Show Idle (>14 d.) Chans

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cazalla: i thought it was going to be shit but it was a pleasant surprise
ThickAsThieves: Pan's Labyrinth
ThickAsThieves: Battle Royale for more japanese
ThickAsThieves: Attack on Titan for some anime
ozbot: My squash has developed an new defense mechanism - Imgur
nubbins`: ^ oh fuck
nubbins`: the first cube movie was good (though poorly acted). rest of em were pretty meh
ThickAsThieves: i agree, but i'll watch every single one
ThickAsThieves: they can make 10 of em
nubbins`: cube -5: in the beginning
nubbins`: cube 3.14159265358979323846: sphere
nubbins`: i think that last one is a 6, anyway
nubbins`: been a while
ThickAsThieves: there are some great british limite dseries
ThickAsThieves: like The Fades
nubbins`: watching the bletchley circle now
ThickAsThieves: they had HyperCube
nubbins`: that was the one that was all white?
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, have you seen Black Mirror ?
ThickAsThieves: not sure lemme look it up
ThickAsThieves: i havent
ThickAsThieves: i already like it from the promo picture
nubbins`: so silvergoldbull (canadian bullion dealer) now accepts btc, but i can't figure out where they're getting their rates from
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00095478 = 14.99 BTC [+]
MisterE: ohh looks good
MisterE: is this the frozen that doesn't suck?
MisterE: looks like there could be suckage
ThickAsThieves: the cover is a ski lift at night
ThickAsThieves: just keep in mind i like really creepy shit
nubbins`: scary
ThickAsThieves: so if you get nightmares dont listen to me
nubbins`: ever see funny games? the 1997 one?
nubbins`: put it on your list, it's fucked
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15700 @ 0.00095253 = 14.9547 BTC [-]
nubbins`: buddy of mine is a big horror/creepshow buff, threw it on for me once
nubbins`: really intense
ThickAsThieves: i think it all started with creep show for me
nubbins`: they remade it (the original is austrian) but i've only seen the original
ThickAsThieves: the only movies so far that creep me out to turning them off are japanese though
ThickAsThieves: they are fucked up people man
ThickAsThieves: i like when jiggly butt girl is there to greet me at
nubbins`: our women are tired of boys, they want men
nubbins`: the real fuckbook is back
ThickAsThieves: your wife will never find out!
nubbins`: i can only assume people click on them, but i'm not sure why
nubbins`: our site has too many hot women, men join for free
nubbins`: ^ what a problem to have, hey?
nubbins`: "man this sucks, all of our users are young wet hotties. we need some dick up in here"
ThickAsThieves: yet no one is buying the real fuckbook for $1bn
ThickAsThieves: this world...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.003 = 0.15 BTC [-]
nubbins`: TANJ
nubbins`: hm, i wonder
nubbins`: ;;ud tanj
gribble: | TANJ. Expletive. Acronym for "There Ain't No Justice." Used like "damn" Also: tangit, tanjing, and other variations. Accredited to Larry Niven. TANJ! I left the oven ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: TANJ
nubbins`: k, gonna try wall street. wish me wakefulness, it's late
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.003 = 0.3 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Alleged Silk Road Founder's Mother Speaks Out - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6400 @ 0.00095478 = 6.1106 BTC [+]
MisterE: Tales From The Crypt++
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.62303029 = 6.2303 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 271 @ 0.00314258 = 0.8516 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 105 @ 0.0031988 = 0.3359 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.00553475 = 0.1384 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8063 @ 0.00095253 = 7.6802 BTC [-]
ozbot: Dark Arts | The Verge
VanCleef: so Putin opened a new account at Rossiya and his monthly salary to be transferred there instead. lolz obama pwnd
MisterE: Obama is so impotent
MisterE: it's great to see for a change
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00094943 = 5.8865 BTC [-]
ozbot: Gerry Images | F.A.T.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0675 = 0.27 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4800 @ 0.00095059 = 4.5628 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.61549767 = 11.079 BTC [-] {8}
chetty: they should revoke the guys passport
MisterE: no person is worth that much
MisterE: imagine if it was a black woman chetty :p
chetty: well she is in china, also causing much trouble
ozbot: Obama ladies touch down in China amid taxpayer uproar - Washington Times
MisterE: heh you're on it
MisterE: Hmm wonder if Barbarians at the gate is any good
MisterE: ^ Found in Iraq
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00631877 = 0.3159 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 2 @ 0.05974999 = 0.1195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13887 @ 0.00095236 = 13.2254 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7632 @ 0.00095632 = 7.2986 BTC [+]
KRS-One: .bait
KRS-One kicks ozbot.
KRS-One shakes ozbot.
KRS-One reboots ozbot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.11950724 = 0.239 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00095594 = 9.2726 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10500 @ 0.00095632 = 10.0414 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 14 @ 0.0699999 = 0.98 BTC [+] {4}
lnostdal: password needed for the site? ( )
chetty: Inostdal: you should be able to go right to the logs with the topic links
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 105 @ 0.00095594 = 0.1004 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.6451 = 4.5157 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1590 @ 0.00300019 = 4.7703 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21200 @ 0.00094931 = 20.1254 BTC [-] {2}
B007: is everyone asleep
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MG] 1000 @ 0.000154 = 0.154 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.NSA] 1000 @ 0.000156 = 0.156 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.05550002 = 0.222 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.065 = 0.26 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.11950724 = 0.478 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: ya kakobrekla one nao needs pw for ?
mircea_popescu: lnostdal seems to still work
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.0031 = 0.3007 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20350 @ 0.00095148 = 19.3626 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.00631877 = 0.3159 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5450 @ 0.00095622 = 5.2114 BTC [+] {2}
B007: good morning
B007: sleep well?
davout: mircea_popescu: admin//twocansandastring42
cazalla: ;;seen tiberiusiv
gribble: tiberiusiv was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 46 weeks, 0 days, 11 hours, 30 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <tiberiusiv> you cant read english paragraphs
cazalla: ok, so he gave up
ozbot: Google Trends
jurov: cazalla he leveled through tiberiusv up to tiberiusxi
jurov: and then he prolly gave up
jurov: ;;seen tiberiusxi
gribble: I have not seen tiberiusxi.
jurov: ;;seen tiberiusxii
gribble: I have not seen tiberiusxii.
jurov: ;;seen tiberiusv
gribble: I have not seen tiberiusv.
jurov: or i remember badly?
mircea_popescu: davout hm ?
davout: mircea_popescu: "ya kakobrekla one nao needs pw for ?"
mircea_popescu: poor guy
mircea_popescu: one small akismet and that's it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12922 @ 0.00095235 = 12.3063 BTC [-]
B007: seems that price follows interest
mircea_popescu: seems so.
VanCleef: neat -
VanCleef: Is Russia ready to cut up its plastic? After Visa and MasterCard stopped processing some Russian transactions in response to U.S. sanctions, Moscow says it could launch a homegrown payment system that could be ready in as little as six months
blackwhite: morning guys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4500 @ 0.00095235 = 4.2856 BTC [-]
Diablo-D3: VanCleef: putincoin.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.0031 = 0.155 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07098998 = 1.1358 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07007857 = 1.9622 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07 = 1.54 BTC [-]
ozbot: BitBet - S.MG above 2x par on October 1st, 2014
nubbins`: getting juicier
mircea_popescu: $vwap
mpexbot: mircea_popescu: S.MG 1 day: average: 0.000154 high: 0.000154 low: 0.000154 volume: 1050 btc: 0.1617 7 day: average: 0.00011355 high: 0.000154 low: 0.00010001 volume: 8050 btc: 0.9140788 30 day: average: 0.0001282 high: 0.000154 low: 0.00010001 volume: 13282 btc: 1.7026868
mircea_popescu: month's volume is 1.7btc tho. someone could easily manipulate it
jurov: hopefully it will ship before october
mircea_popescu: “Assuming that insight will work with people who are unmotivated to change is a colossal misunderstanding."
jurov: and volume goes up then
Neil: mircea_popescu: MisterE no actually, betting both sides is the way to play. << I think, judging from the public histories on bitbet, that this is very poor advice. It seems that waiting pays; I think bitbet probably needs harsher time decay than linear.
mircea_popescu: Neil seriously ? got any data to support this ?
jurov: Neil, example?
Neil: Which part? One at a time.
jurov: "waiting pays"
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as we're asking the same thing lol, youcan do both at a time
mircea_popescu: poor advice/waiting pays/harsher than linear. pick one.
Neil: I haven't seen a single example of anyone (same output address) betting on bitbet making money. There are numerous examples to the contrary.
Neil: excuse me
Neil: betting both ways
mircea_popescu: this seems completely irrelevant to the discussion
Neil: Well that's 1 out of 2. So 50% sofar
Neil: 50% isn't normally considered irrelevant
mircea_popescu: much akin to saying "i've never seen anyone in a green tshirt depositing more money in the bank than they were taking out"
Neil: OK, evidence to the contrary?
mircea_popescu: evidence to the contrary of an unsupported thesis is not necessary.
Neil: I rest my case.
mircea_popescu: but i'm just saying, "same address" is an irrelevant selection here.
Mats_cd03: the burden of evidence lies on the individual making the claim
chetty: would you use the same address to bet both sides?
Neil: Adn the 8BTC bet at the last minute of the "16% bet" just in the last 24 hrs supports my other claim of "betting at the last minute, under linear decay, pays".
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: that's the gamble. someone with pocket change could swing it either way
mircea_popescu: Neil that's an outlier.
Neil: So I happily await a refutation.
mircea_popescu: obviously in a case where a 3 month bet was resolved in 4 days waiting pays o.O
mircea_popescu: just as long as you don't wait more than 4 days
Neil: mircea_popescu: Are you claiming some fudge for the first 4 days would fix it? You're smarter than that.
mircea_popescu: no lol. i'm claiming that on the basis of picking some outliers you can't make general statements.
mircea_popescu: "footwear should be made to support taller women because you should see this swede i'm dating"
jurov: Neil that exact case would require manual intervention "o difficulty prediction is > 16% ? drop the weight sharply"
Neil: I'll just say that, watching bitbet for a while, as I have, I feel waiting pays. It is my belief that it would benefit from faster decay.
mircea_popescu: ok but it helps if you bolster that authority claim with actual data
jurov: such meddling would be insane
mircea_popescu: "on this set of 100 consecutive bets, the results for X behaviour are .1 and for Y behaviour are .04"
mircea_popescu: that works.
ozbot: BitBet - 1BTC >= $10,000 USD
mircea_popescu: it helps even more if you publish your method along the dataset, then op can apply it to other sets see if behaviour converges
mircea_popescu: and so we're doing research rather than derpage.
Neil: I am willing to bet an insane amount that 1K4Fs will lose on his two-way bet. And big-time.
mircea_popescu: so... bet it ?
Neil: It doesn't really matter how the chips land.
mircea_popescu: derivative bets. ftw.
Neil: mircea_popescu: Don't be daft. One can't take the opposite of his bet.
mircea_popescu: nono, you can make a derivative bet.
nubbins`: The bet resolves as YES if 1K4Fs will lose on his two-way bet
Neil: He paid a 1 BTC gratiuity to bitbet to let later bettors enjoy some free beers.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.068 = 0.136 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 99886*57.00000000/7186081 * 367.70
gribble: 291.327176162
mircea_popescu: unless i'm doing this badly, should the bet come out as yes he's making ~300 btc
Neil: mircea_popescu: A big, and time-dependent, "if".
Neil: Let's wait and see. I'm quite happy to do so.
mircea_popescu: but it reduces to his either winning or losing the bet
mircea_popescu: which... i have no idea what that's supposed to prove ?
chetty: isn't IF what betting is all about?
Neil: I don't think it matters what happens. No way is he winning 100 BTC.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 99886*42.00000000/28156083 * 74.78
gribble: 11.1421021653
Neil: (initial stake)
mircea_popescu: so he's bet 99 btc, is insured for 11 btc (currently) and stands to gain 291 currently.
mircea_popescu: this seems reasonably ok. and if more people gang on yes, his 291 diminishes but his insurance increases
mircea_popescu: suppose there's a 500 btc bet on yes
Neil: Is it Atoi or something similar has done similar both-way bets on bitbet quite a lot? Each one lost, which is to be expected, given my claim that waiting pays.
mircea_popescu: but this is neither here nor there, much like the green shirt in bank thing
mircea_popescu: you can select any arbitrary pair of yes/no bets and pretend they're made by the same person
mircea_popescu: for all you know, this is actually true.
nubbins`: The bet resolves as YES if the man in the bank is wearing a green shirt
Neil: mircea_popescu: Given your stake in the process I don't expect you to agree with me. But I think the facts speak for themselves. If someone believes 2-way betting pays they're welcome to continue doing it.
mircea_popescu: the trouble is that i'm not disagreeing with you, i'm discussing those facts.
mircea_popescu: and it'd seem they're not really that factual.
mircea_popescu: but this aside : why would you figure my stake would *prevent* me from agreeing with the facts ?
Neil: OK. One example to the contrary will suffice. Happy to post 1 example to support my position.
mircea_popescu: seems logically the other way around
VanCleef: erm i thought rockminer was ipoing tomorrow noon china time and they just announce that the ipo is already over and all shares have sold
VanCleef: what a load of bs
mircea_popescu: Neil are you aware that the house wins on some bets ?
Neil: mircea_popescu: But of course. I'm not stupid. The 16% is a good example: the house wins the more people rationally take all that is available "for (near) free".
mircea_popescu: nono you don't take my meaning
mircea_popescu: the house bets BOTH SIDES on ALL BETS
Neil: When everyone scraps over the leftovers the house takes the fee.
mircea_popescu: during some months it comes AHEAD, which means the dual-betting system actually works.
Neil: Yeah that just gets it started, and one is given to the bet originator, so it's not the house really.
mircea_popescu: this is a larger dataset than one example.
mircea_popescu: this hardly weakens my point...
Mats_cd03: i just read the copy on
Neil: 50% doesn't weaken the point? OK.
mircea_popescu: it would win EVEN MORE if it kept both sides.
Mats_cd03: dude can handle running a bidness but cant hire a fluent english speaker
VanCleef: just another scam
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 spam is not misspelled because the spammers can't hire editors. spam is misspelled because that selects for idiots, and they are looking for idiots (false positives are very expensive for them)
Neil: mircea_popescu: I'm still waiting for your counterexample to my claim.
Mats_cd03: or pay attention in english class, apparently
Mats_cd03: you may be right mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i think you'll have to re-read this later because i can't produce examples if you randomly reject examples.
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Neil: I don't have anything against bitbet. I like the site. Just saying it how I see it.
mircea_popescu: well no problem, but what you're saying doesn't actually make sense.
Neil: OK :) Whatever.
asciilifeform: spam is misspelled because that selects for idiots << novel hypothesis. traditional thought holds that it is to evade (or, optionally, throw out of calibration) bayesian filter.
Mats_cd03: can you demonstrate why linear decay is inappropriate, and why exponential (or w.e) decay is appropriate?
mircea_popescu: VanCleef you know we lolled at that shit like five times already, getting stale.
Mats_cd03: besides, you know, your intuition
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that hypothesis was only seriously considered by the baesian cultists.
asciilifeform: (of course, a well-written filter just locks on to characteristic mis-spellings...)
VanCleef: sorry still a bit new to me
VanCleef: i guess its a joke
mircea_popescu: VanCleef jus' grep the log, it's there
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 Neil not that there's anything wrong with intuition, it's how great things start. it still has to be actually checked with data.
nubbins`: asciilifeform: i always questioned why spammers thought I'd consider an email hawking "v1agr4" as a legitimate source for prescription medication
nubbins`: there might be something to this
nubbins`: mouth-breathers of the world, meantime, think "hmm, i could use d1ck p1ll5..."
nubbins`: "i'd love to turn my peanut into a banana" etc
asciilifeform: meanwhile,
ozbot: Four men arrested in One World Trade Center jump stunt -
mircea_popescu: and what's good for people who really believe "make mone yat home by cashing these checks" and "inhearitence!!!" is also good for... "investors"
asciilifeform: anyone remember mathias rust ?
Neil: mircea_popescu: 16tA0 (apologies for remebering wrong above) bets 11 and 8 (19 total) gets less than 14 back. I claim that is typical, and can support with more examples. Can you give me even one example of a two-way bet like this, for similar amounts in size, that was a profit for the bettor?
mircea_popescu: can't say as a ido
mircea_popescu: Neil why, yes, i can. here :
Neil: (i.e. where yes and no bets were simliar in size)
asciilifeform: ;;google mathias rust
gribble: Mathias Rust - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Kremlin Caper: Mathias Rust's Landing on Red Square | People ...: <>; BBC News - Mathias Rust: German teenager who flew to Red Square: <>
mircea_popescu: a) bitbet house bets both sides on all bets, always ; b) in spite of giving away one of the addresses, bitbet house still actually makes bank some months, and overall is just about even ; c) ergo, double betting can be productive.
ozbot: Remembering Mathias Rust's Flight to Red Square | Public Radio International
mircea_popescu: obviously if bitbet house simply kept both addreses it'd actually be ahead by now. which makes it a fine example of how you can make money betting both sides early.
mircea_popescu: an example which is put there deliberately, by design, by me,
mircea_popescu: and an example which people still have difficulty following
mircea_popescu: (not that i mind, i guess, more btc for me)
Neil: A bettor other than bitbet. Bitbet gives one side to the originator of course, so I don't even understand your example. Of course, you may have smart decision makers who decide whether a given proposition is more likely to turn out + or -, but that's beside the point. Real-life non-bibet bettor in size (say > 0.5 BTC each side)? Just one example?
mircea_popescu: well try to understand it.
mircea_popescu: rather than simply discard it.
Neil: I'm trying hard to understand somehting that doesn't exist. Waiting for proof.
mircea_popescu: well ok, this'll have to wait then.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, here's a girly with snow on her tits
asciilifeform: 'Four New York-area men were arrested Monday after a base jumping stunt from atop One World Trade Center in September, police said. James Brady, Kyle Hartwell, Marko Markovich, and Andrew Rossig have been charged with burglary, reckless endangerment and jumping from a structure, according to a statement issued by NYPD Commissioner William Bratton.'
VanCleef: mmmmi'd liek to pee on those tits
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i recall a us that'd have just laughed.
asciilifeform: 1987: 'Eventually, Rust saw Moscow. At first, he wanted to land in the Kremlin. But then he decided to try to land in Red Square, which was full of people... Rust was soon arrested, and convicted of illegally crossing the Soviet Border, and "hooliganism." He was sentenced to four years in prison. The case caused quite a stir in Russia. For a while, Red Square was jokingly referred to as Moscow's "third airport
mircea_popescu: why so serious, soviet ?
mircea_popescu: aha. perrrfect reference then
VanCleef: do you like ethereum mircea or na?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62015 = 1.2403 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: VanCleef i dun see why it'd be useful.
asciilifeform: elsewhere,
ozbot: ClubOrlov: Ukrainians on the verge of a nervous breakdown
asciilifeform: 'ever-amusing Russian Liberal Democrat leader Vladimir Zhirinovsky has proposed dividing up Western Ukraine between Poland, Hungary and Romania. Poland quickly responded that it has no interest in annexing former Eastern Poland. I can't blame them.'
jurov: yes i put that here yest, complete with map
VanCleef: lol nervous breakdown
jurov: yes, the politics around here tends to get divorced from reality
jurov: in slovakia the main topic was protection of traditional family recently, including changing the constitution
jurov: war imminent on our doorstep? dun have time for that
Neil: mircea_popescu: So regarding and our friend 1K4Fs, I'd be happy to bet real BTC that 1K4Fs loses money regardless of outcome. It's extremely likely (>90%) and given an integral of payoff against probability, I think it's clear betting both ways is a losing proposition. Well, to me at least, which is all that matters.
mircea_popescu: Neil so make a bet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 42 @ 0.11950724 = 5.0193 BTC [-]
Neil: mircea_popescu: But it's only you on the other side. What do you suggest?
Neil: Evens?
mircea_popescu: i suggest you make a bitbet, as you describe it, and ima bet a little myself.
mircea_popescu: and whoever else wants to
Neil: A bitbet on a bitbet?
mircea_popescu: hmm jurov you getting pms ?
mircea_popescu: Neil hence my "derivative bets ftw"
mircea_popescu: i dun see the problem with it, seems a legitimate controversy.
jurov: not from you seems
Neil: But I'd want to bet 5 BTC against reasonable odds, and bitbet doesn't offer that. Only you can.
Neil: *silence*
mircea_popescu: o you want fixed odds ?
Neil: Well that depends on what they are. That 1K4Fs makes money right?
mircea_popescu: well yeah
mircea_popescu: but then i'd have to hedge it somehow because clearly it's contingent on how the bet plays out.
Neil: Well you wouldn't be able to hedge it, but it's off-market price.
Neil: Which is my point.
Neil: s/but/because/
mircea_popescu: i'll take even odds on the proposition that 1k4fs makes money *irrespective* of result
mircea_popescu: but that's impossib le to ascertain
mircea_popescu: unless you're happy with a (291 + 11)/2 > 99
Neil: How so? It's easy to ascertain from the final result whether dude made money or not.
mircea_popescu: so just because he went on long odds you're telling me bitbet is broken ? dude wanted the long odds, what can i say
Neil: mircea_popescu: My claim and offer stands. Let's leave it at that. :)
mircea_popescu: but your claim mostly consists of a large "bitcoin wont be over 10k" leg with a tiny "this other thing" leg
mircea_popescu: you can take most of that out on the market as is.
Neil: mircea_popescu: Happy to entertain any other bet, of over 0.5 BTC per side, where someone has bet both ways. I'm not holding my breath, given the performance so far...
Neil: (bet over 0.5 both ways that is)
nubbins`: so, say, betting 10btc on one side and 0.6btc on the other would fit the criteria?
mircea_popescu: why over .5 ?!
Neil: nubbins`: I'd prefer more evenly weighted. The 0.5 was to eliminate trash.
nubbins`: Neil: well, what, equal amounts on both sides? within 10%?
nubbins`: list your conditions!
nubbins`: let's create some specs here
mircea_popescu: trash o.O
mircea_popescu: statistics is always abused ;/
nubbins` rolls a garbage can around -assets collecting amounts < 0.5
nubbins`: free this time, next pick-up you gotta pay
Neil: Where the minimum is 0.5 and where larger size is no more than double smaller size, with > 1 month to go sounds OK, but would like a concrete example before finally comitting
Neil: I think my point stands though - anyone who has bet 2-ways for "decent" size has lost. I have several examples and haven't seen a single counterexample.
Neil: The dude betting 100 BTC both ways on some coin toss was a great specimen of how not to make money on bitbet.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 43 @ 0.05338906 = 2.2957 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: that we readily agree. coin toss and weight doesn't mix
mircea_popescu: should have not put weight on that bet.
Neil: mircea_popescu: Though I think he actually got some contra bets late in the game, which meant he came out near break-even, by luck of said coin toss!
mircea_popescu: i suppose in a way it was a gamble, guy risked 2 btc on the theory "bitbet bettors are idiots"
mircea_popescu: he got to pay the house 2 btc for this presumption
mircea_popescu: as he should. all is well.
Neil: Not so smart. I wouldn't bet that.
mircea_popescu: all the other smarter-than-life players ended up in the same bin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4700 @ 0.00095177 = 4.4733 BTC [-]
Neil: But I'd also support anyone's right to bet that...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 19 @ 0.11950724 = 2.2706 BTC [-]
Neil: "You" talk about the dynamic of bitbet settling to reasonable odds, but a counterpoint is the example fo the recent 200 BTC bet on the 10k USD bet.
mircea_popescu: why is that a counterpoint ?
Neil: The outcome odds before and after are massively different. But both stuck.
Neil: (i.e. no new bets have come in to counterbalance). I don't believe the "market" odds moved that much overnight. Friction is high.
mircea_popescu: well ok you don't believe
mircea_popescu: but i mean what's in a belief
Neil: The Berkshire bet is another example, I think. The odds are higher that 3% (perhaps 15%) but friction prevents realization.
Neil: than
mircea_popescu: what friction is that ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is frictionless.
Neil: Friction of trusting a dude with the initials MP, friction of knowing the bet exists and the odds, friction of knowing the odds can change underneath you, friction of tying your money up for 1 year, ... I could go on.
mircea_popescu: you could, but i'd shrug
Neil: Friction of getting into "frictionless" bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: this is like telling me friction prevents wallstreet from pricing gold, because fucktards in namibia have no ws access
mircea_popescu: who in carnation cares.
Neil: Then please explain how 200 BTC come in, and nothing else happens.
mircea_popescu: what am i, god ?
mircea_popescu: i have no idea.
mircea_popescu: but i can't dispute the facts on the basis of my own opinion either.
Neil: Clearly the market is thin. No, I have no idea either, but clearly there are limits in our fun little world. Which is good :)
mircea_popescu: so were the implied odds wrong before or are the implied odds wrong now ?
Neil: Both, clearly.
mircea_popescu: if anything, the fascinating thing with that 200 is that it didn't land on the no side of berkshire
Neil: But bid-offer is too high.
mircea_popescu: which... you'd think that's a massive attractor
Neil: Apparently not.
mircea_popescu: so then... what, the guy with 200 didn't know about berkshire ?
Neil: mircea_popescu: So, somehting I've wondered. Do the "bitbet" terms at MPEX prevent bitbet branching out into other revenue streams?
mircea_popescu: or couldn't trust mp or couldn't lock his btc up for months ?
mircea_popescu: Neil specifically ?
Neil: Suppose bitbet decided to do fixed odds betting (taking on risk on the house). Is that "within the spec"?
mircea_popescu: can't do that as a zero asset corp.
Neil: So you're saying no?
mircea_popescu: the correct way for this to work would be for someone (respected and competent as a bookie) to start a fund
mircea_popescu: and do his bitbet bets and report revenue
Neil: Sure. I respect you believe that.
mircea_popescu: basically the business of the bookie equals the actual bookie.
Neil: But as a random Joe sixpack reading the specs, and not knowing who you are etc., it's not really clear how bitbet can evolve, indeed even if it can.
mircea_popescu: s one of those, like plastic surgery or massage
Neil: Which isn't to imply it doesn't have a great future.
mircea_popescu: well evolution and morphing aren't the same thing.
mircea_popescu: people keep changing things randomly because of this unwarranted and unwelcome expectation that "new and therefore better"
mircea_popescu: irl doens't work that way.
Neil: So as a prospective investor, given the terms, I'm thinking "Where can this go, how can it expand?" And it seems limited. Which may not be a bad thing.
mircea_popescu: expansion in that sense is not useful for an investor.
Neil: Walking down a one-way street isn't useful either.
Neil: Not saying it is.
Neil: Just saying "where's the flexibility"?
mircea_popescu: nothing forces you into a 100% bitbet portofolio.
Neil: Of course.
mircea_popescu: but consider this : suppose tomorrow some great[ly idiotic] new manager takes over from me, and decides to expand bitbet by buying wynn hotels.
mircea_popescu: the forums will be extremely excited at this development.
mircea_popescu: this obviously will force a modification o the contract, making bitbet a nz0 now.
mircea_popescu: this also means the share will go up, say 100x
mircea_popescu: and it finally means that about 70% of that value is actual assets.
Neil: Trying to understand what's "in-scope" and what isn't. I personally don't think it's clear. I respect your desire to run a clean, auditable (via blockchain) operation. But the future isn't clear at all, to me anyway.
mircea_popescu: then two years later wynn hotels hit a slow patch, get sold for scrap
mircea_popescu: investor has gone from this position where he realises gains each month
mircea_popescu: to this position where he jsut lost a good 90% of his value
Neil: Sure, no argument at all.
mircea_popescu: so what's in scope is running the court system of bitcoin
Neil: I'm not disputing the setup, I actually like it.
davout: mircea_popescu: how would bb buy anything in the first place ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37900 @ 0.00095177 = 36.0721 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00012798 = 0.6399 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: what isn't in scope is anything else.
Neil: I want to understand better what can happen.
mircea_popescu: davout hypotetical hypoteticals are hypopotami
davout: mircea_popescu: doesn't your argument boil down to : "assets are risky because they can depreciate" ?
mircea_popescu: the argument boils down to "fully distributed, non-asset hodling btc corps are a better risk class"
mircea_popescu: which they are.
jayk: oh
mircea_popescu: not saying asset-holding is bad for all time or anything, but it is riskier.
davout: tbh that sounds more like your opinion than an argument
mircea_popescu: well ok.
mircea_popescu: which part, the different risk class part or the sorting of the classes part ?
davout: your evaluation of the relative risk
mircea_popescu: yeah that part is my opinion.
ozbot: 18-month sentence for inmate involved in HMP riot - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: "In the end, the rioters traded the sole hostage in exchange for two cigarettes before surrendering to police."
davout: imho ZA corps are quite vulnerable to issues related to management since basically the management *is* the company
mircea_popescu: davout which makes the bad actors quickly visible
davout: there's also the bus factor
nubbins`: they have buses in romania?!
mircea_popescu: asset-based corps dampen management incompetence, allowing outright thieves to run for a longer time than the yshou;d
mircea_popescu: bitcointalk is full of examples.
davout: but i do agree that the improvement of natural selection is a good thing
davout: i agree with that
mircea_popescu: davout from what i recall, some random idiot opining was claiming that getting the average bitcoin exchange at the safety rate of the average human would be a great gain in security.
novusordo: i'm having trouble with coming up with any good examples of non-asset holding corps preceding bitcoin
asciilifeform: safety rate of the average human << ?
mircea_popescu: supported by evidence this strange view oif his, seeing how bitcoin exchanges have the life expectancy of trisomic neonates
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah something based on how likely it is for the avg 20yo to bite it
mircea_popescu: somehow not mentioning micromorts or anything
mircea_popescu: because you know, little train engines that can, these people.
asciilifeform: i suppose it also matters what is meant by death. i.e. many fiat corps would become fiat corpses, and rather indistinguishable from gox, if disconnected from usg printer.
mircea_popescu: that part wasn't covered.
mircea_popescu: novusordo yeah, i believe this is a mpex innovation.
davout: mircea_popescu: who was arguing that ?
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nubbins`: GOOD TO KNOW
mircea_popescu: eh we discussed here a little bit back lemme see
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07299999 = 0.365 BTC [+] {3}
Mats_cd03: lol nubbins` blotter?
nubbins`: nod :D
nubbins`: unsoaked, natch
Mats_cd03: after you lay it, get close and take a deep breath
Mats_cd03: is the cats meow
mircea_popescu: davout well i can't find it now. some kid from the "community" of self-proclaimed experts wrote some sort of article/"white paper" on how bitcoin exchanges should do x y z to get their risk of blowing up in line with the risk of the average 20yo getting hit by a bus
davout: sounds interdasting
mircea_popescu: smarter people than me halping.
davout: mircea_popescu: thank you kind sir
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3500 @ 0.00095177 = 3.3312 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: that paste doesnt exist anymore
davout: aw the paste is gone
mircea_popescu: talktotat.
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: would actually be a neat business to get into, supplying blotter paper
mircea_popescu: it was stupid anyway
nubbins`: a tough nut to crack tho, for sure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21218 @ 0.00095315 = 20.2239 BTC [+] {4}
davout: didn't know gox hosted some pastie-clone as well
mircea_popescu: nubbins` isn't it traditionally reserved for the girlfriend of the chemist making the dope ?
Mats_cd03: as i understand it, the best market are the sr clones
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: as it happens, the best i've tried has been white-on-white (no design at all)
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: i haven't been keeping track of the clones at all
nubbins`: my eyes
ThickAsThieves: you now have the visually transmitted virus
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: for that matter, i don't think the chemist generally lays the blotter at all
Mats_cd03: me neither, although it makes sense - its not actually illegal in a lot of jurisdictions (the paper, anyway)
nubbins`: simply produces vials of liquid
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: plenty of blotter art on ebay, even
mircea_popescu: s/chemist/whoever lays
nubbins`: lots of alex grey and r. crumb
nubbins`: crumb's artwork is cool, burns me out
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07299999 = 0.292 BTC [+]
ozbot: Robert Crumb’s History of Women « TheArtofAttraxion X Because your body is a canvas.
mircea_popescu: ;;google a crumb of frisco
gribble: Crumb N Get It Cookie Factory - Frisco, Texas - Bakery | Facebook: <>; 12 State Farm Agents in Frisco, Texas: <>; Agents in Frisco, CO - State Farm Insurance: <>
mircea_popescu: darn son.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 19 @ 0.05278955 = 1.003 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: too much chemtrails
mircea_popescu: i believe the guy never saw a russ meyer film.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.068 = 0.204 BTC [+]
nubbins`: "R. Crumb's ideal woman: the 'true amazon'"
mircea_popescu: lmao at all this "genetically superior both physically and mentally"
mircea_popescu: then you're regaled something from the roadside freakshwo cca 1905
mircea_popescu: srsly nao, caliban is never smart. ever.
mircea_popescu: caliban is subhuman.
Mats_cd03: hahaha
nubbins`: crumb is fucked
nubbins`: he's published books full of shit like this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.62006666 = 3.7204 BTC [-] {2}
jurov saves the crumbs woman to later delight of his lesbian friends
jurov: they know how to appreciate true womanhood
nubbins`: crumb took a lotta flak over the years
mircea_popescu: aren't they a little... porky ?
mircea_popescu: i like big women too, but these seem big in all the wrong ways in all the wrong places.
nubbins`: he likes Women
nubbins`: capital-W
nubbins`: birthing hips etc
nubbins`: you'll find a lot of crumb fans do as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46600 @ 0.00095528 = 44.516 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: it means you'd make a good sniper
mircea_popescu: nubbins` gotta have that narrow waist etc.
mircea_popescu: all these folks looking for a mom.
nubbins`: gazing upward with hope and joy in their eyes
nubbins`: o, to die beneath her fists!
asciilifeform: 'don't run from sniper, you'll only die tired' (american folk saying)
rithm: i'm just glad my computer works today
rithm: 3rd one this year
rithm: bitcoin be killin those encrypted ~ partitions
novusordo: so apparently the trezor has a better recovery system than I thought
novusordo: if you take a factory-fresh trezor and you have a bip32 wallet you'd like to put on it
novusordo: it prompts you to enter the words from the bip32 phrase out of order
novusordo: and also prompts to enter random words between the actual ones
asciilifeform: novusordo: what prompts? last i saw, 'trezor' had no keyboard
novusordo: the screen will say something like "enter word 1"
asciilifeform: enter using what?
novusordo: keyboard
novusordo: on the host computer
novusordo: hence why such a recovery system is needed
asciilifeform: novusordo: what does trezor look like to host machine? tty ?
novusordo: not sure, haven't gotten mine to play with yet
MisterE: wow that sparked quite the debate about bitbet
MisterE: Bitbet about outcome of 1K4Fs bitbet!
MisterE: Or make it for 2/3 bets where a bettor is betting both sides.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00303 = 0.1454 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: Betting boths sides is a way to adjust exposure? How is that controversial?
thestringpuller: adjust exposure before time-weight effects...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07125005 = 0.1425 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 38 @ 0.00298 = 0.1132 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00095373 = 9.728 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i dunno.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7950 @ 0.00095355 = 7.5807 BTC [-]
ozbot: My wife was raped my four men. I can't live or be with her with that on my mind. I have to leave her
mircea_popescu: yahoo's pretty good for trollage apparently
ozbot: What A Bank Run In China Looks Like: Hundreds Rush To Banks Following Solvency Rumors | Zero Hedge
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 50 @ 0.00305 = 0.1525 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088874 = 0.1777 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05436663 = 0.1631 BTC [-] {3}
ozbot: Scenes From A Multiverse » The Crystalline Entity
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.19917759 BTC to 4`379 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.05223833 = 0.4701 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 50.50848075 BTC to 4`379 shares, 1153425 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.05182727 = 0.5701 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.05717695 = 0.5146 BTC [-] {7}
blackwhite_: whats a good primer on currency/money? Any book recomendations
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0675 = 0.6075 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62988799 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: what has the government done with our money
thestringpuller: murray rothbard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0529 = 0.1587 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: perhaps the least understood topic under the sun
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07100021 = 0.213 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.07054545 = 1.552 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 25 @ 0.0056283 = 0.1407 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.0645 = 0.5805 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 20 @ 0.0056283 = 0.1126 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.10144642 = 3.0434 BTC [-]
benkay: kakobrekla, mircea_popescu: where's the bitbet api again?
mike_c: benkay: there's a json feed by tacking ?json on the end of the bet url
kakobrekla: or without xyz as well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 12 @ 0.05068334 = 0.6082 BTC [-] {6}
mircea_popescu: better w/o the xyz
the20year3: man these banks are idiots
the20year3: Put an offer on a house about 3-4 weeks ago, telling them we could close in a week
mike_c: BingoBoingo: but no point shaving possible here, just 5:1 odds on the eastern conference. that's a good bet.
the20year3: Got a email back the 13th from the bank saying "We are ready to close" , the contract's closing date was the 24th as requested by the bank. 24th has come and gone and still no closing
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I Mr. Stern still the commissioner?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
mike_c: only for like 2 more months
mike_c: oh nvm, stern left Feb. 1
mircea_popescu: mike_c pm
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0501 = 0.1503 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.06 = 0.18 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-]
mike_c: mircea_popescu: didn't get it..
BingoBoingo: I'm still iffy on the whole NBA thing. Might as well open a bet on who wins the whole Wrestlemania thing.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0496 = 0.1984 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.06 = 0.24 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 9 @ 0.10144642 = 0.913 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: hah. nothing wrong with that either :) unless vince mcmahon has some bitcoin
benkay: kakobrekla: is there a convenient way to get a list of all resolved bets besides scrolling down the search page?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.05649999 = 0.8475 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.05 = 0.35 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: Still doesn't fit with risk profiles I find betable. You never know who has Bitcoin.
kakobrekla: closed bets rss fee perhaps?
kakobrekla: sorry, the resolved rss feed
benkay: resolved rss only returns a few recently resolved bet
benkay: bets*
kakobrekla: theres no 'closed' feed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.10144642 = 1.0145 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05253333 = 0.3152 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
benkay: and i'm not seeing any pagination handles in the 'resolved' rss
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.07 = 0.56 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: i guess we need some ?json on /browse/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4383 @ 0.00012319 = 0.5399 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1137 @ 0.00012324 = 0.1401 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07 = 0.35 BTC [-]
benkay: well
benkay: "need"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07 = 0.14 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: perhaps the easiest way is to just loop through the ids going from 1 to whatever
kakobrekla: and you will get them all
kakobrekla: the status of the bet is in json
benkay: now that's usin the noggin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 45 @ 0.10144642 = 4.5651 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22029 @ 0.00095125 = 20.9551 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07 = 0.42 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3161 @ 0.00095048 = 3.0045 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0486 = 0.243 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0499 = 0.2495 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0503996 = 0.1512 BTC [+] {3}
the20year3: aaaah , buyer package is here
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00094983 = 14.2949 BTC [-] {2}
pankkake: I am transferring my data from old to new drives, and I started a checksum verification of the tranferred files, for fun. turns out, a lot weren't transferred correctly
mircea_popescu: aaand trilema, teh rift guild just went over 1k members
pankkake: I suppose I should blame the hardware… though both are raid6
asciilifeform: pankkake: helps to remember that there is really no such thing as a digital circuit
mircea_popescu: maybe diff checksm implementations ?
asciilifeform: analogue 'expellas furca, tamen usque revenit' !
pankkake: no, it's the same machine, with 12 drives wired. the setup is clearly ghetto (especially the pci-e extenders to reach the drives outside…)
asciilifeform: protocol is promise. helps to sometimes ensure promise is being kept.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 28 @ 0.07021334 = 1.966 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: speaking of.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 21 @ 0.07000004 = 1.47 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: personally seen several atms with 'bsod'
pankkake: many atms or other kiosk stuff stuck on the "daylight savings" message
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07 = 1.4 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14900 @ 0.00094952 = 14.1478 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399997 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12128 @ 0.00094896 = 11.509 BTC [-] {3}
ThickAsThieves: is there a block visualizer website?
mircea_popescu: what's that ?
ThickAsThieves: something to see how addresses/txs are connected
jurov: blockr has it
jurov: in transaction detail
ThickAsThieves: hmm i dont see "detail" anywhere
nubbins`: mircea_popescu is there a way to exchange btc for whatever the fuck rift uses for currency?
nubbins`: simiar to eve/1btc
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9141 @ 0.0009457 = 8.6446 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: you give me the btc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05399999 = 0.108 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: also in the news, i took about a week off because of all the press nuttery, during which i stopped buying raw materials
mircea_popescu: now i look at the market, prices fell an average of 40% across all product classes.
mircea_popescu: so i bought like a piggy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 127 @ 0.00629561 = 0.7995 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: i guess im one of the major market foreces there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.0543748 = 0.435 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.0486 = 0.1944 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05499999 = 0.22 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16889 @ 0.00094986 = 16.0422 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.055 = 0.385 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04810005 = 0.1924 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62988979 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.052 = 0.104 BTC [-]
ozbot: Betting BitBet Both Ways - Btc Alpha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.052 = 0.312 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: mike_c the correct selection for house bets is to take the first three bets of any wager, and exclude one of them
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mike_c: i wish
mircea_popescu: mike_c the one you exclude a) always has the same output as one of the remainder two and is either made at weight 100k
mike_c: lots of counter-examples to that
MisterE: nice mike_c @
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11463 @ 0.00095392 = 10.9348 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: or else at lower weight than the other two
mircea_popescu: but the two you keep always have the exact same weight
mircea_popescu: usually in the 99,995+-2 range
mike_c: *generally
mircea_popescu: now give me a counterexample to that.
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nubbins`: guy does a portrait of Ellen in a seal pelt
mircea_popescu: mike_c take first 3, exclude 3rd. whay problem ?
mike_c: not the same weight
mircea_popescu: 1. take first 3 bets. 2. exclude one. 2.1 either the 1st, if it has the same exit addy as one of the other 2, and the two have same weight, or else the 3rd.
mircea_popescu: 99`9xx weight = same weight in this sense anyway.
mircea_popescu: ha! the house clears 10% ? i had it pegged at about 8%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5750 @ 0.00095177 = 5.4727 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: mike_c the point about "it dun really matter so much to correctly identify the house" stands too, for the angle discussed in chat.
mircea_popescu: and nice article. somebody should dump it on reddit.
MisterE: yea good work
El3k0n: Hi guys
mircea_popescu: also Neil ^
ozbot: BitBet - BTC/USD at MtGox will stay ABOVE 14.88$ and BELOW 21.46$
mike_c: not one of the first 3
mike_c: thanks MisterE mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Spectacular write up
mircea_popescu: holy shit you're right.
mircea_popescu: a well, i tried.
mircea_popescu: blame the blockchainz.
benkay: wd mike_c
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.0009566 = 24.5846 BTC [+] {3}
mike_c: thx. it is cool to look at some of the big winners for the house. the mtgox closure caused a huge one. 0.07 btc -> 1.36 btc
benkay: lol sponsorized
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 1324 / 2 * .1
gribble: 66.2
mircea_popescu: yeah hehe
mircea_popescu: spikes on the graph
mircea_popescu: so 66.2 theoretical, 66.16 practical.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 0.04 / 66.2
gribble: 0.000604229607251
mircea_popescu: 99.94% i say!
wao-ender: you seems kinda nostalgic here
wao-ender: #firstbets
mircea_popescu: anyway, 5.x btc profit on a 70ish btc budget as a handicapper is really not that bad.
mircea_popescu: this is a living, split x btc on each bet, early.
mike_c: not bad at all. plus you could surely do better by varying your budget on the bets.
mircea_popescu: perhaps in the sense of varying it 0 - x, binary like
mike_c: yeah, right after i said that i second thought it. lot of the big profits comes from unexpected results.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.05 = 0.15 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: generally speaking mechanical, constraint betting results in better ev than "feelers".
mircea_popescu: something like "x on winner, half x on loser for all bets" or w/e other strategy
mircea_popescu: people could actually write bots for this.
mircea_popescu: ie, here's a very simple way to have fun as a bright young programmer :
mircea_popescu: write a google search application that finds answers to bets based on queries derived from bet text,
wao-ender: trilema^post^request
mircea_popescu: see if you win.
mircea_popescu: wao-ender yeah i guess so.
asciilifeform: s.bitbot
wao-ender: we are having this weekend bithack at our hackerspace, wondering if people would like make some betbot
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform could even have tournaments. who makes the most out of 100 btc or w/e
mircea_popescu: wao-ender this is going to take a year rather than a weekend.
mircea_popescu: it's a fucking hard problem.
wao-ender: lot of math and analyzing of external inputs
wao-ender: but yeah, I can imagine, it could work.
wao-ender: like betting what weather would be tomorrow.
thestringpuller: wao-ender: so you're going to create an AI bot?
thestringpuller: how will you determine conditions?
thestringpuller: or know if propositions are objective? etc. etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: who needs tournament. the coin would suffice - 'Быть всегда впереди - вот награда твоя!' ('to be always ahead - this shall be your reward!' from well-known sov. song)
ozbot: IRS declares that bitcoin will be taxed as property — Tech News and Analysis
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199779 = 0.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28450 @ 0.00095821 = 27.2611 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly :)
ThickAsThieves: If a taxpayer receives a payment in virtual currency, is it considered income?
ThickAsThieves: Yes, the fair-market value of the currency (in U.S. dollars) on the date the payment was received is considered to be income. For more information on exchange rates, see the notice.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 887 @ 0.0029547 = 2.6208 BTC [-] {13}
novusordo: took them that long to come up with this?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.00284176 = 2.8418 BTC [-] {21}
novusordo: not surprised but come on
ThickAsThieves: it doesnt really say how to determine an exchange rate other than to be consistent
asciilifeform: ianal, but nothing shocking here - usg is treating btc the same as gold, cement, bags of xxxxx good
asciilifeform: if you pay in cement, that's traditionally taxable, etc.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07199779 = 0.144 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.072 = 3.24 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: What determines receiving BTC as payment?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the difference between cement and btc is that i can hit you over the head with the cement.
thestringpuller: If you receive BTC as a gift doesn't a different tax apply?
mircea_popescu: seems to me the only sane treatment of btc is as any other intangible, taxable only upon realisation.
mircea_popescu: i dunno who'd live in a jurisdiction that takes any other tack to the problem, or why.
novusordo: btc dividends?
mircea_popescu: novusordo that's not realisation. when you sell it, you report the income.
novusordo: that's how i've understood it
ThickAsThieves: so if i trade you intellectual proprty for bitcoins, a black hole forms?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.07000009 = 6.02 BTC [-] {4}
ThickAsThieves: how does one discern a reasonable trade value from an unreasonable one?
El3k0n: ThickAsThieves The world financial system implodes
mircea_popescu: ello El3k0n
mircea_popescu: who might you be ?
El3k0n: Yes
ThickAsThieves: he makes random numbers too
ThickAsThieves: sick him asciilifeform!
pankkake: that's a horrible random generator
El3k0n: It's a fork
El3k0n: I didn't made that
ozbot: Twitter / APStylebook: AP Style tip: Bitcoin is a ...
BingoBoingo: Related to an earlier discussion
ThickAsThieves: makes sense
nubbins`: can't trust AP style tips anymore
nubbins`: they now allow "over" as a synonym of "more than"
nubbins` shakes head
mike_c: that one seems right though
mike_c: the btc one
BingoBoingo: It's what I've been trying to do.
pankkake: nubbins`: why isn't "over" the same as "more than"?
pankkake: I didn't know the AP style guide existed, I've been meaning to read the Economist one
nubbins`: pankkake, it's just not proper english :D
nubbins`: colloquially, it's used the same way
pankkake: yes but WHY :(
nubbins`: well, y'know why is anything the way it is?
nubbins`: why is the table a table?
nubbins`: anyway gotta run, :D
ozbot: Microsoft releases source code for MS-DOS and Word | Ars Technica
benkay: plantive whine: "look, we do open source!"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15016 @ 0.00095355 = 14.3185 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: Microsoft releases source code << carefully calculated insult to the public - dos 1.1
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And Word 1.1
asciilifeform: plenty of industrial systems, etc. still run on dos 5 and later - but, fortunately, the source (largely asm) was leaked years ago.
pankkake: there's always FreeDOS
asciilifeform: freedos, last i checked, wasn't 'bug for bug compatible' with msdos.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.048175 = 0.1927 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.0545 = 0.218 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0476005 = 0.238 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: i do hope that you don't think me to be some sort of rng hero
asciilifeform: everything there is to know about rng is 1950s state of the art.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0471 = 0.1413 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.07 = 1.75 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: well more that i respect you have better ability to discern proper rng, crypto, etc than i
Duffer1: ciphertrade goes live on friday
Duffer1: they have yet to figure out who gets what percentage...
ozbot: How to have fun as an intelligent person pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: wao-ender ^
mircea_popescu: tho perhaps not exactly what you had in mind.
Duffer1: that's right, apparently without a contract, multiple people pooled resources to create CipherTrade and didn't figure out who will own what
Duffer1: this will end well i'm sure
wao-ender: mircea_popescu: let me read it
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 as someone said, "not even worth laughing at"
mircea_popescu: course, i think they were talking of something else. inasmuch as there can be "something else" in the swamp.
Duffer1: it must be something else cause to me this is hilarious
wao-ender: well, great reading.
wao-ender: I suggest it as milion dollar idea w/o one dollar, that one dollar you already have in your pocket
mircea_popescu: also requires a head.
wao-ender: not in package.
wao-ender: right
mircea_popescu: but because bitcoin allows such fine payments, you're right, you can do this on a cup of coffee
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0551 = 0.2755 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: that's one of the best trilema articles I've read
thestringpuller: totally worth a trilema coin
asciilifeform: perhaps i'm thick, but it still seems to me like the biggest winners on bitbet ought to be folks sitting on the right side of an information asymmetry.
mike_c: that is the case for all parimutuel wagering
asciilifeform: e.g. the ones who 'know', with a good degree of confidence, that difficulty will drop on day x, because they can personally pull the plug on a chinese minerfarm - etc
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform hence the "mine google" approach
mike_c: good handicappers at the racetrack know a shitload more than me about horses.
mircea_popescu: no see, because you confuse information and action here.
asciilifeform: 'mine google' gives a little asymmetry - 'pull plug' - more.
mircea_popescu: that's not information.
mircea_popescu: you are comparing unlike things.
mircea_popescu: in general action (pull plug) is caught in a web of actions
blackwhite: so regarding the bitcoin as property. What does that mean if I get bitcoin for the work I am doing?
mircea_popescu: and information in a web of information
blackwhite: i.e. with me design work
asciilifeform: this is a little like 'moldbug's chessboard' - fight between move-select-via-reddit vs. an actual grandmaster
mircea_popescu: it's unlikely you'll be able to breach the former in order to benefit the latter
mircea_popescu: (trivially, your curiosity as to what's inside a watch isn't worth the pirce of a watch)
asciilifeform: if 'watch' is a west german tank engine, and i'm 'gru', then it is worth 100x the price, no?
mircea_popescu: perhaps.
mircea_popescu: except the price in that edge case is infinity.
ThickAsThieves: the word "generally" appears 8 times in the IRS release
asciilifeform: eh, it was never infinity. not even close to $maxint.
mircea_popescu: so it was prepared by one Gene Rally, esq.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you
mircea_popescu: 're thinking theft.
mircea_popescu: think free market.
asciilifeform: actually gru usually bought on the free market
ThickAsThieves: plus 5 generals
asciilifeform: the -really- free market
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no, they did not. see, it wasn't a free market, but at the other end of things
asciilifeform: western tech co. wants to sell, forbidden by own government
mircea_popescu: (ie, in a free market neither the gru nor the nazis could have existed)
asciilifeform: polite gentleman offers 100x the usual price
mircea_popescu: so in general arguing "in this inefficient case the inefficiency could be used like so"
mircea_popescu: misses the point that you'd have to construct that inefficiency first, which precludes the use economically.
asciilifeform: i was thinking of a far more mundane aspect, where the best source of info re: the outcome of, say, athletic match, isn't 1000 googles, but the boxer who can decide to 'throw' the match
mircea_popescu: sure, but that's an entire different story than what we're doing here.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like saying "i have no need to use computers because i already know what 2+2 comes to"
asciilifeform: i was assuming that the proposal is about bitbet as it currently exists - where bests in the style of 'boxing match' are heavily represented
mircea_popescu: more like a general case.
mircea_popescu: moreover, the whole thing is begging the question. "how do you make money if you know how to make money already ?" "in the manner you know".
mircea_popescu: as opposed to, "how do i make money ?" "like this"
asciilifeform: this reminds me of an idea that i (and probably everybody) had at one point - a betting engine with auto-resolution using google (or some other mechanical process)
mircea_popescu: that's a much harder problem.
mircea_popescu: have a slut instead.
mircea_popescu: electric tape ftw.
asciilifeform: if it existed, it would gravitationally move the planet's spammers and 'seo' scum the way the moon moves the ocean.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00095617 = 12.6214 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: Bitcoin Is Property Not Currency in Tax System, IRS Says - Bloomberg
blackwhite: in danish
blackwhite: Denmark i mean
blackwhite: IRS just ruled that its not taxable
blackwhite: (the article is in Danish)
asciilifeform: blackwhite: no such thing. the decree sums to 'as taxable as cement'
blackwhite: IRS in Denmark (called Skat)
asciilifeform: ;;google Wickard v. Filburn
gribble: Wickard v. Filburn - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Wickard v. Filburn | The Oyez Project at IIT Chicago-Kent College of ...: <>; Wickard v. Filburn – Case Brief Summary - Lawnix: <>
asciilifeform: required reading to understand how u.s. totalitarian system got its beginning
blackwhite: not sure I understand
blackwhite: The IRS in the US ruled it's property
blackwhite: the IRS in Denmark ruled it's not taxable
asciilifeform: aha denmark
asciilifeform: intro for noobs. in the u.s., the central government was once traditionally limited to regulating 'interstate commerce'
asciilifeform: then, there was a court case, where they ruled that, in essence, a fart is 'interstate commerce'
asciilifeform: because you could have bottled and sold the fart
asciilifeform: and hence it would have affected the price of bottled farts interstate markets
asciilifeform: (anyone who thinks that this is an exaggeration, look up the case)
asciilifeform: the losing side (a farmer) was required to burn his crop.
asciilifeform: because not burning it could affect the market price.
ThickAsThieves: The Court decided that Filburn's wheat growing activities reduced the amount of wheat he would buy for chicken feed on the open market, and because wheat was traded nationally, Filburn's production of more wheat than he was allotted was affecting interstate commerce. Thus, Filburn's production could be regulated by the federal government.
asciilifeform: tldr - government report excusing the execution of a famous suspect, claims that he reached for... a sword.
asciilifeform: (extrajudicial execution, naturally)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 16 @ 0.10144642 = 1.6231 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: from the loltron:
ozbot: CyberGuerrilla soApboX » Ukrainian leakage once again.
asciilifeform: (file under 'fiat problems')
Mats_cd03: "While the Assisting Trooper attempted unsuccessfully to draw his handgun" the 2 second rule nearly prevails once again
Mats_cd03: Should've watched tom cruise for pro tips
mircea_popescu: Lawrence Tierney was pretty cool
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ThickAsThieves amusingly, there was recently a very similar case re milk.
Mats_cd03: Back to Bataan i haven't seen in some time
mircea_popescu: some california producer that made butter out of its own milk was forced to stop selling it because it had an unfair advantage.
asciilifeform: waiting for timoshenko et al to proclaim that yesterday's 'leaked nixon tape' of her asking fellow ua fucktards 'can't we find a nuke with which to cleanse the russian scum' - in perfect russian - is fake
Mats_cd03: Hahaha
jurov: she did already
asciilifeform: jurov: i have this crap set to 'interrupt', not 'poll', so i might be a little behind.
jurov: she apparently tweeted it (but these slovak scumbags did not link it)
mircea_popescu: the consensus in the harem seems to be that these chechen boyz (as typified by todashev) sure are pretty
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05526164 = 0.7184 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 15 @ 0.04999999 = 0.75 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: now how the fuck can women tell who the violent males are ? he looks totally harmless to me.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they're cult figures here in usa. tabloid magazine covers were printed with special magnified mug shots for their wanking.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05360007 = 0.1072 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 2 @ 0.10144642 = 0.2029 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: #FreeJahar: When Conspiracy Theorists and One Direction Fans Collide
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun think they recognised the face.
BingoBoingo: The younger one has had a Beiber like fanbase for some time since his arrest.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 48 @ 0.00298999 = 0.1435 BTC [-] {2}
ThickAsThieves: i wonder what my tax penalties will be for all that unreported WoW gold
bitcoinpete: I'm just going to quietly leave this here:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0503988 = 0.4032 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: bitcoinpete, did you program your HootSuite to post that to IRC? ;)
diametric: ThickAsThieves: none, since Blizzard explicitly states ownership of the gold belongs to them.
bitcoinpete: It has too many footnotes, too many airquotes, and is a bit long (and therefore error-prone).
mircea_popescu: diametric so how much are THEY paying ?
diametric: Technically USD you made illegitimately would be taxed as income, just as any other illegitimate sale
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: you'd swear! lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05598999 = 0.3919 BTC [+]
diametric: mircea_popescu: oh none of course since nothing gets realized
mircea_popescu: oh i see. but some WoW gold IS sold for usd.
diametric: not legitimately
mircea_popescu: ;;buy wow gold
gribble: Error: 'wow' is not a valid positive floating point number.
mircea_popescu: ;;google buy wow gold
gribble: - WoW Gold - GW2 Gold - D3 Gold - Buy Safe, Fast and ...: <>; Buy WOW Gold, World of Warcraft Gold, Diablo 3 gold from <>; Buy WOW Gold,Fast and Cheap WOW Gold for Sale!: <>
mircea_popescu: diametric well, bitcoin is not sold for usd any more legitimately.
mircea_popescu: they're both sold on the grounds of possesion, without title.
mircea_popescu: and actually... wow gold to usd exchanges are older and a lot more stable than btc to usd exchanges.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05598999 = 0.112 BTC [+]
diametric: mircea_popescu: in the same way if I stole your TV and sold it, you're not responsible for capital gains on it.
asciilifeform: ianal, but the linked proclamation seems to declare 'legitimacy' for this purpose
diametric: mircea_popescu: people selling wow gold is technically stealing it.
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: I've been keeping up with the logs at least :)
ThickAsThieves: not really diametric
diametric: they need to pay taxes, but blizzard doesn't.
ThickAsThieves: more like if i sold you my checkign account password
mircea_popescu: diametric people selling btc are equally "technically" stealing it.
asciilifeform: it even demands that miners pay tax, the same way farmers are made to
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 85 @ 0.00298999 = 0.2541 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: (afaik it is technically illegal to be a subsistence farmer in the u.s.)
diametric: ThickAsThieves: all of this in Blizzard's eyes constitutes theft of intellectual property
mircea_popescu: but that's really besides the point.
ThickAsThieves: and pretty hard to defend surely
mircea_popescu: people trading wow gold exchange possession without title.
mircea_popescu: people trading btc idem exchange possession without title.
ThickAsThieves: game currency can be shown to have real world value
ThickAsThieves: regardless of issuer and the rules it imposes
diametric: I'm not disagreeing with you, I'm telling you having actually talked to Blizzard's legal team what they believe
diametric: it of course has never been challenged
mircea_popescu: in neither case a representation is made as to transfer of title, which makes blizzard's ip assertions irrelevant.
asciilifeform: my understanding is that selling 'wow gold' is quite like sub-leasing an apartment where the original lease forbade it
mircea_popescu: o i know what they believe.
mircea_popescu: it's just that they can believe in one hand and piss in the other, see which gets warm first.
asciilifeform: in the usa, if someone hands you money, or cement, etc. for whatever reason, it is officially taxable
diametric: asciilifeform: of course
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but not if someone hands you a dream.
bounce: er. if nobody "owning" WoW gold can hold title then even "stolen" (or traded, or whatever) gold is held without title, and so it canot possibly be theft, now can it?
diametric: which I said those selling the wow gold are liable for taxes
diametric: but not blizzard
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform again : i can hit you over the head with the cement.
mircea_popescu: diametric bounce has it.
mircea_popescu: either it's not taxable throughout, except for realisation
mircea_popescu: or else blizzard owes tax.
ThickAsThieves: would my monthly WoW fee now be an expense?
Apocalyptic: ThickAsThieves, you're a WoW player ?
diametric: ThickAsThieves: I don't see why not.
ThickAsThieves: to maintain the value of the gold i hold?
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you could claim that for a long time, actually.
ThickAsThieves: i dont play anymnore
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly to this discussion
ThickAsThieves: i used to
ThickAsThieves: from Burning Crusade to WotLK
asciilifeform: my understanding is, if i'm shot walking on the street, i theoretically owe 9g of Pb worth of tax on the windfall of perfectly good lead.
ThickAsThieves: i bought both gold and accounts
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform this is true. but, again, with pb i can hit you over the head.
diametric: I've done a lot of things with WoW over the years before I quit about 3 years ago
ThickAsThieves: and the hospital had commited theft if they did not produce the lead back to the owner
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is not like pb, or oranges, or cement.
jurov: don't give anybody a reason to use silver bullets then
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: Werewolves Rejoice!
mike_c: if my employer pays me in stock, i owe taxes. can't hit me in the head with that
bounce: well, as long as they steal the tax obligation with it, I suppose I can live with it
diametric: More interesting is EVE, where earned ISK in game can be realized into a membership
asciilifeform: i think everyone here is aware of the practical difference btween btc and cement. but the bureaucrats aren't - or will pretend, at any rate, for as long as it remains possible
mircea_popescu: mike_c yep, i can.
ThickAsThieves: Dota 2 gets intricate too, the more i play the more items i get, they provide a market for selling items for USD credit
mircea_popescu: stock is a portion of the business, so i get a brick out of the building that is represented by the stock
mircea_popescu: and hit you with that.
mike_c: it's a zero-asset company :)
mircea_popescu: diametric or rift, same thing.
bounce: at least the tax office rarely is interested in anything but taxability
mircea_popescu: mike_c there exist no fiat zero asset corps.
mircea_popescu: see how neatly this all locks together ? :D
ThickAsThieves: the IRS makes no effort to define a virtual currency either
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's fine and dandy, but the best way for their pretense to remain standing is for tem to vehehery carefully steer out of the way of their masters.
mike_c: i do see your point, but i agree with ascii. it makes no practical difference since the bureaucrats will not recognize said difference.
mircea_popescu: ie, the people who can piss on the sugar.
bounce: IMO bit of a failing of government to stick to asking whether they can get away with taxing, and not asking whether they should
asciilifeform: my guess is that no serious effort will be made to actually collect the tax. rather, it will be used as a scourge against folks who need to be 'lettre de cachet'-d.
mircea_popescu: mike_c o yes it does.
mircea_popescu: men made out of paper are not to play with matches.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of the relative sizes.
asciilifeform: ;;google three felonies
gribble: Three-strikes law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Three Felonies A Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent: Harvey ...: <>; Three Felonies a Day: How the Feds Target the Innocent: Harvey A ...: < (1 more message)
mike_c: asciilifeform: indeed. how exactly would they make an effort to collect anyway? impossible.
asciilifeform: in this spirit
ThickAsThieves: it's also an absurd degree of taxation: say i buy a Walmart Gift Card with btc, i should pay sales tax, gains tax, then the seller reports profit and is taxed, revenue used to pay employees is taxed. then you tack on the accounting burden on both sides, plus the seller's burden as tax collector
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's bs, imo.
mircea_popescu: specifically : people who are already defeated take into consideration nonsense such as "oh but the feds have a 9x% conviction rate" as a ready-made excuse to settle.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, five people don't settle and the entire system collapses in flames.
mircea_popescu: it's difficult to overstate just how fragile the entire morloch actually is.
ThickAsThieves: then when you use the gift card all that happens again
mircea_popescu: for all the appearance and pretense of stolid solidity.
asciilifeform: ;;google solzhenitsyn axe
gribble: Quote by Aleksandr I. Solzhenitsyn : And how we burned in the ...: <>; Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn Quotes (Author of One Day in the Life of ...: <>; The Gulag Archipelago - Wikiquote: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: yeah yeah.
mircea_popescu: there's no stalin running the us.
mircea_popescu: and without an actual man, there's no actual power.
mircea_popescu: just a bunch of sterile 37 yo women running around in circles, wailing.
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asciilifeform: heretic david koresh (sp?) crunched under tank treads, with his men. and yet no stalin.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : the hissing of the serpent is easily ignored, until the point you cross its boundary.
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asciilifeform: morloch << molloch worshipped by morlocks? i like it
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the spirit of that example, 1mn people killed on highways each year, no stalin.
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asciilifeform: that's more in the department of 'Lord Hunger'
asciilifeform: 'Царь Голод' (in the original)
asciilifeform: lord hunger, lord plague, lord 'pileup'
ThickAsThieves: "Google's new cloud storage prices are as low as $0.026 per gigabyte as a flat rate, far below Amazon's lowest offering of $0.037 per gigabyte, which kicks in if you're holding terabytes of data in the AWS cloud."
mircea_popescu: at any rate. the waco debacle has been perhaps the costliest enforcing action by the various bureaus
mircea_popescu: nearly ended the batf
asciilifeform: no more than recent events end nsa
asciilifeform: so a few neon signs get swapped for new ones
asciilifeform: business as usual
mircea_popescu: nsa is pretty much finished, yes.
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mircea_popescu: not really that simple.
asciilifeform: ;;google Church Committee 1975
gribble: Church Committee - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Church Committee Created - US Senate: <>; Church Committee - US Senate Select Committee on Intelligence: <>
asciilifeform: ;;google mk ultra
gribble: Project MKUltra - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; History of MK-ULTRA. CIA program on Mind Control.: <>; CIA Mind Control Operation MK-ULTRA - YouTube: <>
asciilifeform: afaik all of these folks (or younger successors) are still employed
mircea_popescu: And how we burned in the camps later, thinking: What would things have been like if every Security operative, when he went out at night to make an arrest, had been uncertain whether he would return alive and had to say good-bye to his family? Or if, during periods of mass arrests, as for example in Leningrad, when they arrested a quarter of the entire city, people had not simply sat there in their lairs, paling with te
mircea_popescu: rror at every bang of the downstairs door and at every step on the staircase, but had understood they had nothing left to lose and had boldly set up in the downstairs hall an ambush of half a dozen people with axes, hammers, pokers, or whatever else was at hand?
mircea_popescu: quite excellent points.
ThickAsThieves: lol [KS] (KS] has joined #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: brings to mind a spirited debate
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema vina batranilor
gribble: Aprilie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>; Cocietate si Sultura pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>
ozbot: Vina batranilor pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that piece seems to be about 'говноеды' ('shit-eaters') no?
asciilifeform: the happily-colonized folks
asciilifeform: 'In examining different kinds of agents, people from the free world who have sold themselves to the GRU, one cannot avoid touching on yet another category, perhaps the least appealing of all. Officially one is not allowed to call them agents, and they are not agents in the full sense of being recruited agents. We are talking about the numerous members of overseas societies of friendship with the Soviet Union.
asciilifeform: Officially, all Soviet representatives regard these parasites with touching feelings of friendship, but privately they call them 'shit-eaters' ('govnoed'). It is difficult to say where this expression originated, but it is truly the only name they deserve. The use of this word has become so firmly entrenched in Soviet embassies that it is impossible to imagine any other name for these people. A conversation mi
asciilifeform: ght run as follows: Today we've got a friendship evening with shit-eaters', or Today we're having some shit-eaters to dinner. Prepare a suitable menu'.'
asciilifeform: (rezun's classic 'soviet military intelligence')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much
mircea_popescu: afaik it originated with hruschev
mircea_popescu: always a man of his words.
jurov: and they really thought such foreign policy is sustainable?
jurov: or sustainability is not in russian vocabulary?
mircea_popescu: sorta like all the numerous "ngos"
mircea_popescu: dotting the landscape these days.
mircea_popescu: saving animals and the environment and whatnot.
asciilifeform: afaik most modern despots would be quite satisfied with ancient egypt's 5000 yrs of 'sustain'
mircea_popescu: who thinks the crap is "sustainable" and what's sustainable even mean in that context
asciilifeform: hell, modest '1000 year reich'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform notice how it compresses.
asciilifeform: even these are growing more modest. wait for the 100 year reich. 10.
mircea_popescu: "civitas aeterna"
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asciilifeform: what is 'startup' crapola if not 'the 1-year reich'
bounce: can just declare the 10 day reich at home then. take two weeks off, nobody notices. success.
mike_c: US became boss, what, when USSR dissolved? 20 years so far.
mircea_popescu: mike_c the us was boss roughly speaking 1915 - 1980
bounce: or ten minutes a day, every day. just need staying power.
asciilifeform: reich is not a chess clock.
mircea_popescu: usa and ussr dissolved really at the same time
mircea_popescu: only one admitted to it.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
ozbot: Closing the 'Collapse Gap': the USSR was better prepared for collapse than the US
bounce: the US found new enemies to fight, as it is wont to do
asciilifeform: colourful pictures, short sentences. works even for children.
bounce: how long did the ottoman empire take to collapse?
asciilifeform: bounce: perhaps you know how long it lives as 'vegetable', on european loans / shared tech / refraining from zapping
mircea_popescu: bounce cca a century.
mircea_popescu: as an english buffer of sorts.
asciilifeform: or hell, why turks were invited into nato
asciilifeform: (same reason)
mircea_popescu: actually it was sensible. turkey should have been taken into the eu in 2006
mircea_popescu: that'd have fully avoided the eu crisis.
mircea_popescu: same thing had the us the ballsack to make iraq the 51st state
mircea_popescu: thinkaboutit.jpg
mircea_popescu: i know i would have, congress be damned.
bounce: with erdogan in office? bit against what the eu purports to stand for.
mircea_popescu: nobody asks the eu what it wants to stand for tho.
mircea_popescu: the only way to use money in 2006 would have been to lift up turkey.
ThickAsThieves: makes sense to me, you go into a country and have your military running the place for a decade, why not just stake claim?
jurov: how would it avoid the crisis?
mircea_popescu: similarly for dollars and iraq
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mircea_popescu: jurov because it gives economy something to do.
mircea_popescu: suddenly there's all these schools to build.
mircea_popescu: all these bank branches
mircea_popescu: and omfg those iraquis don't even get pottery barn catalogs daily ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reminds me of, in reverse: '...Идет пленум ЦК, Генеральный секретарь читает доклад: Больших успехов достигли хлеборобы Кубанщины, Ставропольщины, Смоленщины, Техасщины, Колорадщины.'
asciilifeform: trans.:
B007: asciilifeform: thanks for that link
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asciilifeform: [context: pres. carter dreams a bad dream] - 'plenum of central committee. ussr gensec reads report: great successes by the bread farmers of Kuban, Stavropol, Smolensk, Texas, Colorado provinces...'
mircea_popescu: i wonder how long till #bitcoin-assets gets the webby awards for the coolest place on the web
mircea_popescu: o wait, webby no longer exists huh.
asciilifeform: surely not for this.
jurov: so mircea think "cohesion" transfers to turkey would not caouse even bigger crisis?
asciilifeform: i think everyone east of berlin knows that joke
bounce: anyway, apropos churchill re americans, the eurocrats have a good track record of starting the same but finishing in the same way hasn't been in strong evidence
mike_c: webby alive and kicking.
asciilifeform: perhaps we can win a tcpipy. or something.
mircea_popescu: jurov pretty sure it wouldn't, no.
mircea_popescu: mike_c ya but you know what i mean. or do you ?
asciilifeform: ;;google fukuppy
gribble: Meet Fukuppy, the inadvertent Fukushima mascot | World news ...: <>; Fukuppy, Fukushima Industries new mascot, is branding disaster ...: <>; Fukushima Industries New 'Fukuppy' (1 more message)
B007: it's hard to image some of those things happening in the us when it collapses because of its private sector though
mike_c: hey, i was nominated for two webbys just 3 years ago :)
bounce: greece is a shambles, but so far hasn't been too good for the eu economy as a whole. how would turkey have been different?
mircea_popescu: in other news, some guy sold 3500 records debuted in the billboard
mircea_popescu: B007 what private sector ?
B007: all the private companies, landlords
mircea_popescu: name one ?
jurov: B007: detroit has had very strong private sector once
mike_c: ^ excellent point.
B007: google
jurov: yeah, google tends to support common good such as... public transport ? :DDD
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jurov: whole internet pokes fun of google buses by now
mircea_popescu: google is tenuously a private sector corp.
mircea_popescu: it's basically supported by govt-sponsored spending.
jurov: wherever the money comes from, their mindset will be utterly useless in collapse
ozbot: List of largest manufacturing companies by revenue - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: where the money comes from shapes the mindset.
mircea_popescu: that's why start-ups can be easily destroyed by getting the wrong money sources early.
B007: why would the govt sponser google?
mircea_popescu: general electric, ford and hp are all kept on respirators by public usg spending.
mircea_popescu: B007 because it can't avoid it.
mircea_popescu: tbh procter and gamble may be the first item on that list able to duke it on its own
mircea_popescu: barely top 50
B007: any facts about money google receives from govt?
mircea_popescu: you familiar with the yahoo dotcom boom cycle ?
mircea_popescu: (if not, graham explains it better than i could : )
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bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: quite enjoyed your fun article. the sizes of the gaps between those layers is nothing to sneeze at :)
TestingUnoDosTre: <B007>: interesting list, never heard of Hon Hai Precision Industries before
mircea_popescu: should have a bet as to wehen the first bitcoin corp makes the top
bounce: holding corp of... foxconn, wasn't it?
ozbot: Kraken, a Bitcoin exchange, raises $5M | VentureBeat | Deals | by J. O'Dell
bitcoinpete: apologies if repost
B007: so if google in the next yahoo, who is the next google?
mircea_popescu: yeah hon hai is mostly foxconn
mircea_popescu: funny how it ranks above apple.
mircea_popescu: B007 mpoe.
TestingUnoDosTre: <bounce> looks like you're correct
mircea_popescu: "If circumstances had been different, the people running Yahoo might have realized sooner how important search was. But they had the most opaque obstacle in the world between them and the truth: money."
mircea_popescu: epic quote.
mircea_popescu: lampelina and who might you be ?
mike_c: lampelina runs now. hopefully she will remove the password requirement soon ;)
jurov: hehe
jurov: no they guessed right that advertising is important. search is "only" the precursor for the addiction
bounce: TestingUnoDosTre: I didn't say that
thestringpuller: lole MPOE is not an options emporium anymore
thestringpuller: lolololol
ozbot: IRS: Bitcoin is property, like a stock or bond, and not a currency | Ars Technica
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ozbot: $397 billion fighter jet deployment may be delayed by software glitches | Ars Technica
asciilifeform: B007: since when, 1970? it's the same airplane every time
mike_c: it's good to be lockheed.. best lobbyists in the industry.
lampelina: mike_c, will do my best for site to be up asap
benkay: thestringpuller: 'mpoe' is now an artifact of history
mircea_popescu: soo... inb4 500 bitcointalk threads where all sorts of experts explain how mp was indeed right and they were indeed clueless ?
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mike_c: lampelina: no rush, just teasing. good luck running it.
ozbot: Maja L. (lampelina) on Twitter
mircea_popescu: "It's hard for anyone much younger than me to understand the fear Microsoft still inspired in 1995."
mircea_popescu: i think it'll be hard for anyone born after 1990 or so to even understand fear.
ozbot: Re: A draft business plan for free software LISP vendors - Naggum cll archive
B007: what is fear?
asciilifeform: (re: microshit)
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mircea_popescu: B007 fear is when you understand what kills you before it actually does.
mircea_popescu: just another way of not being dumb as rocks, as it were.
asciilifeform: on the flip side of this, 'coward dies a thousand deaths, brave man - one'
mike_c: say what you will about "microshit", but bill gates was/is a hell of a businessman.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a brave man and a fearless man don't map well.
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mike_c: he justifiably instilled more fear than steve jobs ever did.
asciilifeform: well yes. the latter is more like the famous disease where the victim cannot feel pain.
asciilifeform: mike_c: the microshit style of 'doing business' goes a long way to explaining the popularity of communism, etc. among technical types.
mike_c: whaat?
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mike_c: how so?
mircea_popescu: "nobody should have the power to tell us what to do"
BingoBoingo: Does S.NSA have a LISP fighter jet in its long term plans?
mike_c: nobody does have the power to tell the powerful what to do. mp has stated that some 5 million times.
asciilifeform: the notion that ms turdware is a product of any kind of free market or competition on technical merit is a real comedy.
mircea_popescu: mike_c but how dares microsoft tell x y z ppl what to do!
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mircea_popescu: "well ithas the money" "well then money is bad"
mike_c: asciilifeform: hence his business acumen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let's argue this.
mircea_popescu: when microsoft was born, ibm was much larger. how did it eat ibm's lunch ?
asciilifeform: mike_c: by that token, we should look up to 1990s russian mob as business teachers. 'take contract on creditor when cheaper than paying back loan', rectothermal cryptoanalysis, the joys.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i presume you know the story of msdos
mike_c: microsoft didn't shove a cattle prod up anyone's ass.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do. what part of that is not free market ?
asciilifeform: inherited ibm's monopoly
mircea_popescu: why didn't you ?
asciilifeform: ultimately usg sponsored.
asciilifeform: and if that were the end... then, bundling pacts with pc makers, the collusion with intel to kill 'os/2' (secret cpu instructions), many other wonderful things
diametric: i miss os/2.
mircea_popescu: so these are not free market ?
asciilifeform: i suppose ms turdows being mandatory os of usg is also free market ?
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mircea_popescu: it wasn't born that way.
mike_c: ^ i think you are underestimating what it took to build the monolopy.
mircea_popescu: so now, the "competition on technical merit" leg of your statement, i see
mircea_popescu: the free market leg however, i do not.
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mircea_popescu: i'll readily grant that it didn't operate in any kind of free market in the 90s. but your statement was as of product
asciilifeform: it is no coincidence, though, that ms became synonymous with 'home computer' in the 90s and not earlier.
mircea_popescu: it may be.
mircea_popescu: for instance, if jobs weren't an idiot.
mircea_popescu: shitty macs could have been synonymous with home computer
asciilifeform: much of what people think of as 'dark age' of apple corp. took place without herr jobs
mircea_popescu: with much, much worse overal effects.
mircea_popescu: fucktards running tablets today don't even realise they should be able to interact with their hard drives
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform there is sucvh a thing as idiocy through absence.
asciilifeform: the outcome, unsurprisingly, was the death of apple corp. (it does not really exist today, just 'next' corp. renamed 'apple')
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, i don't know there's something in the world i ever hated more than a mac, and in this sense a ms-dos pc seems a muchly preferable alternative.
mike_c: the 'dark age' of apple would have been the 'no apple' age if microsoft hadn't given them money to keep them alive.
mircea_popescu: so perhaps it was quite free market : we just got the better alternative, which sucked.
mircea_popescu: the general idiocy of "the community" ie, the paying public, being the field on which technical solutions have to live.
asciilifeform: msdos was in some very real sense 'soviet' - as in, all the known joys, but a kid can build explosive xxxx at his parents' dacha without being harassed
mircea_popescu: mike_c which kind-of explains WHY microsoft kept apple alive.
mircea_popescu: any sane dog will keep the wolf alive.
asciilifeform: in america this tactic has a name:
asciilifeform: 'good cop / bad cop'
mircea_popescu: democratic party ?
mike_c: keeping apple alive prevented more DOJ attention at the time.
mircea_popescu: in soviet russia this also has a name. vrag naroda etc.
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mircea_popescu: mike_c my meta-point is that, even if not epxlicit, what it really did was it kept people like me pacified
mike_c: hah. gotcha.
mircea_popescu: that'd otherwise have taken a flamethrower at redmond
mircea_popescu: you know, simply shot gates, instead of merely throwing pies.
bounce: er. should kids on tablets be able to interact with the hard drive? it's a bit like asking if drivers should be able to interact with their motor. plenty people prefer stick. esp. in the us plenty people *cannot drive* without automatic
mircea_popescu: what's a free market other than an endless caleidoscope of a mexican standoff
mircea_popescu: bounce also known as "plenty of people in the us cannot drive"
asciilifeform: ;;google good cop/bad cop
gribble: Good cop/bad cop - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Good cop bad cop (disambiguation) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Beyond Good Cop/Bad Cop: A Look At Real-Life Interrogations : NPR: < (1 more message)
bounce: no need to generalise the point in obvious irrelevancy though
bounce: s/in/&to/
mircea_popescu: i guess.
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bounce recalls reading someone lamenting the world didn't go the wossname "persistent" route -- run a program, it'd auto-save to disk. next time you start it, auto-picks up where you left it. but on full OS level.
mircea_popescu: some of the early memories kinda worked this way
bounce: in such an environment it's perhaps easier to see a different abstraction than the "files in directories on drives" we more or less take for granted
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asciilifeform: bounce: as described in my piece,
mircea_popescu: geting the damned thing to actually reboot was hell
asciilifeform: bounce: it has a name. 'orthogonal persistence'
bounce: hm think I read about it elsewhere
asciilifeform: you can actually get nonvolatile memories that work at dram speeds now.
asciilifeform: ;;google MRAM
gribble: Magnetoresistive random-access memory - Wikipedia, the free ...: <>; MRAM-Info | MRAM News, Resources & Information: <>; Everspin Technologies, Inc.: <>
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bounce: anyway, with flash-backed ram those days could be here again
asciilifeform: they could. but you'd have to incinerate the legacy turdware.
asciilifeform: and probably legacy cpu archs.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or simply find a different application
mircea_popescu: this discussion neatly maps on the cellphone/landline discussion.
mircea_popescu: sometimes one gets a chance to start over.
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asciilifeform: correct.
asciilifeform: genuinely starting over, even in an embedded machine, has cost. see apple's 'newton'.
mircea_popescu: but sometimes that's unavoidable
mircea_popescu: as in, well, this application will require a start-over anyway
mircea_popescu: for x y z unrelated reasons
bounce: has risks though, qv second system effect
mircea_popescu: so might as well try something else.
mircea_popescu: bounce i suspect that risk is mostly mitigated by stalin
mircea_popescu: which is why stalin even exists in the first place.
bounce: 'sdies, even without need you can, iff you have some vision or other to back it up. that's apparently a rare thing, seeing how there's only only jobs and a fsckton of imitators and NIH-botching immitators
mircea_popescu: what's 'sdies ?
asciilifeform: bounce: one of the purposes of stalin is to distinguish between imitators and the genuine article.
bounce: s/di/id/
bounce: this the bloody-handed dead guy or some metaphor I'm missing a reference to?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform or moreover, to make sure that none of the imitators survive
mircea_popescu: (even should it come at a cost of a few genuine heads impaled)
asciilifeform: well, that follows naturally, no?
asciilifeform: once you determine what part of a kitchen is a cockroach and which parts aren't, the next step is clear
mircea_popescu: bounce i used it as a metaphor for a guy who says "you do what i tell you or i kill you" and then proceeds to stick to his word.
bounce: oh. AIUI he'd be wont to kill you for reasons entirely outside your control, too. well perhaps that's apt too.
mircea_popescu: surely he will.
mircea_popescu: one of the chief complaints of my slavegirls is that they have no measure of control over x
mircea_popescu: and my response invariably comes back as "tough".
bounce: you more or less sound like that turkish guy in one of the bond novels
benkay: mircea_popescu regarding weight loss: what, everything sags a little?
mircea_popescu: HOYT: State your name.
mircea_popescu: SOUP NAZI: Yev Kassem.
mircea_popescu: HOYT: Could you spell that?
mircea_popescu: SOUP NAZI: No! Next question.
bounce: not being in control and getting punished for things not under your control are different things though
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9952 @ 0.00095181 = 9.4724 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay those thighs ;/ they look unwomanly.
mircea_popescu: bounce well if you're dealing with stalin, you're not getting punished.
mircea_popescu: you're getting killed.
Mats_cd03: i find the boobies to be the most erotic part of the woman
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 meet my friend freud, he has some observations to make.
Mats_cd03: does your friend freud have boobies?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: largest collection in all of vienna
mircea_popescu: B007 o.O
mircea_popescu: mind control!
B007: I wish
mircea_popescu: my friend freud says that since you said it just as i was going to bed, clearly it's the case.
B007: did you dream it
Mats_cd03: let me know if freud is any good in bed
benkay: ;;seen ninjashogun
gribble: ninjashogun was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 hours, 29 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <ninjashogun> hi, asciilifeform
benkay: ;;seen CheckDavid
gribble: CheckDavid was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 20 hours, 37 minutes, and 27 seconds ago: <CheckDavid> Haha
mircea_popescu: how to ping random people for fun and profit
benkay: there's some interesting synchronous behavior.
mircea_popescu: i dig BingoBoingo's twitter background
CheckDavid: benkay: @
bounce: I don't suppose there'd be a way to get a ban for selling wow gold overturned on the grounds that blizzard isn't paying taxes over it
diametric: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 106 @ 0.00282912 = 0.2999 BTC [-] {6}
diametric: bounce: my experience is banned accounts almost always stay banned, unless you can convince someone you were hacked.
ozbot: Facebook purchases VR headset maker Oculus for $2 billion | Ars Technica
diametric: in my experience, i was special banned, and almost sued
B007: nooooooooooooooooooo
diametric: B007: it is a sad day.
diametric: that belong on the onion..
benkay: zuck wants to point and laugh at carmack the code monkey
bounce: "hacked". anyway.
mircea_popescu: diametric lol you sold wow gold ?
diametric: mircea_popescu: nope
bounce: only $400M and a sack of fool's gold
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05402103 = 0.108 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: really?
benkay: whatsapp for 16b and oculus rift for 400m?
diametric: though after they banned me I was very tempted to rape their policies in as many ways as I could.
benkay: that's damn insulting.
diametric: benkay: they didn't buy whatsapp for 16b, they bought 450 million users.
bounce: $4G + shares and things, apparently
diametric: ;;ident diametric
gribble: Nick 'diametric', with hostmask 'diametric!~diametric@2604:3400:dc1:43:216:3eff:fe27:bf9d', is identified as user 'diametric', with GPG key id BDD47433133081CF, key fingerprint 0789CB4F508B384EB74CEFBFBDD47433133081CF, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ;;calc 16000000000/450000000
gribble: 35.5555555556
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.0568 = 0.1704 BTC [+]
diametric: mircea_popescu: i didn't sell gold, but i did other things that caused them to actually track down my place of employment via linkedin and try to have my fired. I should actually state it wasn't Blizzard. Blizzard was not bad about it, it was the brass as Activision.
diametric: I have since decided maintaining a linked in profile is a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: if some random schmucks manage to get you fired you're better off weithout the idiots anyway.
diametric: well, I was never actually in danger of getting fired, I just did not enjoy having that much personally identifiable information hanging out there.
bounce: if you look at the (wikipedia) list of acquisitions it's the userbase they pay most for. actual tech doesn't sell well, databases full of users do.
B007: ;;ident B007
gribble: Nick 'B007', with hostmask 'B007!~B007@unaffiliated/b007', is not identified.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0509 = 0.2545 BTC [+]
diametric: mircea_popescu: though, I guess they ultimately did me a favor. It broke my addiction to MMOs and gaming in general, though I do play casually from time to time.
mircea_popescu: as far as i can remember i always used tos as toilet paper and never suffered for it.
benkay: great thing about the USG is that there's enough ToS for an entire lifetime of butt wiping.
benkay: and the service ain't that great anyways so fuck 'em.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.10144642 = 2.0289 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0554 = 0.1108 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: at some point dodgy promoters are going to run out of angles to try and spamvertise donations. then what ?
punkman: they'll never run out
mircea_popescu: ;;google doge coins through wide angle lens!
gribble: Camera Lenses | Nikon Digital Camera Lenses | NIKKOR Lens Optics: <>; We test the Vtec Wide Angle and Macro Lens for iPhone 4: <>; Insert Coin: Piper melds home automation and security in a simple ...: (1 more message)
ozbot: PC4-200P Amphenol Aerospace | Mouser
ozbot: Craig Show - Animals close-up with a wide angle lens - YouTube
asciilifeform: not every day you see a golden toilet in a catalogue.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 9 @ 0.05689999 = 0.5121 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15400 @ 0.0009523 = 14.6654 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3433 @ 0.00095088 = 3.2644 BTC [-]
dexX7: gribble: can you tell me what 4 pm et in utc is?
asciilifeform: dexX7: gribble is mechanical.
asciilifeform pictures some wretch, perhaps in india, employed as a human gribble.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05400053 = 0.216 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6771 @ 0.00095088 = 6.4384 BTC [-]
dexX7: haha i know
asciilifeform: if hieronymous bosch were alive today, painting pictures of the torments of the damned in hell, perhaps he'd feature a human disk controller
asciilifeform: moving bits in a wheelbarrow, for all eternity
mircea_popescu: ;;google 4pm et in utc
gribble: Converting EST to GMT - World Time Buddy: <>; Converting UTC to EST - World Time Buddy: <>; Converting EST to UTC - World Time Buddy: <>
dexX7: ty, i guess it's only a matter of the right question ;)
mike_c: that's weak. it does measurements for you. i guess timezones aren't as popular
mike_c: ;;google 4mm to inches
gribble: inch/mm CONVERSION CHART - Maryland Metrics: <>; Rings & Things - Converting inches to millimeters: <>; mm to inches - millimeters conversion: <>
mike_c: hm, gribble doesn't support it anyway
bounce: ;;calc 0.4*2.54
gribble: 1.016
mike_c: gribble > google
bounce: that can't be right
mike_c: it's not :)
bounce: ;;calc 2.54/0.4
gribble: 6.35
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 140 @ 0.00294126 = 0.4118 BTC [+] {8}
mike_c: ;;calc 4/25.4
gribble: 0.157480314961
bounce: right. time for bed.
ozbot: New IRS Bitcoin Rules Pose a Problem Only an Army of Startups Can Solve | Wired Enterprise | Wired.c
asciilifeform: (for the headline lulz)
asciilifeform: '“I think this is going to create a huge opportunity for hosted wallets,” says Jered Kenna, a bitcoin entrepreneur and the CEO of He believes that the smart bitcoin wallet makers will simply be able to add this as a service, tracking the capital gains and losses as you spend your bitcoins through the year, and maybe even issuing you a convenient 1099 at the end of the year.'
asciilifeform: on what planet do people want this.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 9 @ 0.08220512 = 0.7398 BTC [-] {5}
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: On the planet where the rectothermal is repackaged as a fashionable relaxation on par with massage and enemas here.
benkay: the planet where the führer's shit is the only cake you've ever eaten.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16821 @ 0.00095007 = 15.9811 BTC [-]
jurov: yall don't understad. They are Proudly Officially Recognized for once!
asciilifeform: many years ago, a 'seedy' and much-beloved bar in my town was torched at night, by unknown saboteurs. the local rag proclaimed that 'this is an opportunity! the land will be put to good use by respectable developers!'
asciilifeform: ever since, whenever i see the english word 'opportunity' in the idiot press, i think of just this.
asciilifeform: in other news: in california it is illegal to teach - anything - without a permit:
ozbot: California Cracks Down on Hacker Boot Camps | Wired Enterprise |
benkay: learning is illegal
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2640 @ 0.00281087 = 7.4207 BTC [-] {13}
jurov: since fucking is, everything follows
Apocalyptic: fucking is illegal now N
mircea_popescu: yeah, jared kenna
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
jurov: in the US most of it is
mircea_popescu: the guy who stole a bunch of customer funds
mircea_popescu: and then ran off and made a real estate development which floundered
mircea_popescu: and then tried to come back to bitcoin for more and got smashed
mircea_popescu: and now imagines somehow he'll be allowed to hold customer funds.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17750 @ 0.00094728 = 16.8142 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7431 @ 0.00094721 = 7.0387 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Well, it's by the Wired guy who got pissy on twitter.
jurov: kenna strives to have his scam documented in IRS-compliant manner
jurov: and that will be his undoing
mircea_popescu: eh, currently the usg policy is something along the lines of "well why put away the scammers, they're useful players"
mircea_popescu: in that you can always have them inform on anyone else stupid enough to be in business with them.
mircea_popescu: as far as the alphabet soup is concerned, the ideal situation is to have everything penetrated by people like kenna.
mircea_popescu: on one hand they're scum anyway, so not likely they'll suddenly discover a backbone, and on the other hand even if they were to try you already have enough on them to put them away for a long, long time.
asciilifeform: this is the phoundation in 1 sentence.
asciilifeform: it's why 'gox == btc' in the us press, etc.
mircea_popescu: the problem with this, of course, is that it doesn't actually work.
mircea_popescu: which is the fundamental reason why stuff like the wot and otc trade and so forth are so important.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14079 @ 0.00095052 = 13.3824 BTC [+]
ninjashogun: Google Securities Act Section 2(a)(1) and read the first sentence
ninjashogun: Google: "Securities Act Section 2(a)(1)" and read the first sentence
ninjashogun: and Google: "Exchange Act Section (3)(a)(10)" and read the first sentence (of the pdf)
BingoBoingo: ;;google Securities act
gribble: Securities Act of 1933 - Securities and Exchange Commission: <>; Securities Act of 1933 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Securities Act Of 1933 Definition | Investopedia: <>
ninjashogun: "Mr. Viragh, \p If it constitutes a security, yes. \pThe definition of security is included in Securities Act Section 2(a)(1) and Exchange Act Section (3)(a)(10). In addition, the term “investment contract” has been further defined by court cases. While the determination that “stocks” and “bonds” are securities may be fairly simple (because they are specifically named in these definitions), the determination
ninjashogun: as to whether something is an investment contract is a fact-specific analysis. \p The Division of Trading and Markets "
ninjashogun: (at the SEC.)
ninjashogun: I asked about accepting bitcoin for shares on my site - since it's "play money" (monopoly money) that is PC software and anyone can run it (like a video game) to generate the virtual internet coins.
ninjashogun: PDF of the original Securities Act (relevant section): PDF of Exchange Act:
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 583.77, vol: 8107.38220171 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 581.0, vol: 4810.71151 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 583.9899, vol: 4888.78347245 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 600.01, vol: 34.50767128 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 575.192574, vol: 2277.19400000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 584.0, vol: 5.97791428 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 587.35, vol: 41.56679934 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 998 @ 0.00013639 = 0.1361 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:15fe50f1e823040fe9f0418e90b7848df01f4b2a7052ce1bb09784ba
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
mircea_popescu: ;;rate FabianB 3 Ruby pympex extension, some trades etc
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user FabianB has changed from 1 to 3.
TestingUnoDosTre: a little bit late, but this was an awesome comment in the california hacker article "It IS relatively easy for an nationally/regionally accredited operation to advertise a degree program, collect tuition, and then provide low-quality education. Somehow I see a deep parallel, and the problem is what again??"
mircea_popescu: ;;rate pankkake dev, my ATC broker
gribble: Error: 'dev,' is not a valid integer.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate pankkake 3 dev, my ATC broker
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user pankkake has changed from 1 to 3.
pankkake: I don't qualify for this
mircea_popescu: ;;rate BingoBoingo 3 blogger, my ATC investment banker
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user BingoBoingo has changed from 3 to 3.
mircea_popescu: pankkake lol wut ?
pankkake: I'm holding like 0.1 BTC worth
dexX7: re wired: wasn't this mcmillan guy the one who was here a few days ago?
BingoBoingo: dexX7: Yeah
Apocalyptic: doesn't contradict the fact you may be a broker
mircea_popescu: dexX7 possibly.
BingoBoingo: He didn't do much in the public chan
dexX7: yea
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mike_c 3 blogger, dev
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user mike_c has been recorded.
pankkake: Not with a rating of 3
mircea_popescu: pankkake how do you know how i score things ?
pankkake: is there a maximum?
dexX7: 10?
pankkake: thought it was 5. maybe then
mircea_popescu: pankkake it seems you're labouring under the misapprehension that these ranks are sort-of like school marks
mircea_popescu: that's not what they are. they're statistical dampeners.
pankkake: no, I just take them as trust
mircea_popescu: the only thing someone's aggregate score tells you is how likely it is for you to have someone who knows him in your network.
mircea_popescu: and the individual score is not "how trustworthy is this guy" but "how well i am acquainted with this guy", ie, how valuable my input may be to a third party asking for references.
duduqa: "misapprehension"...boy, I´m learning good English for free here. Big THANK YOU, Mr. MP
mircea_popescu: duduqa yw
pankkake: I see
mircea_popescu: so in this sense, pankkake, i can mark as 10 someone with whom i only do 0.001 trades, inasmuch as i judge that i can 100% describe them to whoever asks
mircea_popescu: conversely i could keep someone at a 1 even if we trade millions, if it's a hit and run affair and i couldn't really tell them from adam.
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust pankkake
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user pankkake: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 4 via 2 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Thu Jun 6 12:07:25 2013
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 11 via 7 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
nubbins`: interesting system
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's really how the wot's supposed to work.
TestingUnoDosTre: intruiging
nubbins`: too true
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm confused though
mircea_popescu: it's a web of trust not a web of facebook likes.
nubbins`: i think the highest rating i've left anyone is maybe a 2.
TestingUnoDosTre: Let's say your .001 trader comes around looking to trade 5
pankkake: but I could trust someone I know nothing about
TestingUnoDosTre: how do you judge his merit with your system
mike_c: thanks for rating mp. i have found wot useful even for someone like me with a small graph. you rate people you trust, and then can leech off their ratings.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre suppose this guy comes to trade 5 with you.
mircea_popescu: you don't know him, but know me. so you come to me
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07349999 = 0.147 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "hey, what's this guy worth in trust ?"
nubbins`: ;;rated mircea_popescu
gribble: You rated user mircea_popescu on Thu Oct 17 15:12:06 2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: patron of the arts.
nubbins`: yep, top of my charts
mircea_popescu: and i tell you "we've done a bunch of 0.0001 trades and i trust him to so and so and back and forth"
mircea_popescu: and you go "but specifically in this context ? "
mircea_popescu: and i go "well maybe X or maybe Y" etc.
TestingUnoDosTre: too much thinking. I'm going to go create a web of likes and dislikes ;)
BingoBoingo: Basically it is what LinkedIN imagined it could be
mircea_popescu: lol it's the thinking that makes it powerful tho.
mircea_popescu: i can cut through the chase in about ten minutes because of it,
TestingUnoDosTre: just joking. you explained the concept quite well
mircea_popescu: and that's quite why i;'m so distrustful of various "Experts" and "ceos" and whatnot that don't have one.
pankkake: people accept anyone's friendship in linkedin. I always get recruiters as shortest paths, it's useless :(
TestingUnoDosTre: I absolutely hate recruits on linked in. It's like they believe their likelyhood of staying with a company depends on how many contacts they have
BingoBoingo: Basically the part where you contact the raters is why the apserzersorLords aren't keen on the WoT and default to Pirateat40 to justify their sloth
pankkake: they did some things right lately, you can *endorse* people
nubbins`: linkedin sucks
nubbins`: i'm suspicious of people who add me on it
TestingUnoDosTre: I've had some Indian dude that I briefly hung out with at work like 3 years ago ask for endorsements on his project management skills. I complied...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the who ?!
nubbins`: yeah, i've had people i worked with 3 years ago "endorse" me for skills out of the blue
nubbins`: doesn't make any sense
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The forum aspies
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: And the wanna be Ceo aspies
nubbins`: "the hr manager at your first job out of university has endorsed you for the following skills"
nubbins`: GREAT
pankkake: I've been endorsed for skills the people endorsing me knew nothing about. that's because it bugs you to endorse people…
mircea_popescu: useless social bs.
BingoBoingo: The people for whom any social interaction is a greater burden then clicking button on whatever virtual BBQ retreat they go to
nubbins`: linkedin: it's like facebook, but without your friends and family
mircea_popescu: kinda why i love nanotube. he's a geek, and he's not making the wot any more social than it is
nubbins` endorsed you for the following skills: beard-growing
pankkake: I removed a lot of friends this year actually
pankkake: ahah
mircea_popescu endorses you for your girlfriend. and also endorses her.
mircea_popescu: where en-dors-ing would mean...well...
mircea_popescu: something to do with behinds.
ninjashogun: mircea_popescu, weaker than usual pun :)
nubbins` endorsals your gf for the following skills
nubbins`: rusty trombones
nubbins`: hot carls
mircea_popescu: it's getting harder and harder to argue with that chick
mircea_popescu: davout she totally owned joo :D
mircea_popescu: endorsaled!
nubbins`: her ignore button is no longer yellow, -1
mircea_popescu: "would ignore again ++++"
pankkake: because of thermos
nubbins`: pankkake really?
pankkake: yes, because it slows down the server or some crap
nubbins`: so you could say that thermos has... INSULATED her?
nubbins` cackles
pankkake: because that obviously can't be cached…
nubbins`: btctalk is fucked these past few days
nubbins`: i get a 500 error upon first connect, without fail
nubbins`: hit refresh, it loads
pankkake: who's behind by the way?
nubbins`: open a thread w/ images, all broken. refresh, all there.
dexX7: hehe wanted to drop too
nubbins`: pankkake: i think thermos is, so he can cut and run with the forum upgrade funds
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mircea_popescu: o wait wait... the 3k btc worth of server can be slowed down ?
mircea_popescu: dexX7 maybe drop the guy a note to come by ?
mircea_popescu: i think pretty much everyone likes him by now.
TestingUnoDosTre: what did he do?
mircea_popescu: an undeletable tardstalk
mircea_popescu: well... undeletable by the same crowd at any rate.
TestingUnoDosTre: did that guy just copy bitcointalk?
dexX7: it's a mirror
ozbot: No Women Allowed? Why Men Served Lunch at Nuclear Summit - NBC News
davout: mircea_popescu: haha yeah, "ceci n'est pas un ownage"
dexX7: i think this is the original thread on btctalk
nubbins`: davout: "but it is an ownage!" "okay, then, smoke it" "..."
mircea_popescu: hey, anyone recall that iconic confidence scam scene where the guy pretends to be an ex marine waiting for a money order ?
davout: i know of one where the guy pretended to be a pirate or sthg
mircea_popescu: no, he pretended to be a stranded marine
mircea_popescu: prmised the mark 30 bucks out of his inexistent check,
mircea_popescu: mark gets his check first, offers 30 bucks
ozbot: House of Games (1987) - Short Con - Western Union Scene - YouTube
mircea_popescu: ty invisible hand
TestingUnoDosTre: hahaha that was awesome
nubbins`: house of brutal acting
mircea_popescu: yeah they can't act
mircea_popescu: kinda makes the thing stronger, imo.
punkman: good movie
punkman: that "thank you sir, may I have another" was hilarious in the end
nubbins`: hm, mamet
nubbins`: i saw glengarry glen ross earlier today for the first time
mircea_popescu: one should never see that film for the first time.
ozbot: Interacting with fiat institutions [such as the SEC], a guide
nubbins`: i don't know what that means
mircea_popescu: lol !b 1
nubbins`: you ruined it ;(
assbot: Last 4 lines bashed and pending review. (
nubbins`: !b 4
nubbins` cackles
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 18 @ 0.60235671 = 10.8424 BTC [-] {10}
nubbins`: so my folks don't like their neighbours. the kid just got hauled off in a cop car. mom sez:
nubbins`: "Young Ronnie is just gone off in a cop car. Looks like he's handcuffed. Bozo and Dogface left right after in their car."
mircea_popescu: bozo and dogface ? your folks sound pretty cool.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 77 @ 0.00602382 = 0.4638 BTC [-] {7}
nubbins`: mom had a glass of wine with supper, guess she's all brazen now
mircea_popescu: nubbins` anyway, the comment was a contrived "you should see it multiple times"
nubbins`: aha, i figured as much
TestingUnoDosTre: Alright... this video get's boring between like 0:30 and 1:45, but it produces continual excitement
TestingUnoDosTre: * after that
nubbins`: between that and wall street last night, i ended up remembering that "salesman" was totally a thing that men were, for a while there
nubbins`: so anyway the movie recommendations from you guys are 2 for 2 so far
nubbins`: what's next?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.048 = 0.192 BTC [-] {2}
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ozbot: Trilematograf pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: o look what i found! asciilifeform an excursion in the romanian ribald tradition
nubbins`: hm, i've seen maybe 90% of the english movies you've reviewed
ozbot: Parazitii - Daca Eram (Necenzurat) - YouTube
nubbins`: cannibal holocaust was a piece of shit
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mircea_popescu: it was lol.
mircea_popescu: "Daca eram un canibal si te prindeam cu o urata te luam la pula-n scurt baga-mi-as pula-n ea de strimba."
mircea_popescu: intraductible.
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mircea_popescu: "Daca eram gropar te ingropam drept in ocean si-apoi la vaduva-i bateam, zimbind, cu pula-n geam." if i were an undertaker i'd had undertook you straight to the ocean and then i'd be arround knocking in the widow's window with my inflamed schlong
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell benkay Idea
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: anyone seen revenge of the cheerleaders btw ?
nubbins`: the mint doesn't fuck off with these "9x% sold out!" emails
nubbins`: i read "9x% sold out" and i translate as "we're having a hard time getting rid of these shit coins!"
mircea_popescu: possibly worse than canibal holocaust. also tits and ass.
benkay: what's this notion you have BingoBoingo?
nubbins`: CH borders on Troma territory
nubbins`: like what was the one... I Was a Nymphomaniac Barbarian in Dinosaur Hell, or something?
nubbins` shakes head at the memory
mircea_popescu: nubbins` revenge of the cheerleaders thing is basically "rent an old space opera B set, make some floozies run naked around it"
nubbins`: funny style of revenge
mircea_popescu: it's not that it doesn't make sense
mircea_popescu: it's more that you can't figure out what it doesn't make sense about.
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: "this isn't right. it isn't even wrong"
mircea_popescu: amir speaking in an amir-designed microphone would be a decent approximation
nubbins`: now i'm imagining a man shouting into a sandwich
mircea_popescu: into half a sandwich which for some reason has some packing peanuts glued to a jello tin
nubbins`: "maybe it
nubbins`: 's not turned on"
mircea_popescu: "then why the erection"
nubbins`: pouring drain cleaner on it
nubbins`: stapling it
nubbins`: so we're set to have a -- no joke, this is what they're calling it -- "weather bomb" on wednesday night/thursday morning
mircea_popescu: someone set your weather the bomb ?
TestingUnoDosTre: <BingoBoing> absolutely great article on monopoly house rules
mircea_popescu: your client truncates TestingUnoDosTre
mircea_popescu: davout how the fuck do you have more activity than mpoe-pr
mircea_popescu: do you even sleep!
nubbins`: i even saw davout posting on reddit today
nubbins`: anyway, should be a shit show, since the city laid off 80 of its 130 snow clearing workers this past friday
davout: mircea_popescu: that's because you'll always be a newfag to me :D
nubbins`: resulting in such situations as this:
nubbins`: i fail to find the link
nubbins`: anyway a garbage truck was making its way down a steep road, lost control, picked up TWO CARS parked on the curb and brought them down with it
nubbins`: finally smashed into an SUV at the bottom of the hill, saving the occupants of the adjacent house from certain death
nubbins`: there we go
nubbins`: for reference, that picture was taken 3pm today and the snow stopped falling YESTERDAY.
nubbins`: ah, heh, i actually know that tall garbageman in between the truck and the green car
nubbins`: he always posts facebook status updates about the heavy metal CDs he's listening to in the truck that day, and says things like "heavy metal garbage truck: where long hair is the law"
moiety: evening mews all :)
moiety: hows everyone?
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benkay: i have a beer-suds mewstach, moiety
moiety: excellent work benkay, i have a pressed grape thingamajig here, i dont think it will give me a mewstache though D:
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nubbins`: i'm debating running to the store before it closes
moiety: do it because 5 minutes after it does you will wish you had gone
moiety: or is that just me?
ozbot: Father ordered to leave Canada after choking daughter - Newfoundland & Labrador - CBC News
nubbins`: man throttles daughter in greasy fish-and-chips shack
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benkay: you'd think at 30 he'd be glad to get shot of her
cedivad: "an undeletable tardstalk"
nubbins`: the best part is where it says she secretly already married the guy
cedivad: that's me, yes
moiety: o.o "...went into the washroom to text her boyfriend, who happened to be at the police station laying charges against Alshaek for the earlier incident at the restaurant." well that probably helped the case
nubbins`: cedivad, welcome
nubbins`: the best part is at the end. apparently it was the new husband who should have been choking her
nubbins`: "Alshaek said through an interpreter that if he'd known that, it would have changed everything. Alshaek said he would not longer have been responsible for disciplining his daughter — that would fall to the husband."
nubbins`: the greasy spoon in question is maybe a 5 minute walk from here
TestingUnoDosTre: still truncating/
adolf_fishler: too fat.
adolf_fishler: not fat enough
adolf_fishler: whoa, too much dick
davout: bah
adolf_fishler: who let the man in here
nubbins`: bum shelf
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adolf_fishler: who the fuck is that
pankkake: answer in url
adolf_fishler: someone needs to put that whale
adolf_fishler: back into the sea
benkay: :(
nubbins`: ah fuck the store closes in three minutes
nubbins`: it's too late D:
benkay: that first one was great
pankkake: i thought you wanted fatter
nubbins`: someone recommend a movie
benkay: Tank Girl
nubbins`: veto
adolf_fishler: no you severely underestimated
adolf_fishler: the fattness
adolf_fishler: of my request
adolf_fishler: i want her to be like, cant get out of bed
adolf_fishler: and i have to wash her fat rolls daily
Duffer1: nubbins`someone recommend a movie >> The Secret of Nimh
nubbins`: seen it
benkay: the fourth fast and the furious
Duffer1: The Dark Crystal
nubbins`: seen it
nubbins`: (great movie btw)
benkay: neverending story
moiety: oh btw nubbins` you are the only other person ive met (otherthan who showed it to me) that has seen Funny Games, highly underrated film
nubbins`: guys i'm 32 years old
cazalla: kaci starr is fine for me, love em chubby like that
Duffer1: same nub ^.^
nubbins`: moiety: the silence+breakdown at the end shook me to the core
adolf_fishler: here is not bad
nubbins`: i guess i didn't spec it out enough
nubbins`: recommend a movie for adults that isn't about honda civics
adolf_fishler: what kind of movies
adolf_fishler: u like?>
moiety: the red hair but on the farthest right girl would be perfect
adolf_fishler: matchstick men
adolf_fishler: is a good movie
adolf_fishler: ya she's nice.
moiety: momento nubbins`
nubbins`: an interesting drama or something with intrigue
nubbins`: seen memento
moiety: memento*
adolf_fishler: ITS A GREAT MOVIE
adolf_fishler: it wont disappoint.
moiety: cache
Duffer1: first season of Rick & Morty
nubbins`: nicolas cage, really?
moiety: actually if you thought funny games was disturbing, don't watch cache
adolf_fishler: trust me
adolf_fishler: its his best movie
adolf_fishler: you have to trust me on this one.
nubbins`: that's like saying x is the best altcoin
adolf_fishler: how long have we known each other, TRUST ME
nubbins`: or a blender is the best way to lose your dick
adolf_fishler: it has a good cast
nubbins`: ok, ok, i'll trust you on this
nubbins`: you better not fuck me
adolf_fishler: i wont i promise
adolf_fishler: its a good fucking movie
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benkay: cage
benkay: nubbins`: u gettans trolled
nubbins`: benkay i know right?
moiety: nubbins`: have you seen I come with the rain?
nubbins`: nicolas "the numbers are the key to everything" cage
nubbins`: moiety nope
adolf_fishler: no thats jim " everything adds up to 23 " carey
nubbins`: nah cage did one too
moiety: please do at some point, again disturbing but awesomely done
nubbins`: "knowing" or something
nubbins`: altho that did have an EPIC plane crash
moiety: its pretty violent in bits too though, be aware
nubbins`: the movie itself was such a stack of shit
adolf_fishler: it wasn't great.
adolf_fishler: however it ranks high on the list of
adolf_fishler: cage movies ive seen
adolf_fishler: i like con air
adolf_fishler: it was prett ygodo
adolf_fishler: but that could be a john malcovich movie
adolf_fishler: instead of a cage movie.
nubbins`: actually, being john malkovich is maybe the only cage movie i like
adolf_fishler: cage was in that?
moiety: all i hear is sweet home alabama whenever con air is mentioned
nubbins`: wait fuck that was cusack
nubbins`: HAHAHAH
nubbins`: see?
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: What about "Bad Lieutenant"
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: tried it, stopped about 10m in
Duffer1: Gross Point Blank?
nubbins`: saw it
Duffer1: cusak
adolf_fishler: if ur gonna watch
adolf_fishler: one cage movie
adolf_fishler: make it match stick men
nubbins`: you sure i shouldn't watch the one about the bees?
adolf_fishler: isnt that sienfeld?
ozbot: I Come with the Rain (2009) - IMDb
adolf_fishler: this movie
adolf_fishler: is quite awesome also
ozbot: Cube (1997) - IMDb
nubbins`: saw it
adolf_fishler: cant believe it only gets 7.4
adolf_fishler: u like?
nubbins`: cube is canadian :D
adolf_fishler: i didnt know
nubbins`: acting sucked, great concept
moiety: how do you feel about subtitles nubbins`?
nubbins`: i don't mind em
thestringpuller: ^- random but like wtf
nubbins`: oh also guys, the real fuckbook is back, according to these ads
nubbins`: apparently their site has too many hot women, so older men join free
mircea_popescu: nubbins` clearly not even the google works in canada now that they fired the snowplows.
ozbot: Joheunnom nabbeunnom isanghannom (2008) - IMDb
moiety: The Good The Bad The Weird
mircea_popescu: davout im not that new, i'm like almost bitcoin bodhisattva rank here.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Seen Sharknado yet?
adolf_fishler: that movie
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: except for nanotube
adolf_fishler: is amazing
adolf_fishler: the ending
nubbins`: moiety i'm ruined on korean movies
adolf_fishler: is so epic to sharknado
nubbins`: watched too many of them
cazalla: get with the times, it's all about sharkalanche now
adolf_fishler: how about shocktopus
mircea_popescu: "curb it" ahahaha
moiety: nubbins`: Impossible!
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Which James Bond movies haven't you watched?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: if you're a bodhisattva nanotube is buddha
adolf_fishler: someone ban popescu he doesnt have enough women to be in this channel
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: the most recent ones with daniel craig
mircea_popescu: cedivad o hey, nice work.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Any of those three are actually great.
nubbins`: well matchstick men is at the top of the list for now
nubbins`: but keep em coming
ozbot: Hide and Seek (2005) - IMDb
nubbins`: moiety quotes from that korean movie:
adolf_fishler: i saw that
adolf_fishler: movie was pretty funny
nubbins`: Man-gil: The bounty on your head is 300 won. Yoon Tae-goo: What? I'm only worth a piano? Man-gil: A used one at that.
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre i dunno, do you see BingoBoingo as <BingoBoingo> or <BingoBoing> ?
nubbins`: 300 won is like $0.30
moiety: OMG nubbins` BEST film ever have you seen The Man From Nowhere????? its the best thing ive ever seen
moiety: its like Taken but with bells on
BingoBoingo: ;;ident BingoBoingo
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
cedivad: thank you mircea_popescu
Duffer1: nubbins' Dark City
moiety got excited - spologies
moiety: apologies*
nubbins`: moiety: srsly, i'm ruined on korean movies
nubbins`: i lost count of how many gritty revenge thrillers i saw
nubbins`: Duffer1 saw it
adolf_fishler: i thought u said
moiety: sigh ok, watch I come with the rain , its a thai director but its english language
adolf_fishler: girthy revenge thrillers
adolf_fishler: iwas confused for a sec
mircea_popescu: wait is bodhisattva good ?
mircea_popescu: i thought it was kinda sucky
nubbins`: not sure but it was the name of a dispensary in Weeds
nubbins`: which, incidentally, sucked
thestringpuller: nancy botwin....
nubbins`: so full circle there i guess
thestringpuller: made that show suck
thestringpuller: they should have just killed her off and replaced her
moiety: how many arms does it have? or belly size....generally an indication
mircea_popescu: adolf_fishler which one are you ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you saw true romance ?
adolf_fishler: which one?
mircea_popescu: how about four rooms ?
adolf_fishler: popescu
adolf_fishler: so few people
adolf_fishler: know that movie
adolf_fishler: epic movie
adolf_fishler: wierd as shit but i love it
adolf_fishler: the dead person in the bed is my fav part
nubbins`: four rooms, saw it
mircea_popescu: jackie brown ?
nubbins`: i think bruce willis was uncredited in that
nubbins`: saw it
nubbins`: many times, most recently last month
adolf_fishler: he was great there also
moiety: Donnie Brasco!
nubbins`: saw it
nubbins`: also great
mircea_popescu: casino, bronx story, etc
nubbins`: saw, saw
adolf_fishler: home alone 2
moiety: i love casino but i havent seenbronx story
adolf_fishler: the porno.
mircea_popescu: o i got one you've not seen : hot summer in the city
mircea_popescu: 70s sexploitation.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Maybe instead of watching make the shitty animated version of -assets?
nubbins`: mircea_popescu actually, saw it
nubbins`: i have a friend with a massive collection of blax
nubbins`: blacula, black jesus, etc
nubbins`: blackenstein
moiety: lol blacula
adolf_fishler: how come
mircea_popescu: you gotta send me this.
adolf_fishler: transylvania
adolf_fishler: is associated with dracula?
adolf_fishler: in my mind
nubbins`: adolf_fishler prolly some crossed wires
adolf_fishler: could be
nubbins`: dracula was from ohio
moiety: youve watched too much sesame street adolf_fishler
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you seen white cat, blakc cat ?
adolf_fishler: theres a nintendo game!
nubbins`: nope
BingoBoingo: Ohio is THE worst
mircea_popescu: a, great film. you'll prolly love the music.
nubbins`: yugoslav romantic comedy?!
moiety: wait is there actual cats in this mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: not really romantic in any sense
nubbins`: incidentally i noticed there was some Talking Heads in wall street
Apocalyptic: is four rooms any good ?
mircea_popescu: but bregovic plays.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic definitely.
nubbins`: Apocalyptic its worth a watch
nubbins`: tim roth, pre-tupac
mircea_popescu: moiety just a pair.
Apocalyptic: k guys
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how about sea of love ?
mircea_popescu: old pacino.
nubbins`: haven't seen it, and we have a winner.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` also, malena must see.
nubbins`: so sea of love, gravity, and matchstick men
nubbins` pops corn
mircea_popescu: and spielen with liebe, and for that matter bycicle thieves
mircea_popescu: with lol
nubbins`: liebe und frieden!
BingoBoingo: My goal for the next year. Meet up sort of people to start asking other meetup people if they are me
Duffer1: nubbins' The Fountain
mircea_popescu: also liz taylor'
mircea_popescu: s weird movies. x y and zee
moiety: has anyone seen this i just remember it being really strange
mircea_popescu: oh and vozvrashchenie
mircea_popescu: moiety was so-so
mircea_popescu: thye didn't do nearly enough nudity i nythe 80s
moiety: one of those they focussed too much on making it look a certain way and not on the story
nubbins`: fountain looks ok
mircea_popescu: an entire decade of these completely stranged movies, that are sorta like a 15yo prissy rendition of "risque"
ozbot: Oakville, Washington - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: spermdrops falling on my farm, boy...
Duffer1: nubbins' it wasn't my favorite, but i believe it's underrated
mircea_popescu: nubbins` btw, pink flamingos ?
moiety: lmao @ "handling the blobs"
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mircea_popescu: also malizia (the one with laura antonelli_
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moiety: I have a pink flamingo! frances, slightly stolen from a hawaiian party
mircea_popescu: so basically kraken claims it passed whatgever "proof of reserves" audit thing
mircea_popescu: but there's scores of people ciomplaining they've not received their withdrawals etc
mircea_popescu: on the off chance anyone here was silly enough to have btc there, prolly a good idea to get them out asap, this looks as awful as it getds.
mircea_popescu: moiety tis a film tho.
BingoBoingo: md4 puzzle HEX: 50BF68999A8C67CE26B191DCA5D331A8 or B64: UL9omZqMZ84msZHcpdMxqA==
moiety: mircea_popescu: bubble burst
BingoBoingo: Kraken has been toxic almost as long as vircurex, haven't they?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, much more recent, and originally they looked legit
mircea_popescu: something that never really was the case for vircurex
BingoBoingo: Well they pulled their name after your PR supposed a Pirate like thing named Craken in the famous Posting the called out Pirate
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did they ?
mircea_popescu: RagnarsBitch who the fuck is ragnar ?
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, they just finished a 5 mio funding round
BingoBoingo: Well, WHat came first them or the PR saying how to clone Pirate post?
mircea_popescu: ragnar le viking ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo pirate post was april 2012, kraken was like august 2013ish
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic except they had a 600 btc hole from before.
mircea_popescu: that's 3-4mn of the round.
Apocalyptic: i guess that's why they did it
mircea_popescu: and in general holes are rarely solo.
BingoBoingo: See, the Kraken name's jsut always seemed too toxic.
Apocalyptic: but then kinda dubious why would some potential investors want to patch that hole
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic you saw actual paper that it actually happened ?
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: WHo says they know better?
mircea_popescu: in general nothing keeps someone from claiming they got funded.
Apocalyptic: I didn't
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: "Investors" patched Vircurex's 1000+ BTC hole the first time...
Apocalyptic: true, so you think it's just some PR move on thin air ?
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, unwillingly so
asciilifeform: re: kraken et al: makes me wonder how much chumpatronium fuel is left.
mircea_popescu: i don't think anything any particular way
asciilifeform: do we get to see 'Peak Chump' ?
mircea_popescu: but their pr is spiraling out of control in a certain pattern. that's usually the end sign.
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: You might be confusing that with the second hole in vircurex.
Apocalyptic: I may indeed
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform peak chump actually was 2011.
mircea_popescu: in btc terms
Apocalyptic: haven't followed that vircurex story since the beginning
asciilifeform: '11 was before the fiat world shat forth the 'btc investment phunds' etc
asciilifeform: so perhaps peak chump is now. or, shortly.
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> i don't think anything any particular way // your question seemed to imply otherwise
BingoBoingo: Vircurex went: 1) hole 2) Investment 3) hole boogaloo 4) scam 5) BTC-TC and Buttfunder died 6) Cryptostocks scamissance 7) Advertising "Interest" 8) Freeze Mothafucker
asciilifeform: it's like watching a 'bug zapper'
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic im just not taking anything for granted at this point.
asciilifeform: flitter - flitter - bzzz
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, fair enough
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes but back then 1k btc was peanuts.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Vircurex's AssPO was actually spring 2013
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo well yeah
BingoBoingo: When a BTC was ending it's cheapphase
BingoBoingo: Eh, I know what Imma blogging tonight. Asparagus is going to have to wait.
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BingoBoingo: "Vircurex, never even amateur" seem like a decent title for a Vircurex post?
BingoBoingo: The post is basically going to be "Vircurex went: 1) hole 2) Investment 3) hole boogaloo 4) scam 5) BTC-TC and Buttfunder died 6) Cryptostocks scamissance 7) Advertising "Interest" 8) Freeze Mothafucker" with elaboration
nubbins`: hm, raspberry pi reboots when i insert a usb drive
nubbins`: pretty sure that shouldn't happen
adolf_fishler: try throwing it
adolf_fishler: at your dog
asciilifeform: nubbins`: weak voltage regulator
nubbins`: can't; no case, no dog
MisterE: morning
MisterE: neighbor dog
asciilifeform: nubbins`: raspi is a turd in 20 different ways.
adolf_fishler: nieghhhhbors horse
nubbins`: it's a cat neighbourhood
adolf_fishler: hoa rules?
MisterE: thats why they so cheep
adolf_fishler: no dogs?
nubbins`: asciilifeform: agreed, but it's lovely for streaming media to the tv :D
adolf_fishler: do people walk cats there?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: one of the worst fiddybucks i ever spent
nubbins`: adolf_fishler: occasionally. mostly they just let em wander
MisterE: cat is the internet spirit animal dont fuck with cats
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: find the best cat pictures
BingoBoingo: *finds
nubbins`: asciilifeform: not me, but that's just because i've spent fiddy bucks on terrible shit in the past
adolf_fishler: can i has poland?
adolf_fishler: CAN I HAS POLAND?
adolf_fishler: oh its i can has poland.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not really a good title
mircea_popescu: it's not clear what it's supposed to mean.
nubbins`: adolf_fishler: if matchstick men sucks, you're fucking DEAD
adolf_fishler: if matchstick men sucks
adolf_fishler: ill put on an apron
adolf_fishler: and be ur wife
adolf_fishler: for a week
nubbins`: I HAVE A WIFE
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well I asked for a reason
adolf_fishler: ill come fuck her
adolf_fishler: for a week then
adolf_fishler: hows that sound.
nubbins`: adolf_fishler: no you won't, she doesn't like rice
nubbins`: (see what i did there?)
nubbins` cackles, turns on movie
adolf_fishler: oh u dl already?
adolf_fishler: u guys seen matchstick men?
adolf_fishler: ok i laff
adolf_fishler: in real life
adolf_fishler: what the fuck
BingoBoingo: Those are the ones
mircea_popescu: ok ima have to ignore this dood. too loud.
adolf_fishler: what my enter smashing habbits too much for you?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If our local strays were like that I'd have much less coyote handling to do on my walks
asciilifeform: these aren't housecats, though.
asciilifeform: ;;google manul
gribble: Pallas's cat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <'s_cat>; Manul – the Cat that Time Forgot ~ The Ark In Space: <>; Pallas's Cat Manul - YouTube: <>
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BingoBoingo: Well, coyote handling doesn't involve putting hands to coyotes either
asciilifeform: aha, 'handling' in the german 'Sonderbehandlung' sense.
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asciilifeform: where do you even live that has coyote.
BingoBoingo: Well step 1) spot coyote at a dumpster 2) growl and intimidate coyote away from dumpster 3) Piss on dumpster maintaining eye contact with coyote
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Illinois
BingoBoingo: Rural southern Illinois
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo can women do this ?
BingoBoingo: Prolly
mircea_popescu: you ever seen it done ? or know for a fact ?
moiety: asciilifeform: i have a manul as my profile pic now
BingoBoingo: Not seen women do this. Personally done these steps a few times this winter.
moiety: lol that one is even bigger!!!!!
mircea_popescu: im kinda curious if it'd work.
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Well coyotes aren't that big and I haven't seen them in packs here.
mircea_popescu: the entire thing'd hinge on whether the animal responds to the behaviour or to the chemical.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform interesting, these aren't really cats, more like leopards.
asciilifeform: ~lynx sized, afaik
mircea_popescu: i originally thought they're basically stray cats that took to the wild
mircea_popescu: but seems not
asciilifeform: it's one of those 'not quite extinct' exotic beasts
asciilifeform: for some reason, the archetypical russian lolcat
moiety: lmfao is this cat polite
mircea_popescu: "Like rabbits, after eating they initially produce soft green feces, which they eat again to take in further nutrition, before producing the final, solid, fecal pellets."
moiety: the manul is where modern cast comes from, they havent changed in 12 million years
nubbins`: well matchstick men is a piece of shit so far
asciilifeform: it being 'felis', could probably be crossed with housecat
asciilifeform: paging zoologists.
moiety: cats*
benkay: mircea_popescu: kraken signed with the 600B addy last time i ready
benkay: read*
moiety: i think its a shame they keep them in zoos, they are so solitary their immune systems cant handle living so near people and modern day life, they get sick and die a lot :(
mircea_popescu: benkay sure, but that was never in question. if I have 5 that owe me 600 btc pay to the same one address, the fact that i can prove i have received 600 btc in that address is neither here nor there
mircea_popescu: the fact that i can't univocally resolve their claims is the problem, and decoying it doens't breed confidence.
mircea_popescu: on the contrary, it ruins reputations.
asciilifeform pictures a scammer who provides 'wiggle XXX coin address' service to other scammerz
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i imagine it's coming, but it wouldn't have worked in this case.
moiety: asciilifeform: so basically if i want a job involving manuls, i need to go to uni. sucks.
benkay: HAW
benkay: no shit they signed from an addy that wasn't that to which their 600 missing were sent?
benkay: lawd ahmighty
mircea_popescu: benkay no no it's like this :
mircea_popescu: reports surfaced that they showed the same deposit address(es) to multiple users.
mircea_popescu: those people sent btc there.
asciilifeform: this, for some reason, inescapably reminds me of the folks who sell the fake piss to dope aficionados
mircea_popescu: the fact that they can show that some btc made it there is not relevant.
mircea_popescu: the fact that they can't apportion the sent btc to the various users is the problem
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The way to reduce piss test fraud is to give portions of the tested at times asparagus and other times no asparagus
mircea_popescu: somehow nobody picked on "hey, one address per transaction has its issues as a model" as a result, either.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the common factor isn't the sham, but the lack of any serious desire on the part of the shammed to probe deeper.
MisterE: BingoBoingo, mircea_popescu : this is what you need, will solve all your problems...
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for most of the testees having to eat asparagus prolly qualifies as cruel and unusual.
MisterE: I took that pic, real product
MisterE: Asparagus is delecious
BingoBoingo: MisterE: The thing is coyotes don't make sounds like either dogs or cats, they hoot like owls
MisterE: if not overcooked
BingoBoingo: Asparagus is great
MisterE: hOOters eh?
MisterE: Beware this credit card scam, tons of guys losing money to it!
asciilifeform: moiety: 'so you aren't fond of cats? / then we are coming to you!'
moiety: lololol ty :)
moiety adds to manul collection
adolf_fishler: my question
adolf_fishler: who is the camera man here
MisterE: timer
moiety: "a fresh start (rather than importing the old Full Disclosure member addresses)", ie. he wasn't allowed them
asciilifeform: at this point, burden of proof of lack of diabolical (i.e. nsa) involvement is, sadly, on the curator
asciilifeform: mailing lists 'can also have problems'
ozbot: Two CNN Producers Arrested in Sad Attempt to Break into the WTC Site
ozbot: Secret Service Agents Sent Home From Amsterdam For Partying Too Hard
benkay: this is similar to what happens to american kids when they encounter alcohol for the first time at age 18.
benkay: and similar to what happens to the remaining rule abiding ones who wait until they're 21.
moiety: is it just the scots that start at like, 14-16 then?
benkay: so the local three dee printing get together is an utter crankshow
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asciilifeform: moiety: is it just the scots that start at like, 14-16 << i thought they started at ~ -1
asciilifeform: moiety: do you folks still have 'drambuie' ?
asciilifeform: when i think of scotland, i think of drambuie, haggis, bagpipe, and james clerk maxwell.
asciilifeform: together.
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moiety: thats pretty much it
asciilifeform: who needs more.
moiety: and pey, my aunt lives across the road from a drambuie place
asciilifeform: how many nations have a maxwell.
moiety: shes been given free bottles at christmas time and stuff
asciilifeform: re: drambuie: mendeleev's great discovery wasn't periodic table of elements, but how to make strong drink non-flammable.
asciilifeform: ;;google mendeleev 40 degrees
gribble: Dmitry Mendeleev and 40 degrees of Russian vodka - English ...: <>; History of Russian vodka | Mendeleyev | Original Russian alcoholic ...: <>; Vodka - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>
moiety: also: add cream, its also the best kind of drambuie
asciilifeform: or perhaps not.
moiety: re James Clerk Maxwell, the building named after him and Edinburger uni is pretty immense
moiety: at*
asciilifeform: ;;google the maxwellians
gribble: The Maxwellians (Cornell History of Science): Bruce J. Hunt ...: <>; The Maxwellians by Bruce J. Hunt — Reviews, Discussion ...: <>; The Maxwellians - Bruce J. Hunt - Google Books: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: recommended.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean on cartwright ? or on fyodor ?
mircea_popescu: lol nioce one BingoBoingo
asciilifeform: cartwright?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Which one? The CNN dorks who could not act like white trash?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the original maintainer
mircea_popescu: and wtf you people with your gawker. what the hell is this, we're supposed to be gun totin' libertarians, we reading gawker nao ?!
mircea_popescu: this is a complete breakdown of the system
BingoBoingo: Gawker amazes me in its ability to oscilate between the relevant and the worst fermented turds in the sun
asciilifeform: 'from entomological interest only', as russians say
mircea_popescu: i can;t for the life of me figure how exactly russia taking crimea disqualifies it as an industrialised country.
asciilifeform: 'Like excrement, it contains enough undigested nuggets of nutrition to sustain life for some. But it is not a tasty pie...' - dennis ritchie
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever see film 'mean girls' ?
moiety: this is the best woman in russia
mircea_popescu: im not sure. maybe not
asciilifeform: it merely got kicked out of the 'plastik fantastiks', that's all
benkay: hey smartypants: what's the 3d imaging technique where you use some knowledge of the lens distortion to compute a point cloud?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The thing is Americans based on pre-fracking thought reflexively seem to disqualify nations capable of producing fuel from the ranks of the industrialized and are only beginning to shine that light on themselves
mircea_popescu: ;;google 3d imaging technique where you use some knowledge of the lens distortion to compute a point cloud
gribble: Point cloud densification - Department of Computing Science ...: <>; 2nd Assignment 776-Spring2013_v2: <>; Photogrammetry - Agisoft: <>
moiety: mircea_popescu: if you can remember a time where lindsay lohan had reach puberty but not fucked up on drugs yet (yes it was a small window) that would be mean girls
mircea_popescu: oh i think i know it.
mircea_popescu: sorta the thing that spurred paris hilton's crap, then kardashian's crap etc
benkay: mircea_popescu: why does google work for you and not me
MisterE: Kardashian got famous by being fucked on a reality show iirc?
benkay: photogrammetry, by the way
mircea_popescu: benkay for i am mp, lord of all things ?
mircea_popescu: MisterE but what she was trying to do was a sort of mean girls livetv
MisterE: ahh okj
mircea_popescu: at least that's what i took it for
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: industrial machine vision systems live and die by 'programmetry'
asciilifeform: e.g. pcb inspection
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benkay: wow where'd you find that, asciilifeform ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, i don't see what the fdl brouhaha is all about
mircea_popescu: the dude did it for over a decade
asciilifeform: benkay: places
mircea_popescu: how the fuck long is he supposed to stick with the shtick ?
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asciilifeform: caption: 'girls, calm down'
MisterE: hehe
benkay: just so you know old guys i <3 you and all your wisdom:
benkay: “Really, you got this funded?” Stamos asked. Yes, said the kid. “But it obviously didn’t work out,” Stamos replied. Right, said the kid. At which point Stamos began to piece together what must’ve happened. “You collected the data and realized a lot of the data out there is horrible, and you couldn’t make sense of it,” he said. The kid allowed that this was true. “You probably talked to CVS—everyone talks to CVS. And they tho
benkay: the best thing since sliced cheese, but they were never willing to buy it.” Again the kid said yes. “Then you realized that anything you’re doing that has to be regulated, like making medical recommendations, requires FDA approval.” By now the kid was demanding to know how Stamos had guessed all of this. “You see these gray hairs?” he said. “It’s the classic model everyone goes through. I know it from Phase Forward.”
mircea_popescu: i think i wrote this somewhere.
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asciilifeform: ;;google knowing which screw
moiety: sorry went on a hot croissant/coffee mission
moiety: asciilifeform: ok ok fair point, best news reader in russia
mircea_popescu: that first post is incredibly retarded.
asciilifeform: no idea what's in there
mircea_popescu: "i dunno man, i justr google here"
asciilifeform: ought to be, the ancient legend of 'penny - turn screw, $maxint - 0.01 - which screw'
mircea_popescu: it is yea
mircea_popescu: some fucktarded "life coach" or w/e shits all over it.
asciilifeform: ;;yandex foobar
gribble: Error: "yandex" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: wtf is a life coach
mircea_popescu: some derp that's trying to make a living out of conferences, and looking for sponsors
benkay: 'statistics' aside, "Jones found that people in their thirties contributed about 40 percent of the innovations, and those in their forties about 30 percent. People over 50 were responsible for 14 percent, the same share as the twentysomethings. Those under the age of 19 were responsible for exactly nothing."
mircea_popescu: but under survival pressure has curtailed the conference to just two people
mircea_popescu: and would like you to pick up the tab.
benkay: i guess buterin just misses the cutoff.
mircea_popescu: benkay yeah because "innovations" are now commodified, like brent
benkay: mhm
benkay: you just sink wells randomly, right?
mircea_popescu: author should just make some hamburger already.
benkay: couldn't possibly predict where the sweet stuff is.
asciilifeform: re: commoditized 'innovation' - here's a snipped from me turdbox. translation of a page in pelevin's epic 'snuff' (the one with s/ukraine/orkaine, 'orcs', etc)
asciilifeform: - How come they use the word "sommelier"? - he asked yet another stupid question, - So many different professions, but only one word...
asciilifeform: - That's what they used to call servants who fetched wine. They had big lists of wines, from which gentlemen could choose. And later, this is what they started to call people who dealt in what was once considered creativity.
asciilifeform: - People had already devised all necessary things. Once, long ago, mankind developed in leaps and bounds - not only did the objects around us change constantly, but so did the words we used. In those days there were a great many names for a creative person - engineer, poet, scholar. And all of them constantly invented new things. But that was mankind's childhood. And then it reached maturity. Creativity did no
asciilifeform: t vanish - but it was reduced to choosing from that which had already been created. Figuratively speaking, we no longer grow grapes. We send for a bottle from the cellar. People who carry out this task, we call "sommeliers."
BingoBoingo: ;;ud derp
gribble: | A simple, undefined reply when an ignorant comment or action is made. Brought to life in the South Park series, when Mr. Derp made a guest apperanc...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: derp
BingoBoingo: ;;ud herp
gribble: | Herp. The prefix of "derp". Usually used when saying something foolish. Person 1 : Does anybody know why I can't get my TV to turn on? Person 2: Try plugging ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: herp
moiety: my guess i began with someone trying to tell a noob they were more skilled/important than they actually were asciilifeform
moiety: it*
ozbot: S.N.U.F.F. - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
mircea_popescu: moiety probably in a quest to get in her panties.
mircea_popescu: which probably worked, which is why it got perpetuated.
mircea_popescu: I BLAME WOMEN!
asciilifeform: nitpick with pediwikia - the 'batman' in the epic is not wearing a 'batman' costume. he's a bloke who smashes heads with a baseball bat.
asciilifeform: (can you imagine the word 'batman' being remembered as something else?)
moiety: baby daddy is so cool, he's a sommelier you know
mircea_popescu: sooo... aaron spelling is just re-doing the same shit over and over
VanCleef: anyone heard an update from sfi?
mircea_popescu: this baby daddy thing looks exactly like bh20910 or w/e it was
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I'd never forget Birthday logs
asciilifeform: i can't help but think of the 'derp' from that tale, when i see the word, because - believe it or not - i heard it there before elsewhere.
asciilifeform: whereas 'herp' inescapably conjures up herpetaria. or perhaps herpes.
VanCleef: IRS Declares Bitcoin Is Property and Must Be Taxed As Such.....?
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moiety: this conversation prompted me to check on our site. my manul doesn't look happy with the cat next to him
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moiety: VanCleef: question is, did anyone listen to irs?
VanCleef: not sure moiety but this is pretty bad
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Derpasaurii as a construction necessitation clarifying relations between herp and derp
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ended up misreading as 'Depresaurii'
asciilifeform: depressed/deprecated megafauna
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, that may be usefull as I turn my notes into a post.
BingoBoingo: They are one of the first ventures in this space I was a customer of
BingoBoingo: I depreciated them from my doings when after hack #1 they revealed they made an exchange on RoR
asciilifeform: speaking of terminology, is there a... 'suburban dictionary' ? 'rural dictionary' ?
BingoBoingo: At that point I imagine they fragment too much
asciilifeform: ;;ud RoR
gribble: | ROR. Abbreviated form of "Raughing out Roud". ROR! I rike fried wice. by www. July 13, 2003. 414 73. Mugs & shirts Buy “ROR” mugs & shirts  ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: ROR
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo much better title :p
BingoBoingo: Thanks mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: I thought suggesting a 13/16 time signature for a reading cadence at the start might get the gravity of the reading going
BingoBoingo: Publishing the quote untitled with simply notes 1 and 2 was also something I weighed
KRS-One: .bai
KRS-One: .bait
BingoBoingo: I have so many vircurex notes
BingoBoingo: If anyone just wants to ask questions and scoop a part of this, I'd be cool with that
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