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decimation: my point: his job is exactly to find the one-off's and worry about their retention. What possible "systematic approach" exists, even in theory?
MisterE: that the order certifying the class?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform kernel-in-rom never caught on because these fuckwits want to keep versioning everything all the time. gotta upgrade!!1
asciilifeform: upgrade all day - just turn the key.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well he's mastered them so...
asciilifeform: anyone else notice how you more or less can't buy antifuse roms any more?
asciilifeform: just flash that programmatically refuses (or promises to refuse) writing a second time
dignork: asciilifeform, there are OTP chips, you're saying they can be rewritten?
mircea_popescu: dude what's with all this derpage. avatrade ? future of crypto trading ? what the hell.
asciilifeform: dignork: i can't promise to re-write one on demand - but they're 'flash' inside.
asciilifeform: dignork: notice that the same part number typically comes in a UV window version.
asciilifeform: now go and try to buy a 1980s style antifuse ROM that actually burns
asciilifeform: i.e. fuses blow when you write it.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell decimation the following systematic approach : "you will be born anyway, need to work anyway. why should you be paid ?"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00094424 = 10.3866 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: oh look, another blockchain crawler : https://coinb.in/
dignork: asciilifeform, I never actually looked into these chips, but wikipedia says empty PROM is filled with 1's, and you're irreversibly burning 0's
dignork: asciilifeform, so later you can burn some more 0'...
asciilifeform: now try to buy one.
mircea_popescu: dignork it'd be an extremely rare case where that actually works tho
asciilifeform: incidentally, this reminds me of a scheme i came up with for re-writing 'cd-r' disks, before the rewritable kind was available
asciilifeform: using 'gray code'. alert reader can probably figure out how it worked.
asciilifeform: how many 'brain cycles' we've all wasted on obsolete tech!
mircea_popescu: "I stumbled upon this brilliant piece of journalism written by one “Mircea Popescu”. The title of the article reads “Why Dogecoin is a scam…” and the contents are amusing."
mircea_popescu: at least we're using the brain cycles on things that actually exist.
mircea_popescu: how many brain cycles have various anon derps wasted on rehashing their imaginary worlds ?
asciilifeform: the folks who understand their worlds being imaginary, i've no problem with.
dignork: asciilifeform, well, I have this http://www.nordicsemi.com/eng/Products/2.4GHz-RF/nRF24LE1-OTP on hand, but I don't have equipment to actually look at the chip structure though :(
mircea_popescu: well the others you really can't have a problem with. because who'd you have a problem with ? they're not here.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, fico lost!
dignork: asciilifeform, it's a complex device containing OTP, so not a strict match
Apocalyptic: yeah mircea_popescu, i'm so happy
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic hm ?
Apocalyptic: fico is the last thing slovakia needs right now
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00094694 = 17.8972 BTC [+]
tg2: It's there any traction to have the irs change their stance on btc?
tg2: They basically made it a paperwork disaster to actually tax it
chetty: get the IRS to change? you ARE joking?
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
mircea_popescu: so apparently lmb gifted itself a hefty 28% equity stake post-ipo ?
tg2: Well who votes on tax rates
tg2: Not the irs
tg2: Ergo they should be susceptible to change
chetty: no one votes on IRS rules
tg2: The irs only collects
MisterE: no they made powerful administrative rules too
tg2: Voted on by... ?
tg2: C ca
tg2: There should be an avenue to have those rules revised
chetty: rules and regulations ... no one votes
MisterE: they have an internal committee of bureaucrats probably
MisterE: might take public comment
Apocalyptic: this jimmothy guy is halirious
Apocalyptic: *hilarious
Apocalyptic: damn i need to sleep
mircea_popescu: so go sleep
mircea_popescu: it ain't going anywhere.
tg2: They have their irc code
tg2: Federal court ruling sits higher than agency interpretive regulations
nubbins`: jimmothy
nubbins`: pretty sure he's a paid shill for whoever has a buck
tg2: And IRS Revenue Rulings, which I would assume the btc guidance fell under
MisterE: yea but challenging those regulations is not possible for mere mortals
nubbins`: also, neobee: lel
MisterE: heh yea
tg2: one might assume that those remain attainable for somebody
tg2: If there was a landmark supreme court case
Apocalyptic: too bad TAT is mixed up in this
tg2: It feels like the irs just said "here's our stance" and left the door open to an overriding ruling from a larger authority
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: such lels
nubbins`: Apocalyptic: might as well read the whole day
ThickAsThieves: <mircea_popescu> so apparently lmb gifted itself a hefty 28% equity stake post-ipo /// To my knowledge LMB never gifted itself anything nor moved shares to Havelock
ThickAsThieves: there was a portion seperately allocated for employee program of some sort I think, not tradable
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, here's the problem :
mircea_popescu: Public investors currently hold 5,042,638 LMB Holdings shares (31.5164875% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 10,957,362 shares 68.4835125% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK).
mircea_popescu: this is an update of the previous version, which read :
mircea_popescu: Public investors will hold 9,600,000 LMB Holdings shares (60% of the profits), whilst LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK) shall hold 6,400,000 shares (40% of the profits), for a total of 16,000,000 LMB Holdings virtual shares, which represent 100% of the global profits of the LMB Subsidiaries Limited (UK).
ThickAsThieves: basically the unsold shares sat unsold afaik
mircea_popescu: the net effect of this change is for lmb to gift itself a significant portion of the equity.
ThickAsThieves: only the 31% wouldve been eligible for the initial divs
mircea_popescu: the figures seem to be 68.4x% and 40%.
nubbins`: but that's 28.x% for free
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.65252998 = 1.9576 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: i guess this is why no gpg contract = scam, pretty much.
mircea_popescu: as far as i know every pdf-ipo to date has done this sort of thing
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 4 @ 0.04539999 = 0.1816 BTC [+]
tg2: Unfortunately there is no reprimand even declaring profitability
Apocalyptic: nubbins`, thanks for the link, i'm reading
mircea_popescu: tg2 that didn't parse.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65253014 BTC [+]
tg2: S/reprimand/consequence
tg2: Falsely declaring profitability
tg2: Who is keeping the company truthful about their earnings
tg2: ie rent
mod6: oops
mircea_popescu: this is a major problem, generally speaking.
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: nubbins` myeah.
tg2: I have a model which would be great for this kind of transparency
nubbins`: on the bright side, a bunch of people in cyprus got several months worth of salary that they wouldn't have had otherwise
nubbins`: so there's that
nubbins`: practically a success
xdotcomm_: tg2: what model?
tg2: Marketplace
xdotcomm_: like ebay
tg2: No, a good one
xdotcomm_: or like nyse
tg2: Marketplace for anything
xdotcomm_: elaborate please
xdotcomm_: like craigslist?
tg2: Like a decentralized craigslist
xdotcomm_: problem with craigslist is there is no rankings
tg2: Yeah
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: just pasting things here
tg2: That and their code is from 1999
nubbins`: no big deal
nubbins`: xdotcomm_, tg2: those are problems?
tg2: Can be, yes
xdotcomm_: its tough because you gotta make it so much better then craigslist + ebay ... otherwise no go.. they already have the masses
nubbins`: #bitcoin-assets: where $150m/y is a problem
mircea_popescu: "The trading is simply frozen; unless they tore down the building and sold the rubble Im pretty sure that NEO's offices will be open come Monday."
mircea_popescu: wait, the theory is that these people bought an office building too ?!
tg2: Kijiji shits on craigslist
mircea_popescu: !t h neobee
assbot: [HAVELOCK:NEOBEE] 1D: / 0 / (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.00155000 / 0.0024427 / 0.00327700 (113780 shares, 277.92986804 BTC), 30D: 0.00155000 / 0.00351926 / 0.00567777 (493675 shares, 1737.37018237 BTC)
xdotcomm_: 5 to 10x better for early adapters and 10 to 20 for the masses
xdotcomm_: tg2: kijji > craigslist thats y in Canada its #1
tg2: Eventually it'll take over in the us
xdotcomm_: they will never end http://digitalinterface.blogspot.ca/2014/03/strangecoin-proposal-for-nonlinear.html
tg2: Ebay owns it
xdotcomm_: yea
ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1149 blocks | Estimated Change: 14.7374% in 6d 19h 11m 34s
TestingUnoDosTre: alright I've asked this before, but I got disconnected. Why does gribble have such a lower prediction for next difficulty compared to bitcoinwisdom. Is one sampling way more or way less blocks than the other?
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre perhaps check the log ?
TestingUnoDosTre: ahhh yes. There was some lag inbetween when I was checking it and disconnected
TestingUnoDosTre: now it should be good
TestingUnoDosTre: scratch that, it looks like no one answered
nubbins`: no, i remember someone answering
mircea_popescu: what, you get different logs where you live ?
Apocalyptic: depends if kako has edited it or not I guess
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: kako, editor of logs
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5978604#msg5978604 check out this epic shit. apparently i'm a bad person because i don't suck now.
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
TestingUnoDosTre: ahhh thank you
mircea_popescu: [\\\] da fuck is that supposed to be
nubbins`: heheh
TestingUnoDosTre: it says bitcoinwisdom uses a mix of 2016 long term linear and 504 short term linear to estimate
mircea_popescu: this andy greenberg imbecile is really getting my goat.
TestingUnoDosTre: at least that's what one redditor claimed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00094615 = 7.5692 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: poor finley already said he's not it. actually, what he said was, "i could claim it and go to my grave a celebrated inventor. it'd be sweet. however... i did not do it, sadly. stop hounding me."
mircea_popescu: what does forshitbes do ? hounds him.
mircea_popescu: journos belong in penal colonies,
mircea_popescu: and i'm not even tyrant yet./
[\]: woah
[\]: so I'm late to the party
[\]: NeoBee has pulled a runner?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.65 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: [\\\] well they're having a great weekend so far.
[\]: and isn't NeoBee the guys helping 'fix' bitfunder/weex?
[\]: aren't*
dexX7: "Danny doesn't need to talk directly to shareholders and customers." ... wow, reaching that point was faster then i expected (i didn't at all)
mircea_popescu: [\\\] they were the guys that spoke out of turn on the topic and then never brought it up again.
mircea_popescu: dexX7 you just think so because you're a one man band that never leaves his appartment.
mircea_popescu: if you were rich and successful you'd see.
nubbins`: someone should just IPO a series of magazine ads and six months salary and get it over with
[\]: lol
nubbins`: give up the facade
[\]: brilliant idea
nubbins`: just found a wart on my finger. turns out it's dough.
nubbins` fist-pumps
mircea_popescu: nubbins` in point of case, it's a major improvement over the previous stuff
mircea_popescu: which did google ads at best.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.65 = 1.3 BTC [-]
bocobit: hows it going guys
bocobit: i've got a question
Duffer1: ni hao
bocobit: why doesn't Andreas Antnonopoulos have a wiki?
mircea_popescu: perhaps he didn't install one ?
Duffer1: he's a speaker
dignork: bocobit, he wrote a book instead :)
bocobit: I'm just trying to find out some info on him like where he's from/ past work ect.
mircea_popescu: bocobit why not just ask him ?
mircea_popescu: has a twitter or an email or something im sure ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.63174527 = 1.2635 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: 3:17am, nice
nubbins`: i mean
nubbins`: nite
nubbins`: (not nice)
mircea_popescu: Nighty Nubbins
mircea_popescu: stop deing bifficult.
nubbins`: NOODGIGHT
mircea_popescu: "Some men enjoy dancing with other men without their tops on while others prefer the company of a woman two KFC family buckets away from upsetting the planet's rotational axis."
mircea_popescu: this dude can lay down the webhurt lawl.
dexX7: hm? what would i see, if i were rich and successful?
mircea_popescu: dexX7 how would i know ?
mircea_popescu: (i'm just being very sarcastic because that thread's too funny to do anything else)
[\]: neo pr was active for a week after their last post
andyfletcher: dexX7, you would have to tell us which direction you were looking
dexX7: hehe k
mircea_popescu: but generally speaking, you would be seeing cleavage.
andyfletcher: assuming the lights are on
tg2: Pleural form of cleavage
mircea_popescu: i think if you're rich and successful one of the perks is that you can see cleavage even through the dark.
mircea_popescu: or clothes.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 476.06, Best ask: 479.14, Bid-ask spread: 3.08000, Last trade: 479.43, 24 hour volume: 10237.77098943, 24 hour low: 473.67, 24 hour high: 506.41, 24 hour vwap: 492.153544837
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05566386 = 0.4453 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: i thought there was supposed to be super-duper heavy support at 500
mircea_popescu: what scam is this!
ThickAsThieves: enky says 430 or thereabouts
ThickAsThieves: i'm inclined to agree
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3000 @ 0.00012 = 0.36 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2600 @ 0.00012001 = 0.312 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0454 = 0.1362 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0458 = 0.229 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "Nearly 1,900 Veterans Committed Suicide In Just 2014 Alone"
mircea_popescu: i guess the bankers aren't suddenly all that exceptional.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0459 = 0.2295 BTC [+]
andyfletcher: wonder how many died on deployment in the same period
ozbot: iCasualties | Operation Enduring Freedom | Afghanistan
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 80 @ 0.00586892 = 0.4695 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: hey!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.62500105 = 1.25 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: i'm not dead yet, despite your best efforts
benkay: although all of my calories are ethanol derived
benkay: someone told me this is unhealthy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.62044563 = 6.8249 BTC [-] {7}
benkay: !l m s.mpoe
assbot: Last trade for S.MPOE on MPEX was at 0.00094615 BTC [-]
benkay: !l h rent
assbot: Last trade for RENT on HAVELOCK was at 0.0073 BTC [+]
benkay: the next rent round is almost not bullshit, youse guise?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;later tell tg2 llolzlzolozlzolzolol self-stopping doors
gribble: The operation succeeded.
tg2: Later while online thxm8
benkay: u think i ams no tab compl?
benkay: the tg2 operators nevar sleep
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 543 @ 0.00616386 = 3.347 BTC [-] {10}
benkay: moiety: you have great taste in chain
tg2: benkay your segway doesn't even have doors how would you understand this market
benkay: segue?
benkay: to something interdasting i hope
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 11 @ 0.61125954 = 6.7239 BTC [-] {3}
xdotcomm_: benkay: i saw portlandia today ... is it based on your personality?
benkay: oh, both socks at once?
benkay: guys u gotta do betta
tg2: how hard we gotta sock
tg2: last time a sock gave you this much pleasure it ended up stuck to the laundry hamper
benkay: brilli-allent
tg2: > concept of friendship foreign, must be socks
tg2: ;;ident benkay
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net', is not identified.
tg2: gpg up noob
benkay: if only you got to do that
tg2: if only we ate our own dogfood
mircea_popescu: tg2 soo, you two are friends ?
tg2: which two?!
benkay: tg2 and xdotcomm_ , sitting in a tree
tg2: xdotcomm_ is my deputy sock obv
benkay: (f.e.l.l.a.t.i.n.g.)
benkay: anyways, upstairs sez beers.
benkay: night, gents.
xdotcomm_: mircea_popescu: we have known each other... but none of us has helped one another move
tg2: lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05719913 = 0.2288 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: xdotcomm_ lol i c
xdotcomm_: in north america you can only be friends if you move couches for each other during moves
tg2: we are the best of business friends but the worst of IRL friends
tg2: this guy sold me a broken gong
xdotcomm_: 99% online relationship
mircea_popescu: o i thought "help each other move" is when you seduce the other's wife and so now he has to find a motel.
tg2: and then never even gave it to me
xdotcomm_: tg2: sold a server as well then stole it back
tg2: ;;rate xdotcomm_ -10 sold me a broken gong and then never even gave it to me
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
xdotcomm_: ive been trying to pay back for years for that
tg2: sells me a server "sick deal bro, dual quad core xeon 32G ram"
xdotcomm_: SSD!
tg2: wake up the next day
tg2: car windows smashed in
tg2: server no longer there
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0463 = 0.1389 BTC [+]
tg2: i'm gonna reck ur otc rating when I get one
xdotcomm_: i need to get the weight of unfairness shifted somehow
xdotcomm_: been trying hard
xdotcomm_: for party bring magnum vodka bottle...
tg2: who's gonna administer the bet on bitbet about how long until one of us gets rating
xdotcomm_: we can cheat and sell cheap btc
xdotcomm_: @ loss
tg2: solid biz plan
xdotcomm_: get best strippers for the party
xdotcomm_: i try hard
TestingUnoDosTre: rate xdotcomm 2 . comment this guy has no clue how much tell sell btc for
tg2: lol
xdotcomm_: for realz
tg2: for real tho he called the doge spike about 2 hours before it climed from 54 to 290
tg2: made me lots of btc's
tg2: off of scrubcoins
xdotcomm_: it was a savant moment
tg2: now its going back there
tg2: lol
xdotcomm_: i can just give access to my tranny paysite to everyone in this chan.. probably get mad ratings
xdotcomm_: exclusive tranny contents
tg2: mpex crashes, havelock closes
tg2: ghost chan
ozbot: Taco Bell President Says Canada Will Get Breakfast 'When You Take Justin Bieber Back' | Foodbeast
TestingUnoDosTre: can't stop salivating when I see the price lately
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5300 @ 0.00094607 = 5.0142 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00094607 = 16.5562 BTC [-]
bounce: asciilifeform: point was rather that the acorn archimedes is closer to a modern computer than an 80s micro.
bounce: bit like stuffing qnx+photon in flashrom. might even be doable if you can find coreboot-supported hardware.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.069897 = 0.1398 BTC [-]
ozbot: If you back a Kickstarter project that sells for $2 billion, do you deserve to get rich? | The Verge
GreenBits: hi all
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8483 @ 0.00094545 = 8.0203 BTC [-]
chetty: Greetins GreenBits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 50 @ 0.00620002 = 0.31 BTC [-]
MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/
ozbot: Oculus Rift: Step Into the Game by Oculus » Comments — Kickstarter
MisterE: ^ Says it better than I could
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64989888 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.64952249 = 2.5981 BTC [-] {4}
cazalla: why sell MisterE
cazalla: just keep stackin'
ozbot: [ANN][KAR] KARPELESCOIN | OPEN POOL REGISTRATION | LAUNCH Mar 30 12:00 PM
punkman1: hah 3KARPE1ESwHERE1SoUrMoNEYxxxx8dXeC5
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.653 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00094609 = 9.0825 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1047 @ 0.00012001 = 0.1257 BTC [-]
ozbot: Nigeria Coin - Coin for Nigeria - YouTube
andyfletcher has inherited 1,000,00 NigeriaCoin from a relative in Lagos and needs help transferring them
punkman1: I will trade you 1000 KarpelesCoin for it
andyfletcher: no thanks KarpelesCoins look scammy
punkman1: I heard neobee is launching a coin this week
punkman1: but you can only buy ads with it
cazalla: oops, wrong one, this one is more like nigeria coin https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iqQcNqfTDU
ozbot: Is this the most farcical use of taxpayers' money ever: Ethiopian gets legal aid from UK - to sue us
punkman1: so a farmer gets legal aid from UK, to sue the UK for sending too much money
punkman1: makes sense I guess
andyfletcher: Bit of a gray area. If UK foreign aid is supporting regimes who are abusing the local population then I don't have too much of an issue with a legal aided challenge to it regardless of who is doing the challenge
andyfletcher: After all, the locals are the ones with legal 'standing' in the matter
chetty: a bit messy in court when the taxpayer is funding both sides
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2153 @ 0.00094543 = 2.0355 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8970 @ 0.00094615 = 8.487 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.06750332 = 0.27 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8200 @ 0.00094809 = 7.7743 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 746 @ 0.00094809 = 0.7073 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00094462 = 3.9674 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1550 @ 0.00013205 = 0.2047 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 6 @ 0.078 = 0.468 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 70 @ 0.00718998 = 0.5033 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.067501 = 0.7425 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.06612 = 0.1984 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.06612 = 0.529 BTC [-] {2}
MGK: I heard this is the center of bitcoin, hello center
MisterE: hello 450 :)
chetty: hiya MGK
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.065 = 0.195 BTC [-]
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
mircea_popescu: pls to have informations ty.
psterryl: the more herp talks the more he comes across as extremely paranoid and pretty delusional
mircea_popescu: ahh that thread is too delicious
moiety: bitpop is still going?! ffs
mircea_popescu: o look who's here. when did the menuls let you out of the cage moiety ?
moiety: earlier, but i went to do things (mothers day here) - thats why they released me XD how are you mircea_popescu?
mircea_popescu: oh you know, all butthurt about how nobody is using mpex anymore because i'm a dinosaur
mircea_popescu: here in my old apartment, with the chains...
moiety hands mircea_popescu the tissues
moiety: there there
mircea_popescu: and this half pound of hand made chocolate pralines i bought yesterday from the... uh... from the pantry
moiety: pralines are ace, they should numb the pain
mircea_popescu: oh, but nothing can ever dull the pain of dissaproval by a bunch of anon tards on a forum somewhere.
mircea_popescu: that's the worst.
moiety: do you not still have the form i gave you? to the logs!
mircea_popescu: i really am having too much fun online these days.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck would one not is the question. this beats anything steve martin ever did.
moiety: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5981543#msg5981543 this thread has me reading the forum again and the dank bank
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
mircea_popescu: the dank bank was epic lmao. -pr sends me the link with "you have to check this out" in the comment field, which you know, the fuck do i know what it is ?
mircea_popescu: totally blindsided me, i was roaring laughing.
moiety: me too lol insta-watch list addition for me
mircea_popescu: i think there's enough material of good crazy quality on that forum so far to hack the borg cube.
mircea_popescu: just you know... hash it, or something.
moiety: lololol more than enough
moiety: its the only reason to be there really, for me anyways
mircea_popescu: this is what, the... fourth installment of "we shall make our own webexchange and become rich out of lunch money" attempt that blew up ?
mircea_popescu: definitely looking forward to 2015.
moiety: XD only four?
andyfletcher is waiting for the headline "N&B CEO: Aliens ate our btc"
moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=444700.0 this is you isn't it?!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: andyfletcher you happen to have that pic of 5 people, neo "ceo" guy on left, tuur guy next to him then 3 actual adults ?
deadweasel: the forums are seething with ignorance, I should block bitcointalk at the router.
mircea_popescu: some guy from the local uni etc
moiety: but but comedy
andyfletcher doesn't have the pic, but can imagine it
deadweasel: I can't block it, it's too rich.
MGK: where can I mine for PPS?
moiety: i've had a fair bit of idiocy to catch up on after ignoring btctalk existance for quite some time
mircea_popescu: MGK which are those ?
MGK: Pay Per Share
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/V40ebZQ.jpg it was something like that.
MGK: any pools still use that payment method?
mircea_popescu: MGK o you mean pools ? hm.
mircea_popescu: probably not. wasn't it eminently defraudable in some manner ?
MGK: yes pool that has PPS payment option
moiety: irrelevant but that room is gorgeous
mircea_popescu: well i imagine it musta been reasonably expensive.
MGK: Not totally sure
moiety: why do these places pair gorgeous ceilings with awful carpetting?! everywhere!
chetty: cause trolls have muddy feet
mircea_popescu: moiety it's an expense thing. expensive carpeting is expensive to maintain. gorgeous ceilings are a one time only sort of expense.
moiety: good point.. let them have linoleum!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 312 @ 0.00088832 = 0.2772 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 200 @ 0.00088832 = 0.1777 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: "let them have linoleum and aim for the stars!"
moiety: could veen be marble pattern...
moiety: even*
moiety: imagine ukraine voted in darth vader.. what are they thinking running?!
MGK: anyone know how much IXC is or what that even is? and is dev coin worth anything?
mircea_popescu: you'll find few people here care about altcoins, outside perhaps atc and ltc, or to make fun of dodge.
MGK: only asked because ghash.io gives me them for mining bitcoin on their pool
MGK: and I have a decent amount now figured id ask about them
ThickAsThieves: i'd it stands for intraexchange currency
ThickAsThieves: and they probably issue it themselves as a token of some sort
ThickAsThieves: ;;google what is IXC at ghash.io
MGK: you cant trade IXC or Dev on their exchange so why would they hand them out? Must not be worth anything is what im thinking
ThickAsThieves: "The Inter eXchange Coin"
punkman1: just an old altcoin that can be merge-mined
MGK: thanks
ThickAsThieves: thank google
mircea_popescu: i suppose merge mining does that, there'll be lots of abandocoins
ThickAsThieves: you should check it out: www.google.com
mircea_popescu: ie, stuff nobody cares about anymore but since they're merge-mined there's plenty floating around
MGK: wow never heard of google, great find!
ThickAsThieves: it's hit and miss, but useful
mircea_popescu: I wonder if there's anyone who actually said this honestly today, somewhere on the planet
punkman1: likely
mircea_popescu: how tho. i mean most browsers ship with it embedded
punkman1: well kids are being born every second
mircea_popescu: but much akin people of the 90s though the blue ms explorer icon was "the internet"
mircea_popescu: just so people of the 2010s at that level have no particular understanding of google as apart from the normal functioning of their browser
ThickAsThieves: well you did say anyone in the world
ThickAsThieves: plenty in remote areas never heard of it i assume
ThickAsThieves: 90yo grandmas in developing countries
ThickAsThieves: grammy this is google!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06611111 = 0.6611 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: trying to imagine the world is such a mind boggling exercise.
ozbot: [ANN] Litecoin [LTC] X11 hardfork at block 564,480
MGK: have you ever travelled much?
mircea_popescu: MGK yes.
mircea_popescu: punkman1 ouch.
punkman1: alt-altcoin
mircea_popescu: MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ << that's how fortunes are made.
mircea_popescu: other people's, but what's in a genitive.
mircea_popescu: "To lower the footprint of LTC and retain GPU mineability, the algorithm of our choice is X11." footprint in what sense ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9150 @ 0.00094462 = 8.6433 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: has "footprint" become one of those words ?
punkman1: environmental footprint most likely
mircea_popescu: but gpus are pretty inefficient
punkman1: and these people are not people
mircea_popescu: course it makes exactly zero difference, in the end.
mircea_popescu: people will expend as much energy as they're willing to expend, how many hashes that yields is a purely conventional measure
ThickAsThieves: I do wonder if LTC ASICs will kill it
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well, the forum crowd still hoping to "strike it rich" on their ten bux will proclaim it dead
mircea_popescu: or "a scam", either way.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 442.9, Best ask: 447.26, Bid-ask spread: 4.36000, Last trade: 442.9, 24 hour volume: 18908.29228525, 24 hour low: 442.89, 24 hour high: 501.9, 24 hour vwap: 473.125631005
ThickAsThieves: looks like that bottom will be put to the test
mircea_popescu: but that aside ltc was always an iffy proposition. and contrary to what the proponents were screaming, it hasn't really been lifted by btc so much.
ThickAsThieves: to me its only offer was pretty much what Altcoin proclaims
ThickAsThieves: to be the clearest alt in the fog
ThickAsThieves: but the fog is so thick now
ThickAsThieves: and newcomers cant see it
ThickAsThieves: to newcomers ltc has to win on the same ground as any other alt
mircea_popescu: i think this is actually true.
mircea_popescu: as outlandish as it may sound
turbo_ac100: (16:37:25) mircea_popescu: MisterE: heh, I got a little nervous nelly today, thought we were going to test 400, so I sold some coin for 484 that I bought at 505 :/ << that's how fortunes are made. << oracle of delphi, alexander the great
ThickAsThieves: all it has left, is its liquidity
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves the liquidity problem of a crypto coin is problematic. i could present the following argument that atc actually has better liquidity :
mircea_popescu: the ratio between people willing to buy to support it and people needing to sell to pay for their mining is better.
MisterE: stamp testing 440 so not feeling too bad about it ;)
mircea_popescu: MisterE you already booked your loss no matter what other things happen around you.
MisterE: yep
ThickAsThieves: however, I also suspect LTC may be used for money laundering
mircea_popescu: see, i bought 60 coins for 1k dollars in 2011. all through 2012 this was ~1k dollars loss.
ThickAsThieves: which makes a market for it
mircea_popescu: however, i never realised it, and so i can book a gain on that buy now if i feel like it.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves what does that even mena ?
ThickAsThieves: well people selling btc for ltc trying to mix things
MisterE: trying to use the ratio to coin up
VanCleef: mircea needs to cash out and drive it back to single digits
moiety: my arsedness to deal with alts depletes everyday
ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty:6,029,609,483 (+20.43%)
VanCleef: this bitcoiner that works upstairs from my office just jumped out from his window
deadweasel: suicide?
[KS]: MP: you have some fans in teh Neo thread :)
ThickAsThieves: are you gonna pick his pockets?
VanCleef: #bitcoinsucidehelpline
ThickAsThieves: KS I think some of the quotes of MP you posted might be out of context
ThickAsThieves: the first two lines, I think he was talking about Litecoin
ThickAsThieves: but maybe not...
ozbot: Twitter / RPMCBC: Now playing ... uh.. D**k Surgery ...
nubbins` cackles
nubbins`: i wonder what sort of royalties i'm entitled to
VanCleef: tat got out of neobee at the perfect time
[KS]: TAT: really? whuddathunk? :)
ThickAsThieves: odds are there were more perfect times VanCleef
VanCleef: yeh?
[KS]: I'm making fun of MPOE PR but she's not biting :(
[KS]: :)
kakobrekla: ;;gettrust [KS]
gribble: Error: "KS" is not a valid command.
VanCleef: i like it when she bites...just a lil bit no raking
kakobrekla: dafuq
kakobrekla: you in the wot son?
[KS]: I'm protected by the NSA
[KS]: :)
kakobrekla: its something you answer with yes or no, not a smiley face
kakobrekla: but i take its a no
[KS]: correct
[KS]: (my previous "answer" was for 3 lines before)
mircea_popescu: [KS] i am dearly beloved wherever idiots gather.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` perhaps free moyle services for lyf ?
kakobrekla: re beloved: things which are alike, in nature, grow to look alike.
nubbins`: unfortunately i slept in, so i'm not sure which track they played
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hehehe
mircea_popescu: "unfortunately confirmed with Niccocia that BREWSTER fled the country with thousands of coins from the IPVO and employees, unpaid employees and milions of dues to local businesses"
mircea_popescu: no fucking way anyone was stupid enough to credit that dude with millions.
punkman1: why not?
mircea_popescu: well i don't know how they do it in cyprus, but i've never extended millions in commercial credit on unpaid accounts.
mircea_popescu: generally you let a customer walk with a few k's, then they pay that... takes someone even mid level many years to work themselves up to where they can run a tab in the millions
mircea_popescu: whereas this teenager suddenly appeared last summer.
nubbins`: "i'll pay you for all those magazine ads soon, i swear"
mircea_popescu: [KS] yes, my two lines in https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5984734#msg5984734 were actually a reply to ThickAsThieves' comment about litecoin
mircea_popescu: you read teh rules ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 74 @ 0.06271513 = 4.6409 BTC [-] {8}
chetty: I'll gladly pay you on Tuesday for a hamburger today
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ok, that may be an exception, seeing how nobody is interested in buying ads, and ESPECIALLY not at list prices, so if you're the sort of schmuck that may be tricked into it and they have nothing else to run anyway,
nubbins`: [KS] quoting out of context? tsk
mircea_popescu: they just might run $50k worth of ads and pretend they're owed $1.050 mn
mircea_popescu: but anyway, if you're curious : the last time i bought ads, cca 2006, i simply crossed out anyone who wasn't willing to go UNDER 50% of list price, and just negotiated with everyone else.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 86 @ 0.06063386 = 5.2145 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: on average i paid if memory serves ~31% or so.
mircea_popescu: anyone thinking they can build a business out of paying ratecard has got a whole other layer of things wrong with their head.
nubbins`: the problem is that btc space is still infested -- almost completely -- with rubes
ThickAsThieves: rates get really good towards deadline too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.06050001 = 0.121 BTC [-]
nubbins`: drooling idiots falling over each other to "provide services", "offer funds", "invest", etc
nubbins`: too many people hanging off the wheels of the airplane, i tell ya
mircea_popescu: but it's fuuuu...*splotch*
nubbins`: "my privately minted 10btc round is worth 40btc"
nubbins`: "we have a business plan"
mircea_popescu: "we r ceo"
mircea_popescu: sounds like y-m-c-a
moiety: i was thinking D.I.S.C.O tune
nubbins`: "this idea will sell itself"
mircea_popescu: or that.
mircea_popescu: jesus fuck i can't believe how broken the internet is. anyway, investopedia is wrong. the definition of commercial credit has nothing to do with any bank.
mircea_popescu: commercial credit is created by any merchant that delivers goods to another but does not force them to pay right off.
nubbins`: "we can make a hardware wallet"
mircea_popescu: this de-facto creates some extra money in the system, and the aggregate is known as "commercial credit"
nubbins`: "paper wallets are too confusing"
mircea_popescu: MGK: I heard this is the center of bitcoin, hello center << lol i had just missed that. hello mgk. who are you ?
[KS]: MP: I think you should pay me, I'm doing better PR than MPOE PR. Plus, I'm not deforming your words. Everything is verbatim! :)
nubbins`: [KS], i think YOU should pay ME!
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: "On the other hand professional also implies that you understand how context works, and will never ever under any circumstances omit relevant context when quoting, especially when such omission changes the meaning of your quote and the quoted then has to point this out to you"
nubbins`: rather, ^^
nubbins`: "i pasted a bunch of lines out of context in the forums, didn't link to the log, or even bother putting it inside a quote block. this guarantees that not only will nobody read it, but nobody who does can even verify its authenticity. i think you should pay me."
nubbins`: my sides, etc
[KS]: Yup. Except it wasn't quoting if its not in "quotes".
nubbins`: you'll do well here
nubbins`: i can tell already
[KS]: I'll post 2 lines to make that clear if you want.
mircea_popescu: [KS] eh get out, you're an otherwise smart fellow about to paint himself in a corner trying to argue nonsense of the sake of nonsense.
mircea_popescu: it happens, irc is fluid, just fix it and forget about it.
nubbins`: thanks for the link to grammar book, btw
nubbins`: i literally did not know what quotation marks were
mircea_popescu: you mean "literally"
nubbins`: "thanks"
kakobrekla: does that mean 'being trashful'?
mircea_popescu: "oh yeah ? well i had sex with your wife!"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla "that".
nubbins`: sorry for linking to some shit upworthy-esque website
nubbins`: but unnecessary quotes really tickle me
mircea_popescu: o look. there's a bunch of cracked.coms now
ozbot: Save capitalism from the capitalists by taxing wealth - FT.com
blackwhite: hola peeps
ozbot: digital interface: Strangecoin: a nonlinear currency
mircea_popescu: bounce sounds just about forum-y.
mircea_popescu: blackwhite cliffnotes ?
kakobrekla: its a bitcoin with if rand() ==== 4; goto fail;
deadweasel: nubbins`: lol @ Objects in quotation marks. For, you know, reasons.
mircea_popescu: deadweasel nubbins` you know someone on the forum put mircea popescu in quotes ?
nubbins`: "security guard"
nubbins`: mp lel
mircea_popescu: like you know... i'm an allegedly me sort of thing
nubbins`: that's cute
deadweasel: allegedly
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha ring bell for "MEAT SERVICE"
bounce: $other_rag presented it as the short version of that guy's 600-odd page book. I'm sure he's got bad ideas mixed inextricably with the good like any economist would
mircea_popescu: totally needs a nude gal next to the frozen turkeys.
[KS]: "<mircea_popescu> like you know... i'm an allegedly me sort of thing" - I can see a quote coming... :)
mircea_popescu: i dun recall where it was, maybe the neo bee thread
nubbins`: putting "thanks" in quotes is the best
mircea_popescu: He's the one who totally won't inject your breasts with cement. Totally not that one.
nubbins`: if you are "pregnant"...
mircea_popescu: i wonder how many women go around the daily chores of their cocksucking on camera life *thinking* they have saline solution breast implants
mircea_popescu: when in fact it's really urine.
deadweasel: why yo titties so sloshy bitch?
mircea_popescu: pretty good one
mircea_popescu: picture john cleese going "well it's not bloody england now is it!"
nubbins`: immediately below: "management reserves the right to refuse service..."
Mats_cd03: id like my pee to be used to inflate boobies one day
Mats_cd03: what an honor
nubbins`: WHOA
mircea_popescu: you know "the throne" is common romanian parlance for the toilet bowl/seat ?
mircea_popescu: russian too afaik
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 400 @ 0.00645971 = 2.5839 BTC [+] {9}
pankkake: french too
[KS]: happy? :)
nubbins`: english too
[KS]: I'm off. Good fun.
nubbins`: aka porcelain throne
mircea_popescu: "Only registered members are allowed to access this section." da fuck was that.
nubbins`: aka the ralph & bob telephone
mircea_popescu: "It’s 2010, and a passenger is trying to bring her live goldfish through security. One of my co-workers informs her that the fish can go through but the water cannot. The woman is on the verge of tears"
mircea_popescu: that'd be so epic. i'd have just taken the motherfucking fish.
mircea_popescu: seat it on the seat next to me
mircea_popescu: "sorry, obama's direct orders"
nubbins`: pop it in her mouth
mircea_popescu: supreme court says this is not a fish.
mircea_popescu: it's a tax.
nubbins`: there's usually water for sale on the other side of security
mircea_popescu: gold fish in mineral water
mircea_popescu: ahem. i mean "gold fish in mineral water"
nubbins`: i mean if the guard wasn't such a dick he'd have a glass of secure water on the other side of the xray
nubbins`: she could just pluck the fish out and pass it thru
mircea_popescu: stick a little q-tip in its mouyth first
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.65984978 = 1.9795 BTC [+] {3}
nubbins`: swab for explosives
nubbins`: good idea
mircea_popescu: some fish puff up
mircea_popescu: it's almost like an explosion.
nubbins`: incidentally we were dismantled and swabbed when returning from colombia
nubbins`: canada customs asked my travelling partner: "so how was the cocaine?"
nubbins`: never saw a man lose color so quickly
mircea_popescu: see, this is why you train the entourage.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11763 @ 0.00094429 = 11.1077 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: all they found on me was a GIGANTIC SPIDER hidden in my hammock
mircea_popescu: the correct response is "i can't remember, his cock was just fucking fantastic i forgot all about everything else"
nubbins`: i shouted JESUS CHRIST and the nice customs man stomped it to a paste
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.44074060 BTC to 4`860 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
kakobrekla: the high mpoe-pr priest has converted another one!
mircea_popescu: lmao who's cassandra-pr
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'pleasure throne' link from your 'twitter' seems to be a knock-off of the famous 'sybian' auto-wanker.
mircea_popescu: certainly.
asciilifeform: what's interesting is that the photo looks like it was taken at a tech trade show
mircea_popescu: and the two look like a sort of midwestern bouvard & pecuchet
asciilifeform: ;;google teledildonics
gribble: Teledildonics - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Teledildonics>; Teledildonics: The Weird, Wonderful World of Social Sex Toys: <http://gizmodo.com/teledildonics-the-weird-wonderful-world-of-social-sex-1516075707>; Teledildonics – there's an app for that! (NSFW) - Gizmag: <http://www.gizmag.com/lovepalz-iphone-teledildonics-app/24254/>
mircea_popescu: "Levy argued that by 2050 "sex with robots will be commonplace."
mircea_popescu: this is such a weak statement. sex with whatever has at hand has been commonplace since forever,
mircea_popescu: inasmuch as by sex you mean copulation and ejaculation
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 440.04, Best ask: 440.37, Bid-ask spread: 0.33000, Last trade: 440.37, 24 hour volume: 24513.27393403, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 501.9, 24 hour vwap: 465.965967901
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 28 @ 0.00615339 = 0.1723 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.659499 BTC [-]
tg2: Teledildonics
tg2: xdotcommer ^
tg2: Has a phd in this field
benkay: ;;gpg everify benkay
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay
gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay!~user@216-161-94-151.ptld.qwest.net. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/39F274AFBC7ACAC7
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9b1f48c2d3f7308c2bfc37b583412ab487e081fbf3942171827ad295
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
benkay: "A braindamaged assumption is that on account of any sort of “qualifications” or simply on account of your existence you’re pretty cool and certainly equal to anyone else. "
benkay: the20year2: "The market is the best instrument for both pricing assets and allocating capital that humans have stumbled upon so far."
benkay: i forgot all about rules and regs
mircea_popescu: these words...
mircea_popescu: they sound familiar
benkay: just sucking up, mp
mircea_popescu: o are you a sock ?
ozbot: #bitcoin-assets rules and regulations pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
benkay: i'm actually you
benkay: can't you tell by my rating?
benkay: it's all from your other socks.
mircea_popescu: i aspire to have 365 pairs of socks
mircea_popescu: that way, i can launder money only once a year.
benkay: sounds sticky
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've often wondered if there is, somewhere, a literal 'money laundry' - for trips to Dubai, etc. where a nanogram of coke merits the firing squad
mircea_popescu: you can mostly just put it in the wash
benkay: allo
AccountantPierre: I'm the treasurer over at the new Satoshi Nakamoto Institute. My colleague Daniel published a new piece today: http://nakamotoinstitute.org/mempool/hyperbitcoinization/ Interested to hear intelligent opinions/feedback
benkay: ;;google good money drives out bad
gribble: Gresham's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gresham's_law>; Gresham's Law Definition | Investopedia: <http://www.investopedia.com/terms/g/greshams-law.asp>; Gresham's law (economics) -- Encyclopedia Britannica: <http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/245850/Greshams-law>
AccountantPierre: Thier's Law applies to Bitcoin, not Gresham's
benkay: kinda an old saw, this 'demonetization' thing.
mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre were you here before / are you related to Pierre Rochard ?
AccountantPierre: That's me
mircea_popescu: aite i'll read it once im done with this cunt size post for trilema.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cunt size post ?!
asciilifeform: ;;google go no go gauge
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: wd AccountantPierre
benkay: are those collections available as a single file?
benkay: o wow mises circle's been busy too
AccountantPierre: yep. We'll be transitioning all of our bitcoin posts from the mises circle to SNI
benkay: AccountantPierre: why is your name still on the Foundation website?
benkay: ;;gettrust AccountantPierre
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user AccountantPierre: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=AccountantPierre | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=AccountantPierre | Rated since: never
AccountantPierre: huh, didn't know they publish that. I'm a big tent kind of guy, I post in the foundation forums
benkay: careful your tent doesn't get lit on fire by bfl shareholders
benkay: er
benkay: preorderer
benkay: arglarglargl
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 1820 @ 0.00013796 = 0.2511 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1077 blocks | Estimated Change: 13.7098% in 6d 10h 37m 2s
mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre who draw that cartoon ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 450 @ 0.0064828 = 2.9173 BTC [+] {10}
mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre also this is prolly of interest re the entire hyperinflation/demonetisaiton : http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2014#468962
mircea_popescu: it is an old saw, as benkay points out. that particular link references earlier reports provided by herbi who actually run the pinksheets and found the highest stock increase in the history of stock increases fails to come within one degree of magnitude of bitcoin's.
mircea_popescu: so to sum up, the piece suffers from the same problem illustrated by the opening cartoon : a mostly banal piece with very poor references. surely people outside of the mises circle must have written about these matters, perhaps for years.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.65982142 = 4.6187 BTC [+] {4}
benkay: put it on a pleasure throne, moiety
moiety: hihi benkay, how goes today
asciilifeform: 'pleasurethrone.com' appears defunct.
mircea_popescu: also disqus is fucking evil.
asciilifeform: guess they didn't sell that well
mircea_popescu: can you picture a woman buying dildos from those two guys ?
AccountantPierre: mircea_popescu: Daniel drew it. I'm thinking we'll phase out disqus and roll our own
mircea_popescu: they couldn't pass the genuine article for free.
mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre so then you know, say "Daniel drew it"
mircea_popescu: generally speaking you have no better way to ruin a first impression on the web than unsourced material
mircea_popescu: (other than perhaps bad tech solutions, a la disqus)
moiety: mircea_popescu: i thought that lol - the sign behind them says, "you are limited only by your imagination" errr and those chaps
mircea_popescu: moiety the idea of giving you a crown for fucking...
AccountantPierre: I'll take that criticism, but we do have to allocate our time as best we can
benkay: dunce cap
benkay: gotta work that into the routine
mircea_popescu: which part is the timesink ?
benkay: dunce cap and collar
AccountantPierre: creating a comments section
moiety: lololol
AccountantPierre: benkay: I'll get started on making one, I need it a lot as twenty something
benkay: making which, AccountantPierre ?
AccountantPierre: the dunce cap
mircea_popescu: "There's no bigger joke than this mpex dude and his army of spamtroll donkeys." that's funny, because the greatest trick the devil ever pulled was convincing a bunch of forum derps that he's running the largest shill stable in the world without having to actually pay a cent for it.
benkay: o hey look i don't even need to make my own sexy acoutremont any more, thanks -assets
mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre you know you can just register #satoshi-institute
mircea_popescu: "if you want to discuss our articles, click here"
nubbins`: bright fella
AccountantPierre: I like that idea, the issue is the lack of distinct threads
benkay: AccountantPierre: emails.
benkay: append to post.
benkay: do it ghetto stylee
mircea_popescu: may turn out to be an advantage. but anyway.
benkay: best thing is this makes for no comments
mircea_popescu: the main focus should be much better integration. i can appreciate that a trained accountant wants to keep things well separate
mircea_popescu: but the internet does not, nor does the brain.
mircea_popescu: nor, for that matter, bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: so, reference more.
AccountantPierre: true. Appreciate your thoughts. If people knew git they could do a pull request with their comment
mircea_popescu: conversely, maybe only getting comments from people who know git is a blessing.
mircea_popescu: i know only talking to people who can run irc has worked ok for me these past coupla years.
benkay: GIT COMMENTS
benkay: HORY SHIT
mircea_popescu: benkay u jelly ?
benkay: what, of an idea? get lost.
mircea_popescu: u r aintcha.
mircea_popescu: you knew that email klutz is klutzy
benkay: or the massive corpus of ideas you have access to recombine on demand?
benkay: my life is extremely klutzy
mircea_popescu: so so helly :D
benkay: one day i'll be old too
benkay: you'll be senile
benkay: we'll be even
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 276 @ 0.00088832 = 0.2452 BTC [+]
ozbot: Why it’s tough being in an altcoin cartel | FT Alphaville
benkay: link sux disregard
benkay: feelings
nubbins`: heh apparently the cbc introduced our band as "D-something surgery"
nubbins`: bit too racy for 10am on a sunday, i guess
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so are you sold out yet ?
benkay: lol girls mom just called me
benkay: "hi b plz get k to call me i'd like to talk to her about something"
mircea_popescu: can i tell all the chicks i used to listen to dick surgery back before they were all commercialised crap ?
nubbins`: we're technically not sellouts until we get airplay on a station that isn't supported by tax dollars ;D
benkay: girls voicemail has been filled with momversations. now its time for mine.
nubbins`: "A guy orders 25 hits. I send him a 5x5 sheet. His feedback reads "The hit was very large but I managed to fit it in my mouth. The lines were neat. Good trip". I wonder if the guy thought the 25 hits were one!?"
nubbins`: hahah
benkay: mircea_popescu: my klutzy ass would implement patches over email anyways
nubbins`: guy takes 5000ug of LSD. "good trip."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00094253 = 11.7345 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: well... you can't really od on the stuff can you ?
nubbins`: not in the sense that you'll cause damage to your body, no
nubbins`: psychological effects, different story
Mats_cd03: urban myth
nubbins`: great way to get a permanent thousand-yard stare
nubbins`: Mats_cd03: i'm not saying "guy now thinks he's an orange" or anything
tg2: I think you could probably kill yourself as a result of taking to much lsd
tg2: But not an od on it per se
Mats_cd03: ive eaten vials of the stuff and im mostly all here
tg2: Just getting yourself into a dangerous predicament because of it
BCB: what is going on with Neo and Bee at Havelock
nubbins`: nod, worst that usually happens is that people start thinking you're a bit odd
benkay: then your hair goes all frizzy and white
nubbins`: but the same could happen from any number of intense experiences
nubbins`: BCB: nothing ;D
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 86 @ 0.007 = 0.602 BTC [-]
ozbot: Herp Rating Agency
mircea_popescu: herp had a rating agency ?
mircea_popescu: the forum never ends.
mircea_popescu: "Herp Rating Agency is an initiative born out of the need for due diligence in the Bitcoin ecosystem."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 142 @ 0.007 = 0.994 BTC [-]
benkay: neo and bee - buy
benkay: a++ rating would read again
BCB: benkay, hmmm... another bitcoin scam?
kakobrekla: nubbins` this thing you linked earlier from the log, its in the bash, this one precisely:
benkay: BCB: save your cash and assume anything on Havelock is a scam.
mircea_popescu: few better ways to establish credibility than to awkwardly cut away the watermark on some unrelated design
nubbins`: kakobrekla, one of my finer moments
benkay: ;;later tell JorgePasada hey lookie you're famous now: http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=90
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BCB: benkay, so neo and bee is as scammy as havelock?
kakobrekla: no, the other way around i think
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] [PAID] 1.41654500 BTC to 21`793 shares, 6500 satoshi per share
BCB: havelock is as scammy os neo and bee
nubbins`: nah man, HIF is totally gonna pay dividends like they promised
benkay: BCB: impossible to differentiate incompetence and malice from this dimension
benkay: hey youse guise today i learned bitcoin doesn't have the discipline to be a monopoly
nubbins`: they're totally not an order of magnitude short on volume-based trading fees either
ozbot: Attack of the killer rentiers | FT Alphaville
BCB: benkay, tuur demeester was a big proponent of neo and bee
benkay: BCB: so?
nubbins`: turd meister?
benkay: shh nubbins` where are your manners
nubbins`: A+++++ would trust based on name
BCB: benkay, I thought he was one of the good guys ( like mircea popescu )
benkay: what is good?
kakobrekla: good is bad.
BCB: benkay, does his due dilligence.
MykelSIlver: You can't even trust Satoshi
BCB: everyone just reads press releases like they are FACT
benkay: inability to distinguish between people who say things that sound nice to your ears and people who routinely make good calls is the source of a lot of wasted BTC.
BCB: coindesk is the worst thing to come along in bitcoin land
mircea_popescu: BCB there's a lengthy history of dubious ventures enlisting otherwise good guys who are a little bit naive and a little bit in over their head.
mircea_popescu: labcoin did it, activemining did it, pirate definitely did it.
benkay: BCB: i've yet to read a thing from him that was particularly useful. granted, i've not dug in depth.
kakobrekla: labcoin was not a naive thing
BCB: benkay, I don't read him all all but he is all over the place
kakobrekla: nor was pirate
mircea_popescu: people are slow to learn this lesson, especially because otherwise good guys with a diploma imagine retarded shit a la "everyone is entitled to their own opinion" and eschew sucking their cocks.
kakobrekla: active i dunno.
benkay: BCB: all over where? i'm pretty well read and he doesn't even register on my feeds.
BCB: mircea_popescu, what about jon matonis
mircea_popescu: there's this philosophy of "do everything by yourself" prevalent in the us, and it is getting people in trouble in bitcoin space something fierce.
kakobrekla: what about roger ver
BCB: kakobrekla, criminal
mircea_popescu: BCB im not about to discuss individuals unless i have something specific to say.
BCB: mircea_popescu, shocking. I guess I should MOP PR
BCB: *ask
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i dunno, re pirate say, i believe people like copumpkin were moreover clueless and well meaning in their dysfunctional, social-justice-y sort of way
kakobrekla: you meant MOB PR?
mircea_popescu: rather than outright criminal.
mircea_popescu: BCB she's worse in that respect. by the time she's calling out your name you're going down.
BCB: mircea_popescu, the pirate victims were just greedy
BCB: blinded by greed
benkay: AccountantPierre: this is what you want to be writing http://ftalphaville.ft.com/2014/01/06/1733392/when-qe-becomes-decentralised/
BCB: pigs get fatter hogs get slaughtered
mircea_popescu: benkay what is with you and ft blogs. they're unreadable.
the20year2: benkay: which market?
benkay: the20year2: are you serious?
the20year2: i just ctrl+f your sentence and didn't read much previous from there
benkay: The market
benkay: i don't--
BCB: mircea_popescu, what about the bitcoin foundation
benkay: uuaghuaghuaa
benkay: mircea_popescu: must be my broken american brainz
benkay: (Diablo-D3: graiiinz)
BCB: has anyone read the new o'reiley bitcoin book?
Diablo-D3: benkay: hee
mircea_popescu: BCB teh scamdation has collected btc donations, failed to release reports and then collected more btc "donations" from various scams it vouched for.
kakobrekla: BCB the questions you are asking re people and stuff have mostly been talked about. search around the logs and blogs, this is not a spoonfeeding party
mircea_popescu: pretty much the best way to ensure you won't get anywhere in bitcoin is to involve yourself with the bitcoin foundation.
BCB: kakobrekla, I'm bored. Sorry
mircea_popescu: it's roughly speaking the nambla of this space.
kakobrekla: North American Man/Boy Love Association ?
mircea_popescu: the same
BCB: kakobrekla, I'm writing a bash implementation of a blockchain parser and I needed to take a break
AccountantPierre: benkay: "private QE" is as played out as "monetization". Unsurprisingly I prefer my own analytical framework: http://themisescircle.org/blog/2013/12/15/the-bitcoin-central-banks-perfect-monetary-policy/
BCB: AccountantPierre, I thought you guys were closing down the misescircle
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 456.55, Best ask: 457.97, Bid-ask spread: 1.42000, Last trade: 457.97, 24 hour volume: 29003.93489152, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.413765818
AccountantPierre: Not closing down, but transitioning bitcoin stuff to SNI
BCB: ahh
benkay: AccountantPierre: you said synergistically
benkay: my eyes are bleeding
AccountantPierre: benkay: you're welcome
benkay: AccountantPierre: fiduciary media aren't impossible, just nigh impossible
BCB: mircea_popescu, BTW i'm an excellent monopoly player
benkay: with a TB blockchain, they may become necessary.
mircea_popescu: BCB it's a trivial game really.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 57 @ 0.007 = 0.399 BTC [-]
novusordo: it was fun to play for BTC a year or so back
novusordo: some OTCers made a channel for it, don't remember what it was
AccountantPierre: benkay: that quickly gets into a semantic debate of what fiduciary media is. I don't view off-blockchain transactions with coinbase-bux to be fiduciary media. You'd have to create something I can send to a bitcoin address and the recipient thinks its bitcoins. Nigh impossible indeed
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall the monopoly btc thing
benkay: that's a neat position on fidiuciary media.
the20year2: Are you an accountant?
novusordo: mircea_popescu: i remember playing it with aethero and lucidlepidoptera, lol
mircea_popescu: o yeah, check this out, a match made in heaven.
mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre what'd you need to be paid to audit the20year2's rental properties corp ?
mircea_popescu: novusordo are those two still together ?
novusordo: not a clue
mircea_popescu: stormy was pretty hot. aethero was... pretty strange.
AccountantPierre: a real audit or just some specific due diligence procedures?
mircea_popescu: a real audit.
mircea_popescu: certify his book.
AccountantPierre: estimated amount of assets? visiting properties could get expensive, where are they?
nubbins`: aethero was just mentioned in -otc
mircea_popescu: all in ohio.
nubbins`: regarding ops that went bad
the20year2: ~$500k of assets including bitcoin
the20year2: 6 properties, central Ohio , although i don't know if physical inspection would be absolutely needed when you could just get deed copies
mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre afaik it's not customary to do a ground inspection if torrens title is available neh ?
mircea_popescu: o wait, the us doesn't use torrens
the20year2: We file deeds at the county auditor
mircea_popescu is pretty well clueless as to real estate auditing procedures adequate for central ohio
AccountantPierre: depends on risk assessment at beginning of audit
the20year2: I'm not aware of any state that uses torrens, though canada I believe does
the20year2: What kind of risk assessment?
mircea_popescu: the20year2 well if the auditor suspects fraud or under some court mandates etc.
AccountantPierre: risk of material misstatement of the financials. $25k for a one man cpa shop.
mircea_popescu: AccountantPierre for my own repository of factoids, what's the insurance premium hike look like after a forfeit for material misstatement ?
AccountantPierre: Insurance for the CPA firm or for the audit client? Either way, no clue, never dealt with that kind of insurance
mircea_popescu: the insurane firm
the20year2: I wasn't aware they sold insurance to CPAs
mircea_popescu: uh, you're not insured ?!
the20year2: I'm not a CPA
AccountantPierre: there are thousands of people at my firm, division of labor, someone else takes care of that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0009444 = 16.1492 BTC [+] {2}
AccountantPierre: "my firm" as in "my employer"
BCB: mircea_popescu, I could reccomend a cpa for around 10K for a full audit
mircea_popescu: kinda besides the point now isn't it.
the20year2: When we were looking for book audits for a TSX listing possibility they ran $15k/yr
the20year2: Of course $25k might not be terribly bad if you're sending a guy to Ohio to physically visit properties and review deed copies
benkay: kinda one of those things you expect a REIT to be able to afford.
BCB: novusordo, what ever happened to aethero, anyone know?
the20year2: Not for one with only 6 properties and less than $500k of properties, that's 5% a year in just audits
BCB: mircea_popescu, hire a certified CPA in ohio
the20year2: Would make alot more sense to just hire a 3rd party agent or title company to do the investigation, hire a title search on all the properties, will run you $75/ea
AccountantPierre: Yeah, hire a local guy, not a big 4 firm based out of nyc
benkay: doesn't really sound like a REIT at that scale. more like a hodgepodge.
the20year2: $150-$200 for lawyer review
mircea_popescu: BCB he tried to start some sort of business, listed it on btct if memory serves, and well... just like all the others.
BCB: mircea_popescu, he left a lot of guys on otc and btcjam holding the bag as well
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05699999 = 0.342 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.00714999 = 0.286 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess this match wasn't made in heaven in any sense. a well :p
the20year2: We were on BF when they closed up
mircea_popescu: moiety https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5988372#msg5988372 they are on to you nao my fine scottish friend.
the20year2: anyone understand what's going on with neobee?
benkay: there are two facts.
moiety: mircea_popescu: lolol holy fuck lol i hope mpoe-pr isnt offended. i would like to reply, they should go here http://i.imgur.com/Z7lAjiF.jpg
Duffer1: must be odd to be called a scammer by minerpart
ozbot: FUCK3000
andyfletcher: It is all getting more than a bit personal on bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: moiety in mpoe-pr's own words, "incredible how the ciucius of the world manage to sound exactly alike. no matter their nationalities and motha tongues."
mircea_popescu: in other news, reddit does feelings : no matter their nationalities and motha tongues
novusordo: BCB: no idea, I never got anything back from the small amount I put into his business that never got off the ground
novusordo: haven't heard anything from/about him since that ship sunk
mircea_popescu: benkay seems like a happy couple.
benkay: rly? i see a few different both boys and girls
benkay: just contri-putin
ozbot: dpaste: #1764871
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the ever vigilant forum is wiping out the neobee discussion
mircea_popescu: what was the link to that copy ?
moiety: i hadn't read that page, her comment about all true scotsmen make a lot more sense now mircea_popescu lol can you pass on my apologies
benkay: mircea_popescu: why are you subjecting us to forum :(
kakobrekla: >A reply of yours, quoted below, was deleted by a Bitcoin Forum moderator.
kakobrekla: oh yeah, i got a huge pile of those too
ThickAsThieves: that's some heavt moderation
ThickAsThieves: i saw, i think it was, extrader saying he knew some way to get a "fudster" moderated
ThickAsThieves: looks like he is on th ehunt
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings | Page 217 | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: better bitcointalk, basically.
tg2: Whoa whoa hold the phone
tg2: there's drama? On the internet?
benkay: stahp
benkay: ;;ticker
benkay: .bait
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 459.46, Best ask: 461.35, Bid-ask spread: 1.89000, Last trade: 461.35, 24 hour volume: 29874.63703293, 24 hour low: 436.0, 24 hour high: 500.0, 24 hour vwap: 463.247782601
benkay: holy smokes 450?
mircea_popescu: is that a bvad thing ?
benkay: psh yeah doncha know bitcoins only useful when it goes up in value
benkay: aw man
benkay: in the space of 1 week i have forgotten everything about the conformal btc libs
mircea_popescu: hahaha check out bitcointa.lk : mpoe-pr is the only one with an avatar.
BCB: mircea_popescu, did you fund bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: the owner linked it here a while bakc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] [PAID] 0.19871000 BTC to 320`500 shares, 62 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06353 = 0.6353 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0464 = 0.1392 BTC [+]
steven-__: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rEtrIjzsceM&feature=youtu.be&t=17m0s andreas antonopoulos doing his thing
ozbot: Is Bitcoin a flash in the pan? - Coinsumm.it - YouTube
steven-__: couldn't help checking out a few of the talks even after reading benkays post
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: what, STILL ?
mircea_popescu: 2011 called, it wants its rethorical questions back please.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0556 = 0.1112 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62503539 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.0062174 = 0.286 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62503539 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4697 @ 0.00094301 = 4.4293 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.62503539 = 1.8751 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3750 @ 0.00094037 = 3.5264 BTC [-]
ozbot: Rwanda: 20 years later
benkay: obviously a lot of that is NGO pearl clutching for funds.
cazalla: steven-__: that guy makes me cringe
benkay: "Survivors groups worry that 20 years after the genocide, international funding will dry up completely"
benkay: le sigh
the20year2: how many funds were made available for the holomodor?
mircea_popescu: actually people did try to donate
mircea_popescu: many us jewish people with fresh memories, plenty of others
pankkake: thanks
pankkake: I do know him, which is bothering me
nubbins`: never underestimate the tenacity of butthurt internet people
Duffer1: i wrote him a haiku
Duffer1: that dotcoin scammer talks like alberto armandi
pankkake: he told me in PM ps: i see you speak german its called " Kopffick " thats what happen to you now
pankkake: I don't speak german and google doesn't help me
benkay: on an entirely different topic, what are good "me@mydomain" emails?
benkay: not horrendously unprofessional
benkay: not stupidly web2.0
pankkake: firstname@lastname ?
benkay: eg "me@"
pankkake: me@firstnamelastname
benkay: dorp
pankkake: or something related to what you do? say you're a plumper name joe, me@joeplumber
nubbins`: me@benkay.com
benkay: holy shit benkay.com is available
nubbins`: BETTER HURRY
benkay: first time since i got on the internet
nubbins` registers
pankkake: there are bots auto-registering names
pankkake: just hope they don't crawl http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/
benkay: no i have the domain, that's fine.
benkay: i'm just startled to the sushi joint's moved on from the domain in question
pankkake: I maintain links to band websites, they're replaced by spam very quickly after expiration
artifexd: benkay Do you see a problem with me@whatever.com emails?
mircea_popescu: "Interesting, Romain Bignon is a Python dev. Pankkake had some python work done for MP"
mircea_popescu: clearly.
nubbins`: interestingly, these idiots aren't working for scotland yard
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62504019 = 3.1252 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05699884 = 0.114 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: well, derpland yard. just as good.
nubbins`: "perhaps we should pursue legal action"
nubbins`: yes. perhaps.
mircea_popescu: haha, they are behind 7 lawyers.
mircea_popescu: "Unless you prove otherwise I think it is fair and right that me and dotcoin both see that quite a bit of evidence points to you being Romain Bignon."
mircea_popescu: logically.
nubbins`: y'know, prove a negative
mircea_popescu: unless you bring me a praline i shall eat your cake.
mircea_popescu: pankkake anyway, dun freak out. buncha forum derps.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.64999977 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.064 = 0.256 BTC [+]
pankkake: the real issue is that it's not me they're stalking
pankkake: I'm pretty used to threats
mircea_popescu: benkay what's wrong with initial-name@corp ?
mircea_popescu: pankkake so contact the person, offer to appear as witness, they can prolly get teh gendarmerie involved
nubbins`: honestly the oddest thing about this whole "everyone is mp" thing is that there's a much, much simpler explanation, and people just refuse to believe. seriously, as if you having a hundred sock accounts, each with a distinct writing style, is a more plausible explanation than you paying someone to post on the forums
pankkake: he's a friend
benkay: artifexd: me@whatever doesn't really convey the right image
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why would i pay people to pretend they're not speaking for me ?
pankkake: and I don't want friends to be bothered
benkay: mircea_popescu: i've yet to settle on a thing. canvassing people who've seen things, you see.
pankkake: of course he's also used to threats :D
artifexd: What image do you want to convey?
nubbins`: why would people think pankkake is you?
benkay: artifexd: excellent question.
nubbins`: why would anybody anything :D it boggles the mind
mircea_popescu: im kinda basking in the glory of being... mp. da fuck do i care, teh forum is going to dox the hell out of "mircea popescu is really... this romanian guy... by the name... mircea popescu"
nubbins`: IMPOSSIBRU
nubbins`: next you'll tell me satoshi nakam... wait.
mircea_popescu: those are the words that must never be spoken nubbins`
nubbins`: oh fuck did i let the cat out of the bag?
nubbins`: kakobrekla can you edit the logs plz
nubbins`: and thus a new conspiracy is born
mircea_popescu: in my forum reports, "ragehead scammer derping all over pankakke https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545220.new#new"
mircea_popescu: right next to
mircea_popescu: "some noob made an anti-davout hate thread https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=548245.0"
mircea_popescu: what is it with you french people.
pankkake: davout has the best haters right now: http://www.actubitcoin.fr/
kakobrekla: >French members are tired.
kakobrekla: zomg. endoftheworld.swf
kakobrekla: literally.
pankkake: you might have trouble reading his French, as he has terrible spelling
kakobrekla: with quotes.
mircea_popescu: o actu short for actuel or w/e. clever.
kakobrekla: i dunno, someone write to him to have a nap.
davout: "actu" is "news"
mircea_popescu: "David Francois est née le 29 Mai 1983, âgé donc de 30 ans" why teh fag glasses davout ?!
mircea_popescu: "Il est née à Leiden au Pays-Bas."
mircea_popescu: fascinating.
davout: n'est-ce pas
pankkake: so davout used to be a girl
nubbins`: more like davPOUT, amirite?
mircea_popescu: davpoutine
mircea_popescu: "Je soupçonne un montage fiscal permettant une fraude massive ."
davout: mircea_popescu: thanks, didn't know about the english thread
mircea_popescu: well it's good that they soup cony or whatever.
nubbins`: when i lived in ottawa, it was not uncommon for clueless anglos to approach a poutine stand and loudly declare JE VOUDRAIS UNE POUTAIN
pankkake: hahaha
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=545292.msg5956581#msg5956581 << check out pankkake trying to get forum noobs to pay for his nosejob :D
ozbot: ActiveMining thread mods are actively trying to scam people
nubbins`: quqbecois insert the tiniest hint of an "s" after the "t" in poutine
nubbins`: poutseen
pankkake: I have been told I have a beautiful nose
pankkake: and my nose job was an inside job
tg2: Somebody say poutine?
pankkake: it's call turbinoplastie
pankkake: TURBINES
mircea_popescu: rhinoturbinoplasty
nubbins`: turbhinoplasty
nubbins`: tg2 many times
ozbot: VIRCUREX IS RUNNING WITH NEGATIVE NAV: BEWARE EVERYBODY
pankkake: last thing I did was my teeth getting scrubbed for two hours straight. it's fun
mircea_popescu: i guess it's time for some rating
pankkake: I go back this week
mircea_popescu: ;;rated kumala
gribble: You have not yet rated user kumala
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg eauth
gribble: (gpg eauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a link to a page which contains a one time password encrypted with your key. Decrypt, and use the 'everify' command with it. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
nubbins`: one evening at a poutine stand in downtown ottawa, guy in front of me waits in line for 2-3 minutes and orders a bucket of water when his turn comes. worker says "a bucket of water? why?"
mircea_popescu: ;;gpg eauth mircea_popescu
gribble: Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/8A736F0E2FB7B452
nubbins`: guy responds "your garbage can is on fire"
benkay: lol canada
nubbins`: right?
mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:8668ebe8d03a1f2c32d4fc1acd38cf1a08ea8c443c55528ea0165ba4
gribble: You are now authenticated for user mircea_popescu with key 8A736F0E2FB7B452
nubbins`: can't just bust into the front of the line :D
benkay: you people.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kumala -10 consumate scammer. vircurex, cryptostocks, an entire stack.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of -10 for user kumala has been recorded.
nubbins`: i think it's "consummate"
mircea_popescu: ;;rate kumala -10 consummate scammer. vircurex, cryptostocks, an entire stack.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user kumala has changed from -10 to -10.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate hanbot 5 The forum loves her a lot.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user hanbot has changed from 3 to 5.
pankkake: nice nickname
mircea_popescu: "When people try to launch start-up, like chronocoin in france, or beegcoin, or others, immediately, he try to attack website, he writes aggresive messages and delete topic."
mircea_popescu: for shame.
davout: many delete. such shame. wow
tg2: That English it's for shame
pankkake: sad part is, their French isn't any better
mircea_popescu: down with this oppression from leiden! people wish to be free and launch assets!
nubbins`: "nubbins you may be asked or told to hand over this info by dotcoins lawyer, I would suggest you do that sooner rather than later."
nubbins`: my fucking SIDES
nubbins`: somebody's paying for side surgery
nubbins`: and it ain't me
mircea_popescu: i ain't payin for your sides
mircea_popescu: they were broken when you got here
nubbins`: hmm, is that why they're always aching?
mircea_popescu: you're a sideist
nubbins`: better that than a frontist :D
pankkake: "NotLambchop is a Belize-registered virtual identity law firm wholly owned by TheMiracle, which represents itself and its profits. We (they) are the legal council representing pankkake et al. and others too" :D
davout: nubbins`: markus weiler, he is the archetypal village idiot
tg2: Daveout du you even sock bro
nubbins`: ;;google frontist
gribble: Frontist Party - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frontist_Party>; AWL school: Economism and frontist delusions - Communist Party of ...: <http://www.cpgb.org.uk/home/weekly-worker/968/awl-school-economism-and-frontist-delusions>; Transverzala SREMSKI FRONT ist.deo.flv - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ia9SdQwiPHg>
tg2: learn2sock
mircea_popescu: that guy's from something awful, amusingly enough.
davout: tg2: wut
mircea_popescu: davout he's just trying to be part of the cool kids, dun fret.
nubbins`: i like the hint of empty threat
davout: tg2: may i see your haters please?
nubbins`: you may be asked... or TOLD
mircea_popescu: "Tell you what - I'm at the UKDCA meeting in London on Monday - anyone is welcome to come and accuse me of whatever to my face, when I can likewise see your face and we can communicate like humans."
mircea_popescu: someone should go and moon him.
tg2: I kindly direct you to benkay
mircea_popescu: "If you continue to post in the thread you will be reported to theymos who could take further action. You have already been asked to stop posting."
tg2: Don't worry about getting ousted from the French section, the French have historically demonstrated difficulty in that field.
mircea_popescu: this is like usagi level of internet threatening
nubbins`: STOP OR I WILL TELL TUPPERWARE I MEAN THERMOS
benkay: don't forget to burp the thermos
mircea_popescu: "My father emotionally, physically and sexually abused me. I moved out at the age of seventeen, hoping to escape all the pain, only to find out that it would follow me. My psyche and boundaries were very damaged and I did not realize that because of my upbringing and appearance I attracted sexual predators.
mircea_popescu: After marrying at age twenty-one, I discovered my husband was a porn addict. So great was his sexual perversity and infidelity that I was at a loss to know what to do to save my marriage. Finally, after five years of marriage, I sought counseling from my church pastor."
tg2: Crisse que les français sont des bébés lala
mircea_popescu: ^upcoming ipo.
nubbins`: would buy
benkay: now iploling feelings
tg2: "Mon thread d'innocent s'est fait effacer, qq"
mircea_popescu: twist : "I had no idea that this man had a history of being a sexual predator. He had been moved from church to church after each report of sexual abuse but no other action was taken, nor was the new congregation warned. After several counseling sessions he gained my trust."
tg2: Rape magnet
tg2: There's an app for that
benkay: candy crush 'character's on nyse for ipo?
benkay: cooooooool.
the20year2: shock, surprise
mircea_popescu: yeah. in some ways it's looking like 1929
benkay: "soup lines" -> "soup mobs"
the20year2: tech may be in a bubble? No way
the20year2: those are lies
davout: ;;eauth davout
gribble: Request successful for user davout, hostmask davout!~davout@unaffiliated/davout. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/13288EAB01713428
mircea_popescu: and by tech we mean, of course... "hey ma, i made a website"
mircea_popescu: slash iphone app
benkay: this is tech specific and not endemic to fiat-denominated stocks?
nubbins`: slash i need money for my idea
benkay scrambles for the 25-year s/p chart
davout: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:e0bfc984b8a7ad54d1c869b166c2bf660e57f8598a81d67ec713754c
gribble: You are now authenticated for user davout with key 13288EAB01713428
davout: ;;rated ThomasV
gribble: You have not yet rated user ThomasV
davout: ;;rate ThomasV 3 electrum
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 3 for user ThomasV has been recorded.
jurov: ThomasV is etotheipi?
pankkake: etotheipi is Armory
jurov: ohhhh sry
nubbins`: i let four pounds of ground pork spoil :(
the20year2: you terrible human
the20year2: that could have fed a village
nubbins`: i actually feel pretty bad about it
nubbins`: i dislike wasting food
deadweasel: beef abuse
deadweasel: as if it could be abused anymore
nubbins`: pork abuse
deadweasel: oh man, the brain is replacing words again.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you don't have any cold left in canada ?
nubbins`: i ground it and then left it in the fridge for like 5 days
mircea_popescu: way i hear it works in these northern places, people just fit a box to their windowsill
nubbins`: stupid :(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` heh even 2 days is wrong.
nubbins`: i know D:
nubbins`: "i should freeze that" (3 days pass)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12888 @ 0.00094035 = 12.1192 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Medical marijuana changes must meet patient needs
nubbins`: so patients who possess marijuana from the old program have been given a reprieve, and don't have to throw their old weed in the garbage just yet
mircea_popescu: they can threow it in the bong instead.
nubbins`: or the vaporizer! combustion is for rubes
ozbot: Medical marijuana users face rising price dilemma April 1 - British Columbia - CBC News
nubbins`: ^ better source
benkay: that's like pulling just the booze out of a fine wine, nubbins`,
nubbins`: nahhh
nubbins`: vaporizing releases much more detectible flavor compounds
nubbins`: you light it on fire, all you taste is char
benkay: same with a steak!
benkay: for some value of same.
nubbins`: same with coffee!
benkay: a little burninating's fine.
mircea_popescu: guy with 600 followers and already following 2001 people somehow gets 800 retweets
nubbins`: "Alison Myrden of Burlington, Ont., says it costs just pennies for her designated grower to produce the more than 100 grams of marijuana she needs each day to relieve symptoms of multiple sclerosis and trigeminal neuralgia, a disorder of the nervous system that causes especially intense discomfort."
mircea_popescu: yet i've never heard of the post.
nubbins`: she ingests ONE HUNDRED GRAMS of marijuana.
nubbins`: A DAY.
mircea_popescu: could we be at the point where people actually buy fake/spam retweets to try and prop themselves into the conversation ?
nubbins`: that's a gram every ten minutes
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well if she eats it...
nubbins`: even worse
nubbins`: eating 100g in a day? you might as well induce a coma
nubbins`: seriously, get a daily smoker to eat two grams and they'll spend the next ten hours seriously reconsidering their choice
nubbins`: i can only hope she makes a tincture or something
mircea_popescu: so she's selling it you're thinking ?
peterl: maybe she means she needs a few pennies for 100 milligrams?
peterl: units, how do they work?
jurov: don't they measure hash in libraries of congress or sth?
mircea_popescu: yeah i doubt very much it costs a quarter per pound to make weed.
mircea_popescu: peterl prolly has it.
nubbins`: no, i don't think she's selling, it'd be too brazen. she wouldn't agree to be interviewed
nubbins`: no doubt she boils it up to make tea or some such
nubbins`: i just can't comprehend what wasteful method of preparation causes this poor woman to have to go through over a quarter pound every day of her life
peterl: maybe she just burns it as incense instead of smoking it?
nubbins`: i honestly have no idea
nubbins`: maybe her MS really is just that intense
nubbins`: i've seen people with MS who seize so bad that they can't even communicate
jurov: i think she bathes in it
nubbins`: few puffs and they can function normally
nubbins`: it's actually fucked
mircea_popescu: maybe she feeds it to her cats and then rubs them ?
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: animal abuse!
jurov: civet coffee comes to mind
jurov: perish the thought
nubbins`: civet coffee doesn't even taste particularly good
nubbins`: i've seen pictures of freshly-shat civet coffee covered in intestinal worms
nubbins`: protip: coffee isn't magic, you're not guaranteed a good cup just because it came from location X or was processed via method Y
nubbins`: protip: you can taste the best coffees in the world whenever you want, for $5-15 per pound
nubbins`: anyway
ozbot: Topless artist smashes ceramic breasts - CBC News Vancouver at 6 - CBC Player
Diablo-D3: ... is the name of my coldplay cover band
Mats_cd03: gross
Mats_cd03: i dont need bald dudes in the same frame as the boobies
ozbot: Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'
nubbins`: such negative language
nubbins`: calling people spastics and retards ;(
pankkake: "spastic" c'est bien une insulte de rosbif
Duffer1: the level of stupid in that thread is.. i can't even find an adequate adjective..
nubbins`: mmhmm
nubbins`: back-to-back freakout posts
nubbins`: "here's some more shit i read on the internet, ctrl-v"
nubbins`: guy is literally falling apart at the seams
nubbins`: "And here is the body that will no doubt be in contact with you soon Pankkake"
pankkake: sounds dirty
Duffer1: you woud be too if you held a large stake in actm
nubbins`: plainly obvious at this point that the guy isn't going to be contacting anyone. ever.
nubbins`: if he was going to, he'd do it, rather than flapping his gums trying to scare a confession out of you
pankkake: well since he is talking about antitrust, yes - doesn't need to be a lawyer to see how offtopic it is
pankkake: but yes, typical harassment
pankkake: as long as he harasses only me… I'm ok with it
Duffer1: antitrust != defamation
pankkake: and doesn't even concern people but businesses
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.62356 = 3.1178 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: imagine going to any sort of authority with the claim "an anonymous frenchman is saying bad things about a company i've invested in, and he says he will shut up if you pay him 30 euros"
nubbins`: DEAR GOD SIR WE WILL ASSEMBLE A TASK FORCE IMMEDIATELY
nubbins`: best part:
nubbins`: <h1>You are ALL going to pay for your own stupidity and greed soon.</h1>
nubbins`: what does that even mean D:
Duffer1: that was the only part of pankakke's discourse that i thought was trollish lol
mircea_popescu: rosbif = roastbeef ?
pankkake: mircea_popescu: yes. a nickname for UK people
Duffer1: "Price: 0.005 BTC per post, i.e. 1 BTC gives you 200 posts."
pankkake: so much drama for something that netted me 0 BTC
mircea_popescu: "And yes European Antitrust Laws protect companies before things happen like that here, it is not only a scandal it shows me how unprofessional and jealous you people works, there is a lot of incompetence in the room now but not on my site."
mircea_popescu: not bad.
mircea_popescu: "I copy the whole IRC chat of you guys since 26.4.2013 i am sure there are so many interesting things inside."
mircea_popescu: imagine, reading the whole log.
Duffer1: the first time i've ever heard reading the log could be a bad thing
mircea_popescu: well... it's the nature of the clueless to misrepresent. so he things it'd be a bad thing.
mircea_popescu: irl, either he reads it and becomes a better person or fails to read ti and well...
mircea_popescu: no damage.
Duffer1: no change
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.62081999 = 6.2082 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: And here is the body that will no doubt be in contact with you soon Pankkake:
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha jesus god.
Duffer1: it's almost hard to watch the ActM victims lash out at those who would rescue them from drowning
Duffer1: it's tough facing the knowledge you are the cliche
pankkake: and you can't get away from it, I stopped writing in their thread but they're still mad as hell
Duffer1: ken slaughter won't end it so they can start to grieve properly, he keeps stringing them along
mircea_popescu: this is pretty epic tho, the neobee bag holders and the actm bag holders gathering together in one nuclear blast of sheer rage
mircea_popescu: this officially beats the "bitbet followed its faq how dares it!!11" thing
pankkake: many people in common… which is kinda strange, they still had coins, and still investemed them?!
mircea_popescu: pankkake well considering how much effort they put into "outing" imaginary shills, socks etc,
mircea_popescu: and all the nonsense about autorite de la concurrence
mircea_popescu: i would imagine they're just butthurt at what they imagine is unfair competition. ie, they were shilling for a bunch of scams, the scams went nowhere.
pankkake: and they ignored the stuff I found about ken's past get rich quick businesses :(
mircea_popescu: you must have been doing the same thing, they figure, and also for some scams (they figure, cause nothing else exists in the world)
mircea_popescu: consequently, you... um... you took their jerbs
mircea_popescu: so no, they never invested anything. they had hopes of being paid by the scammors. which they're not getting.
Duffer1: i think stuart is a genuine bagholder, i think minerpart is one of the slaughter family, i think that coindesk guy is a scammer
mircea_popescu: you may be right.
CheckDavid: I don't understand scamming
CheckDavid: Such a waste of talent
CheckDavid: Or time
CheckDavid: In case of talentless scammers
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid people that have a problem with authority usually end up toiling on their own.
mircea_popescu: there's some discussion of the scammer as a tragic figure in the logs but i'm kinda too lazy to hunt for it.
CheckDavid: I see. As in a profile?
CheckDavid: You were profiling the a average scammer?
mircea_popescu: pankkake what i don't understand of all this is... why do you pm with these dorks ?
pankkake: they PM me
mircea_popescu: even so.
pankkake: I finally stopped caring and they suck me back in :(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` why is your forum avatar so angry ?
pankkake: fuck that shit!
ozbot: Threats to extort and blackmail BCT companies by the user 'pankkake'
Duffer1: lmao
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.063 = 0.189 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: davout wait wait WAIT! they actually used a pic of gainsbourg as part of doxxing one of you two ?!
mircea_popescu: aww pity.
mircea_popescu: something like this'd kick ass.
pankkake: they didn't even link the openbsd poster with you
mircea_popescu: especially if it were someone obscenely famous, dali, warhol...
mircea_popescu: we could have a super secret super club, like the mile high club, except more nerdy. "people who have been made famous by misdoxxing"
CryptX: !ticker h peta
assbot: [HAVELOCK:PETA] 1D: 0.06050000 / 0.06346524 / 0.06994775 (254 shares, 16.12017208 BTC), 7D: 0.05950000 / 0.06851882 / 0.07499085 (2012 shares, 137.85986461 BTC), 30D: 0.05950000 / 0.07277824 / 0.11379998 (7599 shares, 553.04185941 BTC)
mircea_popescu: turbo_ac100 by the way, this reminds me, what happened wit the firefox bitbet plugin ?
mircea_popescu: 21:00:33 pankkake: just hope they don't crawl http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/
mircea_popescu: not only crawled man full downloaded by me and given to police next days!
benkay: openbsd poster?
mircea_popescu: o look. les flics gotta read 98794387593725 mp lines now.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.62000001 BTC [-]
benkay: pankkake: poster?
mwashaka: whats looking better, AM or PETA?
pankkake: in a posted pic… maybe it was removed (hopefully)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 56 @ 0.00644994 = 0.3612 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: mircea_popescu: and the quote is out of context :( it was about domain bots
mircea_popescu: pankkake i expected no less.
mircea_popescu: mwashaka remind me, what's peta do ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00646347 = 0.2973 BTC [+] {5}
mwashaka: mining op
mwashaka: run by CryptX
mwashaka: Peta-Mine
mircea_popescu: ;;rated cryptx
Duffer1: is there !bash for bitcointalk?
mircea_popescu: now i broke gribble ;/
nubbins`: it's because nobody's ponying up their fuckin taxes
nubbins`: granted, the game ended up being called eulora, so i guess it's moot anyway
nubbins`: man, that stuart guy is really unpleasant
mircea_popescu: mwashaka so they say they bought some bitfury chips and sorta-kinda pay out about 50% of whatever "investors" invest
ozbot: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE
mircea_popescu: am is dubious at this point, but at least it has an actual history.
mwashaka: ahhh that was the old mine
mwashaka: it has been redone since
mwashaka: hashing at 150TH/s now
mwashaka: have orders for a further 600 TH/s
mwashaka: it looks good
mircea_popescu: kinda besides the point. a history of not respecting contracts isn't washed away by adding more numbers.
mwashaka: but im not really in with AsicMiner, but it seems good what they are doing
mwashaka: are you saying CryptX has a history of not delivering?
nubbins`: ah, i forgot about those guys
mircea_popescu: mwashaka it'
mircea_popescu: s just another one instance of the scammy forum asset.
ozbot: [BTC-TC] CryptX introduces the PETA-MINE - 18,000 CHIPS IN SEPTEMBER/UPDATE
mircea_popescu: for as long as btc inflows stay net positive it'll be ok im sure.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` shocking how that 50% thing works innit.
nubbins`: like sticking your peepee in a light socket
mwashaka: thanks both, this is a great insight
mwashaka: think i will lean towards AsicMiner until they are more transparent, as that is my current issue with them
nubbins`: !t h peta
assbot: [HAVELOCK:PETA] 1D: 0.06050000 / 0.06346524 / 0.06994775 (254 shares, 16.12017208 BTC), 7D: 0.05950000 / 0.06851882 / 0.07499085 (2012 shares, 137.85986461 BTC), 30D: 0.05950000 / 0.07274519 / 0.11379998 (7592 shares, 552.28145936 BTC)
mircea_popescu: now, as far as asicminer goes, it's been a great asset so far, however, it's not without its problems
mircea_popescu: so do your reading etc.
mwashaka: i will do, thank you both, its much appreciated
mwashaka: mircea, are you MPOE-PR on BTT?
mircea_popescu: no, mpoe-pr is my pr chick
mircea_popescu: it says so right in her sig you know ?
mwashaka: nope, just somthing hit me, thought for a split second you were the same person
mwashaka: shes a bitch, but she knows her shit :)
mircea_popescu: kinda the hiring criteria.
mwashaka: i like
mircea_popescu: anyway. never trust a self-moderated thread.
nubbins`: never trust a computer
ozbot: MONSTERBATOR ~ Never Trust a Computer - YouTube
turbo_ac100: mircea_popescu: forgot about the plugin.
turbo_ac100: It should look like this: http://pastebin.com/73urimLq
mircea_popescu: o its like a bookmarklet or w/e they're called ?
mircea_popescu: pretty cool
pankkake: OpenSearch?
mircea_popescu: you gonna dump your refling into the results ?
turbo_ac100: not yet. good idea though
turbo_ac100: kakobrekla: you are developing bibet? If you want to go wild add suggestions to the search.
turbo_ac100: reason: "This is currently only supported by a few of the largest websites. An example of a working value is: http://suggestqueries.google.com/complete/search?output=firefox&amp;client=firefox&amp;hl=en&amp;q={searchTerms}"
mircea_popescu: o that's interesting
mircea_popescu: so it needs a suggestqueries subdomain and what, json output ? or ?
turbo_ac100: doesn't say.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5262 @ 0.00093908 = 4.9414 BTC [-]
ozbot: Google Autocomplete "API" | Shreyas Chand
kakobrekla: this is not aware of context
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21300 @ 0.00094064 = 20.0356 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: funny how nobody has no connections to anything ever.
mircea_popescu: all this forum shit starts with a lot of support that on examination consists of wtf.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00094301 = 9.2415 BTC [+]
nubbins`: ah, to be a fly on the wall
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8698 @ 0.00093905 = 8.1679 BTC [-]
jurov: oooh our next generation emerging scamchange owner dotcoin aka markus weiler got into some mudfights?
nubbins`: yeah, apparently i've been advised to figure out who the guy's lawyer is and present myself to him
jurov: you knew he added securities to bitcoinbourse?
jurov: another "next mpex"
jurov: it's behind registration, so for sake of record i'll list what he trades there:
jurov: Symbol: BBS Bitcoin Bourse System Shares
jurov: Symbol: TBN The Bitcoin News Shares
jurov: Symbol: BCS BitcoinCard® Shares
jurov: Symbol: ___ Announcement 2 April 2014
jurov: Investor Info: http://#
jurov: that's all so far. No public trading data advertised or even graphs shown.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18500 @ 0.00093905 = 17.3724 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: bitcoin news shares ?
mircea_popescu: how does bitcoin news generate revenue
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25238 @ 0.00094152 = 23.7621 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;google site:uspto.gov BitcoinCard
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: i guess nobody told 'em ® is not merely a good looking special glyph
pankkake: time to call the AntiTrust Brigade
pankkake: how does bitcoin news generate revenue => https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HTkA9L2J2gY
mircea_popescu: yeah, i think bitbet made a whole btc out of advertising so far
mircea_popescu: over about a year.
pankkake: also bitcoiners === likely to have adblock
pankkake: or lynx
nubbins`: or lawyers on speed dial
nubbins`: wait...
mircea_popescu: i am behind 7 layers
jurov: judging from http://bitcoinsarl.fr/ , the ___ is gonna be cryptotu.be IPO
mircea_popescu: wait, the entire drama with pankkake and davout in the forums was simply some french dork's idea of how to launch yet another wannabe-mpex thing ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 33 @ 0.00619799 = 0.2045 BTC [-] {5}
pankkake: german incorporated in france
jurov: mircea yes
mircea_popescu: pretty sad.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 132 @ 0.00616322 = 0.8135 BTC [-] {7}
jurov: it's actually meta-wannabe thing, he seems very productive
kakobrekla: well as it turns out to be i havent managed to figure out who suggested to put up the wiki
mircea_popescu: where's that nubbins` quote ? "if their business was doing something pointless they'd be doing it very well"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 193 @ 0.0060783 = 1.1731 BTC [-] {4}
nubbins` gestures towards log
kakobrekla: please pm me to set up an account, must have WOT
nubbins`: ctrl-f, magazine
mircea_popescu: i cant find an "edit" button
mircea_popescu: a, i was gonna vandalize it ;/
nubbins`: not sure what this wiki is for
mircea_popescu: me either.
ozbot: PiratePad: or1RSxpueo
kakobrekla: this goes there
mircea_popescu: maybe to give more avenues of haxxorage on b-a.com ?
kakobrekla: its all contained
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla hehe ok. but what's the idea, give me like an usecase for the wiki
kakobrekla: for when the newbies come and ask "can you give me reading material and not the log"
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=289730.msg5993394#msg5993394 << see, now that's a paid troll on point and good at what he does. rapid, efficient, a wonder to behold. not like the rest of you bums
ozbot: [IPVO] [Multiple Exchanges] Neo & Bee - LMB Holdings
mircea_popescu: what am i even paying you for!
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla a so it's not a bitbet thing
mircea_popescu: for some reason i was thinking that
pankkake: maybe a collective Trilema TL;DR
nubbins`: you're paying me?! :0
mircea_popescu: yeah. TCTTLDR
mircea_popescu: The Collective Trilema Too Long Didn't Romprehend
mircea_popescu: course... it'd kinda put the various btcnews sites out of business, so i understand now what this is all about. you're all trying to sabotage bitcoinsarl, jarl and etc.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as encouragement, i'll gift either 100k ATC or 0.1 BTC for the best article there.
mircea_popescu: winner's choice.
jurov: hi dotcoin
dotcoin: hi jurov
mircea_popescu: jurov you two know each other ?
dotcoin: why talking so bad about me
jurov: i§m his happy shareholder
dotcoin: yes we know i think
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 72250 @ 0.00094469 = 68.2539 BTC [+] {5}
jurov: since before bitcoinbourse launch
dotcoin: yes happy shareholders not accuse the company of scam
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust dotcoin
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user dotcoin: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=dotcoin | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=dotcoin | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: you seem to be having a bit of a problem there dotcoin.
dotcoin: do you think so
dotcoin: i think there are some other guys have much more problems than me
dotcoin: so tell me guys where is the problem
nubbins`: dotcoin! my friend!
nubbins`: your lawyer got in touch with me
nubbins`: i gave him all the info i had about pankkake
mircea_popescu: dotcoin inasmuch as you're trying to start some sort of exchange with no experience and no web of trust presence...
dotcoin: i am not your friend nubbins nor i want your friend
dotcoin: you think i have no experience? as you all guys runs many exchanges here i see
dotcoin: or any other usefull stuff
mircea_popescu: yes, we run teh bitcoin.
dotcoin: you run the bitcoin
mircea_popescu: how useful it is however... it's kinda debatable.
dotcoin: for one is more and for the other less
nubbins`: dotcoin we are not friends?
dotcoin: but classifieds this me or my company as a scammer
nubbins`: your lawyer was nice. you are not as nice as your lawyer.
mircea_popescu: he has a lawyer ?!
dotcoin: nubbins stop talk to me please you are simple little trol not talking with you
mircea_popescu: dotcoin ok but you have a lawyer /
nubbins`: says there he has a lawyer
dotcoin: i have a lawyer you too
mircea_popescu: what's his name ?
dotcoin: you can read when you in problems with me on the letter he will send you
Duffer1: hi dotcoin
nubbins`: how in the world is your lawyer going to send a letter to me :(
dotcoin: but what is now the problems here is there any serious discussion
dotcoin: or what is here on
dotcoin: why you troll companies in forums
nubbins`: dotcoin, what is your native language? (just curious)
jurov: dotcoin, you refused to say anything about what was doen with bitcoins from bourse IPO
mircea_popescu: ... so do you have a lawyer or don't you.
dotcoin: pankkake
bounce: "pankkake" is a language now?
jurov: that's even less than several known scammers
jurov: so for me, your case is clear
nubbins`: pankkake is the language of love
nubbins`: aka body language
dotcoin: so what is the case jurov
kakobrekla: the bourse thingy was german iirc
dotcoin: the case is you are friend of martin and he is not happy to get out of bourse right?
dotcoin: what he told you this man
jurov: martin is irrelevant here
jurov: you raised hunders of BTC
jurov: and they are not heard of since
dotcoin: hundrets
jurov: *hundreds
mircea_popescu: nubbins` linguistix specialist says probably dutch or german.
dotcoin: you even know how much we raised
nubbins`: don't panic, i'm only germanic
kanzure: i think i killed gribble :(
BingoBoingo: dotcoin: Why do you have a lawyer?
nubbins`: i don't think he has a lawyer
dotcoin: and if so what is the problem about a IPO is to raise money or not
jurov: wont gonna look it up, i know i am not getting answer anyway
dotcoin: so jurov tell me please what is your problem now
jurov: you are eliza
jurov: tell me about your parents?
dotcoin: eliza?
jurov: etc?
dotcoin: are you drunk
mircea_popescu: kanzure what did you do ?
jurov: i explained my problem clearly
jurov: last time: 1. you raised bitcoins
dotcoin: not real you tell me i rais hundrets of bitcoins and ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo lawyers are like girlfriends, except better. everyone should have a few.
jurov: 2. built crappy website but never disclosed how many of them were used in the process
jurov: 3. want moar
dotcoin: and you want to know where they are gone?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1995 @ 0.00094702 = 1.8893 BTC [+]
Juelcf: the new bourse website looks good and works good
dotcoin: what do you think where they are gone?
Duffer1: MP i'm thinking french
dotcoin: do you think you create site like we have and without paying anything
mircea_popescu: apparently you issued stock, then did a forced buyback at a loss.
kakobrekla: spent them for dotcoin mansion
dotcoin: do you het it for free anywhere in the world?
jurov: i have to guess? blow and hookers?
Juelcf: You guys talk so much shit its amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2304 @ 0.00012063 = 0.2779 BTC [-] {8}
nubbins`: dotcoin: WOW, you did a forced buyback at a loss?
dotcoin: whaamazing company yes
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
dotcoin: show me a better one
nubbins`: Juelcf: hi
mircea_popescu: dotcoin you have this strange comparison to the mean mentality.
mircea_popescu: doesn't really matter what you perceive the average to be. the idea is to stand out at the top not to muddle around the middle.
dotcoin: a so jurov i want to tell you what ever your friend martin lies to you is not the truth, and to accuse me for scam in this case in forums is not the best way to hear the other site of this story between martin and me, you are shareholder you try now to accuse me of scam so what i have think about that? do you think is a productive way for your shares? more than i not scam any
nubbins`_: who's martin?
jurov: i want numbers, not story
dotcoin: i am a real person i not hide behind aliases and be in a forum a super hero member
mircea_popescu: so what is your name ?
nubbins`_: i think his real name is Dot Coin
dotcoin: all of you guys can meet me if you wan and we can discuss
mircea_popescu: isn't that patented by some fatass in new zealand ?
mircea_popescu: dotcoin yes, we can. so what's your name ?
nubbins`_: not exactly but you can still be prosecuted under the Analogue Act
jurov: nubbins`_: martin is our mutual acquaintance that was supposed to be cofounder of bitcoin bourse and helped me to decide to invest there
BingoBoingo: ;;ident dotcoin
jurov: later martin quit
nubbins`_: ah
dotcoin: cofounder of bitcoin bourse hahaha
nubbins`_: sort of like thickasthieves and neobee?
gribble: Nick 'dotcoin', with hostmask 'dotcoin!5d10ab35@gateway/web/freenode/ip.93.16.171.53', is not identified.
nubbins`_ cackles loudly
dotcoin: martin quit hahaha
mircea_popescu: jurov would this be foresnick or some other guy ?
jurov: yes forensick
dotcoin: sorry man you are full wrong informed
Duffer1: Markus Weiler?
dotcoin: yes is the forensick guy
dotcoin: yes Markus Weiler
dotcoin: and you Duffer 1?
jurov: and who are you then?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 well we don't know. guy has a lawyer he can't name and doesn't hide behind nicks but can't introduce himself.
mircea_popescu: a bit of a conundrum so far.
jurov: forensick is martin belobrat and YOU are markus weiler
nubbins`_: mike_c that website looks like it cost about $5 to make
mircea_popescu: mike_c not everyone has python developers at their beak and call.
mike_c: apparently
nubbins`_: ah
nubbins`_: Markus Weiler!
dotcoin: yes ok now all people can call me Markus Weiler if you are more happy with that
dotcoin: Mr for some of you huys
nubbins`_: heh
dotcoin: specialy for the trolls without name
kakobrekla: ;;google Markus Weiler
mircea_popescu: ok, so you're markus weiler and you try to run bitcoinbourse.
peterl: "i am a real person i not hide behind aliases and be in a forum a super hero member" says a guy named "dotcoin"?
kakobrekla: no gribble :\
gribble: Prof. Dr. Markus Weiler — Professur für Hydrologie: <https://www.hydro.uni-freiburg.de/staff/weiler>; Markus Weiler - Google Scholar Citations: <http://scholar.google.com/citations?user=A-2xovMAAAAJ&hl=en>; mweiler (Markus Weiler) on deviantART: <http://mweiler.deviantart.com/>
jurov: ^ typical communication style. no help there
jurov: goodnight
kakobrekla: a there you are
dotcoin: so what now jurov
kakobrekla: must be wrong guy
nubbins`_: ^
Duffer1: dotcoin I was just reading https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=361852.msg4729286#msg4729286 wasn't sure if that was your name or not. Call me Matt :)
nubbins`_: Call me on my birthday
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5050 @ 0.00094769 = 4.7858 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dotcoin so now we get to the part where you issued a stock on cryptostocks and then did a forced buyback for a lower price.
nubbins`_: oh my god, Markus Weiler did a forced buyback of stock?
dotcoin: make a force back i think was for 1 share so can be yes
nubbins`_: at a lower price?!
Duffer1: who was running the pass through?
mircea_popescu: please let it be usagi ?
dotcoin: if this one user have a loss will pay him if contact me, ask now why make a force back buy, tell you martin the friend of jurov told me we must sell shares there, as we not have need, this i stop trading on cryptostocks that was simple and not any to to i rip of a guy of 0.0005 btc
mircea_popescu: can you write that out again but in your native language ?
nubbins`_: en francais svp!
mircea_popescu: it made no sense in english ; i can probably read it in whatever it is you speak.
dotcoin: i am not francais man i am german and i am sure nobody of you guys speak german
nubbins`_: in deutsche bitte!
dotcoin: Fuer dich gerne in deutsch
dotcoin: stell deine frage in deutsch
mircea_popescu: ja, Deutsch wird hier gesprochen
bounce: eutelsat netblock. talk about being out in the boonies.
dotcoin: ja na dann mal los
nubbins`_: danke, ihr englisch ist schwer zu verstehen ;(
dotcoin: genau wie ihr deutsch
jurov: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=347347.0 here you said you are markus weiler
ozbot: Bitcoin SARL Infoletter 26/11/13
mircea_popescu: benkay fuck, she beats my redheads
dotcoin: yes jurov still i am
nubbins`_: sea salt & black pepper on popcorn? sigh
Duffer1: i'd eat that
mircea_popescu: nubbins`_ and lymph
Duffer1: Ich würde das essen
benkay: i'll let you know when i find the moose sausage popcorn, nubbins`
benkay: let's keep this one in reserve for when the SEC gets you, mircea_popescu http://destroyed-and-abandoned.tumblr.com/image/81101546098
mircea_popescu: so dramatique
Duffer1: has there been any followup to that?
dotcoin: ok jurov i guess if you have any questions about anything, you have my email and i am sure you aware of daily newsletters
kakobrekla: you didnt give any answers dotcoin
kakobrekla: now im curioal.
dotcoin: i give not answers about what kakobrekla
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 112 @ 0.00602001 = 0.6742 BTC [-] {2}
Juelcf: i would like to know also what the fuck is going on here
dotcoin: i answer and some people want talk with me german so what now
kakobrekla: you were asked to type what you typed in german
kakobrekla: so do it
Duffer1: hi Juelcf
dotcoin: google translate i not want wast more time
Juelcf: Hi
kakobrekla: like talking to a can of worms.
dotcoin: serious people here can join our newsletter than they will informed http://thebictoinnews.co.uk and people with problems or questions can contact me by email contact@bitcoinsarl.fr
Duffer1: are you not entertained
Duffer1: .fr?
kakobrekla: anyway i tried google trasnlate eng -> eng and it doesnt fix your garbage
kakobrekla: also brb
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00094708 = 6.2034 BTC [-]
nubbins`_: mircea_popescu: sea salt, black pepper, and lymph on popcorn?!
Juelcf: whats the deal with dotcoin? why was everyone trolling?
mircea_popescu: Juelcf who exactly was trolling ? and who exactly are you ?
benkay: not really trolling. dotcoin's being evasive and the channel kinda got pissed.
Duffer1: the engrish doesn't help either
Juelcf: mircea_popescu, just asking
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24562 @ 0.00094807 = 23.2865 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: no offense
nubbins`_: obv a machine translation job
Duffer1: juelcf it started with pankkake calling foul on a couple of dubious offerings by dotcoin
Duffer1: then came to a head today as dotcoin threatened to sue pankkake
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 13 @ 0.05683845 = 0.7389 BTC [-] {4}
bounce: well, maybe we need a virtual courts of teh intarwebz, where you can sue WoT usernames and such.
bounce: s/ a //
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 4 @ 0.05699999 = 0.228 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.0459 = 0.3672 BTC [-]
peterl: didnt they have a Rota for that sort of thing?
nubbins`_: heh
BingoBoingo: I suppose a good rule of thumb for any court would be that parties wanting redress from Pankkake are prolly in the wrong
nubbins`_: peterl it got too real too quick
peterl: what is the use of such a thing if it is not real?
nubbins`_: no use
nubbins`_: fun fact, ROTA was an acronym for Rand of the Ayn
bounce: no idea what that is and it already smells like WTMI
nubbins`_: ;;ud wtmi
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wtmi | wtmi. Way to much information. Often used by women(and somethimes men) to pronounce that something is indeed gross or sickening and they dont want to ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: wtmi
BingoBoingo: I thought ROTA was an acronym for Round, Oiled, Tense, Asses
nubbins`_: heh.
nubbins`_: too many commas, otherwise ok
nubbins`: 1-855-one-bitcoin
nubbins`: or, if you're in a rush, 1-855-one-bitc
nubbins`: lelelel
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21844 @ 0.00094708 = 20.688 BTC [-]
cazalla: "Lol, wrapped some cardboard boxes in inkjet-printed labels, and took a pic of one HF board? Awesome." top kek
nubbins`: "let's use a cell phone camera for the photos for our big announcement"
mircea_popescu: it's a slow drama day, so let's lol at people. http://trilema.com/2014/a-sad-story-illustrated/
nubbins`: fuck-the-cops.biz!
mircea_popescu: bounce we had something like that, as peterl points out. it failed miserably. http://trilema.com/rota-post-mortem
mircea_popescu: and it wasn't no acronim
asciilifeform: in other news, my site (should anyone give a damn) is back.
mircea_popescu: ;;google tribunal apostolicum rotae romanae
gribble: Roman Rota - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Rota>; Rota Background - CanonLaw.info: <http://www.canonlaw.info/personal_rotademo.htm>; Addresses of courts - Arcibiskupství pražské: <http://www.apha.cz/en/addresses-of-courts-text>
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ghetto huh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4702 @ 0.00094823 = 4.4586 BTC [+]
nubbins`: who knows, maybe they couldn't afford a $99 samsung point-and-shoot because they spent every last dime on legitimate businessy things
peterl: Some cell phones these days have very nice cameras
mircea_popescu: this shit looks quite aesthetically pleasing
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cut&paste in cad proggy will do that. symmetric.
mircea_popescu: also the central thing.
asciilifeform: that multi-die beast looks like a thermal nightmare though
mircea_popescu: it does yeah
asciilifeform: why cram them in one?
mircea_popescu: imo it's horrid design, you'd have wanted the 4 separated towards corners or something
asciilifeform: is the author here?
mircea_popescu: but forget the sanity. it pleaseth my eye
asciilifeform: ok i think i get it!
asciilifeform: look at the 'octopus'
asciilifeform: it's designed to fit an intel heat sink.
asciilifeform: hence the quad die.
mircea_popescu: like a girl on 7 inchers. you know she's in pain and likely can't run... but damn that ass.
asciilifeform: it wants to have the same mechanicals as a 'xeon'
mircea_popescu: who knows, that may work cheaper
asciilifeform: cheaper than having your own heat sinks cast, yes
asciilifeform: esp. if you like hydraulic strange
asciilifeform: the 6-pin molexes are probably intel's 'p4' too.
kakobrekla: these are apparently water cooled as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11930 @ 0.00094906 = 11.3223 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: I can take better pics of my Data Center: https://unsee.cc/beziru/
asciilifeform: whatever happened to those folks who sold a $3k (usd) pc chassis-cum-heatsink of solid copper, weighing as much as a man ?
asciilifeform: 'zalman' i think it was.
pankkake: I'm not sure they actually sold it
nubbins`: seems to me like if you remove the per-case judge payment and stick to the yearly sum, the rota would involve a whole lot less QQing
asciilifeform: shame. i have this ancient crackpot dream of being rid of pc fans.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` wouldn't have had any impact in the matter that sunk it
pankkake: there are some passive heatsinks though
pankkake: huge aluminum stuff - but they tell you to have case fans though
asciilifeform: pankkake: show a 100% passive cooled machine that isn't a toy
nubbins`: mircea_popescu well pretty hard to buy off judges if the judges don't get paid any extra for taking the case
pankkake: I guess you can do it if you underclock
mircea_popescu: nubbins` ...
nubbins`: unless i'm missing something
pankkake: I solved the fan issue by putting the machines in another room than the one I'm in
asciilifeform: pankkake: i'm about to rent a whole building instead of flat, partly so i can do just this
mircea_popescu: well you are. inasmuch the defendant passively receives X btc and is then required to return X+e, the entire thing is an extraction engine
pankkake: though the real annoyance always was the noise of hard drives
asciilifeform: but fans still suck in dirt, fail without warning, etc
pankkake: yeah, my GPU fan died, and those aren't easy to replace :(
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the correct solution to the fan problem is to use fanned tubes
nubbins`: what's "e", effort?
pankkake: back to the slower passive gpu, which at least still works
mircea_popescu: all fans in a tube can't fail at the same time
mircea_popescu: nubbins` epsilon
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: apple is selling, i think, a machine of just this shape. but, as you can probably guess, i'd rather not buy it.
pankkake: my case has filters, the case wasn't that dusty after months of operation
nubbins`: mircea_popescu: in the post mortem example, all i see is: mpex receives 100btc, mpex returns 100btc, mpex pays judges 3btc each
mircea_popescu: i wonder why there doesn't exist some sort of magnetic heat extractor device!
mircea_popescu: nubbins` so what you mean is, make the cases costless ?
mircea_popescu: what prevents someone from suing everyone in sight if there's no cost to it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: magneto-hydrodynamic coolant pump ? one sees them in patents often, but for some reason never in pc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know.
mircea_popescu: yet pc would seem one of the best applications
nubbins`: no cost to it? if you lose, it's a 10btc cost
dexX7: rota 2?
mircea_popescu: you gotta make up your mind nubbins`
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ordinary 'heat pipe' works great, so long as you have a massive sink on the other side. heat pipe can be thought of as a refrigerator without a compressor.
nubbins`: i left out fees for brevity in my example
nubbins`: consider it suitably modified.
mircea_popescu: so then mpex has to pay the fees if it loses ?
mircea_popescu: and it can lose without doing anything ?
nubbins`: it couldn't lose if it declined to participate
nubbins`: how else would you deal with a case you deemed frivolous?
nubbins`: throw 10btc at it and hope ya get it back?!
Duffer1: what's the incentive to defend yourself ever?
nubbins`: THERE ISN'T ONE
mircea_popescu: then problem solved ?
Duffer1: hehe
nubbins`: well, if you look at it that way, the rota was a solution in search of a problem
mircea_popescu: it may be said.
nubbins`: suppose i call chetty a poopyhead and it turns out this damaged her reputation so badly that she lost a 100btc contract. she decides to sue me via rota, i decline.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you, i'm not mafalda. i figure things out as i go
nubbins`: now what? nothing
mircea_popescu: nubbins` now you're a poopyhead
nubbins`: joke's on you, that doesn't damage my reputation
mircea_popescu: well not like it has to.
mircea_popescu: whats this, taloncoin ?
nubbins`: i can't keep up with them, you tell me :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8916 @ 0.0009492 = 8.4631 BTC [+]
nubbins`: anyway.
mircea_popescu: im very surprised nobody made bitround yet
nubbins`: maybe the defendant doesn't have to pay a fee because we're not paying the judges per-case anymore
mircea_popescu: everyone with their head in a box, X-coin Y-coin blergh
nubbins`: bitbar
mircea_popescu: not paying the judges per case has a host of problems
nubbins`: toss a couple at me
mircea_popescu: such as judges no longer actually wish to judge. it becomes morel ike jury duty
nubbins`: workload would be the obvious one
nubbins`: but hey, USA has a thousand magistrate judges for a reason
nubbins`: say a judge has to take 30 cases a year or w/e for his 30btc
nubbins`: he knows the workload involved when he signs up. once all judges are booked up, you have a backlog.
joecool: i had a case some years back that was delayed nearly 2 years because the judge assigned was waiting for his retirement request to finalize
nubbins`: exactly so
MisterE: mornin
nubbins`: anyway, you're arguing that salary doesn't work because pay-by-the-hour makes it seem like less of a chore
mircea_popescu: nubbins` and how do you pay the 30 btc ?
mircea_popescu: and im merely arguing that since every top job out there pays a salary + bonuses, that model is unavoidable.
nubbins`: well, how were you planning to pay the 30btc?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16802 @ 0.0009498 = 15.9585 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: unavoidable pff, bitcoin is here to replace &c &c.
nubbins`: receiving btc IS a bonus.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3380 @ 0.00095028 = 3.2119 BTC [+]
nubbins`: anyway, unless that 30btc was supposed to come from the leftover 1btc of the losing party's money (30 cases per judge per year!), i can only imagine that you were privately funding the judges' salaries
mircea_popescu: and if you recall, the 10 btc - 3x3 = 1 leftover.
mircea_popescu: 30 cases a year pay for the 30.
mircea_popescu: i was privately underwriting the risk that judges may not get 30 cases/year
mircea_popescu: that fat tail ended up costing a pretty penny, but hey.
nubbins`: so the plaintiff's 10btc fee is refundable to 9btc if he wins.
nubbins`: all the more reason to avoid frivolous claims, no?
nubbins`: if you buy a can of coke here, you pay eight cents recycling deposit. you bring the empty can back, you get five cents.
nubbins`: i can almost hear the gears turning from here... although it could just be the cat snoring ;(
mircea_popescu: nubbins` no dood. 2parties contribute 10 btc each. the winner gets his 10 btc back
mircea_popescu: the loser's goes to judges and 1 btc left over.
nubbins`: yeah, that didn't work tho
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5737 @ 0.00094708 = 5.4334 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: sure. but the problem was hardly the incentive structure.
nubbins`: so you remove the defendant's fee, which solves the problem you identified where mpex gets bled dry, and you make 1btc of the plaintiff's fee non-refundable, which solves the payroll problem
mircea_popescu: dude wtf.
mircea_popescu: plaintif wins. gets 10 btc back. who pays the judges ?
nubbins`: plaintiff wins, gets 9btc back.
mircea_popescu: lol. plaintiff never wins ?
nubbins`: you want the rota to solve your problems for you, it costs you 1btc.
mircea_popescu: and who pays the judges ?
mircea_popescu: do they make 3 btc if defendant wins, and 0 if plaintiff wins ?
nubbins`: they don't make shit until their contract is up
mircea_popescu: that'll never work.
nubbins`: sure it will.
nubbins`: if defendant wins, he gets the 9btc.
nubbins`: the 1btc -- and nothing more -- always goes to the judge fund
MisterE: who picks judges and where they come from?
mircea_popescu: MisterE was a self-nomination thing, originally. see the article
MisterE: sorry I came in late in the chat
nubbins`: if some asshole sends 100btc to mpex for no reason and wants to rota it, he pays 10btc, you pay 0btc.
nubbins`: 1btc immediately goes to judges fund
nubbins`: asshole wins: he gets 9btc refund. you win: you get 9btc payout.
nubbins`: now tell me if people would be bringing frivolous claims to a court set up like that.
nubbins`: tell me if people wouldn't be encouraged to solve their own problems rather than whining to btc dad
mircea_popescu: i think perhaps you may be optimising for a differen tproblem.
nubbins`: solving all of them at once, really
MisterE: bitcointalk is there the whiners are
nubbins`: i don't think there are any problems left ;D
mircea_popescu: cool. im off to bed.
nubbins`: nitey
nubbins`: rota was a fine idea but just incorrectly structured from the start. it'd probably still be going if it was set up the way i've outlined ;D
MisterE: thanks
nubbins`: having the defendant pay 10btc creates a strong disincentive to participate
nubbins`: at least if there's no fee to register a defence, he's got nothing to lose by participating
MisterE: fees are always the plantiff's burden
nubbins`: as it should be
MisterE: frivolous suits are weeded out that way
nubbins`: you got it
MisterE: wel many are
the20year1: As far as user trust goes, what's more important btc-otc or bitcointalk?
MisterE: I habent read yet but this is BTC arbitration?
MisterE: the20year1: same
MisterE: we;l not same but very similar
nubbins`: the20year1: if you ask people on irc, -otc. if you ask people on the forums, the forums.
MisterE: users here are the top of the pyramid
the20year1: i'm sure the best answer is 'get both' , but i'm coming to realize that trust is good, it might save me some cash over the next 2 months
nubbins`: both is nice to have
MisterE: trust can save you *a lot*
nubbins`: forum people don't give a fuck about otc ratings, and vice versa
MisterE: if you have to shoose get rated by people here
nubbins`: it depends on who you plan on doing business with
MisterE: right
the20year1: Lucky for me, the bulk of my investors aren't on either, however it'd be good going forward to have good ratings on both
MisterE: can I borrow something so I can pay it back and get rated?
MisterE: get them on wot ASAP
kakobrekla: but that requires reading stuff.
the20year1: Well, in my case i've been 'loaned' something like 800btc
kakobrekla: re borrowing, yeah bitcoinpete just did that a day or three ago iirc
the20year1: and out of that, among the 450ish users, some should be on irc & btct
nubbins`: i don't think borrowing and repaying is a particularly good way of building trust.
kakobrekla: never said that .
nubbins`: no, MisterE hinted at it tho
MisterE: I just want to get my rating off the ground
MisterE: kakobrekla: yea thats where I got the idea
nubbins`: so do something that'll make people trust you :P
MisterE: heh
nubbins`: "i got a loan and paid it back" is just another way of saying "i'm not going to pay back the first loan that's big enough"
kakobrekla: suck a dick without biting it off
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00094708 = 10.1338 BTC [-]
the20year1: pretty much
MisterE: lolol
the20year1: Did you know there are 3 grades of ketchup?
MisterE: not surprised
MisterE: easy to make
kakobrekla: tomatoes *SPLASH* ketchup
MisterE: I make my own bbq / ketchup / marinara
MisterE: heh nearly
MisterE: vinegar
nubbins`: garlic
nubbins`: i've got pasta sauce from scratch figured out
nubbins`: haven't tried ketchup from scratch yet ;D
the20year1: standard, extra standard and fancy
nubbins`: i wonder which one heinz is
nubbins`: ketchup and plastic film are two products where i always spend extra to get the name-brand stuff
bounce: you know, there's a long history of (non-bitcoin) courts and such, and also a long history of abuse in various forms. question then is why and when doesn't such a system get abused (or at least not too much, and then what is this not too much you speak of)?
kakobrekla: lolwtf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12702 @ 0.00094716 = 12.0308 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: ona day he has all btc, the next none, the third some, the fourth all again, but on the fifth it seems all is gone.
nubbins`: bounce: generally historic courts did not impose a 10btc fee on the plaintiffs, only 9btc of which will be returned in the event of a win.
nubbins`: seems impossibly foolhardy in retrospect, but they were simpler times
the20year1: There have been courts historically who charge the plaintiff large fees to file a case
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14150 @ 0.00095082 = 13.4541 BTC [+] {3}
MisterE: in thailand your fee is a percentage of the damages you seek
MisterE: and that can get hefty
MisterE: rather like the concept tho
MisterE: some future costs can be paid from that fee though iirc
nubbins`: interesting
nubbins`: anyway, one more link then bed
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MisterE: -assets should fund the space elevator!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15192 @ 0.00095313 = 14.48 BTC [+] {2}
MisterE: news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2014/03/140306-space-elevator-partial-orbit-science/
bitcoinpete: kakobrekla: thanks for the rating! was wondering if you know what to do about some other guy who rated me -1 with comment "Nick squatter using this nick to scam you. Ask in channel to have this scammer authenticate." http://bitcoin-otc.com/viewratingdetail.php?nick=bitcoinpete&sign=ANY&type=RECV
bitcoinpete: seems this guy is a nicksquatter patrolman of sorts
mike_c: did you email him?
bitcoinpete: not yet, but you're right, that's the first thing to do
novusordo: sounds like someone's using your nick to scam others while unauthenticated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.0009541 = 16.3151 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: i thought people knew better than to work with unauthenticated people
novusordo: only complete noobs don't
bitcoinpete: this Michail1 must be protector and defender of noobs then
novusordo: you can message nickserv "set enforce on" to automatically kick people off your username after 30 seconds if they haven't authed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20300 @ 0.00095427 = 19.3717 BTC [+] {3}
bitcoinpete: did not know that, thx
novusordo: i'm sure if you message Michail1 while authed, he'll remove the rating
joecool: ;;events bitcoinpete
ozbot: OTC bitcoinpete
joecool: bitcoinpete: yeah you had a squatter on your nick :P
bitcoinpete: joecool hot damn
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05739998 = 0.1148 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6227 @ 0.00095225 = 5.9297 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!~bitcoinpe@S01060016cbc6cced.ed.shawcable.net', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None
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