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ben_vulpes: oh neato, /me looks forward to reading
deedbot: http://danielpbarron.com/2018/do-you-know-who-i-am-now/ << Daniel P. Barron - Do you know who I am now?
ben_vulpes: i'd dearly like to hear what arguments were so compelling as to turn you from the path of wifebeating, danielpbarron
ben_vulpes: whttp://trilema.com/2018/in-which-a-bizarre-character-wanks-it/#selection-537.0-553.158 also
danielpbarron: yeah i'm not a huge fan of the deleting part, but it was a point of contention among the fellowship
ben_vulpes: "i was wrong, and the new piece lives at XXX" didn't pass muster or what
danielpbarron: i'll have to write up the arguments made re: wife beating
danielpbarron: i have the article marked private, maybe when i have a new one to link i'll ask about doing that. but i think their point was if you don't believe it anymore why even have it there?
ben_vulpes: to point at your evolution as a human being over time, for one
ben_vulpes: then, sucked. now, suck less.
ben_vulpes: otherwise one implies timeless energy-dragon crystalline perfection of self, which is a falsehood.
danielpbarron: i agree
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837476 << more generally, actually : that you're so fucking private about what's doubtless a public point of concern, namely the strange case of the conversion of a member of the republic's lordship smells to me of a colossal wasted opportunity.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 09:02 ben_vulpes: i'd dearly like to hear what arguments were so compelling as to turn you from the path of wifebeating, danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: "i am the guy who was going to go to the republica oriental but then went to rural oklahoma instead and 2018 is the year i explained nothing about this on my blog".
mircea_popescu: the puritan low-volume-comms thing is generally a losing strategy, both socially and personally, but ESPECIALLY so here.
mircea_popescu: user_ dude stop fucking around with that connection
mircea_popescu: !!up user_
deedbot: user_ voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck are you anyway ?
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837472 << fwiw d00d updated his article; tho i admit i'm still puzzled
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 01:56 mod6: <+asciilifeform> in other lulz, http://btcinfo.sdf.org/blog/bitcoin-knots-restored-as-the-default-upstream-ebuild.html << shinohai endorses prb... << yeah, wtf is this all about. srsly now.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837479 << fwiw i've never deleted on my www ( tho i do have several articles marked 'this is obsolete, see $neweritem' )
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 09:13 ben_vulpes: "i was wrong, and the new piece lives at XXX" didn't pass muster or what
mod6: asciilifeform: ah
mircea_popescu: me either.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would i. strikes me a lot like "breaking up". who the fuck does that, what, i'm monogamous now ?!
asciilifeform: 'the moving finger writes, and having writ...' or how did it go.
mod6: asciilifeform: mats is a pizarro customer, he has paid through july. however, we need to consider letting him stay a customer since:
mod6: !!reputation mats
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JuTUX/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: fuck me, i'm ruining your shit aren't i.
mircea_popescu will unrate, i suspect the point is made and i really don't give that much of a shit.
mircea_popescu: !!unrate mats
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/32cp5/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mats is not only pizarro customer , but also collecting phuctor fodder ( btw mats , lemme know when ready , it can go in same day )
mircea_popescu: you talked me out of it.
mod6: np mircea_popescu, just trying to make sure we're keeping pizarro's house clean. cheers
asciilifeform: mod6: relatedly , douchebag's subscription ( purchased by mircea_popescu ) also expires end of month iirc
mircea_popescu: im not renewing.
asciilifeform: aite
mod6: ok thanks, mircea_popescu. noted.
mircea_popescu: i might get this inept slut a blog though... what'd pizarro think about giving my stupid whores slots on the mp-wp megaserver ?
asciilifeform: then , BingoBoingo : plox to power down rk 'A' and insert its stick into dulap , for reimaging, when subscr expires
asciilifeform: this box will become arm64 cuntoo pilot.
mircea_popescu: i mean, "my computer was updating" level of windowsity, 0 expectation of any kind of clean process.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if your pet can operate a mp-wp, can use, why not
mod6: mircea_popescu: I don't see any problem with it as long as it's all paid up and we can you or them directly for it.
mircea_popescu: cuz i thought the idea was that there's some security concerns.
mod6: Your pets, your mess :]
mircea_popescu: i don't suspect she'd be in the slightest malicious ; but i also don't expect she ever controlled a box. for all i know it's an open relay.
asciilifeform: very limited damage can be done by sheer ineptitude from a mp-wp , afaik .
mircea_popescu: well... afaik also. but it's your box, so it's your call. shall we find out ?
deedbot: http://trilema.com/2018/how-things-have-changed/ << Trilema - How things have changed!
mircea_popescu: ^ big deal, btw.
asciilifeform: 'Okay, thanks for your honesty U+1F602' << lol!!
asciilifeform: 'Unicode Character 'FACE WITH TEARS OF JOY' (U+1F602)' ftr.
mircea_popescu: motherfuckers managed to "make the LOL" have tears in eyes.
asciilifeform: nuts.
mod6: sad
mircea_popescu: because it's totally lwtime.
mircea_popescu: "oh but mp, accurate glyph for lol would have to include sound" "so ?" "so we can't do that" "you can't do any of the other shits you're doing either..." "but a limit must be drawn!" "no, motherfucker. a limit must be drawn alphabet existed already. you're the no limits may be drawn crowd. fucking hang by your own petard, lol is a face emitting sound as glyph!"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: controlled techno-regress (e.g. in this case, from alphabets to hieroglyphs) is a perennial obsession among the jwz folx , the same people want to mandate earth latrines instead of watercloset, BingoBoingo's butane cycle fridge , etc. notion being, i suspect, 'wind back the clock to when we mattered'
mircea_popescu: or go back up their stupid mother's cunts, why not.
asciilifeform: that's pretty much it.
asciilifeform: meanwhile in vintage flondors, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Zs0jXa9u-a0
asciilifeform: ^ 1st time i've seen historic firing squad clip ~with scrolling credits~
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i read the 'how things have changed' piece and from the opening 'Six years ago that was even correct ; but meanwhile consider' expected a 'seawater uranium mining nao +ev' but turns out nope ; moar hieroglyphic sluts ? or what am i missing
BingoBoingo: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837517 << ack
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 15:09 asciilifeform: then , BingoBoingo : plox to power down rk 'A' and insert its stick into dulap , for reimaging, when subscr expires
asciilifeform: ty BingoBoingo . mod6 plox to confirm exact time.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform consider eg that pizarro doesn't need to undertake the (significant, and unbounded) cost of writing "code of conduct" or "terms of service" or any of the other nonsense. things have changed. nude bitcoin is dangerous in the sense discussed in 2012, but bitcoin-as-currency-of-the-republic eminently usable today.
asciilifeform: aa this yes
mircea_popescu: moreover, these are different items. the chick with the emoji and http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837516 are not the same. i don't expect you to care about the difference, but i do. to me it's meaningful, and in the end that's all it takes, yes ? exactly mirror case of the mats discussion above.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 15:09 mircea_popescu: i might get this inept slut a blog though... what'd pizarro think about giving my stupid whores slots on the mp-wp megaserver ?
asciilifeform: i was speaking of the 'the offensively stupid poor. The costs of the strategic mistake of dealing with them' item
asciilifeform: aa
mircea_popescu: if i can select one usable nude floorwasher in 250k imperial "accounts", then probably so could you* (*conceivably, you don't want nude floorwashers, but ~necessarily~ it doesn't matter what you want, the foregoing applies)
mircea_popescu: but whether you can or you can't, you don'tr know until you try.
asciilifeform: theoretically yes. and hey, the nigerians took it to a high art in the '90s.
mircea_popescu: as the cattle goes browsing on the pasture, so does the white butterfly go looking for cabages.
mircea_popescu: less than 1% of 1% of the material of interest to the ox is of interest to pieris rapae ; but the field provides for all.
asciilifeform: elementarily , the critters for whom the field does not today provide , are nowhere to be seen.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the nigerians were looking for a stupid. there's a fundamental difference between self-limiting and self-expanding things ; and i propose the nigerians aren't a relevant model at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but not for lack of trying!
mircea_popescu: if i take http://trilema.com/2018/it-came-out/ cutie for a sea trip and it has the misfortune of coming to life 500 miles out, it'll still fly over the ocean looking. and so must you, because until you're dead you don't know you're dying.
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: i'ma have to take mircea_popescu's word for it re the diff b/w the 2 chix
asciilifeform: ( to asciilifeform it is opaque )
asciilifeform: ( and iirc we already have a thread in the l0gz where mircea_popescu 'they could! be trained to do technical works but i would not waste prime chix on soul-rotting butugychag' , so no particular reason to review unless mircea_popescu feels like )
mircea_popescu: link ?
asciilifeform: hmm
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ty BingoBoingo . mod6 plox to confirm exact time. << according to the notes about the accounts that I received last night from ben_vulpes, his rockchip is rented through August 19th.
asciilifeform: ah ty mod6
mod6: ben_vulpes: plz confirm ^
mod6: anyway, I believe you can re-image starting: 2018.08.20 00:00:00
mircea_popescu: you know, far be it from me to hassle you folk about your fine organisation ; but it occurs to me, on the butress of experience, that you're running a very wasteful process in that every.single.god.damned.thing produces an interrupt. there should be some queues and some batching, you can't ping someone every.single.time.anything.occurs. yes ?
mircea_popescu: "one single interrupt is worth 15 minutes of labour" or how did that tale go.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at current rate of interrupts, 2-3/month . but yes, will have to be optimized.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i saw two the past hour and i recall at leasta coupla yest which is why i said.
mod6: agree, and duly noted.
mod6: yeah, forgive me. i'm just getting up to speed on all of the particularities of what is going on here. I only ask ben to confirm because alf said earlier that it expired at the end of the month.
mod6: Which, conflicts with the notes. And to your point, mircea_popescu, we need to get better at comms & note sharing.
mircea_popescu: possibly have a file with all the stuff you want to send people (because this process of -- think of it -- do something about it! has a lot of merit to it). but if you just >> alf.txt and then once a day or once a week or w/e >> gpg -aer alf and >> p.bvulpes.com then you get it all.
mircea_popescu: also has the advantage that it puts the patters right under your eyes, so to speak. you get organisational audit for free with it.
mircea_popescu: patterns*
mod6: *nod*. The file I've got in front of me is a good start to such a reoccring information passing. It's genereated dozens of questions from me; once I have them answered, I'll send it around. This will also help BB get up to speed on what is what early.
mod6: I appreciate the advise here. The management end here has to get better.
mircea_popescu: practice makes purrfect.
mircea_popescu: that's the overawing important point -- the reason we are so damned good today has a lot to do with what lispers call repl and biologists call genetics. if you can get a recurring loop going you'll probably win.
mircea_popescu: "use the log" doesn't just mean, read here. use it, as the tool it is, in the sense of permit referentiality.
asciilifeform exhausted the current allotment of cycles to dredge up the $thread , perhaps will turn up later when i remember the correct hooks
asciilifeform: it went approx like this, iirc some time in 2016 : asciilifeform : 'if quality slavegurlz can be trained to do anything , mircea_popescu couldja spare 1 or 2 for ada battallion ' mircea_popescu : 'hell no, why would i waste any on such a thing; what next, i will ask asciilifeform to do field work detail in their place ? '
asciilifeform: ^ if anybody recalls this thread, plox to link
mircea_popescu: i expect it was more along the lines of "you manage yours, i'll manage mine, tyvm."
asciilifeform: right, i dun disagree
mircea_popescu: but yes, if you've got a competent spy you're not going to make her a competent kbd monkey -- for approximately the same reason people don't usually eat their children. acceptable substitutes for flesh can usually be found.
asciilifeform: that being said, history knows cases where officer in short-handed unit picked up rifle and engaged .
mircea_popescu: hence eg today's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837516
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 15:09 mircea_popescu: i might get this inept slut a blog though... what'd pizarro think about giving my stupid whores slots on the mp-wp megaserver ?
asciilifeform: aha
mircea_popescu: in fairness, that's more in the vein of "well... i got this here chunk, but hard to tell what it actually is, bring me a selection of hammers to hit it with see if it sings."
asciilifeform: oblig su joak : division commander notices that maxim gun emplacement has fallen silent. he walks over , 'comrade gunner, why is your maxim silent' gunner : 'comrade lieutenant, i've run through my belt' lieutenant : 'BUT YOUR ARE A COMMUNIST!' ... the maxim promptly begins to chatter again !
asciilifeform: *YOU
mircea_popescu: lol
asciilifeform: ( or see also mircea_popescu's seven dwarves story, similar. )
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-24#1837590 << and ftr, "usually" is the right strength there. plenty of children have made in the past, and no doubt will make in the future, most delicious stu.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-24 16:33 mircea_popescu: but yes, if you've got a competent spy you're not going to make her a competent kbd monkey -- for approximately the same reason people don't usually eat their children. acceptable substitutes for flesh can usually be found.
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/remote-command-execution-vulnerability-found-in-sony-webcam-firmware/ << Qntra - Remote Command Execution Vulnerability Found In Sony Webcam Firmware
lobbes: Lol. "While parsing the input measurement string, there isn't a check on the server address (-c). In this manner, any string can be placed as the server address and will be executed via system. Knowing this, an attacker can execute arbitrary commands in the position of the server address."
lobbes: Sony "pulled a lobbes"
asciilifeform: lol
deedbot: http://qntra.net/2018/07/oracle-re-patches-11-year-old-solaris-hole-that-survived-first-patch/ << Qntra - Oracle Re-Patches 11 Year Old Solaris Hole That Survived FIrst Patch
mircea_popescu: aaand in today's ancientry, "Uite-asa se scurge timpul, si Romania progreseaza, incet-incet, ca melasa, pe lungul drum al prefacerii intru devenire, a construirii unei societati a viitorului, in care omul nou sa traiasca vesnic si sa nu faca nimic cu toata vesnicia aia."
mircea_popescu: and this is pre-bitcoin even!
mod6: All, one thing that I didn't know that I even had to do, was publish the price at which the this months auction for pizarro took place. It all transpired on July 10th, and the price that was used was $6800.
mod6: This will be the price used when determining invoicing this month. I am working with / have been working with ben to get all of these settled.
mod6: I am hoping to get invoices for July out in the 48 hours.
mod6: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform : Dulap's quarterly service was finished at the end of june. So we need to figure out if you want to pay for dulap's colocation either quarterly, or yearly. But it does need to include July.
mod6: No worries, just let me know what works, and we'll get a price figured out.
mod6: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : Ben and I worked out a prorated amount for UY3 for the month of July. It comes to a total of 19 days, which will amount to: 0.03542985
mod6: If you decide to go-production with this machine after July, we'll then add in the new drives (when they arrive) and figure out a new price at that point.
mircea_popescu: a right, lessee
mircea_popescu: !!invoices
mircea_popescu: !!receivedinvoices
mircea_popescu: !!received-invoices
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/BHwQH/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: mod6 go ahead an' invoice. i recall now seeing something like this b4 but no invoice either.
mod6: For S.MG's UY3 then?
mircea_popescu: well the july bit above.
mod6: Yup, gotcha. Will fire one up here in just a few moments.
mircea_popescu: i dun recall, did you ever include the rationale, past "ben and i worked out" ?
mircea_popescu: !!reject-invoice lobbes 2
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/TBdsE/?raw=true
mod6: he lead me through all of the calculations. let me dig some of it up for you.
mircea_popescu: ^ that being the "accidentally paid 2017 invoice again" item that led to http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-03#1831526 and the change in counts.
a111: Logged on 2018-07-03 16:01 mircea_popescu: so trinque could it be possible to not be possible to pay the same invoice twice cuz that's the point of invoices in the first place, they should die once paid
mod6: So the 0.03542985 includes the price of the physical box, and a charge for rack space. we broke this down into a daily cost, then multiplied it by 19, as we figured this out on the 12th.
mircea_popescu: !Qcalc 0.03542985/19*30
lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: 0.0559418684211
mod6: it was like:
mircea_popescu: this ~same item that ran me 0.475 for a whole year ?
mod6: !Qcalc (((0.42967914/12)+0.022)/31)*19
lobbesbot: mod6: 0.0354298485484
mod6: mircea_popescu: um, I actually don't know what was factored in for the whole year. my guess is that one may have had a discount for paying a whole year in advance. where this number has a bit of a higher margin for month-to-month.
mod6: ben_vulpes: any comment on this when you get a chance? ^
deedbot: http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-3/ << esthlos - Log Reading, Week 3
mircea_popescu: lol. aaanyways, i've no problem with the three cents, go ahead an' invoice.
mod6: Alright, on it.
mod6: !!invoice mircea_popescu 0.03542985 July 2018 prorated invoice for UY3
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/JKOzk/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: !!pay-invoice mod6 1
deedbot: Get your OTP: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/w2F1i/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: let's see if we can get you sorted out with a whole coin :D
mircea_popescu: "So this week's post is late." has such a ring of familiarity about it.
mod6: !!v AC89739413698263AF8E7C738E2EB868109ED900600651DBD3E07B0C140366BC
deedbot: Invoiced mircea_popescu 0.03542985 << July 2018 prorated invoice for UY3
mod6: !!ledger
deedbot: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/CWdgN/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: esthlos http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-3/#footnote_1_30 << what's that mean ?!
mod6: anyway, sorry about that, it took me a few minutes to get the invoice processed. not sure if it let you pay that invoice before I did the whole !!v thing.
mircea_popescu: if i understand the mechanics correctly it'll work fine.
mod6: ah. didnt see it in my !!ledger.
mircea_popescu: that's why it'll work fine. seems to me it creates a symbol when asked, but only checks once !!v'd. since i've not done that yet, it didn't matter you hadn't yet !!v'd atthye time i !!pay-i'd.
mod6: ahh. herp.
mod6: my bad.
trinque: mircea_popescu: correct
mod6: anyway, no rush.
mod6: I'm gonna be around a bit, but we can always talk about what you wanna do with Dulap tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: i dunno wanna do anything with it tomorrow
mircea_popescu: oh, you mean talk tomorrow. lol. sure, dun worry about it.
mod6: yeah, :]
mircea_popescu: we can always talk tomorrow about what you wanna do with Dulap!
mod6: haha, indeed.
ben_vulpes: mod6: discount for paying for a year in advance, there are also two fuckgoats in that machine
mircea_popescu: and more drives ?
asciilifeform: mod6: dulap is a colo, recall, it wasn't sold
asciilifeform: ( unlike the smg units )
mod6: oh. alright, the price that I invoiced Mr. Popescu for correct tho right (what we came up with on the ~12th)
mod6: asciilifeform: correct. technically we should have figured out the quarterly or yearly contract at the end of june.
mircea_popescu is not even going to ask what this overselling does to his insurance for the other machine :D
mod6: heheh, this is a fair point here.
asciilifeform: mod6: let's make this tomorrow, i'm about to fall down, gotta sleep
mod6: np.
mod6: last point here: if UY3 goes into production, I think we'll just buy another machine as insurance.
mod6: Can't hurt to have that hot-spare. I quite like the idea.
asciilifeform: btw there is still a cold spare in the rack ( s.nsa spare )
mod6: *nod* good to know.
mod6: ok asciilifeform, get some sleep. I'm about to do the same. we can pick it up tomorrow.
asciilifeform: asciilifeform in favour of lending it to e.g. smg , in hour of need
mod6: sure.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: awesome
asciilifeform bbl
mod6: ni ni
ben_vulpes: in unrelated http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-15#1656658 , ben_vulpes moving to texas to whip trinque's oarsmen, re-plumb engineroom, stand watch over gauges
a111: Logged on 2017-05-15 22:36 mircea_popescu: "Somewhat fortunately Balsamiq was too successful for that, and Giacomo was forced to hire more and more people. Balsamiq is now being built by 25 members, who service around 0.5M customers and manage 10,000 new transactions a month. All of it generating about $7M a year." << this is actually a model-run business. had nfi mp-style even exists in fiat world, but lo and behold. took 10 years to get to 7mn a year, sustainably.
mircea_popescu mashed kbd apparently when pressing yes, test.sh got saved as test.sht, system couldn't magically find script anymoar, 5 minute haphazard luls ensued.
mircea_popescu: apparently i don't even need to run it for this judgmental box to have an oppinion on my skillz.
mod6: :D
esthlos: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-25#1837653 << recent example would be http://btcbase.org/log/2018-07-18#1835763 and the few posts following .
a111: Logged on 2018-07-25 03:08 mircea_popescu: esthlos http://blog.esthlos.com/log-reading-week-3/#footnote_1_30 << what's that mean ?!
a111: Logged on 2018-07-18 01:07 asciilifeform: my only disagreement was re the notion that this is necessarily The Right Thing for erry proggy, as some sort of counter to 'rmsism'
mircea_popescu: well, alf's oft peculiar assumption set isn't what i had in mind when discussing information density. but instead, two aspects : on one hand, that the amount of learned refrences is staggering even for academic discourse (the academitards cheat, by selecting a very narrow set of possible reference points and agreeing on it in advance) ; and then the more one knows, the more things unfold, exactly in the manner i end up watchi
mircea_popescu: ng some movies twenty fucking times.
esthlos: I see. yeah, following the references, reading the trilema articles, etc. are half the work of reading the logs. and when skipped, render the logs opaque
mircea_popescu: and when followed, render the logs exponentially larger, because wait a fucking minute, is THAT implied the other implication of item from three days ago ?
mircea_popescu: most (private) attempts to do what you're doing i know of died the death of the look-behead.
mircea_popescu: behind*
esthlos: lol please don't behead poor esthlos :)
mircea_popescu: lol
esthlos: keeping the summaries allowe me to track the threads of implications. i have nfi how people manage otherwise. though my rote memory sux
lobbes: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-19#1815822
a111: Logged on 2018-05-19 23:09 mircea_popescu: "ia, not ai."
esthlos: but not all the threads. conversations that go on for years and years? this thing is the fucking talmud
mircea_popescu: most [important] conversations are ongoing for many years. they basically happen in this select group of complex interplay.
mircea_popescu: you're perhaps familiar with the theory of sets to the degree the discussion of cardinal of sets in http://btcbase.org/log/2016-12-31#1594980
a111: Logged on 2016-12-31 19:32 mircea_popescu: fortunately, mathematics is simple. V is the set of all sets. by convention, the first index, V0, is the empty set.
mircea_popescu: the problem of indirection layers is directly an equivalent of this, because "what is this conversation REALLY about" permits in principle an open ended reskinning of every conversation. which is somethingt that happens all the fucking time, because we CAN discuss chess in terms of girl-on-girl on-cam action, and half the time we also do.
esthlos: you know, I was in fiat job today, and I realized how badly I needed a global namespace for threads. no wonder no one get anything done
mircea_popescu: which is why it's so HARD to ~correctly~ identify actual cases of utter breakage in the sense of "alf is an assumptive idiot" or "mp is millitantly ignorant" or w/e.
mircea_popescu: hard for the not-exactly-ungifted peole in the very question, first of all. because well...

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