asciilifeform: shinohai: i see empty pg
asciilifeform: iirc the 'law schools' were actually sued, for making concrete claims of employability of graduate, and ~lost~, but somehow this was magicked away.
asciilifeform: in re the computational spaceheater wars -- the loss tally from 'overflowable arrays' is still a-runnin'.
asciilifeform: there's a second half to that parable tho. which is that german tank/mg/various were not only expensive, but complex.
asciilifeform: meanwhile, uy1 up (1 day + 20h ) , avg temp for last 12 hr : 52C
asciilifeform: mod6: out of curiosity, what was the symptom that pointed to the item ? floor cratered ?
asciilifeform: mod6: not missed, contemplated flight is mid-march
asciilifeform: mod6 ~30hrs nao, avg tmp. ~48C
asciilifeform: rms held on to microphone long past his sell-by date by playing a sort of zhirinovsky against background of microshit empire. but iirc we had already this thrd.
asciilifeform: iirc mircea_popescu had a piece where 'empty people make noises to fill the void in their skulls' or how did it go
asciilifeform: but localized the boojum to 'libnss' (which turned out to be component of glibc, and not removable)
asciilifeform: pons & fleischmann imho are models of respectability compared with yarvin. ( and wasted 9000x less time of thinking folx.. )
asciilifeform: i take a kind of perverse entomological interest in sad rsatrons. ( e.g.: bolix, interestingly, had a -- nonconstant time, of course -- bignum stack, but at least it was reasonably compact.. )
asciilifeform: ( 'paid' a weekend to solve that olympiad thing, was all )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: on contemplation, this is yet another place where rk utterly wins -- it is possible to include a very compact source of backup power, survive fairly long brown/black-outs
asciilifeform: ( unfortunately these are impractical to transport )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i am thinking we oughta install a simple mains voltage logger (i've witnessed in the past, brownouts which took out 1 box ( where current load at the moment happened to exceed what's in the ps caps ) while leaving dozen others untouched.. )
asciilifeform: meanwhile, on uy1 , highest cpu temp recorded was 50c (10 hrs ago)
asciilifeform: 1 of the reasons i put this in the l0gz is that when i went to dig, turned up that erry attempt to date to do sumthing nontrivial with 'stochastic multiplier' broke teeth against rng quality.
asciilifeform: then to get integers back out, you run the process in reverse, via another comparator. it converges to the desired answer in finite ( depending on rng quality ) clock ticks.
asciilifeform: you represent the inputs ( any # of'em ) via stochasticizers, i.e. each 1 gets a comparator that eats N bits of rng and outputs a 1 if they represent integer <= the currently latched binary number, 0 otherwise.
asciilifeform: and meanwhile, in sunken atlantises : j. von neumann, the afaik last fella to really invent anyffin in re kompyooting, actually devised an interesting application for fast unbiased rng ( which did not exist in his time ). can use it to multiply large numbers with near-total noise immunity, using only an 'and' gate and two comparators.
asciilifeform: ( in the empty skullcase of the orc king, somehow made sense to have a hired hand run his pgptron.. )
asciilifeform: lobbes: 4th was with my own hands, new kernel emplaced
asciilifeform: leaving the temp/voltage/etc item running ( and will run until further notice . )
asciilifeform: i thought we were discussing the outrageous howler that 'dc would warn if 1 box in a 42u has 1 chip 40c over temp'
asciilifeform: and the halon gets pumped.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'is 3 tonne auto here or not' is very diff problem from 'what temperature is the red hot nail inside this 30kg crate'
asciilifeform: what's the temp 1m from a hot iron ? ~room.
asciilifeform: dc has nfi what temp is inside our box
asciilifeform: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1871 << typical example of when caps.
asciilifeform: hanbot: today i set up realtime stream of system log + voltages + temperatures + fan rpm to the torture room, was expecting to find thermal problem, so far 0
asciilifeform: shinohai: nifty eulora piece. yer ahead of asciilifeform in that battlefield, i've yet to attempt building eulora
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in darkest lulzafrica, 'Today we’re happy to announce that Urbit’s address space, now called Azimuth, is live on the Ethereum blockchain... We want Urbit to be a reliable, durable, permanent computer that’s simple to use. Today Urbit is still a prototype, not a consumer product. But we’re making great progress'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if we live to bake the fpga router thing, will be interesting to give it a ring buffer that'll hold coupla 100MB of frames, and dump'em to flash upon any unsanctioned reboot of attached irons.
asciilifeform: for comparison, the 1 time dulap-III rebooted without sanction, was in may, when BingoBoingo elbowed the mains cable
asciilifeform: there's a 1024bit example in that piece, and coupla others
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after ffa is fielded, i'ma add gmp etc carmichaelisms to phuctor.
asciilifeform: ^ spoiler: gmp uses prng for witness gen
asciilifeform: in other olds, 'The 256-bit integer q = (2x + 1)(4x + 1) with x = 0x400286bac15132db85b1c936709f369b passes 15 rounds of GMP’s primality test mpz_is_probab_prime_p...' ( Albrecht et al, aug. 2018 , https://eprint.iacr.org/2018/749.pdf / http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/3QLGp/?raw=true )
asciilifeform: iirc there's a sequence that nails all composites < 2^64 . so could be handy for primorial generators ( vs. eratosthenes etc ) .
asciilifeform: 1 interesting maffs problem , is whether you can generate a sequence of witnesses that will tell troof of compositivity for ~any~ externally supplied N , up to given bitness. ( and as i understand this q is isomorphic to bach's generalized-riemann item that diana_coman dug up. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: observe that you can trivially generate an arbitrary-long sequence of liars for any composite N.
asciilifeform: ( readers should also prepare themselves for following proof of why m-r worx, i'ma not simply cite the lit )
asciilifeform: just nao wrapped up setting up realtime voltages/temperatures/etc output.
asciilifeform: cpu temp 45.5C (out of 85 permitted), chipset 30.8 (75 permissible) (i'ma omit further reports on subj for nao, unless thing actually is found to melt)
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: soon as this is done, i'ma graph the machine temps/voltages.
asciilifeform: update: aaand ben_vulpes (who is orig builder of UY1) didn't see it fit to build the k10temp kernel mod, so i can get cpu/chipset temps and ps voltages.
asciilifeform: in the past , asciilifeform encountered cases like this and resorted to dumping physical mem images. but doesnt expect mircea_popescu to do this
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: is your thought that attempts to cut cost are entirely wrong thrust ?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the painful troof is that's riotously 'uncompetitive' vs. ~the reich~, where 'same' price gets you 100mbit/bidirectional ~per machine~
asciilifeform: diana_coman: plz dun see the orig statement as ' asciilifeform presumes that diana_coman is dummkopf and problem is trivial, asciilifeform can do it with 1 hand '. i simply dun like to see people sitting stuck, is all.
asciilifeform: i'ma include a few obvious approaches as example tapes, but it is NOT the intention that anyone use'em as-found.
asciilifeform: this allows 'P' to be a constant-spacetime operation, and hands the decision of 'just how important to constant-time the whole prime generation' to the author of the tape.
asciilifeform: take for example diana_coman's system , where 16 witnesses are used. ( i'd use moar, but let's go with the example. ) so if we're generating 2048b primes (for 4096b rsa mod), per ch.14b timings on asciilifeform's iron this costs ~2.9s per modexp, and thereby ~93sec per m-r procedure.
asciilifeform: unrelatedly: diana_coman , were you ( or anyone else... ) ever able to derive a bound for 's' in m-r ? ( http://ossasepia.com/2017/12/28/eucrypt-chapter-3-miller-rabin-implementation/#selection-125.2765-125.2766 )
asciilifeform: ... or i suppose if yer still stumped next friday night, then.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you're utterly stumped, i can allocate some cycles to the problem tomorrow -- with mircea_popescu's permission ( i swore to him that i will not embroil meself in matters euloric , recall )
asciilifeform: errywhere else there's a massive noise component
asciilifeform: this appears to be the kind of boobytrap that can only be found empirically.
asciilifeform: 'Jam runs on UNIX, VMS, NT, OS/2, Mac OS X, and Mac MPW' << if troo, notbad at least in re portability
asciilifeform: btw it is possible to build cpp with gnatmake, believe or not ( i only tried for simplest case, but does work )
asciilifeform: it , if one is to believe the docs, implements the '83 standard.
asciilifeform: phunphakt: in ye olde bolixtron, there is an ada ( and fortran! ) compiler. (however asciilifeform has not tried either item, beyond 'hello world' )
asciilifeform: 'new shithouse is built from the rubble of the old, not imported brick' or how did lenin put it.
asciilifeform: last night i re-read diana_coman's piece on m-r , it is interesting just how much sweat diana_coman had to put in simply on account of koch gnarl
asciilifeform: Mocky: ( yes stein is a pretty simple item, quite unlike e.g. barrett, but still gotta give pedantic convergence proof for it )
asciilifeform: this is the 'pre-sieve' variant contemplated.
asciilifeform: grr, moar complicated than i initially pictured, because m-r ~also~ demands rng
asciilifeform: ( all of this assumes that nothing is parallelized. asciilifeform in particular does not like parallelized subcomponents in rsatron, if it can be avoided , tho there aint anyffin wrong with running ~multiple~ rsatrons , on diff inputs, in parallel , if iron is available )
asciilifeform: let's say yer baking one of the p, q of a 4096bit rsa mod. it needs 2048bit , i.e. 256byte of FG. a standard FG at room temp shits out 7kByte/s. therefore 256 / (7 x 1024) ~= 0.0357 sec., for a fillup of candidate register.
asciilifeform: next can complain that newton didn't put out 7bit ascii.
asciilifeform: and hey, iirc google (or was it crapple?) occupies the old sgi campus
asciilifeform: in other esoterica, on gentoo 'xinput' dumps list of mice, and then 'xinput --set-prop yermousenumber 269 -1' switches off mouse-acceleration. ( possibly phf already knew this, but gives 9000x moar usable roller )
asciilifeform: complete with tiny little chopper, held 1 d00d
asciilifeform: they carry cheap imported pistol, cuffs, flashlight, and the traditional 'democratizer', and these props havent visibly changed in asciilifeform's living memory
asciilifeform: it's impossible to 'win argument' against 'tanana cant hear you', yes
asciilifeform: my current impression is that most dun leave anyffin but a memory ( and sometimes a dusty warehouse )
asciilifeform: you may recall that the impossibility of signing a concrete, physical fg, continues to give asciilifeform headache
asciilifeform: yaya only olympus is life
asciilifeform: ( for aficionados of earlier subj -- http://xahlee.info/kbd/itac_mouse-trak_trackball.html compares a coupla similars )
asciilifeform: ( with -- afaik -- no meaningful competition on quality. sorta like fg )
asciilifeform: they aint fully separate in my head, cuz i aint an olympian
asciilifeform: i suppose oughta separate the 'which one would rather be condemned to' from 'which moar loathesome to the olympian observer'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there are public fools, who spam impotently; and there are other folx, whose existence, however wretched/inca-besotten, is silent . i see the latter as less loathesome. this may be an ideological diff, i have nfi.
asciilifeform: m mircea_popescu's olympus they are indistinguishable, the way untrained human cannot distinguish 2 types of wasp necessarily, will think 'wasp'
asciilifeform: item contemplated upstack was no sort of 'berth of freedom from inca'. d00d designing turbine parts in broom-closet-sized office, seeing no living faces other than in lift, is a thing, seen with own eyes. for the privilege he pays 2-3x tax ( and can , yes, be 'defrocked' at the whim of whatever gosplan commissions the workpieces, if rocks boat. ) however it is quite diff from life as inmate inside cube hell, subjectively. granted fro
asciilifeform: hey some folx not simply 'fire self' but eat nagant, also
asciilifeform: meanwhile, also in zoology, but somewhat diff faces, witness http://www.fishcamp.com/photo_gallery.html
asciilifeform: current-day lusercomp has approx as much to do with '80s research lab, as http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-01#1877160 has with mircea_popescu's bmw
asciilifeform: it's gone, what's left is descendants of 'computer shopper magazine' and other 80s chump-baits
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly; but i'ma not that despite many unfortunate yrs spent in the company of the degenerates populating that 'biz', never once witnessed a perpetrator describable as female
asciilifeform actually dug into subj of implementing compact 'soft' acoustic-modems on e.g. ice40, yr or so ago, for fyootoor applications
asciilifeform: meanwhile, in 'mit phuctor'-style lulzattempts at thefts from republic, http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/vL8Rj/?raw=true << d00d implements keccak for z80, and naturally claims great 'invention', where , e.g., 'new meaning to retrocomputing-based perfect forward secrecy. In the contemporary concern about tampering and traps in our computing devices...'
asciilifeform: lol! 'i owe my soul to the company store'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: well orcistans typically can't afford to do what usg does ( i.e. print green with which, among other things, to pay chumps to use cards, in the form of 'reward point' )
asciilifeform: it has 'level 9000' incaization potential tho. hence the interest in the 2 major inca camps.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lzGMl/?raw=true << for thread-compleeetness, traditional form of stein's algo.
asciilifeform: hm i distinctly recalled a thread where he agreed to work as eulorist -- or was that a temporary thing
asciilifeform: or, vice-versa, import and fire the necessary cpp knobs from the ada.
asciilifeform: for comparison, ada sores of ch14 ffa, incl. comments, weighs ~300kB
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885053 << recall the infamous rat temples of india..
asciilifeform: ( in this case, to make enemy have to sweat to simply determine ~what cryptosystem~ particular key is for.. )
asciilifeform: imho yes. actually using 'we have a comp' for sumthing tangible.
asciilifeform: the problem of even beginning to break, becomes , from empty space, exponential.
asciilifeform: it took asciilifeform 2y ( 3, if you count the mpi dead ends ) to build ~that~ deathray. and it's just about ready to fire..
asciilifeform: ideally , one'll be able to implement any crypto scheme without having to rip into the ada; simply by writing pcode.
asciilifeform: oh hm i recall nao. ( it was because operator 'P' wants to be a general-purpose primality test, valid for any input whatsoever that fits in the ffawidth, rather than simply 'generate prime' )
asciilifeform: simply so happens that it is also needed for rsa primegen.
asciilifeform: it is used to take gcd(x, primorial(currentwidth)) , and if it dun equal 1 or x , then x is 'cheaply known composite' .
asciilifeform: orig q was whether it is possible to improve the constant factor of stein.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in moar pedestrian matters : daykin's algo , turns out, aint good for much -- at least, not in anyffin like orig form. consider the case where P is large ( but not at all close to complement(P) ) and Q is 1.
asciilifeform: ( for the l0gz, refresher: pcode is meant to give a mechanically simple system where yer privkey is a pcode string, and so is yer pubkey, and so are ciphertexts, and whole mechanism is set in motion simply by feeding pcode to the processor )
asciilifeform: diana_coman: btw it is perfectly ok also to simply invoke the knobs exported in ffa.ads directly, but then you gotta take care of 1) endianism of the words being put in and gotten out , to match yours 2) testing for div0 , as done in http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/hypertext/ch14/ffa_calc__adb.htm
asciilifeform: theoretically great, in practice they seem to send those back in chains to washingtonschwitz if they're subjects of trumplincton rather than africa
asciilifeform: ( phuctor, ftr, uses a (patched, to enable bigger ints) old gmp. with asmisms enabled. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mpi is subset of gmp that koch cut ( and ate $mil of microshit payola to do it, somehow ) , aha.
asciilifeform: i've been referring to mpi and gmp interchangeably as 'koch rsa', but this is unscientific, i must remind that they are diff items.
asciilifeform: mpi had only (ugly as fuck) karatsubatron.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: possibly i ought add : ~mpi~ dunhave strassen. ~gmp~ (the older, 'uncut' gnu thingie) has strassen.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i described in this log what currently stands between 'throw out mpi' . lemme know if needs moardetail.
asciilifeform: ( i dun have e.g. strassen's multiplication algo, and dun have any plans to implement, it only wins for multi-megabyte ints )
asciilifeform: ( when i have ~complete~ sys, ~then~ mircea_popescu can go 'hmm, which one to sew ~here~' etc )
asciilifeform: and as of right nao it's the only ~complete~ rsatron we have, i.e. that knows how to bake privkeys
asciilifeform: diana_coman implemented prototype, using koch
asciilifeform: the 1 phf went to implement and not yet came back with.
asciilifeform: algo's pretty simple btw, 1970s thing ( tho iirc it aint in knuth aop for some reason )
asciilifeform: and yes it worx. you give it a similarity matrix (i.e. 'what differences are important, in the order of their importance' in matrix form) and it produces an alignment.
asciilifeform: i posted a complete needleman in cl ( also a draft, rather than troo genesis, nobody stood up and said 'i want this' so shelved ) 2y ago, also.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884588 << lol pretty compact
asciilifeform: he straight-out complements.
asciilifeform: he uses a complement.
asciilifeform: aand nao for an archaeo-sumthing compleeetely different : http://www.loper-os.org/pub/daykin/index.html
asciilifeform: incidentally might be interesting to get that lens baked as... a pcb ( commercial pcb houses will do al instead of cu, at comparable cost , plus whatever drillings )
asciilifeform: it's a compound lens.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: possibly i said this before, but i am not fond of arm -- it is horrendously ugly, complex, single-vendored ( the multi-vendoritude is an illusion, they all use same british turd mask ) . i picked it as 'best horse in glue factory' for the application, is all.
asciilifeform: i'ma post complete recipe laters.
asciilifeform: given as most warez is already compressed
asciilifeform: ( assuming incompressible payload )
asciilifeform: i ask because i have a 9GB disk image from that bolix 'macivory' ( recorded using the 'alpha' from earlier thrd ) but am reluctant to simply put on dulap, soaking up bw for errybody
asciilifeform: ( e.g. http://btcbase.org/log/2017-05-26#1662671 , and other examples i documented in 2016-7 l0gz )
asciilifeform: btw no doubt must remain whatsoever re this point in the mind of anyone contemplating switching off the range checks in their build (this buys ~2x 'phree' speedup)
asciilifeform: i took the approach where i built the thing maximally-compactly, and then proceeded in direction of 'now let's make it go in less than geological time'.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: where at all possible, i tried to use ~simpler~ algo than what was given by knuth. e.g. karatsuba without moving pivots.
asciilifeform: hence the importance of other thinking folx giving the thing a thorough walk.
asciilifeform: currently yer the champ in ffaology.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-03#1884045 << heathen www, hosted on garbage hoster, but turned out to be packed full of useful retro-comp tidbits, is all.
asciilifeform: i dunthink classic dec had this horror either (who the fuq! needs colour blinkies in a bios setup?!) , it's a post-compaq-acquisition box
asciilifeform: was hoping there was a simple 'vt220 rightnao' flag i overlooked.
asciilifeform: he report. from the age of five, i knew what is 'last round' -- the little shining key that opens in your skull (or heart, tastes vary) the door to soviet Valhalla. the pistol always seems to me not simply a personal, but an intimate weapon, a tuning fork by which one measured resolve: put its barrel to your noggin, and think, will you be able to pull the trigger when the right time comes ? the warring motherland , surrounded by foes
asciilifeform: came with buncha 'sample' dox crapola, but near as i can tell it's a snoar
asciilifeform: i've actually found decent (not constant time, but didn't need, it only checked sigs) rsatrons in malware samples -- kB or so of asm. it aint exactly mystery, how to bake
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re 'homebrew crypto', there actually was a 1990s plague of commercial shitware folx who flunked arithmetic and then went to 'implement rsa', with exponent = 1 and so on
asciilifeform: ( tldr : gmp not only relies on 'assert's to barf on various 'prohibited' conditions like even moduli, but barfs coredump ~with seekritz~ and ~cannot be switched off~ )
asciilifeform: btw in other gmp lib lullities, https://www.openwall.com/lists/oss-security/2018/12/31/1
asciilifeform: granted, scythe of 'father time' does impose an asymptotic bound on the whole thing. eventually usg will be 100% resemble staff of arsebook, google, etc, then curtain call.
asciilifeform: the 'uncut' gmp is not afaik used anywhere in our mechanisms, with the exception of phuctor, where a (patched) variant is used for bernsteinization
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i didnt try patching out the test ( given as it's got montgomery, the answer will be soup ) but did try for odd exp, got ~same~ as for the nonconstanttime gmp knob ( which is pretty hilarious, means that they dun do anything differently for 'constant time' variant, evidently )
asciilifeform: fwiw ordinary (no attempt at constanttime on their end) mpz_powm() , gives 0.005s . (so the asm does help'em.)
asciilifeform: https://gmplib.org/manual/Integer-Exponentiation.html#Integer-Exponentiation >> 'void mpz_powm_sec (mpz_t rop, const mpz_t base, const mpz_t exp, const mpz_t mod) ... It is required that exp > 0 and that mod is odd.'
asciilifeform: in other noose, earlier this wk , asciilifeform tried to repeat http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2906 test , but using 'gmp', the 'uncut' version of koch's thing, with asmism etc. but lo and behold, it is apparently impossible to repeat the full test battery, because :
asciilifeform: 3ware/lsi (vendor) used an oddball japanese cpp compiler, also
asciilifeform: thing has not only debugger, but 'kermit'-compat 'xmodem' shell, in there.
asciilifeform: btw it is possible to dispense with FZ_LoMul , and simply discard upper chunk of ordinary karatsuba product. this costs ~10% cpuwise, and may be justified for some proggies.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-28#1883605 << it is impossible to defend against this criticism, as formulated, so i won't try
asciilifeform: ( where it dun make sense to make anymoar changes without simply baking new item out of the dismembered corpse of old )
asciilifeform: which can carry some qty of change ( i hold to the practice of keeping'em reasonably compact )
asciilifeform: it also has gut component.
asciilifeform: possibly mircea_popescu is simply less thick than asciilifeform and expected the find
asciilifeform: gpg itself is substantially moar crippled than koch's mpi lib
asciilifeform: incidentally, it's a 'fair fight', i.e. both ch14 ffa and mpi-koch lack asmism
asciilifeform: for all that intel tried, it was not able to stuff anywhere near the poundage of complexity-liquishit found in even old www browser, into x86 .
asciilifeform: btw i'm not aware that he published his complete mechanism. ( did he ? )
asciilifeform: ( as well as various incompats. erry 10 or so links that asciilifeform feeds to 'archive', dun actually archive. not even via the 'hypothesis.is' and similar kludges. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: paradoxically it is the simplest known pill.
asciilifeform: can haz whatever one likes in the emul, even , say, 'internet exploder' complete with bugola, etc
asciilifeform: ( implication , naturally, is that even if the sig coad were to be replaced with constanttimeism, it would not appreciably change the cpu cost of noad.. )
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/ddm7r/?raw=true << for compleetness of the l0gz, 1337 w4r3z -- sheckley, 'prize of peril'.
asciilifeform: despite not empathizing with derp
asciilifeform must admit nao that asciilifeform has not been following in realtime the tard squeals of recent yr of trumpreich, and so cannot comment on 'orange' etc
asciilifeform: rrright, but was speaking of trump the stage character, as played for ameritard consumption
asciilifeform: phf: i've also bought a period (msdos-powered!) paltron, will attempt reading the original pals this wk
asciilifeform: this is re the component-side, naturally. (flatbed is unbeatable for the flat side imho)
asciilifeform: ( and the only reason not from 2003 comp, was that i wanted moar bitness, back then, for address lines )
asciilifeform: thinking moar re the 'sense of time' thing, i suspect that my clock stopped where ~anything last happened~. e.g. i'm posting from a 2009 comp.
asciilifeform: ( or even earlier , feynman had a 'some people do physics, others -- stamp collecting' thing )
asciilifeform: see i read 'how cia' and thought implies 'dirty trick'
asciilifeform: 'ivory' aint much transistorwise by current-day measures, but at ~370,000 is slightly moar than its contemporary i386, and defo bigger than anyffing afaik that amateurs anywhere reversed to date.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-25#1883039 << iirc i explained in prev thread: i have a veerry limited supply of samples. and so, i'd be willing to share 1 with a commercial lab, supposing i had with what to pay, or the proprietor were serious re 'pro bono'. but not so excited to give to some d00d who uses rust remover and layers,whatlayers, etc
asciilifeform: ( and , for completeness, a second, http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_top_a_super.jpg , http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_top_b_super.jpg , whynot . again ~300MB ea.! )
asciilifeform: i'ma share a pair of example inputs: http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_bottom_a_super.jpg http://www.nosuchlabs.com/pub/bolix/pic/ivory_bottom_b_super.jpg (warning: 300MB! each!) .
asciilifeform: http://ossasepia.com/2018/12/24/a-week-in-tmsr-10-16-december-2018/comment-page-1/#selection-95.505-95.623 << mircea_popescu is implication that this is an underhanded thing to do ? cuz i dun see any diff b/w trinque's wallet eating unsolicited coin for the glory of trinquedom, and asciilifeform swallowing unsolicited packets ( i.e. without valid customer ip as dest addr ) ditto
asciilifeform: in other oddities and 'where on the net is this discussed? nowhere?', http://www.loper-os.org/pub/bolix/bolix_lamp_peek.jpg << old-fashioned 2layer pcbs are interestingly transparent to visible light. (obv. whole thing, aint, but give surprising amt of info otherwise not accessible )
asciilifeform meanwhile got hold of a gigantic flatbed scanner, with afaik densest available sensor, '9600x9600 dpi', which in human units is ~3 micron / pixel. which'd be aaaalmost enuff to simply scan the die, if i had the naked die... but i'ma scan the pcbs with it, and the xray film, when i get hold of the latter.
asciilifeform: impressive dead bridge. a++ 'indiana jones' tropical hell.
asciilifeform: important not to confound the shannon bit with the practical. sending a dozen rsagrams, for instance, 'leaks' (in the sense where it is not difficult to derive) the public mod; which contains (again, from shannon pov, obv. nobody knows how to extract it trivially) the private.
asciilifeform: the simplest algebraic variant is shamir's split (which trivially nukes 'knownplaintextism'). but it introduces a usable relationship b/w plaintexts, which is The Wrong Thing, and is how i ended up with 'hmm automata?' etc
asciilifeform: 'how come our '82 3rdhand 'commodore' has basic and these mega-comps dunhave'
asciilifeform: ( tho, interestingly, this 'quadra 650' machine , per https://archive.is/G2Gd0 , orig. sold (empty!) for ~2400 (1993!) orcbux. )
asciilifeform: literally simplest possible (afaik) rsa.
asciilifeform: i dun presently own any examples of the last two mentioned irons, so gonna need some help (anybody have a ppc?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: example, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/ffa/modexp_tests/10k_shots_512bit_ffa_slid_rnd.tape
asciilifeform: it's pretty surreal experience, in asciilifeform's archaeology room , when going over pile of boards stamped 'made in usa'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: if sad old man had even 1 squad of actual loyal men, there's be tanks bulldozing harvard and rape camps for the http://trilema.com/2013/rape-is-fun-or-lets-fuck-up-adria-richards etc
asciilifeform: cattle dun revolt, and castrated cattle dun even stampede. during obummer reign, police pushed, what, 10mil ameri-sads out of 'their' houses, which left to rot; and at cost of what, 1, 2 dead sheriffs ?
asciilifeform: iirc i said this after end of yr1 of trumpreich, 'guess what, still can't tell who is in white house by looking out of my window'. and can say it again at end of 2nd yr. machine is built for continuation of 'biz as usual' at all costs, and will work while it has physically with what.
asciilifeform: intel did 'even better', by rolling the field back to ~before time of babbage~, who, recall, managed to eat ~20% of brit empire budget simply on promise of baking ~log table~ without eggogs ( and , arguably in a kind of 19th c. bolix affair, succeeded but overran cost to death )
asciilifeform: ( fwiw asciilifeform tried 'orgmode' at length, decade ago, but didn't like, found that it does ~90% of what i needed, and the remaining 10% felt like same amt of work as simply using plain txt files + grep entirely. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i happen to know that the 'mit tyranny' consisted of standard patent agreement. which some folx 'ohnoezed' and 'preemptively' bowed over, and others -- simply raped, and laughed all the way to bank.
asciilifeform: this is much broader item than simply in re bolixism thread.
asciilifeform: i realize this aint news to mircea_popescu , but gotta put in the l0gz for all the folx who aint 10,000 y.o. olympians
asciilifeform: old folx want to 'feel relevant'. if you throw'em this bone by preemptively 'promising to seekrit', they'll eat it up. if you throw different bone, will also eat.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: to add moar weird to the story, last night dks actually answered, with 'i'ma dig for some PAL stuff, will write back after newyear'. old man simply moves slowly. ( and notice that i did not have to swear masonic oath to him !111 )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this was the basic thrust behind asciilifeform's http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1882088 jumper setting.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-21#1882424 << i'ma bet you found the d00d through asciilifeform's links sect, where he has a well-deserved place for useful elisp material. ( does mircea_popescu have something specifically against 'orgmode' , or simply in the habit of spitting on anything he dun use personally ? )
asciilifeform: that's simply how beelzebub made him.
asciilifeform: ( i actually have an example of a decayed 1, elsewhere )
asciilifeform: i aint presumptious enuff to suppose that i can re-create 'all of it + some + hookers & poker' without dig of orig.
asciilifeform: the 1 and only ~sane comp built to date.
asciilifeform: it's the 1 example of the fucking spaceheaters , in whole history of that pseudo-field, that wasn't built by monkeys.
asciilifeform: from my pov, if you 'interest in comp' and aint a bolixologist, yer breathing air in vain
asciilifeform: phf: elaborate plz re how asciilifeform's effort 'compromises what i'm trying to do'
asciilifeform: previously i had nfi why he wouldn't simply pass on the goods as-is
asciilifeform: cuz that's where empty space was.
asciilifeform: phf: i was under impression that there were missing instructions
asciilifeform: cuz from earlier line i am forming the impression that not
asciilifeform: i'm at the point in the affair where i got specific physical q's , the answers to which will enable nondestructive probing of the handful of samples i got.
asciilifeform: phf: i aint in particular hurry ( possibly unlike mircea_popescu , who wants to emphasize the imho important larger point ). i won't even have time to properly touch the thing until finished ffa. but plz consider what i suggested today.
asciilifeform: phf: i dun need to post 'the dump' with the bloody yellow dots.
asciilifeform: phf: if dump weighs TB and (apparently) after whole year phf still not eaten it, might make sense to pgp to asciilifeform . i'ma not post the raw docs and their yellowdots.
asciilifeform: if they turn out to be readable, i'ma simply copy'em all and emplace the copies instead of the orig, which are already approaching their rated theoretical life.
asciilifeform: diff is that when trump dies, clitler will collect the 11. whereas usg's 9000 owed needs martians to land to collect.
asciilifeform: i.e. 'so they stole empty suitcase, whatevers' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so hypothesis then is that it was ablative coating on rocket of actual trumpfoundation?
asciilifeform: 'we dare you to do something about this so can impeach'
asciilifeform: seen from asciilifeform's lens, episode is part of the larger 'kick dog till it bites, then shoot it' campaign of pantsuit
asciilifeform just this morning finished the 'space' proof of 14b, also grappled with 'meaning imposed by unsaid'
asciilifeform: ere often special highly singular cases which later turned out to be central to understanding a situation). He used to talk about posing "critical doubts". He had his own standards and was happy to reexamine a "proof" and make it more nearly complete. Unfortunately Severi, the last in the line, a fascist with a dictatorial temperament, really killed the whole school because, although he started off with brilliant and correct discove
asciilifeform: 'cyber threats' is, a la prb, smoke grenade to obscure the actual ur-'cyberthreat' to reich, i.e. comp stack sans usg
asciilifeform: 'strategy' inherited from brit empire.
asciilifeform: phf srsly what gives ? wai not just post the uncensored dump. dks certainly aint coming to moscow to shit in your air conditioner.
asciilifeform: the empty seats inscribed 'spare' also interesting, and reminiscent of ye olde ibm pc with 'hey, some drams rotten, we'll sit new ones on top'
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this particular item is stamped '91. ver. 1 came out in '86.
asciilifeform: ( and yes got bottom side pic and close-ups etc. there are no components on side2, only trax )
asciilifeform: when i get around to pumping'em out of the cam, will post
asciilifeform: btw, FZ_Measure only happens 1nce during a modexp, and is around 0.01% of the cpu cost. but i'd still like to have the simplest mechanism.
asciilifeform: they set'em going as soon as sailed and went out of range of euro lymphocytes
asciilifeform: a++ effective, time-tested chumpatron in 'new world'
asciilifeform: ( the jesuits baked. and it's a riot. when jp was pried open in 19th c, the euros found some 'christians', promptly barfed -- the cleanup job shogunate did wasn't quite 100%.)
asciilifeform: phf: and yes i'ma post 25mpixel shots of top, bottlm, ditto for daughterboard, and full chip id with links to datashits