ben_vulpes: although the notion that you can design any 3d part of any utility without inventor or solidworks is pretty lulzy
ben_vulpes: it ain't under vibratory load or anything
ben_vulpes: oh just beef it up some
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> where'd ya get the O2 O3 combo << shlomiel moment
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: CXXFLAGS=-O2 -std=c++03 -> CXXFLAGS=-O2 -O3 << is this braindamage of my own design?
ben_vulpes: all these old names popping up.
ben_vulpes: a RagnarDanneskjol!
ben_vulpes: looks bad for the back.
ben_vulpes: i've more or less given up at this point.
ben_vulpes: decimation: i've wasted 3 days over the past two weeks trying to get a modern browser to boot into x11 for os x.
ben_vulpes: they're not real keys, as far as i care.
ben_vulpes: sure, why not.
ben_vulpes: "fix this issue with your keys?"
ben_vulpes: the apple binary signing process is hilaribad.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: other people in the shop use the apple toolchain and the android toolchain. all i ever do with those is "turn the right nut" when it comes to "signing" binaries for apple/google and cutting builds.
ben_vulpes: a pauper is i.
ben_vulpes: go ibid
ben_vulpes: ruby as necessary to unfuck other people's mistakes.
ben_vulpes: python, bash, clojure.
ben_vulpes: :P
ben_vulpes: clients
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> use the expected values for your machine. << ahahaha "expected values" ahaha as if
ben_vulpes: thanks for the patience, much of this is over my head. but what better way to contaminate my mind with the c toolchain than bitcoind
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: CFLAGS should read something like -I/usr/include ?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: aha. in the middle of it already.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: re portotronic, what's the right thing to do with CROSS_PREFIX for non-arm builds? omit from script entirely?
benjamindees: ...
benjamindees: I've read everything you linked so far. It seems mostly sarcastic, which I don't really follow since I don't read your logs anyways.
benjamindees: feel free to correct me
benjamindees: I've seen a couple of people say similar things. It seemed natural that if you are for a 1MB limit, you would be for sidechains as an avenue for growth or at least to keep the alts at bay.
benjamindees: Adlai, I'm wondering what you all think about it. I was under the impression you were for the idea.
benjamindees: more transactions == growth in transaction volume == more fees, not just higher fees
benjamindees: "there are two avenues to pay for it." <-- I disagree with this, by the way. The third avenue is to pay for it with more transactions, since the major costs (mining) are fixed.
benjamindees: so, you're saying sidechains are better than alts
benjamindees: mircea_popescu, ain't nobody got time for that
benjamindees: I'm asking more from a philosophical perspective.
benjamindees: so you are generally opposed to sidechains?
benjamindees: it's my understanding that you all are generally in favor of sidechains?
ben_vulpes: mhmsure.
ben_vulpes: people may definitively lose interest, eh?
ben_vulpes: there's always something silly happening in the backwaters
ben_vulpes: lol in portland?
ben_vulpes: iirc, i hit 70.
ben_vulpes: ticket was officially for 60 in a 30.
ben_vulpes: i got a reckless driving charge one time.
ben_vulpes: <herbijudlestoids> [] deployment tools, config mgmt, automated service discovery etc << /me is tres jelly
ben_vulpes: next career
ben_vulpes: sage words
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it gets worse. some even work for me.
ben_vulpes: <Adlai> it's funny/sad how parenting reverses over time << oh this is great news you mean i have to take care of both ends? great.
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> srsly, whoever asked that, read the damn thing << for those blessedly uncontaminated with "c machine" constructs, it's hard to tell where the "c++" leaves off and the "boost" begins. it's clear that it's used in every for loop (c++ doesn't have iteration constructs?!), but the question if you didn't read closely enough was "why bother?" not "should one?"
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: ok ok
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
ben_vulpes: !gettrust assbot herbijudlestoids
ben_vulpes: ;;ident herbijudlestoids
ben_vulpes: and an herbijudlestoids!
ben_vulpes: i went heads down, next thing i know you asshats have crapped out 800 loglines
ben_vulpes: well that was quite the refactor
ben_vulpes: ok ok i'll do my own research next time
ben_vulpes: i guess that answers that
ben_vulpes: i can't tell if it's me or thestringpuller on your ignore list kakobrekla
ben_vulpes: i thought the automation was implicit.
ben_vulpes: ...
ben_vulpes: glhf
ben_vulpes: come back with actual citations, troll
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: when have i ever done such?!
ben_vulpes: peer review, testing in production, what's the difference anyways
ben_vulpes: yeah explicit deps are nice
ben_vulpes: forgive the naivte, but what does static compilation buy one?
ben_vulpes: assuming, that is that all boost functions start with BOOST_
ben_vulpes: doesn't look like there are that many different boost functions called.
ben_vulpes: i am full of questions as to how that's implemented
ben_vulpes: but as to danielpbarron's pointer...
ben_vulpes: well okay i grok that it's related to thread safety
ben_vulpes: i have no clue, man.
ben_vulpes: a well-reasoned critique. thanks punkman.
ben_vulpes: what's so bad about boost?
ben_vulpes: okay hey so devil's advocate for a moment
ben_vulpes: punkman: asciilifeform proposed snipping the crypto routines out of ssl and dropping them wholesale into the bitcoind
ben_vulpes: i take that as a given
ben_vulpes: oh my network sucks
ben_vulpes: s/emacs/oss
ben_vulpes: decimation: i did at one point.
ben_vulpes: mk well nm then.
ben_vulpes: maybe i should run an x server on the remote host as well!
ben_vulpes: decimation: i don't know that this was a good decision.
ben_vulpes: but then i got all grumpy about having to maintain multiple sets of finger macros for the emacs-in-terminal vs the emacs-in-xserver
ben_vulpes: i was very happy when i was running an emacs irc client on a remote host over mosh.
ben_vulpes: znc is a laggy buggy piece of shit
ben_vulpes: i'm currently using znc and i hate hate HATE it.
ben_vulpes: what bouncers does everyone use?
ben_vulpes: <mike_c> [] https://s3.amazonaws.com/btcalpha/static/foobar.svg << neat
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> It would be amazing if mod6 and ben_vulpes could rip it out of the code completely << i like how you're implying i know anything about cpp
ben_vulpes: but did you you know *make it* in the bucket list boat?
ben_vulpes: east side being mostly residential, mostly small streets.
ben_vulpes: for all that it's a communist paradise, portland does get this right. lots of super annoying stop lights on major thoroughfares throughout the east side.
ben_vulpes: see previous thread about "wake me when compute costs 1btc/hr".
ben_vulpes: and yes, the "computer" as a modern invention (from the c machine on forwards to the consumer laptop) is an entirely awful fork in the technological roadmap.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: well i exaggerate for btclulz. clearly *you* are deserving of your mercs and what have you, but the state of every pleb in their own plastic wheelbox has got to go.
ben_vulpes: roads themselves aren't expensive, nor the maintenance thereof but rather the wear and tear from 2-ton tardboxes
ben_vulpes: they're brutal on the roads.
ben_vulpes: especially in the mass production everyone having one.
ben_vulpes: horrid invention.
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i'm all for banning cars.
ben_vulpes: and now thestringpuller's flapping...
ben_vulpes: dunno but i'm off for the night
ben_vulpes: https://bitbet.us/browse/ << skinnkavaj i'd start there
ben_vulpes: hey hey the gangs all here
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
ben_vulpes: thought you were flappin.
ben_vulpes: !up skinnkavaj
ben_vulpes: and now skinnkavaj, eh?
ben_vulpes: he or she knows.
ben_vulpes: !s mandarin
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> [] asciilifeform: but for remoras - the swiftest possible discipline. << eh, it's best to fix problems well after rather than well before they're problems. << it's a problem now.
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mandarin quit fucking joining and parting
ben_vulpes: mandarin: quit fucking joining and parting
ben_vulpes: i love it when that happens
ben_vulpes: reasonable client is reasonable
ben_vulpes: oh man
ben_vulpes: i went to sleep mourning the computers my children seem doomed to use.
ben_vulpes: what would it take to make a computer of the complexity of an amiga today?
ben_vulpes: <thestringpuller> [] That was in october! My long term memory can't be 100% #b-a logs. << pothead :P
ben_vulpes: the world wherein mircea_popescu's arranged for not only the rewrite of "gpg" but also "mavlink"
ben_vulpes: i speak of the post-bezzle world.
ben_vulpes: yup i'm right there with you
ben_vulpes: be it 5, 10, 20, i don't really care.
ben_vulpes: the point is an integer multiple of current costs.
ben_vulpes: yeah sure, bump the number up
ben_vulpes: and deplete their wallets.
ben_vulpes: more importantly long life prosperity and lulz to those who stick spokes in mine enemies wheels.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015089 << this. death to magic numbers.
ben_vulpes: the newest macbook air to hit the shop actually arrived with a slower (!) CPU than its predecessor.
ben_vulpes: 1.5k bezzlebucks...just doesn't cut it.
ben_vulpes: this is a good thing because there's room in that budget for build quality.
ben_vulpes: the upside to this is that eventually the laptop market as we know it is going to disappear, and people who actually *use* computers will have to pay 10k each.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015042 << neutered combudders and preprogrammed "apps" are devouring the "laptop" market Apple built itself upon.
ben_vulpes: he though does good works for ye olde welfare state in mass now
ben_vulpes: i played dnd with the other one in college
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1015000 << you're the second nerdiest black guy i know
ben_vulpes: from the hilariously wacky posters to the20year derping
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014942 << i found that whole saga endlessly amusing
ben_vulpes: i have no clue
ben_vulpes: has the thing been debunked?
ben_vulpes: anyways your wot your rules, i'm just ribbing you for apparent triviality.
ben_vulpes: since when did twitter matter, etc
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: just looks like a slapfight from over here is all i'm saying.
ben_vulpes: granted, they were supported by the dictator but hey - tango!
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014795 << and in the 40s whole orchestras practiced for 8 hours a day and gigged at the milongas later. tell me this world isn't poorer!
ben_vulpes: well that's something else entirely now innit?
ben_vulpes: i'm going to pretty quickly and steeply discount your rating inputs
ben_vulpes: you say "nah he blocked me on twitter"
ben_vulpes: i mean i go to you later and say "hey whaddaya know about justusranvier, did he run with some coins or something?"
ben_vulpes: Naphex: uncloaked!
ben_vulpes: your wot, your rules.
ben_vulpes: not in my book, no.
ben_vulpes: RATINGS DRAMA WAR
ben_vulpes: Starsoccer: you're joining and cloaking in the wrong order.
ben_vulpes: the right people.
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: not "enough" people.
ben_vulpes: in practice, however.
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: the last time gavin tried to change bitcoin in one of these "fundamental" ways, he burned a lot of capital fixing all of the idiots bitcoinds who went with him.
ben_vulpes: don't fuck with it.
ben_vulpes: it ain't broke
ben_vulpes: what could be more awesome than the knowledge that the system will have 21M coins...FOREVER?
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: what, is an uninterdictable store of value not enough for you?!
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: more like "collected works of mark twain"
ben_vulpes: reddit, in this case, counts as a forum.
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: one can either read the forums, or the log. not both.
ben_vulpes: such unexamined assumptions.
ben_vulpes: "should not scale" << heh.
ben_vulpes: are you amazed?
ben_vulpes: these are "NPR" reporters - they've no idea that MPEx even exists.
ben_vulpes: "cleanest shirt in the room" is the phrase i hear our financial "pundits" bandy about.
ben_vulpes: is it a straight up purchase of dud assets?
ben_vulpes: how do these "chinese liquidity injections" actually work?
ben_vulpes: http://blogs.barrons.com/techtraderdaily/2015/02/09/apple-has-93-of-mobile-profits-650m-users-by-2018-says-canaccord/ << hard not to read this as "apple mobile users dumbest in the room"
ben_vulpes: "questionable"
ben_vulpes: Guest85903: you may want a better handle than bitcoinquestions
ben_vulpes: Guest85903: you gotta auth within ~30secs
ben_vulpes: mas?
ben_vulpes: !up bitcoinquestions
ben_vulpes: from which spamzor?
ben_vulpes: at least robert viragh and the_minor_pestilence had the good sense to not leave a crumbtrail
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: well now you've incremented his linkweight. good job.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform might find some interesting strange in those depths.
ben_vulpes: for the historians.
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-05-2013#16817 << decent entrypoint
ben_vulpes: sadly, got banned. even mircea_popescu couldn't out-chat him.
ben_vulpes: roll you in on point a, before you know it you're knees deep in c d e and q
ben_vulpes: irc judo, more like it
ben_vulpes: tib was never much for changing opinions
ben_vulpes: he was top notch.
ben_vulpes: <decimation> heh it would be amusing to get 'premium content' trolls here << didja ever meet tiberius?
ben_vulpes: focus is expensive.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i do recall this
ben_vulpes: o wait you're doing orwell.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: are you chewing through "the complete works"?
ben_vulpes: ah come on the bibliographical stuff was great
ben_vulpes: i toy with my prey, but that's not the same thing.
ben_vulpes: what, you're the most easily suckered into epic privlogs
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo:**
ben_vulpes: BigBitz: xah lee
ben_vulpes: yours'
ben_vulpes: granted my neural filter kicked in pretty quickly, so my integral probably didn't wind up like yours.
ben_vulpes: looked pretty fast from over here.
ben_vulpes: by the way, isn't it amusing how the_scourge got instanuked, but the outright derps keep getting upped?
ben_vulpes: goodness.
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> also, the paywall on trilema is a) older than bitcoin and b) older than the new york time's. << how did you take payment before btc?
ben_vulpes: y'all heard of kennas new scam?
ben_vulpes: dunno that i've ever been shy
ben_vulpes: blast from the past!
ben_vulpes: asshat talmud when
ben_vulpes: right up there with the sovereignty of sovereigns.
ben_vulpes: it is all a bit silly.
ben_vulpes: i too boggle somewhat
ben_vulpes: big blocks are wrong and won't.
ben_vulpes: "whatever is is right" has yet to fall
ben_vulpes: big blocks aren't a reality yet.
ben_vulpes: ascii_modem: are you talking about the minor pestilence?
ben_vulpes: sink rate being a thing; angle of attack being a thing...
ben_vulpes: in some places, very close. those places also look very steep.
ben_vulpes: it's not really clear to me how close they actually are to terra.
ben_vulpes: (again, i am not an expert in this area)
ben_vulpes: GE entails actually riding on a compressed cushion between the foil and the ground, not the lift off the foil alone.
ben_vulpes: that's not ground effect if i understand the mechanism in question correctly.
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5N9t5qOSzCU << this sort of thing
ben_vulpes: there's also the squirrelsuit insanity
ben_vulpes: i saw a gents quadrotor get sucked into its own downdraft near a wall one time, and slam itself repeatedly into said wall while its pilot tried to rescue it
ben_vulpes: decimation: aeronautics is full of exciting! new! innovative! ways to die.
ben_vulpes: !up bitcoinquestions
ben_vulpes: got some lulz for me today?
ben_vulpes: !up bitcoinquestions
ben_vulpes: just...limited subset of the control space.
ben_vulpes: don't get me wrong, they're fly as hell.
ben_vulpes: sorta like the "chair with prop hanging from parasail" design.
ben_vulpes: hang glider stability dynamics are interesting, but kinda neutered.
ben_vulpes: i like things without much by way of engine.
ben_vulpes: oh yeah gliders are also awesome
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> so take up bobsleigh. better for your health. << or bicycles, more actual physical connection of your meat with the dynamic systems in question. airplanes and helicopters worth looking into as well
benjamindees: asciilifeform, my surplus junk lives outside /shrug
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do you use radiant or forced air?
benjamindees: yeah, you can find a large military surplus generator for cheap, but 3MW is pretty large