(trilema) mike_c: not really. the company accountant screwed up. can't penalize specific shareholders for that
(trilema) mike_c: screws future investors, but they can see that in the report and take it into consideration.
(trilema) mike_c: overpay yourself and kako in the same amount, then carry forward the expense.
(trilema) mike_c: what can you do? mark it under expense and carry forward.
(trilema) mike_c: i was thinking tx fees on sending out refunds
(trilema) mike_c: right
(trilema) mike_c: oh oh
(trilema) mike_c: i feel like i've asked this before, but: bitbet revenue line 'fees from refunds'. how are fees that bitbet paid considered revenue?
(trilema) mike_c: i didn't figure out the algorithm.
(trilema) mike_c: i know, right? no days off around here
(trilema) mike_c: Mats_cd03: you've been april fooled :) try this: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?stopitkako&date=20-02-2014#520188
(trilema) mike_c: buncha pencil pushers
(trilema) mike_c: btcalpha accountants say: mpoe march revenue should be 180.37141356, not 139.62178334
(trilema) mike_c: now do one on bitbet where all the weights flip!
(trilema) mike_c: it is funny though :)
(trilema) mike_c: omg. the log is remapping pathways in my brain. it's making me dyslexic.
(trilema) mike_c: hah. perhaps in another year.
(trilema) mike_c: i think he is just forgetting. this certainly sounds like him :) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=37923;sa=showPosts
(trilema) mike_c: everybody starts a newbie (except ascii)
(trilema) mike_c: it's like shit with a sprinkling of honey. i would bitbet this but it's not definable.
(trilema) mike_c: even that would be better, because at least quora wouldn't have all the shit. but bitcointa.lk does have all the shit too!
(trilema) mike_c: it would be like if quora sent all their posts to yahoo answers.
(trilema) mike_c: 50 people posting exclusively on a forum could draw traffic, but i don't believe it works when the content is forwarded to the competition.
(trilema) mike_c: 50 people posting on bitcointa.lk is not going to kill btctalk.org.
(trilema) mike_c: so someone creates a thread to get herp banned, and that dipshit bans mpoe-pr instead. classic forum.
(trilema) mike_c: lol. awesome response.
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: was that shorthand for "that's what i'm doing with .lk"? i don't think that works, because the high quality content you influence to go to .lk also ends up in their forum. it's not competition.
(trilema) mike_c: you are describing b-a. study guide is the wiki.
(trilema) mike_c: and it can't be on b-a :) bad juju
(trilema) mike_c: if you want to kill bitcointalk, you need to create a new forum. it will fill with retards eventually, but it would solve the second problem.
(trilema) mike_c: you can't have an entrance exam. everybody starts off stupid.
(trilema) mike_c: i think it is admirable to try to provide a path out of there through mpoe-pr, but if they don't want it..
(trilema) mike_c: that cesspool hardly needs killing. it's already a wasteland.
(trilema) mike_c: you are directly supporting bitcointalk by paying someone to create high quality posts there. seems contradictory.
(trilema) mike_c: 1 2 3 4 5
(trilema) mike_c: obfuscation to prevent spying
(trilema) mike_c: log.b-a is doge now
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: same as silicon valley :)
(trilema) mike_c: i am not defending his retarded veiwpoint though. "it's ok because neo&bee ran ads".
(trilema) mike_c: but they have now heard of bitcoin, and next time it will be the second time.
(trilema) mike_c: i don't think they got that far in penetrating the consumer consciousness.
(trilema) mike_c: obviously neo&bee was not supposed to simply be an ad campaign for bitcoin.
(trilema) mike_c: it has some validity. marketing is repetition repetition..
(trilema) mike_c: japan gets first crack at karpeles, that's gotta be worth something.
(trilema) mike_c: well, the biggest debtor in the land is the govt. they aren't going to let things get deflationary.
(trilema) mike_c: kakobrekla: thanks, spam cleansed.
(trilema) mike_c: did you email him?
(trilema) mike_c: apparently
(trilema) mike_c_s: this cost money? https://bitcoinbourse.eu/
(trilema) mike_c: lol kako. i agree.
(trilema) mike_c: Mats_cd03: he hasn't eaten it yet :)
(trilema) mike_c: the potatoes look raw
(trilema) mike_c: benkay: eggs are overcooked. that yolk's gotta run.
(trilema) mike_c: foxconn has more suicides than jpmorgan.
(trilema) mike_c: could be worse. china is worse.
(trilema) mike_c: and there's a fee :)
(trilema) mike_c: even then you can't escape. you have to give up citizenship.
(trilema) mike_c: most of the IRS code is law, but not the btc part. http://docs.law.gwu.edu/facweb/jsiegel/Personal/taxes/code.htm
(trilema) mike_c: you don't know, yet it is a great time to buy.
(trilema) mike_c: just one of many things you are missing is that no one can buy.
(trilema) mike_c: lots of blue-collar jobs give personality tests before hiring
(trilema) mike_c: it's basically a loan.
(trilema) mike_c: he's not maintaining offices. just providing capital to that other company.
(trilema) mike_c: oh right, you explained to him that a business that just needs capital has no competitive advantages.
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, we discussed. read the logs already ;)
(trilema) mike_c: a random 50% pop after this new PO is announced..
(trilema) mike_c: i don't presume that at all. but it's either that, or a complete scam.
(trilema) mike_c: benkay: maybe it's like an acquisition rumor. why not buy all the lower priced shares if you know it's going to be forced to 75.
(trilema) mike_c: inb4
(trilema) mike_c: this terminology. you can only ipo once! that's why they call it "initial"
(trilema) mike_c: referring to new ipo at higher than market price
(trilema) mike_c: not suspended
(trilema) mike_c: pankkake: that is havelock.. see RENT, see NEOBEE, see ..
(trilema) mike_c: decimation: not necessarily a bad deal for the engineers. lot to be said for liking what you work on.
(trilema) mike_c: this is bitcoin, we don't care about wasting electricity.
(trilema) mike_c: well, overlays would be more of a see-through augmentation thing, not a closed off VR experience, no?
(trilema) mike_c: who wants to read in VR anyway?
(trilema) mike_c: ah. don't know whether the rows are staggered. i didn't know there were displays like that.
(trilema) mike_c: well, i assume not square pixels since there's a lens right in front of your eye.
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: new oculus is 960x1080 per eye. that beats svga :)
(trilema) mike_c: velacreations: tab-completion.
(trilema) mike_c: well, i think the service is more for those that can't secure their keys.
(trilema) mike_c: "we’ll use multiple security layers to verify that you have authorized the request. This will initiate a sequence of secure steps to get your requested bitcoins transferred to your wallet within 24 hours."
(trilema) mike_c: it's a sequence of steps. layers.
(trilema) mike_c: he said he wouldn't say.
(trilema) mike_c: no no ascii, they have "layer on layer" of security. it'll be fine.
(trilema) mike_c: xapo will fix all these problems. they bury shit in a mountain.
(trilema) mike_c: well, one way it existed until now is TaT fronted five of the funds. now he's down to zero.
(trilema) mike_c: !b 8
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: facebook has over 1 billion users. chumpatron will never run out of fuel.
(trilema) mike_c: so you are the one who ran away with shares?? (j/k)
(trilema) mike_c: 23:39:35ThickAsThieves:NEOBEE is not changing operators.
(trilema) mike_c: i don't think that's the spirit of the bet, but i don't think it matters.
(trilema) mike_c: i don't think temporarily counts, but it sounds like it will be permanent soon to me.
(trilema) mike_c: 0.13 btc for the taking. http://bitbet.us/bet/762/neobee-orphaned-in-2014/
(trilema) mike_c: hm. Neobee halts trading, TaT is running from it.. guess this is one is diving into the dead pool.
(trilema) mike_c: i get cloudflare errors 75% of the time i try to go to havelock.
(trilema) mike_c: "i"po
(trilema) mike_c: now the ipo is underpriced!
(trilema) mike_c: not like the other day when you posted that md4 challenge and i almost fried my graphics card trying to crack it.
(trilema) mike_c: easy blockchain sniffing.
(trilema) mike_c: BingoBoingo: it was kako.
(trilema) mike_c: vaporware video game must be duke nukem
(trilema) mike_c: don't know, don't think it was lewis
(trilema) mike_c: michael lewis' new book is about hft traders. should be interesting. (lewis=liar's poker, moneyball, the big short)
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: carmack and abrash were the talent & brains behind id software (doom,quake)
(trilema) mike_c: indeed assbot.
(trilema) mike_c: holee shit. michael abrash is joining carmack at oculus. amazing.
(trilema) mike_c: assbot is trying to catch up to mp's line count
(trilema) mike_c: so if it doesn't crumble it causes the car to fly!
(trilema) mike_c: re: not brissant: " provides another layer of deflection and finally causes the Model S to ramp up and over the object if it is essentially incompressible and immovable"
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: three shields, aluminum bar, then titanium shield, then aluminum deflector shield.
(trilema) mike_c: actually less brissant than i thought
(trilema) mike_c: tow hitch: https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*sHsOwbthEUip1d-CRPZcFg.gif
(trilema) mike_c: they ran over an alternator and a tow hitch. but they were brissant.
(trilema) mike_c: ah. my limited language skills at work.
(trilema) mike_c: plus neither I nor google knows what brissant means.
(trilema) mike_c: immovable object, unstoppable force, who knows?
(trilema) mike_c: tl;dr: watch a tesla run over a concrete block: https://d262ilb51hltx0.cloudfront.net/max/800/1*jX6zAXW-xmUgkNDhi891zQ.gif
(trilema) mike_c: no more tesla fires: https://medium.com/p/544f35965a0d
(trilema) mike_c: ok, thanks.
(trilema) mike_c: assume i am not worried about someone raw-reading my hdd. are there other attack vectors?
(trilema) mike_c: true or false: if i type a password into my shell, and then call 'history -c', i am ok?
(trilema) mike_c: but if you use gpgauth and they get hacked, you have an excuse. so it's ok. like when your site goes down because aws goes down, built in excuse. </sarcasm>
(trilema) mike_c: yes, but everybody has hands and feet. not everybody has guns.
(trilema) mike_c: the20year2: again.. seems misleading. is that just for gun owners?
(trilema) mike_c: the20year2: probably not a percentage basis?
(trilema) mike_c: nah, lawyers will get paid and an agreement will be made.
(trilema) mike_c: geez, those furry beasts in the water on trilema are so cute i'm going to puke.
(trilema) mike_c: slow and steady gets you somewhere hopefully
(trilema) mike_c: who knew ascii talked so much?
(trilema) mike_c: aww, not even top 20.
(trilema) mike_c: 400 lines a day, plus trilema. and people think he has sock puppets too. more likely there are 3 people typing as mp :)
(trilema) mike_c: 80 lines a day, not bad benkay.
(trilema) mike_c: i'm oddly fascinated. full list?
(trilema) mike_c: cazalla: it was VanCleef. http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-03-2014#586886
(trilema) mike_c: vague recollection that herbisjustleoids is there, but not sure
(trilema) mike_c: (the fifa one)
(trilema) mike_c: that looks pretty official to me.
(trilema) mike_c: geez, how many futbol bets we got going here :)
(trilema) mike_c: they=australia
(trilema) mike_c: i thought it was that they wouldn't win a game
(trilema) mike_c: espn.com?
(trilema) mike_c: jurov uses bitcoin address signed messages for 2fa
(trilema) mike_c: cool
(trilema) mike_c: good idea kako. maybe put a link on b-a.com?
(trilema) mike_c: seems like a lot of counterparty risk with those partnerships. but you obviously understand the biz more than I
(trilema) mike_c: the20year3: any comment on mp's question about the NC expansion? paraphrasing: you have advantages in ohio (namely the economics and your expertise), and how will those scale to NC?
(trilema) mike_c: topace said it can't, but also that he isn't involved so he doesn't know.
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: well, no strong indications that it is run by scammers. just that they don't understand their relationship with havelock very well..
(trilema) mike_c: ^ heh. "rent shares rose on news that they will soon be forced to be worth 0.0075 btc"
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: https://www.havelockinvestments.com/fund.php?symbol=RENT they buy houses in ohio and rent them out.
(trilema) mike_c: so what, the block of shares is just released at the same time that open market trading continues?
(trilema) mike_c: next "tranche" of RENT shares is going to be sold at 75, but market price is 53.
(trilema) mike_c: so enlighten us, how does a 2nd round ipo at a higher price than the market price work?
(trilema) mike_c: good thing they opened up new TLDs or these cryptoexchanges would have run out of doman names by now.
(trilema) mike_c: i don't think it was bitcoin, it was some altcoin
(trilema) mike_c: if the three 19 year old CSS developers want to open an options exchange..
(trilema) mike_c: sweet, i'm gunna be rich
(trilema) mike_c: please ask the astrology dept what the lucky lotto numbers are for a cancer under such conditions.
(trilema) mike_c: joecool: isn't that bitcointalk?
(trilema) mike_c: have no fear americans, we're on it. "The facility is one of only two such combat dolphin training centers in the world, the other is run by the US Navy in San Diego."
(trilema) mike_c: i don't call running a 1m btc business retired, regardless of motivations.
(trilema) mike_c: who in here is retired?
(trilema) mike_c: what, the tsa is going to repel an armed attack on the airport? please.
(trilema) mike_c: geez. i am an idiot today. ignore that.
(trilema) mike_c: padishah_emperor: he was kidding. they are insolvent.
(trilema) mike_c: er, cryptorush
(trilema) mike_c: oh, derp. he is one of the three amigos from coinrush.
(trilema) mike_c: fyrstikken sounds familiar. what exchange does he run?
(trilema) mike_c: i cooked and disposed of laboratory trash to pay for school. worst smell of my life.
(trilema) mike_c: thanks for rating mp. i have found wot useful even for someone like me with a small graph. you rate people you trust, and then can leech off their ratings.
(trilema) mike_c: ;;calc 4/25.4
(trilema) mike_c: it's not :)
(trilema) mike_c: gribble > google
(trilema) mike_c: hm, gribble doesn't support it anyway
(trilema) mike_c: ;;google 4mm to inches
(trilema) mike_c: that's weak. it does measurements for you. i guess timezones aren't as popular
(trilema) mike_c: hah. gotcha.
(trilema) mike_c: keeping apple alive prevented more DOJ attention at the time.
(trilema) mike_c: the 'dark age' of apple would have been the 'no apple' age if microsoft hadn't given them money to keep them alive.
(trilema) mike_c: ^ i think you are underestimating what it took to build the monolopy.
(trilema) mike_c: microsoft didn't shove a cattle prod up anyone's ass.
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: hence his business acumen.
(trilema) mike_c: nobody does have the power to tell the powerful what to do. mp has stated that some 5 million times.
(trilema) mike_c: how so?
(trilema) mike_c: whaat?
(trilema) mike_c: he justifiably instilled more fear than steve jobs ever did.
(trilema) mike_c: say what you will about "microshit", but bill gates was/is a hell of a businessman.
(trilema) mike_c: lampelina: no rush, just teasing. good luck running it.
(trilema) mike_c: it's good to be lockheed.. best lobbyists in the industry.
(trilema) mike_c: lampelina runs b-a.com now. hopefully she will remove the password requirement soon ;)
(trilema) mike_c: ^ excellent point.
(trilema) mike_c: hey, i was nominated for two webbys just 3 years ago :)
(trilema) mike_c: webby alive and kicking. https://www.webbyawards.com/
(trilema) mike_c: US became boss, what, when USSR dissolved? 20 years so far.
(trilema) mike_c: asciilifeform: indeed. how exactly would they make an effort to collect anyway? impossible.
(trilema) mike_c: i do see your point, but i agree with ascii. it makes no practical difference since the bureaucrats will not recognize said difference.
(trilema) mike_c: it's a zero-asset company :)
(trilema) mike_c: if my employer pays me in stock, i owe taxes. can't hit me in the head with that
(trilema) mike_c: good handicappers at the racetrack know a shitload more than me about horses.
(trilema) mike_c: that is the case for all parimutuel wagering
(trilema) mike_c: the btc one
(trilema) mike_c: that one seems right though
(trilema) mike_c: yeah, right after i said that i second thought it. lot of the big profits comes from unexpected results.
(trilema) mike_c: not bad at all. plus you could surely do better by varying your budget on the bets.
(trilema) mike_c: thx. it is cool to look at some of the big winners for the house. the mtgox closure caused a huge one. 0.07 btc -> 1.36 btc
(trilema) mike_c: thanks MisterE mircea_popescu
(trilema) mike_c: not one of the first 3
(trilema) mike_c: not the same weight
(trilema) mike_c: *generally
(trilema) mike_c: lots of counter-examples to that
(trilema) mike_c: i wish
(trilema) mike_c: hah. nothing wrong with that either :) unless vince mcmahon has some bitcoin
(trilema) mike_c: mircea_popescu: didn't get it..
(trilema) mike_c: oh nvm, stern left Feb. 1
(trilema) mike_c: only for like 2 more months
(trilema) mike_c: BingoBoingo: but no point shaving possible here, just 5:1 odds on the eastern conference. that's a good bet.
(trilema) mike_c: benkay: there's a json feed by tacking ?json on the end of the bet url
(trilema) mike_c: paging BingoBoingo: http://bitbet.us/bet/796/an-eastern-conference-team-will-win-the-nba/ let's get some action!
(trilema) mike_c: always glengarry glen ross
(trilema) mike_c: having your garage burnt down could do that :)
(trilema) mike_c: i'll take the duplex for 27.
(trilema) mike_c: wow, duplex for 27.
(trilema) mike_c: the20year: and congrats on 6. the ipo was helpful then?
(trilema) mike_c: i think you can build source control into an altcoin.
(trilema) mike_c: planning on more purchases?
(trilema) mike_c: so there! :)
(trilema) mike_c: well, mercurial can't do shallow clones.
(trilema) mike_c: nothing. just centralized vs. decentralized git/mercurial.
(trilema) mike_c: probably lots (including me)
(trilema) mike_c: the20year: how's business? any new houses?
(trilema) mike_c: new ATH bitbet
(trilema) mike_c: everybody is going to get in on that proposed NBA finals bet as soon as it's approved.
(trilema) mike_c: i like their faq. question: "How can you have USD strike prices but option prices in BTC?" answer: "Orders can be canceled by their user at any time if they have not yet been matched"
(trilema) mike_c: they aren't even worth laughing at. a couple of front-end engineers built an options exchange.
(trilema) mike_c: i liked hornblower
(trilema) mike_c: hm, hornblower has got to be better than a book crichton wrote after he died
(trilema) mike_c: http://bitbet.us/faq/#140 explains how you can lose money on a bet.
(trilema) mike_c: lurking around, yeah. you can just ask if you have a question.
(trilema) mike_c: don't you know graphs are supposed to go up and to the right!?
(trilema) mike_c: there is a lot of competition already if you are talking about stuff like https://bitcoinwisdom.com/
(trilema) mike_c: sheesh. 21 seconds on cpython, 3.3 secs on pypy