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(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's nonsensical.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: myriadgetsmehard: what is this, 90's domain bubble again?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and also they only fly at 2kph
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: but the bullets are materially different. lathed shit, perhaps.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think it means he can stroke it to anything
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what's a "dget" ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: although i imagine the hardened russian finds the US street gang similarly incompetent.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: to return to the previous topic of conversation: the incompetence of the prisoners implies incompetence of ratcatchers, non?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's the only free market with which you need concern yourself.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: myriadgetsmehard: put 'em in the OTC order book.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "luxury" anything -> spam ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: case closed.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "BitPremier currently lists only the following: real estate, autos (listed at $50k USD or more), jewelry and watches (listed at $5k USD or more), home goods and travel (listed at $5k USD or more), handbags and accessories (listed at $5K USD or more)"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: noyrly luxury items, those.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah, you have domains for sale.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what does listing your btc domains mean?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: who would you auth as, myriadgetsmehard ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;ident myriadgetsmehard
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the correct usage is 'r'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the mind boggles at the thing mircea_popescu finds difficult to explain, in any language.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is a good prisoner?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <decimation> gov't pays for such 'research', most of which is pointless: http://www.sbir.gov/ << people say: "do this!" and I say "what innovation? we duct tape thinger a to tab b and make clients happy." they do not understand, and i cannot enlighten them without calling into question that which they value themselves upon.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: edulcorously?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: agua sin gas bleh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and nobody's allowed in the bull run
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in this town we flush whole reservoirs when someone pees in them
(trilema) ben_vulpes: first moon landing - full of standard procedures.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the gutenberg notices are longer than the story
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the "let me fuck your shit up" switch must be enabled.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: new encryption settings
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and there are enough on the table that i should be making odds on how many close
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if these deals come through, i'm going to have such sweet projects lined up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: would this actually be a frequency response thing?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: energy reservoir backing it empties.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hammer wears
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ThickAsThieves: doge is up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ThickAsThieves: jezz is around, and ozbot responds in pm, but it's not in chan.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: urethrathermal cryptanalysis
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's this impossible-to-circumvent 60-hr onboarding window with new devs on old projects.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ThickAsThieves: honestly it's a play to get some time to read the code and fuck around with tests before clients start asking for features.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just need moar memory for btc :P
(trilema) ben_vulpes sees prodnet and testnet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <jurov> i have a little hope for haskoin, it's nicely done << last i checked it was just an rpc wrapper, has it grown much?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: say it again and again
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 't'ain't a security audit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how else am i to know what i'm getting into?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <ThickAsThieves> i often think about that, how the hell can someone who cannot/willnot read code, ever be the steward of a software project safely? << for legacy projects i generally angle for an audit phase.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but again, it's late.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's something in here about buying others risk
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah. software hazard.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, nite.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: reeeeeeally bad feedback loops.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's not that software doesn't smack the operator, but that the operator smacked is rarely the one who wrote it in the first place.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ben_vulpes: if software were to start behaving like metal cut, most of the extant practitioners would fellate their pistols. << ask the maintainers of legacy software how they feel
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is this point of socrates' re marriage?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: le travail, c'est le travail
(trilema) ben_vulpes: software: risk sanity
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hardware: risk hands
(trilema) ben_vulpes: homegrown software hacking thinger: tools make imaginative, creative engineers regret career choices.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: homegrown low-budget machine shop: tools will refuse to stay in true for any significant period of time.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> TheNewDeal: Feel like I working in a chinese sweatshop for the last half hour << i am glad to learn that i am not the only one who ended up constructing his own personal chinese sweatshop to toil in... << and how is this different from the making of a computer useful for software development?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <decimation> what intrigued me was the mention of the vlsi design software that was written in lisp << me too. has the source been lost?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;gpg info jaycutler6969
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;ident jaycutler6969
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: precisely the point. owner's pedigree is the only thing backing a premined coin whose mining network is controlled entirely by the owner.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/vpqTxnd << oh god oh god my bleeding eyes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: marriage. first thing a nascent government goes after.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it ain't that late
(trilema) ben_vulpes: consider though, the coin whose owner controls its network. 'mpexcoin' vs. 'goxcoin'. one trades at an indistinguishable discount (mp claims premium) from market, the other traded at a notable discount (eventually).
(trilema) ben_vulpes: details of premine and network operation are hazy.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <decimation> mp_colonist: that's an interesting thought, you are probably right. it also makes the actions of the west w.r.t. money obviously 'dishonorable' << zero, one, infinity. a good wot may grant you a coin of honor.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: out of curiosity: did they ever remit?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: remember that you're the one who insisted on taking a dependency on the aforementioned heathens.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: xmj: if you have to ask...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a no scuse me 'gold'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: kBez << gold
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pity the pauper.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm sadly intimately familiar with the turds in flight.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mp_colonist> +ben_vulpes no idea how that happened. noobicle. << shit, vulpes. did you just get called by a girl ?! << read it again, and that to which it's a response.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you're asking if the trainers have to know what they're doing and do it properly then yes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: " On January 17, 1995, Intel announced a pre-tax charge of $475 million against earnings" << convenient
(trilema) ben_vulpes: reddit v. bitcointalk.org - matters?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: really? i was under the impression that it was just shit and to be avoided.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;gpg info JuliaTourianski_
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;gpg info JuliaTourianski
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;gpginfo JuliaTourianski
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;ident JuliaTourianski
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not for you apparently.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aside from pedigree.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why do you bring up bsd in the context of macos, BingoBoingo ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "they" ambiguous.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'android'? unix?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's a convenient chumpatron - both my shartup short and the touchscreen phenom.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: who knows/cares.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: LS(1) BSD General Commands Manual LS(1) << BingoBoingo quite.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there are keys and certs and provisioning things and developer whatsits and i ask you - why does this thing not simply run code?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: forty (billed) minutes later, i have a combudder as what can make 'iOS 8' things happen to...shit i don't even know how it happens to other devices.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> be glad for the bell. << amen. i recently undertook to build a piece of 'golden cage' 'software' to ship over to a client. required 'upgrading' 'xcode', which required 'upgrading' 'os x', a thing i'd been avoiding on principle as the bell shows up every time i plug the shitbox in.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: etc etc etc etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one man's greed another man's short against the shartup market.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one man's incompetence another's malice.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: incompetence, malice, who can ever tell.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: JuliaTourianski_: talk to nanotube if you want it changed. say "please" - he's a nice guy.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mp_sails: just 'cause she claims it dun mean i buy it to any degree. larvae are larvae.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mp_sails> if i actually sailed myself i'd prolly sink the whole show << daw it ain't that hard
(trilema) ben_vulpes: JuliaTourianski_: why'd you keep the underscore?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mp_sails> mats_cd03, look into the crazed effects on the lower middle class, where people who could afford insurance before can't anymore, too. because htey're now not poor enough to be poor and not rich enough to be rich. << true story. i can't really afford the shit now.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats_cd03: nyc actulolly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "these hypothetical children are guests of our children, obviously. Our progeny will have refined palettes before they can hold a crayon."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "I bet yams would make it even oranger. God, imagine the foodie irony such children present: I will make a roasted vegetable bechamel cheese sauce to appease your desire for processed American food products"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: from the girl: "A cool thing I discovered is that squash makes the bechamel almost kraft colored, so if we ever have children who refuse to eat white mac n cheese, I can TRICK THEM"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wow you're crushing hard danielpbarron
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just want to bang on a drum all day?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: *ding ding ding*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i mean he caught a nobel peace price, but eventually overcame it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: all things considered, barack obama's really inspiring
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (and hey - what's Vexual doing on so early!?)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, the butternut squash and ricotta gnocchi are up and i'm caught up on logs so meditate on what else beyond time bitcoin might break on its wheel y'all.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so long as we're on the same page.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: which supports my point of block interval as fundamental unit of time.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: registrar doth not confer time magically, though
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you need precise time measures, watch an atom wobble. if you need "thing happened at time", measure it by block number.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: timestamp being an artifact of derps.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: still, rolling eyes. the only important thing is which block the event confirmed in.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that just means that the consensual time thing is poorly fucking engineered.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm rolling my eyes so hard at you my head hurts
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now, clearly, i'm not reading source right now.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whose clock?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: even "time" must bow to the blockchain.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: when it was found? broadcast? accepted by first node? achieved 51% acceptance?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: when did that block happen?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but adequate for pinning events to history.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not terribly useful for measuring, say, stamina in bed
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the point i'm making (poorly) is that the block is a nifty fundamental unit of time.
(trilema) ben_vulpes is frantically searching on digest algos
(trilema) ben_vulpes: digest of thing is related to time how?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or whomevers.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: depends on assbot notion of time.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ya plz, the log'd benefit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i read some shit on irc one time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: spec seems like formal term
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whose computer, what tz, and why even bother with time?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how does this date pinning work?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ask i mean to say.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i tell ya, if i and my counterparty agree on a block, what's the point?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now, a specific block in the chain - that means something.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is time, anyways...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i want to timestamp a thing, i just put the hash of the latest block in in it and then sign the fucker. counterparty ibid, presto, contract pinned to blockchain.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so dates are lame, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nah, i just have a lot of man beef.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i also suspect that skin oils make a nice little bottom layer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: you're missing a duration qualifier there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "get a house, settle down, give up on fun, otherwise you're a retarded child." << Dimsler
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a few times yeah jurov
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wet wipes for the crotch is about all one needs.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: if you're cleaning off the dust, you're doing it wrong
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i mean w.t.f.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one use case that made some modicum of sense was this one dood's fuckpalace, but i was always amused that he couldn't just get down in public at the burn
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "hi i'm subjecting myself to burning man but i want a temperature regulated environment but i can't afford an rv RENTAL"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i for one think the burning man use case is hilarious
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tents a shit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: see the paupery story for details on other "engineering" criteria missing from the conversation.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or a thing that i can knock together in the middle of nowhere for next to nothing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for a retarded markup
(trilema) ben_vulpes: made by a giant corporation in the business of fabbing horrible shitboard boxes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i really need a pressed shitboard housebox
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh yeah shit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this has heat xfer implications that you've not considered.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: double-shell implies an air insulation layer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also source?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jesus it's like engineering never happened around here.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: so double-shell it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean separation of panels? lifting of the thing?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: you can use plywood.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: load condition?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bolted, yeah.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: JuliaTourianski_: you've not bothered to read the link, i gather.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i mean - did we learn nothing from Buckminster Fuller?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: having been in them.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (linked previously)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hexayurts are incredibly poorly engineered.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blood
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mine, you missed the semis
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blod
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah, except for the terrifying usg war machine.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no meat, no veg. just foamed corn syrup with 'nutrients'.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: they're midwestern groceries. mostly corn syrup.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up JuliaTourianski_
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how many mb?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what's complaining about email hm?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s bravetheworld
(trilema) ben_vulpes: different handle back then
(trilema) ben_vulpes: brought her around once upon a time for a reason mircea_popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the master? the decryption key? the signing key?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well, "what's a key?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (julia_: that's a good place to start with creating your own keys and keeping them safe. this is just as important as keeping your btc privkey safe, if not more so.)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;google ultimate gpg key
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what sort of non serious capital oriented blahblah tits etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's only trolls in this channel!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lmao mircea_popescu stop copying me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;google first steps bitcoin-assets
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (and i have an altcoin to sell you too ;P)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but if you're stuck with a tool that holds you'll only ever want to en/decrypt emails, you've been sold a load.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: julia_: there's no cost to WoT entry beyond showing up with keys. if you can decrypt a string encrypted to your public key, you can enter the WoT.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: julia_: can you encrypt and decrypt arbitrary strings with that or just emails?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: julia_: since you're falling down the black hole, have you dabbled in GPG yet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: art meat is tough unless you art it?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i apologize sincerely for bringing this weep fest in here
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