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(trilema) ben_vulpes: kakobrekla: hah no wai recently?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so i've pushed my 0.5.3 up to block 249618, and am now going to run it past the block at which asciilifeform reports wedging, and hopefully all the way to memory exhaustion
(trilema) ben_vulpes: americans envy each other the "good boss"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: privilege of having a master :D
(trilema) ben_vulpes: as if a million log readers wondered what happened to a slave's salary, and were suddently silenced
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i felt a great disturbance in the blockchain
(trilema) ben_vulpes: has it not always been so?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ty mircea_popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: k well pegged for this search next quarter
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/asicminer-vs-cado-avalonb3.120172/#post-2008102 mpoe-pr hanbot mining looms diminishing returns berkshire hathaway
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dude how do you do that
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i do this once per quarter, i swear
(trilema) ben_vulpes: drew a parallel between mining and weaving
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i seek that bh letter mpoe-pr posted that talks about diminishing returns on hardware investments
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s berkshire bitcointalk
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s berkshire mpoe-pr
(trilema) ben_vulpes: who reads that culty crap anyways
(trilema) ben_vulpes: m-m-m-ortuary breaker!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: karaorke << ayn rand singalong?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: u savvy "karaoke"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lady v and i do "drunk in love"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what, you don't have your duets locked down?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh there you are JorgePasada
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh i thought we were playing "if i could stroll into the gold vaults with toys" game
(trilema) ben_vulpes: IMU, why not
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> the one thing i would do if permitted to walk in a mega-vault of au is... bring a pocket geiger along (the kind that logs to flash rom, not the kind that 'clicks') << video camera inline with sensor axis too, yeah?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: argentine, asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <cazalla> !up PBMining << shockingly close to PMB.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: to the gdb, boys!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but asciilifeform's server is setting a text header?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a i figured chrome tried to turn it into text, rendered it
(trilema) ben_vulpes fell for the headfake
(trilema) ben_vulpes: with a .gz suffix
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is that actually a text file?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is wrong with the world
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell ben_vulpes http://www.loper-os.org/pub/debug.log.gz << barf log from one of my runs. << chrome is actually rendering this in my browser
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <cazalla> could call it.. the brockchain << YOU STOP THAT
(trilema) ben_vulpes: muff wiggler eh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: maybe not adding others' keys to your keyring but...pretty much anything else until you're comfortable with the process.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: xanthyos: you should back your .gnupg dir up before doing *anything* to it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dots for laffs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: clearly cohesion in operator interface was not a design goal for this machine.
(trilema) ben_vulpes backs away slowly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: they do don't they, nubbins`
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now that's a lathe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it seems like the rectangular knobs are used for discrete settings and the round ones for continuous settings?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: to me they scream "i can't make stuff"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: are rectangular knobs cool?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah where can i find more keybase users to whack
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it'd seem that way, undata
(trilema) ben_vulpes: vs --detach-sig
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gpg --clearsign
(trilema) ben_vulpes: .deed <link to clearsigned contract>
(trilema) ben_vulpes: xanthyos: it's really easy, just
(trilema) ben_vulpes: suspiciously simple.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: xanthyos: d'you plan to endeedify that that contract?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;isup trilema.com
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what machine did you run yours on?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if as you suspect it has to do with the cooccurrence of running out of memory and writing to bdb, i'll have to let it run for a while
(trilema) ben_vulpes: backing up 245000 right now
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mircea_popescu http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=30-10-2014#903730 << ascii reported wedge at 252450
(trilema) ben_vulpes: next checkpoint 245000
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have 0.5.3 blockchains at 240001; interested researchers may request links.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i exaggerate
(trilema) ben_vulpes: debian on some virtualization layer
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6 is perusing the tens of thousands of lines of excised code
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'll be quite amused if i fail to wedge it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in any event i've gotten the thing to 240000
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "versions prior to 0.6.0 detached all databases at shutdown." << explains hilariously slow shutdowns
(trilema) ben_vulpes: honestly i'd just rather have it on my kindle than flip through whatever's in the mail
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm actually thinking about bitcoin databases so nothing w/r/t asylum
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if the author endorsed approach is to copy the damn thing off his website...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trilema credits are free nao?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever considered releasing asylum as a pay-per-dl?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lovely asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 's what i suspected at least.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (just paranoia i suppose)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is there an en.bitcoin.it mirror anywhere?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: watch it come back without any reference to detachdb...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cloudflare now preventing me from getting at en.bitcoin.it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm digging, but hints would be lovely
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: bitcoind stop detatch?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: non sequitur by my read
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gentoo quest
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'd love to confirm that for you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: decimation: i'm inching up on 252450, will post more as i gin them up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adios pete_dushenski, see you another day.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ('cept maybe the skylon)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: planes don't escape the gravity well.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cars don't fly.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but the things that one can do with a car don't really hold a candle to those that can be done with large rockets.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: preferring to walk and bike.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: oh i own one. rarely use it though.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but it's kind of an estes scale thing, and i want a giant tower of hydrocarbons atop which to ride out of this gravity well.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes i have a thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what, run a ponzi?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: flip the ponzi a few times
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rent an office
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gotta hire sales people
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because i need a shartup!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 's the only way.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: token decryption.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: end is a verb in this context.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: exhausted all memory
(trilema) ben_vulpes: piped tar into curl
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what could go wrong!?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it doesn't even have a profit model!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: end passwords
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pretend there's something smart
(trilema) ben_vulpes: here's my pipedream shartup
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kinda dodges the question of why would vcs put capital into it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: give up, web technology will kill your children.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what would he need the money for, pete_dushenski? embedding contracts in the blockchain?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: note to self: next time compress the blockchain *before* copying.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what's the thesis on block reward?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Adlai: bitcoin days destroyed is a good correlation to check too
(trilema) ben_vulpes: huh i think mine's wedged elsewhere
(trilema) ben_vulpes: they are paying, the bill just isn't due yet.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yet somehow programmers are supposed to be a dime a doze?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: guess this means is hould sell, eh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for the first time ever my mpoe holdings are underwater
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mpoe is a goddamn mystery to me, Adlai.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Adlai: if anything, i'd have expected a surge as those who held mpoe bought more to balance their crypto holdings while accumulating more btc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i suspect mpoe acts as a stand in for an mpex market fund
(trilema) ben_vulpes: could just be momentum and a long dry spell on mpex
(trilema) ben_vulpes: many legs to the trade
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu will bang on about that at will
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there is this sneaky theory that btc price is driven by mpoe holders
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wasn't the last major mpoe action a big rally during the big btc rally?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !l mpex s.mpoe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bitcoin is the coin that changed the world but that doesn't mean the first try doesn't sink in heavy storms
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well its a crappy coracle dammit
(trilema) ben_vulpes: coracle perhaps even
(trilema) ben_vulpes: leather over wood prehistoric thinger?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: currach is the word i was looking for
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no desire to tax the poor leaky boat
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hardly groundbreaking. just tiptoeing around, because...enthusiasm kills the sapper.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this abomination is what's edging my copy of 0.5.3 up to the wedge point: http://pastebin.com/itWYUk9f
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't have a blockchain that wedges yet, nor have i reproduced the wedging point
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Adlai: just in skeleton form atm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Adlai: additionally, i'm scripting the approach to the wedge point so that i can reproduce both the wedge and it not happening trivially with git bisect and other scripts
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the story behind its selection is pretty amusing and may need to be revisited.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 is just a not unreasonable starting point for the project.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 0.5.3 and earlier have wallets, and all the concomittant braindamage like "reindex"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: reverifying the blockchain is something else entirely.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: required for "importprivkey" etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: joecool: "reindexing" is something that gavin's fork does to find all of the transactions relevant to addresses in your wallet in a given blockchain.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my plan, more accurately.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Adlai: git bisect is actually the plan
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that i can use to track down potentially unwedging commits i should say.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm working to crap out a "blockchain" that i can use to test this wedge
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: i'm still inching my blockchain to wedging
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but if you're going to hack on it, start with the 0.5.3 dist at f9beb4d9.org, apply asciilifeform's "chicken" patch, and then yours on top of that.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol don't really know if it even works yet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ml for patches
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (albeit poorly at any of them individually)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the preference of "the community" for something that sorta-works across a broad spectrum of use cases
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kinda why the open source ownership of satoshi's codebase failed so dramatically.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "the people" want everything they're told they want and to pay for nothing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is management of a single address not enough for you?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: joecool: what's a wallet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: best argument i've heard.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why so much more confident in the satoshi turd than the conformal blackbox?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: actually probably less cuz drones, n'est?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more shellshock in the populace
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so does the patchpusher work or not?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hah you guys got nubbins` programming?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heyo jurov mailthing still ongoing saga?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wow did you assholes poop out 1600 lines today?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: the great fork war is inevitable. and we know what is on their side of the line. but what is on the other? the miners' mystery forks? our gadget, that doesn't even load the blockchain? << consider the gadget a piece of art. as always, the miners determine everything.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: clearly wagering on usg winning this round
(trilema) ben_vulpes: market hates you mircea_popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: holy shit mpoe clearing at 56k
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mm gratzi asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell JorgePasada see above
(trilema) ben_vulpes: *** assbot (~assbot@unaffiliated/kakobrekla/bot/assbot) has changed mode for #bitcoin-assets to +v JorgePasada << where's my node, bitch
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well on 'amazon "book" services'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: damn did you hoover up the only copy?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> mircea_popescu: http://imgur.com/Bn88rOZ << ahaha i remember fucking with solenoids
(trilema) ben_vulpes: are you still running it in a screen session or whatever?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: PeterL: i'm not trying to make you cry, but mebbe offer suggestions how to keep the thing up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: PeterL: do you need a hand with stabilizing that thing?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is scoopbot's actual uptime?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: clever you, hanbot. it's cremant du jura though.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wrong channel, perdon
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nah just polishing off a bottle of champagne in the office
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rather bad form.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dang lookit her go
(trilema) ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> i would wager myself to say that this very ill effect of the entire "intellectual property" charade actually outweights all the historical benefit predicated to have been accrued through its existence. << stealing this
(trilema) ben_vulpes: as in mash tun?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "tu tonel pesa un tonel"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more momentum traders in the pese than btc huh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: blue dollar's been dropping?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dafuq is trailer park boys
(trilema) ben_vulpes: new meaning to "spamgun"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: reminds me of someone else who spoke endlessly on the topic of wifi
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i weary of this paleo proselytism
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'd never suggest sharing a blockchain for use anger!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: interest, value...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is there any interest in sharing a pre-wedge blockchain built by 0.5.3 around?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: congratulate the author
(trilema) ben_vulpes: provided i'm not doing something retarded like also updating packages
(trilema) ben_vulpes: would the libraries not be held constant between bisections?
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