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BingoBoingo: "What is PC but verbal form of gentrification?"
mircea_popescu: "helping the economy" ?
mircea_popescu: how goes MobGod
mircea_popescu: i mean mod6
mod6: good! busy.
mod6: got a fair chunk of a script to alter the buildroot .mk files working.
mod6: hoping to test it with the required packages in a test dir on the foundation site this weekend.
mod6: looking forward to that.
mod6: g'night all!
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pete_dushenski: "our phone is so epic that we had to rip off a chris bangle design from 20 years ago to just to allow it to function for an entire day without recharging! electric batteries are our future! (tm) (r)"
pete_dushenski: "Saudi Arabia stood accused on Tuesday of trying to wreck the Paris climate summit in order to protect its future as one of the world’s largest oil producers." << wow. 'wreck' is so apt they had to use it twice. 1st su, 2nd us. now the only thing missing is a shiny red star in bahamas' (faux) fur hat and you'd swear you had deja vu.
pete_dushenski: "A US supreme court justice has suggested that black students may benefit from the end of affirmative action admissions policies in US universities because many are “pushed ahead too fast” and should go to “lesser schools” instead."
pete_dushenski: "The comments by Antonin Scalia came as conservatives on the court gave a sympathetic hearing to a white student who claims she was deprived of a place at the University of Texas due to her race."
pete_dushenski: "Abigail Fisher graduated two years ago from Louisiana State University instead, but the court was warned that the number of minority students on US college campuses could “plummet” if her appeal against UT is successful – something Scalia suggested could be no bad thing."
pete_dushenski: "“There are those who contend that it does not benefit African Americans to get them into the University of Texas where they do not do well, as opposed to having them go to a less-advanced school, a slower-track school, where they do well,” he said."
pete_dushenski: "“I’m just not impressed by the fact that the University of Texas may have fewer [black students if the admissions policy changes]. Maybe it ought to have fewer. And maybe, when you take more, the number of blacks, really competent blacks, admitted to lesser schools, turns out to be less,” he added. “I don’t think it stands to reason that it’s a good thing for the University of Texas to admit as many
pete_dushenski: blacks as possible.”"
mircea_popescu: lol, "we accuse this guy of trying to survive. HES A WRECKER!"
pete_dushenski: ^in which scalia pulls the mask off bahamas' incompetent ruse.
pete_dushenski: totally nuts
pete_dushenski: "your future is the planet's future"
mircea_popescu: anyway. the saudi's have russia's backing, which is what the whole oil glut and cutting bahamas down at the knees was all about. they did their part and the russkis can't afford to sell them out. nor does anyone exist who could make a decent offer, bahamas' is dead broke and the eu is a joke.
pete_dushenski: "your children will survive von luft und liebe!"
mircea_popescu: china's going to stick with them, disinterestedly, quietly.
mircea_popescu: and that's that.
mircea_popescu: the current meaning of the paris accord is, "the decaying west trying to parlay its unavoidable, certain industrial demise into some sort of international subsidies for itself"
pete_dushenski: why can't ruskies afford to sell out saudis ?
mircea_popescu: they'll get a little, but they'll get less than they would gladly take and WAY less than what they'd need to keep the charade going.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski because without saudis their whole southern flank collapses, and that's how they had a famine in leningrad last time.
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pete_dushenski: saudis needed to keep baku burning ?
mircea_popescu: that's unclear.
mircea_popescu: anyway, they should have met in rome.
mircea_popescu: that's traditionally where these grand adventures against abstractions predicated on a shortage of currency traditionally started
mircea_popescu: back when they were called "the crusades"
pete_dushenski: a millennia is too long of a historical recollection for idjits still using last century's slurs.
mircea_popescu: we wish the dukes and counts the best of luck in aleppo, and we move on to more important matters.
BingoBoingo: Now in other news... It's the right thing to refer to segregated witness as "Jim Crow" for signatures?
BingoBoingo: Or maybe more specifically "Jim Crow For Signatures On Blockchain"
BingoBoingo: Thoughts on this phrasing before it enters the media cycle?
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assbot: Satoshi's PGP Keys Are Probably Backdated and Point to a Hoax | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiEGw )
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pete_dushenski: nyooz at 11, wright's a lazy scammer. myth. busted.
assbot: Philip Greenspun's Weblog » Obama’s speech about San Bernardino ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiTl8 )
punkman: I don't think at this point you can ever have the "real" satoshi
punkman: maybe you can have a believable one, but it can't be proven
punkman: suppose Craig had whatever keys you want him to have. who's to say he didn't steal them sometime in the past 5 years
pete_dushenski: i was about to saw that an alien invasion was more likely than satoshi leaving his privkeys open to any sort of theft, then i remember his affinity for dsa and winbloze...
pete_dushenski: s/say/saw
pete_dushenski: punkman: there are presumably questions that one could ask of any potential "satoshi" during an interrogation
pete_dushenski: this would at least weed out the very poor actors who hadn't spent 2-3 years memorising minutiae
BingoBoingo: This really doesn't look like the first time Hoaxtoshi has keep up a con for multiple years
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punkman: pete_dushenski: sure, we can weed out the weak satoshis just by reading X lines of text they've written
punkman: I certainly can't think of any question or piece of data that'd prove the satoshi.
mircea_popescu: which is exactly what the man wanted, apparently.
punkman: can't wait for a believable satoshi though, will be fun
mircea_popescu: like the non-dumb politician, or the well read pundit, or so forth.
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deedbot-: [Qntra] After XT Failure Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain - http://qntra.net/2015/12/after-xt-failure-gavin-andresen-supports-jim-crow-for-signatures-on-the-blockchain/
pete_dushenski: see, and here i was wondering what the fuck the shitgnomes were up to now. qntra to the rescue !
BingoBoingo: Thank you pete_dushenski for editting the editor
pete_dushenski: np at all
punkman: "disposable structure known as a "witness" that does not get committed to the blockchain" << sigs still stored in blockchain last time I looked
pete_dushenski: i only edited grammar, i only edited grammar !!1
pete_dushenski can't do all BingoBoingo's work ;/
BingoBoingo: punkman: Not with the new derp
BingoBoingo: If implemented
BingoBoingo: punkman: The entire point of this derpology is making more space for transactions by kicking signatures out of blocks
punkman: what new derp? SPV/pruning/sig-check-skipping nodes exist already
BingoBoingo: punkman: New derp is 1MB blocks that hold transactions of 1.7-4 MB blocks because no signatures in block.
BingoBoingo: "Scalibility"
BingoBoingo: Like lizards see
punkman: the worst part is that new core nodes won't be sending witness data to old nodes
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Not this again. ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGmXlc )
punkman: lol
pete_dushenski: "Nowadays I ask computer-science faculty candidates to explain their view on the ethical responsibilities of computer scientists. Some respond like a deer in headlights, unsure what such a question could even mean." << via http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf
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pete_dushenski: ^speaking of morals and ethics
pete_dushenski: "The Moral Character of Cryptographic Work by Phillip Rogaway"
pete_dushenski: the kid can seriously cite sources, i'll give him that.
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Segregated Witness features wish list ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWxcwA )
deedbot-: [Qntra] Satoshi: Craig Steven Wright Not Me, We All Are Me - http://qntra.net/2015/12/satoshi-craig-steven-wright-not-me-we-all-are-me/
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: 'visTomail'
BingoBoingo: ty fxd
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fluffypony: punkman I have an idea
fluffypony: every time there's a new feature we just create a new separate chain
fluffypony: and then in the old chain we just store pointers to data in the new chain
fluffypony: no more hard forks ever, and you have thousands of useless zombie nodes
BingoBoingo: That's basically what this Jim Crow thing is
pete_dushenski: "Taleb’s tantrum is reprehensible, but at the end of the day it’s his own business whether he is willing to listen to actual experts. He does more harm by setting a bad example. He’s not just refusing to engage opposing opinions himself, he’s encouraging his readers and followers to do it too"
pete_dushenski: "This isn’t just bad manners, it’s destructive. Taleb is intentionally tearing down the kind of back-and-forth conversations that are critical to helping laypeople (like himself) form educated opinions about the safety of GMOs and other scientific subjects. And he’s doing with ugly, personal insults that demonize the other side of the debate, just because it’s fun. It’s a terrible, foolish strategy." <
pete_dushenski: < boohoo everyone should be a middle class conformist and comport themselves with only the flattest and shallowest mannerisms and phraseologies.
assbot: Good science communication means never calling them “retard” – even if you’re Nassim Taleb – Violent metaphors ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWyPKC )
pete_dushenski: "By trying to disqualify everyone who disagrees with him from civilized debate, Taleb and those who follow his tactics merely disqualify themselves." << bwahaha who's disqualified again ? oh, that's right, it's 'the people', 'us', 'we', (women), etc.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
pete_dushenski: if you can't put your personal feelings to the side, you have no place in civilised discourse and debate. period.
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BingoBoingo: ;;more
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assbot: Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWz2NT )
BingoBoingo: !up BashCo ^
assbot: P2Pool release 15.0 - HARDFORK - Upgrade URGENTLY required. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWOCAO )
assbot: Praise be to the Higgs Broson, the swoliest particle known to man : swoleacceptance ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWOEst )
pete_dushenski: that btc miners would go to reddit for their latest news is pretty mindboggling
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You gotta realize P2P isn't the big miners
pete_dushenski: that's a point.
pete_dushenski: in other nyooz, eth below 0.002 and dropping. i think we've got a nail-biter on our hands !
assbot: > Edit to add PS: Also what is Satoshi's original mail. I hope satoshi@vistomail... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1NWP0PK )
BingoBoingo: The only fitness question that mattershttps://archive.is/JOiuz
pete_dushenski guesses : 10 chin-ups ?
pete_dushenski: wtf is swoleacceptance ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's basically body acceptance for people who don't suck.
pete_dushenski: aha 'juice monkeys'
pete_dushenski to bed. bon soir !
BingoBoingo: This is in contrast to: "We had one huge manlet of a kid in junior high. 14 years old probably 300+ pounds at about 5'4. We all hated the kid not just because he was fat and stunk like shit, he was a massive nerd and a complete prick. Some shitlord brought up the fact that he smells so bad because he probably can't fit in the shower, so we took a pink highlighter, not a permanent marker, and highlighted his arm to test the bathing
BingoBoingo: theory. Fucking mark was on his arm for at least two weeks."
BingoBoingo: !up Birdman
Birdman: not sure if its because of the thread q difference now or what but the yield in my mining has been up between 5-10%, while my hit rate has gone from 70-80% to ~40%
punkman: what is hit rate?
Birdman: im sorry it wasn't meant for this channel
punkman: aww
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punkman: nice
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mircea_popescu: sooo... here's an idea for a consumer company : dropship nuts.
mircea_popescu: have a website, with a selection of nut packages. some serving sizes of peanuts, pistachios, whatever.
mircea_popescu: then allow user to specify an image file and an address
mircea_popescu: print the image on the package and mail them over.
mircea_popescu: call it Deez Nuts
mircea_popescu: or w/e, Dee'z Nuts. have Dee the DD blondy your mascot, you can re-use all the godaddy advertising gimmicks.
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna do it ? you need a few k sq ft of warehouse, somewhere where it's cheap (michigan ?), a coupla packaging machines, a plastic printer and a few workers, no prior skills required that's it. 50k for advertising 50k for the gear gets you wll going. buy the nuts in bulk for cents, sell the packs for dollars, you're looking at 99% margins.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it's remarkable how plainly dedicated to wrecking bitcoin the usg agents are, huh.
mircea_popescu: "oh, so you exposed us ? whatever, redditards still depend on usg for their daily survival, and are dumb anyway. so we'll just carry on, but this time without shame"
mircea_popescu: anyway, nice write-up.
mircea_popescu: mod6 perhaps an announcement that the bitcoin foundation maintains and will continue to maintain a real bitcoin client, notwithstanding continued attacks from well known usg agents on the core values of sound money ?
mircea_popescu: <punkman> the worst part is that new core nodes won't be sending witness data to old nodes <<< guess why.
mircea_popescu: they want a fork. they failed to ghet the xt fork going, they're back to pretending like they're in after spending a year pretending like reddit/xtcoin was anything but outsourced philipinos. and now the pretense is that you know, whatever, nobody knows anything of the last year, nobody learned anythning, we'll just do... this. which is that.
mircea_popescu: punkman no but this is with a z see
mircea_popescu: anyway, the truth of the matter is that the usg-dole livers don't belong in bitcoin. not in any other sense than they CAN NOT be in bitcoin. simply impossible.
mircea_popescu: so they'll find their way out, and good riddance.
mircea_popescu: next time you feel the itch to "drive adoption", specially to poor/stupid people, think that giving a car to a guy living in a horsepulled cart doesn't help him.
mircea_popescu: and it does create a mess for the people on the highway.
assbot: After XT Failure Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQ8HdO )
mircea_popescu: https://archive.is/0aLpT << lulz at the trezor/"bitcoin speculation" derp. seriously, "there exists consensus" ? tardstalk references ? le sigh already.
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Segregated Witness features wish list ... ( http://bit.ly/1jQafEG )
mircea_popescu: "Okay. So I am Pieter Wuille. I'll be talking about segregated witness for Bitcoin. Before I can explain this, I want to give some context. We all know how bitcoin transactions work. Every bitcoin transaction gets inputs, which refer to previous outputs being spent. Every input has the txid and the signature to prove that it is allowed, plus an amount and script in every output. What this presentation will mostly be ab
mircea_popescu: out is the question of whether all of this data is equally important.
mircea_popescu: In particular, we are going to be talking about signatures. It's important to realize here that signatures are really only needed for fully-validating nodes. As a light-weight client, you are not validating signatures, even though they are part of the transactions you still have to download them. If you are using a full-node that is syncing historical data, you don't actually validate all of the signatures in there. Cu
mircea_popescu: rrently there is a mechanism in there using checkpoints, which we want to deprecate soon, but the result will still be that we're not validating all signatures from years ago in deep history."
mircea_popescu: herp. and this isn't something that should be fixed, rite.
mircea_popescu: no, it's "industry standard" eh ?
mircea_popescu: !rate sipa -10 moved on to work on wrecking bitcoin.
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mircea_popescu: ;;rate sipa -10 moved on to work on wrecking bitcoin. see https://archive.is/03a9R#selection-131.0-139.533
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mircea_popescu: and since we're doing vermin for some reason this morning, check out https://archive.is/iMqlE
mircea_popescu: scammers & usg agents decide the actual wot is kinda unfriendly to their ilk, "reboot" it. because yeah, totally, that's how it works.
mircea_popescu: Christopher Allen Former CTO Certicom Co-Author TLS 1.0 ; Jon Callas Former CTO of PGP Now CTO Silent Circle ; Greg Maxwell Bitcoin Core Maintainer CTO Blockstream ; Peter Todd Bitcoin Core Contributor ; Greg Slepak OKTurtles and DNSChain ; Markus Sabadello OASIS XDI Internet Identity ; Vitalik Buterin Founder of Ethereum and Bitcoin Magazine ; F. Randall Farmer Author of "Building Web Reputation Systems" ; Pie
mircea_popescu: ter Wuille Co-founder at Blockstream Bitcoin Core Developer ; Kiara Robles Creator of blockchainMe ; Juan Benet Creator of IPFS Founder of Protocol Labs ; Alex Leverington Core Developer Ethereum ; Tyler Close Access control thinker and implementer ; Ryan Shea Co-founder Onename ; Muneeb Ali Co-founder Onename ; Drummond Reed Co-Founder & CTO Respect Network ; Matthew Schutte Co-Founder at Collaborative Advanta
mircea_popescu: ge ; Joseph Bonneau Applied Crypto Group ; Jude Nelson Syndicate Private Cloud Storage ; Michael Folkson Founder of RiskBazaar ; Noah Thorp Co-Founder Citizen Code ; Harlan T Wood Citizen Code Enlightened Structure ; Duke Dorje Citizen Code Formerly PGP ; Joel Dietz Citizen Code Founder of Swarm ; Patrick Deegan CTO of Personal BlackBox ; John Edge Cofounder & Chairman Identity2020 ; Justin Newton Netki Foun
mircea_popescu: der and CEO ; Wayne Thayer VP of Security Products at GoDaddy
mircea_popescu: ^ kill list, for future convenience.
shinohai: It's like whitewashing a fence!
mircea_popescu: "The reason for this name is because signatures are not part of the transaction. They don't describe what the transaction is doing." herpitty derp, fancy that!
mircea_popescu: "Wouldn't it be nice to just drop the signatures? The reason why we can't do this is because the signature is part of the transaction hash. If we would just drop the sig from the transaction, the block wouldn't validate, you wouldn't be able to prove an output spend came from that transaction, so that's not something we could do. But let's simplify the problem. What if we could redesign Bitcoin from scratch? What if yo
mircea_popescu: u're designing an altcoin, there's really no reason why you would want to do this in Bitcoin. This is actually something we did in sidechain alpha."
mircea_popescu: "You would mark the signature data as special. You are indicated by green color on this slide. Everything but the green part goes into the hash of a transaction. The signature doesn't. It's just a piece of data that's still there, but we don't consider it part of the transaction.
mircea_popescu: This redesign would allow you to drop this data."
mircea_popescu: is there no honest man that ever worked for a university ?
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the strategy is to throw turds at bitcoin 'until one sticks.' there is a squad devoted to throwing large ones (e.g., xt, 'segregated' nonsense, etc) and another for smaller ones (weird and useless tx types, etc)
mircea_popescu: well, i guess it's time for an article, what can i say.
asciilifeform: the 'embrace & extinguish' busienss is tried&true usg vs linux
asciilifeform: (notice, it largely... worked)
mircea_popescu: no money in linux.
asciilifeform: big money in continued microshitification though.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340306 << this is the umpteenth attempt, but - iirc - the only one thus far to reference the ~actual~ wot, in the 'embrace&extinguish' sense
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 14:04:02; mircea_popescu: scammers & usg agents decide the actual wot is kinda unfriendly to their ilk, "reboot" it. because yeah, totally, that's how it works.
asciilifeform: in the keybase vs actual-pgp sense
asciilifeform: none of the idiot heresies are even in any sense new. 'multisig', for instance, is simply 1990s clinton key escrow, 'old wine in new bottle'
mircea_popescu: a bottle made of tin foil.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 07:40:28; pete_dushenski: "Nowadays I ask computer-science faculty candidates to explain their view on the ethical responsibilities of computer scientists. Some respond like a deer in headlights, unsure what such a question could even mean." << via http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf
assbot: Logged on 01-12-2015 18:09:50; ascii_field: from the l0ltr0ns: http://web.cs.ucdavis.edu/~rogaway/papers/moral-fn.pdf >>>>> http://dpaste.com/02AW7SH.txt
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340227 << lulzy indeed: 'I feel that in the interest of disclosure I should inform you that I am one of the moderators of the bitcoin-dev mailing list and I approved that email. I regret it already.' (kanzure)
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:19:19; BingoBoingo: lol https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=10709402
asciilifeform: now kanzure (hi! and whatcha still doing here) is an interesting fella.
asciilifeform: made his richez young, and theoretically wants for nothing, but still was somehow tempted to join the usgification-of-bitcoin crowd. long ago.
asciilifeform: perhaps they took his mother, or his dog, hostage, whatever.
mircea_popescu: or perhaps he's amoral for reason of mental retardation.
asciilifeform: if anybody gives a shit, walk into #bitcoin-wizards and ask him.
asciilifeform: ('wizards' is where they spend all day thinking of what shit-to-bolt-on-the-side-of-the-kalash)
asciilifeform: !s bitcoin-wizards
assbot: 10 results for 'bitcoin-wizards' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=bitcoin-wizards
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with that, really.
asciilifeform: it is entertaining, and i occasionally read their logz for lulz
mircea_popescu: i nten million bars all over the world a hundred million derps spend hours discussing what shit they'd stick to the sides of kardashian, also
asciilifeform: these folks are fully convinced that they are 'the ~cerebral~ #bitcoin-assets'
asciilifeform: and virtually the whole rogue's gallery of gavinistas etc. who were shown their latrine place here, have reappeared there.
mircea_popescu: well... good for 'em neh ?
mircea_popescu: tis a free world.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00047252 = 24.9254 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 12:10:47; jurov: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png intel miners on?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340273 << tell it to intel and the belching smokestacks of the 14nm fabs
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 13:25:53; mircea_popescu: anyway, the truth of the matter is that the usg-dole livers don't belong in bitcoin. not in any other sense than they CAN NOT be in bitcoin. simply impossible.
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 perhaps an announcement that the bitcoin foundation maintains and will continue to maintain a real bitcoin client, notwithstanding continued attacks from well known usg agents on the core values of sound money ? << sounds good, will write something up by EOD.
asciilifeform: https://archive.is/1bjpD << some mild lulz (for entomologists strictly)
assbot: I fear gwern has gone off the deep end on this one, situation is getting ridicul... | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/1lxi2sW )
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340160 << not especially hard to prove that a particular imbecile ~isn't~, however. e.g., sit him down and ask a few basic q's re: the src.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 07:06:13; punkman: I certainly can't think of any question or piece of data that'd prove the satoshi.
assbot: There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1lxiG9S )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess you might enjoy.
asciilifeform: this can even be conveniently done in a 'coke machine' setup, where a robotic instrument of torture discourages contrived malingering mistakes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how in satan's name does one produce 'verifiable death certificate' ?
asciilifeform: afaik the historical gold standard is... the head
mircea_popescu: never you mind. we're talking to idiots here.
mircea_popescu: things aren't what they are, they're what the packaging says they are.
mircea_popescu: and so...
mircea_popescu: and yeah re the src point : /me would enjoy a show conssiting of alf crossexamining pretenders.
asciilifeform would also enjoy.
asciilifeform: and i can think of a buncha other folks here who could readily play the part of the fella with the hot soldering iron
asciilifeform: 'Nodes means "fully validating" nodes. The other version, the faux-nodes, the "not really nodes", the "I can't believe it's not a node" SPV nonsense are the ones that require the specification just like when an honest man meets a thief the honest man is Jim and the thief is Jeff the Thief - not the other fucking way around.' << gold
asciilifeform fallz down
mircea_popescu: it's hysterical tho, last year they were all "oh noes, moore's law, infinity resources, must make blocks infinitesize"
mircea_popescu: this year they're all "oh noes, scarce resources, must replace blockchain with a napkin"
mircea_popescu: da fuck already.
mircea_popescu: why would you need to purge anything, i thought usgavin had consensused with a bunch of experts as to how there's plenty of room for everything.
thestringpuller: i see mircea_popescu is not happy with PW's SW
deedbot-: [Trilema] There's a one Bitcoin reward for the death of Pieter Wuille. Details below. - http://trilema.com/2015/theres-a-one-bitcoin-reward-for-the-death-of-pieter-wuille-details-below/
mircea_popescu: aww... experiencing a little bit o' ddos, somehow. back shortly.
davout: mircea_popescu: "Valid Bitcoin addresses start with a "1"" <<< since when?
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mircea_popescu: davout since forever.
mircea_popescu: what, it changed ?
thestringpuller: yea you can put 3 in front of it
thestringpuller: and it's a multisig!!!!!!
mircea_popescu: never heard of it.
mircea_popescu: that's ok, i don't much read social media.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2HK5V9Q.txt )
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mircea_popescu: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/03/introducing-rr.html << for some obscure reason, rr joins the pile of all the other attempts at record/replay. along with mozilla itself.
assbot: Well, I'm Back: Introducing rr ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhnmNt )
mircea_popescu: odd how this works.
assbot: Venture Capitalists Get Paid Well to Lose Money ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhnY5K )
mircea_popescu: "2013 had all the signs of being a comeback year for venture capital. Booming public equities and a recovered IPO market generated record portfolio company exits and distributions from VC funds. The industry realized its highest returns since the Internet boom.
mircea_popescu: Yet 2013 annual industry performance data from Cambridge Associates shows that venture capital continues to underperform the S&P 500, NASDAQ and Russell 2000."
mircea_popescu: 2015 has moar hype, less wealth. and 2016...
mircea_popescu: "But the bigger problem – and the real problem for investors – is how little of a problem this persistent underperformance is for VCs themselves. LPs have created and perpetuate an industry of such structural economic misalignment that VCs can underperform and not only survive, but thrive."
mircea_popescu: i fully expect the 2016 sv vc verbiage to be all about special pleading of the "employee contracts" sort seen this year. "we lose a lot of money but want you to somehow believe everything that exists is due us!"
mircea_popescu: vapid housewife standard fare.
mircea_popescu: VCs barely invest in their own funds. The “market standard” is for VCs to personally invest 1% of the fund size, and for investors to contribute the remaining 99%. <<
mircea_popescu: the best part is that this works out to a 50% discount for the first year. basically, they;re out there selling adjustable APR mortgages to suckers.
mircea_popescu: and the [same] suckers are buying.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6273 @ 0.00048751 = 3.0582 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340202 << and nobody will ever notice or care, either. you've perhaps noticed the conferences get smaller and smaller and the attendance ever more obscure.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:04:03; fluffypony: no more hard forks ever, and you have thousands of useless zombie nodes
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 16:58:06; mircea_popescu: http://robert.ocallahan.org/2014/03/introducing-rr.html << for some obscure reason, rr joins the pile of all the other attempts at record/replay. along with mozilla itself.
mircea_popescu: so it is.
mircea_popescu: just discussing his observation it never went anywhere.
ascii_field: the reason that nobody ever ~did it right~ - and not gdb, either - is the ridiculous qty of not only bandwidth, but FAST storage, required.
ascii_field: gotta record every flipped bit of register, BUT ALSO OF RAM
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:07:31; pete_dushenski: "Taleb’s tantrum is reprehensible, but at the end of the day it’s his own business whether he is willing to listen to actual experts. He does more harm by setting a bad example. He’s not just refusing to engage opposing opinions himself, he’s encouraging his readers and followers to do it too"
assbot: Good science communication means never calling them “retard” – even if you’re Nassim Taleb – Violent metaphors ... ( http://bit.ly/1IWyPKC )
ascii_field: and satan help you if your program actually does any i/o.
mircea_popescu: i wasn't aware they say retard on ws.
ascii_field: herr taleb, iirc, is self-funded, says whatever the fuck he pleases
mircea_popescu: "Taleb has been kicking up the dust lately on Facebook and Twitter, encouraging his readers to not even listen to people who disagree with his beliefs about GMOs." << apparently encouraging readers to not erven listen to people who know better than to buy in the "rape" narrative, or the "global warming" narrative is a-ok. the problems only start when power exists unalligned to the usg, then the means are VERY BAD!!11
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340385 << everything but hat3sp33ch!1111 e.g. sigs
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 15:17:55; mircea_popescu: why would you need to purge anything, i thought usgavin had consensused with a bunch of experts as to how there's plenty of room for everything.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 387713 | Current Difficulty: 7.910238090022598E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 389087 | Next Difficulty In: 1374 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 0 days, 5 hours, 33 minutes, and 28 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: funny tho, so their target is "bitcoin community" < 6months old ?
ascii_field sees the '7.91....' and immediately thinks 'pretty good!111' but then remember he isn't looking at 'ent'
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340224 << actually p2p is all the tiny confuseled derps.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 08:17:07; BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: You gotta realize P2P isn't the big miners
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4110 @ 0.00049298 = 2.0261 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ascii_field lol
mircea_popescu: it does say E!
ascii_field: actually p2p is, for the most part, the botnetz
ascii_field had no idea anyone still bothered
mircea_popescu: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CV1UJKWWoAEFJpl.jpg <<< ah, the leah goodman derp still involved in all this ?
mircea_popescu: wtf is wrong with people lmao.
mircea_popescu: "So there are two possibilities here. One is that Craig Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto. The other is that Wright has been conducting an elaborate, year-long con to convince the world that he is Satoshi Nakamoto." mno... timmy boy. the third which is really the only one that matters, is that http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-12-2015#1339534
assbot: Logged on 09-12-2015 11:13:57; mircea_popescu: anyway, so the point of the "is random derp X ?" (no) article was so that reuters could run a piece saying "Australian police raided the Sydney home and office on Wednesday of a man named by Wired magazine as the probable creator of bitcoin and holder of hundreds of millions of dollars worth of the cryptocurrency, Reuters witnesses said."
mircea_popescu: and of course, so that tim lee/vox can say "If Wright is Satoshi Nakamoto, he will instantly become the most prominent person in the Bitcoin world."
mircea_popescu: im guessing if the "swj" update to bitcoin goes the same way the xt update goes, usg is going to discover that really, gavin has no objection to wearing a going to wear a satoshi costume permanently ?
mircea_popescu: "oh, we discovered the real-real-real one, it's this derp, and as vox said, this now makes him the most important rite ?"
ascii_field: the other enigma is,
ascii_field: was it really so impossible to find a halfway-convincing actor ?
ascii_field: e.g. somebody literate
mircea_popescu: same thing as "properlly spelled spam" i guess.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field http://nodes.p2pool.co/ < minefast.coincadence.com 78 TH/s ; elizium.name 22 TH/s ; xt.warp2pool.eu 18 TH/s ; galactica.geekgalaxy.com 15 TH/s ; cammello.agaland.it 9 TH/s ; 108.31.56.9 6 TH/s ; p2pool.science 4 TH/s ; 75.101.102.41 2 TH/s ; p2pool.servebeer.com1 TH/s
assbot: P2Pool.co Node Scanner ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qhr9dS )
mircea_popescu: most of it is random "seo experts" front.
assbot: Scammers Demand Money, Threaten to Kill Stamford Residents | NBC Connecticut ... ( http://bit.ly/1QhrpcM )
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, do you really want Pieter Wuille's blood on your hands?
mircea_popescu: say wut ?
HeySteve: you've made your point but that's going too far
mircea_popescu: you're one to judge this ?
HeySteve: any sane person will make this judgement
mircea_popescu: then any sane person will do something else with their time, i guess.
HeySteve: this will only undermine opposition to SW
mircea_popescu: you're one to judge this ?
HeySteve: I might not be the best person to judge the technical issues. but to judge murder for hire? yes, why not
HeySteve: I wish you would reconsider, this is madness
mircea_popescu: tell you what : the oposition to xt was... me. that you or any other "sane persons" jumped on later on or not is relatively irrelevant. and, for that matter, the opposition to pirate was also me. and everything in between - me. meanwhile "sane persons" were busy with derping at me about how "mpoe-pr is unprofessional calling out the scam".
mircea_popescu: so... you know. this is where you learn from what works.
HeySteve: I hope you continue to oppose scammers and act for the conservation of "classic" bitcoin. but this is not the way to go about it.
HeySteve: I mean really, putting out a hit? what if some desperate or crazy person takes you up on it, are you ready for the criminal charges?
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> actually p2p is, for the most part, the botnetz << Not feasible anymore really. p2P diff is too high. Most seems to be 1-5 dedicated recent mining rigs, so home users.
mircea_popescu: again. how would you know ?
BingoBoingo: Just guessing by the range of hashrates reported. Also did the p2pool thing with ATC.
mircea_popescu: not you lol, him
mircea_popescu: guy knows the way to go about things he ain't doing, and wishes to inform the people actually doing it.
HeySteve: I know evil bullshit when I see it.
mircea_popescu: do you basically grep for strings or is there more to it than that ?
HeySteve: step 1 is not being a psychopath. try it sometime.
mircea_popescu: here's the thing : the delusional notion that their lives aren't on the line is what makes people do most of the fucktarded shit they do. it certainly is the case with the power rangers.
mircea_popescu: a little reality call never hurt anyone
mircea_popescu: unpun unintended.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: wake me up when i can buy a ticket to the impalements.
mircea_popescu: which those ?
ascii_field: of 'power rangerz', et al
mircea_popescu: ah ah i read implements.
mircea_popescu: in also lulzy news, the maryland-based righteous ddosing of trilema earlier was kinda weak and ineffectual, when compared to the standard angry economics driven ddosen we've seen over the years.
mircea_popescu: i guess yet another field where the private sector has the public sector whupped.
ascii_field: l0l md where
ascii_field: the uni ?
mircea_popescu: lemme fish the ips i banned
HeySteve: well, I wash my hands of this place
ascii_field: HeySteve: don't let the door hit you on the arse
mircea_popescu: baltimore mostly.
mircea_popescu: how exactly is the world supposed to work without "psychopaths". so asshole goes and does something outright evil, and we all what, chant to purge his "sw" out of bitcoin ? hold hands ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: was it udp barf from konsoomer modems?
mircea_popescu: keep sending him home baked pies ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i've really not spent so much time looking into it, gb-and-a-half piddle from 10s of ips.
ascii_field: likely it then
mircea_popescu: !rated heysteve
assbot: You rated user heysteve on 25-Oct-2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Fairer sex connoisseur.
mircea_popescu: im trying to recall who this guy is/was.
mircea_popescu: oh fuck, he's the guy with the sa rentals. right.
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2015 14:24:36; HeySteve: as for the rest, mircea_popescu, you may dismiss everything that isn't Bitcoin 0.5 as a scam but I do not take this view without evidence
assbot: Logged on 23-10-2015 13:56:49; HeySteve: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=22-10-2015#1305598 < scalable means up to 10,000 TPS, fast means ~5 second confirms, flexible means you can create all kinds of financial instruments (like integrating BANX or creating market-pegged assets)
assbot: 4 results for 'heysteve landlords' - #bitcoin-assets search
mircea_popescu: incidentally, why do people wish to add semantic content to bitcoin ?
ascii_field: like waht?
mircea_popescu: hasn't html/xml/sgml failed horribly enough ?
mircea_popescu: like "scripts"
ascii_field: same reason why add a 2kg telescope to kalash ?
ascii_field: or a searchlight projector
ascii_field: 'BECAUSE K00L!!111'
thestringpuller: kalash makes a good sniper rifle tho
mircea_popescu: so no more unix philosophy, just... everything expands to read mail ?
ascii_field: thestringpuller: wai wut
mircea_popescu: assault-sniping.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: if you live in usa you are not far from some place where you can rent a kalash and try 'snipe' at 100 metres into a plate
ascii_field: go, try
thestringpuller: ^- i've done this
thestringpuller: it's not so bad
thestringpuller: not as good as a "real" sniper rifle
ascii_field: aha. now try 500m which is what 'snipe' means in the civilized world
mircea_popescu: much better than a water gun
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340521 << now the other thing is: chumpatronic engineering
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 18:02:24; mircea_popescu: incidentally, why do people wish to add semantic content to bitcoin ?
ascii_field: in the specific sense of 'goldmansachsization'
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 17:57:45; HeySteve: well, I wash my hands of this place
ascii_field: moar mechanical complexity, more room (or so they hope) for mechanized fraud
mircea_popescu: except this approach handed their country to china on a silver plate.
mircea_popescu: why the fuck would they still expect it to work
ascii_field: the fact never sank in
thestringpuller: because ethereum is revolutionary and thus bitcoin needs to be moar like it
ascii_field: because - largely - cn never came in and repossessed the whores & coke
mircea_popescu: myeah. i had a mp sitting on my shoulder going "Doh" as i hit enter
mircea_popescu: shinohai in fairness, wouldn't by any stretch be the first person we/i've driven to excuse themselves.
ascii_field: what was the name of the treason guy
ascii_field: !s treason
assbot: 40 results for 'treason' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=treason
shinohai: Life is precarious, get over it ^^
assbot: Logged on 31-01-2015 02:02:19; midnightmagic: dude. seriously plotting or fomenting the physical murder of the USG is sedition, insurrection, and various related crimes and there's no fucking way I'm interested in being associated with it just because I'm lurking in here.
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thestringpuller: yet ascii_field you are afraid to launder USG money? lol.
mircea_popescu: lol that really stuck with you huh
ascii_field: thestringpuller: in the same sense as i'm afraid to thermonuke davos
ascii_field: (elementarily lack the means)
thestringpuller: ic makes sense then.
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> what was the name of the treason guy << midnightmagic
ascii_field: and iirc there were moar
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> aha. now try 500m which is what 'snipe' means in the civilized world << This is job for the other (Mosin) Nagant
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 102800 @ 0.00049219 = 50.5971 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: in less emotional-driven nonsense,
mircea_popescu: "The Model is Confused and Misused. Frequently the same group that is arguing for more spending is the same one that “owns” the LTV calculation. (This is a mistake – finance should monitor LTV). As a result, it is not uncommon for one to see shortcuts taken that allow for greater freedom. As an example, marketers often divide spend by total customers to calculate SAC rather than just those customers that were
mircea_popescu: “purchased.” If you have organic customers, they shouldn’t be included in the spend calculus. They would have arrived regardless of spend. Also, many people discount “revenues” rather than marginal cash contribution. It is critical to bundle all future variable costs of supporting the customer in order to fairly estimate the future contribution. As an example of the sloppiness that exists around the formula,
mircea_popescu: consider this blog post (http://blog.kissmetrics.com/how-to-calculate-lifetime-value/) from KISS metrics, a company whose aim is to “help you make smarter business decisions.” Not only do they include a version of the model that specifically ignores future costs, but also they recommend taking an average of three different results, two of which are clearly flawed. This voodoo-math has no place as part of a multi-mi
mircea_popescu: llion dollar marketing exercise."
assbot: The Dangerous Seduction of the Lifetime Value (LTV) Formula | Above the Crowd | By Bill Gurley ... ( http://bit.ly/21SdtK0 )
mircea_popescu: "ltv" being one of the lulziest snakeoil products the marketing scambunch has been pushing down the throats of public cos
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ;;later tell mod6 trb www still shows non-v patches ?!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: !up btcdrak
btcdrak: mircea_popescu: what on earth are you up to?
mircea_popescu: bothering people, apparently.
btcdrak: mircea_popescu: I'm trying to divine if you are just trolling or dead serious.
mircea_popescu: well... i signed it, didn't i ? what's more.
mircea_popescu: why, you got the cert ?
btcdrak: mircea_popescu: Well I'm done here. You're out of order.
btcdrak: please remove my gpg key from assbot
mircea_popescu didn't even know he was in an order b4.
btcdrak: you are an idiot
ascii_field: !s gettrust btcdrak
assbot: 0 results for 'gettrust btcdrak' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gettrust+btcdrak
ascii_field: !gettrust btcdrak
assbot: ascii_field is not registered in WoT.
asciilifeform: !gettrust btcdrak
assbot: Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user btcdrak: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=btcdrak | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/btcdrak/
mircea_popescu: all these people with the higher moral ground calling peeps names and shit.
ascii_field has no idea we had so many of these
ascii_field: what were the remoras even doing here.
mircea_popescu: well, people gotta form their own opinions on things neh.
mircea_popescu: in fairness, the emotional angle is really hard to get past. which is why the thing's so effective in the first place.
ascii_field: wai wut
mircea_popescu: which part ?
ascii_field: emotional angle
mircea_popescu: try screaming "YOU MAKE EXCELLENT PIE" at the top of your lungs @woman, see if she takes it as a compliment.
mircea_popescu: !up dbclk
shinohai: Well I never would have guessed two individuals would get their panties in a bunch in one day.
mircea_popescu: life is the foremost value, yo! notwithstanding that the delusion of "freedom from consequence" is the fundamental corner stone of "creativity" as understood on the internets.
mircea_popescu: deep issues.
ascii_field: i thought it was 'any degree of scumhood is virtuous when it's in the service of usg, lie, cheat, kill, whatever'
mircea_popescu: you keep thinking the usg a prime mover
ascii_field: prime stator
mircea_popescu: the usg is mere detritus resulting from malfunctioning metabolism
mircea_popescu: nobody's glycemia gave them diabethes.
ascii_field: neh it's rather more like the original aids victim
ascii_field: the fella who wouldn't rest until he infected as many as he could
mircea_popescu: in me eyes tis entirely passive. does what "teh people" "need".
ascii_field always has, in back of head, suspicion that 'usg' is catastrophically misnamed, considering that the communicable disease in question goes back to at least voltaire
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 'Not only are they part of the transaction, not only are they an integral part of the transaction : they are the only actually needed part. What makes a transaction a transaction is the signature, nothing else. Everything else is like marketing : contributes to costs, not to revenue.' << here i will note that, if bitcoin used rsa sigs, the tx and the signature could be literally one and the same thing
ascii_field: (with a very small amount of number-theoretical elbow grease)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: [malleability] 'This is a major problem, principally driven by the deliberately broken state of the FOSS' << btw it affects pgp (via the braindamaged pkcs1.5) to same extent
mircea_popescu: it does.
kakobrekla: ftr 'gettrust' takes second argument optionally
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assbot: btcdrak WoT Overview - Btc Alpha ... ( http://bit.ly/1NexTFr )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41150 @ 0.00048811 = 20.0857 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2014 02:20:21; TimSwanson: That's not how debates work
BingoBoingo: Damn, It's like people forget about Andreas whose ghost supports this thing.
assbot: A Fresh Cry Of Pain: Fat-Shaming In Science : 13.7: Cosmos And Culture : NPR ... ( http://bit.ly/1NezWJI )
BingoBoingo: "She told me that her team did a lot of collaborative work in this lab, and she didn't need someone who was going to 'eat more than their fair share of the pizza, if you know what I mean.' "
assbot: After XT Failure Gavin Andresen Supports Jim Crow For Signatures On The Blockchain | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeA77Q )
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12822 @ 0.00049461 = 6.3419 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: http://imgur.com/G7mNXUI << coinbase's exchange built from MTGox code.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13341 @ 0.00049156 = 6.5579 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: WordPress 4.4 Arrives - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/21SHqd3 )
assbot: Okay, so I think I've figured out 'Dr' Craig White's end game in pretending to be Satoshi. : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/21SJxO4 )
BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash
tripleslash: I haz voiceseses
BingoBoingo: Are you going to ragequit the channel too?
BingoBoingo: Seems to be trend today. Happened twice.
shinohai: First time I had seen that happen, but I've only been here since June.
shinohai: Twice in one day tho ... puritans.
BingoBoingo: It seems to happen from time to time.
shinohai: I guess this place isn't for everyone, :/
BingoBoingo: What place is?
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin Network Hits 1 Exahash - http://bitbet.us/bet/1228/bitcoin-network-hits-1-exahash/#b14
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 2.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $1,000 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1234/bitcoin-to-top-1-000-before-jul-2016/#b15
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b9
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.20000000 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $800 before Jul 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1233/bitcoin-to-top-800-before-jul-2016/#b14
assbot: JL: Riding the Lie ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeSgCz )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: aka anarchotyranny / 'yi yi zhi yi'.
BingoBoingo: !up SirArthur_2
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.01279645 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $700 before Apr 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1236/bitcoin-to-top-700-before-apr-2016/#b10
BingoBoingo: !up cazalla_
cazalla_: thanks, i'd log in properly but won't stay long
cazalla_: asciilifeform, any idea if zed shaw knows his stuff? working through his learn python the hard way book past month or so, recommend any books once i'm done with this one (or anyone else for that matter)
ascii_field: cazalla_: i'm entirely unfamiliar with this author
assbot: Learn Python The Hard Way ... ( http://bit.ly/1NeUP7w )
cazalla_: yeah that guy, i actually bought a hard copy of the book though, been working on in it 1-2 hours each evening, trying to make a Legend of the Red Dragon mud type game meets bitcoin
ascii_field: looks like a perfectly legit guide to py
BingoBoingo: Even sticks to actual python 2 and not heretical 3
punkman: I've read a couple of his learn X books, not bad
assbot: Programming, Motherfucker - Do you speak it? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd6Q19 )
cazalla_: punkman, i'm finding it good and i'm on pace to actually finish it, but figured seeing i know little, might be best to ask he if what im learning has any value
assbot: Butter offers 1 BTC reward for the death of Pieter Wuille (Buttcoin developer) : Buttcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Rd6Y0C )
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up tcrypt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8073 @ 0.00048567 = 3.9208 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33675 @ 0.00048223 = 16.2391 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20600 @ 0.00048223 = 9.9339 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitstein sure, why not.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
xss: buna mircea! ce mai faci
mircea_popescu: not bad.
mircea_popescu: who're you again ?
xss: no1
xss: just browsing the good ol' freenode
mircea_popescu: alright.
mircea_popescu: that exahash bet is interesting huh.
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 387785 | Current Difficulty: 7.910238090022598E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 389087 | Next Difficulty In: 1302 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 days, 0 hours, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
mircea_popescu: ;;nethash
gribble: 747455577.646
mircea_popescu: seriously looks like 200+ phash added this week.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 12:10:47; jurov: http://bitcoin.sipa.be/speed-lin.png intel miners on?
asciilifeform: miner usgocalypse, possibly
mircea_popescu: possibly.
mircea_popescu: or maybe someone really has it in for mpoe-pr, wants her to lose all bets.
mircea_popescu: NO EXPENSE SPARED
asciilifeform: what could possibly be more surprising than the most easily-predictable thing conceivable finally happening.
mircea_popescu: <cazalla_> yeah that guy, i actually bought a hard copy of the book though, been working on in it 1-2 hours each evening, trying to make a Legend of the Red Dragon mud type game meets bitcoin <<< ahahaha check out the guy that took a year off from btc biz :D
asciilifeform pictures an obamahruschov banging shoe and declaiming that miners 'are rolling off our conveyors like sausages!1111 we will bury you'
mircea_popescu: haha would be pretty good actually.
mircea_popescu: <shinohai> top kek, mircea_popescu made buttcoin << eh, they've got a fascination with me ever since back when the subreddit was called somethingafwul
mircea_popescu: "edmundedgar 6 points 1 hour ago Why weren't people like this around when they were designing CSS?" << also, buttcoin is about 50 iq points over bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: ajhahahahaa omfg.
mircea_popescu: "CountOneInterrupt 2 points 1 hour ago Gotta love that classy web design with a butt next to the name. It's our sister site!" << check it out! someone fucking got it!
mircea_popescu: one of my more absconse private jokes to date!
mircea_popescu: http://gothamgal.com/2015/07/recapping-a-round/ << a little more about yc and its miserable approach to investing.
assbot: Recapping a round?? – Gotham Gal ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYAa3z )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17850 @ 0.00048462 = 8.6505 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: ok. let's see here...
mod6: <ascii_field> trb www still shows non-v patches ?! << ok so no, not yet. after ben and I sign everything for the release, we'll be updating the website.
mod6: Thanks for the reminder though.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32400 @ 0.00048223 = 15.6243 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: 'That's when you see the toxicity of the overall startup culture is the root of the problem that lead to your investment situation, diversity issues, contract worker issues, etc. A culture that values above all else -- as one investor put it to me -- the unfair advantage. The thing you do / have / are that gives you a 10x leg up on everyone else. And that just makes people look for the fastest, easiest way to the most unfair a
asciilifeform: dvantage they can get. Taking advantage of loopholes in laws, instead of doing what's right. Hiring people from your own network, instead of going beyond its narrow reach. And now, recapping a round, instead of honoring prior investments. That's the culture. And you *really* feel it in SF. You'd easily walk into a coffee shop there, and overhear this story about recapping a round being told with laughs and high-fives.' << from
asciilifeform: ze commentz
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-12-2015#1340144 << lulzy. the sheer cheapness of the sham...
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2015 06:49:28; assbot: Satoshi's PGP Keys Are Probably Backdated and Point to a Hoax | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1IGiEGw )
danielpbarron: aaaaand the trilema twatter account is suspended
asciilifeform: wasn't that last year ?
danielpbarron: that was mircea_popescu's personal account
mod6: hi asciilifeform
asciilifeform: good evening mod6 !
mod6: anyway, yeah, I'm looking forward to getting the website cleaned up and putting V up there with vpatches.
mod6: we're getting close.
mod6: you wanna see my script I'm workin on?
mod6: (this by no means is finished, but interested to see what you think about the direction i'm taking)
mod6: (this is only pasted for 1 week as it certainly isn't complete): http://dpaste.com/28ZBQRF.txt
asciilifeform: i think i see the point here
mod6: so what I'm hoping to accomplish here is to alter the .mk files that accompany buildroot, so they pull the 3rd party reqs directly from the foundation site instead of wherever they currently point to.
asciilifeform: but can't escape the feeling that the dependency orchestra is too broad for a buildroot linux to be meaningfully v-tight
asciilifeform: (srsly, 'expat' ?)
mod6: ikr
mod6: im not sure this is the best way to handle this
mod6: i think it'll work though. my rotor+v054 script would run this script after extracting the buildroot package
asciilifeform: it will work, yes. just like my original wild buildroot worked.
asciilifeform: that isn't the issue.
mod6: i have one more bridge to cross yet, and I havent gotten that far yet; having a script of my own somehow check the sigs & hashes after the file xfrs are complete.
mod6: i do see what you're saying in a sense I think.
mod6: it's a tough pill to swallow to sign & rely on such garbage
mod6: many wheels to reinvent.
mod6: in the short term, is there a way to maybe do this better that I'm missing?
asciilifeform: throwing out the userland entirely will simplify the build considerably.
asciilifeform: (bitcoind as kernel module)
asciilifeform: the thing is, imho classical bitcoind is a rickety life support affair regardless of how we cut it.
mod6: im with you there.
asciilifeform: and for so long as it is in use, it will be dragging along atrocious shitgnomicities.
mod6: im of the persuasion that bitcoin should get it's own OS, eventually, when it can be built.
asciilifeform: imho if the thing at the core is still the ridiculous cpp turd (complete with openssl, bdb) then the effort is wasted.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 85085 @ 0.00048066 = 40.897 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54150 @ 0.00047794 = 25.8805 BTC [-] {5}
mod6: yeah getting rid of openssl is going to be, an adventure. not only does the crypto need to be implemented, a perfect backward compatibility needs to be maintained.
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ze commentz << honestly... a bunch of derps burned 2mn and want "to recoup their investment" aka http://trilema.com/2009/capitalism-si-naivitate/#selection-85.81-85.106
assbot: Capitalism si naivitate. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1mdPa95 )
mircea_popescu: then they DIDN'T want to go in pro-rata on the new round.
mircea_popescu: the us has really decayed lots and lots.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron> aaaaand the trilema twatter account is suspended <<< now i gotta go in the logs, see what all that does.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron so this entire MONTH trilema got exactly 3 clicks from twitter.
mircea_popescu: and they were all spambots.
mircea_popescu: i have nfi what they imagine they're doing, but more power to them and their clown car.
danielpbarron: i'm a little surprised i didn't get suspended as well, for retwatting the offending .. uh..
mircea_popescu: mod6 a perfect backward compatibility <<< every month less perfect.
mircea_popescu: the more inclined to break the protocol the power rangers become, the less important it is to actually maintain all the warts.
mircea_popescu: so in a sense they're actually working for us, unintentionally, in their idiocy.
mircea_popescu: pre hearn&fail-bip, the standard was pretty high. by now it's a lot easier to argue "hey, at least it's not as bad as THAT dumb shit"
mircea_popescu: so they're earning us slack. not that it HAS to be used, obv.
mod6: true. this is a good point.
mod6: it'll just need some very deep examination and testing one way or another.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43284 @ 0.00047964 = 20.7607 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: l0l, the andreas a. crud take 2x.
ben_vulpes: mother
ben_vulpes: fucking
ben_vulpes: FLEANODE
ben_vulpes: evening, gents.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes !
asciilifeform: howz life in the ipnohe brigades.
ben_vulpes: oh, lulzy
ben_vulpes: this week i'm actually preferring to hire "jr" people with broad programming experience (and varied backgrounds) for pressing into the ipnohe and andorp squads, theory being that broad experience with other humans and technologies trumps cheap labor and misguided enthusiasm
asciilifeform: wai wut, it's a week-by-week turnover?
asciilifeform: as in, stalingrad ?!
ben_vulpes: that part's supposed to be entertaining
ben_vulpes: not srs
ben_vulpes: did midnightmagic ever show up to disavow mircea_popescu?
assbot: BitcoinStats ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYSwBF )
asciilifeform: not today
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=08-12-2015#1339102 << listen when you can speak cogently about "the bayesian method" and articulate how "millions upon millions" [of lines of code] betrays your complete lack of understanding on the topic of control systems we can revisit this
assbot: Logged on 08-12-2015 21:49:32; pete_dushenski: ;;later tell ben_vulpes this comment was at least half-ways pointed in your general direction http://www.contravex.com/2015/12/07/desperately-trying-to-put-the-auto-back-into-automobile-in-a-flaccid-attempt-to-put-the-relevance-back-into-motoring/#comment-37004
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you never read the shaw lolz?
ben_vulpes: ;;google rails is a ghetto
gribble: ZSFA -- Rails Is A Ghetto (2007-12-31) - cat -v harmful stuff - Cat-v.org: <http://harmful.cat-v.org/software/ruby/rails/is-a-ghetto>; Where can I find Zed Shaw's original "Rails Is A Ghetto" essay ...: <https://www.quora.com/Where-can-I-find-Zed-Shaws-original-Rails-Is-A-Ghetto-essay>; Zed Shaw - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zed_Shaw>
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: nein
asciilifeform: it is far from my home planet.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hey boss, i keep meaning to ask you about the details of dataflow programming (vis a vis turning ascii files into computation), but i'm having trouble booking the like 3 hours of sit-down time it'd take to respond in a timely fashion
asciilifeform: details?
ben_vulpes: so it's arbitrarily parallelizable, right?
ben_vulpes: okay, do function definitions make sense in this paradigm?
asciilifeform: sorta how you can flush your own toilet, and the outcome does not depend on the result of me flushing mine
ben_vulpes: so they'd have to be "pure" (to borrow a fp-ism) in order to serve the arbitrary parallelism definition?
asciilifeform: the distinction b/w/ 'pure' and 'impure' fp presumes a von neumann processor
asciilifeform: is my pushing a pencil on my desk, containing 11 pencils, 'pure' ?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell Naphex yes yes but what about all of the much more difficult questions re statements and income and equity and depreciation and whatnot
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: ^^ unrelated
ben_vulpes: okay asciilifeform another strike at the fortress of incomprehensibility then
ben_vulpes: so i take the little proggy i've written--would i need to do anything special to it in order to take advantage of more m^2 of compute fabric?
asciilifeform: depends?
ben_vulpes: on what?
asciilifeform: what you wrote ?
ben_vulpes: so there must be constraints on the programmering style in order for an arbitrary program to be arbitrarily parallelizable
ben_vulpes: this is probably horrendously wrong, but i currently imagine some 'main' program entrypoint with subsections that indicate their parallelizability. is this entirely wrong or correctably wrong?
ben_vulpes: (and yes i understand why you don't want to talk to anyone polluted by vn about this thing)
asciilifeform: sane language is not a set of 'meat' with annotations re: compiler hints, but one homogeneous thing.
asciilifeform: and yes, there is a lengthy unlearning required to grasp this.
ben_vulpes: von neumann.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32779 @ 0.00047747 = 15.651 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: > one homogenous thing << in the same way that the cl compiler's available to user code? or some level higher?
ben_vulpes would unlearn anything to be free of the shitstack
ben_vulpes: that said, clojure's a good example of how even a shitty lisp is strong enough to wrap its tentacles around more or less the whole webshitstack and deliver a single cognitive environment for writing 'software' that stretches from the server to the browser
ben_vulpes: it's not great but hey you're working in the browser
mod6: hi ben_vulpes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00047554 = 11.7458 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: mod6: ack
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