BingoBoingo: "FATMOUSE IS A SELF-SUSTAINING INDUSTRY. FATMOUSE NEEDS A SUPERCOMPUTER TO COUNT ALL THE CALORIES HE MUST CONSUME. STOCK IN FATMOUSE ALWAYS GOES UP. YOU SHOULD BUY STOCK IN FATMOUSE. FATMOUSE EATS YOUR STOCK. YOU ARE AN INITIAL PUBLIC OFFERING TO FATMOUSE."
whaack: mircea_popescu: A cloak is a VPN no? I have one now
BingoBoingo: whaack: Nah a cloak is freenode masking your VPN
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship
assbot: An Exceedingly Polite Beginner's Guide To Anal Sex
BingoBoingo: Did this start as a submission to Ask A Clean Person?
BingoBoingo: In a sort of roundabout way it did. Kind of a combination of a horror story that was deemed too gross to run in AaCP's former home and some recent questions left in the comments of the bedwetting post.
BingoBoingo: !up Sorry, was playing with Emacs as a manager for my pasta buffers. In over my head.
mircea_popescu: that thing when you notice an event that's been announced weeks ago that nobody is going to go to, declare you're going and within six hours everyone's going and teh oirganizer emailed to thank you. twice.
whaack: What's the best way to break through the I-have-no-trust catch 22
BingoBoingo: e9e17fb4b3d7f044c329464497b47f3d9ee0facf9b699d05d54f18fdd46f3b0b
mircea_popescu: whaack not being stupid usually yields some mercy 1's. also doing something useful.
whaack: financial capital of the world!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Preet seems to whack himself pretty well
whaack: mircea_popescu: was the pun on my name intentional?
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Vexual: Whilst strolling thru some summer city
Vexual: Met a girl very wall-eyed and pretty
whaack: alrightie well I'm out thanks for the help with setting up the WoT shit
Vexual: So I slammed the thing hard
Vexual: Now her eyes are aligned mores the pity
Vexual: Anyone got a selenim guy? I wanna get loaded
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Vexual: Err whats that load testing suite of trickiness?
Vexual: More a motel room I guess
mod6: selenium doesn't really do perf testing if that's what you're looking for. it mainly can just drive through html like a browser.
mod6: there's jmeter for load testing, but it bites, mainly. and it's scripting sucks even more.
assbot: Spider-Man is now a part of Marvel's Cinematic Universe | The Verge
mod6: it's a free tool. other perf testers can get expensive. *shrug*
Vexual: Whats selenium for then? A cheaper version of 10k iphones?
mod6: selenium lets you automate fuctional testing of a http framework -- you can use it to drive through a website, click on stuff, fill out forms, etc.
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Vexual: Bb I saw some mall managers measuring shopfronts for glossiness ignoring the knock off asian disney shit in the centre of their center
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cazalla: BingoBoingo, beat ya to it
cazalla: well, landed on the wikipedia page first
assbot: Anybody know how I can stop systemd /var/log/journal from filling ever partition it's in?
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Vexual: Or send it somewhere unique
Vexual: Now I can use kakos bucket shop
mircea_popescu: i find it quite amusing how gavin's 5th column are trying to turn their laughable defeat around into a sort of victory along the lines of "well we can';t have what we want, and that's okay as long as you admit democratic process".
assbot: I checked with Carol at the mini-golf hut and no pants were found on the fence.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: They are 'Murican and can't distinguish consent and consensus
mircea_popescu: "Regardless of whether you waive the fine or not, and despite conditional terms added to reassert authority", that sort of stuff, "it doesn't matter which way it goes as long as you accept our framing of the issues"
mircea_popescu: sort of bullshit. whenever you run into it you can be pretty sure you've run into an usg nest, it's like the fox scent and the fox.
mircea_popescu: at any rate : they can't have that much. bitcoin is NOT a democracy. votes DO NOT count. in fact, votes are squarely irrelevant in this matter.
Vexual: Whats happening in Ukraine? I've limited bandwidth
Vexual: Qntra got a world affairs tab yet?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo aww, and all this time spend claiming it was teh russians!
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punkman: or DIY with thick foil/sheet metal
punkman: "a pilgrimage through 1990
punkman: 1990's Europe, in a low-poly Trabant
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BigBitz: ben_vulpes: Not sure what you mean?
assbot: BYXPRESS Presentation - YouTube
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mircea_popescu: Naphex: lmao. that ByExpress scam is insanely funny and totally retarded << teh accent lol. &teh mouthbreather speech speed...
Naphex: mircea_popescu: apparently they are official google partners as well :O
Naphex: i'm just amazed. that people will "invest" that high amount and do zero dilligence
Naphex: thing is this guys seem to be starting from local, so basicly ruining any market
Naphex: is this the early stages, or just selectively picking idiots?
Naphex: do they get busted? they use real names I assume
Naphex: and essentialy just defraud their aquantances when it busts?
punkman: acquaintances, family, whoever
mircea_popescu: Naphex yes, it's what one of these things is, "con your family and friends".
mircea_popescu: "they won't give you money directly ? that's fine, trick them into giving it to us! "
Naphex: yeah but they just send it upwards
Naphex: which is even more retard it
mircea_popescu: as average iq keeps dropping and average intelligence drops with the square of the iq, and as complexity increases like a fucking cube of time or something, there's bound to be more and more of these.
mircea_popescu: when i was 18, the average 18 yo could support himself.
mircea_popescu: now im 35 and the average 35 yo CAN NOT support himself.
mircea_popescu: kinda why defranchising of most of the population / having money and resources controlled by a tiny minority / having most people live in ever larger harems, as ever more abject slaves of whoever's brain still works is unavoiable.
mircea_popescu: this is the case for it : people of average intelligence are not actually smart enough to survive.
mircea_popescu: and you can't you know, "make everything illegal so idiots have a chance". it will be tried, obviously, but with no expectation of working to any degree.
chetty: Have people actually gotten dumber or has the world just gotten more complex?
mircea_popescu: people have factually gotten dumber. AND the world has got more complex.
mircea_popescu: something like smart = Cx / t^2 while complexity = Cy + a t ^ 3
mircea_popescu: (the reason one can be ^ -2 while the other is at ^ 3 is the hugeness of population : you only need one guy to push complexity up. so in this sense, lower population is in fact insurance against decreasing average life quality)
chetty: well the time between your 18 and 35 is not enough for actual species change, so its environmental ?
mircea_popescu: but megatrends may well be observable in a short interval even if they are not in fact contained in that interval.
punkman: re: 10m people, what kind of world can you run on that considering current complexity?
mircea_popescu: if some drunk driver loses control over vehicle at t=0, goes over embankment at t = 1.8s and explodes at t = 3.5s,
mircea_popescu: it will be BECAUSE he lost control, but the losing of control would have happened long before
mircea_popescu: punkman depends how you select them. if well selected, something pretty cool i imagine. like, a world in which nobody is going to spam.
mircea_popescu: imagine a web without all the idiotic "web start-ups".
chetty: may not be that far off, if us declares it public utility
mircea_popescu: no further need for makework jobs, no more government crapolade, etc.
mircea_popescu: the need for police, for instance, is a strict function of population density. places with < 1 person / sqkm do not need any police.
mircea_popescu: punkman "''a giant theft machine,'' moving billions illegally around the world, engaged in financing the heroin trade, tax fraud and wound up bilking innocent investors of at least $50 million." << the substance of unsubstantiated journalism.
mircea_popescu: "he was a drug lord and thief, moving many thousands of dollars and running an unpaid bill of at least 50 bux"
punkman: mircea_popescu: downsizing would of course remove large swaths of complexity/scarcity, but I was thinking if "global village", how many people do we need so I can have computer and underwater fiber network, 10m doesn't sound like enough
mircea_popescu: you don't seriously imagine that "people" out and about are in fact efficient ?
punkman: doesn't take much to feed them
mircea_popescu: currently you have machinery that can cut up, melt and re-set the asphalt. much like a sort of "3d printer for roads", really.
mircea_popescu: the only reason it's not automated ? roads aren't straight. and that is because ?
mircea_popescu: take out 99.85% of the population, suddenly roads can be straight np.
chetty: no more cities ... everyone lives in the country on their own estates?
CoraCrisT: and this is how you become the favorite architect of every dictator in the world
punkman: friend wanted to buy one of those, but local council wasn't gonna fire 12 man-crew
mircea_popescu: i seriouslydon't see why anyone would be laying optic fibre by hand.
mircea_popescu: and we actually have the technoogy to make the robots work together and automatically
CoraCrisT: becouse as a cable company, we pledge to offer jobs ;))
mircea_popescu: much like that vacuum cleanner manages to keep the house clean
punkman: hard to replace human repairman with robot currently
mircea_popescu: once space no longer such a constraint, very easy to do.
CoraCrisT: robots are pretty capable of diagnosis and automated repairs
punkman: because human can do things robot can't, even if it has a brain to remote-control it
mircea_popescu: there's no doubt in my mind that the "every fuckhead's sacred, god needs every one" current mantra is headed the same way monty python saw catholicism go.
CoraCrisT: also robots can do things humans can`t
CoraCrisT: imagine a waste disposal team made of robots , in chemical situations, etc :)
mircea_popescu: this is like saying "artisan can do things cnc mill can not"
mircea_popescu: very true. however, you don't HAVE to fight a war to suit the artisan.
chetty: actually no need to straighten the roads, just do away with them
mircea_popescu: chetty they won't be roads i imagine, more like hovercraft pads.
mircea_popescu: <punkman> doesn't take much to feed them << this is true. cigarettes also don't take much to buy.
mircea_popescu: dealing with the after effects of having bought them, however, different story.
mircea_popescu: it is incontrovertible fact that most people alive today will have cost more than they were worth by the time they die, and this by orders of magnitude.
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mircea_popescu: unrelated : Teacher explains superlatives, then has children give examples. Little Johhny : Big, bigger, biggest. Little Sammy : Hard, harder, hardest.
mircea_popescu: they're down to food bloggers now ? no further bankers left ?
punkman: lolwut "The reason for my death is simple. I have concluded that in the realm of dating and relationships the primary characteristics required for men are as follows."
mircea_popescu: "Mircea Popescu February 10, 2015 at 14:01 Reply Your comment is awaiting moderation.
mircea_popescu: Congrats for figuring it out, and doing the right thing.
mircea_popescu: If only more people in your unfortunate situation had the intellectual honesty to look their failure in the eye and take the jump, the world would be a much better place.
mircea_popescu: Even among losers, theres hierarchy : the better ones leave, the scum of the scum sticks around."
mircea_popescu: "I originally performed this test 5 times and found approximately a 95% skew" << :D
mircea_popescu: "I was told that this sample set was too small so I performed the same test over four to five years until I reached the sample size of 10,000 in total split into tranches of 100. Every time the answer effectively remained the same. All the samples lie between a 94% bias and a 100% bias."
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assbot: Apple Has 93% of Mobile Profits; 650M Users by 2018, Says Canaccord - Tech Trader Daily - Barrons.com ... (
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thestringpuller: "Yes, and it reaches this point over 100 years from now." << i don't like to think of the future cause i'll be dead, let my children deal with the problem.
thestringpuller: love these pseudo arguments. better entertainment than television
nubbins`: 100 years? that's like forever
nubbins`: so what if the garbage will catch fire after i throw a lit cigarette in? i'm already on my way out of the building.
nubbins`: Parking brake? But I'm not in the car anymore!
jurov: thestringpuller what do you quote?
gribble: Current Blocks: 342880 | Current Difficulty: 4.44554159623438E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 344735 | Next Difficulty In: 1855 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 14 hours, 15 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 49234655973.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 10.75064
nubbins`: i can't imagine anywhere in the world having the capacity or desire to replicate 4k floppies at a time
jurov: it comes with robot to manipulate these floppies
PeterL: ;; later tell mircea_popescu is there no report for F.DERP for january?
nubbins`: jurov oh! like those cd replicators
nubbins`: are you talking about the .foundation now? XD
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nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road
nubbins`: maybe a better use of funds than sending hand-printed posters to slum tenants in middle america
nubbins`: .foundation torrent might work, but it'd be janky
nubbins`: throw a fresh torrent up weekly
nubbins`: leave the stale one around for a week to let existing peers finish
nubbins`: not really smooth sailing for any definition thereof, but it's a start
nubbins`: download your Genuine .Foundation Blockchain today
nubbins`: imaigne manually patching .5.3 for two days, then downloading the blockchain off a random torrent
nubbins`: i guess my pogoplug will arrive this week?
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nubbins`: this orlov guy is fun to read, but JESUS does it ever send me on tangents
nubbins`: 5 tabs of info about tunneling diodes... "oh, wait, i was reading an article"
jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it
jurov: but the bootstrap file itself is pretty harmless. just blocks, nothing else
jurov: and when the torent is updated, it is only appended to
davout: thestringpuller: the idea of timestamping stuff in the blockchain is as old as bitcoin
davout: oh, a romanian camel dude
thestringpuller: davout: i kno. i'm just being a h8er. Can't I just hate on people.
mircea_popescu: so im having the 2nd breakfast of the day. like the previous one, this one also consists of milk and apple pie.
nubbins`: i had coffee and two homemade cookies
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mircea_popescu: in any case, i guess they don't manage in however many posts to get to addressing the key point of "who pays davis' salary these days".
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nubbins`: (incidentally, the volca sample receives OS updates as modulated audio via a 3.5mm stereo jack)
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: nubbins`: incentive program << this is what makes zero sense. the buggers have infinite fiat budget, and to their soldiers, they offer... pocket change << you have to understand the extrmely problematic nature of infinite budget. suppose you were trying to fly an aeroplane that had infinite thrust.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: let's put a pin in this for down the road << you're keeping screenshots aren't you.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu who needs it? !s pin from:nubbins`
mircea_popescu: jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << are we desperate for old style blockchains ?
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jurov: mircea_popescu: read on, it is NOT blockchain
jurov: it's just a bag of blocks
nubbins`: dat single backspace to erase two-char number ;/
thestringpuller: How is Apple making so much money? Does everyone use macs these days?
thestringpuller: Really needs to be a drinking game for these things where you take a shot everytime someone uses a buzz word.
thestringpuller: so is the bitcoin incentive program going to scale into "If you upgrade to hard fork, we'll incentivize you *wink wink* ?!?"
thestringpuller: "Bitnodes uses Bitcoin protocol version 70001 (i.e. >= /Satoshi:0.8.x/), so nodes running an older protocol version will be skipped."
nubbins`: there are plenty of people who would do this for like 5 bucks a month
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mircea_popescu: this stench of desperation is like overpowering by now.
nubbins`: there are people who would do this for a buck a month
mircea_popescu: there are people who would take a fucking picture of a fucking poster for fifty bucks
ben_vulpes: how do these "chinese liquidity injections" actually work?
ben_vulpes: is it a straight up purchase of dud assets?
mircea_popescu: except china has more and much dudlier assets than you could ever imagine.
ben_vulpes: "cleanest shirt in the room" is the phrase i hear our financial "pundits" bandy about.
mircea_popescu: "cleanest shirts of the shirts we're willing to see" doesn't have quite the same... flavour
ben_vulpes: these are "NPR" reporters - they've no idea that MPEx even exists.
mircea_popescu: anyway, it doesn't matter that the us is the cleanest shirt in the room. that's not really the criteria.
mircea_popescu: in the woods cabin that is this world, the us shirt sits on the chest of a 16 yo, and his brother the 15yo yurp wears a dirtier one. Nevertheless, the absolute dirtiest one is worn by the 32 yo chinese man, whose shirt is dirty because he's the ony one who gets to fuck the only local woman
mircea_popescu: it's true that an online blog the boys read said clean shirt wins.
mircea_popescu: for that matter... russia has been "under sanctions" for half a year.
mircea_popescu: i am terribly curious how the us would look should the eu decide to sanction IT for half a year.
mircea_popescu: not that much to the clean shirt theory if one looks closely at the seams.
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mircea_popescu: "Skipping a bunch of details, they left something in her and it was the cause of last week's night in the ER. The working theory is it is a part from the surgical robot that got dislodged or broken off as all their sponge, suture, and staple counts were on. Regardless, it wasn't there before and it is now and I have no idea what the fuck is going to happen next. According to my wife, the surgeon is of the opinion that
mircea_popescu: we should wait and see if it causes any more pain or if it will 'settle in'."
mircea_popescu: "we fixed your car and your wife, overal the parts count has conserved"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform dude, reacting to idiots is an inept policy. you will end up with egg on your face.
mircea_popescu: the correct thing to do is to ignore stupid not to code up to stupid.
mircea_popescu: the latter always leaves YOU with stupid in your code.
mircea_popescu: but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file
mircea_popescu: or i guess i'll ask danielpbarron to include instructions on how to arbitrarily set it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the reason is that the nude woman is perfectly safe in the manly company of the impotent.
mircea_popescu: oh lulzy, so they're going to skip safe nodes from whatever harebrained changetip scheme they came up with next ?
mircea_popescu: notice who is driving this boat : i want to improve incentive structure for nodes ? they execute.
mircea_popescu: why exactly is this bad and why exactly should this be fixed ?
mircea_popescu: let idiots FINALLY pay nodes to node, after five years wasted power rangering, because mp said so. win-win.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't the entire discussion about how someone (who ?) is going to (citation needed) pay some loose change to everyone that runs a node ?
mircea_popescu: so let them do something useful for once in their lifetime, it's not a bad thing.
mircea_popescu: yaya, fake foudation doesn't actually have what to pay gavin with for the rest of this year. had they stayed in the us they'd have been open to some pretty lulzy litigation.
mircea_popescu: and as far as i hear you can't really sell A series as a non profit.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's exactly my point. let them spend their resources paying nodes to node, it's useful. they are incentivized to maximize numbers, which means they will be paying nodes that are conformant to us.
nubbins`: seems easy enough to write a patch that changes version string
mircea_popescu: becayuse while someone may take 1 buck a day to noide, as nubbins` says, they won't fuck up a node for chump change.
nubbins`: would be pretty lelly to publicly fire up a few k's of .foundation nodes on EC2 and start claiming dat money
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i already bought a bunch of the pogo guys
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's a stupid idea anyway, how do you verify nodeness ?
mircea_popescu: if it could be done it'd have been in the fucking protocol.
mircea_popescu: if they manage to do it well, all the better, goes into actual fork.
nubbins`: web dev equivalent: "don't target the browser, target the features"
nubbins`: make a >1MB block and pay nodes that relay it
nubbins`: if they're shelling out cash, they're not doing it for a user-settable agent string
mircea_popescu: yeah, because gavin really has a coupla k bitcoins laying around to "repay" the miners that bit a steel girder by trusting him.
nubbins`: they're doing it to push the first block of a fork
mircea_popescu: this is so totally happening, everyone has reddit's memory.
mircea_popescu: which fails to explain how come some people own millions worth of gear and reddit can barely afford a webcam, but hey.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i hope they do this as you describe it, easily maximal lulz.
mircea_popescu: "this is the right thing and in your best interest, and we're so certain of this we'll pay you to do it."
nubbins`: "Bottled Queef Gas may be worth 755%"
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Naphex: so much fiteing on reddit nowadays
mircea_popescu: Naphex someone remind strateman that a) he is a fucking felon fraudster, whose name is forever besmirched by one of bitcoin's most idiotic heists (bitcoinica)
mircea_popescu: and that he is also one of the MOST inept "coders" involved in the early stages.
mircea_popescu: ie, back when all the idiots thought they're bitcoin coders.
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mircea_popescu: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:b4adb22156bc3560f7f16c899dd2896a9af5c26d90b4c8cf345a6562
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate phantomcircuit -10 Aka Patrick Strateman. That he has the unmitigated audacity to pretend he is a Bitcoin dev is unsurprising for the history of this felon. His name is permanently besmirched by one of the most inept frauds in the history of Bitcoin (Bitcoinica). He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted.
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mircea_popescu: "oh, let's lay low for a coupla years everything will be fine".
Naphex: >>> He is also famous for sending the entire userbase the email address of the entire userbase. This is the sort of moron early Bitcoin attracted. | lmao!
BingoBoingo: jurov: well, there is a torrent published for bootstrap.dat. atm only > 0.9 supports it << I thought 0.7.2 and later all support it, 0.7.2 being the only version to unpack it as BDB blockchain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i strictly meant the point discussed above, "bootstrap"
mircea_popescu: funny how botomless the capacity of these people to generate conflicting names.
nubbins`: set max number of connections, threshold for abandoning slow peers
nubbins`: as a percentage of average download speed, i guess
mircea_popescu: nubbins` slow peers nbot even it. out of order block peers much worse.
beetcoin: I'm curious about the general sentiment around here that says bitcoin should not scale. That it is not for "the common man".
beetcoin: not that I necessarily disagree,
nubbins`: beetcoin, you'll remain curious for a while
beetcoin: maybe those aren't the best words
beetcoin: I have read some of the logs, but it is rather a lot to read
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem is that if you penalize nodes for misbehaving thus, you'll just in practice randomly cut them off. as thery all do.
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: one can either read the forums, or the log. not both.
ben_vulpes: reddit, in this case, counts as a forum.
mircea_popescu: now... if OUR node was better, to privilege it would make sense. and itd; be worth WAY more than the five bux or w/e on tap.
nubbins`: ben_vulpes that's like saying one can either read a brief history of time or their cereal box
danielpbarron: ben_vulpes, heh yeah at least log.b-a is finite; can't that /that/ long to read
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: more like "collected works of mark twain"
mircea_popescu: one million lines is it ? should be about a year, for someone that is professionally qualified to read.
nubbins`: man's still gotta eat brekkies 8)
danielpbarron: whereas reddit et al. is a bottomless pit of idiocy
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron nobody ever read all of reddit. so it's okay : failure by design.
beetcoin: what role should bitcoin play then?
beetcoin: well, i realize bitcoin is not a sentient 'actor'
beetcoin: but humans can't really change gravity
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: what, is an uninterdictable store of value not enough for you?!
ben_vulpes: what could be more awesome than the knowledge that the system will have 21M coins...FOREVER?
mircea_popescu: <beetcoin> but humans can't really change gravity << or bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: that's the principal point here. it's not a "technology". it's not an invention. bitcoin is a discovery.
beetcoin: bitcoin has changed somewhat since its invention though
mircea_popescu: it was always there, and it'll hit you over the head until you die if you cross it.
beetcoin: okay, so it has changed since its discovery
beetcoin: but a number of forks have occurred
mircea_popescu: if you mean the unintentional power ranger fuckup of 2013, that fork was killed.
danielpbarron: one could make the argument that bitcoin wasn't really discovered until you could use it on MPEx, and since then it hasn't changed
mircea_popescu: we are still on the OLD chain, we didn't move to the new one that emerged then.
ben_vulpes: beetcoin: the last time gavin tried to change bitcoin in one of these "fundamental" ways, he burned a lot of capital fixing all of the idiots bitcoinds who went with him.
assbot: "Custom crypto-cracking hardware is pricey & rare, but your local tool store has cheap human-cracking hardware." /hashtag/tsmastery?src=hash
beetcoin: a fork is not impossible in principle
mircea_popescu: one year you throw away k's of btc, the next year you need foundation salary for 10s of btc ?
beetcoin: if enough people wanted to, it could happen
mircea_popescu: what "enough people" want and five dollars in cointips buys them a cup of coffee.
beetcoin: bitcoin is not a democracy? what is it then? an oligarchy?
beetcoin: it just does what it wants then
danielpbarron: man the redditards have amnesia i guess; they used to use the honeybadger example of "bitcoin don't give a bit!"
ben_vulpes: Starsoccer: you're joining and cloaking in the wrong order.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron this was back when reddit mostly consisted of people who had bitcoins.
mircea_popescu: they either gotr scammed and sold out as the price went up, because they couldn't justifyably keep those hjoldings
mircea_popescu: now it's mostly people who don't have bitcoin, and desperately wish to be told "that's okay".
mircea_popescu: only if we can make our nodes give out blocks in order.
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $450 before 31st Mar"
http://bitbet.us/bet/1113/ Odds: 12(Y):88(N) by coin, 13(Y):87(N) by weight. Total bet: 6.8963 BTC. Current weight: 75,226.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 48540 @ 0.00041332 = 20.0626 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28500 @ 0.00041267 = 11.7611 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i know people who have tried and gave up.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Most NetBSD instructions do. Most platforms they support can get some sort of bootable kernel but not much in the way of a useful userland... The Japanese love it because they can say their toilets "run" unix...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78019 @ 0.00041104 = 32.0689 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77781 @ 0.00040995 = 31.8863 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: If only you had a Sharp Zaurus to do a native compile
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66500 @ 0.00041525 = 27.6141 BTC [+] {3}
mod6: asciilifeform: MAKEDEV doesn't work?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo this is pretty huge. if you feel like spinning it together with the discussion re symbols a few weeks ago makes a pretty great qntra article. informative and in depth of what matters.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform esr is posting from an universe where apple has ambitions.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've waken today to a rather full plate, maybe someone else wants.
mircea_popescu: it can't actually do THAT, but some other things it can buy
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Best I can tell as always ESR simply thinks he can avoid starvation
mod6: not sure if that helps at all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ?
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform "compiler technology has advanced significantly in ways that GCC is not well positioned to exploit. " any clue what this specifically means ? << Probably FreeBSD 10 generally slower than 9 because clang/LLVM
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 475 @ 0.00505845 = 2.4028 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 121600 @ 0.00041578 = 50.5588 BTC [+] {4}
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http://bitbet.us/bet/1104/ Odds: 15(Y):85(N) by coin, 15(Y):85(N) by weight. Total bet: 65.923 BTC. Current weight: 91,565.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think you;ll enjoy my write-up, if it gets picked up :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, exactly. the problem is that they (unknowingly) approximate the wot
mircea_popescu: "Licenses and "control" have absolutely nothing to do with it. Stefan" :D
mircea_popescu: oh, some holdouts still don't wish to trade power for the fetish of power ? pretend like power doesn't even exist anymore!
mircea_popescu: "As mentioned earlier, in any case I will happily accept and install LLDB support into gud.el. So as long as I'm Emacs maintainer, your opinion on whether this might ruin the FSF's goals are not relevant."
mircea_popescu: what shocks me is the extreme structural coherence of the red herrings deployed.
mircea_popescu: metzger could be that blind schmuck in systemd could be gavin etc.
hanbot: bingoboingo "pretty patters" > patterns
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Did you mean to say patterns or patters
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform management sez take a break you're chewing the scenery.
mircea_popescu: btw re ers : i'm not so sure about all that barnacle. isn't the guy a major libertarian ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ESR professes as to be such
danielpbarron: is there a way to modify the linux that comes with the pogo?
danielpbarron: so it's not just me; this stuff is just very frustrating
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> danielpbarron: in essence, like most supposedly 'gpl compliant' commercial products, the compliance is a total and unabashed crock of shit. <<< funny how much stock rms puts in the nude declaration, huh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 53450 @ 0.00041405 = 22.131 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: well i would still like to put gentoo on my pogo inplace of arch, even if it is not the final solution
mircea_popescu: one of the best parts of living in argentina ? you can have email exchanges with "don Pablo Picasso". literally.
cazalla: sounds reasonable eh "HSBC's economist Paul Bloxham reports average house prices are up 23 per cent in the last 2½ years and a whopping 33 per cent in Sydney, citing figures from RP Data CoreLogic."
cazalla: at this rate, housing might outpace gavin's blocksize roadmap
gribble: Pierre_Rochard was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 16 minutes, and 34 seconds ago: <Pierre_Rochard> ;;gettrust buttonwood_
thestringpuller: "It's 6 GB per block, meaning it would grow by 864 GB a day. In 2035, that might not be much." << LOL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10686 @ 0.00041405 = 4.4245 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14538 @ 0.00041405 = 6.0195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6462 @ 0.00041741 = 2.6973 BTC [+]
assbot: ZapChain Interview with Charlie Lee, Creator of Litecoin, and Engineering Manager at Coinbase - YouTube ... (
http://bit.ly/1AiTtUr )
decimation: "Walkley writes that his assessment of vendor data in smartphones suggests Apple, whose shares he rates a Buy, captured 93% of industry profits in Q4." << why are all of apple's competitors in the 'mobile market' simply trying to imitate apple?
decimation: obviously they suck at being apple, why not try something new?
decimation: asciilifeform: which robot vacuum doesn't work on the random walk?
cazalla: mircea_popescu, it's just coblee saying "a lot of the stuff we do at coinbase, we don't really think through"
decimation: because nobody got fired for being lame ? << yeah right up there with 'nobody got fired for buying ibm'
cazalla: pete_dushenski, you canadians are crazy, if it's not kidnappings, it's driving cars into court houses and now.. bomb threats for btc lol
pete_dus_: cazalla lol i missed the bomb threats!
pete_dus_: cazalla eh you guys have been busy today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00041405 = 8.1361 BTC [-]
pete_dus_: "mebbe if the price won't go to the moon, block size can!"
pete_dus_: "something needs to increase because we're poor!"
hanbot: BingoBoingo "security-anihilating bugs on a yearly basis" > how about annihilating, then?
decimation: apparently no soviet, japanese, or german aircraft though
TheNewDeal: Not any planned soviet,japanese, or luftwaffe that is
pete_dus_: ;;later tell mircea_popescu "the -EV human quicly collapse towards zero." << quickly
pete_dus_: i'll be big someday and then you'll be sorry!
thestringpuller: pete dushenski from this day forward you will also be known as:
thestringpuller: should get some wu tang name generator integration with da bots
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59200 @ 0.00041677 = 24.6728 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: so pete_dus_ I'm trying to find the Volvo version of Saddam to buy
pete_dus_: even though she looks to be a rare beast
thestringpuller: yea. just the process of finding the beat is hard despite rarity. car dealings are always sketchy it seems on surface level.
decimation: does the volvo 960 diesel have a diesel engine?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14350 @ 0.00041405 = 5.9416 BTC [-]
cazalla: thestringpuller, mine is Violent Professional.. i like it :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12397 @ 0.00041405 = 5.133 BTC [-]
TheNewDeal: Whats the gribble command which gives you the bid ask spread?
gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "all" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
gribble: Error: The "Market" plugin is loaded, but there is no command named "spread" in it. Try "list Market" to see the commands in the "Market" plugin.
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 222.66, vol: 8000.07229681 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 219.449, vol: 10904.32522 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 222.71, vol: 31443.94426496 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 222.579025, vol: 135412.11480000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 215.01, vol: 3.2855 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 225.324951989, vol: 102.10393921 | Volume-weighted last average: 222.422411331
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 222.74, Best ask: 223.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.26000, Last trade: 222.96, 24 hour volume: 8004.31430320, 24 hour low: 215.0, 24 hour high: 223.43, 24 hour vwap: 219.121262387
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 893.13569 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 195807.056847 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0122 seconds
gribble: Bitstamp | Total bids: 3848932 USD. Total asks: 10028 BTC. Ratio: 383.79991 USD/BTC. | Data vintage: 62.8659 seconds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00041405 = 6.6662 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AMHASH1] 4321 @ 0.00082988 = 3.5859 BTC [+] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9616 @ 0.00041742 = 4.0139 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: so there is a gavincoin twitter account and it's followed by a co-founder of activision
danielpbarron: !v assbot:danielpbarron.rate.justusranvier.-2:60908b3a5891c5ee52759dcff6a4e3fe099511f500c40082b9f5cef4e5dfa374
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for justusranvier from 1 to -2 with note: blocked me on twitter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10800 @ 0.00041648 = 4.498 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19241 @ 0.00041742 = 8.0316 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4807 @ 0.00041862 = 2.0123 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00041862 = 7.891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42250 @ 0.00041412 = 17.4966 BTC [-] {2}
danielpbarron: i found out i was blocked from reading that PeterTodd thread about the blocksize
ben_vulpes: i mean i go to you later and say "hey whaddaya know about justusranvier, did he run with some coins or something?"
ben_vulpes: you say "nah he blocked me on twitter"
ben_vulpes: i'm going to pretty quickly and steeply discount your rating inputs
ben_vulpes: well that's something else entirely now innit?
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 11:40:01; mircea_popescu: when i was 18, the average 18 yo could support himself.
ben_vulpes: granted, they were supported by the dictator but hey - tango!
ben_vulpes: danielpbarron: just looks like a slapfight from over here is all i'm saying.
ben_vulpes: anyways your wot your rules, i'm just ribbing you for apparent triviality.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 16:10:15; nubbins`: maybe a better use of funds than sending hand-printed posters to slum tenants in middle america
ben_vulpes: from the hilariously wacky posters to the20year derping
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 16:46:25; thestringpuller: ;;google 2nd breakfast tolkien
ben_vulpes: i played dnd with the other one in college
ben_vulpes: he though does good works for ye olde welfare state in mass now
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 17:51:37; thestringpuller: How is Apple making so much money? Does everyone use macs these days?
ben_vulpes: the upside to this is that eventually the laptop market as we know it is going to disappear, and people who actually *use* computers will have to pay 10k each.
ben_vulpes: this is a good thing because there's room in that budget for build quality.
ben_vulpes: 1.5k bezzlebucks...just doesn't cut it.
ben_vulpes: the newest macbook air to hit the shop actually arrived with a slower (!) CPU than its predecessor.
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 19:18:23; mircea_popescu: but if it's a serious point of concern, either move the version string in the config file