asciilifeform: 'CIA-Wikipedia ("Every dumbf-ck in the world believes Wikipedia") - artificially pumped by CIA Google to top of search results, a 'Trojan horse' for inserting CIA lies and rubbish - see the EU police report on Wikipedia fundraising fraud...'
asciilifeform: this simply means the bicolor is on
asciilifeform: but that normally doesn't get you past the kernel jump-in
asciilifeform: (not as simple as merely disabling it in config, 'buildroot' is very particular re: how it reads layers of configs)
asciilifeform: a 'rembrandt' here is simply an analogue bitcoin.
asciilifeform: (and no, it is not available in any format other than pdf, nor is it remotely readable if put through garbage compactor and turned into text, fucking deal with it)
asciilifeform: not sure if the test was ever attempted in a 'serious' wine country
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i guess some folks don't own vacuum pumps ?
ascii_field can probably implement it in less time than building linux 3.18 took
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i get this. but we're dealing with a fundamental case of amplification attack.
ascii_field: 'We as a company own all of the machines. There is no outstanding balance and we've already had the tech come out to unlock them. Due to some business changes, we want to move the machines around the shop floor to reconfigure our machining cell however as we've done more research, we've found that there is a small board in the electrical panel of the machine that houses a gyroscope so that if the machine is moved/tilted,
ascii_field: 'my targeting computer was programmed not to fire at usg'
ascii_field: but simply 'we can move these at zero cost to us and ours if we want to, so don't bother shooting at them'
ascii_field: nubbins`: i proposed a very simple one
ascii_field: even if nothing else, complicates reading packet dumps
ascii_field: this is a very bad assumption
ascii_field: implies that these can be told apart from others
ascii_field: and where mircea_popescu wakes up and says 'now the machine is 1000x more complex, needs to know what wot is'
ascii_field: or emplacing own turd there
ascii_field: likewise physical delivery is expensive. (witness kakobrekla's attempt to buy so much as one pogo and still have it 'feel disposable')
ascii_field: (the vendor is selling a loss-leader, hoping to attract chumps to its 5/mo. 'cloud' crapolade)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the implication is that various internals are accessible, and flow can be stopped
asciilifeform: (i for one will happily jump with the parachute i packed for self. but my carcass isn't worth especially much)
asciilifeform: that is, one which (or, even better, its subcomponents) can be ran in lockstep with another nominally-equivalent program
asciilifeform: that is, the same crosscompiler it builds, that builds kernel etc. will also build bitcoind and its deps
asciilifeform: 'buildroot' is this mega-automaton for building cross-compiled os for routers and the like
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall how it has a gigantic seedlist consisting of mostly corpses, compiled in ?
asciilifeform: it is also of great importance to blink the correct colour led!
asciilifeform: the one ingredient that is still needed, that i have not attempted at all, is the formatter
asciilifeform: this is amply enough to work from
asciilifeform: ... and promptly panics
asciilifeform: (the extra mass in the config was actually from building every possible module. which went into the rootfs and had no impact on the kernel proper)
asciilifeform: must use cross-compiler
asciilifeform: http://dpaste.com/2MSHFN2.txt << buildroot config for completeness
asciilifeform: hangs on jump into kernel.
asciilifeform: building for arm922t which, as far as i can tell, marvell is compatible with.
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: specified toolchain for possible cross-compilation
asciilifeform: now trying to find which of the 5 supported marvells is actually compatible with kirkwood
asciilifeform: 'This might be unduly harsh, but if Atomwise can do what they say, why are they on Ycombinator? Pull up to a big pharma, ask for some minimally proprietary data, and let the computers go to work. It'd be like printing winning lottery tickets.'
asciilifeform: 'Withstanding zero-day attacks in userspace' << by definition impossible
asciilifeform: hint to others: NEVER 'make clean' on a working buildroot cross-compilation tree
asciilifeform: lol, CONFIG_SERIAL_MPSC_CONSOLE
asciilifeform: <jurov> these scientists need to be funded, and somehow despite mpex, this isn't happening << jurov has it, unfortunately. we are in the jungle still.
ascii_field: nubbins`: them's chumps paying
ascii_field: doesn't cost any less than a normal computer
ascii_field: judging only by the photo, the electronic components are in
ascii_field: 'It is my aim to set a new high-water mark for transparency in parameter generation. To that end, all of these values are nothing-up-my-sleeve numbers which I generated by singing the Bohemian Rhapsody backward with my dog barking in the background, digitizing the audio as an MP3 at a bitrate of 192kbit/s, and taking every 17th byte of the result. Their integrity can easily be verified by repeating this procedure.'
ascii_field: 'Shows how this backdoor can completely pervert the security guarantees provided by the TLS protocol... even the presence of a single CA certificate with a secretly embedded backdoor in the certificate store would render the entire TLS security fictional...'
ascii_field: 'Provides a working implementation of a backdoor embedded into the RSA modulus of a Certification Authority public-key certificate and the code for a minimalistic client and server communicating over a TLS channel:'
ascii_field: used as part of an implementation of IPSec over IPv6 in a resource constrained IP stack. In such a case, under normal operation the library will perform properly, interoperating with other IPSec aes-ctr hosts. But when it is triggered by a forged ICMPv6 packet it will lead to a full plaintext reveal. Another forged ICMP packet will restore the conforming behavior so that normal packet retries will mask the improper
ascii_field: 'The library implements the AES block cipher in CTR mode and for the most part behaves as it is described in almost all circumstances it would normally be used in. Notably it passes all the FIPS and RFC test vectors for AES encoding and can interoperate with openssl. The library can be used in most any application where AES is needed and will behave appropriately. The library becomes exploitable specifically when it gets
ascii_field: even something as simple as dram is not, in practice, usable without the 'hard' blocks
ascii_field: mats: the way the story normally ends is that the reversed fpga becomes quasi-usable nearly the same time it goes out of print and replaced with incompatible version...
ascii_field: nubbins`: very different from the populist chumpatron, though
ascii_field: 'Recent revelations show that the situation has gotten so bad that today there are only approximately 3000 apps profitable enough to support a median income of $50k for their developer. It is also important to note that not all apps are built by one developer, many work as a team. So it follows that there are many fewer than 3000 developers sustainably doing independent development.'
ascii_field: mats: your phrase 'avoid all crypto standards' is very much -not- the inevitable implication of dismissing usg crapolade
asciilifeform: i'll emphasize that it isn't a 'won't work in the cold' so much as 'entropy relying on sram effects degrades ungracefully'
asciilifeform: and then i will question the loyalty and competence of the torturer.
asciilifeform: mats: let's put another example. if you are found holding a smoking pistol, with $famouspolitican in a bloody heap on the floor where he was not long ago giving a speech - do you suppose the judge would believe that you drew the pistol and pulled the trigger by accident, while reaching for another object in your pocket ?
asciilifeform: it has to do with the impossibility of knowing intent
asciilifeform: once you amputate your vestigial 'this can't be true' organ, you are left with only your understanding of the physical world to go on
asciilifeform: mats: see the old thread re: malice and incompetence
asciilifeform: from anywhere in the usg empire.
asciilifeform: in the sense that if you kidnapped a generic american undergrad, chained him in a cellar, and didn't let him out until he reads the snowden dumps and craps out a deck of 'plausible' canadian slides, the result is likely to be something like the above.
asciilifeform: (i don't knowingly participate in chumpatrons and hence haven't and won't be buying fiat stocks at 10-20bux/trade)
asciilifeform: y or implicitly, that one should side with the big man against the little man. Most of what is now written about foreign policy is simply an embroidery on this theme...'
asciilifeform: 'No wonder foreign husbands often complain about Japanese women suddenly transforming from sweet and cute girlfriends into shufu professional housewives emotionally and physically distant from their husbands and fully devoted to their children and home.' << dependopotamus (TM) !
asciilifeform: the 'correct' solution is probably ir lamp.
asciilifeform: (appears in one of the photos linked earlier, displaying supply voltage and current consumption of rng)
asciilifeform: Adlai: anyway, what i was saying was that it was once not uncommon for components to be measured before placement. but guess what, in modern world this is 'unnecessary' we're told.
asciilifeform: (for those innocent of the thing - it was simply a box with battery, and tipped with a small carboniferous fork. stick the fork on solder ball, it melts...)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: but -looks- impressive, yes
asciilifeform: approx. 'i simply cummed. redhat's simply something'
asciilifeform: just wondered why computing gets the treatment.
ascii_modem: brb buying compressor hose (srsly)
ascii_modem: waveform composited onto signal
ascii_modem: somehow a "commercial" product became MANDATORY. << ample precedent, e.g., 'macrovision'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i formed this impression because i do not know the actual truth of the extent of collaboration between gavin et al and satoshi pre-phoundation
ascii_field: resistant to solvents, oils, and temp up to 400C
ascii_field: 'umpa, dumpa, dupaty-didient, thou shalt not ask about the Secret Ingredient!'
ascii_field: 'the goal or problem is not stinking of shit, without having to use a toilet, without having to wear diapers, just plain and simple not stinking of shit'
ascii_field: Adlai: diddling a single routine to always return false << only if the implementers were morons
ascii_field: danielpbarron: well the illegal image opens fine in GIMP << only half the story. before long, it won't print on printer, or even display on display.
ascii_field: Adlai: http://nosuchlabs.com/prod << the maths engine is actually using boring old gmp -- same as gpg's
asciilifeform: of them have explained exactly how it works or what information is conveyed. No law requires printer companies to help track printer users this way, and no law prevents them from stopping this practice or giving customers a solution to avoid being tracked.'
asciilifeform: (re: 'images that fool computer vision')
asciilifeform: are the legal 'hempseeds' found in hippy foods somehow inactivated ?
asciilifeform: hence you can use pre-tempered whatevers (car axles, etc.) and go straight to $weaponpart
asciilifeform: electrolysis doesn't give a flying fuck about temper
asciilifeform: and good post-metalwork process (temper)
asciilifeform: those - imported.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 100% same as afghan campaign '03-present
asciilifeform: it is worth asking what usg would be trying to accomplish with fedcoin
asciilifeform: the people I would trust to keep my money for me are...well..not likeable at all << obligatory: my original review of MPEx.
asciilifeform: 'In fact, I rather suspect that GPG will fade away as other implementations gain currency. It's old, crusty, built from barely readable source code, license terms inhibited, and maintained by people with a pathologically difficult attitude toward various important software development philosophy (e.g. API and UI design)' << mega-l0l. thing is, in a way the fool is right, it 'faded away' the same way common lisp did. which is t
asciilifeform: other than, arguably, satoshi, which is WHY his disappearance is so important << what would a picture with a living satoshi look like ?
ascii_modem: import live and shoot stateside, skin.
asciilifeform: is it any wonder, given this picture, that homo redditicus wishes to mangle hierarchy, even if it nukes civilization? it seems as logical as wishing to stab the guards, given the chance, when you're imprisoned in auschwitz.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: zuse's computer
asciilifeform: wasn't trying to describe a management method, but simply banal observation that kepler's day job (forget mine) is to be counted on the -sad- part of the ledger
asciilifeform: this is why trying to show more objective example
asciilifeform: so they didn't really need computer.
asciilifeform: guess herr zuse didn't know how to both invent first computer -and- self-support
asciilifeform: but going back in archives, i am perpetually astonished at what was accomplished by men who never saw not only computer but plastic bag.
asciilifeform: didn't say computer was entirely useless
asciilifeform: the occasional impalement also helps
asciilifeform: the 'day job' thing is more complicated than looks on the surface. a medieval serf, for instance, served for a much smaller fraction of his waking time than i or ben_vulpes do
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is not accidental. folks who travel from usa to english-speaking (or most western eu in general) aren't actually leaving the empire
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: what would be an example of an active investment ?
asciilifeform: say what you like about library of alexandria, but usenet '85-'2000 was home to virtually all of the technically competent folks who exist today.
asciilifeform: i kinda wish i could think myself into the mindset of 'immortal olympian' that way
asciilifeform: for instance, go find peter kogge's 'symbolic computers' on warez.
asciilifeform: not idiot 'winamp playlists' of titles
asciilifeform: PeterL: browsing for me implies instant access to full text
asciilifeform: this is easy with print, difficult with www, but absolutely impossible with www that someone else is cranking for you
asciilifeform: trinque: amd is not 'angelic', it is simply behind the usg schedule because, elementary, smaller market share
asciilifeform: find a real computer
asciilifeform: nubbins`: you might actually have more luck cross-compiling on that box
asciilifeform: 'Apple does not support statically linked binaries on Mac OS X. A statically linked binary assumes binary compatibility at the kernel system call interface, and we do not make any guarantees on that front. Rather, we strive to ensure binary compatibility in each dynamically linked system library and framework.'
asciilifeform: re: bios: every portable computer i've opened in the past decade or so had the system bios stored in an eight-legged spi eeprom. one of the legs is a write-enable. in principle, not so hard to desolder & ground it.
asciilifeform: does this necessarily imply a prediction ?
asciilifeform: or anybody who ever jumped in the middle of x86 instruction
asciilifeform: complicated mechanical clocks, all quite alike, but large enough to admit some sand
asciilifeform: incidentally, my (i don't exclusively claim it..) myelin impedance matching hypothesis - is testable.
asciilifeform: very simple to have an 'off day' for strength
asciilifeform: nubbins` owns the complete r&w 'principia' ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: we have a hidden and unjustified jump here
asciilifeform: ourts and judges to pass laws to forbid everyone around you from killing, lying, enslaving or imprisoning people, and stealing, but make it all legal for you under different names. Congratulations, you have just founded a country,also known as a state! Go to war with other states, to get rid of surplus wealth and attempt to grab more land to tax more people, when you find an opportunity that they are weaker than you. Secret
asciilifeform: b: 'Build your own, so you too can become a state. Then build a prison to house it, and start capturing people, accusing them of shit, and holding them for ransom. Print lots of worthless IOUs and start paying for stuff with them, and extorting money from your neighbors to pay you with your own IOUs every year a tax on their land, or you will imprison and guilotine them. Use your growing wealth to stockpile more and more we
asciilifeform: they could easily go there every day, and simply fail to come out
asciilifeform: suppose a man were disassembled into components, sorted by atomic mass. then, next day, reassembled. answer - a) this cannot be done for Reasons b) he died and was replaced with soul-less copy c) he simply got paused and then resumed, will wonder where the day went but nothing else d) none of the above ?
asciilifeform: or simply picture a card with btc privkey
asciilifeform then remembered that the legend featured american 'thompson' brought on lend-lease
asciilifeform: well there, certainly. but i'd argue that usg implicitly takes ownership of the wild things here
asciilifeform: (typically shaman says that no such thing as the copy could even be attempted, because the gods will drop a piano on your head.)
ascii_field: Shrugged, A New Kind of Science, and then other people chimed in with suggestions for Gray's Anatomy, The Chicago Manual of Style, and the 25-year anniversary edition of Gödel, Escher, Bach, all of them arguing that if I wanted the most important book, I would want their suggestions. I scremed, "Enough!", and space just as suddenly warped back to the bookstore and the very helpful young Muslim woman behind the counter
ascii_field: ' I went to my local bookstore the other day. I wanted to give a beautifully bound Bible to a Christian friend of mine. Suddenly, I felt space around me warp and I was in USENET space. People from comp.lang.scheme offered me a beutifully bound Torah. People from comp.lang.dylan offered me a beautifully bound Koran. People from elsewhere on the Net offered me beautifully bound copies of The Lord of the Rings, Atlas
ascii_field: in the sense that a typical artisan binder would probably react to my laser suggestion the same way my musical friends react to the suggestion of connecting my air compressor to the tuba
ascii_field: !s malice incompetence
ascii_field: lol i live in that campus.
ascii_field recalls learning with alarm as a little boy that there was ever such a thing as a reichsmark. 'couldn't hitler simply order shit done?'
ascii_field: 'you'n me will burn in this here tank, but red army triumphs' (tm) /
ascii_field: but yes, complicated (TM)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: speaking from the chumpatronic jail here, just about any schmuck can get at least 5 digits of loansharkamatic without breaking a sweat
ascii_field: jurov: normally you can tell who are the 'basic' shills by noting their assumptions (of their marks being dumb as shit) - see, e.g., mr moarspam: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=10-02-2015#1014388
ascii_field: https://www.alchemistowl.org/pocorgtfo/pocorgtfo02.pdf << p. 3 article, 'on importance of tools' << pure gold
ascii_field as an amateur scholar of crackpottery and malignant pseudoscience, owns the complete works of mr lysenko
asciilifeform: in every modern evil empire
asciilifeform: virtually all computer users got vastly more actual 'bang for buck' in 1992 than today
asciilifeform: the folks who are supposed to be buying new computer on microshit's say-so are short a benjie or two for rent this month
asciilifeform: but the blow their fat disposable income on resulting new computer
asciilifeform: which is to say, it is not enough to con chumps, they must also have fat to be rendered for
asciilifeform: intel surrendered to chumpification of the most abject kind, sells severely underclocked dies which temporarily 'turbo' up
asciilifeform: ^ if industrial collapse carries on, it will be difficult to imagine a computer of any description being constructed in 2025 other than out of 'junkyard wars' pieces
asciilifeform: and if you're building computers in the tens or hundreds rather than quajizillions quantities there is no reason not to use germanium, gallium arsenide, doped diamond, etc. chemistries
asciilifeform: thiel (and possibly friends) seed it. the chumpatronium sustains.
asciilifeform: works great to the nearest transformer booth (where you need an active amp)
asciilifeform: his forum housed the largest collection of people who showed symptoms of having a brain which i ever encountered prior to #b-a
asciilifeform: 'phoom' is, in his cosmology, the conflagration resulting from a 'non-friendly' (read: not designed under mr y's tutelage) thinking machine which sets to work improving and crafting copies of self
asciilifeform: decimation: never mind that not one could describe the first thing about building a computer which does not barf regularly
asciilifeform: -zero- actual work on lickliderian or engelbartian 'intelligence amplification' concept from these bozos
asciilifeform: can make a computer out of near-anything
asciilifeform: computer of meat
asciilifeform: one might even say: bureaucracy was the first computer
asciilifeform: simply to be loudly found out and distract from above.
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: in the old thread, that is; it was about a hypothetical clean re-implementation of the whole thing
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: the changes being contemplated involve losing 100% of the original
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: if the usg charlatans want to create a fork with incompatible tx validation rules, they are welcome to.
asciilifeform: Luke-Jr: can you give an example of a 'wedge' which could be pounded in to create this fork ?
asciilifeform: yes but why 'leveldb.' say i'd like to use a db which runs on a martian trinary computer and writes bits to miniature dead babies turned in one of two directions
ascii_field: from where this presumption ?
ascii_field: outrageous things such as lowering a general into pederasty, for example
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: slightly misunderstanding example. the ru tanks emboldened the rebels, hastening their deaths
ascii_field: why so certain that this is an impossible or even unlikely scenario ?
asciilifeform: mats: if you desperately need this, the popular hobbyist 'arm' dev board 'beaglebone' features a usb slave controller and comes with code example. wire up on the the gpio pins to a toggle switch and you have your drive.
asciilifeform: ment in anyone's life is the order in which they experience things, seems not even to be underststandable -- they somehow believe that the order they run into them is universalizable and important, that first impressions really tell you everything you need to know about something. I have seen people who have the mental capacity only for the transition from "have not experienced" to "have experienced", and who are unable to ma
asciilifeform: for compact car.
asciilifeform: implication is, sorta, turning down the poverty thermostat on somebody
asciilifeform: убеднение != impoverishment
asciilifeform: 'The authors of a new report from the Boston Foundation, a philanthropic organization that funds local nonprofits, prefer the phrase "millennial villages," dorm-like developments that maximize space by combining smaller living spaces with lots of common areas. Specifically, the report suggests building 10,000 units that make up for cramped living quarters by including shared lounges, health clubs, and shared areas for study, m
asciilifeform: '"chumpatron X debt continues to drag on the young generation, limiting their ability to be milked in chumpatron Y," the analysts said.'
asciilifeform: what's a $300 book compared to the $100k tuition.
asciilifeform: chumper has to register with publisher to do the exercises, yes
asciilifeform: the basic 'zoological' observation here is that there is no such thing as a chumpatron of this size which stays 'single-layered' indefinitely. at a certain point, smaller fleas show up to go on the backs of the fleas, and so ad infinitum
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cared because 'if you don't know precisely who at the table is the chump...'
asciilifeform: mike_c: the tale with the board house was simply a case of 'wunderwaffen' that did not fire to spec
asciilifeform: mike_c: but i'm still empty-handed for C-III
asciilifeform: mats: incidentally, precise packings are not achievable without gcc pragma (or your compiler's equivalent)
asciilifeform: ma and they have taken swift and decisive action in this matter. At their request, the University has committed to provide educational training on diversity and respect for the entire fraternity. The University of Maryland remains committed to our core values of respect for human dignity, diversity, and inclusiveness. We are deeply saddened by the impact this email is having on our community.'
asciilifeform: 'On Tuesday, March 10, 2015, the University of Maryland became aware of an email dated January 2014, 15 months ago. The vulgar language in the email expresses views that are reprehensible to our campus community. We immediately met with the individual involved and a University investigation is currently underway, led by the Office of Civil Rights and Sexual Misconduct. We are in contact with the University chapter of Kappa Sig
asciilifeform: 'sympathy', 'support', esp. of the usg-sponsored very tangible/financial variety is on tap, no questions asked. imagine if insurance worked this way - how many houses would still remain standing ?
asciilifeform: or more pertinent example, the fabricated mega-gang-rapes of recent history
asciilifeform: (5 or so yrs ago, there was 'mass indignation', hastily-cooked mea culpas from virtually all organizations in any way connected with the campus, demonstrations 'of support' for 'the victims' - after a shred of rope was allegedly found hanging on a tree branch.)
asciilifeform picking self up from floor after http://www.umdrightnow.umd.edu/news/important-statement-president-wallace-loh
asciilifeform: 'What is surprising however is that this still works even with the Erase data after 10 attempts configuration setting enabled. Our initial analysis indicates that the IP Box is able to bypass this restriction by connecting directly to the iPhones power source and aggressively cutting the power after each failed PIN attempt, but before the attempt has been synchronized to flash memory.' << mega-l0l!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: sounds like forged headers (why would the actual 'bitstamp' spam ? wtf is the point)
asciilifeform: decimation: damnably poor idea - easy 'optical tempest' intercept if anyone can see your body move
asciilifeform: decimation: the rf amp is the golden toilet
asciilifeform: '...no survival kit is complete without silver bullets...' -- radio
asciilifeform: same as nuke emp.
asciilifeform: i do a great bit of cross-compilation.
asciilifeform likes various gentoo-specific things like automagic cross-compiler toolchain builder
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: gentoo doesn't have systemd? << complicated. if you follow the install described in the Handbook, you will almost certainly end up with systemd
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: perhaps my (1980s) multimeter lies. or i'm simply retarded. or, or, or.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: somebody ought to sell these schmucks a simple protein assayer
asciilifeform: incidentally, had i done anything other than what i did - ordering sample rng first - would likely have noticed nothing.
asciilifeform: from macrofab: 'We received your boards today, we expect to have review complete and the boards working as expected tomorrow, I will keep you posted!'
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually there are tremendously posh residences, complete with tall walls, here - ones which would not look entirely out of place in brunei
ascii_field: just confessing that it isn't clear to me that such a thing is impossible or even improbable
asciilifeform: imes they don't even bother trying to compile it, much less test it. I wish I was making this up; I wish more that I had made these people go away a long time ago.'
asciilifeform: 'We honestly had (and have) developers who think that changing all the line-ending whitespace was really important. Or that whether there are some "legacy" K&R-style prototypes actually matters. These people go around committing non-functional changes, which makes source management (and specifically patching and merging) really painful, and which, unfortunately, also often breaks things accidentally. What's worse is that somet
asciilifeform: iirc it was short & simple, something like 'yeah i'm an anarchist lawyer. you don't have to like disease to be a doctor, either'
asciilifeform: attempts - yes. but ticket wasn't punched yet.
asciilifeform: rties to contribute back most of their changes--and so what we really got in both cases was a long list of derived but very different, and often incompatible, systems.'
asciilifeform: if he does this, it is to rope in chumpz for his phoundation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in the parlance of folks who actually program computers on occasion - 'blocks of code are a first-class object' is the claim. which is true for all lisp-family
asciilifeform: (no one who actually programs in any lisplike thing whatsoever, will ever write it out that way - the fingers simply won't do it)
asciilifeform: obligatory naggumism: ''It is like going to a library full of books that took 50 man-years to produce each, inventing a way to cut down the costs to a few man-months per book by copying and randomly improving on other books, and then wondering why nobody thinks your library full of these cheaper books is an inspiration to future authors.''
asciilifeform: ^ example
asciilifeform: (did i mention his 'human-equivalent ai' was to be written in it? this is, of course, before he pronounced fatwa on anyone contemplating such a thing)
asciilifeform: mr y had... a programming language! cooked up in his days of being a self-important kid with just a few dozen cult followers
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: impersonated... << the real one will presumably say something. ergo impostor, if impostor, is doing precisely what real one wishes.
ascii_field: trinque: see old book, 'the human zoo', for a more complete version of this hypothesis
ascii_field: so instead of actually racing, folks start to show off their strength by competing who can walk normally for the longest time with a knapsack full of crap
ascii_field: as in, picture a town with no decent place to have a footrace (too many hills? swamp? use imagination)
ascii_field: because "social equality" is more important than computer security or something << reminds, of course, of:
ascii_field: may I live to see all these valley fuckheads impoverished << optimist. i expect to have my skull used by them as ashtray, rather than vice-versa
ascii_field: mr o incidentally goes nowhere without ambulance, complete with blinkenlights
ascii_field: it is interesting to contemplate what 'cold war' would have looked like if the portable variant had never been built
asciilifeform: http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Capacitors/Niobium-Oxide-Capacitors/_/N-5g8eZscv7?Keyword=153997756&FS=True&Ntk=P_MarCom << and here they are.
asciilifeform: http://www.mouser.com/Passive-Components/Niobium-Oxide-Capacitors/_/N-5g8e?Keyword=128206846&FS=True&Ntk=P_MarCom << and they aren't entirely gone
asciilifeform: it's about 'imperio in imperium'
asciilifeform: 2) -and this is the important one- -- imho these need to eventually run from rom. actual rom. or at least eeprom with the write-enable leg snipped & grounded.
asciilifeform: 1) initialize a new disk without having to use a computer and involving the rotten pc ecosystem in any way
asciilifeform: (my original vision for the 'pogo' experiment wasn't simply to have a cheapo linux box that runs bitcoind, but to have a box where there are only a few MB of weight -total- -- thus making audit into something like a realistic possibility)
asciilifeform: scrip >> obligatory >> 'You load sixteen tons, what do you get? / Another day older and deeper in debt / Saint Peter don't you call me 'cause I can't go / I owe my soul to the company store.'
asciilifeform: described to them simple test of board. and they promised to try..
asciilifeform: for example of a trivial case where they cannot:
asciilifeform: incidentally, one more piece of data - i traced the empty board (included with the two populated units) - there were no mask defects
asciilifeform: the software-defined-radio thing going for past few yrs, for example
asciilifeform: i'm beginning to suspect that most of what's in the electronics stores now has these 'magical' components of essentially random values
asciilifeform: i have a very impoverished (no nand yet) netbsd on mine
asciilifeform: ('buildroot' builds cross compiler in the process of building, like netbsd does. it also builds minimal userlands with known contents suitable for read-only media. this is the part that is very tricky to achieve by hand)
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: i spent quite a bit of time simply trying to get a vanilla linux kernel made with 'buildroot' (built for this very purpose - routers) to boot on pogo.
asciilifeform: at least debian doesn't have all that systemd crap << do you have a fully-source-based cross-compilator build of debian? if not, it's worthless.
asciilifeform: meanwhile fiat world put 120megabux to organize liquishit pumped from one cistern to another 10,000 times.
asciilifeform: compulsively pulled on one, they all came out