asciilifeform: hm, possibly the 'compatibility' is 1way. i dun recall exactly.
asciilifeform: comp. with bayonet.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the 'easter block loot' has all a) ran out b) banned by obummer for import
asciilifeform: even the hyped 'rights lobbying' was 100% chemically pure scamola ( nra conceded 'compromise' erry single time whatever ban was going through in washington )
asciilifeform: ( not even speaking of ~how~ implemented -- pointerolade errywhere, etc )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-06#1839829 << a yr or 2 asciilifeform would've balked at this pov, and iirc did when mircea_popescu first wrote it, but today i strongly suspect that the value of 'vintage coad archive' is most likely ~0. quite likely that little to none of it is written to my current standard of hygiene. ( and the effort to answer this q, is closely similar to the effort to simply write new programs... )
asciilifeform: i was thinking from 'truck fleet' pov, where depreciation is computed as a practical approximation to q of 'when will i need to buy new ones'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: reading the depreciations thread, i remembered that it is physically possible to compute an 'exact' depreciation value for ssd drives, as they have 'odometer'. do you think this is worth doing systematically ?
asciilifeform: http://www.pegasoft.ca/pal.html >> 'The PAL is a library of Ada and VHDL software, information, and courseware that contains over 1 BILLION bytes of material (mainly in compressed form). All items in the PAL have been released to the public with unlimited distribution, and, in most cases (the exceptions are shareware), the items are freeware.' << BUT all 3 mirrors dead as dodo.
asciilifeform: i've been thinking about this: seems as if ~every~ proggy where author does not explicitly set objective of compactness, balloons like a midwest ameristani chix
asciilifeform: looks like i am. 'zfp_1_examples' apparently. so this ~is~ shiva all over again.
asciilifeform: or hm, am i simply missing a patch ??
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ap30o/?raw=true << ftr, what happens if you do try to press it. it balks, given as a/examples/constraint/constraint.adb 2df5271a0e78caef0b8281740aeaae60e9e298614951710fd488b7cefc268d151729a682bce66205d310c45a8afb6fa173b1c4e9331fc5ec3cdabdf6663c86eb never existed in genesis.
asciilifeform: it is impossible to press this tree except by abusing a vtron!
asciilifeform: but mircea_popescu has it -- even if fleanode unplugged tonight, we can still speak. it'll simply be temporary headache.
asciilifeform: even on a dedicated leprotoilet -- it's simply unseemly.
asciilifeform: this being said, i personally would prefer exodus from fleanode to happen on our schedule, rather than in the wake of a catastrophic drop of it into complete unusability.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-08-04#1839243 << attempting one as we speak ( if no dice, will reflash the vacant rk with classical img )
asciilifeform: and iirc was also attempt to cure the plague of massively-heatsinked gpu monster popping out of the slot during transport
asciilifeform: what's the middle slot ? ( it isn't pin-compat with the yellow agp )
asciilifeform: the added bonus would be that if run on a misconfigured system, it will do something moar informative than simply hang.
asciilifeform: diana_coman, mircea_popescu : i'd still recommend adding a timeout ( and log alarm if it ever actually times out ) to the FG reader in the s.mg routine -- it isn't physically impossible for the box to die
asciilifeform: however! this does not mean that the 'progress' idiocy where they replaced isa with a stateful monstrosity, is justified -- one could still have an isa-style bus today (i.e. directly addressable by cpu, and cards have simple 'is this for me?' logic, rather than book-length ???? )
asciilifeform: ( tbf, was up previously, simply returning old ip to peers )
asciilifeform: turns out, pretty simple.
asciilifeform: ( 3 by implication also )
asciilifeform: usb is evil in 9000 ways. not only the ridiculous complexity, which makes it impractical to use with ~simple~ microcontrollers, msdos boxen, etc. but also the fact that it is impossible to make a ~transmit only~ (or , for that matter, receive-only) usb device, they are mandatorily stateful. which is the fundamental reason why asciilifeform refused to put a usb chip on FG proper.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/xAQ4U/?raw=true << manual example , testable without rebooting kernel
asciilifeform: note that FG outputs not only random bytes, but at random ~rate~ . currently i wonder if we've unearthed an 'impedence mismatch' in linux tty.
asciilifeform: it's not a constant rate, 7 is the empirical avg., and depends on environmental temp
asciilifeform: not discovered culprit yet, literally 5min ago finished pressing & building ( used ave1's gcc , for completeness )
asciilifeform: the ameri-protestants 'improved' even on this, their heaven iirc is full of aborted foeti
asciilifeform: doubtful, all of the examples i've been able to peek into, are full of xilinx.
asciilifeform: so if you want a 1G/s scope with os where you actually have some control of the timing ( for e.g. real time phase sampling ) you're 100% phuqed.
asciilifeform: recall , similarly, koch's 'fix' for his mpi bug.
asciilifeform: if diseased mind fails to produce impulse to visit toilet instead of filling own pants, then yes, work with.
asciilifeform: this being said, if you implement a timeout for the blocking reads, you will not have zombie problem.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i agree, this kind of thing is absolutely impermissible, and gotta get to the bottom of it.
asciilifeform: but folx attempting to reverse-grind ch11 with old vdiff.sh will inevitably see barf, and there is not currently any fix other than the above.
asciilifeform: still impressive, i'd have imagined multipath would be a killer in BingoBoingostan
asciilifeform: impressive
asciilifeform: i dungetit , why not fair comparison
asciilifeform: fromloper: the moment you start trying to implement something that runs on actual iron, rather than vm/emulator, you're in for some hurt.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as i gather, these folx inhabit a self-complete leprosorium, with 'rational', non-draconic 'explanation' for erry possible misfortune
asciilifeform: 'You clearly perceive immutability as Bitcoin's most important aspect, but others feel that decentralisation is the more important quality ... I don't know how you expect to maintain a decentralised system when the only participants are the limited number of fruitcakes running the 0.5.4 client' << gold.
asciilifeform: oblig su joak : division commander notices that maxim gun emplacement has fallen silent. he walks over , 'comrade gunner, why is your maxim silent' gunner : 'comrade lieutenant, i've run through my belt' lieutenant : 'BUT YOUR ARE A COMMUNIST!' ... the maxim promptly begins to chatter again !
asciilifeform: very limited damage can be done by sheer ineptitude from a mp-wp , afaik .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if your pet can operate a mp-wp, can use, why not
asciilifeform: generally you dun need anyffing nearly as solid as rebar, unless yer pumping 10s of kW into the thing
asciilifeform: https://sc01.alicdn.com/kf/HTB1owCvKpXXXXXmXVXXq6xXFXXX1/Antrad-10-directional-UWB-antenna-6-8.jpg << 6GHz item, pocket-sized. not so simple to scale up, 2x2metre pcb is not off the shelf item )
asciilifeform: afaik the only inca empire that built one for hf was su, and it fell victim to chernobyl incident ( ruin is still there )
asciilifeform: 'Eric Adelberger, one if the leaders of the group, “found Weber’s experiment to be completely unconvincing and realized that with a modest effort we could test his claim” (private communication).'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one of the things that never ceases to fascinate me re physics crackpots, is how rarely they grasp the sheer 'unreasonable effectiveness' of making ~political~ , rather than simply technical, cuts . ( observe, i dun need to read , much less attempt to individually refute, errything the strings people shit out -- for the same reason i dun need to read gavin's code . )
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: 'He’s heard of the Republic, hasn’t gotten around to registering a key yet. Even brought his gentoo laptop to my site this year to pick my brain. I complimented him on having GCC < 5. Thing even had Stanislav’s crapolade mask file! ' << ha.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: problem turned out to be in email sending end . he 'fixed' by emplacing a www file uploader thing, which i've used ever since.
asciilifeform: jurov: would it be simple matter to patch turdatron to reject these ?
asciilifeform: oh almost forgot, for thread-completeness : http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-22#1837154 << >> http://www.loper-os.org/pub/astanin_kostylev.djvu << for the serious aficionado.
asciilifeform: interestingly, both tx and rx end is considerably simpler, physically, than conventional periodic radio -- you dun need oscillators, tuners, at all. aside from pulse shaper, whole thing fits in fpga.
asciilifeform: basic idea, however buried under mountain of paper rubbish, is deadly simple : instead of periodic wave, you send shaped bursts of 'static' that cover entire $band ( ideally, below noise floor ); on other side, receiver has a correspondingly-shaped filter. pulse position encoding + luby etc. for receive.
asciilifeform: mprisoned' uwb to a uselessly short wavelength ( 2-4GHz, with a dip at 3 to 'avoid interfere with gps' ). the academitards naturally bent over backwards , killing whole forest printing paperola re 'optimal fcc-compliant gaussian pulse generation', some konsoomer crud was sold with 'uwb' to transmit vga over 3-4 metres in a room, and that was that.
asciilifeform: hanbot: the thing dun googletranslated, it's simply a grep into http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-19#1740761 .txt
asciilifeform: ( for all i know, it could still be the best example available. but, still , nuts )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what states. simply print copy of success output 'x rated y -10 lamer' etc into chan , neh
asciilifeform: re the other kind ( 'It's a forced thing, which they don't enjoy and at which they're therefore not any good, predictably enough' ) reminds me of shalamov's anecdote where 2 gulag zeks hear a call for carpenters and say 'me, me, i'ma carpenter' despite never having held a saw 'because what, any idjit can cut wood' and promptly falling into lulz
asciilifeform: not so easy to compete with milan, where, what, 7 months of springtime
asciilifeform: and i'll admit, it is unclear still to me where the inhabitants of '100mn sqm of hruscheba' were to be employed , fed with what. su industry imploded, the ex-su space is to this day a land of ruined factories with missing roofs , like the outskirts of timis.
asciilifeform: ~none of the managerial caste showed any symptom of desire to keep the boat floating, but plenty of enthusiasm re tearing off choice planks to make rafts.
asciilifeform: su brass was in full nest-feathering miami mode, the d00d who sold the coal that was meant to keep primorye above 0c in winter being prime example
asciilifeform: naturally orlol omits to mention ~why~ ru immigration laws. ( there's a quite straightforward prime mover -- millions of su plankton formerly living in various newly-'independent' goatfuckistans packet suitcases in '90s and all tried to squeeze somehow into moscow and petrograd , quite impossible to fit )
asciilifeform: afaik shinohai dun have dayjob, so only thing competing for his attention is the beach. so potentially could do serious work.
asciilifeform had no prob with clamps
asciilifeform: reminds me of a daily life lulz ; not long ago asciilifeform repaired a washing machine, early '90s item , one of the last made in usa . and it had clamps on internal hoses that could not be reached with any conceivable tool, repairer was evidently expected to supply 20-30kg of squeeze with... hand.
asciilifeform: i can picture this. it beggars belief tho, because ' mp: d00d, yer tanker has no bottom ' ' tat: but i want to sail!! ' 'mp : sail by yerself then '
asciilifeform: it simply happens that asciilifeform prioritized nics over vga
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: both examples are 'linux system binarism' here
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-20#1836677 << coupla yrs back asciilifeform was able to guess the internal arch and disasm some of that nic init crapola. it's completely meaningless without somehow reversing the die -- consists of coupla thousand writes to hardware regs of unknown function. i suspect that this is entirely typical.
asciilifeform: bonsaikittenization via 'comfort' is well-understood process, it killed erry empire to date.
asciilifeform: he wasn't a cuck because elena owned his house. simply had malfunctioning balls.
asciilifeform: it's a character flaw, property chumpatronics has very little to do with it i suspect
asciilifeform: aa unsurprising then, iirc it doesn't actually ever let go of the crash dumps
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i never got the on-die thermometer reader to work. possibly improved since.
asciilifeform: it would not occur to asciilifeform to attempt to live civilized life on a crapple.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-19#1836413 << lulzy fella, e.g. most recently 'Marketing/branding is something that, unfortunately, the folks in ye olde #trilema utterly fail to comprehend, if quite intentionally so, but the result is the same : they collectively couldn’t market, brand, or sell their way out of a paper bag and childishly mock any attempts to improve on that score. Such is the bed they’ve made for themselves.' ( ht
asciilifeform: PeterL: 2nd week of april -- beach was 27C and... entirely empty. go figure.
asciilifeform: fwiw i never grasped why deedbot permits !!rate out of chan. but possibly trinque & mircea_popescu explained this at some point, i simply could not find in l0gz.
asciilifeform: ( and asciilifeform's only complaint was the plane that stood on runway for 20 extra minutes because some orc derp couldn't fit his ~box of cakes~ into overhead bin )
asciilifeform: i saw in museum an example, old iron pipe rightly wrapped in leather.
asciilifeform pictures BingoBoingo eating dulce de leche in the style asciilifeform's father ate it in su army -- puncture with bayonet and drink, drink, in 'trumpeter's pose' , all 500g at a time
asciilifeform: observe http://btcbase.org/patches/ffa_ch4_ffacalc#L97 mechanism, i fix a max length of param apriori, and routine will explicitly and pompously end the world if luser insists on trying to stuff it further.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this more or less exactly describes gnat's implementation of 'secondary stack' (somewhat misnomer)
asciilifeform: e.g. it is not permitted to index array by a variable that cannot be shown to be ranged within the known ( and it must be known ) size of the array; if you want compiler to permit you the use of a pointer, gotta demonstrate that it cannot outlive its scope; and so forth ( iirc plentifully summarized in l0gz )
asciilifeform: ( separation of language-standard and annexes is a basic component of sanity )
asciilifeform: for thread completeness i must add that there are items in the standard (i.e. 'tasks') that i do not use in ffa, but intend to make use of in future ( i.e. trbi ) , and may be let live.
asciilifeform: was being considered as component in field med kit
asciilifeform: ( spoiler : they went home empty )
asciilifeform: phf: observe however that it is impossible to make use of your approach re cmdline args. the standard unambiguously mandates variably-lenghted strings ( i.e. dualstackism ) for that.
asciilifeform: phf: it will require moar massage to actually produce a compact binary, and so i did not go with it; but it is still prolly The Right Thing long-term
asciilifeform: ( working from asm examples that asciilifeform posted recently )
asciilifeform: ( hence why the logic is brought out to ffa_calc, rather than part of the lib proper -- to emphasize this )
asciilifeform: phf: adacore actually distributes a compiler like this. but it is commercialware, and i've never seen it.
asciilifeform: but given as i do not expect most nontrivial c proggies to build with it, i suspect that the 2 compilers will remain in use in parallel for a while.
asciilifeform: i posted a simple example of this kind of thing, earlier, http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832319
asciilifeform: phf: ave1's item is simply a frozen snapshot of (iirc 2016) gnat.
asciilifeform: phf: why would either of these belong in a compiler ?!
asciilifeform: subset -> complies with standard.
asciilifeform: phf: say what you will re ada standard, but e.g. ffa is ( afaik! ) a nontrivial and at same time ada2012-compliant proggy.
asciilifeform: cl standard is substantially closer to an ~actual~ standard than, e.g., c++, in the it is ~actually possible~ to program in standard cl. but it really gotta be reopened ( perhaps one day, tmsr cl?? ) and completed.
asciilifeform: phf: as you can prolly tell, asciilifeform has an old-fashioned, ГОСТ-like view of standards. in that a standard really ~must~ specifically make vendor lock-in impossible. and if it fails to do this, it is broken and oughta be corrected ( or thrown out. )
asciilifeform: phf: how not ? seems like if you add a feature that 'must be in compiler', you ipso facto broke standard
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835819 << not for sw relay. sw antenna ideally is a 20meter-hypotenuse triangle. in the woods. what in the woods is hot enuff to run a teg ? ( not considering strontium90 barrels here, but compact and inexpensive items. ) afaik pv panel is the only pill.
asciilifeform: both dead to me nao. i never signed the pact for the src, and i won't use today a compiler for which i lack src, full stop.
asciilifeform: anecdote: asciilifeform's elder brother 'lived long enuff' to see sov arcades at length. the infamous 'sea battle' machine universally had a prize compartment, that would open if some outlandish score were achieved. one time, bag of coins, and he managed it. rusty compartment... grinds open. of course empty. arcade keeper 'what did you expect, didja really think you're the first'
asciilifeform: my disagreement bottle then is empty.
asciilifeform: i've read some possibly asciilifeform-able selections from it ( diana_coman's mpi ) , to date that's iirc all
asciilifeform: impersonal. the folx other than mircea_popescu , whose travel lappy doesn't go in diplo pouch and guarded in hotel by squad of musketeers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i was speaking narrowly of scenario where $luser lifts $expectedhash from $officialclient and has his $shitclient feed server $expectedhash when prompted
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835659 << iirc allegro was moar complicated than this, tho tbf i am unsure whether less or ~more~ scammy . it was a nonfixed price (no cost for src actually but had to 1) be existing customer and 2) sign seekricy contract ) and price of being customer in turn wasn't 'fixed' ( 'lispworks' co. iirc charged royalties ) . as for 'specified', this was 1 of the rare products where yes specified ( common l
asciilifeform: ( deadly simple algo : listen for packet at all times, if received one where nonce incremented and rsa sig is valid, that's now the new packet, and now it, instead of prev, gets pulsed ( http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-05#1831796 ) out )
asciilifeform: '...We ended up with a simple protocol packet: the Lulzpacket. This simple packet contains information to verify there was no corruption during the transmission and a random code to pseudo-identify the packet. We define the addresses of nodes in the net by their ability to decrypt a given packet. Addresses are derived from the hashes of asymmetric encryption keys, Every radio node defines its own address by the pair of keys it has ge
asciilifeform: the hashes thing strikes me as promisetronic, it is already 'honour system', why not simply identify the client by name, same effect.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835489 << note that it specifically was an example of a seekrit with strictly limited lifespan -- once there are '9000' repeaters, the need to keep the details under wraps vanishes
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-17#1835519 << guilfanov spent years raging at 'pirates', planting boobytraps, even implemented his infamous 'church interdict' against anyone known to employ ida 'traitors' , then still ended up selling his firm to usg.
asciilifeform: Mocky: i grasp the argument, but must point out that all attempts to date to cudgel people into paying for software, have ended in tears ( usually for the cudgel-wielder )
asciilifeform: unless, again, i misread , what's contemplated is to somehow make 'fetlife female morons' who won't pgp and won't drop winblowz etc use an authenticated piece of soft, somehow ( something that e.g. banks have not been able to accomplish )
asciilifeform: folx who are so 'confusable' that they cannot be persuaded, by carrot or stick, to at the very least check a pgp sig , are beyond redemption
asciilifeform: sorta why i invoked fg as example -- recently i noticed a heathen who lifted the analogue scheme , but could not resist gluing it to the usual heathen whitener , because how could he resist.
asciilifeform: mod6: can you think of a fraudulent scenario that isn't handled by simple vtronics and actually requires seekrit coad ?
asciilifeform: really oughta be improved, to add entropy from arse clenching also!
asciilifeform: observe that some comp makers tried to maintain similar promise to customers -- whole reason why crapple outlived the 1990s, they spent astonishing effort on transparently emulating first their obsolete 68k , then ppc
asciilifeform: well yes, comps-lite for people-lite
asciilifeform: it's more or less the 1 and only thing console maker promises to the buyer. ( otherwise buyer would buy a comp )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly tangentially, have you ever been tempted to distribute eulora as a physical device ?
asciilifeform: reproducible bins are The Right Thing, but it is impossible to explain ~why~ outside of the context of hand-auditability.
asciilifeform: try 'dynamicing' and yer bin simply won't run.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the correct pill re 'dynamic' is simply to cut the dynamic loader nonsense out of cuntoo once and for all.
asciilifeform: the other pertinent distinction is that phuctor is not meant as a building block to use inside other systems. pretty much whole rationale for asciilifeform's refusal to publish whole thing, is specifically to prevent/delay such attempts at use.
asciilifeform: same way as questions of compensation are currently handled in l1 -- word of honour
asciilifeform: relatively compact -- and, more importantly -- short-lived -- seekrits -- are practical. e.g. i send BingoBoingo a qntra item, gpggrammed so as not to get scooped by heathens. next hour it gets published openly.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it gained whatever cost was saved by not screwing around with encrypted downloads or whatever other futile attempts to make water unwet
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sure . but what does it then mean to ask someone to keep a secret, if even verifying the keeping of the promise is impossible ( much less 'enforce' ) ?
asciilifeform: phf: phuctor was stolen, wholesale, complete with iron it ran on, no fewer than twice. usg still dun have , afaik, a working clone.
asciilifeform: and it has 0 to do with 'million fly eyes', but with simply the futility .
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i dun have any ideological allergy to 'proprietary proggy', but must point out that the historical examples are uninspiring, pretty much erryone who was specifically trying to win from limiting distribution of sores, did not win, quite the opposite.
asciilifeform: i guess the part i dun grasp, is what exactly mircea_popescu would wish to accomplish by making a proprietary proggy & distributing src to anointed folx
asciilifeform: diana_coman: it isn't impossible to keep a seekrit, but proposition re doing so to a proggy that has to run on colo'd boxen ( in many cases outside of festung pizarro, even ) is dubious imho
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834762 << when i get own cuntoo test machine up, will test postgres also ( phuctor is currently baked on postgres, though in principle it would also work on mysql etc., simply never yet tried )
asciilifeform: you can approximate the effect with dumpblock/eatblock.
asciilifeform: and whole concept of 'backing up trb' strikes me as wrongheaded -- the most effective backup is simply a 2nd node.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-15#1834721 << for comparison -- what was it like prior to 'aggression' ?
asciilifeform: re 'screen' -- funnily enuff for many yrs asciilifeform did not use it aside from as rs232 terminal a la 'kermit'; for the absolutely fucking vital item of 'leave my bg processes alone when i disconnect', used simply 'nohup', which comes with afaik errry unix since system5
asciilifeform: in his words, lol, 'I never did make it down for one of MP’s famous conferences, then he stopped having them a few years back. So wut do.'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: was mysql the only eulora component that misbehaved on musl ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu had good point, in that if sane logging (i.e. with msec timestamps for everything) were standard, question could be answered immediately.
asciilifeform: https://krsk.au.ru/10190430/ << subj. ( visually superficially like that 'fram', but 'modern', i.e. with compressor )
asciilifeform: fwiw su fridges ( with compressors ) largely still work, and are prized items, healthy 2ndhand market believe or not exists
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there used to be this thing, mostly in orcistans ( 1950s su, ro, elsewhere ) where starvation-cheap fridge, no compressor, but driven by heat ( typically ammonia as working fluid ) , could even run off kitchen gas
asciilifeform: these are slowly getting the axe, 1 after another, most of the ( very solidly built, 2metre-thick walls etc ) exchange houses in usa, today largely empty
asciilifeform: '2g' , notably, is being phased out in usa, in many places ( and on most of the carriers) nao impossible to make a connection at all with these
asciilifeform: i have a classical email box, complete with 'squirrelmail' etc, and pretty much only one i was able to have reliable 2way traffic with, was mircea_popescu -- back when he had a similar box
asciilifeform: the mempool crapola oughta be separate log ( even while we do not yet have mircea_popescu's mempooltron-blocktron cut )
asciilifeform: afaik it doesn't auto-timestamp tho, iirc ben_vulpes , trinque , and possibly others, use linux system log to 'cheat' and get timestamps from trb
asciilifeform: shinohai: consider taking a short at porting cuntoo to pogo, oughta be relatively simple
asciilifeform: i expect that soon n00b will be able to revv up a trb box simply by making use of trinque's builder and then 'emerge trb' or the like.
asciilifeform: ( iirc orig 'lint' came with k&r's c compiler )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in abominably rubbishy toolchains, the practice of 'doing the checks the compiler oughta have but author was dropped as a baby and so it doesn't', roughly.
asciilifeform: in other lulz , https://www.chromium.org/chromium-os/ccd << amstan et al publish their Official usg debug snake . ( holyfuq, wai so complicated, mine is 2 resistors lol )
asciilifeform: supposedly, bulk of 'went bankrupt' in usa is simply where d00d spent a day or 3 in hospital.
asciilifeform: superficially it seems possible to cut apart 'i'ma build fleet of merchant ships and sail to venice' from konsoomer-credit . but i suspect there's a nonremovable 'exam taking' component.
asciilifeform: there won't be demonstrative impalement of folx who lend to the uncreditworthy, because at this point the latter includes ~whole of anglostani empire
asciilifeform: one time saw array of landsknecht gear in chicago , was impressed.
asciilifeform: the 1 non-trinquian component is the kernel, which is bitwise identical to what is on 1) dulap 2) the primary s.mg box. fortunately kernel carries own libc, musltronicity dun affect it. but the trinquian kernel src and my original config is still there, as well as my config for the iron; it is possible for diana_coman to later build the kernel with trinque's gcc, what is needed is to transform my config so that all necessary modules
asciilifeform: nah, simpler, would use existing mechanism that loads modules
asciilifeform: in the end there is no compelling reason to have modulism on box where iron dev aint happening.
asciilifeform: trinque: i have no prob with your 'cemented' approach to kernel, it is Right Thing; mine simply not caught up yet ( december 2017 build )
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu's 'tin woman' essay has the complete story re subj. while printing press prints, making comp for mircea_popescu 'aint big biznis', making ipnoje for lolcat and britney watchers -- is
asciilifeform: just as implied in the name. 'turn net into cable tv'.
asciilifeform: it is an intrinsically chumpatronic artifact.
asciilifeform: right, but there's also a layer of obscene hacks to make the actual compressed frames ride somehow atop http etc.
asciilifeform: subj is perennially fascinating to asciilifeform , how all of the folx with actually promising ideas re comp, withered away and died in '80s, leaving crapple & microshit.
asciilifeform: in the '80s, sony (yes) tried to make a latex that natively writes to a screen. ('sony news' workstation). i dunno how well it worked, they got out of comp biznis..
asciilifeform: PeterL: read again the algo. at no point will it attempt to press a patch that is not an ancestor of the selected leaf.
asciilifeform: wouldn't be the first example of chinesium that overtherms with factory grease.
asciilifeform: there is really nuffin magic or arcane re the dijstrean approach to programming. from asciilifeform's pov, it is simply continuation of the old su approach to engineering, where parts have not only physical mass but complexity-mass, and a rifle with 7 parts that take 28 mill cuts to make is superior to one with 47 that take 200 cuts, even if weighs same
asciilifeform: imho dispensing with 'files as a unit' is The Right Thing, rather than complicated graph walkers. but i'ma not replay the trinque thread.
asciilifeform: ( in trinquian algo, it is impossible to create multiple paths to the same state without creating a cycle, and the latter are detected by the cycle finder )
asciilifeform: phf: right, i grasped this, hence why i wrote a demo impl of trinqueian algo ( http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2018-April/000296.html ) which actually does solve it
asciilifeform: the http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=vtools picture suggests that it's the classic mistake of spuriously bifurcated tree, the kind of thing that had trinque & mircea_popescu raging in the old days and prompted manifest.txt etc
asciilifeform: y'know, sorta like c compiler in the olden dayz.
asciilifeform: a Troo Eternal gnat oughta be able to build itself ad-infinitum, jumping archs as necessary
asciilifeform: phf: ave1's recent breakthrough was specifically this -- a rotor-style cross-compile process that takes an existing amd64 gnat, and builds a particular other gnat for whatever arch
asciilifeform: in other noose, snarfing complete, 2nd dupe found, http://phuctor.nosuchlabs.com/gpgkey/7E7F1A77C5BC62EBC7D363251EA4A619BD704ED95C32BC5099917934CAB1EA41
asciilifeform: repeating fire for 'hosedown' is alluring temptation, recall the quite sad and underpowered chinese multishot arbalest
asciilifeform: ugh did he manage to dig up a pre-timestampremoval vdiff.sh ?!
asciilifeform: looking again at his coad, seems like it simply calls out ( just like my vtron did ) to patch util
asciilifeform: luser count drop could easily be from simple unemployment
asciilifeform: seems to mean simply that key (not necessarily entire luser's acct) was deleted at some point.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-06#1832308 << to expand on this, with the linked mips example, already can haz e.g. 32bit cpu with no pipeline, no cache, etc ~but~ fits in ice40.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to bake a e.g. iron trbi, or the like, you'd need to init and talk to the sata card, this is not given in the example ( but not particularly difficult )
asciilifeform: the demo mainproggy, rom.c, simply prints 'Halted.' to the uart and hangs forever.
asciilifeform: there is a x86-64 pagetable unit, and uart init. some of the routines are in c, but quite simple to translate. there is a heathen printf, can tear it out, or use for hexdumps etc.
asciilifeform: ave1: simulator won't give you much useful to work with re analogue rng, considering that it relies on amplification of physical (johnson) noise
asciilifeform: approx same level of complexity as that little mips.
asciilifeform: the simplest (text i/o only) mips emul asciilifeform likes, is 'gxemul' , should suffice to test.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/2RPis/?raw=true << example. schoolbook mips
asciilifeform: ( init the x64 page table, jump, serial port for i/o )
asciilifeform: ditto, naturally, chinesium ( plenty of cn/jp'kanji' are decomposable into subglyphs, the amt of use made of this fact : 0 )
asciilifeform: in other definitely-not-noose, turns out chechen has ( sorta like the turkic langs ) an astonishing proliferation of tenses ( e.g. you cannot say 'last night epony was impaled on scimitar', gotta specify a tense that depends on e.g. whether you personally witnessed said edifying act, and whether impaled repeatedly or merely 1 thrust, or... )
asciilifeform: 1 of the things asciilifeform would luvvv to see reimplemented in a nearfyootoor sane scripting lisp
asciilifeform: tell usa victim about su konsoomer ~mechanical~ clock with temperature compensation, ruby bearings, etc., he will assume you've taken lsd.
asciilifeform: box, incidentally, doesn't need to know anyffing re particulars of gossip protocol; simply verify(4096b) luby packets, rejecting old nonces, reassemble into block, and then retransmit until a newer block is assembled, then repeat ad infinitum.
asciilifeform: trinque: is your item packaged roughly similarly to my rockchip thing ? (i.e. a tarball that i can unpack onto an empty ext4 , and jump into ) ?
asciilifeform: however if no such incompatibility is found, then yes, it doesn't win anyffing over 'wait for cuntoo' scenario.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: as i understand, it would not be a wasted effort , given as if a musl-incompatibility is revealed , diana_coman can go straight to patching it, working in parallel with trinque's finishing touches on cuntoo
asciilifeform: ( picture a 'alt-history' where it came to be that 2/3 of population owned a particle accelerator (let's say, for sterilization of even moar outlandishly-gangrenous usa.beef than presently sold . ) picture the pestilential 'omfg i am eating what! isotope?!' complaints
asciilifeform: from asciilifeform's pov, it is however ~too many~ meatsacks who own comp (or at least think they do) rather than too few
asciilifeform: in particular true for radio work, where the 'lumped' (see maxwell thread) approximation taught in uni, is actually a mere toy approximation of physical reality
asciilifeform: pulsed tx means you can get away with not only small energy supply (e.g. konsoomer photovoltaic + capacitor) but thin, inexpensive aerial wires, smallish transistor in the amp ( vs the thumb-sized monsters seen in traditional radio design ), and so on.
asciilifeform: my gedanken-schematic contemplated an ~unattended~ relay. ( approx. briefcase-sized, not counting the aerial )
asciilifeform: ( when asciilifeform was running number for a -- so far, paper-only , gedankenexperiment -- shortwave gossipd station, realized that the traditional outlandish bulk of 1000+w shortwave transmitter, is unnecessary if you only care to transmit millisecond bursts a couple times per hr ; can have fairly compact and inexpensive item, not normally seen in 'heavy' pirate radio experience )
asciilifeform: ( btw this kind of thing has some interesting implications: iron that runs in pulse duty cycle can handle unspeakable wattage for so long as the pulse is short. consider typical example, photographer's xenon flash lamp, if you wanted same light in a sustained 100% cycle, you need a 10kg projector rather than 10g flash thingie. or targeting laser for tank, easily 50w , but pocket-sized. )
asciilifeform: re 'surprised by wealth folx', asciilifeform was somewhat astonished to discover that esr's infamous 'open sores ups project' features not a 'make own heavy industrial ups to run for 3 days' but instead... clone of one of those laughably miniature things they sell at konsoomer kompooter shops, 'run for 3min so you can shitdown'
asciilifeform: i saw a pretty great showing of it once, complete with pipe organist accompaniment
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in trilema oldies, http://trilema.com/2014/the-complexity-of-life-a-triad/
asciilifeform: 'A friend, learning C, asked me for help in understand the results of some such expression as a = (b++) + ((b++) + (b++)) It emerged that one could run this on different compilers, even on the same machine, and get about as many results as one tried different compilers...' etc
asciilifeform: meanwhile in usg limba de lemn : 'This report is a declassified version of a highly classified assessment; its conclusions are identical to those in the highly classified assessment but this version does not include the full supporting information on key elements of the influence campaign.'
asciilifeform: in other interesting rtfm's, 'The GNAT compiler supports dimensionality checking. The user can specify physical units for objects, and the compiler will verify that uses of these objects are compatible with their dimensions, in a fashion that is familiar to engineering practice. The dimensions of algebraic expressions (including powers with static exponents) are computed from their constituents.' (ch. 6.5)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in principle. in practice, very difficult ( in asciilifeform's understanding, entirely impractical ) to avoid your model being poisoned at the heart by the retardation of the iron ( dma, interrupts, whole orchestra of horrors that prevent anything like effectual isolation of processes , esp in kernel, and -- more insidiously -- prevent sane model of computation even in head )
asciilifeform: ( to carry on the analogy, in x86's retarded memprotections, you can ~spy on cunt~ of neighbour. but not insert into, unless she is kept in your potato cellar. )
asciilifeform: efs forbidden) , copies to new space. aka 'semispace'. 3) errything else. high-tech , complicated, 'multi-generational' gc, with 'nurseries', etc. imho best implemented in iron, and quite difficult to get it right.
asciilifeform: there are 3 basic cuts of gc. 1) simplest -- no gc. you cons N times, and you're through. this is actually practical ( see the last coupla gc threads ) for scripting lang, where proggy runs for a coupla seconds, on inputs of known size, etc 2) 'stop & copy'. simplest gc, implemented in 1950s-1970s lisps, and by erry student in school. proggy runs out of space -- stops, finds what is alive and what is dead via refcounting (circular r
asciilifeform: ( complete with kycism etc )
asciilifeform: phf: copied the layout blindly from vendor's example shitlinux
asciilifeform: 'Trump said he would not rule out a "military option" to deal with Venezuela' << lol!
asciilifeform: making it happen required buncha painful db tuning, which is nao complete.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. can compactly inflect $verb into 'to force [subj] to $verb' )
asciilifeform: traditional, army belt, compleet with star
asciilifeform: canhaz example?
asciilifeform: btw re 'oil-impregnated wood', recall the porous bronze thing ( http://btcbase.org/log/2016-08-12#1519905 & elsewhere ) , 20th c riff on that ancient tech.
asciilifeform: fuckjing martian langs. jp is pretty simple by comparison.
asciilifeform: re irix boxen -- the last pre-intelization machines, e.g. 'octane', 'octane 2', were princely, errything-hotswappable, on rails, copper meshing against emp, redundant cpu/memory/power/etc, prolly eternal.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not only still exists, but asciilifeform ( and iirc phf also ) have working examples .
asciilifeform: and, from same fishwrap , 'Intel CEO Brian Krzanich has resigned effective immediately. Krzanich is stepping down due to a past consensual relationship with an Intel employee and the company's internal investigation has confirmed a violation of their company non-fraternization policies. '
asciilifeform: maybe not even good continent for comparison, prolly maori better example.
asciilifeform: ( and from orcological pov, attractively-impenetrable, to earthling philologist, language isolate )
asciilifeform: lol, compleet with crackpot instruction set arch !
asciilifeform: and so in erry case there was attempt to replace. the tailor, with 'singer' chix, the greybeard -- with google monkeys; the whole lot.
asciilifeform: trinque: typical 'male tech' today is not even fit to empty sewage tanks reliably, verily
asciilifeform: prolly bad example, nao that i think of it, pretty much any multidecade driver, incl. asciilifeform , would've handled the eggog correctly, in 50ms ( allowing for length of his legs )
asciilifeform: arbitrarily deeply trainable in specifics, but they tend to collapse under 'this system i did not even know existed, has broken down', is my impression.
asciilifeform: granted asciilifeform has 1 pet, and not 9000. but regularly witnesses the water pump scenario.