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thestringpuller: the actual fuck
thestringpuller: can we get some hp pointed to atc?
thestringpuller: %nethash
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: some sort of consistent treatment of focus << 'ratpoison' has 'polite mode' and 'rude mode' (window can open, on current display, or cannot.) i've them set to single key toggle.
asciilifeform: switching caps lock and ctrl << 'Emacs actually comes with a builting Emacs Aptitude Test. Do you remap your keyboard or the Emacs keybindings before the chords and sequences it comes with by default have wreaked havoc with your hands? If you do not do anything to make Emacs more convenient for yourself, you may not have the prerequisite aptitude to use it productive.' (naggum, who else. http://www.xach.com/na
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: how os x << better question, -why' os x
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do we really need to rehash the best mobile compute hardware discussion?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: aha that was why.
ben_vulpes: i'm apparently even more of a pauper than yourself, and must maintain mobile work stations.
BingoBoingo: What? A pushcart isn't mobile enough?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i recently ended up in a similar situation (some work in a godforsaken bare walls site) and looked at laptops, finding nothing even vaguely worth owning
nubbins`: my 2008 macbook is still going strong
nubbins`: in fact, i *just* ordered 8gb of ram for it
nubbins`: should be a bit zippier than the current 2
ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6, plus tp, plus pt, plus soap in restrooms, plus ping-pong table
asciilifeform has 'mac air' circa '09, when absolutely must work in the jungles
asciilifeform envies ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: 575 buys... a doghouse here.
asciilifeform: for a small dog.
ben_vulpes: it's just a bay in a warehouse.
nubbins`: 575 buys you a room on the second floor of my house for one month
asciilifeform: what's a pt ?
ben_vulpes: paper towels
ben_vulpes: toilet paper, paper towels
asciilifeform assumed 'pay toilet'
ben_vulpes: there's a nice symmetry
ben_vulpes: oh lord if the slumlord were even so competent
nubbins`: toilet pluger, pay toilet
asciilifeform: or 'piss tank'
ben_vulpes: access to piss tank(s) comes with rent
ben_vulpes: slumlord must be browbeaten into providing and maintaining supplies though
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the machine shop ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i don't derp on atoms any more.
ben_vulpes: but it has 3-phase and concrete floors should any want to derp thusly.
ben_vulpes: natural gas as well, for the localized heating of crank-turners.
asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...)
ben_vulpes: in re-packing the toolbox today i had a moment of gloom over all the tools i've abandoned over the years.
ben_vulpes: once upon a time i built furnaces, tables, cabinetry, play-vehicles for the e-peen at burning man...
ben_vulpes: (chairs, wafer chucks, unattended production cells...)
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ben_vulpes: the actual tools i now own are hacksaws, japanese wood saws, various jigs, shitty quick-grip clamps, a stick welder (in the business-partner's garage), a cutoff saw (ibid), and a circular saw (...).
nubbins`: there's no infrastructure for natural gas here so they just burn it all off
ben_vulpes: various squares, tape measures, handheld sanders, an 18v battery drill and two batteries for same.
ben_vulpes: vice grips (3, various sizes), wrenches, socket set, bike manipulation tools
nubbins`: you're a stick welder ahead of my print shop so far
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: these are perfectly fine things every adult man i know, owns.
ben_vulpes: for lo, the paupery. we must maintain our own equipment.
asciilifeform: minus one or two
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm reduced to that with which i cannot bear to part.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes travels ?
ben_vulpes hovels
asciilifeform also hovels, packs the hovel anyway
ben_vulpes: it's fair packable.
ben_vulpes: but also entirely replaceable anywhere with a 1960s industrial toolchain.
ben_vulpes: oh and a grinder.
ben_vulpes: can't weld or work metal properly without the grinder.
ben_vulpes: * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << i came too close to sacrificing too many valuable human-parts derping on atoms on salary to go back to it.
ben_vulpes: then the rocket folks gave me a tour of the life i could expect derping on the sexiest atom stacks around
ben_vulpes shudders at the memory
asciilifeform: 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ?
ben_vulpes: "hey kid, want to maintain this family of bolts' load certifications through stack reengineering after stack reengineering? live in LA, sacrifice meaningful human contact, operate in remote proximity to large piles of cash and famous people working on other, cooler things?"
ben_vulpes: "oh hey if you want to work on the hot parts, you could also go live in the desert - miles from anything interesting! - how about it? we pay 65K pre-tax."
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> 'never hire man with fewer than seven or greater than nine fingers' shop ? << they were proud to offer the opportunity to sacrifice my parts on the shrine of their stock price
ben_vulpes: options: derp on shitty, non-lethal web stack solving problems for people with "real" businesses in exchange for some nominal amount of cash and the "freedom" to write my own schedule, or drive hours to get to the place with the interesting multiphysics problems and...flourescent-lit workspacen.
asciilifeform if condemned to work on 'web stack' would rather have the lethal one. suffer less.
ben_vulpes: you also labor under an actual education in what comprises a computer.
xmj: ...
xmj: working on 'web stack' is easy enough
xmj: charge more if it's boring.
asciilifeform: i also once earned bread by running wires in ceilings, walls.
asciilifeform: and may again.
xmj: how very Roark-y of you, asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: it's all just plumbing.
xmj: of course it is
ben_vulpes: i imagine that i feel about running cables and laying literal pipe the way you feel about returning responses to http requests.
xmj: that's what makes it so attractive
xmj: sysadmin is digital plumbing.
xmj: plumbing is... plumbing.
nubbins`: print shop, creative plumbing
asciilifeform: with the exception that plumbing of pipes to carry water, shit, - is honest work.
nubbins`: just because anyone with a set of arms can do it doesn't mean it's honest
ben_vulpes: what is dishonest work?
asciilifeform: honest in the sense that water, shit need to run.
asciilifeform: most computer systems have no business really existing.
nubbins`: but we need to do the thing faster
xmj: it's the old debate
ben_vulpes: so i've started bringing in the kind of work i started out seeking. internal applications for companies converting passenger 747s into cargo 747s.
xmj: and it's boring.
xmj fastforwards asciilifeform to the 21st century.
xmj: please accept that computer systems in this century have as much legitimacy as water systems in the last.
thestringpuller: xmj sounds like a file format
asciilifeform: xmj: familiar with edison's dc current electrical grid ?
nubbins`: ;;google xmj file extension
ben_vulpes: operate in the boonies, can't afford and don't want to hire programmers, and so bring me on to do...forms. for enquification of work. in exchange for which i get dollars, and the opportunity to suggest other ways in which to make their businesses run less awkwardly.
gribble: What does XMJ stand for? - Abbreviations.com: <http://www.abbreviations.com/XMJ>; Ubuntu Manpage: xmj, mj-server, mj-player - programs for playing ...: <http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/hardy/man6/xmj.6.html>; TOSHIBA 14N5-XM,XMJ,XE,XMS Service Manual free download ...: <http://www.eserviceinfo.com/downloadsm/38085/_TOSHIBA%2014N5-XM,XMJ,XE,XMS.html>
xmj: after WW-II was over russia stole german spigots, installing them in russia thinking water would come out of the wall...
asciilifeform: xmj: he would have power plant on every street.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes is this what they call "consulting"?
xmj: ..needless to say that failed, BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T HAVE ANY PLUMBING.
asciilifeform: xmj: this is roughly the situation of modern computing.
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: who knows what "they" call anything.
asciilifeform: stole german spigots, installing them << idiotic libel
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xmj: asciilifeform: with the difference that modern computing "just works"
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.15, Best ask: 406.12, Bid-ask spread: 0.97000, Last trade: 406.12, 24 hour volume: 13245.56397950, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 410.02, 24 hour vwap: 400.824099826
asciilifeform: modern computing "just works" << lol!
asciilifeform: trololol...
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074591 / 0.0007498 / 0.00075299 (691738 shares, 518.67 BTC), 7D: 0.00074591 / 0.00075192 / 0.00076502 (4165683 shares, 3,132.29 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.00075378 / 0.00086605 (15942598 shares, 12,017.25 BTC)
thestringpuller: modern video games!
xmj: ...
nubbins`: loose times, fast women!
xmj: ben_vulpes: why do you do FORMS for a client?
ben_vulpes: it's an abstraction for the sake of discussion, xmj.
thestringpuller: forms > spreadsheets
asciilifeform: tight times - slow women.
nubbins`: 5 cents cheaper than the theatre
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 405.62, Best ask: 406.54, Bid-ask spread: 0.92000, Last trade: 406.54, 24 hour volume: 13174.81062162, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 410.02, 24 hour vwap: 400.847799735
nubbins`: oh god i forgot i used to do shit with forms
nubbins`: ms infopath
nubbins`: oh god
thestringpuller: that's a thing?
ben_vulpes: microsoft, apple
thestringpuller: ;;google infopath
gribble: Microsoft InfoPath - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Microsoft_InfoPath>; Update on InfoPath and SharePoint Forms | Office Blogs: <http://blogs.office.com/2014/01/31/update-on-infopath-and-sharepoint-forms/>; Introduction to InfoPath Forms Services - InfoPath - Office - Microsoft: <http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/infopath-help/introduction-to- (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: apple's shit's all about "end user experience"
ben_vulpes: m$ all about preventing developers from thinking
ben_vulpes: i guess i'm into really elaborate masochism
nubbins`: nah man, you have to think plenty
nubbins`: because it's all a hot mess
thestringpuller: lol linux just kinda exists
nubbins`: between two major versions of sharepoint server, microsoft rewrote all the APIs and shuffled around all the names, so that what once was called an X is now called a Y, and what was once called a Y is now called a Z
thestringpuller: i wonder who thinks these are good ideas
nubbins`: but all the class names remained the same, so to create an instance of Y you'd call createX()
thestringpuller: and how these ideas are incepted and nutured
ben_vulpes: oh god stop
ben_vulpes: no stop stop stop
nubbins`: and the best part is that X and Y and Z were extremely common words like "Web" and "Site" but with new, very specific, obtuse definitions
nubbins`: applied as an onion skin over a convoluted permissions-based content management system
nubbins` vomits, weeps
ben_vulpes: noipe
ben_vulpes: i'm noping right the fuck out of this conversation.
nubbins`: i need a drink
ben_vulpes: bitcoin-assets is my refuge from the shitty horrible suicide-inducing world of web programming
ben_vulpes: i apologize sincerely for bringing this weep fest in here
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: don't feel too bad for me, i got out
nubbins`: oh and also ben_vulpes they just emailed me and said it doesn't work in ie7
nubbins`: LEL I KID
nubbins`: microsoft infopath: "let's make XSLT even shittier"
nubbins`: this "openbazaar beta 1.0" video is brutal
nubbins`: guy is literally just browsing through items, clicking on them, lamely reading description
nubbins`: "so i guess you could buy a pen if you wanted to..."
thestringpuller: not everyone is as creative as you nubbins`
nubbins`: he doesn't have anything to say!
thestringpuller: lighthouse looked promising in some regards
thestringpuller: all of it is pretty meh
TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbin` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
TheNewDeal: ;;rate nubbins` 2 sold me a pair of bitcoin silkscreen posters. packaging could have withstood ww3
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user nubbins` has changed from 1 to 2.
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thestringpuller: ;;gettrust nubbins` thestringpuller
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=nubbins%60&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012
thestringpuller: no level 1 from you yet nubbins` :P
nubbins`: don't get too offended, i'm pretty skimpy with my ratings
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nubbins`: ;;rate thestringpuller 1 patron of the arts
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user thestringpuller has been recorded.
thestringpuller: i hope to be art connessieur one day
thestringpuller: but art is tough
nubbins`: stew meat is tough, unless you stew it
nubbins`: art is the same
thestringpuller: that makes sense
thestringpuller: that and a lot of practice eh?
ben_vulpes: art meat is tough unless you art it?
nubbins`: sure, yeah
nubbins`: that's what i meant
decimation: asciilifeform: re: "emacs aptitude test" << yeah I'm realizing I need to remap everything to become more productive, like a young apprentice ought. It is good to learn the default keybindings in case one needs to use some strange terminal without your own .emacs though -- not a situation where one should expect to be productive
decimation: to the point, though - it's clear that only a crazy person or a fanatic would wear the 'hair shirt' of emacs defaults. why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion?
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BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
moldysnizz: squeeeeee
moldysnizz: hiya bingo
moldysnizz: Someday I'll dig out my computer with my chatquack credintals on it. For now, it's moldy.
moldysnizz: How've you been?
BingoBoingo: Not too bad
BingoBoingo: How's the homestead?
moldysnizz: Fix'n up an RV I bought a couple of months ago.
moldysnizz: About to get a solar panal set up on the roof. The charge controler came in the other day.
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> mircea_popescu: i'm always confused by your "copyright and IP lolol" attitude contrasted with the "these contracts are copyright MPEx 20**" lines in the MPEx contracts << there are some places ip makes sense.
mircea_popescu: the best example being, of course, your own dna.
BingoBoingo: Nice moldysnizz
moldysnizz: So, hopefuly someday soon I will be moving it onto my land.
moldysnizz: *excited*
mircea_popescu: * ben_vulpes pays 575 covering deskspace for 6 << not bad deal.
moldysnizz: I might have to put in a driveway first. :P
BingoBoingo: Well, worse things have been required of people by circumstances
mircea_popescu: * asciilifeform derps atoms in unheated wooden hovel with 0-phase (extension cord from house...) << mp lives in land of currently spring. forgets the rest of the world has autumns and shit
assbot: Guy on Motorcycle Looking Forward To Donating his Organs this Year - Medical Satire - GomerBlog
BingoBoingo: “You know I have my whole life ahead of me,” said 22-year-old Jasper. “Just in other people’s bodies.”
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: honest in the sense that water, shit need to run. << the spanish right would disagree.
mircea_popescu: all a matter of perspective.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: trololol... << he's not trolling, he's just new and clinging to it like it's his foreskin or something.
mircea_popescu: decimation: why lock yourself in a tiny box when you have the tools to build a mansion? << because you're a vampire and the casket with your home dirt feels cosiest ?
assbot: How To Discourage a Doctor | The Health Care Blog
BingoBoingo: "For example, make physicians increasingly dependent on complex systems outside their domain of expertise, such as information technology and coding and billing software. Ensure that such systems are very costly, so that solo practitioners and small groups, who naturally cannot afford them, must turn to the hospital. And augment their sense of incompetence by making such systems user-unfriendly and unreliable. Where possible, chan
BingoBoingo: ge vendors frequently."
mircea_popescu: the framing is kinda lulzy awkward.
mircea_popescu: apparently doctors can't write, either.
BingoBoingo: Of course they can't
mircea_popescu: anyway, this is like its sister, "how the hedge fund masquerading as a 'research' university can take control of the professor/researcher"
moldysnizz: wow. just wow
mircea_popescu: herpy-derp. as if it's avoidable. in a totalitarian regime the state takes control, of everything. until it all goes to shit in a monolithic piece.
mircea_popescu: what the hell else.
BingoBoingo: !up moldysnizz
moldysnizz: Thank you.
assbot: Re: Theory #51 (superior(?) programming languages) - Naggum cll archive
assbot: Re: OT Re: GNU CLISP 2.32 released - Naggum cll archive
mircea_popescu: "Just because someone says he suffers, does not mean he does, and even if he does, that does not mean it is anyone's business. Quite the contrary, a lot of really bad people successfully manipulate others by lying about how they suffer and exploit the natural tendency of better humans to feel compassion for sufferers."
mircea_popescu: nothing "better" about it, it's a bug like any other.
mircea_popescu: this is like saying that heartbleed affected the better ssh implementation.
mircea_popescu: no. it affected the openssh implementation.
mircea_popescu: derpy usians are on this empathy kick means jack.
assbot: Re: O'reilly subjugated to the Lisp juggenaut (well, almost ;-) - Naggum cll archive
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assbot: Parchment
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kakobrekla: it looks like posters arrive.
BingoBoingo: kakobrekla: Did you also get the nuclear resistant packaging other recipients are reporting?
kakobrekla: actually i decided mid-unwrapping that im going to leave it packaged as it came.
kakobrekla: maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it.
BingoBoingo: Solid plan
BingoBoingo: In a few millenia the archeaologist will appreciate that.
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danielpbarron: does anyone know who this idiot is? https://twitter.com/bravetheworld/status/514036093281660928 -- she claims to have been in here before, but refuses to tell me her gribble username
assbot: If you told me last year that I'd be running GIT and beta testing /openbazaar I'd think you were speaking in another language. /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I dun remember.
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cazalla: danielpbarron, that's julia tourianski
cazalla: seo marketer, anarchist, friend of jeff berwick and amir
danielpbarron: cazalla, know her gribble username?
cazalla: nfi but she has not been here in the past 12 months and she popped up 9 months ago
mats_cd03: rofl. 'seo marketer'.
cazalla: mats_cd03, that's what her linked in says and she runs hydralocalmarketing.com
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mats_cd03: i lol at the lack of self-realization that causes such branding
cazalla: someone is pulling her strings
mats_cd03: no, she's just dumb.
mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is.
cazalla: dunno, panda/penguin took me out
cazalla: but no, she might be dumb but she popped up almost a year ago with all these videos, from what i've seen and heard from her, she's a puppet for someone else
BingoBoingo: <mats_cd03> inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << What do you think /. is?
cazalla: you know when you come across someone that says things that you know are being said on behalf of someone else, that's the feeling i get from her
cazalla: she's done acting before, she's the actor in her videos, nfi who the producer/director is
dub: friend if amir
dub: so her utility ends at compost or some other biomass
nubbins`: kakobrekla:maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. <<< good idea, collectors love original packaging
assbot: Release btcd v0.9.0-beta conformal/btcd GitHub
kakobrekla: nubbins` imma have to open it as my mom wants one
nubbins`: for shame
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assbot: KTVA reporter quits on-air, reveals herself as owner of Alaska Cannabis Club - YouTube
nubbins`: hahahahaha.
assbot: VOCM.COM|Trial Begins Today in Botched Robbery Shooting | Article
nubbins`: "wear a suit, it'll make you look good"
mats_cd03: i discovered a while ago that visual basic 6 was used for a front end on a .mil dish that provided internet connectivity to personnel in the field
mats_cd03: p amusing.
nubbins`: i used to work at an insurance company that stored all their client passwords in plaintext
nubbins`: i guess they probably still do
kakobrekla: if only they base64 encoded it
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nubbins`: unhackabru
nubbins`: response when i brought it up: "we know"
kakobrekla: should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!"
assbot: Log In - The New York Times
nubbins`: kakobrekla 8)
nubbins`: (password?)
bounce: the password is to stick it in google
mircea_popescu: !up GNULinuxGuy
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: maybe put the whole roll on the wall if it comes to it. << ahahaha kako got tired of digging
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mircea_popescu: danielpbarron: does anyone know who this idiot is? << you know, the proof of idiocy is circular reasoning, not disagreement.
mircea_popescu: lol bitcoinbelle
mircea_popescu: wtf is with all these people and their identity issues, i can scarcely imagine one's life under this convention. age 0 to 1 week: MaternityInfant ; 1 week to 1 year : DiapersDude ; Age 1 to 3 years : MrChewsalot ; 3 to 7 : FallingoverPerson ; 7 to 10 SillyPuttyPutting ; 10 to 13 OneHairYo
mircea_popescu: can't just be Susan or Alex throughout.
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mircea_popescu: i knew a chick that had named her cat Dog, but at least that was a) funny and b) not the cat's doing. too much pseudo-irony for lyfe.
nubbins`: buddy of mine has a dog named water
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mircea_popescu: on consideration, it's actually possible https://pbs.twimg.com/profile_images/458738254284468224/5L51itmv_400x400.jpeg doesn't realise her self-tagging as "belle" is at best ironic.
mircea_popescu: on the plus side, til there exists a dude named xavier zappa. now that's not a bad name.
mircea_popescu: "I think it funny #mainstreammedia implements paywalls on their websites. They think their gov't content worthy." lmao.
mircea_popescu: that'sd a good point
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 92 @ 0.14536972 = 13.374 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: oh i totally want to pay something to read how nyt has rewritten the official usg talking points this week.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron oh, the rub is this is some twerp that wanted to have invented "bitcoin independence" except hadn't done their trilema reading and was nonplussed to find a) it's old and b) the people who did it aren't impressed with kids sitting on their ass "changing thr world" through verbiage.
chetty: maybe dog walk hour catches on in usa and nyt can boohoo
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mircea_popescu: chetty i don't think it can because well, that'd require meeting people.
assbot: Ode to Julia – Bitcoin Magazine
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell jborkl yeah not a bad plane for the 200k it costs. prolly the best bird that money can buy.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
thestringpuller: the writer looks hot
mircea_popescu: she's at that age when merely washing and not eating crap is good enough.
thestringpuller: what is that age range
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 89 @ 0.01114943 = 0.9923 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 0.80499160 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 70 satoshi per share
nubbins`: thestringpuller depends on the person. for me, birth-40
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller bout same that the woman can effectualy become a slave, 16 to 26 or w/e. definitely not past 30, metabolism goes to shit.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i'd like to imagine you don't think 0 yos are hot.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.27252613 BTC to 15`097 shares, 8429 satoshi per share
nubbins`: course not, you're extrapolating
nubbins`: i'm only concerned with me
mircea_popescu: i mean i know canucks are weirdos and dogs and everything, but srsly...
nubbins`: fun fact, nurse in the delivery room was like "shit, nubs" and immediately engaged me in intercourse
mircea_popescu: conversational intercourse ?
nubbins`: sexual. it was the third woman i'd slept with.
mircea_popescu: you slept ?!
mircea_popescu: what, like all through it ?!
nubbins`: euphemism!
mircea_popescu: welcome to technicality club, bitch.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18507 @ 0.00074664 = 13.8181 BTC [-]
nubbins`: no sleep til valhalla
thestringpuller: wait your wife had a baby
thestringpuller: and you had sex with the nurse that helped deliver?
nubbins`: wait what?
nubbins`: this is my birth we're discussing
nubbins`: jesus, somebody get me a whiteboard marker
thestringpuller: 8====> O = baby
thestringpuller: or something?
thestringpuller: penis + girl hole = intercourse?
thestringpuller: yes yes?
jurov: nubbins` then maybe you ought to show the world more than your exquisite torso?
jurov: *to the world
mircea_popescu: he means he was born into one of those conservative environments where they use wet nurses and what the wet nurses do to pacify the young lord that cries/won't sleep is suck his cocklet.
jurov: but he also says it persists to this day ?
mircea_popescu: well... canada
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42944 @ 0.00075063 = 32.2351 BTC [+] {5}
nubbins`: the cold preserves things
nubbins`: where do you think this name came from?
jurov: wetnurse4lyfe
jurov: btw, it's covered by insurance, too?
jurov: teh welfare!!!1
mircea_popescu: it occurs to me this conversation is grossly inappropriate for a serious, professional, tech minded channel
mircea_popescu: please take it to #bitcoin-dev
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17108 @ 0.00075206 = 12.8662 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the best part of eating cereal is pouring milk over the construction
jurov: as in, directly from udder?
jurov: er.. tit
mircea_popescu: justr, the moistening of previously dry matter, that could have survived indefinitely dry.
mircea_popescu: it's very sexual.
Duffer1: how very tantric
nubbins`: do they have honey shreddies in argentina?
mircea_popescu: what's them ?
mircea_popescu: i hate sweets with breakfast.
assbot: Shreddies - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: essentially shredded wheat w/ honey baked in
nubbins`: y'see, when people talk about "commonwealth countries", this is the common wealth to which they refer
nubbins`: shreddies, cadbury chocolate, superfluous Us in words, etc
mircea_popescu: and by superfluous you mean ubiquitous ?
nubbins`: both, i suppose
nubbins`: technicality cafe: would you like a seat by the window?
nubbins`: "sure, but only when you put the accent over the e"
mircea_popescu: "do you mean the window made the seat or it allowed the seat ? by as in by picasso or as in by god ?"
nubbins`: SEAT... by Window
mircea_popescu: so how long should a li-ion battery hold its charge without discarching or recharging ? a month ? a year ?
thestringpuller: sometimes it feels like they can go a year
thestringpuller: definitely a month
nubbins`: month sounds safe
nubbins`: longer than that is probably suspect
mircea_popescu: so basically you can't put a tesla in storage.
mircea_popescu: this is a very interesting sidepoint to the whole electric car thing. a car YOU MUST FIDDLE WITH
thestringpuller: you can't put a real car in storage
thestringpuller: with gas
mircea_popescu: much like the smartphone revolution is to a large degree, for the anthropologist at least, "the phone you can't forget about"
thestringpuller: if you keep gas in the tank it ruins the fuel system
thestringpuller: be it carbeurated or fuel injection
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller so what do i do, take a laptop battery to the tesla, start it enough to drive to charging station ?
thestringpuller: you'd have to do the same thing for if you put a combustion vehicle in long term storage
thestringpuller: it's always recommended you remove the fuel from the gas tank before putting into storage
thestringpuller: the only other option is to put fuel preservatives
thestringpuller: also depending on climate control the starter system could go dead in long term storage of a car
thestringpuller: so you may need to tow the vehicle to a shop to do "wake up from comatose" work on it
thestringpuller: i imagine with a tesla you just bring a single battery with you and drive to chargin station
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller i had no idea of this theory.
assbot: Leaving a car unused | AA
mircea_popescu: Fuel matters Petrol will stay fresh in a sealed container for about a year
assbot: Storing Your Vehicle for Long Periods of Time - How To Guides at DMV.org: The DMV Made Simple
thestringpuller: yup these are decent guides
mircea_popescu: their only advice is to fill the tank, which is what i knew on the topic too
mircea_popescu: yes gasoline fractionally evaporates, but only in open atmosphere
thestringpuller: damn i forgot all about oil congealing
mircea_popescu: otherwise in a closed tank its own vapor pressure prevents it
thestringpuller: if you have synthetic oil you may be good up to 5 years
thestringpuller: but after long term storage with oil just sitting you would also want to do an immediate oil change
mircea_popescu: yes, sure, you'll drive it for a tune-up.
mircea_popescu: but the key there is, drive it.
thestringpuller: with carburated vehicles if fuel stays in the carbs is clogs
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thestringpuller: you may need starter fluid
mircea_popescu: so you mean like, back i nthe 70s ?!
thestringpuller: yes back in the 70's
mircea_popescu: nubbins` most unlikely to backfire plan of the year.
thestringpuller: but I see your point mr. popescu
thestringpuller: I guess we'll just have to wait an see with the long term storage of tesla's and electric vehicles in general
thestringpuller: maybe someone invents a battery that can hold a charge for a lifetime and it's all moot
mircea_popescu: more likely, someone invents tesla charger that works
mircea_popescu: i mean, tesla as in nikolai. the distance thing
nubbins`: yes, certainly a third breast will help her escape unwanted attentions
jurov: there are already solar trickle chargers (obv. they work only outside)
thestringpuller: hmm wireless charging has yet to become a thing even though the tech has existed a century
mircea_popescu: jurov storing a car outside is unlikely to be invented soon
thestringpuller: that would be ideal though
mircea_popescu: nubbins` that shit's giving me eyes 3d sensations.
thestringpuller: (wirelessly charging the vehicle)
mircea_popescu: like i gotta defocus or something
mircea_popescu: "Tridevil has aspirations to be a reality star, and hopes to get a show on MTV." woman does not want to date, because she wants to be on mtv.
mircea_popescu: conceivably she also does not want to eat because she prefers to graze and so on.
mircea_popescu: jurov those may be street art.
jurov: dunno, un teh us, actual cars are cheaper
nubbins`: mp watch the video on the bottom of the article
nubbins`: brutal
mircea_popescu: soo are we inviting her over for tits and biscuits ?
nubbins`: seems insufferable, you go ahead
mircea_popescu: lol. what's with all the youtube chicks, "hey guise, there is something i want to talk about today"
mircea_popescu: could just go hg-tisi wttat!
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mircea_popescu: nubbins` honestly, she just sounds desperately in need of guidance.
nubbins`: ya think?
mircea_popescu: what gave it away, right /
mircea_popescu: lol "i have all these 18-28 friends and i don't know anyone who is successful"
nubbins`: best part is when she says she's been working since age 15 and now owns a house, car, and motorcycle
mircea_popescu: o, that being successful ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, why so tense.
nubbins`: "i worked from ages 15-20 and now own a house"
thestringpuller: !conference
thestringpuller: what's the command!
assbot: MIT Students Battle State's Demand for Their Bitcoin Miner's Source Code | WIRED
nubbins`: thestringpuller: $
thestringpuller: $conference
empyex: thestringpuller: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.29662096 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
jurov: placing a js miner = fraud...
nubbins`: jurov iirc it was voluntary?
mircea_popescu: jurov wait someone wrote an "aggressive" supoena for a github repo ?
mircea_popescu: no tcp/ip where they live or what
jurov: nubbins` dunno "it was never actually functional"
jurov: whole article is a mess
mircea_popescu: wired baby you're such a highway hooker.
mircea_popescu: kay so going for a meeting. if anyone asks tell 'em i'ma be back in about an hour. laters!
thestringpuller: where di mircea_popescu go?
thestringpuller: $depth mpoe
empyex: thestringpuller: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=202 Or use a valid MPSIC!
thestringpuller: $depth s.mpoe
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Bids: 18667 @ 0.00074572 21900 @ 0.00074529 18714 @ 0.00074498 23400 @ 0.00074485
empyex: thestringpuller: [S.MPOE] Asks: 11592 @ 0.00074644 27792 @ 0.00075257 21815 @ 0.00075384 7997 @ 0.00075406
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00074572 = 10.0672 BTC [-]
assbot: Church of Robotron Calagator: Portland's Tech Calendar
mod6: thestringpuller: thx
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: mailman came :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.0007455 = 7.6414 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 400.07, Best ask: 402.83, Bid-ask spread: 2.76000, Last trade: 402.84, 24 hour volume: 12135.18562964, 24 hour low: 390.0, 24 hour high: 409.38, 24 hour vwap: 400.68935094
thestringpuller: !ticker m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00074529 / 0.00074994 / 0.00075406 (1007833 shares, 755.82 BTC), 7D: 0.00074529 / 0.00075053 / 0.00076085 (4250760 shares, 3,190.36 BTC), 30D: 0.00059659 / 0.0007551 / 0.00086605 (16406165 shares, 12,388.44 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00074644 = 0.5972 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !up julia_
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10792 @ 0.00074644 = 8.0556 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: julia_ you the chick with the guns ?
julia_: yes
julia_: you asked for me.
mircea_popescu: soo, what's this business about trolls,
mircea_popescu: and what's this business about hacked exchanges ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5908 @ 0.0007504 = 4.4334 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: as to http://bravetheworld.com/ if you try submitting a comment form it dies, check it out for yourself.
assbot: CHAOS BEGETS FREEDOM | Brave The World | bravetheworld.com
julia_: my site has been completely fucked up recently
julia_: waiting to hear by from my host.
mircea_popescu: looks like someone in the process of learning php has been editing the wp-comments files.
julia_: so should be resolved soon. feel free to post some hate next week
mircea_popescu: this is part of what im trying to figure out. why is it you think i should hate you again ?
thestringpuller: how did mircea_popescu ask for you?
mircea_popescu: did we talk before or something ?
julia_: looks like someone is trying to "fork" reality with assumptions ;)
mircea_popescu: yes, well, i don't hate people for that.
julia_: he was kind enough to email me so advice
julia_: some*
julia_: and I was kind enough to email him some advice :)
mircea_popescu: julia_ is this some kind of you're young and powerless and people just keep kicking you around so you figure everyone's gonna at the very least try or what.
julia_: and maybe you guys would have more fun trolling me to my face instead of drawing conclusions from my linkedin account
mircea_popescu: but when! and who! did that ?
mircea_popescu: !s julia linkedin
julia_: haha
mircea_popescu: !up BlueMeanie4
julia_: +danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: julia_ that it ? mkay. so outside of being an anarchist hottie, what is it you do ? and what is it you want to do ?
BlueMeanie4: hello from Murica
julia_: well this is underwhelming - disappointment sets in
mircea_popescu: BlueMeanie4 they let you in ?!
julia_: are you being sincere +mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: julia_ yes.
mircea_popescu: the thing with me is that im sincere.
bounce: ah, you're sure you're not looking for abuse, down the hall?
mircea_popescu: julia_ are you old enough to grok that reference incidentally ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6863 @ 0.00074485 = 5.1119 BTC [-]
julia_: I'm an anti-state propagandist maybe. I want to do what I can to move towards something different. I don't know what I CAN do yet, except learn through experimentation
mircea_popescu: oh i see where you were discussed.
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2014 13:51:44; cazalla: seo marketer, anarchist, friend of jeff berwick and amir
julia_: I've only done into the btc black hole 4 months ago, but I don;t think I'll be coming out
julia_: I haven't done seo for years btw...
mircea_popescu: mkay, so what you want to do is get in the wot for one, and come up with something practical to do for the other.
julia_: And I find it odd that people think I'm a puppet. My content would be a lot better if I was...I hope
mircea_popescu: julia_ i wouldn't be too worried about it, half the kids on the internet claimed to be doing seo at some point in their life. it's like being cowboy for the 70s.
julia_: do I want to get in on wot, ..I haven't decided.
mircea_popescu: there's something to decide ?
julia_: hahahah i hated doing it. but I got my fam business ranked very well so w/e
chetty: nothing ventured julia_ is certainly nothing gained
bounce: you probably should anyway. with a bitcoin address if you're not into the gpg key waving thing
mircea_popescu: chetty more like, if she does next time someone makes a julia_ and starts talking here we can tell if it's her or not
julia_: ye +chetty indeed
chetty: there you go, being all practical and all
julia_: ye I get it i know
bounce: might as well ask an ircop (found in #freenode) to have nickserv release julia.
julia_: trust. i just dont see myself coming back often enough to bother
mircea_popescu: dude i can scarcely imagine the kingdom of flies this socialmedia internet must be if the first notion in the head of anyone is that they're going to be hated or something.
bounce: for verily, nickserv says: Registered : Sep 05 10:19:56 2012, Last seen : Sep 05 12:14:19 2012
mircea_popescu: julia_ you know this is where bitcoin happens. you're basically saying you'll be part of the extra-new-york counterculture or something
julia_: im just curious what you wanted to achieve with that email mircea
mircea_popescu: i wanted to see if you can do something meaningful or not ready yet.
julia_: is this where bitcoin happens? hmm what a claim. I see it happening elsewhere
mircea_popescu: so you think.
mircea_popescu: granted, an easy misapprehension to form.
julia_: I want to see if I can do something meaningful too. and it's better to do things when you're not ready. or else things will be stale
julia_: ""I believe in doing things too soon. In striking before the iron is hot, in leaping before one has looked, in loving before one has been introduced. Nearly all the great and exciting things in life have been done by men who did them too soon. It was far, far too soon for Columbus to set out on his crazy trip to the New World. The ether was not ready for Beethoven when he began a symphony on a dominant seventh. Shelley,
julia_: ^ much feels. :D
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << trilema ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes.
mircea_popescu: julia_ ok, so what is it you want to do ?
julia_: +cazalla nothing to say to me?
mircea_popescu: (course, shelley talks of men, not necessarily women, but hey, let's gloss)
mircea_popescu: he's prolly still asleep. aussie.
julia_: well if it's too soon, how can I know? :P I think ideas have to just manifest and find a vehicle. I'd like to be a vehicle for something that can affect change. maybe that will never happen...but process is fun. I've learned a lot...more to come I'm sure. I'm very raw still. so don't assume I think much of myself because I don't in fact that's the only thing that gets to me.
mircea_popescu: what, just in general, change ?
julia_: no- he was saying I was a puppet earlier :P
julia_: yes that's vague, change...
julia_: let me see here...how to phrase it
chetty: well being raw makes it easy for someone with more experience to pull the strings .. worht keepíng an eye out
mircea_popescu: julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?
julia_: I think there's generational propaganda, different in every region. but if a minority of people escape the thinking they've been granted by states and the framework of their time, then they can build alternative systems.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: should be "how else are we gonna tell them their password when they forget it?!" << totally.
julia_: +chetty oh now you're looking out for me? im autonomous. if I have any power, it's in that fact.
bounce: "thinking granted by the state"? o_O?
mircea_popescu: she paradoxically has a point there. a lot of low level / common man thinking happens as a linguistic and paralinguistic construct
julia_: ye, like everything else. people are born into systems thinking they owe those systems something, and they can;t fathom living a different way
mircea_popescu: as state controls kid education to a large degree...
chetty: wow, its a general statemant julia_ , I keep my eyes open too, lot of would be puppet masters out there
mircea_popescu: chetty really ?! i'd have thought there's not even a dozen that can be bothered.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8300 @ 0.00074485 = 6.1823 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: julia_: since you're falling down the black hole, have you dabbled in GPG yet?
chetty: well I didnt say good ones, mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i'll bet you she dunno know what it is.
ben_vulpes: duknow
mircea_popescu: maybe pete should change his name again. pete duknow
mircea_popescu: !up julia_
bounce: yeah hm. AFAIK often enough not wilful propaganda. though there's states with lots of that too, of course.
mircea_popescu: what's willful even mean at that level.
bounce: more like prevailing strains of thought, like how n/w yurp education systems are typically filled with left-leaning do-gooders and the material reflects that
julia_: i use mailvelope
mircea_popescu: and how's this not wilful ?
julia_: and bitmessage
julia_: is that what u mean? encryption
mircea_popescu: julia_ why ?
thestringpuller: i thought bitmessage was dead...
ben_vulpes: julia_: can you encrypt and decrypt arbitrary strings with that or just emails?
bounce: lack of a central steering committee with clear agenda
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller no because people are born in systems etc.
julia_: mailvelope is strictly a gmail addon i believe
mircea_popescu: julia_ look, they're both gimmicks. gpg is the actual core of bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: conceptually.
bounce: so it more or less arises from prevailing opinions floating around without concious decision to put it in. steering by unthinking.
ben_vulpes: julia_: there's no cost to WoT entry beyond showing up with keys. if you can decrypt a string encrypted to your public key, you can enter the WoT.
mircea_popescu: bounce yeah well, the unintrospected can still be wilful.
bounce: (perhaps the inverse of wilful un-thinking expected from the polit crowd in 1984)
julia_: I'm learning still. if you told me I'd be beta testing open bazaar a few months ago I'd just go wide eyed
ben_vulpes: but if you're stuck with a tool that holds you'll only ever want to en/decrypt emails, you've been sold a load.
ben_vulpes: (and i have an altcoin to sell you too ;P)
mircea_popescu: bridgecoin!
julia_: aight link me i'll go head and do it.
mircea_popescu: uhh the fuck was it.
mircea_popescu: ;;google first steps bitcoin assets
gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>; ATO Provides First Guidance Note on Bitcoin - DigitalBTC: <http://www.digitalbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/ATO-Provides-First-Guidance-Note- (1 more message)
ben_vulpes: ;;google first steps bitcoin-assets
gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>; ATO Provides First Guidance Note on Bitcoin - DigitalBTC: <http://www.digitalbtc.com/wp-content/uploads/sites/2/2014/03/ATO-Provides-First-Guidance-Note-on- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: USELESS GOOGLE
ben_vulpes: dang.
bounce: what was it again, there's a few people, among them an activist married couple from texas, that have lots of undue influence in the content of schoolbooks in large parts of the us, because they influence the texas schoolboard with their personal agenda, then that cascades through the system by sheer force of purchase volume
assbot: start [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
julia_: nothing is that difficult. it's only a matter of bothering i find.
bounce: that'd be wilful.
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
mircea_popescu: lmao ben_vulpes stop copying me
ben_vulpes: lmao mircea_popescu stop copying me
mircea_popescu: this is wilful infringement of chatlines intellectual propertah
assbot: Cartman Respect My Authoritah - South Park - YouTube
ben_vulpes: there's only trolls in this channel!
ben_vulpes: what sort of non serious capital oriented blahblah tits etc
bounce: oh, I just copyrighted and trademarked wilful, so now you both owe me fiddy gazzillion dollahs
julia_: ty
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu sounds like cartman sometimes.
mircea_popescu: julia_ lemme explain the difference. all usable encryption is based on asymetric keys. this is a keyword you can look up.
mircea_popescu: gpg gives the end user control of the almighty keys
mircea_popescu: the bullshit nsa-sponsored solutions, whatever they may be called, do not.
ben_vulpes: ;;google ultimate gpg key
gribble: Creating the perfect GPG keypair - Alex Cabal: <https://alexcabal.com/creating-the-perfect-gpg-keypair/>; edit-key - GnuPG: <https://www.gnupg.org/gph/en/manual/r899.html>; gpg --batch --yes --edit-key trust - GnuPG and GNUTLS Mailing List ...: <http://lists.gnupg.org/pipermail/gnupg-users/2010-July/039213.html>
mircea_popescu: this difference is as essential as the difference between linux and running proprietary ms code you can't modify or even read.
ben_vulpes: (julia_: that's a good place to start with creating your own keys and keeping them safe. this is just as important as keeping your btc privkey safe, if not more so.)
julia_: i have a PGP key, that's different ye?
bounce: neh. details.
ben_vulpes: well, "what's a key?"
ben_vulpes: the master? the decryption key? the signing key?
mircea_popescu: as long as you use gpg, you're an individual, and can be interacted with as such. as long as you use anything else, including nothing at all, you're not, and whatever you may like to think or claim, can never actually be interacted with as an individual, except if you live in a 1900s reenaction camp where the intenret doesn't exist.
mircea_popescu: julia_ not at all.
bounce: both should be openpgp format. there might be some differences in algorithms supported, but both should work together well enough.
mircea_popescu: exactly the same thing. pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof.
julia_: so my pgp sig is what you're talking about?
julia_: ok then I'm aware.
mircea_popescu: smart girl huh.
ben_vulpes: brought her around once upon a time for a reason mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i magically have no recollection of this ?!
ben_vulpes: different handle back then
mircea_popescu: what was it ?
ben_vulpes: julia_: ?
julia_: ive had that for a while, i didn;t know this part "pgp is the standard. gpg is the gnu implementation thereof." thanks
mircea_popescu: julia_ so what's your key fingerprint ?
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julia_: 5B51 A372 0F49 6281 ACA2 287E 1057 2E34 9297 B40F
mircea_popescu: i see you hav the public key published, but something like http://trilema.com/contact-pgp/ is better practice
assbot: Contact : PGP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
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julia_: am I still a puppet? or maybe I'm actually interested in this stuff. hmmmm
mircea_popescu: so now you do ;;eregister [username] [pgp key LONG ID]
ben_vulpes: !s bravetheworld
mircea_popescu: oh anjie's friend ?
julia_: ah right so i did register ages ago?
mircea_popescu: julia_ how is miss castillo these days ?
bounce: ;;gpg info bravetheworld
gribble: No such user registered.
julia_: mk right - i remember now
bounce: doesn't have a search-by-keyid thingy, does it?
mircea_popescu: bounce yes it does.
julia_: ok where am i typing these commands? http://technerd.net/nickserv.html
assbot: NickServ allows you to
mircea_popescu: julia_ right in here.
mircea_popescu: julia_ seems you never did, and you're prolly well advised to register something like juliat or JuliaTourianski or w/e.
bounce: you prefix them with /msg nickserv
julia_: why do u advise that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22642 @ 0.00074544 = 16.8783 BTC [+]
bounce: (or you do /query nickserv then take it from there)
mircea_popescu: because it'll save you the chagrin of working for a year as bitcoinpete only to change it later to pete d
julia_: ok so if i follow these instructions in the order it should be smooth http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
mircea_popescu: and if it isn't, feel free to post your hate here.
mircea_popescu: !up JuliaTourianski_
JuliaTourianski_: says my email is not valid
ben_vulpes: what's complaining about email hm?
mats_cd03: 14:14:38 <+mircea_popescu> mats_cd03: inquiring minds want to know - is it even possible to do SEO these days? without blackhat methods, that is. << trilema ranks for pretty much any noun i deign to use, so yes.
mircea_popescu: !up olil3olli3
mats_cd03: and here i thought SEO was this thing aside from creating content
mats_cd03: guess not.
mircea_popescu: it is, but it's things like not putting a ton of meaningless markup and generally it's "not doing idiotic shit"
mircea_popescu: for most sane individuals most seo should be directly obvious
mircea_popescu: which makes it the direct equivalent of dating advice. something people living in the us need.
JuliaTourianski_: regarding seo, after hummingbird the emphasis on content and new content in particular was raised. sm as well
mircea_popescu: what's humingbird
JuliaTourianski_: i mostly did creative local seo, on page keywords and content rather than paying for off page seo
JuliaTourianski_: google releases updates in the way they rank websites
JuliaTourianski_: hummingbird was one that really hurt off page seo (like paying for links etc) because it made new content vital
mircea_popescu: when was this ?
JuliaTourianski_: ages ago
JuliaTourianski_: let me think...like last winter
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mircea_popescu: ahahaha waht are you, 19 ?! last winter was ages ago ?
JuliaTourianski_: i haven;t done any significant seo since then so I don;t follow it now, im sure there have been more updates since
JuliaTourianski_: anyways- im trying to register and says email is invalid
mircea_popescu: who says ? nickserv ?
JuliaTourianski_: ye
JuliaTourianski_: -NickServ- [juliatourianski@gmail.com] is not a valid email address.
mircea_popescu: those are metasyntactic characters.
kakobrekla: use <> instead
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla stop trolling the girl omg!
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ use nothing. go nude for it!
kakobrekla: sexist.
mircea_popescu: i am not sexist, i am straight.
kakobrekla: fuckin feminist mp.
mircea_popescu: the difference is negligible.
JuliaTourianski_: you guys know I have a anti-feminist series
mircea_popescu: is it any good ?
bounce: such antiism
mircea_popescu: antitism
mircea_popescu: anyway, i guess i am probably the most feminist here.
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JuliaTourianski_: it's my biggest video
ben_vulpes: how many mb?
ben_vulpes: !up JuliaTourianski_
JuliaTourianski_: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E-LCohouNDc my wokr b4 bitcoin :P ahahah much embarrassment but ppl love the drama
assbot: Declare War on Feminism: The Body, Sex & Rape - YouTube
mircea_popescu: got the script anywhere?
JuliaTourianski_: ye somewhere
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Duffer1: nubs? :P
mircea_popescu: so if silver actually falls under 15 it means the nominal value of the us pound would be like 240 dollars or so ?
mircea_popescu: uk pound*
mircea_popescu: not bad, 24`000% inflation in a century.
The20YearIRCloud: i'm curious how low silver can go
mircea_popescu: historically it ended up pretty low.
The20YearIRCloud: I'd love to buy some more ASEs
Duffer1: ase?
mircea_popescu: definitely more practical "survival" coinage than the golden stuff.
mircea_popescu: course a bitch to handle, but hey.
JuliaTourianski_: ;;eregister JuliaTourianski_ 10572E349297B40F
The20YearIRCloud: Eh, a roll of silver dollars is pretty portable and decently valuable
gribble: Request successful for user JuliaTourianski_, hostmask JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/10572E349297B40F
The20YearIRCloud: enough now adays for two cases of ammo
ben_vulpes: *drumroll*
The20YearIRCloud: or a month's worth of groceries
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mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud i dunno where you find your women, but a coupla hundred bucks doesn't buy a month's worth of groceries.
The20YearIRCloud: Does for us
The20YearIRCloud: we spend $100ish a week
ben_vulpes: they're midwestern groceries. mostly corn syrup.
mircea_popescu: $100 a week ?!
The20YearIRCloud: yes, all processed foods, HFCS and white bread
mircea_popescu: dude i gotta reevaluate oh.
Duffer1: that's about my food bill per week also
ben_vulpes: no meat, no veg. just foamed corn syrup with 'nutrients'.
The20YearIRCloud: My family of 4
mircea_popescu: yeah well. i think stuff is cheap here, but i go through anchoves, artichokes, fresh strawberries etc.
The20YearIRCloud: around here we buy and crush up a few multivitamins + flinstones chewables, and make into the HFCS syrup
ben_vulpes: hee hee
mircea_popescu: comes to about 1-2k a month, for a "family" of four.
The20YearIRCloud: By anchovies you mean caviar?
mircea_popescu: no, i mean anchovies.
mircea_popescu: it's this small fish.
The20YearIRCloud: they're pretty darn cheap here
The20YearIRCloud: maybe $4-$5/lb
mircea_popescu: in ohio ?!
The20YearIRCloud: artichokes are pretty cheap as well
mircea_popescu: ohio is landlocked what are you talking about 5 bucks a lb
lobbes: not to mention property values are stupidly cheap in oh
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The20YearIRCloud: Fish markets in columbus, they have fresh fish shipped in via air or same-day freight
The20YearIRCloud: We're less than a day away from the atlantic ocean, only 2 from the pacific
mircea_popescu: italian imports are about 10 bucks for 3 ounces./
The20YearIRCloud: I can go to columbus and get lobster/crab that was caught less than 36hrs prior to arriving here
mircea_popescu: less than 36 hours ?
The20YearIRCloud: About there
bounce: the wonders of cheap fuel
The20YearIRCloud: <12hrs from boat to truck, truck drive from say maine or somewhere is less than 12hrs here to Ohio
thestringpuller: Ohio isn't landlocked
mircea_popescu: i had good experiences with just caught lobster in boston.
The20YearIRCloud: We have lake erie
thestringpuller: Cleveland is a lack city.
lobbes: ohio has 'The North Coast'
The20YearIRCloud: so all the walleye and perch you could ever hope for!
mircea_popescu: that's something. perch is pretty good.
The20YearIRCloud: It's about 2hrs from me, rent a boat and get all the perch you want for a $25 yearly permit
The20YearIRCloud: My brother-in-law was there in August, spent about 2 hours and caught the limit. He and his friends had 150kg of fish within 3 hours
mircea_popescu: i heard the us fish and wildlife's been spending a lot to repopulate inland waters.
The20YearIRCloud: Lake erie is fantastic, all the great lakes are. What's in trouble are coastal waters as the government has a pretty stupid deal to 'help' fishermen on the coats
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud the moral of the story being something like, "it's the land of the thrifty" down there huh ?
The20YearIRCloud: They all run tax scams - Fish, sell fish tax free, claim no money on taxes and take government bailouts when all possible
The20YearIRCloud: So, by the government's estimates, all fishermen are poor, so they should be free to do whatever they want, and laws are set up to prevent inland fisheries from producing farm-able fish
The20YearIRCloud: Like with that BP oil spill, there were hundreds, maybe thousands of fishermen that were all cash businesses who claimed only $50k on taxes, but in fact were doing $500k-$1m/year just themselves with a boat, and BP only re-embursed them based on what they claimed on taxes
mircea_popescu: o so THAT's why so pissed off huh
The20YearIRCloud: I think Obama ended up saying they could go up to 3x of claimed taxes, maybe more. But what happened in the end many went under because they had been cheating taxes for 20+ years and it finally caught up with them.
The20YearIRCloud: Those that were honest, or had enough reserve capital to buy more boats and keep themselves through hard times (Katrina & the oil spill) are now doing fantastic
mircea_popescu: this us you speak of sounds more and more argentinian by the minute.
bounce: rejoice while there's still fish. apparently the aswan dam is doing its part in depopulating the mediteranean
thestringpuller: bounce is so pessimistic
ben_vulpes: yeah, except for the terrifying usg war machine.
mircea_popescu: bounce that dam was there for 50 years.
bounce: been busy for 50 years too
mircea_popescu: hardly, tbh.
The20YearIRCloud: There's tons of that, people don't understand how big cash business is in the US
mircea_popescu: just, 50 years ago the current interest to make egypt poor didn't quite exist.
The20YearIRCloud: i'd venture to say that 1/4th of all money paid in the US is via a non-taxable, cash event
JuliaTourianski_: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:13b5523f61f36a8137e4701bf2c86fcee94b6a2b5b134299d470cd26
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_ with key 10572E349297B40F
The20YearIRCloud: Are your anchovies imported fresh/live mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud if that's true, which it could be depending how you define "economy", then the country is a lot more stable than it looks
mircea_popescu: even if its government isn't.
RagnarDanneskjol: I don't think there's that much paper cash in circulation
JuliaTourianski_: look. "Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user JuliaTourianski_"
Apocalyptic: well done
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud anchovies are eaten matured, which means, salted and kept in extra virgin olive oil for a dozen weeks
The20YearIRCloud: US is huge ,and hard to understand. The economy of my state alone is extraordinarily complex
JuliaTourianski_: teehee- where's my lollypop?
mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler
ben_vulpes: ;;ident
gribble: Nick 'ben_vulpes', with hostmask 'ben_vulpes!~user@unaffiliated/benkay', is identified as user 'ben_vulpes', with GPG key id 2AFA1A9FD2D031DA, key fingerprint 4F7907942CA8B89B01E25A762AFA1A9FD2D031DA, and bitcoin address None
mircea_popescu: ;;ident JuliaTourianski_
gribble: Nick 'JuliaTourianski_', with hostmask 'JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231', is identified as user 'JuliaTourianski_', with GPG key id 10572E349297B40F, key fingerprint 5B51A3720F496281ACA2287E10572E349297B40F, and bitcoin address None
bounce: what's with the _ though?
mircea_popescu: rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_,
Dimsler: bitcoin magazine editor from toronto?
ben_vulpes: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blod
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.
The20YearIRCloud: It's amazing how quickly we came out of a $1 billion dollar/year budget deficit to having a $2b surplus and cash in the bank
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: whose, gribbs.
The20YearIRCloud: Yet almost nothing was cut
ben_vulpes: mine, you missed the semis
The20YearIRCloud: in terms of state expenses.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ now you can identify with gribble and self-voice by pm-ing assbot !up
ben_vulpes: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 new blood
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user JuliaTourianski_ has changed from 1 to 1.
mircea_popescu: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.
The20YearIRCloud: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ why not?
gribble: Error: 'why' is not a valid integer.
Dimsler: what brings Julia to this channel?
The20YearIRCloud: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 New blood.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler amusingly enough, danielpbarron
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.
Dimsler: LOL
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes tried to do it but he FAILED because he SUCKS. whereas daniel inadvertently managed.
mircea_popescu: because he's a smooth operator.
JuliaTourianski_: lmircea made me
Dimsler: lol the toronto bitcoin meets are so damned bad
ben_vulpes: i failed?
JuliaTourianski_: daniel is in love with me. his love was magnetic
JuliaTourianski_: ye they r
The20YearIRCloud: that sounds messy
mircea_popescu: Dimsler why ?
Dimsler: its a marathon of misinformation and greed
The20YearIRCloud: I'd like to try some of the imported anchovies you're eating, compared to our welfare-state anchovies here
The20YearIRCloud: the $2/lb stuff
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RagnarDanneskjol: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 hottie
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user JuliaTourianski_ has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: ;;google buy agostino recca in ohio
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The20YearIRCloud: RagnarDanneskjol: you've seen her?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud ^
Dimsler: i lately have been snatching up san marzano tomatoes
Dimsler: italian imports
Dimsler: for a good sauce
Dimsler: i swear you can't do it otherwise
mircea_popescu: ha ha ha you said snatching
assbot: Pantry Essentials - Sicilian Anchovies in Oil
Dimsler: lol
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ type /query assbot then in the window so opened type !up
Dimsler: excuse the pun
Dimsler: i gotta get out of toronto, getting cabin fever over here
Dimsler: not sure if i can last another winter
mircea_popescu: you coming to teh conference ?
mircea_popescu: !up JuliaTourianski_
Dimsler: didn't the isle of man one just finish?
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Dimsler: wheres the next one
Dimsler: i need a get away
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, did ukraine in the summer
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud i guess im getting gypped.
Dimsler: was in khrakov when they shot the mayor
Dimsler: lol
mircea_popescu: $conference
empyex: mircea_popescu: Next conference starts in 6 months and 26 days. Estimated cost today: 3.29826841 BTC (Details: http://trilema.com/2014/the-conference-third-edition/ )
mircea_popescu: Dimsler ^
mircea_popescu: Dimsler did they shoot the deputy ?
JuliaTourianski_: ty for everyone's help - glad i bothered
Dimsler: well there was no sherrif
JuliaTourianski_: where do I put in my btc address?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ seriously up yourself so you know you can do it.
Dimsler: my cyrillic is bad
JuliaTourianski_: !up JuliaTourianski_
Dimsler: but i snagged up a condo for $5kusd
Dimsler: and a dachia for $2k
Dimsler: mmm cheap war torn realestate
assbot: Bitcoin address authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, you read dough casey?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ gotta do it in pm
mircea_popescu: Dimsler notrly.
JuliaTourianski_: this means I had sex with Doug- http://www.caseyresearch.com/cdd/whether-you-love-or-hate-it-youre-missing-what-really-matters-about-bitcoin
assbot: Whether You Love It or Hate It, Youre Missing What Really Matters About Bitcoin | Casey Research
JuliaTourianski_: yup, i just did it :) ahah pm'ing myself felt counter intuitive
mircea_popescu: !down JuliaTourianski_
The20YearIRCloud: I don't hear many good things from guys i've known who have gone to romania. (Specifically comments about money/economics)
mircea_popescu: depends where you go. bucharest is a cesspool.
The20YearIRCloud: Dimsler: where is this?
Dimsler: kharkov
The20YearIRCloud: seriously?
Dimsler: yeah man
The20YearIRCloud: that's amazing
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ so now that you're all set up into personhood, come up with something to do so that the almighty powers of the b-a can support you
Dimsler: i absolutely love eastern europe
Dimsler: spent the rest of my time in budapest
Dimsler: as overrated as it was
Dimsler: then back to krakow
mircea_popescu: shooting porn or what ?
The20YearIRCloud: I have a friend in bulgaria, he has some pretty cool things going on
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, LOL beat me to it
The20YearIRCloud: Specifically with eastern european agriculture
JuliaTourianski_: mircea_popescu I'll try, just for you
mircea_popescu: well bulgaria is like the world's gherkin capital.
JuliaTourianski_: Has anyone in here actually met me in person? Just curious
Dimsler: neg, i stay away from the toronto bitcoin nerds
Dimsler: they are just bad
mircea_popescu: you should be keeping the list!
Dimsler: no offence
JuliaTourianski_: it's too long
The20YearIRCloud: i'd like to go to the toronto bitcoin conference next time it's around. That way I can say i've been in a foreign country before :D
JuliaTourianski_: i hate decentral, no worries
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, ah then we have PLENTY in common
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud canada is not foreign and barely a country :D
Dimsler: i know
JuliaTourianski_: ye toronto conf was dope actually
The20YearIRCloud: It is for me :D
The20YearIRCloud: i can get poutine and bagged milk
mircea_popescu: is bagged milk a breast reference ?
Dimsler: the toronto conference was a regurgitation of miami
The20YearIRCloud: No, but it could easily (Maybe should) be
Dimsler: some of the bets btc meets i've had was in NYC
Dimsler: because you get alot of finance guys involved
assbot: Butters - "Do You Know What I Am Saying?" - YouTube
The20YearIRCloud: won't the next NYC conference require a license to attend?
mircea_popescu: no, it'll require a license to leave.
Dimsler: lol
Dimsler: will i have to send my assistant instead?
Dimsler: last time had a blast in nyc at the btc conference
Dimsler: ended up walking around manhattan at like 4am
JuliaTourianski_: ;;bcregister JuliaTourianski_ 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG
gribble: Error: Username already registered. Try a different username.
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, hahaha that episode is a classic
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ there's a special command to add an address if the acct is reg'd already
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, i'll fly out to argentina for that conference
mircea_popescu: Dimsler make sure you reg then!
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, is it failry anon?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ ;;changeaddress
JuliaTourianski_: changeaddress
mircea_popescu: Dimsler well no, people generally know each other.
JuliaTourianski_: thats' what the wiki says
JuliaTourianski_: right
JuliaTourianski_: ;;changeaddress
gribble: (changeaddress <bitcoinaddress>) -- Changes your registered address to <bitcoinaddress>. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your new address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. You must be authenticated in order to use this command.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler how'd this go "hello everyone, pleased to meet you, i'm <snipped>" ? who are you meeting then.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you said we don't have to register we can just show up
Dimsler: no i understand what you mean
thestringpuller: yay. send in the hobos!
JuliaTourianski_: (changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG)
thestringpuller: i kid i kid.
JuliaTourianski_: arg i feel so noobish.
mircea_popescu: check out the lisp chick.
mircea_popescu: ;;changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG
Dimsler: lol
JuliaTourianski_: ;;changeaddress 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG
gribble: Request successful for user JuliaTourianski_, hostmask JuliaTourianski_!1896e2e7@gateway/web/freenode/ip.24.150.226.231. Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:183f6fd27c774070bb9152f6b72d592a8a5a07b24937afd0dbafce49
Dimsler: wait a minute
bounce: yes why doesn't gribble support s-expressions?!?
JuliaTourianski_: yay done
Dimsler: are you the brave the world chick?
bounce: not done
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you'll have to confirm it.
mircea_popescu: bounce i think it does
mircea_popescu: it has a ... PYTHON evaluator :D
JuliaTourianski_: well almost
JuliaTourianski_: ye brave the world
bounce: gribble is a bit stupid and nanotube won't change the confused wording there. yes I asked. oh well.
JuliaTourianski_: ok how do i confirm it
thestringpuller: nanotube is a ghost
JuliaTourianski_: it gave a challenge string
thestringpuller: he also doesn't acknowledge pull requests :P
RagnarDanneskjol: do you have an electrum wallet Julia?
bounce: you sign it with the bitcoin client, then feed the signature to bcverify
mircea_popescu: ;;seen nanotube
gribble: nanotube was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 2 days, 4 hours, 21 minutes, and 29 seconds ago: <nanotube> heh sure because 'nature' doesn't have volition to do anything 'deliberately' :)
mircea_popescu: not that ghostly.
JuliaTourianski_: yes electrum
RagnarDanneskjol: is the addreess you used from electrum?
RagnarDanneskjol: if so, right click your address >> sign/verify
RagnarDanneskjol: copy the entire string starting with "freenode:#......"
JuliaTourianski_: so i go into electrum console and i type in ....
RagnarDanneskjol: easier to just right click the address you used
JuliaTourianski_: i have the old version
RagnarDanneskjol: how old? - still believe you can right click addr to sign
JuliaTourianski_: oh sign verify msg?
thestringpuller: is it similar to bitcoind?
RagnarDanneskjol: not really
JuliaTourianski_: wow. fucking cool.
JuliaTourianski_: i was wondering what that was for
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RagnarDanneskjol: yes good times
JuliaTourianski_: now what command to I use to verify with the signature?
JuliaTourianski_: in here
thestringpuller: ;;bcverify
gribble: (bcverify <signedmessage>) -- Verify the latest authentication request by providing the <signedmessage> which contains the challenge string signed with your bitcoin address of record. If verified, you'll be authenticated for the duration of the bot's or your IRC session on channel (whichever is shorter).
RagnarDanneskjol: yep that one
JuliaTourianski_: ;;bcverify G3nn80TtrApV3CjPg47bzTpWasmbOy0Yt+634HunWwuJcoe5kZ6mrAAD9epPR0fbyQF0UqEcGIJSrcgJEKborN4=
gribble: Successfully changed address for user JuliaTourianski_ from None to 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG. You are now authenticated for user 'JuliaTourianski_' with address 1zPxLJWtrR8nhJEZWXrHWTu47r7LgJaMG
RagnarDanneskjol: fyi julia - you can send all these messages to gribble in pm for future ref
Dimsler: yes
JuliaTourianski_: nice. ty all
Dimsler: please pm
JuliaTourianski_: ok. great
mircea_popescu: !up eizodo
JuliaTourianski_: !up RagnarDanneskjol
JuliaTourianski_: gah.
mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler
Dimsler: thanks
Dimsler: i gotta get out my original wallet
RagnarDanneskjol: mircea_popescu - do you want chris to do anything else with the pool - he was looking for guidance?
mircea_popescu: srsly. you know you're being outdone by a noob girl over here.
Dimsler: lol
Dimsler: i have this thing linked to my originalest wallet ever
Dimsler: from like 2011
mircea_popescu: RagnarDanneskjol notrly for now, needs some time to run
JuliaTourianski_: will anyone b at the vegas inside btc?
RagnarDanneskjol: yes Julia - I will
eizodo: thanks
RagnarDanneskjol: me and my dogs
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ do you go to all of these ?
Dimsler: yeah i know
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, theres only like 1-2 a year worth going to
RagnarDanneskjol: vegas is a good one
JuliaTourianski_: ive only been to 3 conferences
Dimsler: the rest of them are just right back to introductionary speaches and covering the same topic a million times
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you know i'm still looking for a mpex mascot.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, have you done nyc?
mircea_popescu: bwahaha the gems in the log.
mircea_popescu: 22:23:09 hanbot: mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did paranoia or w/e it's called lose any bitcoin this month yet ? << llamacea
mircea_popescu: 22:23:50 mircea_popescu: hanbot o right. pannacotta
JuliaTourianski_: im mostly going to meet up with P byrne to be honest...not the gambling at all
JuliaTourianski_: I tend to go for the people not the conference..i maybe listen to 1 speech usually
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Dimsler: come do nyc with us
mircea_popescu: The South-Western Bathhouse Local family business in Mississauga, Ontario << is this the canadian equivalent of the mystical massage parlour ?
JuliaTourianski_: ill be in NYC right after vegas
Dimsler: nyc or argentina to meet good ol mircea in person
mircea_popescu: What that did - average of 100 daily hits o.O
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, i do the russian bathhouse in york
Dimsler: it is awesome
Dimsler: good steam does the body good
kakobrekla: whats with the name calling, is it better if i call it MKLF next time?
JuliaTourianski_: I own a russian bathhouse mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: Dimsler im not old enough for bathhouses yet
danielpbarron: JuliaTourianski_, glad to see you joined :D
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, lol oh common
Dimsler: i'm not old either
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, which one?
JuliaTourianski_: banya.ca
Dimsler: lol no way?
The20YearIRCloud: in russia or canada?
JuliaTourianski_: way
Dimsler: how does this place compare to the one in york?
JuliaTourianski_: I took cody wilson and amir there
The20YearIRCloud: i wonder if that'd do well in Columbus or cleveland
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud in columbus quite likely.
The20YearIRCloud: cleveland has a pretty big russian population compared to columbus though
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, what do you get for clients?
Dimsler: the york one is nothing but gangsters and shadyness
Dimsler: which is entertaining as hell
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah but probably easier to break into the market on the novelty angle.
mircea_popescu: a settled russian population either has its own and won't use yours or does without and won't use yours.
The20YearIRCloud: Granted what I want here/columbus is a nice steakhouse that gets their meat locally, rather than from China or 500mi aways
Dimsler: my russians been getting worse and worse
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler started out mostly russians, then I did my seo/marketing magic and now it's 60% canadians 40% russians
Dimsler: they taught us russian in school
JuliaTourianski_: which = good cuz russians are cheap and difficult :P
Dimsler: lol
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ only the boys.
mircea_popescu: the girls are cheap and easy.
The20YearIRCloud: Now you can sell the canadians overpriced russian food
Dimsler: the girls rock
Dimsler: probably some of the most realistic attitudes
JuliaTourianski_: you would know
mircea_popescu: Dimsler plus can drink.
Dimsler: lol well i'm polish
Dimsler: so the polish girls can drink too
JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud our food is very underpriced actually
Dimsler: but too westernized and complacant
mircea_popescu: ;;import polish_jokes.h
gribble: Error: "import" is not a valid command.
The20YearIRCloud: Then you should overprice it for locals :D
mircea_popescu: it should be, gribble.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, will defeintly check this place out
Dimsler: i've heard about it
The20YearIRCloud: maybe you can get a glorious discount if paid in bitcoins/litecoins
Dimsler: lol do you accept btc?
JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud my dad refuses. he used to charge only 9 bucks for hand made sausages + sides that no one could finish cuz the portion was so large
The20YearIRCloud: Does he run it and you help manage?
Dimsler: holy cow
Dimsler: the food menu looks delicious
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, it does look good, russian is good stuff
The20YearIRCloud: only had it twice though :(
JuliaTourianski_: yes we are accepting BTC this season :)
mircea_popescu: almost as good as romanian :D
The20YearIRCloud: I wouldn't know romanian if my life depended on it
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler ty all home made, original recipes, feature in savour mag :)
Dimsler: next time i'm in missy i'm goign to check this out
JuliaTourianski_: +The20YearIRCloud my parents run it, I manage it and do all the marketing/sm/website I make the cake and do the drinks, manage the beer etc.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud they're total sluts. polenta ? romanian traditional dish, according to romanians. sarmali ? check. baklava ? check. blinyi ? check. etc.
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler please do
The20YearIRCloud: i thought baklava was greek
Dimsler: neg
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler ill beat you with a venik
mircea_popescu: romanians just steal all the foods.
Dimsler: i thought it was turkish?
bounce: "manage the beer". sounds like a heady job, eh.
mircea_popescu: yeah i gotta refine my rating here.
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu they generally steal
JuliaTourianski_: +bounce guilty
mircea_popescu: ;;rate JuliaTourianski_ 1 Manages the beer for a family owned Russian bathouse with handmage sausages in Mississauga.
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Dimsler: well everyone stole pączki from us
The20YearIRCloud: they're really catching on Dimsler
mircea_popescu: paczki are romanian.
mircea_popescu: ;;google pogacele reteta
Dimsler: lies
mircea_popescu: BUCATE ROMANESTI bitch
mircea_popescu: that means like supertraditional we invented it foodstuffs.
Dimsler: yes i know
mircea_popescu: (tbh, these were stolen in the 1600s)
Dimsler: i have lots of romanian friends
The20YearIRCloud: the nice thing about the US is the variety of ethnic foods we get
The20YearIRCloud: Most europeans haven't had the chance ever to try Mexican
The20YearIRCloud: Well, texicanized mexican
mircea_popescu: plenty of mexican restaurants in yurp
Dimsler: The20YearIRCloud, for once, i'd like to sit down and have a real steak or chicago style pizza anywhere in europe
The20YearIRCloud: I looked at how many were in the UK and it was pretty low
The20YearIRCloud: you're not missing out on the c hicago pizzas :(
Dimsler: i would do the btc vegas conference just to eat at carnevino
mircea_popescu: see los mexikas in vienna if there.
The20YearIRCloud: Ever try a brazilian steakhouse?
Dimsler: yesss
The20YearIRCloud: we've got at least 2 in columbus now
The20YearIRCloud: One does brunch for $21.95 and it's amazing
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mthreat: i once saw a "Texan" restaurant in belgium. The menu looked nothing like any food I'd ever seen in Texas.
The20YearIRCloud: what'd they serve?
The20YearIRCloud: I imagine it's like the 'australian' places we have here
mircea_popescu: what is even "texan" food ?
Dimsler: fried pigs feet
The20YearIRCloud: part of it is texmex, the other is beef-oriented American with most of it trending towards BBQ
mthreat: mircea_popescu: good question, there are several kinds of popular food... tex-mex, bbq, mexican, etc
mircea_popescu: kinda what i figured.
mircea_popescu: i spent some time in mexico, loved the food, but didn't impress me as being specific in any wya.
mthreat: but in general, it seems like ethnic food gets worse the further away it gets from the origin. I;m sure there are exceptions,
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu what happened to ur twatter account
mircea_popescu: shit. texas i mean.
mircea_popescu: i also spent time in mexico, and yes, that's a thing.
JuliaTourianski_: tiramisu is shit in italy.
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ i killed some derp and they got pissy.
Dimsler: lol
Dimsler: twatter
Dimsler: good riddance
Dimsler: not sure why you bothered with that form of clownery
X-Rob: I've been watching 'Miranda' over the weekend. It's amazingly hilarious. English show, has three seasons of 6 episodes each.
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mircea_popescu: Dimsler because like five or so years ago some chicks i was hanging with all made one and kept pestering me.
X-Rob: Highly Recommended.
Dimsler: see
jurov: i once tried taco bell in.. canada. not a fond memory.
Dimsler: got peer pressured
The20YearIRCloud: taco bell is novelty food
mircea_popescu: then they broke the interface, i took a break, forgot about it, then rediscovered it after a coupla years and reused it for i dunno, a few months
The20YearIRCloud: do you have any chipotles in romania?
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud nope
mircea_popescu: romanians are very particular about no bleeding assholes.
assbot: BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy'
assbot: DAME LA MOCHILA
Duffer1: ya saw that bounce
mircea_popescu: is it memeizing ?
Duffer1: 50b divestment
mircea_popescu: it really should be damelamochisha.amigo
Duffer1: i'd be curious to see how small a fraction of their total holdings that is
bounce: do some research
The20YearIRCloud: bounce: that's their philanthropic(sp) group
Duffer1: i'm not that curious :P
The20YearIRCloud: It's not a huge number from what i read the other day, like $50m
Duffer1: b not m
The20YearIRCloud: No , that was their energy holdings or estimated investment in renewables
mircea_popescu: "The philanthropic organisation was founded in 1940 by the sons of John D Rockefeller. As of 31 July 2014, the fund's investment assets were worth $860 million."
mircea_popescu: so, no 50bn
The20YearIRCloud: From what i had read, only a specific branch of their total investment fund was going to go to clean energy, and it was a low number
mircea_popescu: i have nfi if the people involved can rightly represent the impact of some millions in what's being discussed.
The20YearIRCloud: The actual fund they have (The $50b) fund has made no commitmenets to any sort of renewable energy investments
mircea_popescu: china does 1 trn worth of coal plants a year.
bounce: who's going to buy those $50e9 of fossil fuel assets? also, tin foil hat time: apparently they think it's time to get out, so peak oil
The20YearIRCloud: like peak copper in the 70s
mircea_popescu: bounce everyone, basically.
Duffer1: the article i read sounded like they plegded a 50b divestment
Duffer1: pledged even
The20YearIRCloud: they were wrong
bounce: guys, add an n to the b if you have to go there.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
The20YearIRCloud: Every time i dive into renewable energy numbers I always find a pile of lies
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
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mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud funny how that works the same for me!
mircea_popescu: i wonder why this would be.
The20YearIRCloud: Almost like it's run by marketing firms
Duffer1: i see it's not them alone
assbot: BBC News - Rockefellers to switch investments to 'clean energy'
mircea_popescu: marketing firms that know nobody's going to jail for al gore's carbon credits mob deal.
The20YearIRCloud: And that it's a easy pill to sell to idiot individuals
bounce: it's going to need a lot of money to beef up the "renewable" tech tho
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 500 @ 0.0075 = 3.75 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: bounce and not a bad way to spend some money, at that.
The20YearIRCloud: What's $50b out of total worldwide investments of 50 trillion?
The20YearIRCloud: All smoke and mirrors to try and make renewables work better
The20YearIRCloud: I'm not completely opposed to renewables, but the renewables that actually work aren't the ones that anyone talks about
mircea_popescu: srsly, energy research is not a bad idea nor a bad goal.
The20YearIRCloud: Anyone that talks about photovoltaics and windmills as a answer to anything should be immediately ignored
mircea_popescu: it could do without all the idiotic derpage it's currently wrapped in of course.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud cells might eventually work.
mats_cd03: solar works plenty, and it gets lots of talk.
Duffer1: political packaging :/
bounce: time to set up a research institute and write some billionaires for research funding, then buy up all the patents and the research groups and make them work together
The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands
mircea_popescu: and windmills work excellently in some very narrow cases. much like hydro.
mats_cd03: lifetime eroi is higher than nuclear iirc (~5x?)
The20YearIRCloud: Hydro is leaps and bounds better than solar or wind, yet many environmentalists hate it
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud hydro only works where you have a river ; wind only works where you have ... the equivalent phenomenon, in the air fluid.
The20YearIRCloud: depends on how you calculate nuclear
mats_cd03: hydro talk is stupid, thats why
mircea_popescu: but where that is satisfied, they work.
JuliaTourianski_: solar is halving in price quite quickly and getting more and more powerful exponentially...wind is iffy. take a lot to maintain. costly. ugly. kills the eagles :P
mats_cd03: everything that can be dammed already has been, for the most part.
bounce: so what's the exponent? :-p
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 that doesn't make it not work.
The20YearIRCloud: And places like hoover dam work extraordinarily well
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ it's not really that exponential. and the price is a minute consideration, the cost is the main point.
mats_cd03: didn't dispute it works. just not interesting.
bounce: dams apparently aren't worth the costs long run, in terms of environmental impact and failure to deliver on the improvement of life for the locals promise
mircea_popescu: well sure, not interesting, that depends on your interests :p
The20YearIRCloud: "interesting" shouldn't be a point of conversation about anything energy related
mircea_popescu: bounce neither of these are criteria.
mats_cd03: its okay, .cn will solve this in three decades
bounce: oh yes they are.
mircea_popescu: the criteria are, energy used to erect, energy delivered after erection.
The20YearIRCloud: Yes, they will start using people as fuel
mircea_popescu: the locals can get fucked, with their hopes aspirations and expectations of "promises"
mircea_popescu: nobody's promising jack.
JuliaTourianski_: once the energy issue is solved (housing, water filtration, food, medicine is all basically there) then maybe fuller will be proven right...and without reliance on gov infrastructure we can escape political systems altogether
mats_cd03: via selling commercial portable fission reactor designs to the rest of the world at a nice markup
The20YearIRCloud: Well, higher prices
The20YearIRCloud: Our local power co-op is seriously looking at small nukes
mats_cd03: thats nice. 'looking'.
JuliaTourianski_: I just did a cool interview with viney gupta on the subject, editing now actually. first time ive been hopeful in a while
The20YearIRCloud: Their lifetime cost even with installation and maintainence costs is under 4c per KWH
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud unless they blow up.
The20YearIRCloud: and it reduces total grid costs which can be another 1-2c per KWH that has to be accounted for
The20YearIRCloud: These are the ones that use the thorium fluid, they're between a traditional reactor and a RTG
Duffer1: JuliaTourianski_ on solar or renewables in general?
mircea_popescu: a those things
The20YearIRCloud: The big thing is you don't have to install high power lines, buy easements, hire helicopter crews to fly over lines for obstructions and so on
The20YearIRCloud: So the grid costs go down severely
JuliaTourianski_: +Duffer1 on the entire picture of our future, and how engineering/tech will impact us politically
JuliaTourianski_: first part is about crypto specifically, vid next week will be about what we're discussing here http://youtu.be/KybZAEm0stY
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mircea_popescu: "the entire picture of our future" ?
JuliaTourianski_: the guy is pretty cool. created open source housing
JuliaTourianski_: hexyert
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu no, in relation to how tech will shape it, especially in the "3rd world"
mircea_popescu: "Hello! If you're going to Burning Man, have a great burn, and welcome to our Financial Times readers too." ?
JuliaTourianski_: ye burner love the hexyert
JuliaTourianski_: hexayurt*
mircea_popescu: ok so basically this is a cheap temporary shelter solution ?
JuliaTourianski_: very cheap. every person in the world can have one without enviro impact. +mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: what's very cheap ? 7 dollars/lb ?
JuliaTourianski_: but it can be made out of things other than plywood for permanent housing
JuliaTourianski_: For hexayurts fabricated from four-by-eight foot sheets of foam or hexacomb cardboard and duct tape, the cost has been estimated at $1,000 each (compared to $30,000 for a FEMA trailer). Hexayurts fabricated from OSB and wooden blocks can cost as little as $250–300.
JuliaTourianski_: open source is key
The20YearIRCloud: Skilled builders is key
bounce: how's that? what's the fema paying in "intellectual property" licensing for its trailers then?
The20YearIRCloud: Shelters are easy to build, problem is lack of education/understanding, look at how many die in Africa due to cholera
mircea_popescu: yeah the builders matter.
JuliaTourianski_: anyone can build these things
The20YearIRCloud: One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery
JuliaTourianski_: and thers water filters for 100 bucks that can filter virus and bacteria now
The20YearIRCloud: Sure they can, if they know how to do it, but it's always amazing how many people out there don't understand a dang thing
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The20YearIRCloud: You can make a water filter for nothing that filters 99.99% of all contaminants
JuliaTourianski_: world will be saved via compost toilets :P
The20YearIRCloud: Compost toilets are fine, any kind of containment system for sewage is just fine, but half the world doesn't realize that keeping your septic and your water in the same place is a bad thing
bounce: well, nasa has a fix for that
The20YearIRCloud: I have a fix for that too - simple education
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you built one ?
bounce: piffle. HIGH TECHNOLOGY is the way, I'm telling you
ben_vulpes: hexayurts are incredibly poorly engineered.
kakobrekla: 'ghash' sound linda like 'jihad'?
bounce: like, in-orbit high. anything less just won't do.
The20YearIRCloud: I'm teaching a class on basic mechanics/machines, and it's amazing how many people out there don't understand how anything works
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: Frameless Geodesic Dome
JuliaTourianski_: +ben_vulpes what makes u say that
ben_vulpes: (linked previously)
kakobrekla: *kinda
ben_vulpes: having been in them.
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu dont need one, but I'm sure i could. im very handy. wish i was more techy isntead but hey.
JuliaTourianski_: instead*
ben_vulpes: i mean - did we learn nothing from Buckminster Fuller?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ well yes but these aren't statements of the same strength. the problem being that the difference between theory and practice is narrower in theory than it is in practice.
mircea_popescu: this readily recurses into divergence.
assbot: Dimsler +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up Dimsler
JuliaTourianski_: +ben_vulpes the point is to easily build it. domes are much harder
Dimsler: wait
Dimsler: whats assbots problem
The20YearIRCloud: ben_vulpes: where are you getting the corugated plastic from?
mircea_popescu: ;;ident Dimsler
gribble: Nick 'Dimsler', with hostmask 'Dimsler!~dimsler@17.254.127.199.client.static.strong-in67.as13926.net', is identified as user 'Dimsler', with GPG key id None, key fingerprint None, and bitcoin address 1NQqDhT9kvXD8vtUyPZmhr935EzyW2ybjU
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot Dimsler
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Dimsler!~dimsler@17.254.127.199.client.static.strong-in67.as13926.net. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Dimsler: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Dimsler | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Dimsler | Rated since: Tue Oct 22 13:51:07 2013
JuliaTourianski_: +ben_vulpes vinay loves fuller
mircea_popescu: Dimsler you need wot rating.
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud ebay!
mircea_popescu: ;;rate Dimsler 1 New blood
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Dimsler has been recorded.
mircea_popescu: there, try now.
Dimsler: excellent
Dimsler: finally
ben_vulpes: JuliaTourianski_: you've not bothered to read the link, i gather.
mircea_popescu: so how do the plates stick together anyway ?
mircea_popescu: bolted or what
ben_vulpes: bolted, yeah.
mircea_popescu: and if windy ?
ben_vulpes: load condition?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, 10kpa
Dimsler: are people going to be living in this shit?
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: you can use plywood.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i mean separation of panels? lifting of the thing?
Dimsler: you have better chance of convince people into living in shipping containers
The20YearIRCloud: I'm just trying to find information on the plasdtic
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that thing ain't lifting off.
mircea_popescu: it's falling apart.
Dimsler: aggregates and building materials to build proper shelter is cheap
The20YearIRCloud: Because that dome would essentially be shelter, absolutely no protection from heat or cold
Dimsler: its the man power that is unaffordable
Dimsler: refer to the restoration of Rome
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: so double-shell it.
RagnarDanneskjol: !up RagnarsBitch
ben_vulpes: jesus it's like engineering never happened around here.
The20YearIRCloud: Let me find the exact R value
The20YearIRCloud: Just checked, and the R value of double-shelling would be 4
ben_vulpes: plus straw?
mircea_popescu: 4 is better than 0.
ben_vulpes: also source?
Dimsler: lol nobody is going to live in that.
assbot: 4mm Twin-Wall Corrugated Plastic 8' Wide - FarmTek
mircea_popescu: Dimsler people with no other option.
The20YearIRCloud: The minimum R value for wall insullation (not ceiling mind you) in the US is now in the area of 25-30
ben_vulpes: The20YearIRCloud: double-shell implies an air insulation layer
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yes but this is for africa neh ?
Dimsler: in africa theres plenty of access to clay
ben_vulpes: this has heat xfer implications that you've not considered.
Dimsler: and clay structures
The20YearIRCloud: R value of the air insullation isn't going to be that great, maybe 10
mircea_popescu: Dimsler clay is slow to work tho
The20YearIRCloud: mircea_popescu: and if you had few/no temperature swings it'd be fine
Dimsler: i don't see them smelt plastic and mould injecting domes
ben_vulpes: oh yeah shit
The20YearIRCloud: Clay works fine, heck even straw will be better, one US sized bale of straw has a R value of 9-10
ben_vulpes: i really need a pressed shitboard housebox
ben_vulpes: made by a giant corporation in the business of fabbing horrible shitboard boxes
Dimsler: The20YearIRCloud, exactly
The20YearIRCloud: Those houseboxes are about the same in terms of performance
ben_vulpes: for a retarded markup
Dimsler: wait
Dimsler: if we are all in agreement
The20YearIRCloud: How many of you here live in brick houses?
mircea_popescu: from what i gathered here the pro argument was that these take less man-hours to put up than an actual construction.
Dimsler: then who the hell is talking about these idiotic eco homes?
The20YearIRCloud: Brick is how many centuries old?
The20YearIRCloud: How old is cement?
Dimsler: The20YearIRCloud, exactly
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud cement is actually older than they think.
mircea_popescu: the romans used it.
The20YearIRCloud: It's not cutting edge stuff by any standard whatsoever. So why bother with air layers, straw, high strength plastics?
Dimsler: oh thats Julia girl was talking about it
Dimsler: man thats ridicluous
Dimsler: nobody is going to live in that
The20YearIRCloud: You can teach a bunch of low/no education people how to make bricks in a week or two, and in a month show them how to make a house that will last 50-100 years
mircea_popescu: Dimsler 1k kids for two days of booze and sexting at burning man ?
Dimsler: LOL
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud problem is it takes them about a month to build it.
Dimsler: they can buy regular tents?
The20YearIRCloud: How long does it take to mail plastic sheeting to Africa?
Dimsler: if south africa has taught us anything during the aparthide
Dimsler: is the white man should just leave the blacks alone
mircea_popescu: The20YearIRCloud yeah well.
ben_vulpes: or a thing that i can knock together in the middle of nowhere for next to nothing
The20YearIRCloud: And it's not like people in the middle of Africa don't have enough time to build something that's gonna work well
ben_vulpes: see the paupery story for details on other "engineering" criteria missing from the conversation.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes link ?
The20YearIRCloud: You want to look at affordable, extremely useful housing, look to what the Scots & irish did with their housing in the 1600s from Sod
ben_vulpes: !s pauper
The20YearIRCloud: Some of those houses would last forever and needed almost no heat during freezing cold winters
JuliaTourianski_: the hexayurt is a solution for emergency housing, refugee camps, and poverty housing. they do protect against extreme temperature changes, hence their use at burning man
The20YearIRCloud: heck, body heat would keep em warm
The20YearIRCloud: And tents are bad?
mircea_popescu: "After six decades and the expenditure of the equivalent of tens of billions of dollars, the promise of breeder reactors remains largely unfulfilled and efforts to commercialize them have been steadily cut back in most countries"
JuliaTourianski_: tents r shit
mircea_popescu: IPFS doesn't like torium
ben_vulpes: tents a shit
ben_vulpes: indeed
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, for who?
ben_vulpes: i for one think the burning man use case is hilarious
The20YearIRCloud: hipsters at burning man?
HeySteve: +The20YearIRCloud> One of the groups at my church goes to Africa every few years to teach people how to build basic water filters from sand/rocks/ect and when they do it , they save a immense number of lives due to cholera/disentery <- cool, here's something else you might be interested in: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HM0d2EsVehQ
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JuliaTourianski_: ?
ben_vulpes: "hi i'm subjecting myself to burning man but i want a temperature regulated environment but i can't afford an rv RENTAL"
Dimsler: lol who cares about hipsters at burning man
mircea_popescu: it is pretty funny
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: that's quite cool
HeySteve: yeah gonna start using them for fish feed
The20YearIRCloud: We've got a methane reactor on a farm here, doesn't use flies but produces a few KW of continuous power from a milk production
ben_vulpes: one use case that made some modicum of sense was this one dood's fuckpalace, but i was always amused that he couldn't just get down in public at the burn
ben_vulpes: i mean w.t.f.
Dimsler: a cattle sized meat grinder
Dimsler: should be wheeled into burning man
jurov: from what i read about burning man, one needs two tents, the bigger one where you can clean off the salt
jurov: and inside it a small one
The20YearIRCloud: Ok, so the flies do a similar thing to composting?
jurov: domes/yurts are usable as the bigger one
mircea_popescu: Dimsler why the hate ? kids gotta gather somewhere.
mircea_popescu: now they can't rape each other on the uni campus, where is the handling supposed to occur ?
ben_vulpes: jurov: if you're cleaning off the dust, you're doing it wrong
ben_vulpes: wet wipes for the crotch is about all one needs.
jurov: you were yourself?
ben_vulpes: i was what?
jurov: ion burning man
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, well no see, kids are about 16yrs old approx?
Dimsler: if you're 25 acting like a kid
ben_vulpes: a few times yeah jurov
Dimsler: its a little different
jurov: they wrote "if left on the skin that dust causes burns" - you say BS?
ben_vulpes: "get a house, settle down, give up on fun, otherwise you're a retarded child." << Dimsler
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: do you have more info on this fly thing?
mircea_popescu: Dimsler nah, in civilised society as old as 26.
ben_vulpes: jurov: you're missing a duration qualifier there
ben_vulpes: i also suspect that skin oils make a nice little bottom layer
The20YearIRCloud: The big thing about fish feed is that there are a few types that have very, very, very low protein inputs and thrive on waste anyway
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HeySteve: The20YearIRCloud yeah they're building a big facility in fluffypony's neck of the woods to supply animal feed to farmers here
The20YearIRCloud: I'd love to try it here, granted finding the waste input could be difficult outside of animal manure from farms
The20YearIRCloud: How are the larva harvested?
HeySteve: the larvae harvest themselves by crawling up ramps and away from all the mess
mircea_popescu: like silkworms huh
HeySteve: I'm not sure, never kept silkworms
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: and into harvesting stations?
HeySteve: yeah or straight into animal feed troughs even
The20YearIRCloud: Alright, and they're eaten live by the animals?
HeySteve: yeah I know chickens will eat them live and the protein content is high. will try it with fish but maybe they need to be processed for smaller fish
jurov: chicken don't have any prejudice against live worms
jurov: rather the opposite
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The20YearIRCloud: two nice-ish buys today, joy
The20YearIRCloud: chicken love insects, i know quite a few people that feed almost exclusively scratch (no food)
The20YearIRCloud: granted that doesn't work in winter
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HeySteve: you can put the chickens in a cage above the grubs to manage their waste
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kakobrekla: not much of a talker
kakobrekla: not that there anything wrong with that
moldysnizz: heh, not so much. chatquack may have logged some drunkeness. I don't have access to his credintals right now. Desktop is in storage.
moldysnizz: moldy is my fallback.
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: that setup looks quite great
The20YearIRCloud: Especially as a dried foodstock, i'm shocked though they estimate value at only $1/lb
The20YearIRCloud: would help with doing batches
Dimsler: ground beef is 40cents /lb
Dimsler: and thats a 70/30 mix
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: seems they're 20% efficient at converting waste to protein/feedstock it seems
jurov: you should prolly should IPO it on havelock
jurov: MAGGOTMINER
The20YearIRCloud: The concern I have is would be getting the waste
The20YearIRCloud: They need 80kg+ to make ~17kg of feed per week. That's a great deal of waste.
jurov: can prolly be crowdsourced
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HeySteve: heh maggotminer
The20YearIRCloud: 335m tons of manure is produced a year in the US, which would result in 67m tons of BSFL feedstock
The20YearIRCloud: Assuming 100% of all animal waste is used as a food source for them.
HeySteve: better than sending it to landfill I'd say!
HeySteve: a lot of animal feed is fish-based afaik
The20YearIRCloud: Then of that 67m tons of feedstock, animals (Depending on breed) are 15%-20% efficient at taking the BSFL feedstock and converting it to actual on-animal weight
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The20YearIRCloud: So, an extra 13.4m tons of meat per year from recycling the waste through BSFLs.
HeySteve: nice
The20YearIRCloud: Wouldn't be a terrible thing if more places converted, but the problem starts to become that if you free-range animals (Cows and pigs, which are the largest waste producers by far), you can't effectively go out and get that waste
The20YearIRCloud: it has to be from indoor breeding/feeding areas
HeySteve: right. you're better off with collecting organic waste from other sources in that case
HeySteve: I've got a restaurant and greengrocer onboard for eg.
The20YearIRCloud: and how many pounds of meat will they produce a month from the BSFL?
HeySteve: and as in that video, sewage will seem to work too
The20YearIRCloud: At 100% of the animal waste produced converted to food, it'll take care of 5% of the total US meat demand
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ puppet comment leave you a little rustled?
HeySteve: well I know with fish, there's a method which achieves nearly 1:1 feed to weight conversion
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla was that your intention
jurov: btw, i loved that quip about coffee grounds
HeySteve: so using BSFL and tilapia, that could be done
HeySteve: (in theory)
The20YearIRCloud: I'm a real big fan of tilapia
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla well?
The20YearIRCloud: because from what I hear you can take raw farm waste (essentially corn silage) and feed it to them
The20YearIRCloud: that'd be quite interesting
HeySteve: hmm well, they will eat many things but to get good growth they want high protein feed
The20YearIRCloud: The thing with tilapia is that they eat like crazy on just about anything
The20YearIRCloud: the big holdback on tilapia is oxygen concentration. They breed like crazy to the point that they'll kill themselves
HeySteve: right but they only breed above about 28^ centigrade
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i was drinking last night but still, that's my impression
HeySteve: and at high concentration, they will prioritise feeding over breeding
HeySteve: but yeah, the more dissolved oxygen you can get the water to carry, the more densely you can stock them
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla what is it based on? intuition...
The20YearIRCloud: Yeah, and that's what i see as the primary problem
The20YearIRCloud: although here some guys are going to pure oxygen injection in the water
HeySteve: well I am going to test out an impeller system
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla i am curious to your line of thought
The20YearIRCloud: That's the more cost effective way to do it i think. I was looking at a 24/7 air compressor
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_, just a whisper, i hear it in my ghost but seriously, you never answered http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-09-2014#839995
assbot: Logged on 22-09-2014 18:18:35; mircea_popescu: julia_ well there's two specific things there. bitcoiners don't like amir because he's an idiot, and many people don't like berwick after that chile gulch real estate fraud episode. what exactly is your association ?
Dimsler: cazalla, Julia is a novice bitcoiner
Dimsler: she doesn't understand
HeySteve: yeah a motor to run an impeller with a tube to draw oxygen down to the blades, I believe it will work well
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla +mircea_popescu didn;t see that sorry- you guys do realize I literally know evryone in the space and am "associated" with everyone, depending on how you look at it.
Dimsler: lol
HeySteve: the turbulence *should* stop it becoming a giant fish blender... might put on some kinda mesh just in case
Dimsler: you're just associated with the mainstream clownery
JuliaTourianski_: if i'm associated with everyone, then who is pulling my strings?
JuliaTourianski_: amir? mainstream?
Dimsler: yes ofcourse
Dimsler: amir taaki and the etherium clowns
JuliaTourianski_: you just dismissed a huge chunk of the btc space based on nothing.
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ given i've seen a lot of you and paul joseph watson (alex jones puppet), perhaps that is the direction i should start
Dimsler: yeah i know
Dimsler: even went to the bilderberg group
Dimsler: alex jones that clown
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla ive been on infowars, keiser, bbc, fox news - so who is it pulling my strings?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, amir was cool when he wasn't a pure drughead
Dimsler: years ago
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler I'm friends with everyone in the declaration video..that's a lot of ppl, so whcih ones are pulling my strings? don;t cherry pick eh
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_, i said earler i don't know
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla don't cherry pick info.
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla yeah you don;t know- maybe there's not much to know.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, the question was pretty innocent
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt?
HeySteve: JuliaTourianski_ did u interview the hexayurt designer in that video posted above?
Dimsler: no we don't care in here that you have a vagina
JuliaTourianski_: yeah i did
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'd be even more suspect if you were black
JuliaTourianski_: everyone cares. lol it's naive to say you don;t
Dimsler: no seriously
Dimsler: you're in the wrong channel if you think that
JuliaTourianski_: it's not a sexist thing. it is what it is. it makes a difference both ways
HeySteve: ok well tell him he was wrong about GHash cartel monopolising Bitcoin mining as per anarchists: https://blockchain.info/pools?timespan=24hrs
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cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ as said vagina has nothing to do with it but a pretty girl is useful to get across the message, maybe you start making videos on ethereum soon?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, no, its because you're a public figure
HeySteve: that happened briefly but it didn't last
JuliaTourianski_: i have made 0 videos for anyone, so I'm confused with this whole convo
Dimsler: cazalla, no i think its the exact opposite
Dimsler: seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously?
Dimsler: like i think shes got her work cut out for her
JuliaTourianski_: I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works
Dimsler: Trace Mayer lol
cazalla: Dimsler, not really, this goes back to chat on how nigerians craft their emails
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler i have certain advantage being me, but yes, ppl don;t take me seriously. when i go to these conferences it's telling. and everyone thinks im there with my bf. I'm not complaining, becuase once they bother to speak to me I show them I'm actually into BTC and the judgement dies.
Dimsler: well why does it have to be armoury for storing offline wallets
Dimsler: what happend to just storing your wallet offline at home?
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla we all started out as a novice. I wrote that myself. i was inspired and excited. that's all. i wanted to bring the community together :) it was fun. u dont need to trust it
Dimsler: if you were perpetrating strict anarchy, independance would be critical
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler cuz you can do watch only wallets etc.
Dimsler: so yeah
Dimsler: completely unnecessary
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler I've been an anarchist a while. i was writing for mises.ca for a year prior to doing btc stuff
JuliaTourianski_: I didn;t come out of "nowhere" i was a lib since HS
Dimsler: mmm austrian school of economics
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler completely necessary
BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> I'm doing a guide on offline wallets using armory, and i was using armory for a year now and offered to do it. when that comes out u can say Trace Mayer is pulling my strings right? see how that works << Are you familiar with Armory's poor behavior?
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler the only reason the comment gets to me, is cuz I truly believe in everything I say and it sucks to be doubted in that. but I'm still fresh so fine. i don;t expect to be granted respect. I'll work for it. but dismissing people off the bat is just as bad no?
Dimsler: nobody has dismissed you?
JuliaTourianski_: +BingoBoingo they always work on their feedback no?
Dimsler: they don't
HeySteve: is the phone home issue fixed or what?
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler saying someone is behind my content is dismissive ye
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: I mean the user phoning home stuff.
cazalla: julles, i'm not dismissing you or suggesting any sort of conspiracy but it raises ones suspicion when novice makes video and is seen with scammers the likes of amir, berwick, alex jones and his puppets
BingoBoingo: If they do that... What else can they do?
JuliaTourianski_: +BingoBoingo expand- last i saw was some reddit criticism they were addressing on privacy issues
mircea_popescu: !up Jondo
mircea_popescu: holy shit logs.
Dimsler: !up BCB
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Maybe she fell in with a rough crowd.
Dimsler: lol
danielpbarron: JuliaTourianski_, you're really digging -assets, huh?
BCB: Dimsler: thx
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_ is going to get eaten alive
BingoBoingo: !s Armory phone home
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: what is your first language
Dimsler: shes russian
Dimsler: i can't tell if born or not
mircea_popescu: how did you come to that conclusion ?
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla amir is a ot a scammer. alex...I'm deciding on alex. ive spoken to him personally since, and I dont like the direction he's going lately. berwick is berwick. how about the rest of the ppl in there? all scammers?
Dimsler: cause shes got an accent
BCB: French Canadian?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, yes
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mircea_popescu: Dimsler accents make girls be eaten out ?
Dimsler: oh noo
danielpbarron: lol, "berwick is berwick." the polite way to say someone is a weirdo
JuliaTourianski_: +BingoBoingo im sorry hun, i dunno what that means. all i know I've been using armory. and it's rated to be the most secure by vitalik and I trust robots :D
BCB: She sounds like Celine dion
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, vitalik is a complete moron
danielpbarron: you trust vitalik??
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: I dun really trust Vitalik
Dimsler: wahahahha
Dimsler: vitalik
JuliaTourianski_: +BCB fuck off. that's the worst thing anyone has said to me yet :P
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, i knew vitalik when he was in waterloo
Dimsler: buying bitcoins off me
Dimsler: ages ago
Dimsler: complete fucking boob
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: be nice. just tell us your first language.
Dimsler: with his idiotic ponzi etherium scheme
JuliaTourianski_: I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good
Dimsler: armory is not good
mircea_popescu: lmao celine dion.
JuliaTourianski_: +BCB it's russian
Dimsler: myth dispselled
BCB: Dimsler: you can't deny Vitalik's intelligence
Dimsler: can
Dimsler: fully deny vitaliks intelligence
mircea_popescu: BCB wut ?!
danielpbarron: "i don't trust him but i trust him." hm, ok
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: interesting...
BCB: mircea_popescu: Vitalik is a smart guy
Dimsler: vitalik is not a smart guy
Dimsler: what are you talking about
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler trust me...i know all there is to know about the ethereum issues. i wont comment further
mircea_popescu: i dun see it.
cazalla: !up julles
Dimsler: ethereium is a joke
mircea_popescu: what makes you think vitalik is smart ?
BCB: Dimsler: We can disagree
Dimsler: sure
BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> I dont trust him either but I trust him to know if armory is good << The way trust works is if you dun trust someone, you can't trust them to tell you icecream is good.
BCB: mircea_popescu: I've read his writing. He is one of the most articulate writers on bitcoin.
Dimsler: man didn't amir lose a toe or something
Dimsler: in that hilarious compound these crackheads were staying at?
mircea_popescu: BCB specifically.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, whats amirs drug of choice?
danielpbarron: well he's smart enough to figure out a way to get 30k BTC out of all the fools who aren't patient enough to just buy Bitcoin and hold it
JuliaTourianski_: anyways. my point is, look at the big picture. there are good people in the declaration vid. most importantly it's a message I strongly believe in. so scammers or not, the message stays the same.
Dimsler: danielpbarron, vitalik is broke
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you have much to learn.
Dimsler: he sold all his bitcoins for a few t-shirts
BCB: mircea_popescu: I don't buy Etherium and I have know idea of his coding skills but he is a good writer.
mircea_popescu: BCB you are not saying anything specific.
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler he likes psychedelics & M
Dimsler: Tolstoy is a good writer
mircea_popescu: "x is smart" "why" "because i think he is" "why" "because he is"
mircea_popescu: wd, but that's idiocy in action.
mircea_popescu: !up julles
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu yes I do.
BCB: mircea_popescu: he has a broad knowledge of the bitcoin echosphere. Have you ever meet him in person?
julles: cazalla, hi, sorry I never introduced myslef. I'm julles, I like what you guy do and have no relation whatsoever with the julles you're thinking of ;)
danielpbarron: what's with this +nickname thing? what client does that?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, the people you have in that video
Dimsler: mean jack shit for bitcoin
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ take the case of jeff. he's an idiot, and now a fraudster. not for any reason than misassociation.
mircea_popescu: generally speaking, the most damage you can do to yourself is associating yourself with idiots and scammers
mircea_popescu: a point shrem is not able to regret enough.
Dimsler: yes
Dimsler: well shrem straigh tup
Dimsler: funded a tonne of silkroaders
Dimsler: and he knew about it
Dimsler: and he also laundered everyones elses cash
Dimsler: bless that man
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu there are a lot of ppl in the vid. the non scammers whoever u may think they are cancel out the scammers, whoever u think they are
mircea_popescu: so no, this scummy "oh the message is nice anyway" carries no water.
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu ya'll are cherry picking.
BCB: Dimsler: and he'll get less then 5 years
mircea_popescu: a bottle of wine does not cancel out a cupful of sewage.,
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, are you kidding?
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu one or two rotten cherries don;t kill the tree
mircea_popescu: it works the other way around.
BCB: for copping a plea and being an informant
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, how about shrem is a rat
JuliaTourianski_: ahah semantics now
Dimsler: and completely cooperated and ratted out half of the btc community
JuliaTourianski_: did u see the LINE i gave shrem
JuliaTourianski_: "we are in an age of appropriation, and nothing is immune"
mircea_popescu: i did not.
mircea_popescu: uh... mkay ?
JuliaTourianski_: is that lost on u lot?
mircea_popescu: that dun make much sense to me
Dimsler: i get the pun
Dimsler: i mean whats the point?
Dimsler: shrem wasn't some god
JuliaTourianski_: he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked.
Dimsler: lol guy also sold out early
mircea_popescu: jurov: can prolly be crowdsourced << jurov is on fucking fire lmao
Dimsler: lol
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ soooo ?
JuliaTourianski_: so the line is perfect.
mircea_popescu: it's not that "he worked" and "thinking" etc. he made a career out of thinking he knows better than me,
Dimsler: how the fuck can you be an anarchist living in canada anyway
mircea_popescu: and now he'll make a career out of prison lyf.
Dimsler: the most communist socialized shit hole
JuliaTourianski_: he thought he was immune and he wasn't . lesson learned maybe. he's a good guy, ppl make mistakes
Dimsler: on the entire planet
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_> he worked with lawsky, thinking it would give him immunity for regulation and then he was fucked. << This is why you can't plea out ever.
mircea_popescu: this "people make mistakes" bull is much too soft for btc.
Dimsler: yeah i know
mircea_popescu: generally people make one mistake.
Dimsler: nobody makes mistakes in btc LOL
BCB: +1
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu u guys seem to have personal man beef with a lot of these ppl. this is where being a blonde girl helps, no egos.
ben_vulpes: nah, i just have a lot of man beef.
mircea_popescu: nothing personal whatsoever.
JuliaTourianski_: ahhaha
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, yeah honestly we don't really care
Dimsler: those guys don't effect bitcoin
Dimsler: or its growth
mircea_popescu: it's just that the gear switch from derpyland to btcland is bound to culture shock a little.
JuliaTourianski_: so what has the jury decided? whose pulling my strings? alex jones? berwik? amir? shrem? ahah
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: should should put captions with the speakers names. I don't recognize half those guys
Dimsler: we are ruling that anyone that gives you attention
JuliaTourianski_: that would look gaudy
mircea_popescu: BCB that's the tell tale sign of a good btc expert
JuliaTourianski_: there are credits down below
mircea_popescu: never seen before.
JuliaTourianski_: in the order of speaker
Dimsler: oh lawdy
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler ahah therefore everyone
BCB: mircea_popescu: ha. Everybody is a fucking expert these days
Dimsler: BCB, no? no wai?
JuliaTourianski_: bruce fenton and patrick byrne are pulling them. i admit it!
mircea_popescu: expert is what junior used to be in the 90s
BCB: Dimsler: I heard even you are an expert now.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, maybe we should buy shit on overstock?
kakobrekla: ;;google ciphershed
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mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ he your bf or something ?
Dimsler: you guys remember when reddit blew up, claiming overstock drove up the price of bitcoin?
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu everyone is my bf obviously
Dimsler: nooo
Dimsler: beta orbiters
Dimsler: not boyfriends
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu who would write my content otherwise?
mircea_popescu: Dimsler is a beta orbiter what i imagine it is ?
JuliaTourianski_: bahaha
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mircea_popescu: ie, this derpy dude spinning around some chick in the hopes that one day he can ask her things and she'll propose they be friends ?
Dimsler: yes
mircea_popescu: check me out i can guess teenthings!
Dimsler: well Julia is still here
Dimsler: i guess she staying?
Dimsler: can we at least get some nuds?
Dimsler: nudes
mircea_popescu: i'm hoping she amounts to more than that other chick, what was her name.
mircea_popescu: the one that did the beg videos and then was never seen again
Dimsler: long and forgetten
Duffer1: the reporter?
Duffer1: i forget..
mircea_popescu: nono. brunette.
jurov: saffron?
mircea_popescu: a right!
mircea_popescu: had that snazzy vid to gif website
cazalla: she has some new bitcoin videos
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ so you see yourself mostly as a blogger/radio host/whatever that way ? pundit-like ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla nething good ?
Dimsler: i can't figure out what agenda shes pushing
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: who chooses Jeffrey Tucker's bowties?
Dimsler: the first few videos she had were good
Dimsler: about actual anarchy
Dimsler: then it turned into a btc obsession
mircea_popescu: Dimsler who you talking about ?
Dimsler: Julia
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu ew
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JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler why cant i have my own agenda?
mircea_popescu: Dimsler why does she have to have an agenda ?
Dimsler: interesting
Dimsler: well as an outspoken individual offering themselves up as a gladiator to entertain
BingoBoingo: The20YearIRCloud: And it gets alot of talk that isn't true either. Solar just can't keep up with peak energy demands << Who says solar has to get everyone powered to work?
Dimsler: there should be something to solute
mircea_popescu: is Jeffrey Tucker the guy that split from mises.org some time back ?
mircea_popescu: i recall there was some drama but don't recall the drama.
Dimsler: hence i'm curious about what the agenda is
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler most ppl seem to be obsessed with btc. i did because it;s the onyl way anarchy can function scalabley
cazalla: if there was ever a guy still in the closet..
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BCB: mircea_popescu: He runs liberty.me
mircea_popescu: darn you cazalla cockblocking my !b's
cazalla: lol
mircea_popescu: and matt drudge is more in the closet.
mircea_popescu: ever seen the man's hats ?!
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, yes bitcoin would allow anarchy to function, but so can many other things through history
JuliaTourianski_: by most ppl i mean, ppl either get obsessed or not. either in the woods or outside
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler disagree
Dimsler: well then you've obviously haven't read much history
mircea_popescu: what's the definition of anarchy we're working on ?
Dimsler: seeing as anarchism has been rampant
mircea_popescu: "it's my hot body and i can do what i want" ?
Dimsler: up until the mid 1800s
jurov: anarchy will rule!!1
cazalla: in the woods or outside, blockchain technology, the other 6 billion, enough with the fucking platitudes, you're sounding more and more like andreas JuliaTourianski_
Dimsler: dont mention
Dimsler: andreas in here
Dimsler: please
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler tribalism maybe, this is the first time I think anarchy could work on a large scale becuase the blockchain offers a very practical set of tools for operating economy, trade, legal systems etc, in a trustless fashion. so I got obsessed ye.
Dimsler: all of that
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ you still haven't said what you mean by "anarchy"
Dimsler: operated on pen and paper
Dimsler: lol
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler i like andreas a lot
mircea_popescu: you would lol
Dimsler: andreas was great
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu absence of state
Dimsler: right up until he became bitcoin jesus' bitch
BCB: Andreas is a bitcoin expert
Dimsler: andreas is such a bitcoin expert that he doesn't have any
BCB: andreas is writing the bitcoin book
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ so then his point holds. anarchy is prevalent historically.
Dimsler: mircea_popescu, fuck yeah it is
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu Anselme Bellegarrigue style
Dimsler: no horse shit
mircea_popescu: nm teh style.
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu I don't disagree. but it was always on a smaller scale.
mircea_popescu: !up dnaleor
Dimsler: smaller scale
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ what's your definition of scale ?
Dimsler: what the fuck are you talking about?
Dimsler: during the french revolution only %7 of the people spoke french
JuliaTourianski_: allocation of resources is an issue, fuller says that's the role of gov systems really. once we scarcity is resolved we don;t need their infrastructure
Dimsler: i mean german fairy tales
Dimsler: before napoleon came and raped germany
mircea_popescu: scarcity resolved ?
Dimsler: were of the "times that were"
mircea_popescu: what nonsense is this, bitcoin is scarce by definition.
punkman: 3d printing!!!111
Dimsler: where every kingdom was 15km down the road
Dimsler: plenty of anarchy amongst monarchy
Dimsler: if youw ant to talk about civilized history
JuliaTourianski_: we tocuhed on this with vinay, solving shelter, clean water, food, disease, injury
JuliaTourianski_: energy is the last peice
mircea_popescu: you're being ridiculous.
JuliaTourianski_: well anarchy exists everywhere, but as a black system a lot of the time
JuliaTourianski_: all russians would have starved without anarchy. with black markets, only many starved.
JuliaTourianski_: in the soviet union i mean
Dimsler: ofcourse they did
Dimsler: but if you want to talk about communism
punkman: there's no black market without state
Dimsler: exactly
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, born in russia or canada?
mircea_popescu: punkman the state of her words is very very disorganised.
Dimsler: yes
JuliaTourianski_: with the blockchain we have a possible was to just avoid gov, discreetly, building alt systems until it falls away. before, most anarchistic societies were destroyed by gov.
Dimsler: i remember when i was a kid
JuliaTourianski_: born in the soviet union.
Dimsler: my grandma got a ticket for 2 washing machines
Dimsler: while we needed a fridge
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ if your "we" includes the derps a la taaki, derpopoulous etc, no, "we" has no chance to anything but talk
Dimsler: went right to the market with the washing machine
Dimsler: if you want to talk about communism and its blackmarket
Dimsler: then %40 of the economy in russia was blackmarket
Dimsler: if you want to apply that to canada
Dimsler: wher eyou live now, its about %90 communist
Dimsler: and %8 black market
Dimsler: if not considerably less
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu i know u have a personal vendetta against taaki so I'll dismiss you vehement criticism of him due to ur bias
Dimsler: taaki is just a fucking joke
mircea_popescu: vehement criticism does not equate bias
Dimsler: he should have stayed off the fucking drugs
Dimsler: and kept workign and programming
mircea_popescu: and i do not have a PERSONAL vendetta against taaki. i just flatten idiots
JuliaTourianski_: I'm not here to defend Taaki
Dimsler: not sitting around squating in a flat
Dimsler: and losing his toe
mircea_popescu: if he weren't an idiot he wouldn't have been flattened.
Dimsler: !up BCB
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, lies
punkman: taaki's not a person, can't have personal vendetta
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
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mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ that's fine, but the problem is the thought process. you tend to go for this words because words because more words approach. it's not very sound.
JuliaTourianski_: what's wrong with squatting?
mircea_popescu: the opposite of autonomy ?
JuliaTourianski_: paying rent to a lord is empowering?
Dimsler: i know
Dimsler: pfft no
mircea_popescu: having the ability to pay rent or not is.
Dimsler: i know
mircea_popescu: not having that ability is not.
JuliaTourianski_: empty building paid by taxes.
BingoBoingo: <JuliaTourianski_> what's wrong with squatting? << Well, apparently this is the healthier way to poop
Dimsler: money is what buys freedom
Dimsler: no see horse shit
Dimsler: your idea of anarchism
Dimsler: is living in a hippy fucking hexyurt
mircea_popescu: Dimsler you'll hafta start making full sentences.
JuliaTourianski_: when did i say that
Dimsler: i know
JuliaTourianski_: hexyurt is a great option for emergency housing
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Dimsler: how does a hexyurt provide any sort of anarchistical resource?
JuliaTourianski_: squatting is a great option to work on projects full time and not spent funding money of rent
BCB: She used to be a movie star
JuliaTourianski_: on*
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, a squatter is a slave
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler erm. lost me
Dimsler: they only way to buy freedom, and live as an anarchist is to obtain wealth
Dimsler: to free yourself
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ except after full time of working on "projects" the only results are some scams and some ridicule.
mircea_popescu: would have been better if he picked a honest job.
Dimsler: yes
mircea_popescu: something with bags and groceries.
mircea_popescu: i can appreciate EVERYONE wants to be cool important and a mind worker.
mircea_popescu: not everyone can. no matter how desperately they want to.
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu not true. libbitcoin
mircea_popescu: human intelligence is the ultimate scarce resource
mircea_popescu: and its scarcity scales with availability, so it's un"resolvable"
BingoBoingo: JuliaTourianski_: tents r shit << Tents are Awesome!!!
Dimsler: i know
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ his contribution to libbitcoin is the same as with bitcoin itself : he gofer'd coffee for the people involved.
Dimsler: how are tents shit? when they've been used for centuries
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ http://www.imdb.com/name/nm4587443/ << is this actually yours ?
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Duffer1: tents r shit :P
JuliaTourianski_: ahahahah wow u guys really dig
mircea_popescu: 8.1/10 rating 50 viewers, was that gamed a little ?
JuliaTourianski_: honest job...you sound a little boxed in
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: i mean... ben hur is 8.1/10
mircea_popescu: the truman show 8.0. cmon :)
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu fan boys liked it and rated it i guess
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu the valve lovers are strong
mircea_popescu: i guess so
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu i didn't like it. maybe ill rate it down
cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ and you shit on half life?
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu thought it was an epic waste of time...yet I retained my editing skills so hey!
JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla the games are pure wicked
JuliaTourianski_: almost fucking died making episode 3 and they didint even bother finishing it. bleh
mircea_popescu: these +s remind me : JuliaTourianski_ if you actually get a client you get various benefiuts, such as a log, and autocomplete names and stuff.
JuliaTourianski_: FUNNY thing, the director is not a BTC millionare
JuliaTourianski_: now*
JuliaTourianski_: funny how money makes ppl quit productivity sometimes...maybe amir is onto something here
mircea_popescu: who, david purchase ?
JuliaTourianski_: ye
mircea_popescu: good for him.
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu "I am the richest man you've met, and If I can help it, I'll be the richest man you've ever met"
mircea_popescu: who's that ?
JuliaTourianski_: ring a bell?
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu that's the first thing you said to me after attempting to troll me
mircea_popescu: lol figures. i attempted to troll you ?!
BCB: don't fuck with JuliaTourianski_ http://youtu.be/4lyUNs7eNhs?t=40s
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mircea_popescu: !s "the richest man you've met"
Duffer1: space glock
JuliaTourianski_: bahahaha i hate it so much
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_: +cazalla would u think the same if I was a dude in a t-shirt? <<< hard to know, but i think the last dude in a tshirt to try the entire reddit thing here was kamela or something
JuliaTourianski_: I'm no actress. i was ued for my russian skillz
JuliaTourianski_: used*
Duffer1: no you're not bad at all
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: did you get to "Make it" with that guy before he get's killed?
mircea_popescu: tim sweeny or w/e his name was didn't quite have the youthful flexibility and so he ended up butchered
mircea_popescu: but iirc on the 2nd pass byrne managed somewhat.
JuliaTourianski_: +BCB if I wanted to I did. If
JuliaTourianski_: I didin;t want to I didn't
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BCB: JuliaTourianski_: in the movie i mean
mircea_popescu: o you do don't you.
Duffer1: BCB5:40
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: not in real life. Everyone bangs on movie sets
JuliaTourianski_: +BCB there's a makeout scene. I wonder why he wrote that in there.
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: is that guy the director also?
mircea_popescu: probably because you have to have something for youtube to iconize
JuliaTourianski_: ye
mircea_popescu: Dimsler: seriously whose going to take a cute blonde girl seriously? << me, for one.
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: of course he is!
BCB: Dimsler: She seems to be holding her own in here. I'll take her seriously.
mircea_popescu: i guess if we decide to off Dimsler we'll send cute blonde assassins after him.
JuliaTourianski_: I seem to be doing a lot of things lately
The20YearIRCloud: HeySteve: seems most efficient animals (fish & chicken) are 1.2 to 2 pounds of input per pound of meat
mircea_popescu: cazalla: JuliaTourianski_ i'm just saying i don't trust random novice who starts making videos declaring bitcoin's independence with other known scammers << while this is actually sound, the problem with youth is that it wants to act. which is also sound. so novices with drive will often first show up in dubious company.
mircea_popescu: intel didn't manage to find any actual shilling, so whadda ya want.
HeySteve: sounds about right, The20YearIRCloud, but like I said there's a "hack" for tilapia which brings it to 1:1 or even below!
HeySteve: check out biofloc if you're interested
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu I believe in a free market. my impressionable mind is fair game. get it while it's hot. sculpt me in your image. pull my strings. I'm young. don;t miss out! your future is at stake!
HeySteve: in fact, I seem to remember someone mentioning 0.5:1 feed to weight conversion, which is pretty astounding
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ i'm more of a stationary sculpting mechanism. which is why the "pick something to do" thing.
mircea_popescu: HeySteve now that's gotta be impossible.
mircea_popescu: nobody cancelled mass conservation just yet.
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu more for the "scammers" then
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mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ well what do you want me to do, tell you what to do ?!
mircea_popescu: BCB is it a traditional marriage ? :D
BCB: mircea_popescu: I was wondering that.
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, the hack is that gill-feeding fish also absorb algae and plankton colonies from the water, you just need to seed the water with carbon to encourage colony growth
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu no honey, i was being facetious
BCB: mircea_popescu: they are getting married at Disney so probabaly!
mircea_popescu: unconvincingly so.
BCB: mircea_popescu: a gay couple wouldn't be caught dead getting married at disney
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu depends on the receiving end in this case
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ anyway, what ever happened to anjiecast ? she got married or what.
mircea_popescu: BCB not campy enough ?
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu> whose that
cazalla: she's been trolling 4chan mircea_popescu
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mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ andrea castillo
JuliaTourianski_: she got me on here in the first place
mircea_popescu: cazalla lol noob.
danielpbarron: lol why is "problematic" a hashtag?
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ yeah but the last n umlaut posts are by that gurri newb
mircea_popescu: and generally, haven't seen her in a while
kakobrekla: #i #do #what #i #want
mircea_popescu: #kakobrekla #tagging #language
kakobrekla: #ktl #noob
JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron *pats her troll on the head* aww
mircea_popescu: ;;ud ktl
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mircea_popescu: you called me a hashnigger ?!
kakobrekla: #nfi #atthispoint
mircea_popescu: #a#obre#la
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JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron what's wrong? you don;t wanna troll me in front of your friends?
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mircea_popescu: so much win. i knew plastering us college campuses with fliers of that article won't be wasted.
mircea_popescu: this, dear everyone, is what i call thought leadersheep
Dimsler: lol
Dimsler: thats a good one
danielpbarron: JuliaTourianski_, say what you like :D
JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron I always do
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, thats ok we'll troll you enough
JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron it was ok when I wasn't in here ye? im dissapointed
kakobrekla: also slander available.
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, don't upset your beta orbiters
JuliaTourianski_: never!
danielpbarron: not sure i catch your meaning; you seem to be enjoying yourself
Dimsler: she sits right in
kakobrekla: you mean right on?
JuliaTourianski_: +danielpbarron I'll call you europa
Dimsler: !up BCB
BCB: Thx
Duffer1: oh snap
BCB: mircea_popescu: what is your take on GABI
BCB: any opinion
mircea_popescu: which gabi.
JuliaTourianski_: +Duffer1 crackle n' pop
BCB: mircea_popescu: Global Advisors Bitcoin Investment Fund
BCB: Isle of Man
mircea_popescu: nothing particular.
Duffer1: sounds like a scam
Dimsler: lol
Dimsler: must steal btc
mircea_popescu: the guy was with jp, if it's actually him
Dimsler: lol tell me where the fund on the NYSE is?
Dimsler: what happend to the winkle twins?
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
Duffer1: working their way through red tape
BCB: Dimsler: they are waiting for a ruling
JuliaTourianski_: what projects in the BTC space do you guys like? if any...these conferences seem to be full of frat boys wanting to be men, with projects...many of which seem to be solving the same problem that doesn't exist.
Dimsler: oh common
Duffer1: cardano
Duffer1: minigame
Dimsler: pimp coin
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, we need more cam 4 btc websites.
mircea_popescu: Dimsler srsly now.
Dimsler: srs answer to srs question
mircea_popescu: JuliaTourianski_ i like mpex, bitbet, s.nsa, war of life, minigame etc.
mircea_popescu: i also own parts of em
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, ever saw the nsa tshirt ?
JuliaTourianski_: +mircea_popescu haven't heard of any of those. probably a good sign
BCB: Dimsler: not really. I've NEVER seen a girl on line on this site! http://titsforbitcoin.com/
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Dimsler: BCB, i was just playing sarcastaball with Julia
Duffer1: mircea_popescu, shirt?
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: The conferences are place where guys pump there Press Releases looking for dumb money.
Dimsler: the conferences are for people without bitcoins
Dimsler: to pump up the price of my coins
Dimsler: with empty promises and shinanigans
JuliaTourianski_: I'm aware
BCB: Dimsler: I think it's a great use case but it's not catching on yet.
JuliaTourianski_: I mainly go as a social experiment
Duffer1: how many phone numbers can you get?
JuliaTourianski_: something like that
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: They are all the same after a while. Same speakers. Same stories. Same empty promises
Dimsler: lol when do we get your number?
JuliaTourianski_: that's an easy thing to predict though. im not that easily entertained
BCB: JuliaTourianski_: which conferences have you been to so far
JuliaTourianski_: toronto, chicago and the recent inside btc in london
JuliaTourianski_: vegas next
BCB: Vegas was a shit show last year
kakobrekla think julia might be a good candidate for ba reception
JuliaTourianski_: i learned a lot at each one, not from the conference itself tho
BCB: The Inside Media/Mackler Media show suck
Dimsler: did you learn the part about how each of those conferences
Dimsler: has this particulate stench of greed
Dimsler: in the air?
Duffer1: $conference
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JuliaTourianski_: u mean stench of desperation?
Dimsler: lol i once heard a guy tell me that he can't wait for the $50k/btc
BCB: empyex: where?
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, current serious projects at this point are mostly in limbo
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Dimsler: ironcing out the kinks in better exchanging
Dimsler: JuliaTourianski_, unless you're refering to developments in blockchain itself
Dimsler: if you want to artculate the blockchain as its own entity, then theres a few projects on contracts and signatures, and encryption
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler indeed. blockchain dev has been very slow and for good reason. maybe VIAcoin will help. permisionless dev...testing ground of sorts could be helpful
Dimsler: well no
Dimsler: altcoins are things to be extremely wearyoff
BCB: Duffer1: Layover in Istanbul ??
Dimsler: very few provide even a proof of concept
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler i know. this one feels pragmatic
JuliaTourianski_: +Dimsler foundation simply pushed for payment improvements it seems
Dimsler: the founation at this point has little say
Duffer1: bcb hehe it's not my shindig ask MP
Dimsler: which is a good thing
Dimsler: bitcoin is at a poitn where it operates rather autonomously
Dimsler: and anyone who needs bitcoin at this point already knows about it
JuliaTourianski_: this is great btw- http://imgur.com/m3Wbxxa
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
Dimsler: hence the stagnated growth / wallet creation rate
assbot: boycott systemd
decimation: I don't accept that growth is a valid measure of bitcoin's 'success'
Dimsler: nobody said it was
Dimsler: bitcoin is already a success
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9970 @ 0.00074895 = 7.467 BTC [-]
Dimsler: but the cost per transaction is still high
Dimsler: need to get back down to $1-2
kakobrekla: i _can_ send any amount for free. anyone can.
Dimsler: well no don't sell that line to Julia
Dimsler: shes probably more interested about the actual inner workings
HeySteve: decimation, that link was funnier when I thought it referred to the black market
kakobrekla: (if its not clear to anyone, the trick is in the size and shape of unspent outputs)
BingoBoingo: HeySteve: But that one is spelt with a space and a Capital D
HeySteve: true but people waving "boycott Silk Road now!" banners is an amusing thought
Dimsler: lol
Dimsler: i think SK 2.0 is so fucking massive
Dimsler: now
HeySteve: did they pay back everything yet?
danielpbarron: HeySteve, I think I heard thst they did
mats_cd03: this is the most activity in ages
mats_cd03: how are we all doing tonight?
Duffer1: wasteland isn't as good as fallout :(
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 pretty good actually.
mats_cd03: !s golemxiv
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assbot: Slaves of England » Golem XIV - Thoughts
Duffer1: i like
mircea_popescu: * kakobrekla think julia might be a good candidate for ba reception << more practical to get local girls.
mircea_popescu: she may make a decent mpex rep but too soon to tell.
mircea_popescu: <Dimsler> current serious projects at this point are mostly in limbo << nope.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 i thought you had seen em
Duffer1: it's possible, my memory is not so good, but i believe i would have remembered that
assbot: A word about banks and the laundering of drug money » Golem XIV - Thoughts
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 whossat ?
mircea_popescu: BCB: Duffer1: Layover in Istanbul ?? << istanbul is lovely. ever been ?
kakobrekla: local to who?
Duffer1: i've never been out of the states
mats_cd03: not sure really. he writes things, i read them, and sometimes im happy
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla to the conference :)
mircea_popescu: decimation: lol > http://boycottsystemd.org/ << it'd have been pretty meta if the systemd ppl themselkves had reg'd that domain and made a parody antisite
assbot: boycott systemd
mats_cd03: it was this post that made me think he might be appropriate for this community. http://www.golemxiv.co.uk/2014/07/disloyal
assbot: The Disloyal » Golem XIV - Thoughts
mircea_popescu: "Needless to say these banks tend to be big banks – our banks. "
mircea_popescu: bout as idiotic as paper can carry tbh.
mats_cd03: perhaps i will leave him a mail, to put him on the right path
mircea_popescu: "I was in Timisoara Romania last week. Timisoara is a city of roughly 320k people on the Western edge of Romania. On the drive in to the city I was struck by the huge number of different banks I kept passing."
mircea_popescu: "because i tend to confuse tiny 500 sq feet retail bnaking outlets" with "banks"
mircea_popescu: "When I asked a group of a dozen of the city’s affluent professional class about the number of banks, they smiled and said"
mircea_popescu: "because i confuse kids with iphones working for alcatel doing tech support for 400e a month for affluent and professional"
mats_cd03: on the other hand, i am also new here and perhaps i should listen more and type less.
mircea_popescu: guy can't hurt anything, but he's likely to get very pissed off and leave in a huff
mircea_popescu: then again, who ever knows.
mircea_popescu: o wow auster died last year ?!
assbot: View from the Right
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5845 @ 0.00074938 = 4.3801 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: !up AdrianoOliveira
BingoBoingo: !up RBecker
AdrianoOliveira: thanks BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: !up RBecker
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 1878190.93 Est. Next Diff: 295074.81 in 918 blocks (#46368) Est. % Change: -84.29
assbot: SEC to pay $30 million in largest-ever whistleblower award - Chicago Tribune
hanbot: i wonder how long before people aspire to be whistleblowers 'stead of ceos
mircea_popescu: five years ?
mats_cd03: amazing pr
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
mircea_popescu: "Francis Fukuyama, in The Great Disruption, pretends to seek ways to reverse the “Great Disruption” of the Cultural Revolution, but then admits that there’s no way to restore the most important single aspect of our disrupted culture—sexual morality and monogamy. Furthermore, Fukuyama makes it clear that this is just fine with him."
mircea_popescu: where the fuck does this idiotic conflation of chastity and morality come from.
mircea_popescu: the logical equivalent would be to prosecute nonvegetarians for theft.
atcbot: Time Since Last ATC Block (#45450): 1 hour(s), 5 minutes
atcbot: >> No data returned from CoinMiner.net << [PityThePool Hashrate]: 12.22 GH/s [iSpace Pool Hashrate]: 1.22 TH/s
danielpbarron: depends what is meant by chastity, but I'd say the Bible
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt the bible makes the mistake.
danielpbarron: it's not that sexual intercourse is immoral; just certain kinds..
mircea_popescu: but at issue is the conflation.
mircea_popescu: "morality and monogamy" ? that's not biblical. it's not even mahomedanic.
danielpbarron: yep; got a point there
danielpbarron: that's one of the things so many false christians get hung up on; that most of the big names in the Bible had multiple wives and concubines (slave wives), and God never scolded them for it
mircea_popescu: well yahweh didn't live in queens.
danielpbarron: i like to use the plural "wives" when discussing my hypothetical future to see what kind of expression people make
mircea_popescu: people or women ? :D
danielpbarron: "i don't yet have any wives" "lol wat?"
mircea_popescu: they proly figure you for a mormon.
danielpbarron: yep and then I get to tell them about how mormonism is a false gospel
mircea_popescu: and then they buy you lunch ?
mats_cd03: dpb is a rl troll. i guess that makes sense
danielpbarron: "rl" == "real life?"
danielpbarron: what does "troll" even mean? I honestly believe the offensive things I say.
Vexual: like morolity and madness, the internet has over half the voters
Vexual: this is real life
mircea_popescu: troll no longer means any particular thing.
mircea_popescu: "someone i'd rather ignore" is probably the extension of it.
danielpbarron: it's like the word "cult;" it means "i don 't like you."
mircea_popescu: no, cult means "you're proceeding on software that I have nothing to do with and don't want anything to do with"
Vexual: islamic state is called a death cult here n state news
mircea_popescu: basically, like saying "windows"
Vexual: bunch of nutters
mats_cd03: i take it back, you are simply living a genuine life
mats_cd03: a rare thing in christians, in my experience
danielpbarron: so rare I've only ever met a few others who feel the same
mats_cd03: ma n pa being clergy, this is true praise.
Vexual: asciilifeform:" mircea_popescu: i can't have been the only boy who wanted a game machine that would physically damage you when you fuck up..." i reckons a week on lemonade stand hooked up to a taser should be some kinda mba equivalence
mats_cd03: on the subject of MBAs, i emptied a 'bitcoin atm' with 1.1btc operated by LibertyTeller the other day
mats_cd03: self funded by... wharton MBAs. i mean to empty them again and see how long the machines stick around
Vexual: do you mean you put dollar bills in?
mats_cd03: they can't possibly make roi
mats_cd03: http://libertyteller.com machines made by lamassu or w/e
assbot: Liberty Teller – First bitcoin ATM in the USA
Vexual: what rate did you get?
mats_cd03: 427 when spot was 410 iirc
Vexual: sounds like roi to me
mats_cd03: we shall see
Vexual: tommorrow it'll have 1.2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11237 @ 0.00075016 = 8.4295 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: do any of those fuckers take coins?
mats_cd03: no, that would probably 'enable money laundering' or something equally ludicrous
Vexual: yeah, i was thinking one could get all their wives and kids and cats and shit on the board of a non profit
mats_cd03: i tried to use a 2way btc atm at the hacker dojo in silicon valley
mats_cd03: iirc it needed palm print photo and govt id
mats_cd03: n prob rectotherm
Vexual: lol
mats_cd03: that is - palm print, photo, n govt id. 3 items.
Vexual: i don't have to do any of that if i choose to drop my loose change in the donation bag on a plane
Vexual: and you can bet more hat 10pc goes to someones wife
Vexual: or wives
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 wtf why would anyoen do that.
Vexual: they wouldnt
mats_cd03: dunno, i didn't, too orweillian for my taste
mats_cd03: if they went for just govt id i may have considered it
decimation: what recourse would a human have if they stole his credentials and used them criminally?
Vexual: they'd cash in a 20c priv key on the inside of a condom wrapper tho
mircea_popescu: decimation that they'd prolly not do it to just one human
mircea_popescu: same as any internet thing
Vexual: i think the recourse for steling a palm print might in fact be a palm print
Vexual: ad infinitum
BingoBoingo: !up fly0nth3wal1
mircea_popescu: fly0nth3wal1 listen fix your connection because all this join part spam wil result in a ban sooner or later.
Dimsler: lol looks like he just left and joined once?
mircea_popescu: like 50 times today.
ben_vulpes: so dates are lame, right?
mircea_popescu: the fruit ? no, i love them.
ben_vulpes: i want to timestamp a thing, i just put the hash of the latest block in in it and then sign the fucker. counterparty ibid, presto, contract pinned to blockchain.
ben_vulpes: what is time, anyways...
ben_vulpes: now, a specific block in the chain - that means something.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes supposedly something that's going to automate that is getting delivered this month
mircea_popescu: the fabled b-a deeds registrar.
ben_vulpes: i tell ya, if i and my counterparty agree on a block, what's the point?
ben_vulpes: ask i mean to say.
mircea_popescu: it protects you from data loss, if nothing else.
mircea_popescu: it allows you to pin down a date w/o a cp
mircea_popescu: numerous advantages really.
ben_vulpes: how does this date pinning work?
ben_vulpes: whose computer, what tz, and why even bother with time?
mircea_popescu: dja recall the spec ?
ben_vulpes: spec seems like formal term
ben_vulpes: i read some shit on irc one time
ben_vulpes: ya plz, the log'd benefit.
mircea_popescu: it's there about 5x
ben_vulpes: depends on assbot notion of time.
ben_vulpes: or whomevers.
mircea_popescu: no, because a digest of your thing will be included in a block.
mircea_popescu: so it becomes part of the blockchain notion of time, and verifyably so.
ben_vulpes: digest of thing is related to time how?
ben_vulpes is frantically searching on digest algos
ben_vulpes: the point i'm making (poorly) is that the block is a nifty fundamental unit of time.
ben_vulpes: not terribly useful for measuring, say, stamina in bed
ben_vulpes: but adequate for pinning events to history.
mircea_popescu: i usually last a coupla blocks...
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> digest of thing is related to time how? << by being a tx in a block
ben_vulpes: when did that block happen?
ben_vulpes: when it was found? broadcast? accepted by first node? achieved 51% acceptance?
ben_vulpes: even "time" must bow to the blockchain.
mircea_popescu: when it was mined yes.
ben_vulpes: whose clock?
mircea_popescu: the block's.
mircea_popescu: blocks include a timestamp.
ben_vulpes: A timestamp is accepted as valid if it is greater than the median timestamp of previous 11 blocks, and less than the network-adjusted time + 2 hours. "Network-adjusted time" is the median of the timestamps returned by all nodes connected to you.
ben_vulpes: now, clearly, i'm not reading source right now.
mircea_popescu: these are block accepting rules. irrespective of this, all blocks contain a timestamp.
mircea_popescu: once a block is part of the blockchain, its timestamp as declared is part of the history of the world
mircea_popescu: and not disputable on lesser terms
mircea_popescu: which for this purpose means, any other terms.
ben_vulpes: i'm rolling my eyes so hard at you my head hurts
mircea_popescu: if block 322121says it's been mined on 2014-09-23 03:24:19, then that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: irrespective of how that time was arrived at.
ben_vulpes: that just means that the consensual time thing is poorly fucking engineered.
Dimsler: yes
mircea_popescu: it just means the previous, fiat approach to creating an arbitrary timeline has been replaced by a bitcoin, similarly arbitrary approach
mircea_popescu: which is just how it should be after all.
ben_vulpes: still, rolling eyes. the only important thing is which block the event confirmed in.
ben_vulpes: timestamp being an artifact of derps.
mircea_popescu: and stamina in bed.
ben_vulpes: if you need precise time measures, watch an atom wobble. if you need "thing happened at time", measure it by block number.
mircea_popescu: sure, no dispute there.
mircea_popescu: my observation was that as long as you're implementing this, you're better off with the b-a registrar than with your "include block hash and sign"
mircea_popescu: because the include block hash only puts a minimum into the pie, not a maximum. the deeds registrar does both.
ben_vulpes: sure.
ben_vulpes: registrar doth not confer time magically, though
mircea_popescu: it does, in the sense of "block height"
mircea_popescu: and that is what time means anyway, entirely, as discussed above.
ben_vulpes: which supports my point of block interval as fundamental unit of time.
mircea_popescu: nolo contendere.
ben_vulpes: so long as we're on the same page.
ben_vulpes: anyways, the butternut squash and ricotta gnocchi are up and i'm caught up on logs so meditate on what else beyond time bitcoin might break on its wheel y'all.
ben_vulpes: (and hey - what's Vexual doing on so early!?)
Vexual: thinking about relativity as allways
Vexual got fired
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