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BingoBoingo: Well, he slathered around several ideas
CheckDavid: Possible
punkman: each worth 49 cents
CheckDavid: Well keys not talk about him. I can't represent all his ideas :)
CheckDavid: *let's
punkman: keys open doors
ozbot: Apps with millions of Google Play downloads covertly mine cryptocurrency | Ars Technica
punkman: is ther a scamcoin optimized for phones yet?
punkman: would make sense
BingoBoingo: punkman: at some point in the past I played with a crypto that lived on a single nokia phone
punkman: BingoBoingo: did that ever have a higher marketcap than litecoin?
BingoBoingo: punkman: Well, there was one coin mined and then difficulty adjusted such that a second coin would be impossibru
BingoBoingo: punkman: WOuld the cost of the phone count?
punkman: I don't see why not
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.60500012 = 3.63 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: some smartphones have a surprising amount of horsepower
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4650 @ 0.00094547 = 4.3964 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Two words on this phone, resistive touchscreen.
BingoBoingo: Dunno if this "coin" could have even survived an internet connection
Mats_cd03: on the subject of cool phones, i want to buy an oppo phone now
punkman: Mats_cd03: the trick would be that only a phone can mine the coin reasonably fast, so you can use your phone botnet to make some easy money
punkman: rather than making dogecents
Mats_cd03: a clever malware writer would optimize certain scamcoins for mining based on the presence of a gpu
BingoBoingo: A clever malware writer could start a phone card bsns based on hijacked phones
Mats_cd03: and how would that work
Apocalyptic: " : he started by announcing 60% shareholding
Apocalyptic: : but he actually owns only 10%”
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 63473 @ 0.00094825 = 60.1883 BTC [+] {5}
tg2: I have an opengl scrypt implementation, works on gpu in webgl, opengl es
tg2: My snapdragon 800 gets like 30kh/s
tg2: But gets hot
tg2: Would be nice on a rogue app with a lot of install base
tg2: Can run it only when phone is plugged in etc
Mats_cd03: thats not bad
tg2: Working on an x11 Version of it
tg2: Cause you could actually mine an x11 coin on a phone cpu/gpu without melting it and get good hashes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 66 @ 0.0061 = 0.4026 BTC [-]
tg2: Sneaky tg already working on your ideas for 2 months now
tg2: If anybody has an app with huge install base lemme know
BingoBoingo: tg2: Do you have any ventures that might need a persistent exposure to the core Bitcoin community?
tg2: I have many, some are still in lab right now like this one in particular
tg2: some are less than ethical and I wouldn't discuss here
tg2: I had an open offer on dogecoin for people to pitch me their ideas and have a few promising projects from that
tg2: just registeted and
BingoBoingo: I have trouble connecting the idea of "dogecoin" and "people"
tg2: Hah, I can't fault you
tg2: I hate dogecoin and I'm one of the top 25 holders of it
BingoBoingo: Last year I was in a similar position with Devcoin
tg2: You want to hear a sad story
tg2: I bought diablo 3 gold at launch for Bitcoins
BingoBoingo: Damn, already sad
tg2: 50 bitcoins worth
BingoBoingo: Fuckity fuck fuck
tg2: 30m diablo 3 gold
tg2: go do a quick price check on diablo 3 gold
tg2: lol
assbot: Last 11 lines bashed and pending review. (
tg2: Spoiler, it's not worth 30k
VanCleef: anyone log into havelock?
punkman: is it $30?
tg2: No
tg2: It's about $2 for 100m or something
tg2: I haven't checked in a while
punkman: welcome to Zimbabwe
BingoBoingo: I actually last year made a decent trading Eve Isk for S.MPOE and then BTC
tg2: Diablo 3 was the game that made me realise I can't recapture the elation I used to have for games
tg2: sad on many levels
BingoBoingo: I dunno, I'm kind of liking The Stick of Truth
tg2: SimCity reaffirmed it
Mats_cd03: sim city used to be good?
tg2: Oh boy
VanCleef: how good is mr slaves ass level
tg2: Gonna pretend you didn't say that
tg2: Sc2000.exe
tg2: Right in the childhood
tg2: i386
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell mircea_popescu: shift return! aha! the learning never stops. ty for the feedback :D
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Not that far yet. My Jew is just Jewing around.
tg2: Anyway I'm not even old
tg2: Ctrl+backspace
BingoBoingo: tg2: What are some BTC ventures you aren't afraid of mentioning?
tg2: Not many I suppose
tg2: with what intent
tg2: I'm sure I'll get to know you guys better
Mats_cd03: lol...
tg2: I really know nobody here I just heard about this chan 3 times from 3 different people
BingoBoingo: tg2: Well with the intent of promoting them.
tg2: And they were all surprised I wasn't in it
tg2: promoting, PR?
tg2: I have my own ad network lol I don't need promotion
BingoBoingo: tg2: Really this isn't a channel where your ideas will get scooped unless you explicitly say "hey you guys scoop me on this"
tg2: yeah I keep cards close to the chest
tg2: good ones anyway
tg2: if you hear an idea from my it's my 2-7 off suit
xdotcomm_: you guys do scooping here
Mats_cd03: what a special snowflake
BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: No, we make news here
tg2: SEC news
tg2: The good kind, you know
BingoBoingo: tg2: Other news well before then
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18583 @ 0.00095084 = 17.6695 BTC [+] {3}
VanCleef: is there something wrong wtih havelock website atm or is it just me?
BingoBoingo: Never really had a need to use it ever VanCleef
tg2: It seemed really slow when I was on it earlier and I'm on a very fat pipe
xdotcomm_: cryptorush is titsup
VanCleef: ok cool thanks
VanCleef: yeh wont even load
tg2: yeah cryptorush drama. I don't get why we don't have a centralized trust exchange yet
VanCleef: what happened to cryptorush, sorry i mised it
xdotcomm_: wtf i though u made the new here
xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: u on this or what?
BingoBoingo: VanCleef: Run by walmart's finest, ended like an abortus
BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: What sort of news are you expecting?
VanCleef: link?
VanCleef: to bitcointalk or something
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23549 @ 0.0009439 = 22.2279 BTC [-] {3}
VanCleef: thanks
xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: I dunno some supery cyber stuff
xdotcomm_: u know whats funny i had like 5mil COINYE on cryptorush
Apocalyptic: hum, been looking for a coin to add to x-bt that isn't an outright scam
Apocalyptic: it's kinda hard to find one so far
VanCleef: ok, just another normal week in bitcoin world
xdotcomm_: yea only 3 now is BTC / LTC /DOGE all other is toxic trash
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Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, NMC is legit
Apocalyptic: and so is ATC
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: i agree on NMC i like the idea
xdotcomm_: i wish it would work
ozbot: Robert Keith Cristopher, Jr ; Matt Sartain ; Kristian Thomson ; Cryptorush : much comedy & lulzgoldm
Apocalyptic: looks like Primecoin was Sunnyking's first attempt at a coin before he moved to Peercoin & other stuff
xdotcomm_: people try to get into sendgrid of a hosting provider to get access to sites hosted
xdotcomm_: its going to get alot more complex
xdotcomm_: i wish people would stop running exchanges without owning hardware
tg2: Discourse welcome!
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: The thing now called peercoin came first, but it was called PPC at its origin
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I see
tg2: xdotcomm_ social engineering will always remain my favorite means of hacking
xdotcomm_: tg2: ur breeliant
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It was short for PPCoin
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, do you know if Devcoin is well maintained ?
xdotcomm_: tg2: people are easier to hack then code :)
moiety: i lasted under two hours before i gave up tonight BingoBoingo this is harder than it used to be lol
tg2: Guess you haven't seen the code I've seen lol
Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> i wish people would stop running exchanges without owning hardware // that's not even the biggest issue
BingoBoingo: Apocalyptic: It isn't well at all. Also has past association with scammers like cablepair
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: not the biggest but one of
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, these people don't really know what they are doing to begin with
Apocalyptic: somehow they got an idea
tg2: If you are running your Bitcoin empire on a vps shame on you
tg2: you deserve it
Apocalyptic: tg2, if on linode your deserve it twice as much ?
tg2: Hah, doubly!
Apocalyptic: BingoBoingo, I suspected as much
xdotcomm_: tg2: seriously ur report is good.. hopefully it will get some good peer reviews
tg2: Review on, peers
tg2: People get so bent out of shape without understanding manufacturing fundamentals
tg2: It's my good deed for the day
tg2: Ignorance is bliss unless you have a vested interest lol
Apocalyptic: I might be forced to conclude there is just no coin worth adding at this time
tg2: Apocalyptic, adding to...?
Apocalyptic: my exchange
tg2: Who pen tested it
Apocalyptic: feel free to :) I did
tg2: if you're serious about it
tg2: I have some serious people that do white hat
Apocalyptic: i like to think i have a serious background in infosec
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: yea whats ur credin?
Apocalyptic: tg2, i have no issue if they wish to run some things
xdotcomm_: I always ask
tg2: boys, but they don't work for free
tg2: if there are some bitcoins in there don't worry somebody will pen test it for you
tg2: Lol
Apocalyptic: <tg2> if there are some bitcoins in there don't worry somebody will pen test it for you // there is a hot wallet
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, I used to be really into it, did some defcon level CTFs with a team
tg2: How is cold storage processing txns
Apocalyptic: mainly specialized in crypto and x86 reversing
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: github?
xdotcomm_: web is deifferent beast
Apocalyptic: web-based sec is kinda boring
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: u think that nginx is safe?
Apocalyptic: i think it's one of the best webservers
Apocalyptic: define safe
xdotcomm_: Not Found
tg2: Nginx has no vulns known
xdotcomm_: text/html
xdotcomm_: Other
xdotcomm_: 341 B
xdotcomm_: 162 B
xdotcomm_: 526 ms
xdotcomm_: 524 ms
xdotcomm_: 524 ms1 ms
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.0728899 = 1.2391 BTC [-]
tg2: Shtap
xdotcomm_: missing files?
xdotcomm_: Cookie:PHPSESSID=j8i2u3e6khl9g839rl8dgh4u22
tg2: I don't think there has been a root vuln on nginx in a while
tg2: very mature core
xdotcomm_: tg2: that u know of
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 5 @ 0.10144642 = 0.5072 BTC [-]
tg2: Never trust your webserver anyway
tg2: it's not a first class citizen
tg2: Jail
tg2: Make sure web app is coded properly
xdotcomm_: dont escape your queries
Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> // where do you get this file ?
tg2: Lol
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: ur website it calls it
tg2: jquery requests it
tg2: grab from Google
xdotcomm_: event.returnValue is deprecated. Please use the standard event.preventDefault() instead. jquery.js:3
xdotcomm_: Failed to load resource: the server responded with a status of 404 (Not Found)
tg2: it's part of the split
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 4 @ 0.10144642 = 0.4058 BTC [-]
tg2: when they split jquery min
tg2: They put some shit in map
xdotcomm_: spits shit in my chrome console
tg2: Had the same problem on a bootstrap site
tg2: What's the volume on x-bt?
Apocalyptic: depends on the market
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: y u use ovh dns?
Apocalyptic: the most active one is ATC/BTC thanks to asseteers here
tg2: Chicken and egg huh
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, cause ovh is where i registered it ?
xdotcomm_: sounds safe
tg2: Put darkcoin on it
Apocalyptic: (and no there is no ovh box in the infra)
xdotcomm_: 3rd party dns is always good
tg2: Ovh failover ip's make me rage so much
xdotcomm_: i recommend especially och
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18050 @ 0.00094266 = 17.015 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 10 @ 0.0161 = 0.161 BTC [-]
benkay: tg2: centralized trust exchange lolwutf?
tg2: but 399/mo for a dual e5v2 10core with 256G of ram is juicy
tg2: Decentralized
xdotcomm_: yea p2p exchange
xdotcomm_: wallet
tg2: Why are people retweeting my shit days later
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 14 @ 0.01600071 = 0.224 BTC [-] {3}
tg2: Learn 2social bros
xdotcomm_: tg2: cause ur tweets are classic
tg2: They get cooler over time
xdotcomm_: like that gospel
tg2: I don't even think I'd trust ovh with wallet keys though
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.016 = 0.48 BTC [-]
benkay: asserting: CheckDavid is ninjashogun
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, curiously enough the missing js file doesn't seem to prevent the js from running correctly
tg2: takes those fucks 2 days to give a new ripe block
Apocalyptic: <tg2> I don't even think I'd trust ovh with wallet keys though // probably wise
tg2: Smooth assertion
Apocalyptic: davout could elaborate on that
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05589999 = 0.2795 BTC [+]
tg2: Who is that benkay?
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: just letting u know man.. I dont care either way.. I had an exchange with proper engine coded month ago... dont feel like launching it cause the paranoi is not the state i wanna be in 24/7
benkay: xdotcomm_: what is this report you mention?
benkay: tg2: before your time.
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, I know how you feel heh
tg2: Enlighten me
Apocalyptic: I can assure you my engine is properly coded too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.0479 = 0.2395 BTC [+]
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: how u match trades?
xdotcomm_: benkay: report?
Apocalyptic: it's been running for almost a year now, with a pause in summer
tg2: Why no volume
Apocalyptic: ^ ask them alt traders
benkay: tg2: pay me.
xdotcomm_: haha
Apocalyptic: tg2, because they want to flit the new hotest scamcoin available ?
xdotcomm_: its oepn asuce
benkay: tg2: or read logs. your call.
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: i mean what methods u use to match trades
tg2: I read them
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xdotcomm_: and if u do it in c?
Apocalyptic: tg2, and get funds "stolen" like in coinex, cryptorush, openex and so on.. seems more fun i'm sure
xdotcomm_: trojancoins...
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, what methods ? It matches orders as it should match them
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: by time placed?
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, for the same price yes of course
Mats_cd03: we need some sort of fee to prevent dummies from typing in here
Apocalyptic: it's not time but ID if I recall, cause the time doesn't have enough granularity
Mats_cd03: seriously what is going on? "how to match trades with c"
xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: do u even know what ur saying
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 169 @ 0.00278995 = 0.4715 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: no apparently im coked to the fucking gills
xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: pass me ur supplier
xdotcomm_: there is more then one way
xdotcomm_: you cant do it properly in php/js
benkay: Mats_cd03: just ignore everyone sub 1 in your Wot.
xdotcomm_: so either c or c++ would be the best way
BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: What about GNU Guile?
xdotcomm_: I do it on my toaster typically
xdotcomm_: I trade penut butter for jelly
BingoBoingo: Or SBCL?
benkay: ;;gettrust tg2
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
benkay: haw
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust chatquack
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user chatquack: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:18 2014
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust xdotcomm_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user xdotcomm_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
xdotcomm_: I am level 0
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust benkay
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user benkay: Level 1: 2, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
Mats_cd03: i dont have a wot yet benkay
tg2: Scrub level trust
BingoBoingo: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 6, Level 2: 11 via 7 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
benkay: Mats_cd03: trust is complex and not solely dependent on wot
xdotcomm_: BingoBoingo: I trust tg2 how do i vte for him
benkay: har socks trusting socks trusting socks
benkay: you lurk
benkay: contribute
tg2: 16156 days
benkay: exceed like 6 mos or something
tg2: Wat
benkay: identity is a function of raters, ratings and duration
tg2: That would make me a btc advocate before btc existed
benkay: methinks you miss the point.
benkay: computers have a hard time with infinity.
tg2: Hah ok give me 5 minutes I'll prove beyond a shadow of a doubt
benkay: prove what?
tg2: I'll pm you
benkay: that you can make a gpg key?
tg2: No, better
tg2: hold on
benkay: identity is a journey, not a hurdle.
tg2: Hold up lemme get a my sin out
benkay: (conj 'list-of-ninjashogun-suspected-socks 'tg2)
Apocalyptic: dem socks
benkay: i'm halfway expecting a satoshi hoard signature at this point, but that'd be too good.
benkay: a vanity address from back in the day?
BingoBoingo: benkay: All to likely twist, Satoshi never mined to addresses he held private keys to
benkay: nigga please satoshi threw those keys away long ago
benkay: only way to ensure success
benkay: brother's way more interested in success than personal wealth
benkay: success = some crazy fn
BingoBoingo: ;;google the drinking record barrel fire
gribble: Fire Hydrant Operation and Inspection - <>; Fire hydrant - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Lammers Barrel Factory - US Environmental Protection Agency: <>
BingoBoingo: I am disapoint
benkay: dorp
benkay: that's what you get for relying on teh gewgs
ozbot: A Proper Barrel Fire: A secure way to dispose of data storage | Bingo Blog
BingoBoingo: Prolly the post I am proudest of
xdotcomm_: where dem satoshi codes
tg2: inb4 satoshi sig
benkay: tg2: please dox yourself.
benkay: xdotcomm_: please dox yourself.
xdotcomm_: benkay: dox?
benkay: ;;ud dox
gribble: | Dox, or being doxed, in terms of online forum sites, is the physical equivalent of being butt-raped irl. Just as all the greats have, when a person is "doxed", ...
ozbot: Urban Dictionary: dox
benkay: don't make me google for you.
tg2: google on good sir
tg2: gewg it up
tg2: ain't nobody bending over backwards in here to prove who they are or aren't
benkay: was that intended to be from xdotcomm_, tg2?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19950 @ 0.00095035 = 18.9595 BTC [+] {2}
tg2: take it for what it's worth
benkay: the vast majority of us are trivially doxxable.
tg2: dox on
benkay: no, that's not the point.
benkay: the point is confirming that this isn't a sustained social engineering attack.
xdotcomm_: on what?
tg2: ok hold the phone
tg2: haha
tg2: i want to hear what this is we're attacking
tg2: lemme get some popcorn
BingoBoingo: ;;ident
xdotcomm_: i am going to watch bearing sea gold
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
tg2: lol
tg2: watch underice one
tg2: its good
BingoBoingo: ;;ident tg2
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@', is not identified.
tg2: that ip is my netrange
BingoBoingo: ;;ident xdotcomm_
gribble: Nick 'xdotcomm_', with hostmask 'xdotcomm_!', is not identified.
tg2: you'll see that it is in montreal
xdotcomm_: not really hiding
xdotcomm_: bell dsl
BingoBoingo: ;;ident benkay
gribble: Nick 'benkay', with hostmask 'benkay!', is not identified.
tg2: super bell dsl proxies
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:86dbd1c410f4c909038fe2522989ebb330ba68bb7ead5be28b8a1eab
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
Apocalyptic: xdotcomm_, was that you that got banned from -dev some days ago because you were trying to build a dogecoin explorer and wanted to know how to get the "FROM address" ?
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: :)
tg2: bustedddd
xdotcomm_: he got me
tg2: you ended up getting it to work tho right
benkay: this is how this works
benkay: you either wot
benkay: or you walk
xdotcomm_: I am the doge guy i admit
BingoBoingo: ;;rated benkay
gribble: You rated user benkay on Wed Mar 5 02:09:53 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Good at things he does.
xdotcomm_: we come here to promote doge
Apocalyptic: I have a particulary good memory for nicks
benkay: ;;rated BingoBoingo
gribble: You rated user BingoBoingo on Tue Mar 4 02:06:59 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: good sport wot wot.
xdotcomm_: Makes sense
xdotcomm_: the dox system
xdotcomm_: let me know
benkay: ;;rated mircea_popescu
gribble: You rated user mircea_popescu on Mon Mar 3 02:50:38 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: None.
tg2: lemme just upload my passprot
xdotcomm_: Not hiding
benkay: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
tg2: lez do it
BingoBoingo: ;;rated mircea_popescu
gribble: You rated user mircea_popescu on Wed Mar 5 02:09:07 2014, with a rating of 6, and supplied these additional notes: Rating upgraded for continued excellence in Bitcoin ventures.
xdotcomm_: mtgox has my recent copy.. so does everyone else I get
BingoBoingo: ;;rated asciilifeform
gribble: You rated user asciilifeform on Sun Nov 24 22:09:43 2013, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Making computing sane.
benkay: ;;gettrust xdotcomm_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user xdotcomm_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
tg2: lol
benkay: ;;gettrust tg2
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
tg2: so you want us to wot up
benkay: us!
xdotcomm_: is there a how to on this?
benkay: what is this us?
Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> mtgox has my recent copy.. so does everyone else I get // a fair assumption
tg2: i know xdotcomm_
tg2: we're both active in crypto
benkay: a bold claim for unregistered handles.
tg2: I'm reg'd on freenode
xdotcomm_: there is crypto outside of bitcoin
benkay: yeah but this is bitcoin.
benkay: (sparta)
xdotcomm_: i am reged on freenode too
benkay: (bitcoin)
benkay: so am i
xdotcomm_: benkay: we come with gifts
benkay: big f'n whoop
tg2: so you just want us to reg on WOT?
Apocalyptic: tg2, so you're a doge promoter too ?
tg2: i don't see what that will achieve
benkay: no, you build an identity.
BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: Well, did you do RSA? ECC?
benkay: there's about a light year of difference.
xdotcomm_: i do mostly brick and mortar security
tg2: ok I just dont' see why registering on WOT and vouching for eachotehr does anything if there is no trust to begin with
tg2: is that not the point of WOT?
benkay: precisely.
xdotcomm_: I dont mind WOT tbh
benkay: this doesn't change overnight.
tg2: I'll WOT Up
xdotcomm_: is there a how to?
benkay: ;;help
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation:
tg2: I'll wot you so hard
Apocalyptic: Bingo has one
tg2: gonna wot this bitch up so hard
benkay: ;;gpg
gribble: Error: "gpg" is not a valid command.
tg2: yall gonna be in my WOT in no time
benkay: great
benkay: welcome to the club
BingoBoingo: ;;google Bingo Blog GPG guide
gribble: PGP/GPG Guide | Bingo Blog: <>; Bingo Blog | - of Bitcoin and Boingo: <>; PGP Public Key | Bingo Blog: <>
xdotcomm_: !help
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
tg2: can I just use my email pgp that I already have?
tg2: or beter to reg a new one just for this?
tg2: or does it matter
benkay: all things worthy of consideration
benkay: tanstaafl
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4200 @ 0.00095022 = 3.9909 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: you can use whatever gpg key you have a private key for
xdotcomm_: ill doo this tomorow .. to seems complicated
BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
xdotcomm_: there is no short guide etc
tg2: is this necessary for anything?
benkay: only relevance, tg2.
xdotcomm_: to establish rappor
tg2: tbh trust is gained over time without pgp keys
BingoBoingo: tg2: If you have to ask you can't afford it.
xdotcomm_: so they dont think ur trolling them
tg2: shall we sport our pgp keys sir
ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
Mats_cd03: what a pair of cuties
tg2: if you guys only knew the half of what we do in crypto lol
Mats_cd03: do you have matching haircuts too
xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: are u the resident troll?
tg2: i feel like a kid in a new school who has to proove that he's cool
tg2: this is great
tg2: I haven't felt this way in a long time
xdotcomm_: Mats_cd03: dont worry I wont take your spot
tg2: lol
bitcoinpete: are you boys on osx or windoze?
tg2: good thought experiment though, how can two people prove they are in fact different people!
tg2: skype 3 way call?
tg2: hard to impersonate 2 different people simultaneously!
xdotcomm_: bitcoinpete: i am on my 3d printer
BingoBoingo: tg2: Each of you writes a secret string on your taint and uploads pics
benkay: the operating theory is that there are two warm bodies behind this.
xdotcomm_: this is going to happen ... alts are falling we going back to the basics
tg2: there are
tg2: I don't see what we're being accused of yet
xdotcomm_: get used it ... more noobs are coming
Mats_cd03: tg2: actually i am benkay BingoBoingo bitcoinpete and Apocalyptic
tg2: other than being friends IRL and being in this chan and both having projects in crypto
Mats_cd03: its sockpuppets all the way up, sucka
tg2: fuck props for being able to juggle that ;D
BingoBoingo: ;;ident Mats_cd03
gribble: Nick 'Mats_cd03', with hostmask 'Mats_cd03!sid23029@gateway/web/', is not identified.
tg2: there are 2 people in here
tg2: lol
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Seems you arent
tg2: just a huge myriad of conversations
Apocalyptic: <xdotcomm_> get used it ... more noobs are coming // can't wait
tg2: I'd be impressed
Mats_cd03: its not that youre new, or that you have to be cool
tg2: what else is there to do when you have an IQ of 180 other than sock puppet with yourself
xdotcomm_: Apocalyptic: u seem chill we actually did productive stuff
tg2: amirite
Mats_cd03: youre boring
Apocalyptic: not denying you did
xdotcomm_: I am on the crypto grind 24/7 making blockchain explorers while getting head in blockchain explorers
xdotcomm_: and for reals I am super easy to find verify.. I live a public life
bitcoinpete: i like how there's this whole "why wot, why pgp" when i just wrote a fucking article on it 3 hours ago
tg2: just not on block-explorer cause that shit is slow ass fuck
tg2: bitcoinpete, link?
benkay: xdotcomm_: so dox yourself - what's so hard?!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28746 @ 0.00094175 = 27.0715 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: do you need me to go first?
tg2: what will doxing get?
Apocalyptic: a cookie
tg2: approval from internet strangers
tg2: shit sign me up
tg2: vying so hard
benkay: either you don't get it or you're trolling hard
benkay: but an amelioration of the suspicion that you're a ninjashogun alt
bitcoinpete: tg2: if you don't need internet strangers and the feeling is mutual, there's really no need
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Consider this an oral defense
tg2: well, sadly, xdotcomm_ is the only one that can vouch that I'm not him haha
tg2: and well, ninjashogun himself
benkay: an utterly unremarkable claim.
tg2: yeah, ubt again, I don't really have much motivation to prove otherwise
benkay: from utterly untrustworthy handles.
Apocalyptic: tg2, so you know the ninja guy IRL too ?
tg2: so I guess that's that
tg2: define IRL
BingoBoingo: tg2: You can each write a unique message with a sharpie on your cheeks stick in in your pooper and post pics
tg2: i have chatted with him on skype
BingoBoingo: Time honored alternative to GPG
tg2: and spoken to him on skype
tg2: BingoBoingo, sharpie in pooper
tg2: legit ident
tg2: haha
bitcoinpete: bingoboingo: lol priceless
Apocalyptic: it actually happened
tg2: x might be down
tg2: careful with that fuck
BingoBoingo: It happesn all the time here
tg2: yeah this is /b/ and we're summerfags
tg2: lemme just go grab my sharpie
tg2: and get right back
benkay: springfags, but right idea.
BingoBoingo: tg2: he grabs his as well
BingoBoingo: ;;google really buttcoins nao
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>; Perfect money corrupts absolutely pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>
xdotcomm_: do i just need past my linked in page?
xdotcomm_: fuck
benkay: ;;ident bitcoinpete
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!', is not identified.
tg2: anyway, I guess the end result is that I'm fine if you think I'm someobdy I'm not, that is really up to you and no amount of unaged, unverified pgp can change that
Mats_cd03: have you considered that these two are minors and we're all about to be complicit in child pornography?
xdotcomm_: had to much vodka today
tg2: so I guess I'll just reenforce it alternatively
xdotcomm_: We are not miners
bitcoinpete: ;;everify bitcoinpete
gribble: Error: Could not find a pending authentication request from your hostmask. Either it expired, or you changed hostmask, or you haven't made one.
xdotcomm_: oh wait we do mine
xdotcomm_: u still mine tg?
tg2: 400mh says I do
xdotcomm_: damn
tg2: my hydro bill says I do
tg2: my darkcion wallet says I do
tg2: so yeah
tg2: guilty
bitcoinpete: ;;gpg eauth bitcoinpete
gribble: Request successful for user bitcoinpete, hostmask bitcoinpete! Get your encrypted OTP from
benkay: see tg2 xdotcomm_? it's not hard.
xdotcomm_: do they just want my linkedin or what the fuck is this dox?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
tg2: lol
tg2: I donno, honestly the level of tinfoil hattery in here is beyond comprehension
benkay: it's called an immune system.
bitcoinpete: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:9654ce03645baa8e57db4260daa60d895ce8ac0a08f399eece104276
gribble: You are now authenticated for user bitcoinpete with key 165749929F9A6BDD
benkay: it's not a hard bar to cross
tg2: isn't this why we have nickserv ;\
benkay: your reluctance is highly suspicious
xdotcomm_: are we applying for bitcoin credit cards?
xdotcomm_: benkay: dude like can u go step by step?
benkay: bitcoinpete got loans with a simple ;;ident
tg2: I just don't see the point, but i guess if you want to see a pgp key that I just gneerated
tg2: and if that will somehow make you at ease
tg2: lol
benkay: still, sadly missing the point.
bitcoinpete: ;;ident bitcoinpete
gribble: Nick 'bitcoinpete', with hostmask 'bitcoinpete!', is identified as user 'bitcoinpete', with GPG key id 165749929F9A6BDD, key fingerprint E6625CC14638C4CA404694E9165749929F9A6BDD, and bitcoin address None
benkay: identity being f(raters, ratings, duration)
tg2: yes
xdotcomm_: I kind of get it but i am to drunk to figure ouot this shit now
benkay: y'all ain't getting anywhere on your first noisy night here.
xdotcomm_: true
benkay: xdotcomm_: you sound just like ughlol!
BingoBoingo: xdotcomm_: You aren't applying for credit even, you are applying for citizenry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 548 @ 0.00094464 = 0.5177 BTC [+]
benkay: such conciliatory.
benkay: wow
tg2: hahaha, man i'm gonna pgp up just to shut you guys up
xdotcomm_: can i come back tommorow
tg2: this is fucking hillariosu
benkay: no permaban
BingoBoingo: Seriously though, compliance isn't that hard for others and
tg2: lemme koolaid this php up
benkay: don't forget the === i'm serious bro operator
bitcoinpete: benkey: ughlol^2
BingoBoingo: benkay: ====
BingoBoingo: !=====
benkay: =======
tg2: binary safe
benkay: ;;google bitcoin electoral
gribble: Betting with bitcoin: Site lets Americans gamble on elections, sports ...: <>; Could Bitcoin affect the 2014 midterm elections? | The Daily Dot: <>; Bitcoin Betting for Elections and More - Coinreport: (1 more message)
benkay: ;;google bitcoin election trilema
gribble: Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>; Wikileaks - CCXXXII pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>; Bitcoins, Dollars and Renminbi | Zero Hedge: <>
xdotcomm_: benkay: not acting like a bro
benkay: there you go
benkay: you want to bitch about 'freedom' and 'not being a bitch'?
Mats_cd03: fucking BingoBoingo
benkay: do like 6 months of reading.
Mats_cd03: first photo was meh, didnt anticipate hairy butthole with the second
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: damn, those are some fucking buttcoins
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Maybe I overpaid, but I resolved a sockpuppet situation in the past
BingoBoingo: This is really the only non-GPG to almost establish separate identities
benkay: either gpg, or sharpie in the pooper.
bitcoinpete: yeshiva, sabbatical, whateverthefuck: 6 months minimum
Mats_cd03: was there some sort of condition involving an i dotted with a heart, and a sharpie?
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Prolly
MisterE: how to randomize MAC addy of a Mac at reboot?
tg2: fk sakes, tg2 is too short for pgp name
benkay: some deep crypto asspert.
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: nice takedown
Mats_cd03: with a script maybe MisterE
MisterE: yea found it
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Putting a bet on that was one of my earliest in chan actions here
ozbot: How to Spoof your MAC address in Mac OS X
bitcoinpete: tg2: don't shorten it, use the full TiredGoat2
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: I liked bitbet and found dice boring so when dared by kakobrekla I put 1 BTC on yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16252 @ 0.00094915 = 15.4256 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: I dun really understand what is so hard about using the Buttcoin protocol to establish unique warm bodies behind nicks
bitcoinpete: BingoBoingo: solid. i bet on both sides of a couple recently. first go
BingoBoingo: Prolly could defeat it by outsourcing to fiver even
bitcoinpete: it's all about the protocol
bitcoinpete: we can have smart contracts that self-insert sharpies
BingoBoingo: bitcoinpete: Sounds like ethereum bullshit
benkay: BingoBoingo gets it
bitcoinpete: and decentralized exchanges that sell buttcoin options
benkay: i'd like to buy a put buttcoin option please
Mats_cd03: is ethereum the new ripple hotness?
benkay: ethereum: the open buttcorn exchange
bitcoinpete: benkay: we have a 2 for 1 deal on at the moment, how many can i put you down for?
Apocalyptic: kinda Mats_cd03
tg2: > Ticker queries bitcoin pricing based on's history.
tg2: ahan
bitcoinpete: which is the new OT afaik
benkay: i'll buy an option to put one sharpie in the poopers of tg2 and xdotcomm_ each or 1 option to put 2 sharpies in either of their poopers
benkay: you are free of course to sell them the call options balancing
bitcoinpete: that's basically just the ink in their buttpens
BingoBoingo: To make this market more interesting and establish some serious I will take 1 Sharpie in my pooper for 2.5 BTC
MisterE: BingoBoingo: tg2: You can each write a unique message with a sharpie on your cheeks stick in in your pooper and post pics // Finally a succinct explanation of 2-factor auth!
bitcoinpete: reloadable cartridges.
benkay: we have a taker!
MisterE: no giving feels better
benkay: BingoBoingo is selling puts at 2.5 for 1 sharpie in 1 pooper
bitcoinpete: MisterE: let's see nic cary give that one away!
benkay: given put call parity we should expect to see 5 B for 2 sharpies in 1 pooper
benkay: or rather we'd want to see someone willing to put down 5B for 2 sharpies in 1 pooper
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 13 @ 0.04856922 = 0.6314 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05440012 = 0.1088 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: c'mon, loosen up those pursestrings people!
benkay: poopstrings
MisterE: the relationship of BTC to Sharpies is logarithmic
benkay: ;;ident tg2
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@', is not identified.
BingoBoingo: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'BingoBoingo', with hostmask 'BingoBoingo!~BingoBoin@unaffiliated/bingoboingo', is identified as user 'BingoBoingo', with GPG key id 309BB8D7F3251143, key fingerprint ADD7A9A28F85E5EF1F51904F309BB8D7F3251143, and bitcoin address None
MisterE: no -otc for you eh?
benkay: ;;ident MisterE
gribble: Nick 'MisterE', with hostmask 'MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere', is not identified.
benkay: oooooooooooh
MisterE: ;;auth
gribble: (auth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered a GPG key with the bot for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
MisterE: been a while :p
MisterE: ;;eauth mistere
gribble: Request successful for user mistere, hostmask MisterE!~MisterE@unaffiliated/mistere. Get your encrypted OTP from
benkay: tg2: you see this?
benkay: this is what we call a shibboleth.
benkay: that with which you are unable to penetrate the sanctum.
benkay: without* which
BingoBoingo: To keep things interesting I would take one sharpie and my favorite cross pen in my worst parts for 2.75 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 27 @ 0.00452997 = 0.1223 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: i wonder how much assbot would do it for
BingoBoingo: ;;assbot insert sharpie
gribble: Error: "assbot" is not a valid command.
BingoBoingo: ;;insert
gribble: Error: I can't change the topic, I'm not opped and #bitcoin-assets is +t.
bitcoinpete: we need to change that
BingoBoingo: tg2: The moral of the story is that with WoT you can make and accept offers
BingoBoingo: Your authenticated word being as good as a contract.
BingoBoingo: With out it, you just are only as much better than noise as you can create arguments, but you still lack the ability to affirm any comittments
bitcoinpete: smart contract require smart people not smart machines
bitcoinpete: contracts*
xdotcomm_: I run alot of porn sites
tg2: I get the concept
bitcoinpete: this isn't ethereum
tg2: I just didn't see how this would immediately satisfy benkay's accusation
tg2: which it still doesn't :0
benkay: only time will do that.
tg2: anyway
tg2: I'm submitting it now to the registry
benkay: and not acting like ninjashogun.
tg2: my old pgp was expired
BingoBoingo: tg2: Well for you it doesn't quite, not in the way Buttcoins do
benkay: much crypto.
xdotcomm_: i catch tg on my gay sites all the time
tg2: I only watch them cause I like to see porn with you in it
xdotcomm_: tg2: i actually revealed my info
tg2: where
xdotcomm_: in private message
xdotcomm_: i dont care
tg2: what info
xdotcomm_: not hard to find me
tg2: you are me
tg2: member
xdotcomm_: lol just myself
tg2: :D
tg2: ok so if we're both socks, then that should identify both of us, right?
tg2: ;)
benkay: gents the accusation was "two warm bodies"
xdotcomm_: ur info is not mine to reveal
bitcoinpete: oh my sides
tg2: you still have to post sharpie in wife's ass
tg2: I'll do the same
xdotcomm_: keeping family out of this
tg2: come on
tg2: we'll swap
xdotcomm_: seriously
bitcoinpete: tg2 you have a wife?
tg2: almost 30
tg2: time to get into wife swapping
tg2: bitcoinpete - only one, yes
tg2: this nigga over here tkaing notes
tg2: lol
MisterE: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:64cc01d806a3a90a79e37d07c938af251d0e6c9bd6c0f087a087a67d
bitcoinpete: tg2: that's kinda below average here
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05589706 = 0.2795 BTC [+] {3}
gribble: You are now authenticated for user MisterE with key C97817F2EE7504A3
tg2: is having a wife a luxury not afforded to the bitcoin elite?
tg2: chicks dig crypto
tg2: bitches can't get enough of my doge coins
MisterE: I've done the time but not the crime
BingoBoingo: Well, generally the singular is undershooting things by MP standards
benkay: some of us have wives
benkay: some of us have more than one partner
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05588793 = 0.1118 BTC [-] {2}
tg2: >partner
benkay: some of us are foreveralone
xdotcomm_: some of us are gay
tg2: amgibuity
tg2: detected
xdotcomm_: or trans
tg2: some of us have a realdoll
MisterE: some have a wife and also a "small wife"
xdotcomm_: transcending into the blockchain
bitcoinpete: tg2: i'm sure your bitches love taking cruises in your doge-nascar-impala
tg2: I have kids
tg2: and a wife
MisterE: no kids here
tg2: its terrible
tg2: this chat is publicly logged
MisterE: I can only imagine
tg2: and I say that openly
MisterE: yes
MisterE: forever attributable to you
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05589986 = 0.1118 BTC [+]
tg2: and nobody can reproach me for it
MisterE: heh
bitcoinpete: MisterE: not until tg2 is in the wot lol
tg2: its ok nobody can prove its me... *submits pgp key*
tg2: lol
MisterE: hehe
tg2: shit the only sharpie I have is one of those big commercial ones
tg2: wat do
tg2: gribble pls
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05589963 = 0.1118 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: tg2 work your way up
tg2: your nick is really familliar bitcoinpete
MisterE: ;;later tell tg2 to start with the small end...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05589495 = 0.1677 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Dedovshchina - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
benkay: take it slow, tg2
tg2: do I take the cap off
bitcoinpete: tg2: yup
benkay: kids don't do anal 'cause they don't got the patience.
xdotcomm_: Dedovshchina involves a spectrum of subordinating or humiliating activities performed by the junior ranks: from carrying out chores of the senior ranks to violent and sometimes lethal physical and psychological abuse, being not unlike an extremely vicious form of bullying or even torture. It is often cited as a major source of poor morale in the ranks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.0009445 = 20.3068 BTC [-]
tg2: its called hazing
xdotcomm_: The term is derived from "ded" (Russian: дед, meaning grandfather), which is the Russian Army army slang equivalent of gramps, meaning soldiers at their third (or fourth, which is also known as "dembel" (Russian: дембель), stemming from a vulgarization of the word "demobilization" (Russian: демобилизация) - this word is erroneously used by soldiers to name the event of resigning from
xdotcomm_: the army; this event is also called by soldiers "dembel" or "DMB" (Russian: ДМБ)) half-year of conscription, with the suffix -shchina which designates a type of order, rule, or regime (compare Yezhovshchina, Zhdanovshchina). Thus it can literally be translated as "rule of the grandfathers." This is essentially a folk system of seniority based on stage of service, mostly not backed by code or law, which
xdotcomm_: only grants seniority to conscripts promoted to various Sergeant and Efreitor ranks.
bitcoinpete: oof survey sez: "we not happy"
tg2: its called being a wrothless summerfag
xdotcomm_: just how it feels
xdotcomm_: not a fan of that
tg2: oh come on, submit to it
tg2: submit to others will
tg2: its in your defiant russian blood to do so
tg2: ;D
benkay: tg2 how long does it take to whip up a gpg key?
tg2: so fast
bitcoinpete: it's like watching me, myself, and irene
tg2: finding the proper directory to submit it to
xdotcomm_: yea i can do it but then where do i put it?
benkay: ;;ident tg2
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@', is not identified.
tg2: on my android phone
tg2: its going well
benkay: hahahahahahahahahahahahahah
tg2: lol
benkay: what the first one expired
benkay: now you're typing at lightning speed on your android phone
tg2: last time I used a pgp key
bitcoinpete: ;;google bitcoin pgp otc
gribble: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki: <>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust data: <>; #bitcoin-otc web of trust: <>
tg2: well its that or use windows
tg2: or ssh
tg2: its... so late... benkay-san
benkay: try again tomorrow.
tg2: please take pity on me... i cannot submit so fast..
xdotcomm_: -bash: gpg: command not found
tg2: lol
benkay: no pity.
tg2: r u srs
benkay: only gpg.
tg2: dorian incident
benkay: no feels.
benkay: only crypt.
benkay: crypto.
bitcoinpete: and 6 months of hard logs
tg2: >implying that the internet forgets about it after 6 months
benkay: actually most of us run naked until interlopers appear derping around.
xdotcomm_: the link to OSx guide has expire domain
bitcoinpete: not everybody, just people
tg2: osx
tg2: lol
ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
tg2: there's your problem
xdotcomm_: Mac OS X guide with pictures by Drcross.
tg2: that wiki is straight shit btw
xdotcomm_: fucking domain expired
tg2: lol
xdotcomm_: amateur hour shit
tg2: > osx
tg2: > O S X
xdotcomm_: i need to find a linux box
tg2: i think i spotted your problem
tg2: i'm going to do it befor eyou do
tg2: on my phone
tg2: maybe you can use your smartphone...
tg2: or
tg2: mmmmmmmmm yeah.
xdotcomm_: u mean do it on phone and computer since we are the same person
tg2: yeah realtalk
xdotcomm_: octoniggaz
tg2: use your (my) android phone
tg2: instead of your (my) iphone
bitcoinpete: we need a parimutuel bet on who gets it done first
tg2: bitbet
tg2: xdotcomm_ has a sick betting site in teh works
tg2: yall gonna love it
xdotcomm_: tg2: thanks for outing bro
benkay: bitcoinpete: it's a badbet, they're in cahoots.
xdotcomm_: we are same person
tg2: you bet on whether or not you're going to get your money back
benkay: lzolzozlzolzol betting site in bitcoin
tg2: you send
benkay: lzolzozlzo no gpg
tg2: if you win, you get it back
tg2: if not, no
Mats_cd03: id put a sharpie in my butt for you
benkay: get the fuck out of my face
Apocalyptic: sounds like bitbet
Mats_cd03: for free
MisterE: solid analysis tg2 thanks
MisterE: it's a rapidly moving target
tg2: its never wrong
tg2: fudnamentally it can never be wrong
tg2: unlike benkay
MisterE: heh
xdotcomm_: seiosly
tg2: and xdotcomm_'s typing
tg2: it is shit
tg2: that guide
xdotcomm_: MAC osx link is broken
tg2: it is there to prevent others
tg2: from using pgp
benkay: too complicated for you two?
MisterE: yea was thinking this too
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6678 @ 0.0009445 = 6.3074 BTC [-]
MisterE: minutes ago
tg2: its some kind of sick twisted game
tg2: where they tell everybody to use PGP
bitcoinpete: ;;google gpg tools tutorial
gribble: First steps - where do I start, where do I begin? - GPGTools Support: <>; Tutorials / FAQs - GPGTools Support: <>; GPGTools Screencast - YouTube: <>
tg2: then the guide purposly oomits the parts you need to know
benkay: pgp, gpg
benkay: what's the difference anyways
MisterE: cli is easiest no fucking around
bitcoinpete: there's your osx. fuck
benkay: man pages
benkay: what are even that?
benkay: ^^ widows crypto asspert
benkay: assperters
Mats_cd03: ya really
MisterE: MSCE too
tg2: benkay - I hope we meet IRL some time
benkay: certified microsoft scrum officer
MisterE: MCSE*
xdotcomm_: i am downloading a suite
benkay: threats of violence
benkay: novel
tg2: >implying I didn't mean for beers
tg2: I have more resepect for people I dislike than those I get along with
tg2: ask xdotcomm_
xdotcomm_: hahah
tg2: lol
benkay: come down to portland
benkay: it's just a train ride away
bitcoinpete: is spring in portland yet?
benkay: hack in the living room with the fellas
tg2: i herd blowjobs are cheap there
MisterE: heh I have family there
tg2: supply and demand thing
xdotcomm_: he will come and like buy u beers for pissing him off in the chat
MisterE: hey!
benkay: yeah men are in short supply
tg2: beers?!
tg2: actually
xdotcomm_: maybe just 1
tg2: there is a good brewpub there
xdotcomm_: i dunno depends on exchange rate
MisterE: several
tg2: that I wanted to visit
MisterE: whole craft scene
tg2: one in particular on the drive down from here
tg2: has like 400 bottles on tap
tg2: or 400 bottles *
tg2: and 80 taps
MisterE: McMennimens?
MisterE: sp?
tg2: hold on lemme find it
tg2: you do a x month thing
tg2: where you drink all sorts of varieties
tg2: then you get your cert
moiety: ;; wtf sauce please gribble
gribble: (wtf [is] <something>) -- Returns wtf <something> is. 'wtf' is a *nix command that first appeared in NetBSD 1.5. In most *nices, it's available in some sort of 'bsdgames' package.
tg2: (only after providing gpg obviously)
ozbot: McMenamins - Pubs, Breweries and Historic Hotels in Oregon and Washington
MisterE: lol
xdotcomm_: “GPG Keychain Access” would like to access your contacts.
benkay: mcmen's a shit
tg2: lol
tg2: please
benkay: what you want is bailey's taproom
tg2: tell me
tg2: you are not being serious
benkay: the app for which my shop made
MisterE: yea mams is like a chain
tg2: if not, props cause my jimmies are on the moon
BingoBoingo: ;;fsck
gribble: Error: "fsck" is not a valid command.
tg2: if so, holy fuck your jimmies are on the moon
MisterE: so wondering what else you mean that big?
moiety: benkay, MisterE: ever tried BrewDog?
MisterE: no I haven't been back to the US for a few years now
benkay: moiety: nope. too much good local stuff for imports
MisterE: and even then just a few weeks
Mats_cd03: po-po got you on the run?
moiety: benkay, fair point, its local to me lol. if you ever do come across it, it's really good
MisterE: naaw dawg nobody gonna find me here
benkay: tg2: i'm nowhere near so abrasive in person
tg2: it would be difficult for that to be a false statement without breaking some field of physics
bitcoinpete: it's been a laugh, goodnight all
benkay: night bitcoinpete
xdotcomm_: now how i plug it in to irc?
tg2: lolllll ok stop
benkay: thing is, there are cultural mores over which you're trampling tonight tg2
tg2: putty into a linux server
benkay: consider it an immune response. nothing personal.
tg2: follow that
ozbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
moiety: BingoBoingo: jesus, 1.4million? o.o article does make me love rpi a wee bit more
BingoBoingo: moiety: That Dave is a known scammer
xdotcomm_: Please select what kind of key you want:
xdotcomm_: (1) RSA and RSA (default)
xdotcomm_: (2) DSA and Elgamal
MisterE: surely leased hashing is a scam in an d of itself?
xdotcomm_: (3) DSA (sign only)
tg2: I'm not oblivious to that
xdotcomm_: (4) RSA (sign only)
tg2: shtap
tg2: learn2pastebin
tg2: I'll gen one for you k
tg2: i'll keep the private key REALLLLL SAFE
benkay: oh man
tg2: lolll
benkay: troll so hard motherfuckers wan' byte me
tg2: <signed> guys i'm so gay
moiety: BingoBoingo: he does look like a total gimp
moiety: xdotcomm_: and now you see the benefit of not reading a quick guide. all questions answered.
benkay: funny
benkay: i was just talking to some friends earlier today about how the right way to learn how to gpg correctly was to take a week and read the manual.
benkay: seems like nobody has a week to learn a tool anymore.
benkay: anyone in this channel ever use a mill?
moiety: nah one evening with BingoBoingo does it perfectly
tg2: week? people dont read an article past the 2nd sentence
benkay: lathe, maybe?
tg2: why do you think is so popular
tg2: its a youtube video and 2 sentences
benkay: moiety: you're a little smarter than the average babe.
tg2: 1.5M fb likes
BingoBoingo: benkay: Grandpa used a bandsaw...
tg2: xdotcomm_ can build a 3d printer from scratch
benkay: GP teach you how to use it?
benkay: tg2: doesn't matter if he can't make money with if.
benkay: it*
BingoBoingo: benkay: Nah, he lost too many finger parts
benkay: haw
benkay: finger parts
xdotcomm_: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
xdotcomm_: ;;gpg eauth xdotcomm_
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
moiety: lol
xdotcomm_: ;;gpg register xdotcommer
benkay: you can play with gribble in private to avoid humiliating yourself, xdotcomm_
gribble: (gpg register <nick> <keyid>) -- Register your GPG identity, associating GPG key <keyid> with <nick>. <keyid> is a 16 digit key id, with or without the '0x' prefix. We look on servers listed in 'plugins.GPG.keyservers' config. You will be given a random passphrase to clearsign with your key, and submit to the bot with the 'verify' command. Your passphrase will expire in 10 minutes.
benkay: aw shit
benkay: woulda been more fun to watch him flail
xdotcomm_: i fucking drank man
benkay: dude
benkay: go to sleep
xdotcomm_: first time dis pgp shit
benkay: don't fuck with keys when you're not sober
xdotcomm_: i aint got nothing to hide
benkay: keys are serious business.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12375 @ 0.00093959 = 11.6274 BTC [-] {2}
xdotcomm_: i already uploaded it to rapidshare for tg2
moiety: i learned gpg steaming drunk too.
benkay: daww moiety why don't you play with me wasted?
benkay: i have duct tape...
moiety: lolol ^
moiety: win
Apocalyptic: and we have a winner
tg2: ;;help
gribble: The bot responds when you start a line with the ! character. A good starting point for exploring the bot is the !facts command. You can also visit the bot's website for a list of help topics and documentation:
joecool: xdotcomm_: you sellin?
tg2: ;; verify
gribble: (verify <url>) -- Verify the latest authentication request by providing a pastebin <url> which contains the challenge string clearsigned with your GPG key of record. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
benkay: moiety's special tho
tg2: ;; everify
gribble: (everify <otp>) -- Verify the latest encrypt-authentication request by providing your decrypted one-time password. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
moiety: i try to behave in here, mostly
Apocalyptic: ;;ident tg2
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None
tg2: anyway i'm verified
Apocalyptic: it's good dude
tg2: aww yeah
tg2: AW YEAH
tg2: get on my fucking ident level scrubs
tg2: we really shoudln't have drank so much tonight
benkay: ident level zero
tg2: lol
xdotcomm_: joecool: selling what?
tg2: yeah really
Apocalyptic: ;;gettrust tg2
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask tg2!~tg2@ Trust relationship from user Apocalyptic to user tg2: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
joecool: xdotcomm_: you send the bitcoin
xdotcomm_: to where?
joecool: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'joecool', with hostmask 'joecool!~joecool@no-sources/joecool', is identified as user 'joecool', with GPG key id 4A169504F495E1D1, key fingerprint D7570DDF7F8527E085A6CBA44A169504F495E1D1, and bitcoin address 1JoecooLw8qohGrFrmhCcPN6Gw355FjxBc
xdotcomm_: joecool: u trying to get me to send u bitcoin?
BingoBoingo: ;;rate Apocalyptic 2 x-bt not an idiot
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user Apocalyptic has changed from 2 to 2.
tg2: ;;help rate
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
joecool: xdotcomm_: sure?
tg2: lol
tg2: did you register yet?
tg2: pm gribble
joecool: !gettrust Apocalyptic
benkay: u guise
benkay: rating each other
joecool: ;;gettrust Apocalyptic
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user Apocalyptic: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 6 via 6 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Jul 15 09:32:50 2013
benkay: this is pretty much as lulzy as it gets
BingoBoingo: Fuck it, Imma pass out.
joecool: solid
moiety: await a bunch of ratings from similarly unknown new names in the coming while
benkay: sleep tight BingoBoingo
tg2: good riddan... err night
moiety: nanight BingoBoingo
joecool: ;;gettrust moiety
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user joecool to user moiety: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014
BingoBoingo: tg2 xdotcomm_ Yall dun know what drinking is
tg2: > implying sobriety
joecool: lol i've never seen that message on wot before
tg2: lol
Apocalyptic: joecool, it's new
xdotcomm_: is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
tg2: use --longkey
tg2: you doing it on 'nix cli?
Apocalyptic: night BingoBoingo
benkay: hahaha
benkay: moiety: your ratings are tits
tg2: is it acceptable that my key password is benkay4gaypresident?
benkay: "attempted the impossible, don't think other people's money was lost"
benkay: i gotta hear the story behind that
moiety: i have ratings?!
benkay: ;;gettrust moiety
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user moiety: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014
xdotcomm_: ;;gettrust xdotcomm_
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user xdotcomm_ to user xdotcomm_: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
moiety: ;;gpg auth moiety
gribble: Request successful for user moiety, hostmask moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:2db00ddcee5d2ae977131df20df2c783d9f3fcb201c231adcc7e9b3a
ozbot: NationStates | The Most Serene Republic of Bingotonia
joecool: moiety: apparently
xdotcomm_: ;;gpg auth xdotcomm_
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
xdotcomm_: ;;gpg auth xdotcommer
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
benkay: xdotcomm_: maybe go to sleep
benkay: 1 day does not matter over the course of your life
tg2: inb4 gpg brute force
tg2: eventually
tg2: it will get accepted
tg2: haha my sides are in orbit
benkay: tg2 where did you get your mixer?
tg2: if only you guys knew on what level this is
tg2: x is chortling strong
tg2: mixer? i don't mix. anybody who says so is a lying sac of shit and I will ;;rate them
benkay: i've never seen anyone do that to metaphors before. i want one like you have.
Apocalyptic: "I will ;;rate them" too bad you can't, for now
tg2: i'm putting it in notepad
tg2: for future ;;rating
benkay: i'm still waiting for you both to auth at the same time
tg2: i'm authed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00093817 = 8.6312 BTC [-]
ozbot: Bro Down Stephen Sondheim vs Randy Marsh - YouTube
tg2: this perfectly recaps our exchanges tonight
tg2: ;;ident tg2
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None
benkay: ;;ident xdotcommer
gribble: Nick 'xdotcommer', with hostmask 'xdotcommer!', is not identified.
benkay: "at the same time"
benkay: reading comprehension?
xdotcommer: i cant do this
tg2: lol
tg2: this is a clever ruse
xdotcommer: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
tg2: best sock ever
xdotcommer: y i just registered
tg2: good sock bad sock
Apocalyptic: xdotcommer, ;;eregister is the first command
xdotcommer: yea it says success
tg2: meanwhile x has like 4 gpg keys that I know of
tg2: in my chain
Apocalyptic: did you decrypt the OTP ?
xdotcommer: Request successful for user xdotcommer, hostmask xdotcomme
Apocalyptic: it should have sent you a link
tg2: xdotcommer, you have to disable norton antivirus
Apocalyptic: now you open that, decrypt it,and ;;everify it
tg2: and open internete explorer
tg2: search in the ask toolbar for "gpg fast direct download"
tg2: click the first link
tg2: click all hte donwload buttons you see
tg2: click yes on all the prompts
tg2: ;;ident tg2
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None
tg2: wow, such ident, much fingerprint
xdotcommer: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer
gribble: Error: This nick is not registered. Please register.
xdotcommer: ;;gpg eauth xdotcommer
gribble: Request successful for user xdotcommer, hostmask xdotcommer! Get your encrypted OTP from
xdotcommer: sup now mofos
tg2: holy wow
xdotcommer: so we cant be 2 people?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00093586 = 26.7656 BTC [-] {3}
xdotcommer: maybe there is like 5 of us
xdotcommer: benkay: ?
benkay: strawman
tg2: ;;rate help
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
benkay: booooring
tg2: ok xdotcommer, your shift is up
tg2: inform the next sock they can take over
benkay: so tg2
MisterE: that dude with the 2.5 ph!!
benkay: where are your ratings going to come from?
tg2: ;;rate xdotcommer 10 touched my tralala
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
tg2: :'9
MisterE: nice work those rigs look bare bones
benkay: hahahahahahaha
MisterE: and using Pis
xdotcommer: ok so what can we do now that we could not do before?
tg2: benkay rate me
benkay: why?
tg2: you denenerate shitposter
benkay: eloquent.
xdotcommer: ;;rate xdotcommer 10 shilling like a villain
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
tg2: lol
chatquack: ;;rate bingoboingo 1 pretty awesome
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user bingoboingo has been recorded.
tg2: you rate yourself
tg2: that is how the trust system works
xdotcommer: ;;rate tg2 10 shilling like a villain
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
tg2: solid comprehension
tg2: strong show
tg2: benkay
benkay: monocle gents
tg2: pls
benkay: wot wot
tg2: benkay can has r8 pls
tg2: I'll send you 100 dogecoins
tg2: worth imo
Apocalyptic: poor mircea, he will have a hard time reading the log later today
benkay: poor poor mircea
tg2: so poor
tg2: doesn't even have darkcoins
benkay: top kek gents
benkay: good job falling in line
benkay: no need to even crack skulls
tg2: > implying skull cracking abilities
xdotcommer: benkay: what we get for learning pgp?
xdotcommer: like a cookie at lesT?
benkay: hardcore 4channer
tg2: inb4 250gbps flood
benkay: welcome
tg2: ok cool
benkay: it's a reference for others, tg2
tg2: well I feel much less dignified that before
benkay: don't pay it too much bother
benkay: you'd have had to read logs and shit to get the joke
tg2: but now strangers on the internet know how legitimate I am
benkay: yeah, what's your rating again?
benkay: much legitimate.
benkay: wow
tg2: look at this guy, doge meme'n it up
tg2: what a champ
tg2: you're a half decent guy you know that
tg2: i applaud your efforts at making us feel at home
Apocalyptic: tg2, xdotcommer I imagine you guys like :
tg2: good show
xdotcommer: ahahha this guy tells us to register then makes fun of us for not having rating in their system
ozbot: Acquiring Business - YouTube
tg2: its actually closer tot hat
tg2: irl
tg2: but with more drinking
tg2: and less black people
benkay: you'll get it, i'm sure
benkay: more reads
benkay: less derp
xdotcommer: what about selfpawns?
tg2: i really think its great that you guys are humoring us
benkay: if not derpers, won't drown
tg2: meanwhile xdotcommer authored parts of i2p
benkay: oooh, mega creds
tg2: as previously mentionned, sides are on jupiter ATM
benkay: ;;rate NAAAAAH
gribble: (rate <nick> <rating> [<notes>]) -- Enters a rating for <nick> in the amount of <rating>. Use optional <notes> field to enter any notes you have about this user. <nick> must be the user's GPG-registered username, Your previously existing rating, if any, will be overwritten.
tg2: perhaps tomorrow morning they will have returned
tg2: along with a hangover
benkay: plan to read logs in the am?
benkay: self flagellate?
moiety: this is still ongoing i see
moiety: ;; ident moiety
gribble: Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None
benkay: moiety save meeee
moiety: fucking pretty key i made huh :)
xdotcommer: Apocalyptic: thanks for that vid
xdotcommer: its good
moiety: benkay: its called ignore :P
benkay: they're trying
benkay: identing and all
benkay: gotta have *some* modicum of manners
moiety: treat others as they treat you is my motto
tg2: brb writing a vanity gpg key gen
benkay: after all, BingoBoingo and I settled our differences eventually.
tg2: opencl? opencl
xdotcommer: y so many pople in this channel
xdotcommer: alsmost as much as in #dogecoin
xdotcommer: wait no they have 900+
moiety: i didnt know you had had differences benkay, im glad they are settled
moiety: oh yeah i wanted to see my ratings
moiety: ;; gettrust moiety
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety. Trust relationship from user moiety to user moiety: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Tue Feb 25 20:04:56 2014
tg2: so rated
benkay: well, we trolled each other hard for about a week when BingoBoingo returned from his self-imposed exile lo these many months ago
joecool: moiety: congrats WOT is no longer telling me that you're an impostor and a scammer
benkay: ;;rate moiety 1 not ninjashogun
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded.
moiety: i just needed to gribble joecool!
moiety: lolol benkay XD
moiety: i has two ratings nao :D
joecool sleeps
benkay: quantity > quality, eh xdotcommer?
xdotcommer: benkay: regarding?
benkay: <xdotcommer> y so many pople in this channel [01:00]
benkay: <xdotcommer> alsmost as much as in #dogecoin
benkay: <xdotcommer> wait no they have 900+
xdotcommer: are u saying ur better then dogecoin person?
xdotcommer: so presumptuous
benkay: to use a 4chanism
xdotcommer: u know y i like doge
xdotcommer: cause fast
xdotcommer: and cheap to send
moiety: ;; later tell BingoBoingo i didn't realise you had left me a rating, that means a lot what you said
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: > implozlzolzol
benkay: and inflates infinitely!
benkay: what could go wrong.
benkay: was this in reference to the chatthing moiety ?
moiety: fast + cheap to send is all it takes? better make my manuls fast as fuck then
benkay: in and out
benkay: quick as possible
xdotcommer: tg2: u got those bitcoins i sent last year?
benkay: why u no climax?
moiety: yeah benkay i tried to make it work as best i could but i think i was in a losing battle, large mess
benkay: did you get out whole?
moiety: still going amn't i? :)
benkay: oh goodness
benkay: still wrapped up in it then
moiety: well no its shifted, i only retained some users and code really
moiety: just didnt give in when i shouldve
benkay: to what should you have given in?
moiety: like i shouldve just said no, not taken the site and left it at that. avoided all dramatics and the like
benkay: nobody else to push it off on?
moiety: no and i couldnt say no enough times.
benkay: that's a rough finger trap.
moiety: all ages ago, onwards and upwards as they say
benkay: indeedl
moiety: dwll on things too long and you just go backwards right?
moiety: dwell*
benkay: key there is the "too long"
benkay: there's an appropriate amount of dwelling and contrition from which one can learn things
benkay: but generally don't hurt yourself unnecessarily over it
benkay: learn the html, css, js
moiety: ^ thats what i did entirely
benkay: maybe get a sweet job or something
moiety: yeah im now in learn mode. i did have crazy plans but BingoBoingo said, just calm down and learn a while
moiety: shit thing is i lost my job in the process
benkay: rough stuff!
benkay: how'd that come about?
benkay: not to reopen a fresh wound.
tg2: xdotcommer - ?
tg2: when did you ever send me bitcions
moiety: a few factors, but being so involved in that didnt help. not for publogs
tg2: dont try to get ratings out of me you scammy fuck
xdotcommer: tg2: whats bitcoins is that money software
tg2: i'm on to you
tg2: ;;rate xdotcommer -10000000 said he had candy in his van
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
xdotcommer: we cant even shill each other
tg2: :'(
moiety: so are you guys on oral medication or injections?
benkay: yeah it's bullshit i tell you
benkay: worthless wot
xdotcommer: who was on top of the rating pyramid
tg2: I'm going to write an angry letter
xdotcommer: because there had to be the first guy
tg2: what kind of rating pyramid is this anyway
xdotcommer: the one with power to rate
tg2: who rates the raters
xdotcommer: he gave a gift or rating to others
tg2: how many rates can you rate, really
tg2: and who rates that
tg2: at what rate can those rates truly be rated
moiety: when can i rate people? how many do i need?
benkay: try it, moiety
tg2: send me somebitcoins I'll rate you
xdotcommer: moiety: rate me bro
tg2: ask benkay - he has my address
tg2: we tight
moiety: ;; rate benkay 1 knows trolling when he sees it
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user benkay has been recorded.
moiety: \o/
tg2: ;;rate benkay 10 IRL bro, accdientally crossed streams, never talked about it
gribble: Error: You have to have received some ratings in order to rate other users.
benkay: i'm just waiting to discover that tg2 is pax dickinson or someone cool
tg2: so................. once i get 1 rating
xdotcommer: moiety: whats the site thats giving u pains?
xdotcommer: is it public info?
benkay: i'll probably be mad disappointed.
tg2: I can give out infinite ratings
tg2: benkay, you'll know who I am when the time is right
tg2: and then you're gonna be like "OH MAN WHATTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT NO WAY"
moiety: xdotcommer: it doesnt exist anymore
benkay: ain't nobody in no hurry, tg2
xdotcommer: moiety: was it something cool?
xdotcommer: like
tg2: just when you are comfortable in your assertion that I am not ninjashogun, after years of earning your trust, secretly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.10144642 = 0.3043 BTC [-]
tg2: I wlil reveal myself as ninjashogun
moiety: it was a cool concept, with the wrong users
tg2: you will be left with a void of trust the likes of which WOT cannot comprehend
xdotcommer: moiety: automated type stuff?
moiety: nah
moiety: namecheap will probably be selling .ponzi soon
benkay: .bit is the new .ponzi
xdotcommer: benkay: link?
moiety: true lol
Apocalyptic: <tg2> I can give out infinite ratings // depends
moiety: and are gone :(
xdotcommer: i like the idea of free dns
moiety: no
tg2: manulmode
tg2: raiseyourmanuls
xdotcommer: benkay: i meant why .bit is new ponzi
moiety: oh i hadnt thought of .ls, i was thinking but im not so keen on domain hacks
tg2: damn I was hopnig that .ls stood for lichtenstein
xdotcommer: if mozilla + google adopt it... it game time
xdotcommer: tg2: lichtenstein hosting
tg2: such graphics
moiety: except mine, mine is great. palindrome email ftw
xdotcommer: for .bit u need mozilla + chrome to adopt it.
tg2: ;;ident moiety
gribble: Nick 'moiety', with hostmask 'moiety!~moiety@unaffiliated/moiety', is identified as user 'moiety', with GPG key id 6DF881D6696B6111, key fingerprint E64F1CD74C9F7F955A892A646DF881D6696B6111, and bitcoin address None
tg2: needs more 6's
benkay: xdotcommer: bitcoin's a ponzi, duh.
tg2: unsatisfactory amount of 6's in gpg stub
tg2: bitcoin, the best ponzi
moiety: my key is beautiful. shut up
tg2: ;;ident tg2
gribble: Nick 'tg2', with hostmask 'tg2!~tg2@', is identified as user 'tg2', with GPG key id 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, key fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None
tg2: looks like 4 bitches
tg2: CEO
xdotcommer: benkay: say it aint so
tg2: this is modern day palm reading
xdotcommer: benkay: take it back
benkay: hard trufs breh
tg2: lol
moiety: do you guys ever sleep? js
xdotcommer: sources
xdotcommer: we sleep when dead
tg2: if only you knew benkay, if only you knew
moiety: sounds like a challenge
tg2: well, its early enough to go to bed
xdotcommer: moiety: vampirism
tg2: gnite benkay
xdotcommer: VampCoin
benkay: tg2 if only *you* knew benkay
tg2: coiners anonymous
xdotcommer: only possible to mine in dark
xdotcommer: must have fresh blood
xdotcommer: once u give somebody vampcoin
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05489999 = 0.1098 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: night moiety
benkay: now...if only *you* knew benkay...
moiety: lol nanight benkay, nice article :)
benkay: quit flattering me you
benkay: getcha nowhere
benkay: ;)
moiety: :P
tg2: Wow ok I'll officially tired, I just set a server ip to it's netmask and have no ipmi... lol
xdotcommer: cause in adult what we do is we trust people based on domains they own
xdotcommer: if they can prove ownership of domain
xdotcommer: then we can talk
xdotcommer: this is to niche ... its like reinventing linkedin
xdotcommer: bitcoin is mainstream
xdotcommer: registering with ircbot systems is not a step forward
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05440012 = 0.1088 BTC [-]
jurov: i prefer one can prove ownership of gpg key
jurov: domains can't be truly owned anyway
xdotcommer: granted I am cant think of anything better at the moment but this is not elegant
xdotcommer: i am honored to be one of "knuckleheads"
xdotcommer: yea when I am to wasted to produce code ill hit up irc for inspiration
jurov: elegant things are not good for anything, only to be fucked up
Apocalyptic: I like elegant women
xdotcommer: there was some hotties at the bar tonight for sure
jurov: Apocalyptic thx for supporting my point
xdotcommer: there is no point... I am here cause wasted ur here cause bored
xdotcommer: no business being done
xdotcommer: no code being produced
jurov: but really.. what is elegeant in replacing wot with domains?
jurov: unless namecoin is used .. but then we're back to private keys anyway
xdotcommer: keys are not necessarily bad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28006 @ 0.00093475 = 26.1786 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00093375 = 8.5905 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 5983 @ 0.0026331 = 15.7538 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 1 @ 0.10144642 BTC [-]
MisterE: wtf to do with private key
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 110 @ 0.07086819 = 7.7955 BTC [-] {12}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00093413 = 9.1545 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.00093679 = 22.3893 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07000001 = 0.35 BTC [-]
bounce: back it up. check eg paperkey.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5726 @ 0.00094092 = 5.3877 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.04889988 = 0.1467 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05361002 = 0.1072 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20635 @ 0.00094067 = 19.4107 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4865 @ 0.00094137 = 4.5798 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44129 @ 0.00094161 = 41.5523 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17171 @ 0.00094208 = 16.1765 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: good moornin
ozbot: Good Morning ~ Singin' in the Rain (1952) Gene Kelly, Debbie Reynolds & Donald O'Connor - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13047 @ 0.00093704 = 12.2256 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 101 @ 0.00260062 = 0.2627 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Interacting with fiat institution, a guide pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: zesepeople.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14359 @ 0.00093537 = 13.431 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35221 @ 0.0009401 = 33.1113 BTC [+] {5}
ThickAsThieves: omg total log pollution
ThickAsThieves: tg2 is what? ChaangNoi?
ThickAsThieves: (i have you on ignore btw)
mircea_popescu: i doubt it.
mircea_popescu: goat can't manage to go through two hours without trying to suck up to someone, he's quite eastern.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 20 @ 0.10144642 = 2.0289 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: it was all the claims of riches that made me think so
ThickAsThieves: he's the only one i recall repeating how much he recently made of something
mircea_popescu: i believe that's a more common trait than felony.
cazalla: doesn't chaang come around here anymore (reading through logs, he's quite active last year) ??
mircea_popescu: (before being repurposed by english to mean "criminal", felony denoted the behaviour of the overly-socially adaptable, they who go from inflexible grandeur in the presence of inferiors to abject suckupitude should any superiors show up. de funes in the gendarme series is a fine example)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 50 @ 0.0058612 = 0.2931 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10246 @ 0.00093324 = 9.562 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 330 @ 0.00577263 = 1.905 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18595 @ 0.00094359 = 17.5461 BTC [+] {2}
ThickAsThieves: "However, tax treatment of Bitcoin as a property, and not a currency, may make compliance with tax laws unnecessarily cumbersome and imposes untenable recording and reporting requirements on its users. This is an unwelcome result for most bitcoin users, but is particularly detrimental to those that Bitcoin can help the most: small business and underbanked individuals. When it is used
ThickAsThieves: as a currency, Bitcoin should be a frictionless means of paying for goods and services. "
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6085 = 1.217 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: that thing should have read "We thought we knew better than MP, but we did not. We will now wear rough burlap on the skin for the next year as penace"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16243 @ 0.00094395 = 15.3326 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: this video on the Internet Party site has some laughs
ThickAsThieves: mostly at the NZ pm's expense
VanCleef: kim dot com for teh win
mircea_popescu: the notion that nz has pms in the first place...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.10144642 = 2.2318 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 107 @ 0.10144642 = 10.8548 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34000 @ 0.00094485 = 32.1249 BTC [+] {2}
ozbot: If bitcoins were around in the '90s... - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 37 @ 0.07 = 2.59 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 127 @ 0.00261 = 0.3315 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07288924 = 0.2916 BTC [+]
ozbot: Man Arrested for Public Consumption of Iced Tea Urged to Take a "Deal" from Prosecutors | The Daily
ozbot: A mental problem pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8000 @ 0.00094481 = 7.5585 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2130 @ 0.00094425 = 2.0113 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 76 @ 0.00261001 = 0.1984 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: why does it say "This user has not authenticated for more than 16156 days" ? i've authed like... yesterday
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 220 @ 0.00261 = 0.5742 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: for that matter, otc hasn't existed for 16k days i would hope
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3895 @ 0.00094406 = 3.6771 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00094406 = 14.6329 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.07000005 = 0.49 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16611 @ 0.00094502 = 15.6977 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: mew
moiety: ;; later tell asciilifeform MOTD
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: i heard manuls are now illegal in the united states.
ozbot: STOP the evictions.. 55 Banks Occupied today!!!! | The Free
mircea_popescu: some of the pics quite lulzy.
MisterE: what is up with this dump?
moiety: that picture of bush is a cracker
moiety: mircea_popescu: i think some of them think its a parade
mircea_popescu: or something.
moiety: im glad manuls are illegal in the us, they dont have to deal with the gvt. also not naturally there so they should be left alone to survive as long as possible.
VanCleef: wow bitcoin prices are dropping alot, awesome
moiety: i think these ones are just protesting for legal front of a bank
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00261411 = 1.5685 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 530.0, Best ask: 531.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.00000, Last trade: 530.01, 24 hour volume: 20457.00800923, 24 hour low: 521.3, 24 hour high: 592.0, 24 hour vwap: 557.384556905
mircea_popescu: it's been dropping ?
mircea_popescu: last i looked i recall it was also 550
VanCleef: yeh dropped to 521 on stamp
ozbot: BBC News - North Korea: Students required to get Kim Jong-un haircut
VanCleef: hehe yeh read thtat, tis funny
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1750 @ 0.00094272 = 1.6498 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: i wonder what'll happen should kim herp-derp decide to shave his balls.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 115 @ 0.0026006 = 0.2991 BTC [-] {3}
VanCleef: i think he already does
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07288944 = 0.2916 BTC [+]
chetty: he has balls?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.00574449 = 0.5744 BTC [-] {7}
VanCleef: i hope he goes bald then every male has to have a bald haircut my hair is thinning so if i go bald too i am so moving to north korea because you'll be able to get all teh chicks as baldness becomes cool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07288955 = 0.1458 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 6 @ 0.05489775 = 0.3294 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 6 @ 0.04791 = 0.2875 BTC [-]
chetty: bald is sexy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9262 @ 0.00094272 = 8.7315 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 90 @ 0.00421998 = 0.3798 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [DEALCO] 89 @ 0.00410519 = 0.3654 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 3 @ 0.07801016 = 0.234 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 12 @ 0.07801014 = 0.9361 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.61 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.6075 = 1.215 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 432 @ 0.0025 = 1.08 BTC [+]
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to drop under $500 before May
TomServo: pretty quick swing there!
MykelSIlver: What is the Low on Bitstamp?
MykelSIlver: Seems it was breefly on $500
assbot: I don't know those people, and they don't look very friendly.
assbot: List of commands:
assbot: !ticker <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns current ticker values, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !t}
assbot: !last <exchange> <ticker> (desc: returns last price value, supported: MPEX, HAVELOCK, BTCTCO) {short: !l}
assbot: !mp <signcrypted url> (desc: returns the response from MPEX order)
assbot: !rules <nick/chan> (desc: chan guidelines) {short: !r}
assbot: !exchanges <nick/chan> (desc: lists exchanges and brokers) {short: !e}
assbot: !jd (desc: returns relevant stats from
assbot: !bash <lines> (desc: bashes last <lines> lines to bash) {short: !b}
assbot: !quote <lines> (desc: quotes last <lines> lines and returns dpaste url) {short: !q}
MykelSIlver: !last bitstamp
assbot: I thought I told you not to touch me.
lnovy: 505 afaik
TomServo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 522.96, Best ask: 524.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.04000, Last trade: 522.96, 24 hour volume: 25859.58689375, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 588.01, 24 hour vwap: 548.210623289
lnovy: but not for long :)
MykelSIlver: you wanna bet on that :-) ?
lnovy: i prefer to trade :)
MykelSIlver: look like the next leg down
MykelSIlver: quite a support
MykelSIlver: Neo is fighting Morpheus
tg2: Psa don't drink and post. Benkay is a good sport though for putting up with such trolling last night and still having patience after
tg2: Enough patience to write an article. :D
TomServo: Resolves May 1st, unless it crosses sooner - the way I read it.
MykelSIlver: It can cross this hour
MykelSIlver: 284 BTC to be sold on bitstamp according to rtbtc
MisterE: ltc is a bloodbath
MykelSIlver: great time for bottom pickers
ozbot: loading
MisterE: I dont think we're there yet
tg2: Holy $14
tg2: irs decision needs a supreme court case to reverse
dexX7: lol wow via pm "Basically, I want to write some VB modules which can send bitcoin transactions. Of course, there aren't many examples out there how to do that. If we could talk on the telephone for 15 minutes, you'll save me about 3 days work." ... suuure
VanCleef: even 100$ is too expensive
jurov: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)
nubbins`: dexX7: so send 'em a quote for 3 days work
tg2: Can't have different government departments treating it differently to their preference
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.60500011 BTC [-]
dexX7: wait. what was trilema's office number again? :D
tg2: Lol
nubbins`: i think you just type out the email address on the keypad
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.60500002 = 5.445 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: The Doors - The End (original) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 43 @ 0.00570004 = 0.2451 BTC [+] {3}
VanCleef: goes well while watching bitcoinwisdom
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 35 @ 0.00570002 = 0.1995 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: not exactly hard to get a sip did, even a free one.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 107 @ 0.00566334 = 0.606 BTC [-] {6}
nanotube: mircea_popescu: fixed thanks. :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.10144642 = 0.8116 BTC [-] {2}
bounce: what're we going to see next, bitcoin mining container ships following low electricity prices around the globe?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 56950 @ 0.00094339 = 53.7261 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: oh dear god
moiety: thats... quite something punkman1!
moiety: my collection is growing! ty!
moiety: my site will be useless but fucking informative
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00094457 = 23.2837 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24900 @ 0.00094553 = 23.5437 BTC [+] {4}
moiety: that one has crystals in it too! :o
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 92 @ 0.00269314 = 0.2478 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17830 @ 0.00094228 = 16.8009 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2022 @ 0.00013797 = 0.279 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: the mongolian one is pretty sick
nubbins`: reminds me of the canadian owl coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 107 @ 0.04780965 = 5.1156 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.605 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00013797 = 0.2759 BTC [-]
dexX7: lol those coins are evil
nubbins`: i'm just looking at the new releases, they've got a coin with a frog made from venetian glass attached to it
dexX7: looks like it would break or fall off quickly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 160 @ 0.00271073 = 0.4337 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: my guess is there's an anchor protruding from the silver
punkman1: setting gems is not an unsolved problem
nubbins`: yeah, i'd be shocked to see it on a circulation coin
nubbins`: i guess for a numismatic, it doesn't have to be quite as sturdy
Namworld: I'm pretty sure it's meant to be on a display box
mircea_popescu: soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons.
mircea_popescu: sounds ominouis dunnit ?
Namworld: And not actively handled, so there's that. Should be fine.
jurov: it's catholic eater, too
jurov: *easter lol
Namworld: What the hell is a blood moon?
mircea_popescu: o it is ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google blood moon
gribble: What is a Blood Moon? | Human World | EarthSky: <>; Divine Sign for Israel? Hagee Explains Blood Moons - Inside Israel ...: <>; Blood-moons fallout: NASA goes hiding - WorldNetDaily: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: nanotube nono, ty :)
Mats_cd03: well thats going to look awesome when im baked
mircea_popescu: MykelSIlver did it cross ?
VanCleef: baked? isn't that illegal?
MykelSIlver: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 528.81, Best ask: 529.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.19000, Last trade: 529.0, 24 hour volume: 29481.45338267, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 587.5, 24 hour vwap: 544.928762099
Namworld: I call that a "Look, the moon is fucking brown-orange."
MykelSIlver: 505.0 still LOD
mike_c: please ask the astrology dept what the lucky lotto numbers are for a cancer under such conditions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00093723 = 2.0619 BTC [-]
MykelSIlver: must be a miracle if this was the Low till May
mircea_popescu: mike_c aite!
Mats_cd03: depends what jurisdiction youre in VanCleef
mircea_popescu: mike_c 12 13 22 54 59 63
mike_c: sweet, i'm gunna be rich
mircea_popescu: watch the dood actually win the powerball or some shit.
jurov: you forgot to ask which lotto
jurov: and for one i'm wondering what's the "grand cross"
dexX7: 505 oh noez... i guess no more hookers and blow till the tide shifts again ;)
mircea_popescu: ;;google grand cross
gribble: Grand Cross - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Grand cross (astrology) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; The Cardinal Grand Cross - April 2014 | - Lua Astrology: <>
Mats_cd03: those are weak numbers... go for broke, 4 18 15 16 23 42
asciilifeform: i never learned so much about lottos as when researching trng.
nubbins`: <mircea_popescu> soo, the mpoe astrology department informs me that april the 20th, other than being orthodox easter, is also going to be a grand cross and the first of four blood moons. <<< it's also 420 CARL SAGAN BLAZE IT YO
Mats_cd03: (Lost reference if i left anybody behind)
dexX7: lol
ozbot: TIL a dying Carl Sagan's last words were literally "420 blaze it, Faggot." He whispered them to his
MisterE: those are the numbers from lost
asciilifeform: '...officials at Texas Steel Conversion mistakenly issued Cesar Jaime Saldivar a paycheck for $99,275, and now they want it back. Saldivar, 25, who was captured on video making a large cash withdrawal, has been charged with felony theft...'
dexX7: wow
mircea_popescu: nice mug on him
MisterE: stupid people do stupid
MisterE: same happened to GF's sister
MisterE: deposited an extra month's salaruy
MisterE: she went out and spent it all and tried to play it off when they cam calling, silly Asians, she was paying it off for ages
nubbins`: so will the government give back the $38k in taxes?
mircea_popescu: sure, in 2023
mircea_popescu: just as soon as the supreme court rules it must.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288954 = 0.2187 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: this is a good educational story re: fiat.
nubbins`: even if someone gives it to you, it's not necessarily yours
nubbins`: imagine
nubbins`: also, the price of bitcoin
nubbins`: imagine!
asciilifeform: re: mircea_popescu's thoughts the other day about bank accounts being mandatory in u.s. - typically, when you sign up for direct deposit of salary here, you also sign a pact that allows the employer to withdraw.
asciilifeform: officially limited to cases like this
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform also allows the BANK to withdraw
mircea_popescu: for any reason whatsoever.
chetty: gubermint in US also push to direct deposit of things like social security
MisterE: There's something even worse than fiat though
MisterE: Paypal
mircea_popescu: such as, to cover its own shortfall, or as directed by a frient of its (such as a regulator, without a court order) or in any other case.
asciilifeform: this, however, is known to everyone
asciilifeform: (it has become almost traditional to confiscate the bank account of the accused, so he cannot pay for lawyers)
mircea_popescu: it's really the fundamental principle that allowed the MF Global debacle.
asciilifeform: in usa, nothing is actually yours unless it is small enough to run away with.
mircea_popescu: that, and bitcoin.
asciilifeform: that'd be 'small enough', sure
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18328 @ 0.00093723 = 17.1776 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: carefully specified 'run away' - because, e.g. 'dpr' appears to have been successfully rectothermed.
mircea_popescu: a more persuasive theory is that the usg used this opportunity to launder its own mining proceeds.
MisterE: it's probably already CIA's favorite way to fund the covert trouble it starts
asciilifeform: that would line up nicely with 'he had XXX but there's still XXXXX that we haven't rectothermed out'
mircea_popescu: early on, noob of-counsel had realised title'd be iffy but hadn't yet realised title will be challenged.
mircea_popescu: so they tried something along the lines of what seems a meanwhile abandoned project to inject title
Mats_cd03: the nonzero percentage of intelligence types involved in bitcoin makes my stomach turn
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 why ?
asciilifeform: Mats_cd03: if you want to leave meat in the sun and no flies, you will have to go to the arctic.
mircea_popescu: intelligence types are better company than almost any other class
mircea_popescu: except whores, maybe.
Mats_cd03: many people in the intel field ive become acquainted with
mircea_popescu: hahahaha
Mats_cd03: are dumb as shit
lnovy: :D
mircea_popescu: that was pretty good.
Mats_cd03: aspiring super spy types and idiots that think they know something
asciilifeform: nsa vs. 'meta-nsa'
Mats_cd03: kind of like bitcoin really
mircea_popescu: what's next, most thieves i've met in jail weren't all that good at it ?
chetty: jajajaja
joecool: mircea_popescu: you were in jail?
MisterE: heh yea, they regularly parade through ##security
mircea_popescu: joecool not yet.
MisterE: get ther hats handed to them and move on
Mats_cd03: people that have spent time working in military intelligence are the worst
asciilifeform: my secret hope is to meet the interesting ones some day. although it will probably be before my firing squad.
Mats_cd03: probably something to do with how low the barrier to entry is for military types...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform intelligence doesn't kill people, bureaucracies kill people.
asciilifeform: ever hear the saying 'see Naples and die' ?
MisterE: military prefers and promotes non-thinkers
MisterE: by nature it's not a meritocracy
Mats_cd03: in my experience thats only half true
asciilifeform: intelligence doesn't kill people << certainly. this goes back centuries - e.g. inquisitor would hand the heretic over to the 'secular arm' for processing.
Mats_cd03: the american military is pretty good at straddling the line
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform inasmuch as you know who he was, he wasn't intel.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 2.42768314 BTC to 4`834 shares, 50221 satoshi per share
asciilifeform: competent burglar can trip over a miraculous surprise and end in jail
asciilifeform: the sapper errs once.
Mats_cd03: as far as training for platoon leaders go... us .mil excels at meritocracy, at least during a deployment in an area with modest insurgent populations
MisterE: so does the covert op
asciilifeform: you know who he was, he wasn't intel << so not necessarily.
mircea_popescu: ya but ya know what i mean
Mats_cd03: basically a trial by fire for the tactically inept
mircea_popescu: never saw a spy with a title.
mircea_popescu: which reminds me of a seinfeld bit :
mircea_popescu: JERRY: I got ripped off for about the...18th time? And now, the first couple a times you go through it, it’s very upsetting and your first reaction or one of your friends will say, “Call the police. You really should call the police.” So you think to yourself, you know, you watch TV, you think, “Yeah, I’m calling the police. Stakeouts, manhunts... I’m gonna see some real action.” Right, you think that. So
mircea_popescu: , the police come over to your house, they fill out: The Report. They give you: Your Copy. Now, unless they give the crook his copy, I don’t really think we’re gonna crack this case, do you? It’s not like Batman, where there’s three crooks in the city and everybody pretty much knows, who they are. Very few crooks even go to the trouble to come up with a theme for their careers anymore. It makes them a lot tough
mircea_popescu: er to spot. “Did you lose a sony? It could be the Penguin. I think we can round him up, he’s dressed like a PENGUIN! We can find him, he’s a PENGUIN!
Mats_cd03: inevitably though, leaders lose their creativity by the time they become flag officers
Mats_cd03: but its usually lost by the time they make major
Mats_cd03: too much time flying a desk
asciilifeform: 'mahogany bomber'
asciilifeform: (to the british)
Mats_cd03: whats worse is mustangs in the system are discouraged by design
asciilifeform: re: burglars: everyone who gets burgled quickly learns j. e. hoover's lesson 'justice is incidental to law and order'
Mats_cd03: mustangs: former enlisted that received a commission and are now officers (e.g. lieutenant)
MisterE: Mats_cd03: they know all they will need soon are an army of kids controlling bots in a video game like theater
Mats_cd03: so the best warfighters and leaders of this generation are rapidly being replaced by... high school seniors
MisterE: hell drone program is enough for all but a stupid occupation like Iraq
MisterE: yea
asciilifeform: can't wait for 'we didn't mean to demolish XXX. bot got hacked.'
Mats_cd03: and thats all the ranting i have for this morning
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.00093514 = 2.4781 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 8 @ 0.04777125 = 0.3822 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05484888 = 0.4388 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 8 @ 0.10144642 = 0.8116 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: (better excuse than the 'targeting error' that demolished the chinese embassy in belgrade. the one that happened to contain the pieces of the 'stealth' machine.)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 14 @ 0.0475 = 0.665 BTC [-]
tg2: Oops our gross incompetence lead to this duration but it's really somebody elses fault
tg2: itt: every exchange in the last year
tg2: Hackers/transaction maleability/bots
nubbins`: bitcoin is like an early prototype airplane
nubbins`: people say "i want to fly!" and they run after it, grabbing onto the wheels, not realizing the effect their dead weight will have on it
asciilifeform: airlines regularly find stowaways in landing gear shafts, dead of asphyxiation and frost
asciilifeform: there is definitely a parallel here.
nubbins`: right
nubbins`: the question is whether the airplanes will reach the point where the landing gear kills people
nubbins`: before the rest of the fleet crashes and burns
nubbins`: it's a race, i tell ya
Mats_cd03: well, i hope you'll all be in here when it happens
asciilifeform: to run with the analogy, the plane in question doesn't notice the idiot in the gear well at all.
mircea_popescu: this notion that children can somehow, with a lot of shaving paste and stilts, stand up to adults is laughable.
mircea_popescu: no high school senior hauled up in a basement is EVER going to be a soldier,
mircea_popescu: or matter in this wolrd.
benkay: good shwarma
benkay: xdotcommer: domains as identification? are you pulling my leg or pulling my leg?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.61888 = 2.4755 BTC [+]
nubbins`: wow, winds near Gros Morne exceeded 200km/h last night
xdotcommer: benkay: just telling you how it works... if its a popular site you know then guy aint going to runk with your 2K
Mats_cd03: pgp is too complicated, man
xdotcommer: pgp is pretty good
benkay: tellin me how it works
Mats_cd03: theres like, cryptography, and hashes, and stuff
benkay: i don't care about the 2k
xdotcommer: Mats_cd03: moar keywords please
asciilifeform: whichever british gentleman said 'those who do not have time for exercise will have to find time for disease'
asciilifeform: applies to pgp
benkay: i care about someone impersonating you.
benkay: xdotcommer seems to be exercising to look cool
benkay: he says is doesn't work like we think it does
asciilifeform: 'those who do not have time for pgp will have to find time for being pwned'
benkay: those who took the time to pgp are still getting soldering irons in the tuchus.
xdotcommer: You guys are preaching to the choir I am all for this pgp stuff ... just was hard to figure out after night of boozing
asciilifeform: 'hang for a sheep as well as a lamb'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 6049 @ 0.00012478 = 0.7548 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 634 @ 0.00260018 = 1.6485 BTC [-] {8}
benkay: fartup scene
nubbins`: ah, that other guy was going on about that last night
benkay: sweet taste of ideas
xdotcommer: benkay: free berr
nubbins`: said something about how he goes there and pitches people's ideas back to them, making them weep when confronted with their own stupidity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 4387 @ 0.00012445 = 0.546 BTC [-] {7}
xdotcommer: benkay: portland is not the only place with a startup theme
benkay: nope its unique
benkay: *plugs ears, sings*
Mats_cd03: if portland is anything like portlandia, it needs to be set afire from orbit
Mats_cd03: (i got netflix recently)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2000 @ 0.00012423 = 0.2485 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: don't believe everything hollywood tells you
Mats_cd03: hollywood is the one pure truth
benkay: idiot drivers is actually a thing, although that's more because perverse regulation.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 542 @ 0.00043965 = 0.2383 BTC [-] {8}
xdotcommer: Le CryptoCat
asciilifeform: 'Encryption in the Browser' << satan preserve us
benkay: cryptocat was broken by design, right?
asciilifeform: hasn't 'Cryptocat' already fucked its public goat?
benkay: what is he still doing talking about crypto?
xdotcommer: asciilifeform: does not hurt to try
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 948 @ 0.00042231 = 0.4003 BTC [-] {7}
asciilifeform: how is bob still bridge-builder
mircea_popescu: either that or designed by the broken
mircea_popescu: xdotcommer apparently you've not tried a great many things.
benkay: last year city council passed some rules about how pedestrians can walk out into the street and demand the right of way
xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: I did not mean for me... if the guy wants to do encryption in the browser ... I say let him go for it
mircea_popescu: im starting to understand something. if we manage to not turn into wikipedia within a decade we'll have actually accomplished an amazing feat.
mircea_popescu: xdotcommer well sure. but in the same sense, if the twelve year old wants to have twins, let her ?
xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: depends in which country I guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 2990 @ 0.00011621 = 0.3475 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: or whose twelve year old, but yeah.
mike_c: if the three 19 year old CSS developers want to open an options exchange..
mircea_popescu: mike_c how did that thing settle down in the end ? "bitcoin's fault" ?
xdotcommer: mircea_popescu: and in which time/space as well years ago childbirth at 12 was not uncommon
benkay: if the 'crypto enthusiasiast' wants to build crypto humans use...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 100 @ 0.00525234 = 0.5252 BTC [-] {4}
mike_c: i don't think it was bitcoin, it was some altcoin
ozbot: Stripe: Bitcoin
Mats_cd03: mmm looks like california
xdotcommer: is there a way to streamline web of trust to the browser or its IRC only?
mircea_popescu: xdotcommer what are you trying to do ?
Mats_cd03: what?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5000 @ 0.00011051 = 0.5526 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: it's been replaced.
benkay: ;;gettrust mircea_popescu
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user mircea_popescu: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jul 22 11:04:26 2011
benkay: xdotcommer: there's already internet.
benkay: make a form.
benkay: have it post to irc
benkay: ain't that hard
xdotcommer: market place (ebay) using same gpg
xdotcommer: looks like it wont be too hard
benkay: ron gilad
the20year3: I'm publishing the announcement shortly, but RentalStarter will be acquiring CryptoREI and thus add a North Carolina branch to our business.
benkay: seventies art is cool again?
xdotcommer: benkay: is that a portland artist of some sort?
dexX7: benkay: webform posting to irc.. sounds fishy
the20year3: We will also begin our 2nd tranche on Monday the 31st at .0075btc/share.
benkay: wait a sec let me google that for you xdotcommer
dexX7: but very related:
mike_c: good thing they opened up new TLDs or these cryptoexchanges would have run out of doman names by now.
mircea_popescu: the20year3 that should be interesting.
the20year3: I think so
benkay: xdotcommer: still need help with google?
VanCleef: how will u sell them at 0075?
mircea_popescu: ideally publish it as something readable, btw.
benkay: anyways, new york, like most good artists.
VanCleef: you will buy up the 0.005's?
benkay: oh you found it!
benkay: good for you.
VanCleef: the20year3
the20year3: VanCleef: i should, but i have no BTC in HL
benkay: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.005265 / 0.00532521 (121 shares, 0.63706440 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00541285 / 0.00563480 (2353 shares, 12.73643556 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556201 / 0.00900001 (46756 shares, 260.05711417 BTC)
VanCleef: hmmm so how will you be able to sell at 0,0075?
benkay: you're going to sell more for .0075 when they're already on the market for 0.0053?
the20year3: HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075
benkay: WHAT
mircea_popescu: wait what ?!
benkay: haha
benkay: you've done it now, boyo
VanCleef: WHAT?!
the20year3: That's what HL does on all future rounds
mircea_popescu: obviously someone that owns shares can sell at any price they want.
pankkake: usual havelock practice yes
the20year3: They did it with PETA
mircea_popescu: but it's... fraudulent ?
the20year3: according to the policies on HL's site?
pankkake: did it with CBTC too
benkay: does this not strike you as a gross breach of free market principles, the20year3 ?
the20year3: Would it be free market if i went in and bought up all the shares below .0075?
benkay: yes.
the20year3: maybe i should do that then
benkay: too bad you don't have the cash.
mircea_popescu: but wait. someone buys some shares
benkay: ;;gettrust the20year3
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user the20year3: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: and then they're not allowed to sell them anymore ?
benkay: ;;gettrust the20year
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user the20year: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: what sort of nonsense is this ?
the20year3: As per my understanding they can sell after the 2nd round finishes, the same deal with the 1st round
benkay: once again, never do business outside the wot
mircea_popescu: i mean it's like a spiral of web scammy for that place.
Mats_cd03: does this sort of thing even have a name?
benkay: holy fuck monsters
mircea_popescu: the20year3 but the round can last indefinitely.
benkay: you people have no conscience.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 yeah, "internet fraud" basically.
asciilifeform: does this sort of thing even have a name << chumpatron.
the20year3: I don't think they're allowed to have an indefinite 2nd round, from my understanding we were required to have a set 2nd round
the20year3: Otherwise the fund becomes illiquid
Mats_cd03: oh, i thought there might be a flighty finance term
Mats_cd03: im also baked out of my mind on pure gold
pankkake: can't you simply put a sell order of new shares?
mircea_popescu: the20year3 at any point you may seriously consider your involvement in this scheme may actually result in criminal charges.
Apocalyptic: pankkake, one does not simply sell shares on havelock
mircea_popescu: topace is nutty enough to imagine he's going to escape through some fraudulent sale to a panama front,
the20year3: what do you mean pankkake
mircea_popescu: but you should be somewhat more responsible, seeing how you're tied down to real estate.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 643 @ 0.00532521 = 3.4241 BTC [+]
pankkake: I mean do your second round on the open market, not on havelock special IPO feature
the20year3: That's a possibility too
mircea_popescu: pankkake well other than it'll likely never generate any capital, it would resolve the problem yes.
topace: im not sure where you are getting this information
topace: but it is not correct
mircea_popescu: the general fate to people telling me my information is not correct is aptly represented by one trendon shavers.
topace: [12:40:35] <the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075
topace: ^ is what i was referring to
topace: the platform does not suspend orders below certain thresholds
the20year3: I may be wrong then
CheckDavid: You guys trade stocks of companies on these exchanges right with or without the need for personal identification?
mike_c: so enlighten us, how does a 2nd round ipo at a higher price than the market price work?
mircea_popescu: "They did it with PETA" " did it with CBTC too" ?
benkay: the20year3: it is staggering that you don't understand your own issuances.
mircea_popescu: seemed uncontroversial.
the20year3: RS is based primarily on USD and not BTC
benkay: topace: how is this next round at 0.0075 working?
the20year3: USD price is the same at .0075 as it was when we did the last round at .0055
benkay: it's popcorn week!
asciilifeform: what is 'rental starter' co. anyway
mircea_popescu: benkay he's unrepresented, basically. doesn't have an ib/underwriter/anything.
topace: next round of what ?
benkay: mircea_popescu: i know.
topace: (remember, im no longer involved in running the exchange)
VanCleef: my penis just got a bit hard
the20year3: how so VanCleef?
benkay: well then how can you make any claims about what can or cannot happen on the exchange, topace?
mike_c: next "tranche" of RENT shares is going to be sold at 75, but market price is 53.
topace: because i wrote the code
benkay: and it couldn't possible have changed
VanCleef gives it a flick
topace: there's no "you cant place orders below 0.0075 in the code"
benkay: possibly.
mike_c: so what, the block of shares is just released at the same time that open market trading continues?
benkay: wd
benkay: massive sell wall at 0.0075 that never gets eaten?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.05484888 = 0.2742 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 42 @ 0.00562729 = 0.2363 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: benkay well, maybe it does get eaten eventually.
Mats_cd03: i am not aroused mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: likely not right now
the20year3: I don't think they can put in an indefinite sell wall , and at any rate there's no reason for us to fundraise past $1.5m USD
topace: im sorry i can only comment on what i see on the site, i dont see a new tranche?
benkay: mircea_popescu: explain it like i'm at least twelve
the20year3: It's starting Monday around noon
mike_c: asciilifeform: they buy houses in ohio and rent them out.
benkay: topace: you can't make any claims about the code they're running if you can't make any claims about the code they're running.
mircea_popescu: benkay dat ambiguous status.
benkay: the bet would be does the wall get eaten or rentalstarter fall apart first
benkay: fall apart/delist/get indicted
benkay: who knows - maybe there's three more months of going short btc via rent
mircea_popescu: kind-of a pity in that a well managed business on those lines makes some sense.
VanCleef: anyone heard fromsfi lately?
VanCleef: or didthey just do a runner?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 210 @ 0.0026 = 0.546 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: the20year3: do please explain precisely how this new tranche is working
benkay: bring an underwriter or someone who understands
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HIF] 402 @ 0.0004088 = 0.1643 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: VanCleef i have no idea, were they due a report or something ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.0056274 = 0.1688 BTC [+]
mike_c: ^ heh. "rent shares rose on news that they will soon be forced to be worth 0.0075 btc"
asciilifeform: mike_c: if only this existed in my town (and, run by something other than scammers)
VanCleef: i dont know just haven't heard from them since
mike_c: asciilifeform: well, no strong indications that it is run by scammers. just that they don't understand their relationship with havelock very well..
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently ohio or w/e this one is has very advantageous economics for this business
benkay: they're crossing the wires though
mircea_popescu: which incidentally begs the question, why a merger with someone in a diff market ? does it benefit from equally good economics ?
benkay: cannot touch both fiat and crypto at once
asciilifeform: has very advantageous economics for this << how's that
VanCleef: i think he should just sell the shares for 0.008 instead
mircea_popescu: much of rent is predicated on its operator familiarirt with the field, that doesn't seem to translate too well across a geographic distance
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform very low land values / high rents.
asciilifeform: quite the same here. and yet, i've been trying and failing to rent a house for ages.
mircea_popescu: its been discussed in teh at some point coupla months ago, i don't recall the specifics
asciilifeform: to be fair, it is a little bit from the peculiar conditions where i live. most of the rentals are geared for students, and are gigantic, divided into rooms.
ThickAsThieves: <the20year3> HL will automatically suspend all buy orders under .0075, so all buys have to go in at .0075 //// dafuck?
VanCleef: woohoo
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves do they actually do this as ppl claim or not ?
VanCleef: buy now
benkay: welcome to this morning, ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: i dont think it can be done
ThickAsThieves: more likely,
ThickAsThieves: is the tranche will be sold through "IPO" feature
ThickAsThieves: where there is no orderbook
mike_c: topace said it can't, but also that he isn't involved so he doesn't know.
Mats_cd03: i think the confusion here lays with the recent depreciation of btc/usd and the capital RS actually needs to be denominated in usd
ThickAsThieves: now if HL shuts down normal trading during that...
asciilifeform: in the u.s. in general, people with money (but not quite a 'fortune') who want to rent something nice vs. playing debt games, are a bit of an under-served market.
ThickAsThieves: that would effectively recreate the situation you are going for
ThickAsThieves: but it's a fucked up proposition
benkay: no shit
ThickAsThieves: i see no reason to disrupt the live orderbook
ThickAsThieves: it's listed, it's live
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i suspect that ties into my "dual currency" earlier :
mircea_popescu: people with money, actual money, are underserved because not part of bezzle.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves i can see some reasons...
benkay: IT'S ALL A SCAM
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i'm paid in perfectly ordinary u.s. bezzlars
KRS-One: heh
VanCleef: 3 chinese bitcoiners were executed today
benkay: link, VanCleef ?
VanCleef: jokes
KRS-One: lies
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 520.06, Best ask: 526.96, Bid-ask spread: 6.90000, Last trade: 520.06, 24 hour volume: 33543.19632708, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 587.49, 24 hour vwap: 540.479270299
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17350 @ 0.00093745 = 16.2648 BTC [+] {2}
VanCleef: thenext china rumor ;)
benkay: bitstamp's running fractional too, right?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure you are, because they CLAIOM to be convertible
mircea_popescu: just as long as not too many are converted.
ThickAsThieves: didnt they do an 'audit'?
benkay: audit my butthole
benkay: ;;google bitstamp audit
gribble: Statement regarding recent third party audit report - Bitstamp: <>; Statement by Bitstamp regarding Mt Gox insolvency - Bitstamp: <>; Bitstamp - buy and sell bitcoins: <>
asciilifeform: well i did say bezzlars.
mircea_popescu: speaking of turkeys in new york : "ground turkey meat, was $2 for 20 oz. 2.5 years ago on sale ; it's $4.50 for 20 oz. on sale now."
Mats_cd03: turkey: the inferior chicken
benkay: firestartr are some no-names, iirc ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 2.25 ** (1/30)
gribble: 1.02739965906
mircea_popescu: 2.8% inflation. PER MONTH
tg2: turkey index
tg2: turkeys are a... growth market
asciilifeform: incidentally, nothing (at least, at present time) stops an owner of XXXX bezzlars from driving to a precious metals seller and filling as many buckets as he can afford.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform as long as he buys... paper gold.
mircea_popescu: ie, goldzzars.
Mats_cd03: i still have 2 frozen turkeys from thanksgiving
asciilifeform: they don't sell this in shops around here
asciilifeform: mostly numismatic coin
mircea_popescu: try taking 100k out of your savings, buying gold bricks and driving them to mexico.
Mats_cd03: ever deep fry a turkey? its godly
mircea_popescu: what was that shop that'd deep fry anything ? butter, water, icecream
Mats_cd03: youve piqued my curiousity
tg2: mmm deep fried butter
tg2: lol
tg2: #justamericanthings
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288954 = 0.2187 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment
mircea_popescu: and the 1year berkshire based btc bond just went to 3%
mircea_popescu: well... 2.81%
ThickAsThieves: it'll probly get to 30%+ i bet
ThickAsThieves: heh, can you make bets on bets?
mircea_popescu: we tried yest but it didn't stick
Mats_cd03: when i was 8 a family friend told me peanut butter was a preservative and i could live forever if i ate enough of it at once
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Deep frying anything is more of a State Fair schtick
VanCleef: could someone help me word a bet on bitbet so its allowed?
ThickAsThieves: one day mp will owe me a favor, and Schrodinger's BitBet will happen
ThickAsThieves: ok probly not
ThickAsThieves: but i can dream
Mats_cd03: the next day i woke up early and had an XL jar of skippys...i temporarily replaced blood with peanut butter for a few hours
VanCleef: i want to bet that Australia wont win one single group match for the fifa world cup
mircea_popescu: VanCleef sure, why not
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0056271 = 0.2251 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: is this tracked anywhere ?
VanCleef: i'm sure keep scores on their website
mircea_popescu: can you list the matches ?
VanCleef: i can list who else is in the group
mircea_popescu: generally, you want the bet well specified.
mircea_popescu: "x y z will happen, here's the link to it measured"
TestingUnoDosTre: MP, I tried making a bet on 3M that was worded very similar to the berkshire one, and the mods rejected it because it was outlandish
VanCleef: ahh ok
VanCleef: so more details teh better
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre i vaguely recall some discusison re a 3m bet a month or so ago, was this the same one ?
TestingUnoDosTre: yes. the bet was stated that the ratio of MMM to BTC would stay above .2 until may or something of the sort
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11600 @ 0.00093774 = 10.8778 BTC [+]
CheckDavid: Which platform do you suggest to fund a startup?
TestingUnoDosTre: or at the end of may
mircea_popescu: did it carry ~1k btc in zeroconf ?
benkay: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00536113 / 0.00562740 (907 shares, 4.86254898 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00540361 / 0.00563480 (3139 shares, 16.96192014 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00555895 / 0.00900001 (47528 shares, 264.20559875 BTC)
TestingUnoDosTre: lol of course not, but the berkshire bet didn't start out with 1k btc
ThickAsThieves: the 3M was discussed already no need to rehash
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre course it did.
TestingUnoDosTre: fine fine fine
ThickAsThieves: pull the log and read it again if you want re-experience it
mircea_popescu: anyway, my car is here so we'll have to continue later!
TomServo: TestingUnoDosTre: Just curious, why 3M?
VanCleef: i thought you ony rode horses?
TestingUnoDosTre: because I want to convert losses in MMM to wins in BTC
TestingUnoDosTre: or theoretically be able to l)
TestingUnoDosTre: I may or may not have worked for the company for a couple years and amassed to much of a concentrated holding due to putting 10% of each pay check into stock options
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9200 @ 0.00093514 = 8.6033 BTC [-]
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Mats_cd03: hahahaha someone in the DIA got shit-canned over ukraine
Mats_cd03: most interesting thing all day
tg2: > $120,749.00 to $175,000.00 / Per Year
TestingUnoDosTre: 120 to 175k. lol
tg2: lol
tg2: ^
TestingUnoDosTre: imagine how much pressure that position is right now
tg2: haha
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 40 @ 0.0056275 = 0.2251 BTC [+]
tg2: seems to me that offering a salary that pathetic to somebody in that position is either a sign of an incompetent office in the event they're looking for somebody competent, or of a smart one if they're looking for a patsy/puppet
tg2: likely the previous occupant was the opposite
tg2: "Putting the welfare of the Nation and commitment to our mission before oneself." .... for $120k.
tg2: i know people who work on css all day and make more than that
joecool: tg2: seems legit
nubbins`: asciilifeform XD
nubbins`: salary: doubleplus good
kow: tg2 is a liar I met him irl he is like 300lbs, poor, and doesn't leave his apartment which is just full of stacks of old books and empty stouffers containers which he's saving for the points
tg2: k\o\w, can you ;;rate me then
tg2: :D
kow: ;;rate tg2 fat
gribble: Error: 'fat' is not a valid integer.
tg2: lol
tg2: ;;ident k\o\w
gribble: Nick 'k\o\w', with hostmask 'k\o\w!', is not identified.
tg2: bro GPG up or else who the fuck are you anyway
kow: careful with that or I'll doxx u
tg2: bro sharpie up
tg2: bro
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mod6: a guy once got 1bn satoshi for that
joecool: !eauth joecool
TestingUnoDosTre: is doxxing kinda like goxxing?
nubbins`: interesting
joecool: ugh
the20year3: I could very well be wrong about how HL is handling it, i made the assumption (right or wrong) that they treat it as a new IPO
benkay: the20year3: and freeze trading on the new asset to support your new imaginary valuation?
nubbins`: TIL that morning-after pills don't work if you weigh more than 175lbs
benkay: old* asset
kow: tg2 I sold some BTC to a dude in mcdonalds yesterday, the guy knew NOTHING about it, didn't even know how to confirm my deposit, said he's been buying half a BTC every week. I think I met a BTC prepper.
tg2: k\o\w, shouldn't you have backdoor-laced operating systems to be releasing?!
Mats_cd03: ;;ud dox
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tg2: ;;ud broscience
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Mats_cd03: ;;ud doxxed
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ozbot: Urban Dictionary: dox
Mats_cd03: ud you are useless
kow: tg2, I've been busy and other people took over the dev :(
benkay: the20year3: will you be allowing existing rent stockholders to sell their shares at 0.0075 as well?
Mats_cd03: ;;wiki doxing
gribble: Error: "wiki" is not a valid command.
tg2: doyacht
tg2: k\o\w, I havce a nice project you might like
Mats_cd03: ;;google doxing wiki
gribble: Doxing - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Dox - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Personally identifiable information - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>
tg2: alrady recuited some of your coconspirators
TestingUnoDosTre: ;ud goxxed
tg2: ;;ud goxxed
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ozbot: Urban Dictionary: goxxed
tg2: lol
TestingUnoDosTre: why did it only return once?
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kow: tell me more tg2
the20year3: THat's a good question benkay, i'll need to check into it, but I assume the answer is yes
Mats_cd03: who the fuck invited the finns to a civil war?
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tg2: this whole WOT thing is working well I see
the20year3: lots of syrians in Finland going back
Mats_cd03: i hope they canceled their life insurance policies
xdotcommer: ;;help
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tg2: yeah if I was syrian and didn't live in syria the first thing I'd do is high tail it back to syria
tg2: obv.
tg2: land of the free
tg2: fk this vanity gpg generator is an entropy whore
tg2: will otc accept a 2048b key?
tg2: guessing it should
Mats_cd03: syria's a nice place
Mats_cd03: sadly some of it is shelled to bits now
tg2: syria, home of the brave.
BingoBoingo: tg2: 2048 is probably the minimum reasonable size
TestingUnoDosTre: learning so much about soviet history from bitcoin-assets
tg2: I would think that it /could/ accept a 1024 key
tg2: but I wouldn't use one
Mats_cd03: cause hes contrarian
tg2: my tinfoil hat is neatly folded
pankkake: otc accepted my old 1024 key, so
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16300 @ 0.00093671 = 15.2684 BTC [+]
tg2: last 1024 key I had expired some time ago
TestingUnoDosTre: ;;ud contrarian
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TestingUnoDosTre: awww. Was hoping for something dirtier
tg2: Mats_cd03, AM NOT
Mats_cd03: am so
tg2: I can't agree with that.
Mats_cd03: i suppose we can disagree on disagreeing
tg2: and if I did, would that prove it wrong?
tg2: gl circular reasoning
the20year3: RS NAV right now is around 1,000btc
Mats_cd03: too many levels, im going to fall off a bridge while inside a van
tg2: brb sha1 1024 gpg key inbound
pankkake: FYI you can create stronger subkeys
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 700 @ 0.00093663 = 0.6556 BTC [-]
benkay: keep making noise, tho 'bro'. it'll get you far.
TestingUnoDosTre: tell me about this subkey
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10200 @ 0.00093915 = 9.5793 BTC [+] {3}
xdotcommer: tg2: stop derping bro
pankkake: and you probably already have one subkey
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 45 @ 0.0056499 = 0.2542 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6550 @ 0.00093514 = 6.1252 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 30 @ 0.00569 = 0.1707 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 5600 @ 0.00010804 = 0.605 BTC [-] {9}
xdotcommer: tg2: fall in line
dexX7: the20year3: could you please tell me, if issuer's funds are locked during an ipo on havelock and is it correct that buyers are unable to undercut the issuer during the ipo? are updates of any kind during an ipo allowed, e.g. a description?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 29 @ 0.00596 = 0.1728 BTC [+]
benkay: dexX7: just assume you're going to get fucked, no lube. it's the havelock way.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 371 @ 0.00599999 = 2.226 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: have-a-cock
dexX7: haha no, don't get me wrong
dexX7: i'm not trying to evaluate the chances of creating a scam :o
benkay: "someone"'s pushing rent up to the .0075 line.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 125 @ 0.006 = 0.75 BTC [+]
benkay: not even bothering to sell
benkay: what kind of kiddy bullshit is this
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13200 @ 0.00093301 = 12.3157 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.000932 = 4.66 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07288952 = 0.3644 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 500 @ 0.0060947 = 3.0474 BTC [+] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 600 @ 0.00255253 = 1.5315 BTC [-] {12}
TestingUnoDosTre: okay question about gpg keys hya
TestingUnoDosTre: If I created a master key with my name and email attached to it, but I want to some business anonymously. Let's just say I want to publish an anonymous blog or something. Could I generate an anonymous subkey and sign all my blog documents with the subkey, and there would be no way anyone could find my master key and therefore my name and email address?
benkay: TestingUnoDosTre: don't ask to ask just ask
TestingUnoDosTre: aka is there a link from my no-named subkey to my public key from my master?
nubbins`: intuition tells me yes, there is
nubbins`: but who knows
TestingUnoDosTre: perhaps a person in here?
benkay: if you want to decouple identities, decouple identities.
TestingUnoDosTre: meaning how
TestingUnoDosTre: just generate a different master key?
benkay: I personally would use separate master keys for different identities.
benkay: it'll help guard against mistakes.
bounce: AIUI the link goes from the master to the sub, not the other way around. but would have to dig into the protocol to figure that one out.
bounce: but yes, easier to not overload keys and just make a new key instead.
benkay: can you sign with subkeys?
TestingUnoDosTre: yes, I believe one can make a signing subkey
benkay: i'd separate concerns here.
benkay: if you're not comfortable with the whole master key subordinate key thing and confident that you can always do the right thing, guard against "yourself as your own worst enemy" and use separate master keys.
TestingUnoDosTre: I have only generated one master key at the moment though, but I think it was truly a DSA elgamel pair
bounce: the thing is of course that as soon as you publish for all to see your public master key it'll have subs that were supposed to remain sooper seekrit.
TestingUnoDosTre: that is what I needed to understand
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9098 @ 0.00093301 = 8.4885 BTC [+]
nubbins`: a-minus
nubbins`: lelelel
BingoBoingo: Quality 'Murican education
TestingUnoDosTre: can we just stop thinking that somehow athletes need to gain an education? Basketball players at UNC especially, keep some fine moneys flowing through the system
benkay: murka
benkay: murka murka jihad
benkay: pretty sure that most american educations gave up on thinking a long time ago, TestingUnoDosTre
benkay: god bless bootstrap.
nubbins`: ^ it's what makes my computer work
benkay: there is an element i am completely failing to address for teh style override
benkay: lol nubbins`
TestingUnoDosTre: I had some good teachers, but they were few and far between
benkay: HeySteve2: did you ever sort your wallet?
the20year3: dexX7: I believe issuer funds are locked from trading, but the issuer can withdraw funds for whatever business purchases they have, as long as the new proceeds meet the minimum threshold. The updates are definately recommended during any ipo/fund phase.
dexX7: ah, thanks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.605505 = 2.422 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
the20year3: Additionally, if there's extreme investor outrage of the 2nd round, we'll cancel it, but as of this moment i haven't seen that.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 46 @ 0.0160002 = 0.736 BTC [+]
dexX7: the20year3: is there a max time how long an ipo can be active and trading is disabled for buyers?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23300 @ 0.0009313 = 21.6993 BTC [-]
the20year3: I think it's 30 days
the20year3: That's what it was for the last round
dexX7: ty
mike_c: the20year3: any comment on mp's question about the NC expansion? paraphrasing: you have advantages in ohio (namely the economics and your expertise), and how will those scale to NC?
the20year3: The big barrier to entry is capital and capital management than personal experience. I know that seems odd, but if you'd talk to any REI group you'd find out that money is the #1 problem to starting out and getting good properties.
TestingUnoDosTre: intresting
the20year3: In the case of this CREI deal, they already have a solid candidate for a property, i've already reviewed the comps, documents and everything associated with the deal and feel it's a very good buy.
the20year3: CREI has been wholesaling (Locating properties, selling the leads to investors) for 3 years now and has had well over a dozen profitable deals for the end investors. That's a very good track record, but his problem is the same problem that i have had since 2008 - Capital. So, we can come in as RS with just a little bit of capital, offer it to them for very, very lucrative terms.
the20year3: Then , the other consideraiton on my end is that we have some very large investors who want to see us work on developing these partnerships moreso than just dealing with slummy properties in central Ohio.
mike_c: seems like a lot of counterparty risk with those partnerships. but you obviously understand the biz more than I
the20year3: They certainly exist, but i think the reward potential is much higher than the risks. We've got solid properties here in Ohio, and are getting more, and i feel that if we could add higher profit potential to the mix it would benefit the fund
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00093301 = 14.4617 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 123 @ 0.00263568 = 0.3242 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 77 @ 0.0026 = 0.2002 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 800 @ 0.00235044 = 1.8804 BTC [-] {20}
CheckDavid: Hi. I was wondering about the solutions that exist in the cryptocurrency space regarding funding startups
CheckDavid: Can any one just give some lights?
dexX7: hey, can you be more specific?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00093301 = 20.0597 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07288951 = 0.2187 BTC [-]
dexX7: the20year3: sorry for all those questions. in the case you do a second ipo round, i assume trading is also locked? and: from which pool are those ipo 2 shares taken? do you define a fixed number during the asset creation and sell a partion of those in round 1 and the rest in round 2 for example?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 96 @ 0.00230041 = 0.2208 BTC [-] {2}
kakobrekla: lets try this
ozbot: PiratePad: or1RSxpueo
kakobrekla: fill it up?
kakobrekla: i dont remember who was volunteering
kakobrekla: ping mircea_popescu , benkay , mike_c , everyoneelsethatiforgot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1963 @ 0.00221117 = 4.3405 BTC [-] {6}
dexX7: afaik there is no form available
kakobrekla: this is a multi player notepad
kakobrekla: you copy paste shit below.
the20year3: I think trading is locked dexX7, the shares are just taken from the original pool of shares that we had as part of the pseudo-PPM/Original business plan's funding goals.
kakobrekla: ah im talking to myself okay
dexX7: didn't you use the pad to send me the message "go find the submission form instead of asking"?
TestingUnoDosTre: seriously though. recommended reading is a book from the Duck Dynasty?
CheckDavid: dexX7: can got help me be more specific?
mike_c: good idea kako. maybe put a link on
CheckDavid: I was wondering maybe issue stock
CheckDavid: Or something
kakobrekla: and anal rape is a video from some production house, so what
benkay: why not a !sr <link>, kakobrekla ?
CheckDavid: I know there several solutions
dexX7: there are. mind to share your business plan?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2000 @ 0.00220557 = 4.4111 BTC [-] {6}
kakobrekla: mike_c i will put the curated version of the piratepad on the static b-a page
dexX7: the20year3: thanks again ;)
kakobrekla: at least thats the idea
mike_c: cool
kakobrekla: but its up to #bitcoin-assets to come up with the content
dexX7: good idea re pad with info stuff
CheckDavid: dexX7: a jobs board with a scheduled equity distribution plan for members
benkay: dafuq?
benkay: that's precisely what ninjashogun was prattling about.
CheckDavid: He is my partner
CheckDavid: It's his idea originally
benkay: ;;gettrust CheckDavid
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user benkay to user CheckDavid: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: never
ozbot: [MPEx] S.BBET BitBet IPO an astounding success
benkay: "Spoiler: It's not going to beat"
dexX7: well anyway. basically there are, and if you want to scam, go to cs, if you want to reach the regular bitcointalk and reddit user, use havelock. mpex is most likely out of your reach.
CheckDavid: benkay: I am not trading. So I guess I don't need to be verified?
benkay: i guess you miss the point.
CheckDavid: Lol I don't want to scam :)
CheckDavid: Oh sorry benkay . could you please explain the point?
xdotcomm_: CheckDavid: fall in line
CheckDavid: dexX7: I heard crypto stocks was scamish
CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: said that I think
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 217 @ 0.00213 = 0.4622 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.605 = 1.21 BTC [-]
dexX7: CheckDavid: the point benkay is trying to make: don't ask for money, if you have no reputation nor the willingness to be "verified"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29400 @ 0.000932 = 27.4008 BTC [-] {2}
CheckDavid: I see benkay . Thanks
CheckDavid: I didn't ask for money
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.0020387 = 1.0194 BTC [-] {5}
CheckDavid: I asked for advice though
CheckDavid: And good advice is as good as money..
CheckDavid: So OK :)
dexX7: hehe
dexX7: wasn't meant this way
dexX7: but "asking for money" is implied by "i want to start a business and therefore i ask about exchanges"
CheckDavid: Moniz pliz guy tnx
benkay: you're investigating listing a stock of some sort, right?
CheckDavid: Gime moniz
CheckDavid: benkay: considering options
BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: At some point the kind's of advice you seek might... Imply intentions about how you might use that advice...
CheckDavid: And yes could include that
benkay: there are all the scam hosters over there that don't require identity or anything, allowing companies like CaVirtEx to walk off with customer funds and Rentalstarter to arbitrarily halt trading so they can sell their inflated stock at some imaginary value.
CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: yes. So what?
CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: humans ate always verifying intentions :)
benkay: on the other hand, there's the harder and tougher path to accredidation with people not engaged in fucking people as a matter of habit in -assets.
CheckDavid: I see.
dexX7: benkay: do you think there shouldn't be a trading freeze during a funding round?
CheckDavid: You didn't mention when exchanges themselves run away
benkay: in what sane world does this make sense
benkay: dexX7:
benkay: either their paper is worth what the market will pay for it or its not
BingoBoingo: CheckDavid: Well these things are going to color people's reactions. Instead of getting reactively defensive note people's concerns and think about how you can correct things in the future when you want to actually do the thing you solicit advice for, if you make it too that stage.
benkay: if it were really worth .0075 the price would reflect that.
CheckDavid: BingoBoingo: *to
CheckDavid: Haha lol
benkay: and previous shareholders should get to sell at .0075 as well.
CheckDavid: OK. Just messing. Well. Good advice BingoBoingo
CheckDavid: I an not trying to convince anyone of any business at the moment though
CheckDavid: I feel a bit far away from that point at the moment
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 116 @ 0.002 = 0.232 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: dexX7: does this make sense?
CheckDavid: Ok so dexX7. Your suggestion is basically to consider a number of exchanges right?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 57 @ 0.00199999 = 0.114 BTC [-]
dexX7: benkay: what about the case that one puts up a buy wall lower than the ipo price and then undercuts the issuer? i guess that would be a reflection of "not enough buyer"?
benkay: supply and demand must agree on a price.
benkay: the havelock approach is to fix a price and wait for the suckers to come by.
dexX7: CheckDavid: well, no. i assumed your question was "where can i issue a stock?" and thus my answer, but maybe you should rephrase your initial question once again.
dexX7: yup true
CheckDavid: dexX7: I am just looking for funding solutions in general. Being issuing and selling stock one of the potential solutions
benkay: they're compounding this fraud by suspending the hallowed process of price discovery to entice another round of suckers into their finger-trap.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 80 @ 0.00190001 = 0.152 BTC [-]
benkay: at a hilariously higher price, i might point out.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.60333366 = 1.81 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: the following case is not possible: say everyone wants to sell, but i'm still willing to give the issuer my coins for whatever reason. non-freezed trading doesn't allow this
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 114 @ 0.00190001 = 0.2166 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: add some more material to the reading list
benkay: that's an irrational move, dexX7. why not just buy the shares on the open market?
the20year3: How much is a stock worth?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00229999 = 1.035 BTC [+] {2}
the20year3: The problem is the value most of the time is arbitrary, especially with bitcoin stocks as the bulk of the value is just speculation based on whatever positive/negative news is coming out about the company
dexX7: benkay: in this case my intention would not be to buy shares but to provide funds for the issuer
the20year3: In our case, with the decrease of BTC:USD, the BTC value of our company goes up, because the vast majority of our assets are denominated in USD, but the BTC price doesn't accurately reflect it because the trades for the most part just trend on news
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 48 @ 0.00609698 = 0.2927 BTC [-]
benkay: dexX7: so send your money directly to the guy - who cares?
benkay: the point is that he's allowed to sell more shares in his company at above market prices when nobody else is.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07288951 = 0.1458 BTC [-] {2}
dexX7: i competely get your point and i agree, i'm just thinking about potential reasons
benkay: so throw your money directly to the guy like you did with Gox.
benkay: the20year3: this is the painful part of touching both rails at the same time.
benkay: nobody knows how to value anything in BTC alone, much less mixed-assets.
benkay: plus, your investors are a bunch of trend-traders.
the20year3: Depends on which investors you're talking about
benkay: havelock, duh.
the20year3: The guys that have given me near $100k? I don't see them trading around stock
xdotcomm_: benkay: how come exchanges /etc are not using this
benkay: xdotcomm_: are you familiar with MPEx?
xdotcomm_: benkay: just recently saw it
benkay: k there's your answer.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 30 @ 0.01600003 = 0.48 BTC [-] {4}
benkay: the20year3: either your investors are trading on news or they're not trading around
benkay: pick one
the20year3: The bulk are not trading at all
xdotcomm_: benkay: its the only one?
benkay: yup. everyone else uses phones.
the20year3: the stock price that is moving around is being moved by guys who own a few hundred shares and have half a btc in the exchange
benkay: !t h rent
assbot: [HAVELOCK:RENT] 1D: 0.00525030 / 0.00560944 / 0.00600000 (1644 shares, 9.22192017 BTC), 7D: 0.00520970 / 0.00550083 / 0.00600000 (3875 shares, 21.31571263 BTC), 30D: 0.00510111 / 0.00556457 / 0.00900001 (48129 shares, 267.81696994 BTC)
benkay: ;;calc 48129/300
gribble: 160.43
benkay: lotsa minnows
mike_c: jurov uses bitcoin address signed messages for 2fa
the20year3: half of the share volume in the past week has been in the past 8 hours since our announcement, if you look at periods prior to that volume, there's almsot none
benkay: tough problem to have
benkay: doesn't really excuse malfeasance.
CheckDavid: Could issuing coins be a good business funding solution?
the20year3: So, what am I doing that's illegal?
benkay: illegal?
benkay: this is bitcoin.
benkay: there are no rules.
the20year3: What am I doing that screws shareholders?
benkay: not allowing them to sell at the same price you are.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 124 @ 0.002 = 0.248 BTC [-] {3}
benkay: eyo princessnell
benkay: bring your army?
the20year3: If enough of our shareholders complain about the choice, i'll change it, ask havelock to change it , or not do the 2nd round, but as of this time, the shareholders I've talked to are fine with it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 3 @ 0.05489999 = 0.1647 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14613 @ 0.0009313 = 13.6091 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4956 @ 0.00180914 = 8.9661 BTC [-] {14}
cazalla: can anyone recommend a reputable site for sporting results that can be used for bitbet outcomes? I'm thinking isn't ideal atm as there as the site will likely change once the world cup starts
cazalla: maybe but it's not a win/loss prop, got knocked back first time because clearly need confirmed stats from some source
mike_c: i thought it was that they wouldn't win a game
mike_c: they=australia
cazalla: no, that's not mine
cazalla: concede no goals is mine
mike_c: geez, how many futbol bets we got going here :)
cazalla: found a source on, it should do
ozbot: FIFA World Cup Group B Tables & Results - 2014 - ESPN FC
mike_c: that looks pretty official to me.
mike_c: (the fifa one)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25700 @ 0.00093337 = 23.9876 BTC [+] {5}
pankkake: tg2: fun. did you check you were not entropy starved for your performance stats?
tg2: check 'er out
tg2: that random num spam
tg2: provides enough entropy to get by
tg2: but its only as good as perl's rand generator I suppose
tg2: i should have chosen a random amount of random numbers to generate :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.04799989 = 0.24 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07288952 = 0.3644 BTC [+]
pankkake: your script is using gpg to generate keys, not perl
tg2: it is using perl to generate entropy
tg2: via rand()
Apocalyptic: such entropy
tg2: so much
tg2: well i guess i /could/ make it so you had to sit there mashing your keyboard all day :D
tg2: i'll accept that patch if you want :D
cazalla: mike_c: I don't know who made the Australian bet, any other aussies here that you know of?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 6000 @ 0.00181047 = 10.8628 BTC [+] {6}
tg2: I will try it on my 48 core system
tg2: see how many 4096's i can do per second
tg2: maybe 1-2
mike_c: vague recollection that herbisjustleoids is there, but not sure
pankkake: I don't understand what that rand() is supposed to do
tg2: it generates 1000 rand numbers, which /should/ be polling /dev/urandom
tg2: which should be causing it to move seed
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1000 @ 0.0018 = 1.8 BTC [-]
tg2: I'll welcome some patches, this was the first perl script i've worked on
Apocalyptic: tg2, you're just exhausting the entropy pool then
tg2: i tried many things
Apocalyptic: <tg2> which should be causing it to move seed // dafuq
Apocalyptic: seriously you should leave that to gpg
tg2: none seemed to have an impact and gpg never complaind about lack of entropy
Apocalyptic: you have no idea of what you're doing
pankkake: yué
tg2: if you don't have "Not enough random bytes available. "
tg2: then you have sufficient entropy for gpg to operate
tg2: and at 5 keys/s, entropy generation is not the limitation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.60133613 = 9.02 BTC [-] {6}
pankkake: your calls to rand() are either useless or harmful. gpg does its own thing
benkay: hue hue hue hue hue
Apocalyptic: there are harmful
Apocalyptic: you're just depleting the entropy pool for no use
Apocalyptic: so gpg has to wait longer
pankkake: don't know how rand() works, maybe it polls /dev/*random only once and then it's a PRNG
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 89 @ 0.00199985 = 0.178 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: anyway, my question was about /proc/sys/kernel/random/entropy_avail - if it's low then fixing *that* will make higher quality gpg keys faster
tg2: don't intel chips use hardware source?
tg2: (not implying that is secure)
pankkake: and as a rule, don't touch crypto stuff you don't understand, you'll shoot yourself in the foot
tg2: newer xeons use it I think
pankkake: some do, yes, not sure if it's enabled by default
cazalla: mike_c: it's pretty much a given australia won't win a match heh
ozbot: Experts Found That Mt.Gox Lost A Mere 386 Bitcoin Due To Transaction Malleability | TechCrunch
deadweasel: look at the picture!
pankkake: or if you need an userspace deamon
bounce: how to consult the public while clearly not listening:
deadweasel: why would anybody consult the public?
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 511.43, Best ask: 512.99, Bid-ask spread: 1.56000, Last trade: 510.17, 24 hour volume: 37872.34545917, 24 hour low: 505.0, 24 hour high: 584.69, 24 hour vwap: 536.173526093
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.0009313 / 0.00094053 / 0.00095121 (1204898 shares, 1,133.25 BTC), 7D: 0.00082011 / 0.00093525 / 0.00096 (5510694 shares, 5,153.88 BTC), 30D: 0.000745 / 0.00086117 / 0.00096 (30557131 shares, 26,315.16 BTC)
tg2: > Found 292 keys so far, running for 10.0s (Rate:29.1/s)
punkman1: deadweasel: judging by the title, they barely read the paper
bounce: no wonder, since it is about the investor / state dispute settlement ("allow corps to squeeze backward governments") in yet another american trade agreement, this time with europe
tg2: using rngtools though
tg2: > /usr/sbin/rngd -r /dev/urandom
pankkake: well then, you *were* entropy starved
pankkake: try haveged, too
deadweasel: punkman1: i didn't read either, i just lol'ed at conjured currency.
tg2: this is on another system
tg2: the intel system seems fine without that crutch
deadweasel: oh man, i'm hungry, gonna make some entropy.
tg2: dat rng
benkay: making some hash today
deadweasel: put some entropy in that shit
deadweasel: benkay, got half a grocery bag of trim here if you want to add it in.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35363 @ 0.0009325 = 32.976 BTC [-] {3}
Mats_cd03: benkay: ever tried making oil?
benkay: i think i want all those discarded keys tg2's dropping on the floor
benkay: hah you druggies!
deadweasel: it's medicinal
Mats_cd03: what are drugs?
benkay: i'm talking about salmon hash, corned beef hash, crypto hash
deadweasel: says so here on my doctors rec.
tg2: 4096-bit on a 48 core system: Found 73 keys so far, running for 30.0s (Rate:2.4/s)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15231 @ 0.00093086 = 14.1779 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: i want to put tg2's discarded keys into this hash i'm working on
tg2: i put them in your /dev/urandom
tg2: you can just retrieve them from there
benkay: radical dudebro
tg2: brb moving my mouse around for hours
benkay: hue
benkay: modern computer
benkay: no rng
tg2: Found 317 keys so far, running for 110.1s (Rate:2.9/s)
benkay: that'd make some nice hash, tg2
tg2: ~250kh/s
tg2: on scrypt
tg2: pretty pathetic
tg2: but it does as well as an R9 280x on X11 coins
CheckDavid: What do you think about issuing a coin as a way of funding for a business?
benkay: ;;google trilema colored coins
gribble: Why I nixed p2p, colored coins and all that jazz pe Trilema - Un blog ...: <>; The dork of the month award. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>; Women Behind Bars pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>
benkay: women behind bars you say?
CheckDavid: benkay: is that related to what I said benkay ?
Duffer1: CheckDavid it would end in disaster
CheckDavid: Duffer1: why?
Duffer1: you could visit any alt coin exchange to see the inevitable, and guaranteed, fate of all alt coins that have come before
Mats_cd03: its kind of like issuing dave and busters tokens
Mats_cd03: except your business isnt nearly as cool
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00199983 = 0.5999 BTC [+] {7}
Duffer1: checkdavid that would be like a kickstarter project sending out toilet paper instead of gadgets or equity
CheckDavid: Duffer1: the coins should have some utility for the life of the business
CheckDavid: Or so I think
pankkake: but it's cryptoilet paper!
CheckDavid: Duffer1: sorry of yes. Except it's digital toilet paper
CheckDavid: *certainly
tg2: lol
ozbot: Crap Away - Launching A Fun & Truthful Toilet Paper Brand by Tom Nardone — Kickstarter
Duffer1: are you thinking of an alt coin or colored coin?
tg2: > implying
CheckDavid: Duffer1: not sure about the terms. But I assumed colored
CheckDavid: No alt chains
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 440 @ 0.000861 = 0.3788 BTC [-]
benkay: ;;gettrust thestringpuller
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller! Trust relationship from user benkay to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 3 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012
Duffer1: checkdavid ah sorry i assumed alt coin, i couldn't say if colored would work or not
benkay: ;;gpg eauth benkay
gribble: Request successful for user benkay, hostmask benkay! Get your encrypted OTP from
benkay: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:7da124b7be1a63529a28570b4f9af14cb7a3bc1114d6419b8788425f
gribble: You are now authenticated for user benkay with key 39F274AFBC7ACAC7
CheckDavid: I would like to distribute equity among the members of my website
benkay: ;;rate thestringpuller 1 not likely to mess your day up
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thestringpuller has been recorded.
thestringpuller: interesting...WoT needs more devs
benkay: what needs deving?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00093381 = 10.5987 BTC [+]
benkay: it's all php, right up your ======== alley
benkay: HEYO
thestringpuller: there are 8 month old pull request
thestringpuller: CheckDavid: right a gpg contract, pay out divs to a btc address provided by members. not hard :P
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 391 @ 0.00199998 = 0.782 BTC [-] {4}
Duffer1: thestringpuller I believe he's looking for funding, like IPOing with colored coin
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: provided by members? What about when coins are transferred?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 4777 @ 0.001806 = 8.6273 BTC [-] {9}
thestringpuller: you mean equity is transferred?
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: that was e initial idea
benkay: 1 gpg-signed email is all that'd take
CheckDavid: But then I was suggested not to give any equity
benkay: "please send divs previously associated with 1fuckmylife to 1fuckhislife"
CheckDavid: And just award a coin
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.05539999 = 0.1108 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: the members can trade equity as they see fit amongst themselves...
thestringpuller: there is no need to have a public offering...
benkay: the public offering is required to get the hype machine going so that the 'ipo' pulls in as many coins as possible
CheckDavid: You saying something unrelated note
CheckDavid: What are you talking about?
thestringpuller: not at all, you 1) want to pay out profits from your website to members
thestringpuller: to do 1) you do 2) get signed gpg contract from members with btc address
thestringpuller: you do 3) set up bot to pay to addresses
thestringpuller: 4) notify your accountant
thestringpuller: not hard...
CheckDavid: I don't know the format of such a contract
benkay: you get to make it
benkay: how cool!
thestringpuller: ;;google site: gpg contracts
gribble: GPG contracts pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>; Voluntary contracts, after a while. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea ...: <>; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...: <>
thestringpuller: Look there you go.
CheckDavid: But why do you call them members?
thestringpuller: You called them members!
CheckDavid: What about non members that acquire the coin?
CheckDavid: Members are one thing. Then the com can be exchanged off site
CheckDavid: Com = coin
CheckDavid: Damn auto correct
thestringpuller: so then non related person sends you the issuer a gpg signed email from both the original shareholder and themselves signifying an exchange
thestringpuller: you go to your bot
thestringpuller: change address for where shit is paid
CheckDavid: I see.
thestringpuller: move on your way
thestringpuller: Hasn't this been discussed? benkay am I going crazy?
CheckDavid: I don't think one needs the original shareholder signature
benkay: nigga u insane
CheckDavid: I just need to know who the current owner is
benkay: yes you do, CheckDavid otherwise arbitrary entities can transfer shares arbitrarily.
benkay: well, most recent owner right?
thestringpuller: hey better yet! have them sign the email with a btc address
benkay: no no no no no no
benkay: no signing things with btc addresses
benkay: btc is btc
benkay: gpg is gpg
benkay: twain etc
CheckDavid: Looks hard to push something like this into production
benkay: yeah you should do colored coins instead
benkay: far easier
Duffer1: is there a colored coin system even out yet?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21100 @ 0.00093042 = 19.6319 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.60000001 = 3 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: Yea there is a prototype I think in this one OT client.
thestringpuller: Open Transactions.
thestringpuller: But it's far easier to trade OTC know here...on IRC...over the counter...
thestringpuller: I didn't realize how dumb colored coins sounded until very recently...
thestringpuller: People will just end up using it to mark bitcoins during stings on drug deals or trace laundered money.
ozbot: Loper OS » Shitcoin: a Modest Proposal.
CheckDavid: benkay: instead of what?
thestringpuller: you guise
thestringpuller: i want to pay out dividends
thestringpuller: instead of reinvesting the money in better assets
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: is that to me? :)
CheckDavid: A critique?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SFI] 261 @ 0.00084201 = 0.2198 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: thing about shitcoin is that one doesn't get to select the coins received
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 80 @ 0.006 = 0.48 BTC [+] {2}
thestringpuller: CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves has auto divident paying mechanisms in place. I know several people pay dividends directly to bitcoins. If you're generating a profit and want to distribute it accordingly, you could do so even manually.
tg2: if it's not 75% premined
thestringpuller: it's not really that hard.
tg2: its better than half the coins
thestringpuller: directly to bitcoin addresses*
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: I know. But one had to account for the possibility of coins being exchanged
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 22 @ 0.00600518 = 0.1321 BTC [+] {2}
CheckDavid: That ads something else to worry about
benkay: CheckDavid: we've explained how to handle that.
CheckDavid: Ok then forget dividends
CheckDavid: What of the coins award no dividends?
ThickAsThieves: <thestringpuller> CheckDavid: ThickAsThieves has auto divident paying mechanisms in place. /// uhh what?
benkay: wat
CheckDavid: How could their value still be correlated with the business performance?
ThickAsThieves: i got no auto nuthin
benkay: CheckDavid: that's the magic of owning shares in a business.
ThickAsThieves: they are dividenDs btw
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 46 @ 0.00609698 = 0.2805 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: benkay: what exactly is that magic?
benkay: a share represents a slice of a company.
benkay: if that company has value, the share has a slice of the value.
CheckDavid: Yes. But imagine the coins are not tied to equity.
jborkl: I didn't know JohnK did a runner with over 1000 coins?
benkay: why? magic. trust in the issuer.
CheckDavid: Could they still be traded accordingly to the business performance somehow?
CheckDavid: Maybe because they are accepted by the company to pay for the products it provides?
thestringpuller: dude you want to publicly trade the shares of something that has no valuation?
thestringpuller: what is going on.
jborkl: or is that not accurate?
benkay: i stay icy hot
benkay: these crackers bengay.
BingoBoingo: jborkl: Yeah, it's been a thing
ozbot: Roughly .02 Percent of Published Researchers Reject Global Warming
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 7 @ 0.10144642 = 0.7101 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.608 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 7 @ 0.05539999 = 0.3878 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.04709156 = 0.3296 BTC [-] {4}
TestingUnoDosTre: global warming is distinctly different from human caused global warming, yay or nay?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [HMF] 118 @ 0.016 = 1.888 BTC [-]
benkay: pumping co2 into the atmo may change the atmo's composition, yea or nay?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.00093343 = 24.6426 BTC [+] {3}
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: what do you mean by ' I want'?
TestingUnoDosTre: I most definitely agree
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7606 @ 0.00093023 = 7.0753 BTC [-]
TestingUnoDosTre: I remember hearing, as a child, that the atmosphere contained more oxygen when the dinosaurs were around
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5794 @ 0.00092844 = 5.3794 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: thestringpuller: can reformulate the question?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07101193 = 0.8521 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18103 @ 0.00093446 = 16.9165 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.00207115 = 0.2071 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0545996 = 0.546 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 70 @ 0.00208029 = 0.1456 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.6 = 5.4 BTC [-] {4}
toffoo: last wednesday, first late div in 1 year+ from AM
toffoo: this wednesday, first no div week in 1 year+
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.5982 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.598 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 514 @ 0.00226827 = 1.1659 BTC [+] {8}
benkay: is it over?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 98 @ 0.00229999 = 0.2254 BTC [+] {2}
toffoo: well, mining on gen1 hardware appears to be over
ozbot: 5.007 billion | Next Diff in 1547 blocks | Estimated Change: 9.7941% in 9d 16h 31m 0s
ThickAsThieves: Estimated Next Difficulty:6,034,851,237 (+20.53%)
tg2: toffoo - what process size?
toffoo: for what?
tg2: the gen1 mining
benkay: 65 probly?
tg2: early BFL?
benkay: asicminer taped their own out, right?
tg2: 65nm bfl chips were ~80MH/w
benkay: <-- does not follow mining
tg2: 20nm KNC asics are now 2000MH/w
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00204841 = 1.0242 BTC [-] {8}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 684 @ 0.00201072 = 1.3753 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 890 @ 0.0020111 = 1.7899 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 2 @ 0.0553999 = 0.1108 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 6 @ 0.10144642 = 0.6087 BTC [-]
xdotcommer: first tweet
dexX7: only a prediction/guess
benkay: make a bitbet
ozbot: Return of the Vacuum Tube | Science/AAAS | News
jurov: 150nm and 450GHz speed estimate
jurov: i realized larger version might fullfill asciilifeform's dream to make crypto-capable microelectronics at home
TestingUnoDosTre: looks like the asks are finally being pulled from stamp :(
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12316 @ 0.0009362 = 11.5302 BTC [+]
jurov: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 491.01, Best ask: 491.87, Bid-ask spread: 0.86000, Last trade: 491.87, 24 hour volume: 41831.24132524, 24 hour low: 490.02, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 532.77413212
jurov: D:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2038 @ 0.00200963 = 4.0956 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 2001 @ 0.00190144 = 3.8048 BTC [-] {6}
Jackmani_: bitstamp, dafuq?
TestingUnoDosTre: holy shit
TestingUnoDosTre: anyone wathcing this
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 485.02, Best ask: 486.9, Bid-ask spread: 1.88000, Last trade: 486.9, 24 hour volume: 42532.89415815, 24 hour low: 480.03, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 532.77413212
Duffer1: quite a dump
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 486.75, Best ask: 486.9, Bid-ask spread: 0.15000, Last trade: 486.9, 24 hour volume: 43156.47085889, 24 hour low: 475.0, 24 hour high: 583.4, 24 hour vwap: 531.343020849
thestringpuller: free fLl
Jackmani_: it's so well synchronized between exchanges!
jurov: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 480.0, vol: 43253.07140383 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 494.521, vol: 16659.20368 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 483.0, vol: 32456.54064922 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 520.0, vol: 169.04793296 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 482.387854, vol: 13158.04100000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 518.00539, vol: 34.63656625 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 522.082, vol: 257.79703084 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
qwebirc633214: I'm staking my claim
only: thefuck....
jurov: ;;more
gribble: 483.676105447
gribble: Error: "less" is not a valid command.
Apocalyptic: dat dump
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1290 @ 0.00186335 = 2.4037 BTC [-] {12}
Jackmani_: dumps like a truck
qwebirc633214: banks probably gonna shut me off
qwebirc633214: what is ;;more?
jurov: when gribble says (1 more message)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.0009362 = 3.4171 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 902 @ 0.00161463 = 1.4564 BTC [-] {7}
CheckDavid: If a company has no investors Or stock holders nagging for profits, does it have any incentive to declare profits?
TestingUnoDosTre: yay, got my name back
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 8 @ 0.05360385 = 0.4288 BTC [-] {4}
Duffer1: checkdavid ask your local regulators :P
CheckDavid: Duffer1: what do you know about it in general?
Duffer1: not enough to give advice beyond my own personal experiences
TestingUnoDosTre: My company is privately owned, and it declares profits to employees
TestingUnoDosTre: and by "my" company, I mean the one I work for
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.05234836 = 1.5705 BTC [-] {17}
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
CheckDavid: Profits to employees?
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 498.0, Best ask: 498.07, Bid-ask spread: 0.07000, Last trade: 500.0, 24 hour volume: 44397.25189776, 24 hour low: 475.0, 24 hour high: 582.06, 24 hour vwap: 530.155015668
CheckDavid: What does that mean?
dexX7: bitcoin is dead.. again?
TestingUnoDosTre: this is the opportunity I've been waiting for... all week
CheckDavid: TestingUnoDosTre ...
TestingUnoDosTre: what does what mean
TestingUnoDosTre: they share the company's profits to the employees
TestingUnoDosTre: they meet like every two months and are like, "hey guys, we grossed XX millions of dollars, but were expecting YY millions"
CheckDavid: That's because there is a profit sharing plan right?
jurov: there's a dilberts comics that explains it clearly
jurov: or several
CheckDavid: Well.
Duffer1: could also just be for moral or team building hr bullshit
TestingUnoDosTre: They give bonuses that are related to the profits, if that's what you call a "profit sharing" plan
Duffer1: we're all building this together kinda nonsense
CheckDavid: But is that considered a cost to the company or is it real taxable profits?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 1110 @ 0.00155 = 1.7205 BTC [-]
CheckDavid: Ahhhh
CheckDavid: Bonuses
CheckDavid: Performance bonuses
CheckDavid: Right?
TestingUnoDosTre: but it's only a function of company performance and personal salary
CheckDavid: I think that's different
TestingUnoDosTre: not your own personal performance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9534 @ 0.0009362 = 8.9257 BTC [+]
CheckDavid: Because then the company declares those 'profits' as costs
CheckDavid: So they ate
CheckDavid: Never real profits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.595 = 1.19 BTC [-] {2}
CheckDavid: So my question stands.
CheckDavid: Is there ever an incentive to def
CheckDavid: *declare profits?
TestingUnoDosTre: sure but at least they have a history of declaration
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 392 @ 0.0017006 = 0.6666 BTC [+] {6}
TestingUnoDosTre: somebody needs to close this... I've got a very minor stake involved
CheckDavid: But those profits are not taxed as normal profits
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 97 @ 0.00193713 = 0.1879 BTC [+] {3}
dexX7: TestingUnoDosTre: don't worry. if you won, you won.
TestingUnoDosTre: I'm not worried, I'm just scroogin'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.590001 = 1.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.59 = 1.77 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.58842001 = 2.3537 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 75 @ 0.00199999 = 0.15 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 62 @ 0.00584193 = 0.3622 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SMG] 3300 @ 0.00008482 = 0.2799 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 54 @ 0.005741 = 0.31 BTC [-] {4}
dexX7: /ignore assbot
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 100 @ 0.0021 = 0.21 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 63 @ 0.002 = 0.126 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 120 @ 0.00214124 = 0.2569 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1200 @ 0.00092844 = 1.1141 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11844 @ 0.00093393 = 11.0615 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 304 @ 0.00218017 = 0.6628 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.58822668 = 1.7647 BTC [-]
moiety: jesus bitcoin e's now? nice encouragement of dogepills too - "Wow. So drugs. Very fucked." wtf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 398 @ 0.00219167 = 0.8723 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: Array
kakobrekla: [mircea_popescu] => 11586
kakobrekla: [assbot] => 7024
kakobrekla: [ThickAsThieves] => 3558
kakobrekla: [asciilifeform] => 3306
kakobrekla: [benkay] => 2682
kakobrekla: lines in 30 days. mp outspams assbot.
mike_c: i'm oddly fascinated. full list?
mike_c: 80 lines a day, not bad benkay.
dexX7: haha awesome and kinda unexpected
mike_c: 400 lines a day, plus trilema. and people think he has sock puppets too. more likely there are 3 people typing as mp :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 325 @ 0.00239999 = 0.78 BTC [+] {2}
kakobrekla: this is last 30 days
mike_c: aww, not even top 20.
mike_c: who knew ascii talked so much?
joecool: lawl
pankkake: mp copies and pastes a lot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4950 @ 0.00093403 = 4.6234 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 300 @ 0.00238499 = 0.7155 BTC [-] {2}
tg2: can has entropy
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07287978 = 0.1458 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 367 @ 0.0024112 = 0.8849 BTC [+] {4}
Apocalyptic: tg2, wait
Apocalyptic: you're using /dev/urandom as a source of entropy ?
Apocalyptic: given /dev/urandom is already using /dev/random as one
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 450 @ 0.00242963 = 1.0933 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: rngd feeds /dev/random with /dev/urandom basically
tg2: Rngd uses more entropy points
Apocalyptic: am I the only one who finds that utterly wrong ?
Apocalyptic: it's like an entropy feedback loop
tg2: And fills it into urandom
Apocalyptic: The -r or --rng-device options can be used to select an alternate source of input
pankkake: it's not that simple but yes you really should use better sources
tg2: ofc
Apocalyptic: <tg2> Rngd uses more entropy points // not in your case
pankkake: try haveged as I said earlier
tg2: Pankkake thx I'll check it out
kakobrekla: mike_c you get top10 on some days :)
ozbot: pisg - Perl IRC Statistics Generator :: Home
mike_c: slow and steady gets you somewhere hopefully
kakobrekla: pankkake but my logs are nonstandard
kakobrekla: i would have to fiddle with it anyway.
tg2: Probably trivial to build a definition
pankkake: the lazyest version would probably be to output the logs to a recognized format
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 90 @ 0.00242994 = 0.2187 BTC [-] {2}
ozbot: Researches find Android apps that covertly mine Dogecoin, one of them with more than a million downl
tg2: :)
benkay: what, asciilifeform generates more -assets lines than me?
benkay: psh.
benkay: ninjashogun lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 3 @ 0.0478 = 0.1434 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17450 @ 0.00093361 = 16.2915 BTC [-]
tg2: Not even using gpus, what is this amateur hour?
MisterE: morning
MisterE: BTC in the shitter, LTC on the operating table but it;s spring in Crimea :)
pankkake: meanwhile ATC up 50%
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10279 @ 0.00093391 = 9.5997 BTC [+]
MisterE: lol realy
MisterE: wow
MisterE: much profits
Apocalyptic: dat ATC pump
moiety: lolol kakobrekla mine isn't as bad as i thought it would be in that lines list XD
kakobrekla: yea not bad
moiety: asciilifeform: did you see MOTD? someone on reddit did it after i posted to photoshopbattles lol
MisterE: " Russian Bear Rising - After swallowing Crimea, Putin’s emboldened regime looks for more prey "
MisterE: ^ wow, such FUD
Apocalyptic: MisterE, what's that headline ?
MisterE: yea
ozbot: front lines: Russian Bear Rising - After swallowing Crimea, Putin’s emboldened regime looks for mo
davout: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 7D: 0.0025 / 0.0025 / 0.0025 (432 shares, 1.08 BTC), 30D: 0.0019005 / 0.00214608 / 0.0025 (3831 shares, 8.22 BTC)
tg2: Ikea commercial
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 250 @ 0.00244489 = 0.6112 BTC [+]
Apocalyptic: moiety, $100 reward ? seriously ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 190 @ 0.00244489 = 0.4645 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00093347 = 9.428 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 784 @ 0.00244489 = 1.9168 BTC [+] {3}
moiety: Apocalyptic: sounds even wors here >> £54.16 lol
moiety: it will be a shopping list in hoax form
ozbot: Very angry kitty at the Zoo. - YouTube
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16200 @ 0.00093259 = 15.108 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12585 @ 0.00093391 = 11.7533 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 173 @ 0.00230371 = 0.3985 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.00600002 = 0.114 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 94 @ 0.00231029 = 0.2172 BTC [+] {3}
MisterE: those the lions they killed?
MisterE: that zoo should rename itself The Butchery
MisterE: srsly though they were following good practice
MisterE: just americans hide that stuff behind closed doors
PANIC_SELL_NOW: price dropping like a rock, bitcoin banned in china
copumpkin: FUD-spreader
PANIC_SELL_NOW: no point in denying the truth, bitcoin is banned in china, the chinese brought us from $250 to $1000. and we'll go right back down to $250
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20245 @ 0.0009317 = 18.8623 BTC [-] {2}
MisterE: not even legit FUD
ozbot: Bitcoin Prices Plunge on Report PBOC Orders Accounts Shut - Bloomberg
Apocalyptic: $250 is fine for me
MisterE: at 250 I'll take cash from the CCs
MisterE: to buy in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00093391 = 6.8642 BTC [+]
noCHINA: did MPEX ever end up giving the SEC satoshidice info?
tg2: Not likely
tg2: We're the investors in satdice even linked to anything materially? Wasn't it all crypto?
Duffer1: there may be an ongoing discussion we're not aware of though
noCHINA: back under $500.... down we go
benkay: webchat lol
benkay: who are you, noCHINA ?
tg2: Gpg up heathen
noCHINA: no CHINA allowed.
Duffer1: tg2 i believe they're just interested in vorhees, not necessarily investors
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1760 @ 0.00093119 = 1.6389 BTC [-]
noCHINA: no bitcoin in CHINA allowed
Apocalyptic: cool story bro
noCHINA: i lost 50 BTC today on bitfinex because of china. so no china allowed from now on
Apocalyptic: bitfinex is scam, you know that
tg2: 0x31FAA963C3333333.sec.gpg
kakobrekla: who the fuck are all these kids
tg2: Can you migrate wot identity to a new key if you sign it with the old?
Apocalyptic: tg2, you can
Duffer1: just set a new key ya
benkay: tg2: for a technical dude you sure don't in2 research
tg2: Yah cause I built wot
tg2: I'm a big proponent you know
benkay: kinda irrelevant
tg2: Check my rating
Mats_cd03: have you two been trolling each other for hours
tg2: No I was actually working today
benkay: ditto
MisterE: tg2: you're never going to register with gpg and you know it :p
Duffer1: ;;gpg info tg2
gribble: User 'tg2', with keyid 4BCCE0D63E7F049F, fingerprint 54D7E1FD9B9319BE3939878B4BCCE0D63E7F049F, and bitcoin address None, registered on Thu Mar 27 03:33:09 2014, last authed on Thu Mar 27 03:33:09 2014. . Currently authenticated from hostmask tg2!~tg2@ .
MisterE: whoa
MisterE stands corrected
benkay: anyone running a pool on how long it takes tg2 to get rated by someone we know?
tg2: Put it on bitbet
tg2: I'll bet against it
benkay: badbet doesn't work
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7350 @ 0.00093032 = 6.8379 BTC [-]
benkay: mpoe over 90k all of a sudden
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 494.55, Best ask: 497.0, Bid-ask spread: 2.45000, Last trade: 497.0, 24 hour volume: 54285.48238278, 24 hour low: 466.1, 24 hour high: 571.5, 24 hour vwap: 520.280688897
benkay: funny how that works
Duffer1: are options trading again?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25569 @ 0.00093003 = 23.7799 BTC [-] {2}
tg2: Dem fireworks
tg2: one fud article about China
tg2: btc on sale
Duffer1: ;;gpg eauth Duffer1
gribble: Request successful for user Duffer1, hostmask Duffer1! Get your encrypted OTP from
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25917 @ 0.00093069 = 24.1207 BTC [+] {2}
Duffer1: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:ff6180ec615df6b5ca3a3db746b31eab308de699c0a301f6b3bf22ef
gribble: You are now authenticated for user Duffer1 with key D5B0A00741A54A60
Duffer1: "This user has not authenticated for more than 104 days. If you are currently talking to someone who claims to be this person, you are probably talking to an impostor and scammer." hehe
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6800 @ 0.00093391 = 6.3506 BTC [+]
tg2: I rekon I could get a key id with 10 characters the same
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 500 @ 0.00230673 = 1.1534 BTC [-] {5}
ozbot: BBC News - Wal-Mart sues Visa for fixing price of credit card fees
Duffer1: i don't see why they even need to sue
Duffer1: they could simply stop accepting visa
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 because they want to make money.
MisterE: not accepting visa would be a death sentence for most retailers
MisterE: its what enables debit cards to work
MisterE: for those without credit
mircea_popescu: ae worked on exclusive deals with many retailers for ages.
mircea_popescu: mc tried something similar with much less success about once a decade since the 80s
kakobrekla: anyway, for now
kakobrekla: this is what you get.
kakobrekla: nothing shocking
MisterE: but if you dont have a credit card and only a bank account with a debit card the visa system is what allows you to use it to make purchases
MisterE: and thats how 90% of America shops
MisterE: that or credit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20925 @ 0.00093408 = 19.5456 BTC [+] {3}
ozbot: The Fierce Battle for the Soul of Bitcoin | Wired Enterprise |
asciilifeform: with obligatory 3d coins.
mircea_popescu: MisterE perhaps 90% of statistics are made up on the spot.
ozbot: Get ready to have your biometrics tracked 24/7 (Wired UK)
MisterE: maybe that was but it's the vast majority
MisterE: everyone shops int he US with plastic
mircea_popescu: plastic != visa electron prepaid "i'm poor" cards.
MisterE: these aren't prepaid electron cards
MisterE: these are bank issued debit cards with the visa logo
MisterE: that makes them able to be used for purchases at most major retailers
mircea_popescu: o look at that, wired article about "the soul of bitcoin", in terms of "two schmucks no one heard of or cares about"
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03 you gonna apply for that eurasia job ? :D
MisterE: also it is your bank ATM card
MisterE: don't you have an equivalent in Europe?
MisterE: hell even backwards Thailand has it
mircea_popescu: _aeon loud who ?
mircea_popescu: TestingUnoDosTre subkeys you generate off a main key aren't more anonymous than the main key.
MisterE: use of credit and debit cards, that use the visa network, for shopping is prolific in the US and any retailer who didn't accept them would be suicide. <- Are you arguing against that statement mircea_popescu ?
MisterE: on what basis?
mircea_popescu: i'm even arguing against your counting ability, that's about five statements right there.
chetty: MisterE, people just dont use plastic much here
MisterE: where is here? I'm talking about the US
MisterE: here in Thailand it's much less as well.
ozbot: Why Don't More Small Businesses Accept Credit Cards - Forbes
noCHINA: orderbook thinning out... 1000 BTC moves price $40 now
Duffer1: what would happen to retailers if the debit card ceased to exist?
mircea_popescu: "Credit and debit cards are nearly as common as cash. "
mircea_popescu: nearly as common means, of course, NOT AS COMMON.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24300 @ 0.00093265 = 22.6634 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: "But data from Intuit shows that 55 percent of the nation’s 27 million small businesses do not accept credit cards."
mircea_popescu: 55% means, of course, a majority.
MisterE: we're not talkign about small retailers / mom & pop restaurants
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
mircea_popescu: and credit cards does not mean "visa"
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 528.97, vol: 54883.57384786 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 523.999, vol: 24612.3518 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 530.0, vol: 48075.95147316 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 539.4, vol: 302.41934332 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 505.82175, vol: 12461.19300000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 538.28324, vol: 45.71503217 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 529.143997251, vol: 355.19673065 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: average: 526.428775509
MisterE: wallmart was the example
noCHINA: Visa should just drop teh minimum per-swipe charge and go straight %. they'd make more
mircea_popescu: credit cards means american express, visa and mastercard, in that order.
noCHINA: walmart suing VISA for $5 billion
mircea_popescu: of which total visa is maybe 20%
MisterE: yes at mom & pop stores where you spend $10 you pay cash
asciilifeform: 'debit' card, at least the u.s. variety, has considerably weaker legal fraud protections than the 'credit' card.
MisterE: when you go to a supermarket and stock up for the week you use a card
mircea_popescu: MisterE unless you're one of the govt poor using the govt's own plastic, which is neither visa nor mc etc.
mircea_popescu: so in general : i understand you're living your own life. you'll have to understand your own life is irrelevant.
mircea_popescu: the market is a larger thing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0009347 = 12.7119 BTC [+]
MisterE: you're making assumptions that I;m extrapolating what I do to others
mircea_popescu: "<MisterE> we're not talkign about small retailers" / "<MisterE> and any retailer who didn't accept them would be suicide"
MisterE: I've lived out of the US for 8-years but even before I left cash usage at large retailers was hard to find
mircea_popescu: no, i'm just telling you you're being an idiot.
mircea_popescu: stop it, read what you're saying before i do.
asciilifeform: might be a geographic thing
MisterE: yes any large retailer who told you you can't pay your $100 bull with plastic would be done
mircea_popescu: and you know this on the basis of because what.
MisterE: because of personal experience, obbviously you have nbot spent much time shopping in rural america at the likes of WlaMart and safeway
mircea_popescu: the place for this sort of nonsense is reddit.
MisterE: I'm not sure if your forbes includes debit cards
MisterE: ok it does
mircea_popescu: noCHINA yeah was a link earlier.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07002031 = 0.2101 BTC [-]
MisterE: I have to admit I'm *very* surprised by the stats in the forbes article
mircea_popescu: they're not even right, they overstate plastic acceptance.
noCHINA: just when you thought bad news was finished for bitcoin -- there is more
noCHINA: china ban, then gox crash, then china ban #2, then IRS,
noCHINA: its like the good news doesn't factor in at all
TestingUnoDosTre: it's like bad news doesn't factor at all
TestingUnoDosTre: and it's more like someone who wanted/needed to get rid of coins
TestingUnoDosTre: seriously. China ban news was released, and bitcoin held at 580
MisterE: yea this last dump, if you can even call it that, was manipulation for sure
noCHINA: TestingUnoDosTre: 50,000 BTC sold today-- thats on china news
noCHINA: its not a co-incidence
TestingUnoDosTre: that's baloney
tg2: That's convenient that 50k were sold and none bought :')
BingoBoingo: Why is a Canadian so worried about China anyways
TestingUnoDosTre: I don't care how many btc were sold today. China news was basically the same shit that was said before, and it was released like 12 hours or more before the MINI crash
MisterE: still MP that is 55% of small businesses. when I said not taking visa would be a death sentence I was talking about large retailers like Walmart or Safeway. I'm sure CC acceptance and usage is much higher there and it would be a death sentence for them.
noCHINA: there is no such thing as 'manipulation' -- there are only bids and asks ... they're either filled or not
MisterE: I cant google up just what % of purchases at large retailers are made with cc
TestingUnoDosTre: I never said manipulation. I agree with your statement. Where I disagree is when you claimed that this had to do with some news that was released.
mircea_popescu: noCHINA it's rare that news actually has any sort of impact on bitcoin prices. people generally like to see patters, but i've seen hundreds of such claims and they were never right.
noCHINA: patterns are nonsense -- its individual whales who move markets, not some lines on a chart
MisterE: they might have leaked a rumor before starting to dump
noCHINA: TestingUnoDosTre: large whales who want to cash out see 'bad china news' and decide to do it quickly
MisterE: then pulled back to scoop up after a drop, thats manipulation
mircea_popescu: MisterE if any large retailer decides to stop taking a card it's more like a death sentence to the card than to the retailer.
kow: what kind of whales, like blue whales?
mircea_popescu: people won't drive an extra gallon of gas just to use random plasic bit X
kow: or fin whales?
noCHINA: no its not -- thats just the free market operating... its up to the stupid public to decide if a rumor is real or not before panic selling
kow: the humpback whale
TestingUnoDosTre: I've been buying all day, and loved it
TestingUnoDosTre: hope it crashes again tomorrow
noCHINA: if insider trading was legal we'd have much more transparent markets
noCHINA: prices would reflect true value at all times
TestingUnoDosTre: don't quote me on that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00093604 = 26.6771 BTC [+] {4}
TestingUnoDosTre: what ridiculousness
TestingUnoDosTre: what type of insider trading do you think occurred
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 185 @ 0.00227755 = 0.4213 BTC [-] {6}
TestingUnoDosTre: squeeze bacon and lovable dogs? wtf
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 675 @ 0.00220088 = 1.4856 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10737 @ 0.00093101 = 9.9963 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [NEOBEE] 151 @ 0.00217 = 0.3277 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 19 @ 0.0060016 = 0.114 BTC [+]
ozbot: 76ers Lose 26 Straight Games, Are Impressively Dedicated To Sucking
noCHINA: is that squeeze bacon shit real?
noCHINA: looks insanely awesome in a not awesome way
moiety: BingoBoingo: that one (youtube link) just totally wanted to rip the camera person's face off didnt it?! i think they are known to scalp people
moiety: i thought i sensed cute, that gif is epic mircea_popescu
moiety: MisterE: re the lions, i looked into it because i hadn't heard about it:
moiety: the dogs head is begger than the whole pup!
moiety: bigger*
MisterE: yea nothing irregular about it
moiety: its awful D:
moiety: i have an animal realted story i cant read because im too scraed to scroll, is there an add on that removes pics? like adblock/flashblock?
moiety: lets try that again shall we? : i have an animal related story i cant read because im too scared to scroll, is there an add on that removes pics? like adblock/flashblock?
ozbot: Family claims hacker taking control of cable box, sending threats | Fox 59 News –
MisterE: well we're breeding animals in captivity better now so have "surplus"
mircea_popescu: the20year3 businesses where the big barrier to entry is capital actually are very poor businesses (in that surpluss capacity can be and usually is created on the spot - or in other words, because they have no moats). buffett expounds on this in his 1983 letter if memory serves.
mircea_popescu: CheckDavid what start-ups specifically.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11554 @ 0.00093672 = 10.8229 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 2 @ 0.5901 = 1.1802 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell benkay lmao nice find.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 85 @ 0.00604755 = 0.514 BTC [+] {2}
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