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nubbins`: actually there we go, wasn't so bad
thestringpuller: nubbins`: can you pm me tracking number again?
RagnarDanneskjol: ;;later tell ben_vulpes thanks. i did think that through...all those i had in mind casually follow things here but not enough to be rated/active -
assbot: Logged on 09-11-2014 04:36:17; RagnarDanneskjol: I need to round up the troops and do some crash coursing in wot, etc first
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: RagnarDanneskjol: quite a few people, i think, underestimated the effort involved
asciilifeform: can't say i didn't warn.
asciilifeform has studied the turd, on and off, for quite some time
thestringpuller: one day I will make a book of your turdisms asciilifeform
thestringpuller: or maybe a comic strip...
asciilifeform: make comic of bitcoind
asciilifeform: (the real one, not the cthonian horror)
asciilifeform: in the style of larry gonick, i dare say
thestringpuller: but that isn't a turd!
mircea_popescu: !up cascadian_herper
cascadian_herper: ragnardanneskjol: whats the best time to plant a tree?
nubbins`: -1.5.tar.gz
nubbins`: oops
thestringpuller: the best time to plant a tree is never, because they all die anyways
mircea_popescu: "I really hope that folks who value user choice will be willing to work with those who are trying to introduce improved ways of doing things regardless of what we decide." <<< and there's the giveaway.
cascadian_herper: well shit just give up then
mircea_popescu: not really easy, doing this sort of thing.
decimation: the river of meat has spoken
cascadian_herper: ragnardanneskjol: i want to work with the hep cats who see wot+bitcoin and are struck speechless with their importance who then hie to the gpg-machine for registration
cascadian_herper: not troops who must be rounded
RagnarDanneskjol: most people are struck once they take the time to learn it. its a damn figure of speech -as in contacting all those I know who are squarely qualified to do this work AND meet said expectations
RagnarDanneskjol: I have plenty of other things to do if you dont any help
RagnarDanneskjol: dont want*
thestringpuller: "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves"
RagnarDanneskjol: !up cascadian_herper
cascadian_herper: merely illuminating parameters.
RagnarDanneskjol: understood
cascadian_herper: this web client is wholly inadequate
RagnarDanneskjol: which you using?
RagnarDanneskjol: ahh. if you're on andro, andchat and halo are decent
cascadian_herper: not really motivated to irc on phnoe
mats_cd03: is nice reading material when pooping
TheNewDeal: best material wipes as well
mats_cd03: anyone keeping a running count of known USG coins?
mats_cd03: i vaguely recall smth in the neighborhood of 400k
TheNewDeal: M_infinity ?
TheNewDeal: or like, could carry in large knapsack?
mats_cd03: er, bitcoins
mats_cd03: via confiscations and what not
TheNewDeal: ;;totalbc
gribble: 13509425.0
TheNewDeal: ;;interval 10000
gribble: (interval takes no arguments) -- Shows average interval, in seconds, between last 1000 blocks.
TheNewDeal: ;;halfreward
gribble: Estimated time of bitcoin block reward halving: Sun Jul 31 15:21:25 2016 UTC | Time remaining: 1 year, 36 weeks, 5 days, 9 hours, 20 minutes, and 0 seconds.
TheNewDeal: ;;8ball
gribble: It is so.
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> "I like the blockchain just not bitcoin itself is like saying I like pussy but not women themselves" << more like "i like round things but not circles, because this difference exists"
mircea_popescu: mats_cd03 they're about 100k under, atm.
mircea_popescu: and their last toe support got squeezed to fuck in s.mpoe, so there's going to be a reckoning next week or something like that.
mats_cd03: ok thanks
assbot: F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021747 B (Total: 475.57 B). Delta: 0.56 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.000195 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: $depth f.mpif
empyex: thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Bids: 7125 @ 0.00019500 30000 @ 0.00019100 7636 @ 0.00019000 100000 @ 0.00018500
empyex: thestringpuller: [F.MPIF] Asks: 99 @ 0.00021900 2000 @ 0.00021910 17100 @ 0.00022000 10000 @ 0.00022000
gribble: What do you think I am, a shell?
assbot: This Onion, It Smells: Inherent Hazards of the Tor Network | ( )
kakobrekla: see link.
mircea_popescu: dpaste got no html mode ?
kakobrekla: who has
kakobrekla wont use non-raw
kakobrekla: makes my brain hurt
thestringpuller: links2 mode
kakobrekla: anyway how is this better
kakobrekla: looking at this, we can notice qntra has two </footer> tags, only one <footer>
kakobrekla: also one extra </div> that does not belog.
kakobrekla: belong
RagnarDanneskjol: that is a very nice feature add. raw is pretty tough on the eyes. at least you have some margin on standard paste and the option to show raw
kakobrekla still not convinced
mircea_popescu: that's an interesting point.
RagnarDanneskjol searching for pasters I've seen supporting formatting
mircea_popescu: the footer
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 401.45, vol: 12782.62524050 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 395.0, vol: 8349.05923 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 401.84, vol: 28410.25447645 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 399.361767, vol: 226201.84320000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 400.0, vol: 3.89065 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 394.821, vol: 55.90373743 | Volume-weighted last average: 399.580880606
kakobrekla: that doesnt work
kakobrekla: they as well dont see dns
mircea_popescu: worked for me a second ago
mircea_popescu: << how are these derps making it throiugh then lol
assbot: Host: / Http Code: 403Date: Nov 17 02:31:32Http Version: HTTP - ( )
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
saifedean: good day everyone, how goes it?
mircea_popescu: same ol'.
saifedean: So a couple of my friends have started a Middle East bitcoin payment processor:
assbot: Yellow | Bitcoin Payments in MENA ( )
saifedean: any thoughts, advice, or searing critiques?
mircea_popescu: what's this, 2011 all over again ?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust couple of friends
gribble: (gettrust [<sourcenick>] <destnick>) -- Get trust paths for <destnick>, starting from <sourcenick>. If <sourcenick> is not supplied, your own nick is used as the source. See
mircea_popescu: apparently it dun work like that.
saifedean: im not asking for trust for these friends, just wondering what you folks think of this business model.
mircea_popescu: but, so far the business model is "dude where's my car"
mircea_popescu: like, what are these friends. are they cooks ? airplane pilots ?
saifedean: one used to work in tech companies, the other in bullshit management consulting. they both quit their jobs to work on this full time
RagnarDanneskjol: I recommend thy try to get their old jobs back 'fore its too late.. a 'no risk' exchange does sound rather amazing tho
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 330392 | Current Difficulty: 3.960366625241841E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 330623 | Next Difficulty In: 231 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 day, 12 hours, 42 minutes, and 54 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 40100157618.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 1.25365
mircea_popescu: saifedean the way that noobs usually work these things is, they put in some work for a few months, and while they're small whatever bank they lied to doesn't bother to notice.
mircea_popescu: then it yanks the plug and there goes the "business model"
RagnarDanneskjol: the world could use an updated, expanded 'so you wanna start a bitcoin business'
punkman: old one is still good
RagnarDanneskjol: indeed.. still, so much more could be said on the topic - and old one lives on tardstalk
RagnarDanneskjol: AND the author can no longer reply, so
mircea_popescu: speaking of old one, your friends happened ot read it saifedean ?
mircea_popescu: !up saifedean
saifedean: i haven't read the old one, where is it?
assbot: So you think you're going to start a Bitcoin business, right? ( )
mircea_popescu: << if anyone's not seen that, i heartily recommend.
assbot: A Mighty Wind pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ( )
saifedean: "Access Denied (content_filter_denied) Your request was denied because of its content categorization: "Games""
saifedean: trilema is classified as games by my university, MP!
mircea_popescu: games ?!
mircea_popescu: that's a new one.
RagnarDanneskjol: game of thrones moreliek
assbot: A nins ? A nins! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ( )
mircea_popescu: email him that, at least he can reclassify it. HUNTING!
saifedean: well, this link worked, but the previous one didn't
mircea_popescu: seems this filter of yours is doing exactly as much useful work as every filter ever.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1012 @ 0.00120546 = 1.2199 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: The Dutch Village Where Everyone Has Dementia - The Atlantic ( )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1083 @ 0.00120569 = 1.3058 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1665 @ 0.0012 = 1.998 BTC
BingoBoingo: !up gerax
BingoBoingo: !up PiaAA
PiaAA: is the tits for 0.1 btc still active?
jurov: hi PiaAA, maybe
jurov: you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him
PiaAA: thanks
PiaAA: so, what is this place for?
PiaAA: so many people but everyone is quiet lol
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1000 @ 0.0012 = 1.2 BTC
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1170 @ 0.0012 = 1.404 BTC
jurov: PiaAA: it's that time of day... apparently europeans don't like to chat much at this hour
jurov: and everyone else is asleep
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log ( )
assbot: Unraveling NSA's TURBULENCE Programs - Robert Sesek ( )
assbot: client9/ipcat · GitHub ( )
punkman: dpaste all the dpaste!
Adlai: ;;ident adlai
gribble: Nick 'adlai', with hostmask 'Adlai!~Adlai@gateway/tor-sasl/adlai', is identified as user 'Adlai', with GPG key id 4D88596A7CDA03F9, key fingerprint FCBC64EFDF1D6C1E4E964AEE4D88596A7CDA03F9, and bitcoin address 13dkw1PtojBW74FN7ERbHqoEvgsTmtARuj
Adlai: is this gpgadlai or btcadlai? only gribble knows...
Adlai: the nsa's database probably knows, although i'd be surprised and honored if they cared
assbot: Accelerating Change ( )
jurov: why it's so important? got split personality?
Adlai: holy fuck that dpaste is painful on the retina
Adlai: well, apparently using btc auth is foolhardy, childish, and infinitely inferior to gpg auth
Adlai: entropy cares how it's serialized
Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification, but i imagine there's some way around that
danielpbarron: ;;rated napedia
gribble: You rated user napedia on Mon Nov 17 07:30:42 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes:
assbot: Only invest in the USD what you can afford to lose.
assbot: Meditation on inevitable death should be performed daily. Every day one should meditate... - Yamamo ( )
Adlai: isn't it about time this assbot paste thingy learned to distinguish content from cruft?
danielpbarron: Luke 9:23 Then He said to them all, “If anyone desires to come after Me, let him deny himself, and take up his cross daily,[a] and follow Me.
Adlai: isn't it about time for the sequel, "Jesus Shrugged"?
Adlai: he should join us in E̶g̶y̶p̶t̶ chile
BingoBoingo: $status
empyex: BingoBoingo: Proxies: Current MPEx GPG-Key-ID: 02DD2D91
empyex: BingoBoingo: MPEx-Status: (106 milliseconds), (109 milliseconds), (113 milliseconds), (114 milliseconds), (683 milliseconds)
empyex: BingoBoingo: Health-Indicators: Homepage: √ MK Depth JSON: √ VWAP JSON: √
BingoBoingo: !up saifedean
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 11665 @ 0.0012 = 13.998 BTC
xanthyos: ruminated a bit on the imagery of human women being milked as cows when i woke up. the creepy part is that it's not just hentai, and that given the population of the earth, there are surely women that are being dairy farmed somewhere. the writers of walking dead missed an opportunity to have some surprise cheese or yogurt in the cannibal camp episodes.
xanthyos: Deuteronomy 14:21Modern English Version (MEV)
xanthyos: 21 You must not eat of anything that dies of itself, but you may give it to the foreigner that is in your gates, so that he may eat it, or you may sell it to a foreigner, for you are a holy people to the Lord your God.
xanthyos: You shall not boil a young goat in its mother.s milk.
Adlai likes the bit about feeding carrion to immigrants
xanthyos: heh funny timing ^
mircea_popescu: << why is "erasing the past" such a common fantasy ?
assbot: Dear Affiliate, Priscilia Jones is starting a new career and - ( )
assbot: Detroit Hit By Ransomware in April | ( )
mircea_popescu: poor detroit.
TheNewDeal: Did I get that correct that the Mayor attempted to sync a calendar on an infected system?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal they seem unrelated.
mircea_popescu: that said, i struggle to comprehend what the idea is behind BingoBoingo's collection of factoids.
BingoBoingo: Detroit sucks?
assbot: ( error )
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 1167 @ 0.0012 = 1.4004 BTC
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo but listen, if that's your angle (detroit sucks) then make it your title. if that doesn't work then why not ?
BingoBoingo: Ah, ok.
mircea_popescu: you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him << how does jurov know!!!
BingoBoingo: I just found the "Spread the Wealth" op-ed piece a bit... ironic considering every other headline there tonday is about the absolute pile of nothing they have.
nubbins`: how does he know how to get an anagram of his name into a sha256sum :P
mircea_popescu: Adlai: is this gpgadlai or btcadlai? only gribble knows... << nanotube you know, he brings a very good point. how would i go to check that he is in fact and specifically gpg authed ?
nubbins`: TBF i thought detroit was dead by now
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im not saying the three links couldn't assemble into a great piece, but merely that it has to actually be done. ie, reader doesn't have access to the lulz in your head, put it on teh page.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu hm that's a good one. ;;ident will list gpg key AND btc address if both are reg'd
BingoBoingo: Ah, that problem. The why Trilema must have so many words problem.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` reg'd yes. auth'd ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the standard best practice when newbs make accounts would be inserting a rider with "and don't add a btc address, it just creates pointless ambiguity"
mircea_popescu: Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification << le explain ?
nubbins`: BingoBoingo
nubbins`: Detroit Mayor Mike Duggan revealed at the North American International Cyber Summit that a 2,000 BTC ransom was not paid in order to regain access to the affected database because it was "not that important".
nubbins`: In a seemingly-unrelated revelation that perhaps hints at the true reason for the bounty not being paid, the mayor also revealed that he cannot sync his MS Office calendar to his phone due to technical difficulties.
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: revelation + revealed gotta go
mircea_popescu: nono, "mayor would like to spread the wealth but can not find the time to do so"
nubbins`: s/revelation/admission perhaps
nubbins`: anyway lelelelelelel.
nubbins`: such a mayor/manager thing to say huh
nubbins`: "i can't get my phone to sync my calendar"
mircea_popescu: mangerial.
mircea_popescu: you know, from mange.
nubbins`: "why isn't my sound working"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha.
nubbins`: mangy mayor
mircea_popescu: old woman @doctor's office :
mircea_popescu: doc, my sound's working.
nubbins`: she can finally pee?
nubbins` claps
mircea_popescu: no, she just used to hear these voices and for a while they were gone
nubbins`: 5 satoshi says i'm the only one here who got that
mircea_popescu: hence, ~HER~ sound wasn;t working
nubbins`: o heh
nubbins`: thought i nailed it ;/
mircea_popescu: lol. what sort of a cult do you think this is!
nubbins`: ;;google sounding
mircea_popescu: can't be having people nailing shit.
gribble: Sounding - BME Encyclopedia: <>; Sounds - BME Encyclopedia: <>; Sounding | BME: Tattoo, Piercing and Body Modification News: <>
mircea_popescu: yes yes.
mircea_popescu: i am aware what a urethral sound is.
nubbins`: for the uninitiated among us.
nubbins`: tl;dr put things where you pee, it feels good
mircea_popescu: i also like how the sophistication, size and complexity of boy sounds vs girl sounds properly reflects the boy vs girl relation generally.
nubbins`: boys like big fancy toys?
mircea_popescu: (i actually won an argument on this once. triumphant mainstreamist "oh yea ? on what criteria!" mp : "urethral sounds complexity.")
nubbins`: i don't know that i've seen gender-specific sounds, altho i guess the big sets would never ever fit into a woman's urethra
mircea_popescu: Alexander Fox @AutonoZone · Oct 6 @napoleon @BitcoinBelle Idealism is a dangerous investment strategy. Just look at the goldbugs. Global capital is pouring into the USD. <<< why does the usd sound so much like every other altchain scam ?
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you kidding ? the curved ones are male.
mircea_popescu: the female ones are just straight sticks.
nubbins`: o rly?
mircea_popescu: yup rly.
nubbins`: then i've never seen female ones :o
assbot: BME Body Modification Ezine Shop ( )
nubbins`: "no returns" lel
assbot: Hayden Medical Inc. Urology Urethral Dilators Sounds - Hayden Medical Inc. ( )
mircea_popescu: grep for "Infant & Female Dilator Set"
mircea_popescu: because yes.
nubbins`: curved
nubbins`: anyway idk what it's like now, but there was a time when private citizens had the hardest time purchasing shit like this
nubbins`: i remember going to a medical supply place once to pick up a biopsy punch i'd ordered
nubbins`: "sooo... are you a doctor?"
nubbins`: "nope"
nubbins`: (guy gets visibly worried)
nubbins`: "what are you going to do with this?"
nubbins`: (i tell him)
nubbins`: (worry replaced with confusion, leads me to cash register)
mircea_popescu: let me guess, you fix hogheads of paint
mircea_popescu tries to follow in Adlai's footsteps reading that "accelerating change" piece, gets as far as "The goal of this chapter is to trace the general implications of what are identified as the two central characteristics of the future: accelerating change and intensifying complexity.", first line in abstract, and fails.
nubbins`: nothing so innocent, although i've mostly moved on from the proclivities of my youth
mircea_popescu: what the FUCK is "intensifying" complexity. is complexity like pain or wtf.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you punch the woman while ridin' her ?!
nubbins`: i definitely do not biopsy women during sex
mircea_popescu: "spread wider honey i wanna get a taste of precum straigth through your perineum!"
nubbins`: many deviance, such edge play
nubbins`: for those of you not in the know, a biopsy punch is a cylindrical scalpel, useful for removing round chunks of flesh from various areas of the body
mircea_popescu: unfortunately i may have created a monster there.
mircea_popescu: you probably make earlobe holes and lame shit like that.
nubbins`: close enough
nubbins`: altho my earlobe holes were done the old-fashioned way, pierced with a needle then immediately tapered to 6 gauge
mircea_popescu: that's the main problem for people that got circumcised
mircea_popescu: that less skin to fuck with.
nubbins`: the cock is a cornucopia of piercing sites
mircea_popescu: only for slavebois
nubbins`: i can list maybe a dozen named cock piercings off the top of my head
mircea_popescu: real men use the cock to pierce other things
nubbins`: like earlobes
mircea_popescu: well, by design, hymens.
mircea_popescu: BUT IF YOU MUST BE A PERV....
punkman goes to check bme guy's blog, finds "hey guys, I'm dead" post
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: ruminated a bit on the imagery of human women being milked as cows when i woke up. the creepy part is that it's not just hentai, and that given the population of the earth, there are surely women that are being dairy farmed somewhere. << nope. if you think about it, mammals are only productive after foaling. what would you do with all the babies ? this and numerous other considerations make dairy-female a hig
mircea_popescu: hly abstract fantasy, roughly comensurate with the bizarre shit coming out of the lesbian feminist camp, which is why i made that comment.
nubbins`: punkman actually a very interesting guy, if a bit narcissistic
mircea_popescu: more stuff i missed ;/
mircea_popescu: only heard of bme through modder chick years after its heyday
nubbins`: real downer about him killing himself, i was in a funk for like 6mo over it
mircea_popescu: the curse of the archeologist.
nubbins`: yeah hey
punkman: yeah he was a cool dude, bme turned to shit when ex-wife took it over
nubbins`: punkman i met her once at a wedding
nubbins`: not a great person
mircea_popescu: nubbins` met modder chick through making fun of "all those freaks with the crazy shit stick on all sides of head".
nubbins`: heheh
mircea_popescu: cause you know, she seemed sane, and im very conservative.
nubbins`: i actually met my first almost-wife through bme
mircea_popescu: did she come in one piece ?
nubbins`: a more-or-less intact piece, no less
punkman: mircea_popescu: here's the blog btw
assbot: Shannon Larratt is Zentastic › I can scarcely move or draw my breath // Let me, let me freeze agai ( )
mircea_popescu: anyway, i would expect suicide is the definitve body modification all serious practitioners aspire towards.
nubbins`: assbot now scrapes site & dpastes plaintext?
punkman: not just plaintext! even images!
mircea_popescu: it's maybe a little silly.
nubbins`: bordering on useless
nubbins`: nice alternative for when you really don't wanna click a link, i guess
mircea_popescu: part of it was the ip stealing attempt coupla days back.
mircea_popescu: as always, the security/sanity balance is unobvious.
punkman: maybe I can setup a URL where assbot can post content to, provide actual html/file mirror
mircea_popescu: sahould be more in the scoopbot than in the deedbot domain that, in the interest of not making a mess of things
punkman: yeah not on deedbot system, I got plenty of space on a dreamhost account
mircea_popescu: which i guess kinda pushes the point,
mircea_popescu: ;;seen peterl
gribble: peterl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 14 hours, 56 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <PeterL> yes
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell peterl there's stuff to talk about!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
punkman: Imma write stupid PHP script to do this, also needed for deed backups
mircea_popescu: well seeing how scoopbot's never in chan, something's gonna have to be done here.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen scoopbot
gribble: scoopbot was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 3 days, 11 hours, 8 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <scoopbot> New post on by Bingo Boingo:
nanotube: mircea_popescu: that info is not currently publicly available. though i can find out by checking bot-side logs.
nubbins`: my admittedly inconsequential vote is for including it in ;;ident, as it's potentially useful
nanotube: what would it be useful for?
nubbins`: say you want to know if someone's authed via btc or gpg
nubbins`: ('potentially' == i can't think of a compelling scenario)
nanotube: haha you're begging the question here. /why/ would someone want to know that
nanotube: is what i want to know :)
nanotube: not that it would harm anything to have the info... just curious
nubbins`: ostensibly so it's easier to shame people who have registered both a gpg key and a btc address, but choose not to auth via gpg
nubbins`: i'm sure mp has a more concrete scenario in mind ;p
xanthyos: mircea_popescu: once a woman starts producing milk she'll keep producing it until she stops nursing. there are some children who nurse way too long and as long as they keep suckling, the milk will flow. also i doubt anyone using women to farm milk is concerned about cost effectiveness or has the moral concern to worry about his cows continually giving birth. their young might be inserted into the food chain that eventually becomes the moth
nubbins`: i'm sure the truly compelling part of that paragraph was after the break
xanthyos: kafkaesque
nubbins`: popesque
nubbins`: i was at a printer's fair yesterday and some guy came up being really weird about a book we published
assbot: U.S. Gov Insists It Doesn't Stockpile Zero-Day Exploits to Hack Enemies | WIRED ( )
rithm: asciilifeform it just means they subcontract it out
nubbins`: ^^^^^
rithm: reading reports under the pretense where one hands know what the other hand is doing is fallacy
asciilifeform: ^ recent experiments in advanced spamatronics
mircea_popescu: <nanotube> haha you're begging the question here. /why/ would someone want to know that << well, i do want to know.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, if a hole is found in either but not in both, the situation is now glbse-ambiguous : anyone logged on can claim it wasn;t them
mircea_popescu: "also i doubt anyone using women to farm milk is concerned about cost effectiveness" << maybe we're not on the same page as to what farm means, here.
mircea_popescu: something like "i'm farming the lich king, 100k spent for every 80k worth of loot" ?
mircea_popescu: also, feeding cows their foals, it doesn't work. that's how you select for Creutzfeldt–Jakob
mircea_popescu: if it did make any sort of economic sense it'd be all over your flouridated water i'm sure.
nubbins`: i have friends who are still not allowed to donate blood because they spent more than 6mo in england
mircea_popescu: "In Canada, individuals are not eligible to donate blood or plasma if they have spent a cumulative total of three months in the United Kingdom or France from January 1, 1980, to December 31, 1996. They are also ineligible if they have spent a cumulative total of five years or more in Western Europe outside the U.K. or France since 1980, or if they have had a blood transfusion in the U.K., France or Western Europe since
mircea_popescu: and in spite of all that painstaking effort ? still crazy as fuck, the canucks.
nubbins`: mp these rules were enacted by a competing prion which has figured out how to influence human behaviour in a more nuanced fashion
nubbins`: turf wars
mircea_popescu: hey buster! that's prion art!
nubbins`: a prioni knowledge
BingoBoingo awaits discovery of world with Chiraly reversed biochemistry.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo it's only like 10% as big, not so fun
nubbins`: apparently something like 35% of bitcoiners are leftys?
BingoBoingo imagines the aliens landing in nubbins yard, spotting that all of the amino acids are flipped the wrong way, and putting a warning bouy in earth orbit announcing Earth's toxicity.
BingoBoingo imagines the SEW campaign to make Earth safe for the Alien Invaders
nubbins`: you cannot donate your tenderloins unless you've spent less than 3 consecutive months on earth
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc asimov had a tale with this premise
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I vaguelly remember a few stories but no titles
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i once tried to write a tale of perverse world of differing chiralities for male and female, and implications thereof
asciilifeform: (before anyone asks, yes, must posit some exception for gametes)
asciilifeform: Creutzfeldt-Jakob << just don't feed the brains. problem solved.
BingoBoingo: Just in the context of the prion discussion, I'm imagining sufficiently advanced aliens to have had this problem before. They came here to steal our water, but can't because of fish piss. Just like the Mad Cow blood donor ban
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> (before anyone asks, yes, must posit some exception for gametes) <<< wait wait lol.
mircea_popescu: positing doesn't just work like that.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can make this go if you really want to.
xanthyos: if someone's gpg key is on a computer that is being held captive by an angry muslim ex boyfriend and they make a new wot account and then later recover the old key, can the ratings of those two accounts be merged?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 1000 @ 0.00120273 = 1.2027 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: xanthyos: say boyfriend did not use key. but gave a copy to the Khalif.
xanthyos: well he doesn't have the passphrase for it
xanthyos: but the security isn't my question
xanthyos: would all the people who gave rating have to be notified to rerate to the new account manually
xanthyos: i'm asking for bagels7
xanthyos: who is in a predicament.
nubbins`: s/notified/begged
nubbins`: sums up the situation more succinctly
xanthyos: well that's inconvenient
nubbins`: hey duod it's me, `xanthyos`, can you give me a re-rate bru? i lost my key lol
nubbins`: losing your key is, indeed, quite inconvenient.
xanthyos: well if it's someone i can authenticate as the same person
xanthyos: i'm saying if they later recovered the key
xanthyos: and proved they were the same person in that sense
asciilifeform: !s shall be delivered
assbot: 23 results for 'shall be delivered' :
xanthyos: so the ratings are all real
nubbins`: what are you even talking about
xanthyos: it's not a lost key it's a currently inaccessible key because it's behind a locked physical door
nubbins`: at least call these "hypothetical" people alice and bob so we can follow you
nubbins`: so your laptop is locked in someone's house
nubbins`: what's your question
xanthyos: alice's laptop is locked in bob's house
xanthyos: alice has ratings in the wot
xanthyos: can alice make wot account alice2 knowing that she'll get her alice1 account back eventually
asciilifeform: you and i shall be free to presume instead that alice is on a sea voyage, and alice2 is actuall nsa shill
xanthyos: and upon recovering alice1 prove that both are the same and merge their ratings
mike_c: what's the rush? if she'll get alice1 back, just wair.
mike_c: *wait
xanthyos: i can't go into that without giving explicit private information
mike_c: my $0.02 is I wouldn't re-rate without a good answer to that question.
xanthyos: in a public log
nubbins`: i also wouldn't re-rate
mike_c: where "good" really means.. i don't think there is a good reason.
mike_c: because when you start putting random qualifiers on good answers, you get scammed.
xanthyos: my question was only if there was a way to merge so rerating wouldn't be an issue if one could prove via gribble to simultaneously own two accounts
mike_c: that would be a bug, not a feature.
mike_c: someone can move my rating to a different account? that's silliness.
xanthyos: are you rating the account or the person?
kakobrekla: update the key in wot?
mike_c: the account is the person.
asciilifeform: are you rating the account or the person? << 'have sex - with humans; do business - with keys' (mircea)
xanthyos: i guess that protects people from making offensive name accounts and making it look like you endorse them
xanthyos: the concept of their name
xanthyos: use your imaginations
xanthyos: so then i guess just as ratings can't be moved accounts probably can't be renamed
mats_cd03: nope
nubbins` groans
nubbins`: ;;gettrust othernubs`
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user nubbins` to user othernubs`: Level 1: 10, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Mon Oct 20 00:55:51 2014
nubbins`: how is this not adequate
xanthyos: yeah that's fine
xanthyos: finally a time when 10 trust makes sense
kakobrekla: i trust myself only with a 9
nubbins`: see the thing is, you want a message from alice saying "alice1 is my backup pgp key in case this one gets stolen"
xanthyos: it's like warp 10, trust 10 simultaneously occupies every place of faith in the universe
nubbins`: but you want it after alice has been stolen.
nubbins`: it's too late by that point
nubbins`: and if you'd done it before alice had been stolen, well, i suppose your alice1 woulda been stolen too, huh?
nubbins`: the key is to be able to demonstrably prove that you are who you say you are without use of a pgp key
nubbins`: not everyone can pull this off
xanthyos: what my "aura" isn't enough guys? clearly it's me.
nubbins`: clearly
asciilifeform: nubbins` << can, possibly, prove who you are (for some value of 'who'), but not that you owned the key
nubbins`: that's an important distinction
xanthyos: wot accounts are people like corporations are people
kakobrekla: this raises a question, can schizophrenic even use pgp as intended?
xanthyos: no, that analogy falls apart in that corporate personhood removes accountability while wot accounthood demands it
xanthyos: oh intersting
xanthyos: interesting**
xanthyos: not schizophrenic but you mean dissociative personalities
nubbins`: kakobrekla runaway thoughts prevent one from using pgp? o.O
xanthyos: if it's a compartmentalized individual
kakobrekla: yeah sure, that
nubbins`: cold, plague, w/e
kakobrekla: dissociative personalities < in such setup, does one personality have access to others passwords?
xanthyos: hyde doesn't know jekyll's passphrase
xanthyos: although how much of keyboarding is conscious and how much is muscle memory? does the body remember the sequence of muscle contractions well enough for the passphrase to be typed without knowing it/
assbot: USMS Auctioning More Bitcoins | ... ( )
asciilifeform: usms << waterfall!
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 380.52, Best ask: 381.69, Bid-ask spread: 1.17000, Last trade: 381.7, 24 hour volume: 23277.77066544, 24 hour low: 375.0, 24 hour high: 415.0, 24 hour vwap: 396.595304938
kakobrekla: assbot now appends a hidemyass proxy link btw. use it for opening links from unknown people and qntra and trilema when down
mike_c: "The USMS will not release any information to the general public pertaining to the auction process or results."
mike_c: how is this legal?
kakobrekla: how is this new?
BingoBoingo: mike_c: "To enforce the law one must be above the reach of the law" is pretty much the US m.o. since... Nixon at least
gernika: Anyone have any references to the legal rationale for selling seized assets prior to a verdict and before the appeals process has completed?
mike_c: this guy has been pinging them once a month about his foia.. they went from stalling to ignoring. very gox of them.
assbot: USMS Silk Road Bitcoin Auction Results | Muckrock ... ( )
asciilifeform: the 'rationale' is - 'you are furniture'
xanthyos: 50k btc sold under mkt value with unreleased results is a good way to lay the groundwork for intentional price plummet
gernika: There must be some convoluted explanation as to why that's OK though
xanthyos: because they said so?
assbot: Buterin's Waterfall, a Likbez | ... ( )
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell Pierre_Rochard You ask questions on twitter that have answers here
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Pierre_Rochard: BingoBoingo: just trollin around haha
BingoBoingo: !s bitcoingirl
BingoBoingo: ;;seen bitcoingirl
Pierre_Rochard: Person from Digital Currency Council sent me a message on linkedin telling me I should pay them for training
gribble: bitcoingirl was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 23 weeks, 0 days, 20 hours, 57 minutes, and 15 seconds ago: <bitcoingirl> the shavers case hasn't gone to trial yet
TheNewDeal: would love to see someone drop 50k or so bitcoin on an "exchange" prior to this auction
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Tell then you know a guy, rates are more favorable. Say here's the contact info and just give them my GPG fingerprint
Pierre_Rochard: “I don't see you in the WoT: Do you have a nickname you're using?” <- my response
Pierre_Rochard: is bitcoingirl Lee Bard?
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: bitcoingirl is Ms Boring
Pierre_Rochard: Ah, she’s dgitial chamber of commerce
BingoBoingo: Ah, there's so many of these DCC's now
Pierre_Rochard: digital currency council is another pretend thing, they want to be a professional organization
Pierre_Rochard: yeah, they got tired of bit that and coin this, it’s all digital currency now
Pierre_Rochard: that’s what passes for originality
asciilifeform: 'digital currencies' << a variant of the 'teach the controversy' propaganda technique discussed here earlier. create a category where there only exists a concrete.
asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
assbot: 5 results for 'teaching the controversy' :
BingoBoingo: Pierre_Rochard: Well if you can figure out who they are feel free to submit a likbez to Qntra
thestringpuller: that mr. rochard, so hot righ tnow
asciilifeform: need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals'
thestringpuller: that's fucked up asciilifeform
asciilifeform: presto! turds are now 'a type of cylindrical' and by implication will stand in for sausage
thestringpuller: i've been terrified by that ever since I saw Soylent Green
Pierre_Rochard: haha, exactly. These people will tell you “well Ethereum and Ripple seem to be gaining traction, so Bitcon may not be ~the~ digital currency, we need to stay flexible”
BingoBoingo: thestringpuller: Don't worry. You don't need meat. Protein is fine, have Prion jerky!
jurov: <mircea_popescu> [20141117 16:05] you can wait few hours for mircea_popescu and ask him << how does jurov know!! << lol should i ask them outright to submit the buxom? i need the codes then :D
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand the subtle but important distinction. they will have you believe that it -is- meat.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:35:56; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Ah.
BingoBoingo: I have to stumble through the variations of these forms
nubbins`: <+asciilifeform> need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals' <<< amazing
nubbins`: "in a chocolatey coating"
nubbins`: the y stands for sodium benzoate, vegetable oil, and a special evaporative process that removes all cocoa
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: That sets expectations for flavor. Just go with a "creamy" coating.
nubbins`: with a brown, easily meltable coating
nubbins`: wait now we're selling turds again
nubbins`: bbl buying ingredients for 김치 찌개
punkman: nubbins`: puffins, radio waves, wat?
assbot: The Project Gutenberg eBook of How to tell the Birds from the Flowers and other Wood-cuts, by Robert Williams Wood. ... ( )
nubbins`: hah, awesome.
nubbins`: We recognize the Parrot by his clear articulation, For Carrots are unable to engage in conversation.
Pierre_Rochard: !s likbez
mircea_popescu: <xanthyos> if someone's gpg key is on a computer that is being held captive by an angry muslim ex boyfriend and they make a new wot account and then later recover the old key, can the ratings of those two accounts be merged? << how would an observer distinguish this situation from "angry muslim ex boyfriend finally manages to break into gpg key on ex gf's computer he hedl" ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> how is this legal? << the law of "no way out"
mircea_popescu: Series A blocks consist of 2,000 coins and a deposit of $100,000 is required per bid entered on Series A. <<< 10%. ie, "MP was right".
mircea_popescu: Bids that are contingent on financing terms of any kind will not be considered.<< funny what the usg thinks of its own banking industry anyway :D
mircea_popescu: The United States Marshals Service reserves the right to sell some, all or none of the bitcoins for any reason. There is no disclosed reserve price for this auction.< << check the shit out. "secret reserve, will not announce winner".
mircea_popescu: chumpatronics at its finest, "we would like a list of rich people interested in bitcoin, mind sending us a signed form ?" / "hey, USMS can implement tardstalk scam actions too! We even hired Garr as an expert consultant"
BingoBoingo: Even has the name perversion thing going on too: Ebama/Thermos
TheNewDeal: Ollama
BingoBoingo: !up TheShrander
chetty: wyatt earp would be horrified
assbot: Rick Snyder Announces Michigan Cyber Civilian Corps | ... ( )
thestringpuller: scoopbot doesn't got the scoop yet?
assbot: Manufacturers warn that the world may soon run out of chocolate - The Week ... ( )
BingoBoingo: ^ Blame Obola
adlai: mircea_popescu: sorry for vanishing, had to tend to some fires, and put out other ones
assbot: The United States Scammers Service, Formerly Marshalls Service. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
adlai: << putting signatures in pastebin... I guess the known plaintext aspect can be circumvented by only including the signature data, rather than a whole --clearsign
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 16:10:49; mircea_popescu: Adlai: i'm not a huge fan of leaving open the door to known-cleartext snooping through pastebin verification << le explain ?
mircea_popescu: adlai suppose i download your pubkey and encrypt "adlai is a poopyhead" to it five billion times.
mircea_popescu: this, iyo, has put me epsilon closer towards obtaining your priv key ?
adlai: that's a little different from what gribble gpg auth does
mircea_popescu: explain ?
adlai: maybe I'm doing it wrong, but ";;auth adlai" gives me a challenge string, and I need to reply ";;verify" with a signature for the challenge string, using my wot key
assbot: Unknown Paste ID ... ( )
mircea_popescu: yeah, you are.
mircea_popescu: <mircea_popescu> ;;eauth mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: <gribble> Request successful for user mircea_popescu, hostmask mircea_popescu!~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu. Get your encrypted OTP from
assbot: 404 Not Found ... ( )
adlai: ok, I was using ;;auth
mircea_popescu: science progressed :)
adlai: it's still more convenient to use ;;bcauth :P
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell pete_dushenski btw, next time someone goes on the "marketing Bitcoin" kick, you can always use : "Get lost and don’t come back until you can either think or do something useful. Contrary to what you might have self-aggrandizingly imagined, we don’t want you. Yo
assbot: The USG wasted another hundred million dollars it previously stole from average, hard working US citizens. Nobody cares. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
gribble: Error: No closing quotation
mircea_popescu: u need us, of course, but that’s an entirely different discussion.". it's what it's for.
gernika: to answer my own question above, the value of the coins in USD will be retained in escrow until the outcome of the case is decided.
mircea_popescu: adlai "convenient"
mircea_popescu: !up Pierre_Rochard
adlai: convenience is king, the rest is bunk
mircea_popescu: your king is nude.
adlai: "Clothes make the man. Naked people have little or no influence on society." - sammy C
thestringpuller: Kim acts out because she'll be irrelevant when her youth is gone.
thestringpuller: Not everyone can be Betty White.
mircea_popescu: well, if "perfect butt, perfect shape" is your thing, then obviously it only lasts a little.
mircea_popescu: somehow people don't seem to say the same about athletes.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck do i care what maradona does after he's too old to play ?
punkman: I've heard the same about athletes, not uncommon
mircea_popescu: i'm certainly going to remember fuckable kim long after i forgot any and all sitcom writers for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: i trust myself only with a 9 << just as long as you find a kim to trust you with her 6.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: this raises a question, can schizophrenic even use pgp as intended? <<< well if he has split personality, then they won't know about each other's keys.
adlai: pls
mircea_popescu: xanthyos: 50k btc sold under mkt value with unreleased results is a good way to lay the groundwork for intentional price plummet <<< if it had worked.
adlai: schizophrenia does not exist
adlai: it's a made up concept to lump together a bunch of conditions that psych(olog|iatr)ists have epsilon understanding of
mircea_popescu: do tell ?
mircea_popescu: there is something there tho.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, sure.
adlai: there are several somethings
adlai: no, seriously. some big association of mental scientists (lol) recently admitted that they have nfc what schizophrenia actually is, and that they should probably drop the term and start analyzing the conditions it refers to from a blank page
mircea_popescu: adlai the derps in question make no difference. but, yeah, the problem has long stood.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: need to sell turds, when folks are asking for sausages? declare that now people shall eat 'cylindricals' << not bad.
mircea_popescu: "beverage" comes to mind. because yeah, carbonated high fructose corn syrup needs a thing to be, like water and wine.
mircea_popescu: jurov: i need the codes then :D << you know i just use the webirc hostmask they come in with right ?
adlai: << ok, they didn't officially delete it, but have been revising the definition to the point where it's about as precise as "batshit fucking crazy"
assbot: DSM-5 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
kakobrekla: "they didn't officially delete it" < lol
mircea_popescu: the dsm has nothing to do with psychology.
mircea_popescu: it's an acceptable if overvoluminous textbook for treating broken bones.
TheNewDeal: it's a nice meta piece on psychologists
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 2600 @ 0.0012 = 3.12 BTC
adlai: it gives you a resolution bound for the precision of mental disorder diagnosis
mircea_popescu: and now, off to play aurum blade, because i am getting retarded in my old age.
mircea_popescu: (but seriously, if you, like me are a fan of the old amiga stuff, with HARD mobs and tough as nail bosses etc ? try it.)
adlai: you're not retarted, you're centenariophrenic
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
gribble: 292934223.302
adlai: "... Now we should call them economical numbers"
thestringpuller: ;;seen BingoBoingo
gribble: BingoBoingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 hour, 4 minutes, and 53 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> ^ Blame Obola
adlai: did bingo died of obbola?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: you ever play dark souls?
cazalla: seems BingoBoingo has been busy this morning and scooped me on the news before i was even awake
thestringpuller: cazalla: now for round two
cazalla: thestringpuller, need a few cuppas first
assbot: Snapchat - Introducing Snapcash ... ( )
TheNewDeal: From the article "We set out to make payments faster and more fun!!!"
dignork: "For now, Snapcash is available to Snapchatters in the United States who have a debit card and are 18 or older." << there is such a thing?
undata: the hipsters all use snapchat to send each other dick pics
thestringpuller: here's a dick pick + some dollars
thestringpuller: also aren't hipsters poor?
dignork: or dick pics for dollar, might work too
thestringpuller: tits 4 snapcash!!!
dignork: and a DRM solution, to protect the assets.
thestringpuller: well snapchat deletes your photo after its viewed doncha know***
undata: suddenly the use case becomes clear.
dignork: that's very weak DRM, better would be scrambling signal to be decoded on google glasses, surgically embedded into user scalp.
mircea_popescu: everything totally gotta be "fun"
mircea_popescu: “I guess you will have to go to jail. If that is the result of not understanding the Income Tax Law, I will meet you there. We shall have a merry, merry time, for all our friends will be there. It will be an intellectual center, for no one understands the Income Tax Law except persons who have not sufficient intelligence to understand the questions that arise under it.”
mircea_popescu: guess the yea.
asciilifeform: drm glasses << (scroll down to story)
assbot: Loper OS » For Your Eyes Only ... ( )
mircea_popescu: “The welfare state reduces a citizen to a client, subordinates them to a bureaucrat, and subjects them to rules that are anti- work, anti-family, anti-opportunity and anti-property... Humans forced to suffer under such anti-human rules naturally develop pathologies. The evening news is the natural result of the welfare state.”
mircea_popescu: im well persuaded by this, incidentally.
mircea_popescu: curious that the "advanced northern europe" isn't coming out with "brevik is pretty much our greatest achievement",
mircea_popescu: at least the us has the decency to worship its degenerates.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu reading herr kokkarinen ?
mircea_popescu: “The state is the great fictitious entity by which everyone seeks to live at the expense of everyone else.” lol
cazalla: you know, with the new pokemon game coming out in a few days time, idea of a bitcoin pokemon market would be great, could even have gpg pokemon contracts
mircea_popescu: you'll have to explain this like we've never been five
mircea_popescu: my idea of a pokemon is roughly speaking a beanie baby. what's to gpg there ?
cazalla: for trading pokemon, you know, so i can point and say hey, you said you would deliver pokemon xyz and you decided to back out at the last minute, don't trade with this guy
mircea_popescu: oh they're like playing cards ?
TheNewDeal: pokemon was also a card game back in the day, like Magic. Not sure if he's talking about software game
mircea_popescu: i suppose someone who knows about trading cards could re-make mtgox.
danielpbarron: it was a gameboy game first; you could trade via the connection cable
cazalla: mircea_popescu, never played pokemon? so you catch them as you would say find an item in an mmorpg, you train em, level em up, you can trade them as you would an item in an mmorpg to other players
mircea_popescu: no, i never played such a thing.
cazalla: i doubt there is any demand for it but i would buy a desired pokemon for btc
mircea_popescu: what pokemon would you buy ?!
danielpbarron: the rare mewtwo with alt colorz!
cazalla: a shiny of course
cazalla: i am partial to the original 150
cazalla: i wonder if nintendo capitulated and will allow 2 male pokemon to make a baby pokemon
danielpbarron: the amount of "work" that goes into finding a shiny would put it in the 1 to 10 BTC range
mircea_popescu: all these fucktarded nsa "codewords". it would not surprise me if the central nodes in the administration of all this perpetually overbudget, perpetually mismanaged nonsense are desocialised to the point they can no longer interact with people in a shop or bar or w/e
mircea_popescu: exactly like star trek ninnies, speaking a wholly unintelligible pigdin and laughing out of the blue for nutty reasons.
TheNewDeal: like Clockwork Orange?
mircea_popescu: pressure tube metrogripe toyfucks ?
mircea_popescu: keycard fashioncleft!
danielpbarron: like the yale-tards i overheard at louis lunch the other day? like it was their first time interacting with people outside of acedemia?
mircea_popescu: something like that.
assbot: Augur Project ... ( )
cazalla: mebe you nintendo could even use blockchain technology to timestamp when you found a pokemon so no-one can sell you dupes
cazalla: could call it.. the brockchain
punkman: NintendoCoin obvs
punkman: "The FreeBSD Foundation is pleased to announce it has received a $1,000,000 donation from Jan Koum, CEO and Co-Founder of WhatsApp. This marks the largest single donation to the Foundation since its inception almost 15 years ago"
assbot: Blockstream closes $21M seed round | Blockstream ... ( )
punkman: gmaxwell's thing
punkman: "The reason we were able to attract A-list investors is our group of founders and the promise of blockchain technology."
mats_cd03: what a nice picture
asciilifeform: blockstream << archetypical shitgnome circus
mats_cd03: this is the impression i'm getting, too.
asciilifeform: funny how one can almost 'smell' these, without any need for detailed study
thestringpuller: cazalla: a pokemon exchange?!? lol. i think I may be the only one in this channel who plays pokemon.
nubbins`: no doubt
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> could call it.. the brockchain <<< lale
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: blockstream << lol i look at the founders page and of course gmaxwell is on it
asciilifeform: i propose that pseudo-bitcoin scamatrons be known as 'mockchains'
thestringpuller: its funny to see who is employing these "core developers"
thestringpuller: its like "the only thing I can do is work for cash burning start up or suck dick"
punkman: hey 20 million bezzlars, that's gotta last them at least a year
thestringpuller: so they run out of money not finding useful stuff to do and ask for more. so does this make all the core developers essentially beggars?
nubbins`: a beggar is not one who accepts money but one who begs for it
nubbins`: asciilifeform re: that book you posted earlier
nubbins`: they match puffin with "nuffin"
nubbins`: and leave a blank space in lieu of a picture 8)
mircea_popescu: punkbot these deals always depend on how much they actually get.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell ben_vulpes << barf log from one of my runs.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: downloading blockchain, take three. go!
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nubbins`: thinking about making a pgp infographic-type poster
nubbins`: gotta find a neat angle on it tho
cazalla: asciilifeform: i propose that pseudo-bitcoin scamatrons be known as 'mockchains' <<< why you gotta try oneup my brockchain :(
danielpbarron: you could stream pokemon trades through ashbot
nubbins`: haha
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mircea_popescu: actually, someone should make a backup service, exactly identical to tarsnap except it only accepts material gpg-encrypted to your key.
thestringpuller: what is the speed like on encrypting large files?
thestringpuller: with gpg*
mircea_popescu: on the current, symetric cypher based process, not bad. to the tune gbps depending on your system specs
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller note that the question is leading. sure, "aes optimised" hardware may deliver better performance, at an unknown cost to security.
thestringpuller: i guess maybe that is first test I will run on cardano: get arbritarily large file and find rate at which it decrypts/encrypts
thestringpuller: serve as good baseline methinks
mircea_popescu: cardano storage isn't very large.
mircea_popescu: so timing it won't be trivial.
mircea_popescu: “The legacy of Democrats and Republicans approaches: Libertarianism by bankruptcy.”
mircea_popescu: Nick Nuessle, 1992
mircea_popescu: who da fuck is this nick ? he knew it plain two decades prior.
mircea_popescu: Oh, for an honest Libertarian who would say "Yes, in Libertopia we'd have rampant quackery, organ-seizure, baby-selling, slavery in all but name - BUT THAT'S FREEDOM!" ~Seth Finkelstein
mircea_popescu: as it happens, i've been saying exactly that. course, the honest libertarian apparently doesn't personally use the terminology of some random polis to describe himself, nor does the random polis readily recognize him, and so... seth's safe.
mircea_popescu: “We have to offer up scary scenarios, make simplified dramatic statements, and make little mention of any doubts we may have. Each of us has to decide what the right balance is between being effective and being honest. ” ~Stephen Schneider, environmental activist, in _Discover_, Oct. '89
mircea_popescu: “Independent self-reliant people would be a counterproductive anachronism in the collective society of the future where people will be defined by their associations.” 1896 ~John Dewey, of the dewey system.
mircea_popescu: and on that note, gnite all!
cazalla: !up cryptoflood
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: find rate at which it decrypts/encrypts << not built for speed.
thestringpuller: still good metric to have if you expect to decrypt backup from it
asciilifeform: 'That the powers that be may have made it somehow understood that full disclosure might carry undisclosed, but very dire consequences indeed.' << lol
undata: asciilifeform: current political footballs include immigration and climate change...
undata: seems like he could've leaked us having gas chambers and the response would've been similar
asciilifeform: undata: one hypothesis is that the average chump has a limited width 'revelation register' that easily overflows.
undata: asciilifeform: could be
asciilifeform: undata: note, for instance, the reaction to the (ancient - 1970s) leak of u.s. having (empty) concentration camps, complete with concertina wire, waiting
asciilifeform: the reaction is, invariably, 'you nutter'
asciilifeform: see also:
asciilifeform: !s crank bait
undata: it wouldn't shock me if people have some hard-wiring to accept abuse from authority
asciilifeform: accept abuse - that would not be astonishing.
asciilifeform: but this is something else
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:35:56; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they wish to steal not merely the farmer's cow, but to also steal the farmer's "having being stolen from" << usg (and the 'enlightenment') in one sentence.
asciilifeform: the 'sense of stolen from' atrophied.
undata: ^ I found that a fascinating way of describing it.
undata: alienation, no?
asciilifeform: sorta like the folks who once proposed to grow chickens lacking brains
asciilifeform: this was accomplished. but not with chickens.
undata: yeah, I suspect they're paying people very well to find clever ways to subvert the language
asciilifeform: goes beyond subversion of language
undata: asciilifeform: hm, all ears
asciilifeform: at this point, quite a few people will not believe, e.g., the camps, even when they end up inside.
asciilifeform: it will be a 'temporary relocation center' to them, even when the shower heads start hissing out the zyklon.
undata: asciilifeform: is this some kind of cowardly reaction to mortality?
undata: "if I just believe the leader, I will be saved"
decimation: "Global capital is pouring into the USD" << USD, the original altcoin
asciilifeform not a shrink, cannot answer. but will point the interested reader to the - not really secret - chronicles of german camp inmates collecting scraps of ss uniforms, role playing the roles of jailers, other manifestations of syndrome
undata: asciilifeform: "house slaves" ?
asciilifeform: undata: if you're thinking of 'capos' - that's another phenomenon.
asciilifeform: elementary selling out for bread
asciilifeform: this here is something quite else.
asciilifeform: !s how the world works
assbot: 59 results for 'how the world works' :
undata: seems like the inmate has no choice but to accept the jailer/inmate dynamic, and then in madness runs for the higher symbolic ground
undata: whereas in the case of the guy who denies he's in a gas chamber, he's straining his best to deny the category
ben_vulpes: <cazalla> could call it.. the brockchain << YOU STOP THAT
asciilifeform: mockchain.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> ;;later tell ben_vulpes << barf log from one of my runs. << chrome is actually rendering this in my browser
ben_vulpes: what is wrong with the world
ben_vulpes: is that actually a text file?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: yes
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: it's the standard debug.log that bitcoind craps out
ben_vulpes: with a .gz suffix
asciilifeform: gzipped
ben_vulpes fell for the headfake
asciilifeform: what's the issue again?
ben_vulpes: nothing
kakobrekla: <ben_vulpes> what is wrong with the world < http headers
asciilifeform: i mean, it's actually a gzip
kakobrekla: browsers speak gzip
ben_vulpes: a i figured chrome tried to turn it into text, rendered it
ben_vulpes: but asciilifeform's server is setting a text header?
asciilifeform: quite a few browsers will try to ungzip
decimation: mike_c: "To enforce the law one must be above the reach of the law" is pretty much the US m.o. since... Nixon at least << nah, Nixon was actually trying to clean house, was pushed out by those who are above the law
asciilifeform: last u.s. president who tried to, well, preside.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'ERROR: ConnectInputs() : xxxxxxx mapTransactions prev not found xxxxxxxx' is likely the key, in some form, to the riddle
ben_vulpes: to the gdb, boys!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: did your run lead to a similar barf ?
decimation: asciilifeform: I've been reading Herr Kokkarinen, there are some great quotes there: "Instead of being some hardcore immigration restrictionist, I very much look forward to the future when we white devils become a minority in all Western countries... We educated conservative white males will prosper in the Balkanized low-trust society whose overburdened social welfare net has run out of other people's money and collapsed into a
decimation: bitter ethnic struggle over the few remaining spoils"
decimation: "The Brazilification of society can be a samba carnival assuming you approach it the right way, and most importantly, get to live on the pleasant side of the barbed wire fence."
decimation: "Naturally, we should also immediately start rationing those scarce medical nuclear isotopes used in cancer treatments, so that those who oppose nuclear power would always be the last in the priority queue to receive them."
xanthyos: !up aspirant
danielpbarron: oh hi aspirant!
danielpbarron: welcome to a channel that actually matters
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TheNewDeal: The FIRST bitcoin atm
undata: AML/KYC on a vending machine.
undata: a vending machine for numbers
cazalla: danielpbarron: you could stream pokemon trades through ashbot << i lolled
asciilifeform: << lol re: the seemingly total absence of physically relevant detail (does the thing scan fingerprints? arseprints?)
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asciilifeform: 'automated SAR filing' << l0l!
asciilifeform: don't withdraw 3k usd.
asciilifeform: or wait, do. refusing to do it is, iirc, its own crime in usa
asciilifeform: !s structuring
asciilifeform: ^ #b-a search is broken. why am i seeing text that does not contain the literal word 'structuring' ?
asciilifeform: are we 'google' now?
kakobrekla: that would be mthreat domain
assbot: 336 results for '"structuring"' - #bitcoin-assets search
asciilifeform will laugh if it comes out that #b-a search was using 'google' internally
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH2] 2000 @ 0.0012 = 2.4 BTC
punkman: stemming's handy, gotta be able to turn it off though
kakobrekla: i think its
asciilifeform: stemming's handy << no.
kakobrekla: >@mthreat
kakobrekla: Entrepreneur, hacker, software engineer. Founder of @getsearchify ( ). Previously employee #1 at .
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kakobrekla: just a guess though
asciilifeform: 'i meant what i said, and i said what i meant, a walrus is certain one hundred percent' - or how did that rhyme go...
asciilifeform: srsly, this is the last place i expected to run into 'luser phriendly' crud
asciilifeform: a turd is so much more offensive when in an otherwise pristine art gallery, than in a back alley.
undata: message ilike '%term%' and ...
undata: or postgres has some full text niceness
asciilifeform: no ill will for the author, but he is clearly using some stale dough in recipe.
undata: -ify, -ly, etc, tends to make me think the company will go under soon
asciilifeform: lyifyly.
asciilifeform: ^ suggested as name for next big silicon valley chumpfest
undata: asciilifeform: is that your branding company name?
undata: heh
undata: glossolalify
nubbins`: i made korean food for supper and it was so goddamn good
nubbins`: undata oo good one
mats_cd03: asciilifeform: doubtless the requirement varies based on jurisdiction. if its anything like the Robocoin ATM at the Hacker Dojo in Mt View, it'll be 1. palm print 2. photo 3. govt id
TheNewDeal: love all those little side dishes
nubbins`: i wonder what percentage of startups had their names chosen by pentecostals
mats_cd03: in the case of that idiot ATM, you have to provide all 3
nubbins`: TheNewDeal unfortunately with no korean market here, side dishes are a practical impossibility
nubbins`: i was barely able to scrape together ingredients for what i made
nubbins`: but still. first decent kimbap i've had in ages
mats_cd03: korean food is terrible
TheNewDeal: I had some spicy goat soup earlier this week, was delicious
asciilifeform: mats_cd03: anyone who agrees to use this abomination, deserves to be in the db
mats_cd03: the least refined cuisine of any culture i have ever had
TheNewDeal: you've traveled there?
mats_cd03: ok, terrible is excessive. but certainly least creative
asciilifeform: incidentally, anyone who makes any use whatsoever of these machines does so at peril of his life. because that db will eventually be put to use.
mats_cd03: i'm also not a big fan of koreans. so i'm biased.
asciilifeform: 'but i didn't send the coin to jihad' - tell that to the inquisitor.
nubbins`: mats_cd03 eat shit
nubbins`: korean food is the pinnacle of cuisine
undata: dat korean bbq
nubbins`: it is literally the only thing i miss about that place, and i miss it SO BAD.
asciilifeform: users of atm: there will be arseprints associated with some coin, somewhere, and they won't be mine. they will be yours.
mats_cd03: kbbq and kimchi is literally the only thing anybody in the known universe recalls of korean food
undata is unaware if that is americanized korean food
undata: mats_cd03: I also love kimchi, come at me bro
TheNewDeal: yes, it's tasty
nubbins`: kimbap, kimchi jjigae, mandoo, ddeok bokki, bibimbap, omu rice...
nubbins` drools
nubbins`: samgyeopsal..
nubbins`: undata kimchi is literally eaten with every meal
nubbins`: like, breakfast? kimchi and rice
mats_cd03: ive never traveled there TheNewDeal
undata: nubbins`: you do, or that's standard practice
nubbins`: i hate cold kimchi. but that's standard practice
nubbins`: they love it
undata: korans, world-class poopers.
undata: *eans
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nubbins`: there are -- no joke -- special appliances the size of large deep-freezes called kimchi fridges
nubbins`: and almost every home has one
nubbins`: and it's JUST for kimchi.
undata: I see no problem with that.
mats_cd03: used to be they'd just put the ingredients in a clay pot and bury it.
nubbins`: nah, it's great. when was the last time you saw a new major kitchen appliance that you'd never heard of?
nubbins`: mats_cd03 lots of old folks still do
undata: nubbins`: all the time, but alas, I am an uncultured southerner
nubbins`: you gotta get that old shit, like 1 year +
asciilifeform: norway ought to run a cultural exchange with korea, teach them lutefisk, rakefisk.
decimation: how to rot fish in a jar 101
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asciilifeform: lol piss fish
decimation: in south korea they sell 'kimchi machines'
undata: "It is also often served with the Korean alcoholic beverage makgeolli, which helps diners cope with the pungency of the fermented dish." << gold.
decimation: they look like freezers, but really are designed to hold the fish guts at the right temp and humidity to ferment
undata: I like eating fermented rot as much as the next guy, but come on people, standards!
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nubbins`: decimation we were literally just talking about that
nubbins`: <+nubbins`> there are -- no joke -- special appliances the size of large deep-freezes called kimchi fridges
decimation: heh sorry I'm not there yet in the logs
nubbins`: samsung made some nice ones
decimation: any building in korea where kimchi is made has a permanent 'stank'
nubbins`: you have no idea how many buildings that describes
asciilifeform remembers hearing similar factoid re: durian fruit
asciilifeform: in southeast asia.
asciilifeform: allowed in certain places, forbidden in others - like smoking in usa
TheNewDeal: better than fish sauce... that stuff smells horrid
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TheNewDeal: Walked by a dumpster at a sushi joint and I almost vomitted
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TheNewDeal: what is MRT, some metro?
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TheNewDeal: hating on durians, the bastards
decimation: when I lived on the east coast I used to walk to work. at one corner, there was a 'crab shack' with a dumpster - in the summer the smell was repulsive for at least 500 feet
nubbins`: i've never tried durian
mats_cd03: durian is a weapon of mass destruction
mats_cd03: as a young man i ruined the interior of a rival's BMW with durian extract i bought on the internets
decimation: wow that's pretty nasty
nubbins`: hahaha
nubbins`: a rival!
mats_cd03: i still have the vial, half full. 'for emergencies'.
TheNewDeal: does it smell?
mats_cd03: ya. it lives in a box lined with dryer sheets
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asciilifeform: mats_cd03: most people use methyl mercaptan, i thought
asciilifeform: cazalla: gsm, fingerprint wallet << rofl
cazalla: asciilifeform, don't forget the camera
kakobrekla: shutup she is almost cute
cazalla: who is gonna use such a thing? i don't even need to be technically minded to know there is no chance i would use a wallet with a camera
mats_cd03: yeah i suppose im not most people
asciilifeform: aha, and 'cloud.'
asciilifeform: someone is simply hardware-trolling ?
thestringpuller: ;;ud hardware-trolling
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kakobrekla: also did you see the rigol
kakobrekla: same stuff ascii showed up with
kakobrekla: gotta be legit
asciilifeform: wai where
kakobrekla: the video
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asciilifeform: kakobrekla: nope. that's the cheapo rigol
asciilifeform: no logic analyzer.
kakobrekla: sorry i forgot which model you had, recalled the brand.
asciilifeform: this is the miser's version of the one i have
decimation: asciilifeform: is there a good free vhdl simulator w/timing analysis?
decimation: xilinux stuff sucks
asciilifeform: vhdl specifically?
decimation: yeah, unfortunately
asciilifeform: i use 'verilator' and have also used 'icarus'
asciilifeform: but both verilog-only
asciilifeform can't stand vhdl
asciilifeform: verbose garbage.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what i can't figure out is why the rigol appears in that film
decimation: yeah it is annoying how you must put 50 lines of pro-forma crap before you actually code
kakobrekla: asciilifeform to let us know they spend more on the video than their tech gear
asciilifeform: or why soldering monkey (almost painful to watch)
kakobrekla: yes, not even doing anything real
asciilifeform: 'no real things were harmed in the making of this film'
kakobrekla: fits the desc of the device
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asciilifeform: cazalla: ^ consider for 'qntra'
thestringpuller: what's the story?
asciilifeform: taken from the ad kakobrekla linked
asciilifeform: a scene of a kid pretending to solder
asciilifeform: there are a few more of similar derps pretending to debug, etc.
nubbins`: cazalla something like this might let you have a bit more usable real estate on the sidebar
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nubbins`: those ul bullets are taking up a massive amount of space
asciilifeform: that clip was unbelievably loathesome, so much so that even hard to begin describing how
nubbins`: interrducing cayss
nubbins`: we can soddrrr
asciilifeform: and i didn't even have audio switched on.
cazalla: <asciilifeform> cazalla: ^ consider for 'qntra' <<< amusing now that i've googled what a solder bridge is, i wouldn't want to add it and act smug as if i knew prior though
cazalla: nubbins`, i'll defer to BingoBoingo for that
cazalla: asciilifeform, maybe post it as a comment then you can get credit for pointing it out
decimation: I don't get it, some blonde rambling is loathesome?
nubbins`: cazalla BingoBoingo the underlined links should also go, they look not nice
nubbins`: in the sidebar, i mean
decimation watched without skipping, realizes the loathesomeness
decimation: lol that guy put like a gallon of solder on that dip
nubbins`: how does it steal my bitcoins?
nubbins`: they don't touch on that at all
decimation: that clip is a parade of every nerd stereotype
decimation: also here's her PhD: "Dr. Melanie Shapiro holds a PhD in Consumer Behavior and specializes in customer acquisition, branding strategy and digital marketing. "
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kakobrekla: > Melanie excels at using the most up-to-date social tools to creatively promote a brand and attract relevant customers.
decimation: ;;rate -1 melanie_shapiro crass propagandist
gribble: Error: 'melanie_shapiro' is not a valid integer.
decimation: ;;rate melanie_shapiro -1 crass propagandist
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
nubbins`: dat cable of appropriate length
kakobrekla: some sort of arduino with a keypad
decimation: if that were a EE senior design project I would give it an F
kakobrekla: anyway the logo is not so bad
decimation: Decadence does not derive from an excess of civilization, but from the attempt to take advantage of civilization in order to elude the prohibitions of which it consists.
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