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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Yes, as you have observe the local trash digging critters here in the Oriental Republic are more skittish than the panda vermin.
feedbot: http://pizarroisp.net/2019/01/06/pizarro-update-january-6th-2019-november-and-december-2018-statements/ << PizarroISP -- Pizarro Update January 6th, 2019 - November and December 2018 Statements
ave1: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884619, I worked on arm-ification of the UDP lib, this is done but write up is stuck.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 14:32 mircea_popescu: ave1 is, i suspect, silently working on gnating things -- which is fine and valuable except for the silently part. there's this tendency of lone wolf scientist to not properly report failures, out of an imaginary saving of time and resources this permits. it must be said that NOTHING could be further from the truth, nothing at all -- there's more to be gained from a properly reported failure to find than out of ten shiny succ
mircea_popescu: what happened to it ?
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ave1: well arm part works, but I wanted to do some more experimenting with how the call the asm, as register allocation cannot be specified in GNAT
ave1: adding register allocation to gcc turned out to be too gnarly for this round
ave1: so, yes, failure
ave1: needs a write-up
ave1: other thing is the ebuild script for gnat
ave1: for cuntoo in gnat
mircea_popescu: it is ~very~ useful to explain how things like this blew up, in writing. both for others today and for you tomorrow.
mircea_popescu: i know it seems like a waste of time on the spot, the first time.
mircea_popescu: it's a false impression.
ave1: I have installed previous cuntoo versions, but have no machine free at the moment and I concluded from early reports here in the log that it did not work yet, so I postponed this work.
mircea_popescu: Mocky a lot of the femstate's "solutions" to problems consist of this sorta acceptance bs. about as unsuprising as biology can ever get.
ave1: About reporting failures, the reporting itself was also failing, but I will pick this up.
ave1: Time wise, my last job ended in december and I started new job this year. Both finish- and start-up demand(ed) more time than I had earlier foreseen.
mircea_popescu: how these things go.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884834 << i like the elk hunting theory, but i actually had a flu the past week
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 16:40 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884626 << i suspect phf is hunting elk in kamchatka, or similar , atm ( i.e. still waiting for http://btcbase.org/patches?patchset=ffa refresh , so i dun think he's been at console much recently )
lobbesbot: phf: Sent 1 week, 2 days, 6 hours, and 13 minutes ago: <asciilifeform> plox to snarf ch. 14b into http://btcbase.org/patches , ty !
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884626 << i wasn't meditating, i just don't have the mental energy to defend myself. i'm in russia primarily to take care of my grandmother who has dementia, and she was in a pretty critical state when i got here. i'm sure it'll stabilize, but as of right now i don't trust myself to have rational conversations around sensitive subjects online.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 14:38 mircea_popescu: so, phf : how about you start clearly communicating yourself, beginning with a complete, correct and true to life adnotation of said discussion in your own hand, because this "ima go meditate on things until everyone involved forgot what i was meditating on" isn't a workable approach to intellectual life.
phf: i have nothing to dispute in the thread or in the consecutive conversations that i wasn't part of. for one, i think i lost my shit (i'm sure week 2 of grandmother also didn't help), because the very first mp reaction was the whole deal, with my role and the outcomes being immediately obvious: i made amorphous promises outside of the republic, and then attempted to badly navigate around them, with the inevitable result. trinque's
phf: "talking past each other" comment was on point, i don't know about asciilifeform, but i was just shouting.
phf: i don't see sharing of parts, or the whole with asciilifeform under whatever terms, etc. irrespective of what will be done as resolving anything: i made original promises in good faith, and i'll be breaking them. my ideas of how to work around that were idiotic and in retrospect that was an obvious mistake, which ftr asciilifeform avoided by refusing any kind of dealings. on the other hand the point
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881941 was previously lost on me, so my committment outlay is a given, with the inevitable conclusion of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881910 i figured that out before the tmsr conversation, so the whole thing was just a public reveal of my idiocy, salt on the wound if you will
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:37 mircea_popescu: the very substance of http://trilema.com/2015/heres-what-they-dont-tell-you-when-they-bring-you-those-papers-to-sign/ is ~specifically~ DO NOT MAKE saeculum promises, it will bar you from republican life.
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:24 mircea_popescu: i am however NOT dealing with people who have your sort of committment outlay.
phf: i agree that the secrecy approach doesn't work, i wasn't the driver behind it, i was skeptical about it, but i wanted to see it play out, and it failed spectacularly. i did the relevant manual labor and promised not to share what i got out of it. and yes if i thought about it, the blood oath puts me in the position of the very same whisperers, where whatever i have i can't make use of. my vague comments about old men and gold chests are
phf: the result of reflecting on the idiocy of the whole secrecy approach: i basically got suckered by promises of future great reveals, did free work while also locking myself into the selfsame structure.
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884837 << remote work, but you also have to remember that i moved away much later in life than you did, i have a very large meat wot here
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 16:44 asciilifeform: i admit that i'm at least a little curious how phf finally managed escape velocity from the bigzone, but if he doesn't feel like spilling re subj, also won't cry.
phf: asciilifeform: also snarfed
phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884636 << if i put that at the top of the free time work list i can get it out fairly fast, but i think keccak regrind that diana_coman is blocked by comes before that anyway
a111: Logged on 2019-01-05 15:10 asciilifeform: err, bin ~delete~ knob
mircea_popescu: phf i'm not going to pass in silence over the obvious "check it out, there's no women in phf's fambly, he's taking care of the last one by own hand" comment ~because~ i like you.
mircea_popescu: yes, obviously your apparent "escape to russia" was just deeper capture ; yes obviously your attempt at corrupting teh fiat backfired. things will continue to work this way for you for as long as you continue acting like a woman, because biology works a certain way and everything else is driven by that and that's what it is.
mircea_popescu: nor am i going to congratulate mocky on his downstream spawncount ; and also because i like him. spawning is a biological function of women, as remarkable as taking a meal, and the day ima start congratulating people for drawing breath is the day i have no further need of myself.
mircea_popescu: the reason i wrote http://trilema.com/2018/patriarchy-vs-matriarchy-the-straight-dope/ wasn't that i was bored that day ; or that i don't like people. for as long as you continue thinking your value is established by some woman, you will continue having the same ~type~ of problems. they can be colored any way you like, and lives can readily be spent in that coloring exercise ; but as far as substance is concerned they will be
mircea_popescu: what they will be and precisely naught else.
mircea_popescu: the sad part, and a problem very much in the vein of the http://trilema.com/2014/la-florida-and-other-places/#selection-111.0-121.824 duality, is that men ~ARBITRARILY~ deciding to live in a matriarchy doesn't merely fuck over them ; it fucks over everyone, now the females of your generation are stuck living in the same shit whether they want to or not ; because unlike your case, there's exactly jack shit ~they~ can do about
mircea_popescu: it. hence all the lashing out.
mircea_popescu: as a factual matter, there's nothing you can say to keloid. it's made out of cells and cells are deterministic mechanisms. societal scar tissue however is the result of ~deliberate choice~ that is then just as deliberately hidden from the self ; not of some sort of complicated protein signalling.
mircea_popescu: all that said, there's no bad blood here. i have infinite time (in the sense that the republic is eternal, not in the sense that i've been around for seven milennia or thereabouts) and every boy has to take his own fucking journey to his eventual himself. for as long as you can continue speaking the truth you're perfectly welcome here, as everyone ever is ; the magic of the workings of the log permit us a luxury no men knew b
mircea_popescu: efore -- that is, zero-cost shouting ; (the bounty of that experience also readily provides us with a luxury no woman knew before -- that is, zero-cost defloration, the experience of the "significant" cost of expression as perceived afore the fact dissolving into nothingness with the consummation, "what a big deal writing this blogpost was going to be that it didn't turn out to be after all") ; and so following.
mircea_popescu: eat, pray, love, or how did that go.
asciilifeform: ha, mircea_popescu woke up 1st!
asciilifeform: guten morgen mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: perhaps he'll at least inherit the flat...
mircea_popescu: that was the most odessa jew thing you ever yet said.
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885072 << danke schon, phf. and i aint gonna kick you when yer down, we can always come back to the thread laters.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:47 phf: asciilifeform: also snarfed
asciilifeform: hey phf, does the left switch on your cst billiard ball seem muffled vs the right ? i can't decide if mine's defective or not, just noticed last night..
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885069 << i'll take off hat ; realizing this mistake is perhaps 1st step from alchemist to chemist
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:42 phf: the result of reflecting on the idiocy of the whole secrecy approach: i basically got suckered by promises of future great reveals, did free work while also locking myself into the selfsame structure.
asciilifeform: ( and it's a correctable mistake, but again we can come back to this laters. )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i woke up at night with the following wtf : you can actually make ~any~ gcdtron converge in same steps as stein's, cuz any time the buffer is even, you can shift it right (unshared factor of 2); and then when you add (or subtract) these odds, you get another even ( and can do it again ) etc.
asciilifeform: so theoretically can have a steinized daykin ( it remains to be sweated out whether this is moar economical than stein, i'ma get to it today )
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885042 << this'll be handy when i get to asmized variant of inner muls in ffa. looking forward to reading ave1's piece.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 05:26 ave1: well arm part works, but I wanted to do some more experimenting with how the call the asm, as register allocation cannot be specified in GNAT
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885070 << neato. ( asciilifeform also remotes, but asciilifeform's meatwot is economically ~useless naodays, and so asciilifeform lives under eternal damocle's sword of ending up like mocky . )
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:44 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-05#1884837 << remote work, but you also have to remember that i moved away much later in life than you did, i have a very large meat wot here
asciilifeform: ( e.g. in 2016, i spent >6mo rowing on a loathesomely usgistic slave galley, while in search of new remote )
asciilifeform: and was dead in the water, from tmsr pov, the whole time
a111: Logged on 2018-11-30 03:07 asciilifeform: zx2c4: you may find it interesting to learn that i once worked in a dour 'salt mine' where shat out 'correctness proof' all day. in 'sage.'
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885053 << recall the infamous rat temples of india..
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 05:29 mircea_popescu: Mocky a lot of the femstate's "solutions" to problems consist of this sorta acceptance bs. about as unsuprising as biology can ever get.
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885065 << if anyone is curious, in the vein of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863563 : there's a very strict and very obvious distinction between the ~types~ of promises ; typified by the "forever &ever" coda of imperial bullshit. my slaves serve ~at will~, which is to say until i get tired of one and not a moment longer. there's no security available, offered or contemplated. compare an
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:41 phf: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881941 was previously lost on me, so my committment outlay is a given, with the inevitable conclusion of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881910 i figured that out before the tmsr conversation, so the whole thing was just a public reveal of my idiocy, salt on the wound if you will
a111: Logged on 2018-10-18 17:42 Mocky: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-10-18#1863546 >> if this is true then "you're not smart enough be here" is as meaningful as "not telepathic enough"
mircea_popescu: d contrast this with "marriage vows" or whatever bullshit in this vein.
mircea_popescu: saeculum promises include the unpromiseable so regularily as to naturally create the suspicion it's deliberate.
mircea_popescu: so the idea of http://btcbase.org/log/2018-12-19#1881910 isn't as much "don't make promises to people outside the walls" ; it's rather "don't make the ~sort of promises~ they make outside the walls ; but if you're too young to know the difference don't make any at all".
a111: Logged on 2018-12-19 19:24 mircea_popescu: i am however NOT dealing with people who have your sort of committment outlay.
mircea_popescu: "being in legal trouble" is generally a decent first order approximation of that youth. (not that the empire isn't abusing imagignarly "legal process" to attempt to wage war and other such bs, but i guarantee you nobody targetted some schmuck selling fireworks in rural bumfuck because of his roger ver-ness.)
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2015-07-08#1193607 << this makes for a pretty lulzy re-read, in the context of the meanwhile better fleshed out notions of structure and trees and whatnot. isn't it obvious, asciilifeform , that the ~substantial difference~ is not at all the "head rng" but simply the extension and especially quality of the conceptual trees involved ? the "head v" so to speak ?
a111: Logged on 2015-07-08 19:34 ascii_field: far more interesting is the trait hasn eysenck called 'psychoticism'
BingoBoingo: In other news... amazing how comment spam shifted from viagra to... http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/LvP1y/?raw=true
mircea_popescu: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/4YRQW/?raw=true << meanwhile this is what a myspace pageload looks like these days (they call it "facebook" but it's the same "valuable" nonsense by&for morons turner used to make a small fortune out of a large one)
asciilifeform: lol what is that, 50MB ?
mircea_popescu: just the sheer insanity of the js loading model. who the fuck can't put it all in one file ?
asciilifeform: y'know, not only it never made much sense when written, but they put it through mungers also
asciilifeform: can't exactly put rowhammer.js where errybody'll ~see~ it, lol
mircea_popescu: "dDLzd487PGS.js" is 718514 bytes ; "uGPoR8851vS.js" is 730348 bytes. this is just a SECTION
mircea_popescu: there's never been, since the origin of the world, cause or use for a full 100kb of js. what fucking 730k, there's not that much to say in that scriptlang.
asciilifeform: for comparison, ada sores of ch14 ffa, incl. comments, weighs ~300kB
mircea_popescu: much like "all that needs to be, or can be expressed in redskin tongue takes <1 page, which is why they don't need writing, can remember a page"
BingoBoingo: lol, I actually had occasion to hear Incan language last week.
mircea_popescu: any good jokes ?
BingoBoingo: Hard to tell. ~half the conversation was in spanish. Girl's dad made a phone call because he went into the city as he does from time to time.
BingoBoingo: Apparently there's no phones up in Llama herding country
mircea_popescu: maybe they eat the towers.
asciilifeform: mountains 'eat' towers.
mircea_popescu: god knows goats eat shirts. maybe llamas eat sheet metal
asciilifeform: sorta why darkest africa has gsm , but not inca
BingoBoingo: Possible, Goats are know to eat sheet metal and Llamas are big goats in hairy armor
asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885123 << it's deliberate. they fiddle'em regularly, and section'em so the unfiddled bits stay cached
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 16:55 mircea_popescu: just the sheer insanity of the js loading model. who the fuck can't put it all in one file ?
mircea_popescu: i would be utterly surprised if this worked at all.
mircea_popescu: i expect what really is going on is that they have half dozen copies of the "same" lib, diff versions, w/e, and they load them all i nthe hopes one works.
asciilifeform: i dunno how one'd even begin to answer the q of 'whether it works'. what even means 'works' when referring to the anthill.
mircea_popescu: cuz whenever they hire a new "engineer" he just dumps more code in the pub and that's it, "he fixed things"
asciilifeform: ( does it spawn new anthills ? apparently does. do the ants survive winter ? sadly also apparently yes )
asciilifeform: and yes they keep 9000 copies of 'same' lib.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> cuz whenever they hire a new "engineer" he just dumps more code in the pub and that's it, "he fixed things" << AHA Heathen WP Pluginisms
asciilifeform: 'foolib #3133 worx with barlib #4331 last we knew' and so on
BingoBoingo: Yes, in Angloland "escuela de Rugby" might imply something vagualy masculine, but here... It's old women trying to save little boys from futbol
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885068 << for my curiosity, was that labour anything like nicoleci 's ph trans[actions] trans[cribing] ?
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 09:42 phf: i agree that the secrecy approach doesn't work, i wasn't the driver behind it, i was skeptical about it, but i wanted to see it play out, and it failed spectacularly. i did the relevant manual labor and promised not to share what i got out of it. and yes if i thought about it, the blood oath puts me in the position of the very same whisperers, where whatever i have i can't make use of. my vague comments about old men and gold chests are
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc he described it: agreed to go to indiana jones warehouse and manually photograph manuscripts
mircea_popescu: a a right.
diana_coman: does anybody know whether/how can I use Ada task types from C/CPP code? afaik from GNAT docs there isn't a way to export task types as such
asciilifeform: diana_coman: what wouldja even ~do~ with ada task type from cpp ?
asciilifeform: you can't signal it, or do anyffin else useful to it, there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf is 9000x moar genius spy than asciilifeform , evidently -- i tried 9000 ways to sweet-talk dks into 'lemme into that warehouse', summed to 0
asciilifeform: for that matter, i never even was able to learn where it was ( to any moar precision than 'hbomb radius' )
diana_coman: asciilifeform, the concrete mess is this: smg_comms is in Ada, has sender and receiver task types so one can create those as needed, perfect; onth eulora client is this ball of CPP mess and it's unclear to me if it can even be made to use smg comms as it is or what
asciilifeform: diana_coman: can , but i suspect you'll need glue
asciilifeform: ( i.e. ada knobs that are ordinary procedures and can be fired from the cpp )
asciilifeform: or, vice-versa, import and fire the necessary cpp knobs from the ada.
diana_coman: in the vein of "fork in cpp and from that thread call Ada proc that then spawns tasks"?
asciilifeform: iirc diana_coman already is quite well-versed in the subj from baking eucrypt
asciilifeform: why wouldja need to fork in cpp if you have ada tasks ? make the cpp coad reentrant and call it from the tasks
diana_coman: mainly because the whole thing is anyway only one thread of the mess as it were; but yes, reentrant should work too
asciilifeform: diana_coman: admittedly i dun know enuff about your proggy to say whether it is possible to make ada piece 'prime mover'
diana_coman: ugh, I was rather hoping I was just thick and not getting it
asciilifeform: diana_coman: if you 'de-thread' the cpp item, you can call its knobs from ada task. is what i meant 'reentrant'.
asciilifeform: then you dun need to try an' pry open the internal structure of ada task to somehow fiddle it from inside cpp.
asciilifeform: it's what i'ma do to trb after i solve the mmap thing.
diana_coman: myeah, all sorts of practical restrictions to consider here; I just wanted to make sure I'm not overlooking some available option before weighing them
diana_coman: sadly it seems I'm not
asciilifeform: the 1st step to adaizing a cpp turd is to remove the cpp threadisms, they will not only not work with ada's sane tasking but actually destroy the guarantees of the latter
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885097 << you can't simply shift the buffer just because IT is even
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 15:45 asciilifeform: so theoretically can have a steinized daykin ( it remains to be sweated out whether this is moar economical than stein, i'ma get to it today )
asciilifeform: hm i think i missed a thread..? diana_coman mircea_popescu ain't Mocky the client dev ? why is diana_coman stuck baking client also..?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mocky did some (very good btw) work on the foxybot ; then went to qatar ; now looking for job.
asciilifeform: hm i distinctly recalled a thread where he agreed to work as eulorist -- or was that a temporary thing
mircea_popescu: iirc was coupla months.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you can shift; so long as you increment counter when you've shifted ~both~ a and b buffers , cuz that's an actual shared power of 2 factor. ( it's what happens in stein )
asciilifeform: if only 1 of a,b is shiftable (i.e. even) that's an unshared factor of 2, and preserves gcd if removed.
asciilifeform: sorta why stein works at all.
asciilifeform: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/lzGMl/?raw=true << for thread-compleeetness, traditional form of stein's algo.
BingoBoingo: ;tldr Teen scams unicife out of 1000 USD, national news
feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=2943 << Loper OS -- A Solid-State HDD for Symbolics MacIvory Lisp Machines.
asciilifeform: ^ phf, amberglint, possibly other 'junkyard wars' folx ^
feedbot: http://qntra.net/2019/01/usg-sanctions-drama-gets-embarassing-as-foreign-officials-barred-missile-offers-rejected-by-allies/ << Qntra -- USG Sanctions Drama Gets Embarassing As Foreign Officials Barred, Missile Offers Rejected By Allies
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo has lead << led
BingoBoingo: ty, fxd
BingoBoingo: Turkey just keeps delivering
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'nasa' is a bag of lulz, even by usg standards -- entirely a 'whitewash' project for ye olde 'black budget', historically ( when e.g. 'shuttle' worked at all, was used largely to enorbit $maxint-yet-disposable spy cameras )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well, thing was born as pseudo-civilian cover for missile technology development
asciilifeform: orig. yes
asciilifeform: copied in turn from hruschev's lulzidea
asciilifeform: ( usg seems to have copied just about erry hruschevism, down to the corn thing )
asciilifeform: ( d00d was a mega-believer in the plant and 'let's use it for errything' )
BingoBoingo: Well as far as agriculturally sourced chemical inputs go... Corn offers big yields in exchange for big nitrogen...
BingoBoingo: It's a weedy annual grass
asciilifeform: not so big yield when you factor in the petrol (not only for tractor, but for pesticide, herbicide, etc.) mircea_popescu has a mega-piece re subj.
asciilifeform: it has 'level 9000' incaization potential tho. hence the interest in the 2 major inca camps.
BingoBoingo: Well, that's the story of all state projects. The "factor in" part.
asciilifeform: point, from lizard pov, is not so much to '+ev project', but to put new nails in the coffin of the independent farmer.
BingoBoingo: 's easy to hide the inputs behind big ears
asciilifeform: ( monsantoization was specifically a refinement of ~that~ )
asciilifeform: centralized seed distribution from inca palace, wet dream of 5000 yrs of inca.
BingoBoingo: Independent farmers get screwed on every crop. It's a matter of degrees.
asciilifeform: last 'independent farmer' in the reich lands, i suspect, died during reign of carter. if not earlier.
asciilifeform: ( i.e. ~actually~ independent, dun need city man for anyffin, not petrol, not toilet paper, nuffin )
BingoBoingo: Ah yes, even the Amish go to Walmart in the US
asciilifeform: aaand they take 'paypal' at the market. via ipnoje.
asciilifeform: i shit thee not.
BingoBoingo: Plenty of times in old country I'd see the Amish buggies going up IL-13 to the Murphysboro Walmart in order to commune with Inca
asciilifeform: for all i know , somewhere in the reich there's still an old amish d00d remaining, plowing field with horse, eschewing ipnoje, etc. or maybe usg already found him and put into психушка and took land for unpaid tribute.
BingoBoingo: Well, one thing the oppresive VAT here does is keep something of a cash economy alive
asciilifeform: well orcistans typically can't afford to do what usg does ( i.e. print green with which, among other things, to pay chumps to use cards, in the form of 'reward point' )
asciilifeform: likbez for outside-reich folx : in reich, when folx pay with e.g. 'visa', vendors lose ~5% (they pay for privilege of eating it) and konsoomer wins ~5% ('reward point', exact qty varies by flavour-of-the-day)
BingoBoingo: They try that here. Many of the big chain sucker traps here will offer incredible discounts for using the right card to the point it is anti advertising the pricing of their wares.
asciilifeform: chains yes
asciilifeform: i was speaking of general-purpose 'bank gives you 5% of the spent money back'
asciilifeform: it varies by vendor, and whether yer an idjit (idjits pay interest, cuz they actually use the card as a credit line)
BingoBoingo: They try that here too. Pay with card get X% back as VAT rebate.
asciilifeform: but when, e.g. asciilifeform bought bolix, ~200 orcbux of its cost came back.
BingoBoingo: Then again here they also have this privatized food stand deal where employers can issue a part of employee pay as "alimentation tickets"
asciilifeform: lol! 'i owe my soul to the company store'(tm)(r)
asciilifeform: they do that here with train tickets.
BingoBoingo: Indeed. Which network the employer picks determines employee dietary decisions.
asciilifeform: at one point i noticed that at the food market , good chunk of the crowd wasn't paying with money, or even card, but with wooden monopoly money thing . mostly mex-looking chix, with children. turns out, it's what 'welfare' comes in naodays
asciilifeform: the tomato-sellers take it to usg booth and trade it for ordinary moneys, minus tax.
jurov: /znc clearallchannelbuffers
jurov: oops :)
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/minigame-smg-december-2018-statement/ << Trilema -- MiniGame (S.MG), December 2018 Statement
mircea_popescu: in other lulz, check out the smoldering wikirage : https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cigarette
mats: asciilifeform: any idea what thats called? i thought 'food stamps' (EBT) are a debit card
lobbesbot: mats: Sent 1 week, 4 days, 4 hours, and 42 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> MP-WP hardening and enhancemenst, please acknowledge receipt http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/r1dkc/?raw=true
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what part of it is interesting ?
asciilifeform: massive snoar , loox like, entirely like other wikisms
mircea_popescu: let's take the first para.
mircea_popescu: "A cigarette is a narrow cylinder containing psychoactive material, usually tobacco, that is rolled into thin paper for smoking. Most cigarettes contain a "reconstituted tobacco" product known as "sheet", which consists of "recycled [tobacco] stems, stalks, scraps, collected dust, and floor sweepings", to which are added glue, chemicals and fillers; the product is then sprayed with nicotine that was extracted from the tobacco
mircea_popescu: scraps, and shaped into curls.[1] The cigarette is ignited at one end, causing it to smolder and allowing smoke to be inhaled from the other end, which is held in or to the mouth. Most modern cigarettes are filtered, although this does not make them safer. Cigarette manufacturers have described cigarettes as a drug administration system for the delivery of nicotine in acceptable and attractive form.[2][3][4][5] Cigarettes ar
mircea_popescu: e addictive (because of nicotine) and cause cancer, chronic obstructive pulmonary disease, heart disease, and other health problems. "
asciilifeform: mats: 'wic'
mircea_popescu: ~none~ of the points are factual. moreover, imagine an "encyclopedic" article on, say, obama, in the same terms.
mircea_popescu: or "no child left behind", or "black women employed in federal bureaucratic positions"
mircea_popescu: or what have you
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's afaik ~exact description of ameri-cig. and for that matter, ameri-chicken, an' similar product
asciilifeform: floor sweepings.
mircea_popescu: eh, "exact description" in a very selective sense.
asciilifeform: picture how vegetarian might describe a sausage maker's shop. esp ameri-sausage.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, nicotine is not addictive. for the other thing, EVERYTHING in the us is glue paint and floor sweepings, from usda a+ beef to coca cola.
mircea_popescu: you don't see THAT mentioned in those articles, do you ?
mircea_popescu: you don't see "african americans are the scum of the human race, accidentally transported against their own capacity to our lands" in the respective article, do you ?
asciilifeform: they also dun mention 'sky is blue' and 'water is wet'..
mircea_popescu: whole item is entirely free of any objective content, consists entirely on subjective positioning./
mats: asciilifeform: ah, i see, SNAP uses EBT cards, WIC does not
mircea_popescu: anyway, the point is precisely the ridoinculous pretense of wikitards that their particularly weird and slanty libel sheet is exactly not-that.
asciilifeform: it reads exactly like ~erry other wikipg.
mircea_popescu: well no, the page on http://btcbase.org/log/2017-11-04#1733001 doesn't say "sue gardern is a sad sack of neoplasms". though this is factually true, all humans contain some neoplastic tissue.
a111: Logged on 2017-11-04 16:40 mircea_popescu: in entirely unrelated lulz : the "womenz in tech" dynastry of aparatchicks over at wikipedia is pretty lulzi : sue gardner's lengthy tenure ended (she was recycled to nsa honeypot "tor project") to be replaced by lila tretikov, two bit russki scammer gal who got sent off (over the whole "knowledge engine" failed wikimedia http://btcbase.org/log/2017-10-26#1729324 attempt) to be replaced by katherine maher.
hanbot most recently ran into this particular flavor of wikiwank when looking for specific incident lead on ms-13 the other day, was bombarded by "trump falsely claims!!!"
mircea_popescu: http://btcbase.org/log/2018-05-05#1810279 << aphra bern is not "inconsequntial pickpocket" and so on.
a111: Logged on 2018-05-05 18:05 mircea_popescu: aand in other items of entomological interest, the wikipedia take on politicized pseudo-literary criticism is something else. aphra behn is lionized, because they're ever-so-desperate to discover, invent or if need be entirely hallucinate "remarkable" cuntbearers of the shakespeare period that some random jailbird is A HEROINE OF FEMINISM!!!
mircea_popescu: hanbot im sure it got a whole "orange man" spray paint, to cover over the cracking in the previous "ows" paintjob.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re tobaccism and its discontents -- i find lulzy that 'secondhand smoke' hysteria expanded to include those electrical things that emit theatric-'smoke', somehow with straight face, even tho less poisonous than typical chix perfume, or vodka breath etc
asciilifeform: ( cuz it was never about poisons, noshit )
mircea_popescu: hey, witchcraft.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to my eyes that item reads like perfect self-parody.
trinque: http://btcbase.org/log/2019-01-06#1885215 << I know of a biz in oregon, grows all manner of crops, independently owned by revelations cult, makes own biofuel, but yes, they might be the only one.
a111: Logged on 2019-01-06 23:04 asciilifeform: ( i.e. ~actually~ independent, dun need city man for anyffin, not petrol, not toilet paper, nuffin )
mircea_popescu: it's techically illegal in the us anyway, "impede interstate commerce".
asciilifeform: indeed, famously
asciilifeform: ( the very moment, really, when all remaining pretense of 'this aint a reich, and fdr aint fuhrer' was dropped )
asciilifeform: !#s wickard
asciilifeform: ^ see also
a111: Logged on 2017-11-28 16:12 asciilifeform: an incidentally interesting bit is that gardens are an 'unprincipled exception' in usgdom just as they were in su. theoretically a garden aficionado owes every 4th tomato or whatever his 'bracket' is, to usg, as tax; things that grow from the ground count, famously, as 'income' -- even if not sold -- per 'wickard v. filburn'
billymg: there is also now a copy of the mp-wp vtree here http://billymg.com/mp-wp-vtree/
billymg: it was mostly a search and replace job but i took care not to blow away intentional .gif or .png references
mircea_popescu: there are such ?!
billymg: well, not used as image references, but other instances of those strings. used in, e.g. matchers in a conditional in some script
billymg: although i believe there was one valid .png reference for avatar.png that links to the avatar.png hosted on a commenter's blog
mircea_popescu: right, right.
mircea_popescu: good point.
billymg: it's been nice working on this, if there are other items people want to see done i can look at those too
billymg: i think there also might be some opportunities to remove code from mp-wp. for example, the included tinymce browser text-editor plugin seems to come with three different themes. i haven't looked too closely but i'm guessing only one of them is actually used
mircea_popescu: i expect you could prolly cut the loc in half, with some sweat.
billymg: if that's a worthwhile goal i wouldn't mind tackling some of that next
mircea_popescu: definitely, cutting down loc is god's own work.
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