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(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c does your wot thinger spit out json anywhere?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you can do it!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tonight is whitespace night in the sweet republic of bitcoin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you're full of spunk tonight
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i suspect maintaining that java/c layer would be more expensive than just beating adequate performance out of sqlite was
(trilema) ben_vulpes: corvette is hiding from the rain, wife is back in the kitchen, and child is inflating at normal biological rates
(trilema) ben_vulpes: actually what's an embeddable-via-c relational db that does r-trees besides sqlite?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i know first hand the costs of making it do...stuff.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how the fuck on earth is one supposed to know if the original text had \n, \r, \r\n or whatever the original hodgepodge of linefeeds was to begin with?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: armor -- most poorly-named flag in the history of nix tools.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i must be the last person to have figured this out or something.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and both fucking verify
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'cause i'm looking at 2 text files with different shasum 256's and the precise same text except for linefeeds
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and whitespace on linefeeds in between blocks of text in signed files?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is it old news that gnupg dgaf about linefeed types?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: backups, backups, backups.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm not actually serious mod6
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eh, deedbot's an adequate pastebin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: didn't someone figure out which pasteshite didn't?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: every single time man
(trilema) ben_vulpes: remind me why sqlite wouldn't have worked here?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: death to all key-value stores
(trilema) ben_vulpes: interesting to note the various timelines for replication of trb work
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=21-12-2015#1349573 << i could crap out a limited subset of toolchain adequate to demonstrate workflow with/out emacs if you'd like
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in other news the incal's a not bad romp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i guess we don't need baby jebus to save the britneychain if the linux foundation's going to fork the phr33 w0rld off it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: highest but invalid pow chain?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: funny, it's like 90% of why i'm even here
(trilema) ben_vulpes afk, will follow along via ipnohe
(trilema) ben_vulpes looks forward to mp's contract for the death of modern web tech
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't see a macri coming by to devalue the webstack though. have been struggling to cook up the scenario wherein the world's managers declare technological bankruptcy and completely failing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the mess of complexity in development (not just 'web', chil'ren) is very very similar to the argentine problem of everyone believing their flats are worth all that us paper.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: legend has it that he reprogrammed hung satellites on the fly with forth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: god bless chuck
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah i didn't hear anything from asciilifeform to the contrary
(trilema) ben_vulpes will sign off on tarballs and v'd hashes thereof.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah we might get there and again stan might get hit by a bus tomorrow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and just the likelihood of that happening makes me want those under v.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's vastly more likely that someone's going to need to crap out a patch for eg openssl than replace it wholesale.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unless we want seperate v 'repos' for each dep for distributing patches to those libs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: we'll need to v everything
(trilema) ben_vulpes: implies deps on dns, net, a million failure points.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: our current vendoring goes and pulls that from thebitcoin.foundation, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's 2 that makes me want to vendor dependency sources.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how to bridge the gap between 'v means i read and agree' vs. 'we need the source for these deps in the v-tree'?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (shiva-verifiable, perhaps)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: none of those are really human-verifiable either.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dependencies to freeze: bdb, boost, openssl
(trilema) ben_vulpes: too much problem surface area!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (the kernel line was a joke, but whatever)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: so buildroot is out of scope then.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: only question in my mind is if we stick linus' kernel in there too.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one could stick source dependencies into some "lib" dir, wire that into the builder, update the scripts and then produce some new patches with the entire world, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: plus yeah, we have V, why not really tax it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: simply because every additional http call to get another bundle of source is another weak link, another hole for the night etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm leaning towards a 'monorepo'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well yes, source of all the deps right? are we biting off buildroot as well?
(trilema) ben_vulpes needs a refresher in elementary statistics apparently
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gold swans lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i guess i'm asking if there's a known closed-form solution to this question.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: please for to not be getting the pathological cases involved
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rubio, trump, etc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there are n candidates, each with individual odds of winning a competition. how do i derive odds on the whole field from those binary outcomes?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unless i'm even wronger than normal that's not a clean mapping
(trilema) ben_vulpes: take the odds on the republican election
(trilema) ben_vulpes: beyond that mircea_popescu and hanbot are probably the experts and asciilifeform might know the maths
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell mike_c ^^
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, how does one calculate the odds of mutually-exclusive outcomes from binary odds on each individual outcome?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: where's the "MPEx down for over a month in 2016" bet?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: TheNewDeal: mircea_popescu's boxes are getting stolen and you're complaining about a bad trip?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ^^ extraneous '/' in those urls, mthreat kakobrekla
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s muh boxen
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s my servers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whatever did happen to bitcointa.lk
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (and your other work)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how grows masamune?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: alive, in gear, and enjoyable thank you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: evening, gabriel_laddel
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes well, life in pursuit of 'kwalidee'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: recent bug: "colors are weird on 5s"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 6 american regular, 6 small, 5, 5s, the whole gamut.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes! it got worse!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it had yet to be shitted up by the rubros.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can always rip pod out temporarily, asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there is a big user-friendly button: "run this on my ipnohe or in the simulat0r"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there isn't much of a separation of concerns in the ios toolchain.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: include this 'pod' in your ios build, get HTTP calls on project compile.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: symbols which it CAN ONLY GET ON COMPILE apparently.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: yes you see it needs the debug symbols transmitted to some leprous SaaS thing for in-the-field device debugging
(trilema) ben_vulpes: remind me to tell y'all about the ios build toolchain plugin that makes curl calls ON COMPILE
(trilema) ben_vulpes: as if ctags were so hard to use.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: write moar l1nez!
(trilema) ben_vulpes does not even look at that bill any more, $ragetax simply not worthwhile
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for only ten dollars per user per month
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "show the non-technicals what the nerds are doing! with color!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "you want jumptodef? lolneckbeard"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because github is a thing sillyconvalley bizwrapper around a versoncontrolatroncumhoster for people who don't actually want to or know how to use computers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more software, more problems.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: how's your libressl node faring?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is a pile of work jurov, wd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've almost forgotten how painful it is. i can tell because i'm itching to muntz further.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've been there too, jurov
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well that's horrendous.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just to be sure i'm on the same page, this 'hang' eventually ends when the node completely processes the block?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh this is an explanation for said?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well i'm yes? ing about the black hole.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and critical_block and friends.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thanks, critical_section!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: other than listening for new blocks in steady state in my experience.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a trb node doing much of anything at all is pretty slow to respond to local api requests.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: victory of the rentiers.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what a sight
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol asciilifeform as pet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-12-2015#1344551 << first there is a faux test to set the bar low
(trilema) ben_vulpes: If the notion appeals, let me know that you're game. It would be fantastic to get the git exercise wrapped up by Jan 1, and yourself into the office as soon as you can make it after your return from Indiana.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well with the team, and (should we extend an offer to transition from contractor to employee) ascend our internal talent ladder.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Should you demonstrate speed of self-education, willingness to reach out for support if you need it, and the ability and willingness to cultivate your own beautiful little commit-trees, we'll offer you a contracting position paying $30/hr. This rate affords us the luxury of budgeting training and study time for you. Our hope is that as you build familiarity with the ecosystems and projects, that you'll demonstrate productivity, mesh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Please reach out to me with any technical questions you have, any questions about how Git works or how to use it, or to review your progress and provide feedback. We take pairing and education seriously here, and are very happy to extend this support to you during this exercise.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: We're looking for a really nice commit and merging history, so feel free to trash your working copies aggressively in pursuit of a nice finished product.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: A huge part of the work that we do while building software is cultivating beautiful little trees of commits with Git. To that end, we want to resolve a concern on our end about getting you up to speed on our favorite version-controlatron (Git), and so we cooked up two exercises for you to work through over the next few weeks (see attached).
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Thank you for stopping by and meeting the team—we had a blast and hope you did as well.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !up morenoh149
(trilema) ben_vulpes: buy a si fab in mod6's old age i imagine
(trilema) ben_vulpes still has no idea what people think we're going to do with it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that is some specific diddling.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's not an answer to the question
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and who are you morenoh149?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and not a single one of them have i ever heard of.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bob mcelrath contributed to numerous open source projects in the bitcoin space, including Bitcoin Core.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bryan reyhani has been in the space since 2013 having handled seminal legal work that garnered widespread media coverage.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ivan brightly, is a blockchain subject matter expert having been involved as a core member of the bitcoin/blockchain community since 2012
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dimitri nemirovsky, since 2013
(trilema) ben_vulpes: daniel h gallancy, i mean to say
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gallancy, since 2011
(trilema) ben_vulpes: looks like a website from here
(trilema) ben_vulpes: solidX being?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in nyc of all places?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you met people interested in finance, morenoh149?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol ##javascript
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lemme put it this way: it's hard to run a global short on the shartupconomy without finding takers on the long side.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you remember those tacks?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: first rule of ddos is dont talk about its impact on trilemma
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;8ball should i fry an egg for this hamncheese?
(trilema) ben_vulpes off to duct tape more open sores together
(trilema) ben_vulpes has fond memories of los cubanos en la grande manzana
(trilema) ben_vulpes: uno minimo respeto por la serenissima
(trilema) ben_vulpes would still attend, miserable multiday train rides notwithstanding
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what, we're doing novelty slums nao?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: grand shame considering the wine and steak cost/quality curve in bsas
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-12-2015#1343159 << very much so, thread was on moving to cn, you expressed incredulity, no party this year
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell bingoboingo many congratulations
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whoa, no bingoboingo?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: still, steady state behavior deserves at least a little look.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes yes ascii_field
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the question i bounced into #b-a is when it's acceptable for another node to relay a bastard block
(trilema) ben_vulpes: okay so a lighter gas would be more likely to float up and mix with ambient o2 and ignite?
(trilema) ben_vulpes labors under an american ME education - "just enough to be useful"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: more carbons and hydrogens in the propane, ergo more flammable right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is ethylene that much more flammable than, say, propane or 'natural' gas?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: much lulz in that c++fqa
(trilema) ben_vulpes: y'all need better rad suits
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: you gotta see the swole life in action
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also what happened to your second b?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm scared of qntra y2 too now
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aye Bingoboingo i'll not shit on the coffee at bill's house
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'clever' fucking developers and their miserable abstraction naming schemes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: class Base < Metal
(trilema) ben_vulpes: laird pete_dushenski chased him off with the +1 blog of intimidation
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well no thats why you eat the mats when you find them
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the latter, and has been for many years.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform has yet to march in an army so hungry it's drawing lots for the pots apparently
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: wut!?
(trilema) ben_vulpes had to beat emacs into supporting ruby this week, company-mode served well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ever get company-mode working?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm also expecting he-who-knows-all-about-raising-children-without-ever-having-had-any to chime in
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: well yes, that was the nucleating input
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the whole SIDS thing reeks of idiopathic "we don't know what's going on but here try these things so that you feel in control"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski are you taking this "no infants sleeping on their bellies" thing seriously?
(trilema) ben_vulpes still chuckling
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whaack: get buschel in here?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tbqh every time i hear about what the wizards are up to it sounds like something from a parallel universe
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.themorningnews.org/article/blues-on-wheels << "a writer becomes a carrier for the USPS out of a complete lack of options. what she discovers is that government jobs are actually miserable." ftfy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: buenos carmen diaz
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;calc 864000000/54
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "I will personally come out to SF and make this all public and have a showdown" << aha do what now i'm sorry i ohohohahaha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in 1970 boston
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mominlol has a great story about having to be the big bad landlady so that the social workers could maintain the trust of her evictee
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's not great but hey you're working in the browser
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that said, clojure's a good example of how even a shitty lisp is strong enough to wrap its tentacles around more or less the whole webshitstack and deliver a single cognitive environment for writing 'software' that stretches from the server to the browser
(trilema) ben_vulpes would unlearn anything to be free of the shitstack
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > one homogenous thing << in the same way that the cl compiler's available to user code? or some level higher?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: von neumann.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (and yes i understand why you don't want to talk to anyone polluted by vn about this thing)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is probably horrendously wrong, but i currently imagine some 'main' program entrypoint with subsections that indicate their parallelizability. is this entirely wrong or correctably wrong?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so there must be constraints on the programmering style in order for an arbitrary program to be arbitrarily parallelizable
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so i take the little proggy i've written--would i need to do anything special to it in order to take advantage of more m^2 of compute fabric?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: okay asciilifeform another strike at the fortress of incomprehensibility then
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ^^ unrelated
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