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danielpbarron: "We bring uniqueness to files that aren't unique." << LOL
danielpbarron: the holy grail of all social media
trinque: ok, that's registered; nobody was responding in #freenode about a mask, so I'll try again later
trinque: doesn't really bother me to not have a mask, as the firewall on the thing doesn't have open ports
trinque: kakobrekla: please autovoice the deedbot- if you wouldn't mind
trinque: !up deedbot-
deedbot-: imported: FC66C0C5D98C42A1D4A98B6B42F9985AFAB953C4
trinque: k, back online
trinque goes afk for a bit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12471 @ 0.00027531 = 3.4334 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00027148 = 4.8731 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: thanks dpb, now even I undertand deedbot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51189 @ 0.0002676 = 13.6982 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: No Browser is Secure: All Major Browsers Hacked at 2015 Pwn2Own Contest | Hacked ... ( )
brendafdez: "No browser exploits were successfully demonstrated on Linux or other open-source operating systemsÇ"
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot deedbot-
assbot: deedbot- is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: trinque if you register it in wot, you can just voice it whenever you need manually
mircea_popescu: if it mostly stays on that should be ~never
mircea_popescu: brendafdez somehow the title is "no browser is secure" instead of "use linux. now. everything else is shit"
brendafdez: the press is just as shitty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8660 @ 0.00027082 = 2.3453 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9250 @ 0.00028284 = 2.6163 BTC [+]
danielpbarron: << some anon scamming the lgbt community?
assbot: Please help me survive my family by Kandosii Jetii - GoFundMe ... ( )
danielpbarron: My family is unaware that I don't share their religious views, unaware that I am bisexual and that I have friends of all ethnicities, religious views, genders and sexual orientations. If they knew any of this, my life would be at risk.
brendafdez: think of the children
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4450 @ 0.00026451 = 1.1771 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00026246 = 2.4671 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44000 @ 0.00026246 = 11.5482 BTC [-]
trinque: danielpbarron: so much lol
trinque: weakness has become a social competition of its own
mircea_popescu: if it's a scam it's notbad.jpg
mircea_popescu: exactly the sort of thing.
mircea_popescu: trinque well obviously. once the "to whoever according to his needs" becomes the payoff, needs become competitive.
mircea_popescu: just talk to some supposedly ignorant, unintelligent and unskilled ghetto dwellers on the topic of "getting prescriptions", see knowledge, cleverness and skill unmatched.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00026231 = 2.4657 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: but anyway, teh 100% anal child. "circumstances" forced it to not pay rent, and evil people forced him to make stories for attention about making stories for attention.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18859 @ 0.00026471 = 4.9922 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol managed to fail freshman year @ social studies.
mircea_popescu: ahaha great,
ben_vulpes: <decimation> I just thought of a brilliant anti-'area denial' (to usg term) weapon system. imagine a small turboprop uav ... that can drop its wings and turn into kerosene rocket << why bother with expensive turbomachinery? just use solid propellants...
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7493 @ 0.00026162 = 1.9603 BTC [-]
assbot: I created Bitproof because my mother thinks GPG is a supermarket. RT /qntra: Boost VC Embraces Child Founded Start Up
mircea_popescu: omfg... at first i thought it's someone mocking the guy.
mircea_popescu: then it turns out... self-parody.
mircea_popescu: event lulzizon!
ben_vulpes: complete with "my mom" jokes...
mircea_popescu: at least it's not, you know, "urmom"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00025242 = 3.7358 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: cazalla: LOLOLOLOL
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu:
brendafdez: There's no point reeducating it, because anyway...
assbot: Recto-Retriever Approved for Personal Use | GomerBlog ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
Vexual: oh hai
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17820 @ 0.00025242 = 4.4981 BTC [-]
Vexual: you can describe all kinda nal sex, but unless you really mean it, it dont mean shit\
mircea_popescu: brendafdez lol sec.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez care to expound ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8777 @ 0.00025305 = 2.221 BTC [+]
brendafdez: mircea_popescu expound? I could go on, but anyway...
assbot: IT Crowd Jen Interview - YouTube ... ( )
trinque: +mircea_popescu | trinque well obviously. once the "to whoever according to his needs" becomes the payoff, needs become competitive. << holy fuck, does this social phenomenon fill me with bile
trinque: people like to talk about how ignorant and backwards texas is
mircea_popescu: (but i am writing something for your, and others', bile)
trinque: (where I grew up)
trinque: it does not have this
trinque: only state where secession is still pleasant conversation
trinque: fuck I miss it.
trinque: < is drunk
trinque: !up Vexual
trinque: mircea_popescu: why? because it feels like admitting suicide is the only option, but being too cowardly to pull the trigger.
trinque: god damn it I was born to live.
mircea_popescu: nonsense.
trinque: nothing would fill me with greater joy than seeing a place like texas thrive while the rest of the insane federal system rots
trinque: let them pay for the padded walls to protect the fractured psyches of socialist paradise
trinque: ben_vulpes: I might move back
trinque: can't fucking stand the pacific nw
trinque: all my money's coming from tejas; there's a reason for that
trinque: the thing people don't understand when they look at people like ted cruz.. the goddamn texas legislature meets every two years
trinque: the whole govt's set up to get as little done as possible
trinque: as it fucking should be
assbot: Game theoretic game theory pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
Vexual: game is life
brendafdez: mircea_popescu I never mentioned it bc I felt very flattered that you added the password input field in the "Paid Content" notice at my request, but seems weird to me that after inputting password it takes you to the homepage. Expected behavior to me would be reloading the page, to see the article one intended to read in the first place. Otherwise one valuable credit goes to waste by loading an unwanted article ;)
mircea_popescu: ha! not a bad idea.
trinque: mircea_popescu: this is the thing; I will never accept death
trinque: "how is this possible!"
trinque: fuck this
trinque: it's as mine as it is some other fuck's
trinque: I really should head back to texas
trinque: I left because what, the weather's not as agreeable as I'd like?
trinque: that state loves capitalism above all else, and it's fucking good at it
trinque: the christians aside; hell danielpbarron has made me hate them less
mircea_popescu: funny how that works huh.
trinque: mircea_popescu: they at least have a semi-coherent set of symbols to reason with!
trinque: what the fuck is this in the pac NW
mircea_popescu: turns out you weren't actually hating "the christians", but merely grew up in a restrictive environment where you could never talk to one.
trinque: victimhood competition and women rule all
mircea_popescu: which is kinda how the thing works.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I think you're right about that.
trinque: I was raised christian, reacted against the restrictiveness of that
trinque: but having something that says "there is objective truth"
trinque: yeah I'll take that over this nonsense any day
trinque: it's a fucking starting point
Vexual: WHOTS NOT?
Vexual: acidengtal capas
trinque: lol
Vexual: who knew aregenrti had a luna park?
Vexual: did they meann kunar?
Vexual: *lunar?\
Vexual: prolly is as it was
Vexual: samba weed
Vexual: this is whhen fluffy pony should describe something useful about that other ocean, approachin brazil
Vexual: cat ne'r leaves his villiages
brendafdez: I was also raised Christian. Was horrible. Care to help? Even 1 cent you could spare helps me forget the terrible thing 14EVtRAFWTcDutoeHBLPjLewfMxGgPHcLv
brendafdez: Otherwise I might have to go back to church. Don't force it upon me by not donating.
Vexual: nah you can tell me, i you know
Vexual: i resepect the sisters costyume
scoopbot: New post on Trilema by Mircea Popescu:
Vexual: or not, named brenda, you mihght have samw werk
mircea_popescu: Vexual it's just what they call their madison square garden
Vexual: dta sa ny things?
Vexual: ney york city, i dont get ity
assbot: Gerald Davis aka DeathAndTaxes of BitSimple and Tangible Cryptography ... ( )
BingoBoingo: ^ Bitcoin Forum > Economy > Trading Discussion > Scam Accusations (Moderator: Cyrus) > Gerald Davis aka DeathAndTaxes of BitSimple and Tangible Cryptography
brendafdez: Vexual in a way it does refer to the moon. From derpipedia: Luna Park is a name shared by dozens of currently operating and defunct amusement parks that have opened on every continent except Antarctica since 1903.
brendafdez: History
brendafdez: The first park to use the name was Coney Island's second major amusement park, designed by Frederic Thompson and Elmer "Skip" Dundy and opened in 1903. They named the park after the spaceship in their Pan-American Exposition ride "A Trip to the Moon".[1][2]
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo heh, check that out.
mircea_popescu: you gonna qntra it ?
brendafdez: Apparently the father of one of the founders of this space operated one such "Luna Park" in the early 20th century. And they picked the same name for the stadium.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Need to source it better, but I'm going to pursue it.
mircea_popescu: if the guy wants to interview...
mircea_popescu: "I have no idea what he's been doing for a living in the years elapsed since then - if anything, then definitely not anything related to Bitcoin as a free entreprise. Maybe he's working a garden or teaching yoga. Maybe he's earning his living as a Bitcoin expert in the pay of those who do not wish to see Bitcoin free entreprise generally, and certainly not to the degree displayed by the free world. Whichever of these i
mircea_popescu: t is, he's free to enlighten the world - I am curious like anyone's curious. What he can't do is pretend like "it doesn't matter". It does."
mircea_popescu: i guess we got our answer huh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24579 @ 0.00025294 = 6.217 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14648 @ 0.000251 = 3.6766 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Also a different flavor of forum lol. Throwing money and hardware at a question learning can solve
assbot: Check Balance of Multiple Bitcoin Addresses ( Non py, Non Linux ) ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "The goal or problem is checking the balance of a ton of addresses without having to import them with keys without having to run a linux machine, without having to run anything in python, just plain and simple copy a list of addresses"
mircea_popescu: maybe he should put them in excel.
BingoBoingo: Seriously makes "home brew semi-supercomputer with 128 gig ECC ram and 10 quad core intel processors with haswell architecture." Yet wants to avoid anything linux, python, or otherwise not MS Excel
mircea_popescu: gmaxwell owns him downstream.
mircea_popescu: "Incidentally, the private key of the first address in your list is 5HpHagT65TZzG1PH3CSu63k8DbpvD8s5ip4nEB3kEtHwQJ6fmT7"
mircea_popescu: ahem ? and it still has a 22 cent balance ?
mircea_popescu: ah i was looking at the wrong list.
trinque: holy fuck are american women cunts
trinque: I said Lena Dunham should be burned alive and my erstwhile significant other had a meltdown
trinque: lol
mircea_popescu: who's that ?
trinque: hell I'm not saying I'm going to burn her alive
trinque: mircea_popescu: the writer for the HBO series "Girls"
mircea_popescu: what's that ?
trinque: think cunty new york "you don't understand my complex problems"
trinque: holy fuck I shall lay waste to everything in a five mile radius
mircea_popescu: like sex and the city with better horseface ?
trinque: yeah, more nudity and fucking, but even more american dysfunctional nerfed psychopathy
trinque: mircea_popescu: the xx beg to be shown the line, invoke the protection of the state in the same breath
trinque: fuck all this shit
mircea_popescu: lol why are you so angry anyway.
trinque: because the part of me that stopped identifying with this place in the first person singular hasn't had enough of a conversation with the second and third person
trinque: I have no fucking idea.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21033 @ 0.00025758 = 5.4177 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: wow check that out, 25s.
trinque: this is when ya go elsewhere, eh?
trinque: it is not happenstance that this cunt is attacking me the week before I increase my income by 20x
trinque: it makes no goddamn sense and all the sense in the world simultaneously
trinque: flatland logic
trinque switches wifi orifices
mircea_popescu: wouldja simmer down lol. who's attacking you
trinque: mircea_popescu: my business pays this unemployed cunt's rent.
mircea_popescu: is this like, a domestic dispute ?
trinque: insofar as anyone on this continent knows what domesticity is
mircea_popescu: lol people arguing over bad tv shows. cmon.
trinque: spent five years getting this thing profitable.
mircea_popescu: (really it's socal, but who's cuntin)
trinque: I have a CMS for making restaurant ordering web-apps
mircea_popescu: ok, so what's teh prblm ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: the dysfunction here is that male-female relationship here is taught as parternship
trinque: what a load of shit
mircea_popescu: it can be, why not.
trinque: this girl is utterly intimidated by the fact that I might actually be holding some real money in my hands
trinque: the idea of it in the future was fine
trinque: yet the cultural context causes her to barge into places she does not belong
mircea_popescu: haha, well, ranting angrily at her won't likely de-intimidate will it ?
trinque: problem is I've been with women that *adored* the rants
trinque: it's not as if I grabbed her and shook
mircea_popescu: anyway. if you don't like her, get rid of her. if you like her, talk to her. that'll either sort out whatever or else make you not like her.
trinque: I was talking about the future
mircea_popescu: foolproof plan.
trinque: let me just say the well is dry, and I'll stop bitching into the public record :D
mircea_popescu: not like it ever did anything anyway.
trinque: I get angry at our vulgarity
mircea_popescu: wait, wut ?!
trinque: this imaginary line I'm stuck within
mircea_popescu: !up winner1
winner1: hello, I won a bet, but I have not been paid.
winner1: The bet was resolved 5 days ago.
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 6 days ago ... ( )
mircea_popescu: you can link to bets directly, it's on the date in front of them
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 6 days ago ... ( )
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 month 6 days ago ... ( )
trinque: mircea_popescu: it's that the inmates collude with the prison guards. obviously I should just let that fact go
trinque: I don't tend to that naturally
mircea_popescu: winner1 thanks for pointing this out, it's suspicious as fuck. dunno what happened there yet but will look into it.
winner1: Yes, thank you for your quick response. I think I am the only one left. I bet 3 times in this bet. I got paid in two, But I did not get paid in this one.
mircea_popescu: it's either a txn that for mysterious reasons din't get to propagate or i can't imagine what else. anyway, i'm on it, give it a day.
winner1: Ok, thank you very much. I was getting nervous, since I saw everyone getting paid, but me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0002563 = 3.4857 BTC [+]
cazalla: trinque, pro tip for free - don't get her pregnant
trinque: cazalla: haven't, wont, and I'm out!
trinque passes out
punkman: so apparently in UK, airmail means two weeks by truck, and overnight express, means 6+ days.
brendafdez: punkman still better than AR...
assbot: Game theoretic game theory pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "1,3mn euros confiscated - guy couldn't show where he got it"
mircea_popescu: it's not just random picassos.
brendafdez: punkman I've had all kind of bad experiences with the post, from them stealing from a box of alfajores I was shipping abroad, to them refusing to send a letter (even though it was within weight and size limits) because "there was an object inside" (!!). Long delays is the success scenario.
mircea_popescu: or just cross the river and send from there.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12275 @ 0.0002563 = 3.1461 BTC [+]
punkman: brendafdez: I don't mind China Post taking 4 weeks, because they don't pretend otherwise
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo check it out, halep won indian wells
brendafdez: yes, but sometimes it's not worth it. Having to cross the river to send a letter with "an object inside" to a recepient in Argentina would be hilarious. That time they insisted letters were paper only. :D
punkman: ssbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13600 @ 0.0002563 = 3.4857 BTC [+] << all-time lows?
mircea_popescu: well not all time, but long time fo sho
brendafdez: punkman back in the days when we still didn't have to go through this amount of bureaucratic shit to receive shipments from abroad, and when I was doing it very often, the ones from the UK used to be the fastest. I'm surprised that your experience with the RM has been bad.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform btw, speaking of having problems, viktor Ianukovici jr died yest.
punkman: mircea_popescu: I don't see anything lower at btcalpha
mircea_popescu: after peklusenko's "suicide"...
mircea_popescu: punkman lemme see here.
mircea_popescu: May 22 04:06:33 <`MBot>[ MPEX ] [ TRADE ] [ S.MPOE ] [ 150 @ 0.00021419BTC = 0.032128 BTC ]
brendafdez: Oh, suicides are also common over there? :P
punkman: mircea_popescu: oic, btcalpha only goes back to Oct 2012
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27648 @ 0.00024773 = 6.8492 BTC [-]
punkman: guessing that's May 2012
mircea_popescu: basically 2012 level
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8094 @ 0.00024773 = 2.0051 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up drawingthesun
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell brendafdez it should redirect you properly now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15500 @ 0.00025755 = 3.992 BTC [+] {2}
davout: trinque: just wanted to see who'd actually read the deeds :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16979 @ 0.00025872 = 4.3928 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18498 @ 0.00026157 = 4.8385 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29100 @ 0.00026196 = 7.623 BTC [+] {2}
danielpbarron: height=293178 vs height=215096
mircea_popescu: almost there.
danielpbarron: 21G .bitcoin/ << unless takes up less space, this is a little over half way
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 348835 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1948 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 3 hours, 53 minutes, and 30 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43599364024.8 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.67455
mircea_popescu: hory shit you're right.
mircea_popescu: past 10% of blocks, 50% of total disk space.
Adlai: must be the hostile ddos bot
assbot: OpenPGP Message Encryption in JavaScript Demo ... ( )
Adlai: bitproof has an interface for 'signing' using the mouse
Adlai always found those somewhere between amusing and horrifying
mircea_popescu: no no this is smart : it encrypts to YOUR key.
mircea_popescu: as in, random derp w/o gpg installed wants to send mp stuff encrypted to mp's key, there's page on mp's site with javascript
punkman: the problem is how do you communicate to derps that they should use actual PGP for the "important" stuff
mircea_popescu: "Networking Software for Windows" you know ?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the communication starts with "gtfo off windoze"
Adlai only refers people to hanewin after explaining that they're just trusting some random site, instead of google or facebook
Adlai: but many people prefer trusting random strangers over known evils
mircea_popescu: technically, it's js, so they're not trusting the site.
punkman: if they have to mitm the javascript, sure that does raise the cost, but is it worth the false sense of security
Adlai: you could probably give this audience an identical security theater with js that sends plaintext
assbot: We <3 encryption ... ( )
mircea_popescu: punkman probably cheapest approach to diddle the js to encrypt to two keys. transparent enough to do, and then get somewhere else the msg.
mircea_popescu: still, more pgp flowing through the tubes is a net gain
mircea_popescu: anyway, i didn't know about it b4.
punkman: on that note, Enigmail has warning message that they will only support gpg2 soon
Adlai: a few darknet markets have used such a system too, which raises the question of why anyderpy used any of the markets that didn't
punkman: mircea_popescu: we've linked to gpg JS implementations so many times, I thought this use case was obvious
Adlai: !s
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mircea_popescu: punkman theoretically. i just had nfi anyone had actually done it.
Adlai: blargh
punkman: there's also a bunch of these
assbot: WordPress › wp2pgpmail « WordPress Plugins ... ( )
mircea_popescu: on that note, you can't say enigmail without nig mail.
Adlai: and "gpg" doesn't actually contain "privacy"
Adlai: but it makes gnu feel pretty good
mircea_popescu: "Do have any PGP key? Try our online PGP key generator"
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha okay.
mircea_popescu: listen, this wp stuff is braindamaged.
Adlai: it's ok, just download this chrome extension that validates our javascript!
punkman: myeah I've had too much of that WP spaghetti
punkman: no more
mircea_popescu: anyway, the wp stuff is more of what i thought we had discussed many times.
assbot: The Bryan Ferry Orchestra - Reason or Rhyme [1920s Jazz Version] (2012) - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6650 @ 0.00026084 = 1.7346 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5971 @ 0.00026084 = 1.5575 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6100 @ 0.00025653 = 1.5648 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: not the most scientific experiment as I didn't start them at the same place or same time, but it might be worth noting that the debug.log for the solid state drive pogo is smaller than the other one
danielpbarron: despite validating many more blocks per day
danielpbarron: the slower node spams its debug.log with lines that have nothing to do with validating a block
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15832 @ 0.00026072 = 4.1277 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Mars One Finalist Announces That It's All A Scam | IFLScience ... ( )
nubbins`: <trinque> increase my income by 20x, girl is utterly intimidated, <<< i have to ask, are you quitting your job in order to sell CMS software to restaurants?
nubbins`: please tell me that this isn't the case, and if it is, please tell me that you're not just upset at your girlfriend because she called you a moron for making this decision
nubbins`: BECAUSE.....
nubbins`: (cough)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13647 @ 0.00025502 = 3.4803 BTC [-]
Adlai back when he worked in a preseed startup used to joke that he got a 20x raise each week and a 25% monthly bonus
assbot: Patrick Brazeau's sexual assault trial starts today - Politics - CBC News ... ( )
nubbins`: Adlai "20x raise" generally makes people VERY suspicious as to the absolute value of your starting salary
Adlai: cf 'free advice is worth what you paid for it'
Adlai: some would maintain that it's infinitely more valuable than its price
nubbins`: or undefined more valuable
nubbins`: depending on how you math
brendafdez: "The gold market marched into the 21st century [...] me banks reluctant to participate"
assbot: Gold Market Launches Electronic Pricing Mechanism - WSJ ... ( )
nubbins`: (given that free advice can only cost $0, the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes the set from being a field, which means that division by zero is not required to be undefined, which means that your assertion that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially, true)
nubbins` coughs, blinks
nubbins`: i mean, uh.
nubbins`: i left that life behind me long ago and i don't know what just happened
Adlai: yeah bro
nubbins`: s/true/possible/
Adlai: what about f/ladvice
Adlai: cf f/loss
Adlai: cf gnu plus linux
Adlai: etc
Adlai babbles
assbot: ChangeTip Integrates With Online Comment Hosting Service Disqus ... ( )
nubbins`: tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose to name their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in the 90s.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5640 @ 0.00025956 = 1.4639 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14503 @ 0.00026072 = 3.7812 BTC [+]
bitstein: Is there a reason WoT ratings are not required to be GPG signed?
Adlai: sloth
thestringpuller: cause you are authenticating with a GPG interface
thestringpuller: albeit over IRC
Adlai: and then trusting that assbot/gribble is requiring the same of everybody else
thestringpuller: bitstein: I do think nanotube 's federated WoT requires GPG signature for ratings.
Adlai: and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby
bitstein: That just allows the server to know it is talking to who it thinks it is talking to, but it doesn't guarantee the server hasn't fabricated data.
thestringpuller: bitstein: yes we know there isn't a federated system yet :P
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 01:46:55; nanotube: <nanotube> hey, sorry for delay in reply, been busy, still busy. just to give you a quick preview, i'm thinking/working on implementing everything-signed, using a framework sort of like this:
bitstein: Adlai, thanks, was looking for that.
Pierre_Rochard: ^ looking forward to that
bitstein: Sweet, I look forward to that.
thestringpuller: its up to kako if he wants to support it with asswot
thestringpuller: if not you'll have to just access asswot-db through irc
nubbins`: <+Adlai> and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby <<< vs trusting that their pgp implementation doesn't cache their passphrase 8)
Adlai: vs trusting that their fourthhand lemon laptop didn't get interceptiddled in the mail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19650 @ 0.00025502 = 5.0111 BTC [-]
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: no, that doesn't happen anymore since cisco started drop-shipping to abandoned houses
nubbins`: because the NSA sort room at the mail facility is scanning the send address instead of the return address, or something.
thestringpuller: its up to kako if he wants to support it with asswot
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6072 @ 0.00025502 = 1.5485 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: nubbins`: doesn't cache their passphrase << i change my passphrase every time I use my key. /tinfoil hat
assbot: Kicked to the Curb | KUNSTLER ... ( )
nubbins`: thestringpuller i know, the keylogger sees all
nubbins`: i mean.
nubbins`: orly?
funkenstein_: "The gold market marched into the 21st century Friday with the launch of a new electronic platform designed to make the daily market price benchmark less vulnerable to manipulation."
funkenstein_: that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works towards being "less manipulated".
nubbins`: good for it!
funkenstein_: maybe gold is kind of like btc in 2010 when there was "the bitcoin market" aka gox
thestringpuller: Gold is so hard to move.
funkenstein_: true and hard to assay
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9281 @ 0.00025621 = 2.3779 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: coinabul is still up if you feel like being defrauded
nubbins`: plenty of places to buy gold w/ btc
nubbins`: silvergoldbull, amagi, quadrigacx...
funkenstein_: coinabul doesn't acutally ship anything though
funkenstein_: not that I expect the other ones too, but just happened to read through some of the coinabul complaint threads
nubbins`: shrug
nubbins`: have bought Au from a couple of the above
funkenstein_: escrow is a thing
funkenstein_: i heard amagi shipped at least sometimes
nubbins`: i've ordered from them 2 or 3 times
nubbins`: these days, you don't get to see the BTC price (and thus the exchange rate) until the last step in the checkout process
nubbins`: which is meh
nubbins`: incidentally, i tried to sell some gold on the forums a while back, no takers
nubbins`: shrug
danielpbarron: bitstein, thestringpuller why should we be signing everything but the kitchen sink? you shouldn't use assbot's return as gospel -- the WoT lets you know who and what to ask about a person before doing business
danielpbarron: if a rating is false, let the user speak up about it
bitstein: danielpbarron: why aren't you signing the kitchen sink?
danielpbarron: see also: ascii_field
assbot: Images that fool computer vision raise security concerns | Cornell Chronicle ... ( )
Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus...
danielpbarron: fiddle with it too much and you'll end up like the "smart contracts" people
asciilifeform: trinque: (re: earlier thread) why would the woman object to your having money? or was it that you earned it 'sinfully' ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13500 @ 0.00026011 = 3.5115 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: doesn't need much fiddling, just checksum the federated database into a deed
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: recall my fpga story at conf. II ? same idea
Adlai: and to prevent withholding, no news is also news
asciilifeform: (re: 'images that fool computer vision')
asciilifeform: '“We realized that the neural nets did not encode knowledge necessary to produce an image of a fire truck, only the knowledge necessary to tell fire trucks apart from other classes,” he explained.' << no shit
asciilifeform: 'If a new image was identified as a particular class with more certainty than the original, the researchers would discard the old version and continue to mutate the new one. Eventually this produced images that were recognized by the DNN with over 99 percent confidence but were not recognizable to human vision.' << i though everybody's tried this as a student. works great
punkman: W.Gibson has a fun bit about "the ugliest shirt in the world" which allows the wearer to not be recognized by CV systems
assbot: xkcd: Tasks ... ( )
asciilifeform: punkman: that almost happened in life!
asciilifeform: !s eurion
assbot: 0 results for 'eurion' :
assbot: Steganography - EURion Constellation ... ( )
assbot: Software Detection of Currency :: Projects :: Steven J. Murdoch ... ( )
asciilifeform: and also, 'Both PSP and Photoshop identify this image (from an Adobe Forum discussion) as being currency and refuse to open it, despite there being no instance of the Eurion constellation...' << 'eurion' is only the -publicly known- trick of this variety. no one knows how many other boobytraps lurk in idiot closed-source image processors
asciilifeform: we had a thread in #b-a about this, i'm quite certain
asciilifeform: but it is very much gibson's 'ugly shirt.'
punkman: there was also some guy with an anti-CV face makeup art project
Adlai: they're all using the same constellation? -_-
asciilifeform: Adlai: no. see 2nd link.
punkman: interesting that UK adopted EURion for GBP
asciilifeform: 'eurion' is just one of the unknown number of traps
asciilifeform: which, in turn, only work because of 'voluntary' collusion with adobe (photoshit) and printer makers
asciilifeform: yes, same printer makers as had the yellow microdots
asciilifeform: (serial number of printer on every page)
asciilifeform: 'for your own good' of course
assbot: Seeing Yellow ... ( )
punkman: I've been wondering how I'd go about finding a non-shit printer
asciilifeform: 'Most color laser printers made and sold today intentionally add invisible information to make it easier to determine where (and when) a particular document was printed. This seems to have been done as part of a secret deal between the United States Secret Service and the individual manufacturers. Some of the manufacturers have mentioned the existence of the tracking information in their documentation, and others haven't. None
asciilifeform: of them have explained exactly how it works or what information is conveyed. No law requires printer companies to help track printer users this way, and no law prevents them from stopping this practice or giving customers a solution to avoid being tracked.'
asciilifeform: ^ for anyone who was sleeping in a cave for the past decade
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: this is why you have nubbins` screen print your ransome notes on some high class paper
nubbins`: ^ this *is* true
danielpbarron: well the illegal image opens fine in GIMP
nubbins`: ^ this is also true
nubbins`: FWIW i think it's only laser printers that do this
nubbins`: i know for a fact that my wide-format Epson doesn't
nubbins`: (how? because the yellow tank contains black ink!)
danielpbarron: would be quite funny if they put the detection algorithm into an open source image manipulator
nubbins`: fwiw the detection algo would be impossibly easy to replicate
nubbins`: since we know the shape of the constellation :D
nubbins`: what am i looking at
danielpbarron: "currency"
nubbins`: oh n/m
nubbins`: well then!
danielpbarron: It has been reported that generating a false negative is easy, perhaps as simple as using images of two notes, side-by-side, rather than just one. << LOL
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00025454 = 1.3236 BTC [-]
trinque: nubbins`: no, this is in reference to my startup of 5 years which has actual revenue
trinque: asciilifeform: making money sinfully, yes
trinque: anyhow, clarity of the morning is; I'm through with her
trinque: when I start refining human flesh into foodstuffs we can talk about sinfully earned money
funkenstein_: sounds more economic than cremation
funkenstein_: "methodical illusions" <-- looks like an interesting read
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5950 @ 0.00026198 = 1.5588 BTC [+]
assbot: The 25 most exciting bitcoin startups in the world - Business Insider ... ( )
fluffypony: cringeworthy
fluffypony: "20. Ripple: Fixing the flaws in bitcoin"
fluffypony: the 20th most exciting Bitcoin startup is something trying to replace Bitcoin with a massively centralised system?
fluffypony: well ok then
fluffypony: oh and there we go, Ethereum at number 2
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00025858 = 1.2929 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6966 @ 0.00025858 = 1.8013 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: what is #1? the federal reserve?
funkenstein_: "21 What is 21? Outside of a chosen few, no one knows for sure" <-- number one
danielpbarron: 16. Circle: Taking the bitcoin out of bitcoin << certainly a theme here
danielpbarron: i see btcjam made the list
Adlai: the excitingness of "21" is bounded only by the imagination of the ignorant
danielpbarron: oh ethereum shares the #2 spot with counterparty which isn't remotely close to being the same thing despite what this article suggests
assbot: Metz - Ripped On The Fence / Dry Up at Discogs ... ( )
assbot: Counterparty Recreates Ethereum’s Smart Contract Platform on Bitcoin | Counterparty ... ( )
thestringpuller: when did businessinsider become gawker?
nubbins`: TIL i own a 7" single that's worth $85
danielpbarron: well dang .. i didn't know they added that nonsense
danielpbarron: Anything that one could ever do with Ethereum, one can now do with Bitcoin and Counterparty. << i guess that's the final nail in ethereum's coffin
Adlai: no, it's the nail in counterparty's coffin:
assbot: counterparty example · ethereum/serpent@f509f4d · GitHub ... ( )
funkenstein_: so I can put a non-halting program into the blockchain, and all counterparty nodes will stall?
Adlai: or maybe, they nailgunned eachother simultaneously
Adlai: aiui, you could only stall nodes of either network up to the amount of computation you're willing to subsidize
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8450 @ 0.00025609 = 2.164 BTC [-] {2}
funkenstein_: hmm that sounds interesting, i wonder how that is quantified
punkman: lol "Python numbers have potentially unlimited size, Serpent numbers wrap around 2256. For example, in Serpent the expression 3^(2^254) suprisingly evaluates to 1"
funkenstein_: what do you bet they use 32 bits or more to model that behavior?
funkenstein_: i think line number two is pretty important and looks like a common theme from the ethereum team
funkenstein_: +# Not yet tested
punkman: nobody's gonna use it, so why spend time testing :P
assbot: jonasnick/eth-neg-value-tx · GitHub ... ( )
Adlai: at least they pay out bounties in btc
nubbins`: Serpent, the ideal language for businesses who don't need more than 2,256 of anything
nubbins`: wait, that was superscript in src, wasn't it 8)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5331 @ 0.00026202 = 1.3968 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: nubbins`, yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12601 @ 0.00026288 = 3.3126 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: still a little silly for the platform bandied about as turing-complete to lack actual bignums
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14799 @ 0.00026756 = 3.9596 BTC [+]
punkman: Adlai, and for extra fun "Short strings, given simply in quotes as above, are treated as numbers; long strings, surrounded by the text keyword as above, are treated as array-like objects"
Adlai is fairly certain that phuctor is written in cl
Adlai: just a hunch...
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> tangentially, i wonder if someone who chose to name their company "Eris Industries" ever used IRC in the 90s. << Incredilol
nubbins`: i can't imagine they did :D
PeterL: uses assbot at a resolution source, does assbot keep historical price records?
assbot: BitBet - Qntra to the moon :: 0.31 B (79%) on Yes, 0.08 B (21%) on No | closing in 6 months 6 days | weight: 90`974 (100`000 to 10) ... ( )
nubbins`: mod6 ben_vulpes FWIW downloading blocks on Darwin nubs.local 13.4.0 Darwin Kernel Version 13.4.0: Wed Dec 17 19:05:52 PST 2014; root:xnu-2422.115.10~1/RELEASE_X86_64 x86_64
nubbins`: ^ with apologies to asciilifeform
thestringpuller: PeterL: it's just assking about 30 day which it calculated by !t
thestringpuller: basically:
thestringpuller: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00024773 / 0.00026264 / 0.00028284 (859358 shares, 225.70 BTC), 7D: 0.00024773 / 0.00029475 / 0.00033536 (18132562 shares, 5,344.64 BTC), 30D: 0.00024773 / 0.0003534 / 0.00048515 (82282113 shares, 29,078.73 BTC)
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00021105 / 0.00026069 / 0.000301 (36659 shares, 9.56 BTC)
PeterL: so for the yes side to win, somebody has to do !t for each here while the qntr is a higher price
thestringpuller: if the middle value on 30d for S.QNTR > correlated value for S.MPOE
thestringpuller: make sense PeterL ?
PeterL: it just seems like it should use a resolution source which can be checked later on, like when the bet ends
thestringpuller: why? we've used ;;ticker before to resolve
thestringpuller: and mike_c sorta stores historical MPEx data :P
PeterL: I guess anybody who bets on yes should make a point to come in here and do !t for each periodically
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11350 @ 0.00026756 = 3.0368 BTC [+]
jurov: currently no need to check so often, it's still 0.0003534 vs. 0.00026069
jurov: !depth m s.qntr
jurov: $depth s.qntr
jurov: lol current qntr sell depth is just bitcents. if i wanted to sway it for the bet to win, would have to start trading with myself
PeterL: but it wouldn't take much coin to push it up above the s.mpex price, and then you just need a bit of self-trading to keep it there a month
PeterL: s.mpoe price i mean
jurov: yes, but with risk someone notices and will try to dump the shares on that price
PeterL: there's not a whole lot of shares trading with which to dump
PeterL: but still not worth it as the bet currently stands
jurov: why not? there are tens of btc worth shares floating, someone bought them at < 0.0003
PeterL: what I mean is there is such a small amount bet on the bet, you might spend more than you would win holding the price up. Spend tens of btc to win .003 btc?
PeterL: unless you convince somebody to put some money down on no before you do the manipulation
jurov: oh you're looking from no side, mkay.
PeterL: or you think it would be easier to hold the s.qntr price down so no wins?
funkenstein_: nubbins, re: after a couple days i am up to 220k blocks. just like the old days isn't it?
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 267.15, Best ask: 267.29, Bid-ask spread: 0.14000, Last trade: 267.32, 24 hour volume: 23415.63076852, 24 hour low: 260.91, 24 hour high: 271.5, 24 hour vwap: None
ben_vulpes: ah it's so nice to see people building and running the RI
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: Adlai: << the maths engine is actually using boring old gmp -- same as gpg's
Adlai: ah, too bad
ascii_field: Adlai: go and try letting something like this cons!
ascii_field: see what kind of latency you get.
ascii_field: (c-machine - sucks)
ascii_field: danielpbarron: well the illegal image opens fine in GIMP << only half the story. before long, it won't print on printer, or even display on display.
ascii_field: the basic idea - owner-hostile hardware - is gaining ground.
ascii_field: presently the cheapest way to fight back is to extract the 'magic' algorithms and make sure the patterns start to appear in inconvenient places
ascii_field: such as in front of news cameras
ascii_field: or painted as graffiti, even
danielpbarron: oo, that reminds me of an article you once pasted in here
danielpbarron: about a parrot or something
ascii_field: 'blit' ?
ascii_field: short story
assbot: BLIT - a short story by David Langford ... ( )
danielpbarron: yes that
ascii_field: slightly different idea. boobytrap for flesh.
ascii_field: the thing with the diddled printers/image editors/etc is an actual thing today
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6000 @ 0.00026123 = 1.5674 BTC [-]
ascii_field: for instance, there is talk of mandating that digital cameras obey a magic remote off signal
ascii_field: ostensibly for movie theatres
ascii_field: but srsly.
PeterL: obviously to stop videoing police
Adlai: otoh, the movie theater proprietor who jams cellphone signals during screenings can marry my firstborn daughter
ben_vulpes: <ascii_field> presently the cheapest way to fight back is to extract the 'magic' algorithms and make sure the patterns start to appear in inconvenient places << oh this is bril
ascii_field: or the chinese toy chopper maker who 'volunteered' to gps-restrict the machine
PeterL: I've never noticed people using cell phones at movies
Adlai: you must live in a civilized place
ascii_field: PeterL: visit an american idiotopolis some time
assbot: Images that fool computer vision raise security concerns | Cornell Chronicle ... ( )
PeterL: but I wouldn't notice the denver massacre if it was happening around me while I am watching a movie
jurov: let them try to autodetect "illegal content"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4403 @ 0.00026123 = 1.1502 BTC [-]
ascii_field: jurov: it's one small step to usg prosecuting folks making hardware that doesn't obey magic bit
ascii_field: and before anyone says 'nuttery' - there is precedent
ascii_field: 'macrovision'
Adlai doesn't understand why warez doodz don't excise the pattern detectors from eg photoshop
assbot: Cinavia - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
ascii_field: cemented in place a bug in ntsc
Adlai: although that would graduate said dood from pirate to counterfeiter
ascii_field: Adlai: part of it is that folks dislike heavily patched w4r3z
ascii_field: Adlai: difficult to tell from infection
Adlai: in this case, wouldn't it be as simple as diddling a single routine to always return false?
Adlai: that can be distributed as a separate patch, with sample files to verify that it does what is said
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7100 @ 0.00026756 = 1.8997 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mircea_popescu BingoBoingo cazalla thestringpuller
jurov: so no ads ever?
nubbins`: shrug
nubbins`: i just took that from the "about" page
ascii_field: Adlai: diddling a single routine to always return false << only if the implementers were morons
jurov: ah. you can try "no milk" instead :DD
nubbins`: someone with an actual connection to qntra can feel free to provide different copy if they wish
nubbins`: all that matters to me is the shape of the sentences
danielpbarron: nubbins`, what about this url ?
assbot: Page not found | ... ( )
PeterL: asciilifeform:aviation, by and large, only works when you're a mega-state with maxint constantly replaced slaves to parasitise << depends if you are going for "go up in the air", or "survive dogfight with megastate"
ascii_field: PeterL: 'go up' is mighty expensive also.
ascii_field: PeterL: soviet planes often had mtbf measured in tens of hours.
PeterL: wright brothers were working in their garage
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: Committing to no ads in print potentially means committing to no Ads forever. We'll say what cazalla says, but 'No Milk' or other joke may be longer lasting
ascii_field: PeterL: wrights had ready-made engines to go with.
nubbins`: danielpbarron don't ask me, ask him :D
ascii_field: PeterL: but if you want to build a cardboard kite - yes, you can.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo nod
funkenstein_: it's a publicly traded non profit ?
nubbins`: your logic has no place here
BingoBoingo: funkenstein_: Profit is planned eventually, hopefully. Hence can't commit to no ads
funkenstein_: ok thanks
ascii_field: didn't ben_vulpes demonstrate that ads are dead ?
PeterL: wouldn't ads provide milk? or am I misunderstanding that reference?
PeterL: I thought ben_vulpes only stopped because too busy with other stuff?
funkenstein_: in the meantime you could put a donation address up
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Author urls might be overloading the card with too much information
ben_vulpes: PeterL: bit of column a, bit of column b.
ascii_field: at any rate, i assumed that the ads thing was neither fun nor threatened to replace ben_vulpes's day job
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: trinque: why sinfully? curious about the story
ascii_field: trinque: why would woman object to your having money ?
ascii_field: trinque: esp. if she was (as you appear to suggest) a pet
assbot: counterparty example · ethereum/serpent@f509f4d · GitHub ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16050 @ 0.00026117 = 4.1918 BTC [-] {2}
thestringpuller: wtf, #4 changetip? how is throwing change at each other like hobos noteworthy?
nubbins`: i've had people "tip" me dimes on a couple of occasion
nubbins`: one guy tried to give me a buck
nubbins`: utterly repugnant, yet too oblivious to realize
ascii_field: dime: useless; nsa tracking beacon - priceless
nubbins`: ascii_field after a few pestering PMs, changetip returned the money to its original owner
nubbins`: (they won't hold your dime forever!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00026756 = 2.9164 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: ^ dat event trigger
PeterL: << somewhere I have an excel function that does this, grabs balance from or some such website
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 08:38:46; mircea_popescu: "The goal or problem is checking the balance of a ton of addresses without having to import them with keys without having to run a linux machine, without having to run anything in python, just plain and simple copy a list of addresses"
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 08:38:53; mircea_popescu: maybe he should put them in excel.
ascii_field: 'without having to run a linux machine' << wai wat
PeterL: some people think linux is hard?
PeterL: and windoze is easy!
assbot: Check Balance of Multiple Bitcoin Addresses ( Non py, Non Linux ) ... ( )
ascii_field: 'the goal or problem is not stinking of shit, without having to use a toilet, without having to wear diapers, just plain and simple not stinking of shit'
ascii_field offers a tube of 'superglue'
nubbins`: OP is a fucking dog cunt
nubbins`: srsly, read that post
ascii_field: i did.
nubbins`: "Things we dont need: " <followed by several actual solutions
assbot: Check Balance of Multiple Bitcoin Addresses ( Non py, Non Linux ) ... ( )
nubbins`: choice lels
ascii_field: wtf he even needed this for
nubbins`: because haxxor
nubbins`: he had an idea
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Retarded scanning all the private keys possibru idear
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: but this is ancient idea. handled by existing code
nubbins`: sure, but he's obviously retarded
ascii_field: that this is so - was obvious
nubbins`: some guy made him a fuckin jar file for him to run and he can't figure out how to use it
ascii_field: question was what flavour of retardation
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Headwater?
nubbins`: "do it for me 100% or it won't get done and you're mean" retardation
ascii_field: i though the 'jar' was just a turd that loads from
ascii_field: and he wanted standalone that uses actual bitcoin
nubbins`: maybe so, didn't fully parse. guy does say later on that he can't figure out how to work the jar
nubbins`: this is "cut up my chicken nuggets AND chew them for me" level
nubbins`: christ, what a cesspool
ascii_field: and didn't even notice he was given turds instead of nuggets
nubbins`: noticed, but they were a familiar shape.
nubbins`: got a relevant link, sec
danielpbarron: << You are blocked from following @freebsdgirl and viewing @freebsdgirl's Tweets. Learn more
assbot: As a reminder, you'd have to hack into my Windows 8.1 desktop behind NAT to get my ssh key & use the right IP to access my AWS hosts.
ascii_field: wai wat
ascii_field: do i even want to know.
assbot: Jamie Oliver Shows School Kids How Chicken Nuggets are made - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9939 @ 0.00026103 = 2.5944 BTC [-]
nubbins`: tv;dw: kids are shown raw truth of chicken nuggets being made from scratch, right in front of them, "EWW GROSSS" etc, then all clamor over each other to eat the fried result
nubbins`: and i mean like fistfuls of skin and fat blended w/ the meat, pushed through sieve, whole deal
ascii_field: ;;google futurama slurm
gribble: Slurm - Futurama Wiki, the Futurama database: <>; Fry and the Slurm Factory - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; Slurm Factory Tour - Video Clip | Comedy Central: <>
nubbins`: ha, precisely this
ascii_field: 'umpa, dumpa, dupaty-didient, thou shalt not ask about the Secret Ingredient!'
thestringpuller: ascii_field: you watch futurama?!?
ascii_field: wait it still exists?
ascii_field: did watch
thestringpuller: watched*
thestringpuller: ascii_field: well they ended up not revealing the secret ingredient cause slurm is so delicious...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8150 @ 0.00025613 = 2.0875 BTC [-]
nubbins`: so we got a second cat back in november and i've been mildly worried that she's a bit aggressive towards our older cat
ascii_field: castrate ?
nubbins`: today, as i'm watching them eat supper, older cat tires of her food and just starts eating from younger cat's dish; younger cat retreats and waits for her turn :0
nubbins`: both female, both fixed
ascii_field: so older one won ?
nubbins`: nod, effortless display of dominance
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5200 @ 0.00025275 = 1.3143 BTC [-] {2}
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: ^ sometimes stuff like this happens ;(
ascii_field: thick cat is thick!
nubbins`: that's dory, she's a fatso!
nubbins`: shelter kitty
ascii_field: i saw a most peculiar cat scene the other day
ascii_field: gigantic semi-wild but castrated male cat, grooming - and then guarding - a smaller cat
nubbins`: the other cat occasionally grooms me, it's endearing
ascii_field: but that was an odd scene
ascii_field: solitary animal doing a 'social' thing
nubbins`: i'd say
mats: adorbs
nubbins`: outdoor cat behaviour is fascinating
ascii_field: the smaller one, i think, lives under my shed
nubbins`: protip: if you eat canned tuna, save the water
nubbins`: unrelated, but came across this gem while looking for more cat photos:
danielpbarron: save it for what? a cat?
danielpbarron: i just poured tuna water down the drain not 2 hours ago
nubbins`: yeah, cats love tuna water
ascii_field: i tried to feed'em once but they like the neighbours' more
ascii_field: my street is a gigantic cat restaurant
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nubbins`: dish of it on the back step is a good way to attract em
ascii_field: where the beasts can afford to be picky
nubbins`: this is assuming that random cats are a thing you want to attract
ascii_field: nubbins`: i like cats.
nubbins`: me too!
ascii_field: people find it puzzling but it is kinda the reason i don't try to tame them and keep them inside
nubbins`: dory was at the shelter for longer than any of the other cats :/
ascii_field: i imagine that i wouldn't want to be tamed if i were them
nubbins`: pinki gets free access to outside and quite enjoys it, dory seems to show no interest in getting out
ascii_field: nubbins`: ever consider a bigger cat?
ascii_field: e.g. ocelot ?
danielpbarron: there was a cat that used to roam around outside that i would let sleep inside on occasion; i think it mothered a litter and died
nubbins`: tempting, maybe once there's no more shelter cats 8)
nubbins`: danielpbarron dory mothered three kittens and was found with them, abandoned, in an empty apartment
nubbins`: some people, i tell ya
cazalla: nubbins`, that's ugly imo, we don't use for email, but more importantly i am not fussed on this idea of bidness cards, so best to ask the others for input
nubbins`: nod, all text incl. email address is mere placeholder
danielpbarron: i think gold on black is tacky
nubbins`: i don't want to decide for 12 people what info they'll have on their cards
danielpbarron: i like the key fingerprint thing
nubbins`: personally i'd go with mid-grey ink
danielpbarron: i like white cards
ascii_field: wai wat
ascii_field: cards?
nubbins`: qntra business cards
danielpbarron: maybe apply the "photocopy" filter to the rabbit image and use as logo
nubbins`: unless you've got a version bigger than 30x30...
nubbins`: but that's the other thing, no logo
nubbins`: so you're left w/ just text
cazalla: i can't think of anything more obnoxious than someone giving you their business card, it's pretty much them saying, "here, you're obligated to put this either in your bidness card holder or the bin", perhaps i don't have the sophistication to appreciate bidness cards like ol' buffett (or whoever it is that collects em like baseball cards) but whatevs
danielpbarron: you have it backwards
danielpbarron: they are things you ask for
nubbins`: cazalla that's because you're not a small business owner dealing with other small business owners
danielpbarron: not force on
danielpbarron: i ask for business cards all the time
nubbins`: "do you have a card?" "no" "....."
nubbins`: "but you can look us up on facebook"
nubbins`: anyway, a good next step would be for people who intend to receive these cards to put some thought into what info they'd like on them, as well as a general idea of how they'd prefer them to look
ascii_field: i still like the pcb business cards idea - in the abstract
nubbins`: ascii_field nod
cazalla: as for ads, i've wanted to run them for a while, but credible advertisers are lacking
ascii_field: nubbins`:,MfVbeHG,0tCxX1m#0 << sketch i made for mircea_popescu once
nubbins`: right, i remember this
ascii_field: suggested to have it baked on kapton
ascii_field: and gold plated copper
ascii_field: resistant to solvents, oils, and temp up to 400C
nubbins`: yeah, you could sautee em
ascii_field: but most of all, memorable
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> i think gold on black is tacky << I loved nubbins` gold on black
ascii_field: at least until idiots start making'em
nubbins`: say, any PCB layouts from the cardano project approaching 3.5x2" in size?
ascii_field: nubbins`: the current version of the mainboard, approx.
nubbins`: BingoBoingo you'll find this is one of the great divides of people the world over: white background vs black
nubbins`: white paper vs black. white shirts vs black.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
nubbins`: ascii_field just pondering pcb cards w/ a bit more of a story behind em
nubbins`: got any vector files or anything?
nubbins`: am i allowed to ask for them yet? 8)
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> maybe apply the "photocopy" filter to the rabbit image and use as logo << probably would work cleaner as lineart bunny
ascii_field: nubbins`: generally it is -defunct- hardware that gets recycled into toys
nubbins`: oh, i'm thinking silkscreening the design on paper
danielpbarron: yeah idk what the best filter is, but the idea is it works well as a single color
nubbins`: lay the traces in gold ink, flood a mask of semi-transparent green/red/blue/w/e on top
nubbins`: white for markings/biz card info
nubbins`: picture a sparkfun but with "stan" written on the bottom
ascii_field not enamoured of toys which look like functional things but aren't
BingoBoingo: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: i play low-battery roulette
nubbins`: *:ascii_field not enamoured of toys which look like functional things but aren't <<< there's a word for this, it escapes me
nubbins`: yes, you're getting there
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nubbins`: like how Notes looks like a notepad
BingoBoingo: Damn, missed
BingoBoingo: skeumorphism
nubbins`: nah, was ok
nubbins`: yeah, that's it.
ascii_field: skeumorphism was text editors that look like parchment, waveform editors with drawn 'oscilloscope knobs', etc
nubbins`: skeumorphophobe!
nubbins`: technically a business card that looks like a pcb is not this, but w/e
ascii_field: not at all
ascii_field: skeumorph -does something- like what the thing it imitates did
nubbins`: what i should've said was "there's a word for something else, it escapes me"
nubbins`: BingoBoingo either that was already pasted here, or something else strange is going on
BingoBoingo: !up wsbtc
cazalla: nubbins`, posted yesterday, hilarious read
wsbtc: Hi, I'm here to learn more about bitcoin and I understand that this is the place to do it. Where should I begin?
danielpbarron: wsbtc, here's a good place to start ->
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danielpbarron: if you know how to GPG, you could get yourself in the WoT
wsbtc: Thank you
mircea_popescu: !v thomas
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kakobrekla: !up thomas
mircea_popescu: o.O check me out, !v lol
mircea_popescu: totally.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just realised, talking to punkman yest, that we've actually been here for well over three years.
mircea_popescu: that's 78 twoweeks, yo!
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
kakobrekla: myea. not much to brag about.
mircea_popescu: << at least one's honest, after losing or w/e.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 13:19:22; assbot: Mars One Finalist Announces That It's All A Scam | IFLScience ... ( )
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you think ? the things i've seen people brag about since then...
mircea_popescu: "17 yo entrepreneur" of yesterday was bragging about "trading altcoins for four years".
ascii_field was about to say 'everyone's honest after losing' but then remembered the tales of phorum sc4mz0rz who transition to shills, etc
nubbins`: !up thomas
mircea_popescu: think about that for a moment, solid coin hadn't been even invented yet.
nubbins`: oh ha.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yeah, world's been revolutionized a coupla times and changed who even knows how often since those days.
nubbins`: woodcollector
mircea_popescu: After filling out an application (mostly out of curiosity), former NASA researcher Joseph Roche, now of Trinity College, became one of 100 finalists to live in permanent settlement on Mars. In his interview with Elmo Keep for Medium, Roche expressed many concerns, ranging from inaccurate media coverage (there were only 2,761 applicants, not 200,000) to Mars One’s psychological or psychometric testing (or lack thereof
mircea_popescu: ) to how leading contenders earned their spot (he says they paid for it).
ascii_field waits for the inevitable 'but of course anyone who would go in for this is so gullible god himself put him upon this earth to be fleeced, by us preferably' retort from the m4rssc4mz0r
mircea_popescu: ascii_field in those venues where idiots congregate, this is heard, because it actually is +ev.
mircea_popescu: here it doesn't wash, so they don't bother.
ascii_field: oh wouldn't dream of seeing him appear -here-
mircea_popescu: when you're a scammer you gotta be very careful with your time. keeping above water quite the challenge.
ascii_field: this is basic 'spam like a pro in 21 days' material...
wsbtc: The more I read that page, the more I realize I didn't know nearly as much about Bitcoin as I though I did.
wsbtc: Gratitude.
mircea_popescu: There are other bad signs for Mars One. The organization’s contract with production company Endemol is no longer in place; Mars One was hoping to generate $6 billion from a reality show.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha 6bn!
mircea_popescu: dude wtf... srsly, 6bn ? like, three derps got together and went, "hey, this IDEA is totally worth one hundred thousand new cars" ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla just for the record, on my wishlist-of-things-way-far-out-of-reach, stuff which like hooft says, i'll be happy to get in a 100 years : i'd totally love it if qntra did what medium does, and is correct in doing : chase these social justice idiocies, get insiders to spill the beans.
mircea_popescu: the projects will multiply, as time goes by, for the obvious economic reasons. the lulz will increase. lulz must be mined!
mircea_popescu: And as far as the delays are concerned, he says, “is it really a failure if we land our first crew two, four, six, or even eight years late?”
mircea_popescu: ^ check out the bfl/anon asic scammer verbiage.
mircea_popescu: he could have run neobee.
mircea_popescu: "brick and mortar mars mission"
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mircea_popescu: mats : "Comment by Massimiliano Torromeo (mtorromeo) - Friday, 05 April 2013, 12:07 GMT This package is not a dependency of any other package. It also needs to be explicitly installed AND started/enabled so after installation the system is not any less secure."
mircea_popescu: << nah, seems much flatter a power struggle than that. they're just bickering over the remote.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 13:32:08; nubbins`: (cough)
mircea_popescu: but, the fact that chick can get him that worked up over nothing bodes well for teh twu wuv factor involved :D
mircea_popescu: also, nubbins` STOP WHOTEKNIGTING
thestringpuller: i wonder if one day effort to be scammer will outweight that of doing actual work
mircea_popescu: yeah. that day is erryday.
thestringpuller: i guess ppl jus stoopid and don't know scamming doesn't pay
nubbins`: whoteknighting = showing people the mirror?
nubbins`: anyway, much flatter a power struggle, i like that
thestringpuller: lol #b-a mcgruff ads
thestringpuller: "Scamming Doesn't Pay Kids"
nubbins`: "but i do"
punkman: work doesn't pay much either for most folks
trinque: mircea_popescu: there was plenty more a sober me decided not to put in the permanent record
trinque: reduces to socialism is awesome because artists vs no, food is good
trinque: completely stupid argument
mircea_popescu: lol okay.
mircea_popescu: your domain mlad.
mircea_popescu: punkman is greek, he'd know.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> cazalla just for the record, on my wishlist-of-things-way-far-out-of-reach, stuff which like hooft says, i'll be happy to get in a 100 years : i'd totally love it if qntra did what medium does, and is correct in doing : chase these social justice idiocies, get insiders to spill the beans. << Medium is just some twitter founder's take on blogger. It only holds writing from the people who choose to blog there for fre
mircea_popescu: trinque btw, the "artists of socialism" nonsense is just so much bunk, and thorouighly debunked.
trinque: I got drunk and started giving a loud speech at a bar about how great markets are
mircea_popescu: this was the soviet argument in the 20s. their "artistry" fizzled, and really, 10 years out of 70 ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i know that part, i'm not arguing roundly for its merits.
trinque: and how "artists" live at the pleasure of people with wealth, and no other way
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nubbins`: what are you o.Oing about
mircea_popescu: so basically we could say "another copacetic union ruined by trilema" ?
trinque: yeah just about
nubbins`: you wrote an essay on this, i ...oh, heh
trinque: I was an asshole before I read you, though
mircea_popescu: the regulator of intensity.
mircea_popescu: lol i need new fucking bylines.
mircea_popescu: "Empowering assholes, since before very long ago."
nubbins`: "making your thorax palpitate since 1978"
trinque: look! the sky! it's the ass-signal!
trinque: mp aways
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, funny story. friend with small baby, intelligent woman, actual engineer, the works.
mircea_popescu: so she is prepared, right ?
nubbins`: not necessarily
mircea_popescu: she knows, for instance, that one of the first things kids babblingly ask is why is the sky blue ?
mircea_popescu: so she's got it ready to lay out.
ben_vulpes: can one be?
nubbins`: o sure
mircea_popescu: kid asks "why sky ?"
trinque: woah.gif
trinque: reminds me of louis ck's "why" bit
mircea_popescu: the only thing missing'd have been, kid frowning and in very bussins voice
mircea_popescu: "you know you're not really that well prepared."
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trinque must find a power outlet, brb
mircea_popescu: check it out, trinquette kicked undata out, now he's a bum
thestringpuller: buddy of mine is a sticker bomber.
thestringpuller: has a sticker that says, "Keeping public employees employed since 2009"
thestringpuller: since he only puts them on government owned things
thestringpuller: ;;seen undata
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nubbins`: that's a "does", not an "is" :D
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah, well... that's a good point. in honesty so is gawker, but anyway. the distinction between one model and the other blurs.
mircea_popescu: in the words of the great jukov, "the fact that the americans won that battle by sheer accident doesn't mean we shouldn't win the same way deliberately"
mircea_popescu: and if neobee/primeasic/whatever is bitcoin news, so is the exactly identially executed, designed and manned "mars project"
BingoBoingo: I'll write it up
mircea_popescu: nah i dun mean this one specifically.
mircea_popescu: but the next one, if it ever happens.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, i think by now we know more about scams than ny's da office, collectively.
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: aite, the Mars thing has been out for a while. I'll keep looking for the next one.
chetty: if the da's knew anything about scams the entire rest of the gubermint would be in jail
mircea_popescu: that also. but i just mean know, not necessarily act, to give them a chance.
mircea_popescu: louis c k is givving the snotty brat way too much control over her environment.
mircea_popescu: she's gonna grow up to believe socialism is best because artists.
ascii_field: achtung, panzers:
assbot: Dell System Detect RCE vulnerability | Tom's corner of the internet ... ( )
ascii_field: Run Moar Winblows (TM)
ascii_field: 'While investigating this rather innocuous looking program I discovered that it accepts commands by listening for HTTP requests on localhost:8884 and that the security restrictions Dell put in place are easily bypassed, meaning an attacker could trigger the program to download and install any arbitrary executable from a remote location with no user interaction at all.'
mircea_popescu: While investigating this rather innocuous looking program I discovered that it accepts commands by listening for HTTP requests on localhost:8884 and that the security restrictions Dell put in place are easily bypassed, meaning an attacker could trigger the program to download and install any arbitrary executable from a remote location with no user interaction at all.
mircea_popescu: ahaha oops. sorry.
mircea_popescu: anyway, sounds exactly like dell
thestringpuller: is this why you use thinkpads?
mircea_popescu: " So let's take a closer look at the program - it's a .NET 2.0 executable and can be completely decompiled with dotPeek into a set of Visual Studio solutions."
mircea_popescu: F for effin'...
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nah, i write my own drivers. in vi.
punkman: "Our attack allows an adversary controlling a sufficient number of IP addresses to monopolize all connections to and from a victim bitcoin node."
mircea_popescu: yeah the node connections sorter is really high up on the list of fixes. etc
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 06:45:26; mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> something tells me that block downloading and peer selection is an important thing to look at in the next few arbitrary time units. << that something is athena riding a flaming shield.
ascii_field remembers about his unfinished 'hardwired peers' patch for 0.5.3
mircea_popescu: ascii_field and the "introduce scoring for peers, shitlist least performing for x interval" idea from earlier, same thread.
ben_vulpes: murder on my mind.
brendafdez: re: Businesscards. I found a QR code with a BTC address, and now, also the GPG fingerprint, provide a good excuse to hand it out without sounding like you're forcing them. "Where do I send the btc?" --"Here!" (:
ascii_field: i'll sum it up here. 1) sane node -always, without exception- connects to as many wot nodes as are up 2) then possibly connects to others from cache
ben_vulpes: is redundant block downloading a horrible idea?
ben_vulpes: perhaps to reduce bw waste, randomly ask for n-plicate copies of blocks from other nodes?
ben_vulpes: "randomly"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the only reasonable way to go about it is, pretend the other nodes are your employees. measure the txn bytes/minute you receive from them, give points.
mircea_popescu: problem solves itself. whether they duplicate or not is a byproduct : competition, economical.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: measure the txn bytes/minute you receive from them << won't work for 0.5.3 as presently exists. bastard blocks -get transmitted- before rejected
mircea_popescu waits patiently for the vc funded, world changing "start-up" predicated on having read the above lines in the log.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i was talking more in terms of how it's supposed to go. i'm aware the current pos is a pos.
ben_vulpes: "this one neat trick to speed up blockchain sync time!"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes and also, on my personal wishlist : could block generation finally be fucking fixed ?
ben_vulpes: what's wrong with it?
mircea_popescu: i was nonplussed that i can't make blocksized txn in 2012, i still am nonplussed.
mircea_popescu: if i want to make a txn that's 1mb, i do.
ben_vulpes: oh hm.
ben_vulpes: that's deeeeeeep in the transaction creation code iirc.
mircea_popescu: it's a total fucking pain when stuff like, payout of the bfl bitbet happens
mircea_popescu: or recently, berkshire.
mircea_popescu: yes i know. that pile of dung has to be exorcised.
ascii_field: fastest way for mircea_popescu to do this is, unfortunately but probably, to wait for my version.
mircea_popescu: i been waitin' a long time honey!
ascii_field: (or write himself. anyone's bet who wins)
mircea_popescu: literally, 2012.
mircea_popescu: (mp fondly remembers how he's one of the... one guy that hit the power rangers over the head until they finally put encryption into wallets. which, prior to mid 2012, were plaintext)
ascii_field: (i like how it occurred to no one to ask why 1mb tx)
mircea_popescu: (and i'm not entirely sure that encryption's worth jack shit, by the way, if someone feels like reading it)
ascii_field: generic aes
mircea_popescu: and what, can't be subtly fucked up ?
ascii_field: sure it can
mircea_popescu: besides, fucking aes.
ascii_field: calls out to openssl even
ben_vulpes: i don't see why not.
ben_vulpes: i don't see why plaintext is so bad, i mean to say.
ben_vulpes: but that's probably stockhol.
ben_vulpes: stockholm.
mircea_popescu: it's stockholm.
ben_vulpes: encrypt wallet with gpg, move to safe location on disk, run without hot wallet.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes does not keep 'wallet' around. he memorizes private key
ben_vulpes: stop bitcoind, move wallet back in, restart, sync wallet txns periodically.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes don't forget to encrypt your privkey ring with gpg too
ben_vulpes: ya well duh.
mircea_popescu: because they ALSO didnt see why it's so bad
ben_vulpes: symmetric in my brain.
ben_vulpes: its really the only sane model.
mircea_popescu: look, you're spewing nonsense. think in simple terms : if wallet is encrypted by program using it, then it can be read by program using it, and kernel.
ascii_field: no shit
mircea_popescu: if wallet is encrypted in useralnd, then it's read by gpg
mircea_popescu: and everyone else.
mircea_popescu: including... the disk.
mircea_popescu: and so on and so forth.
ascii_field: incidentally (i wrote) a neat little proof of concept bin patch for bitcoind on winblows.
ben_vulpes: i've always assumed that if someone got access to the machine while hot, the coins were gone regardless.
ascii_field: the first outgoing tx sent by the luser after it goes to addr A
ascii_field: (magic constant)
ascii_field: notice how much good the wallet crypto does him.
ascii_field: oh and sends whole wallet's weight of course
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you know im not proposing quinine solves gout over here.
mircea_popescu: and your "poc" that "sends whole wallet" is going to run into some fucking lulzy problems once it gets implemented,
mircea_popescu: because no one knows what's in a wallet.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: think for a minute
ascii_field: doesn't send the file
ascii_field: creates a legit tx using the luser's own client
mircea_popescu: that says wut ?
mircea_popescu: whatever it may say, fuck you and a heap of error: {"code":-4,"message":"Transaction creation failed"}
ascii_field: that has [sum of his unspent coin - 0.1 fee] value, and is to addr A (constant) instead of wherever he asked for
mircea_popescu: if you imagine this "sum of unspent coin" symbol is defined...
brendafdez: I always wondered why negative error codes...
mircea_popescu: brendafdez correlates to iq.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: iterates, incr. fee, until no error
ascii_field: can't promise that it works for everyone.
mircea_popescu: np problem, well done.
mircea_popescu: "hey everyone since i installed alfbitcoin my system has been doing 100% cpu"
ascii_field: where's the np ?
mircea_popescu: in the fucking wallet.
ascii_field: theoretically a knapsack problem, yes
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's a reason wallet theft consisted of stealing the (plaintext) wallet file
ascii_field: but in practice quadratic.
mircea_popescu: rather than this sort of stuff. it's about 100x easier, given the sad state of bitcoind
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: and recipient does what?
ascii_field: he is also stuck with the knapsack
mircea_popescu: and people fail to think how important this is, because atm relatively few addresses (if you divide total btc to total addresses you get a .x ish average)
mircea_popescu: but once the average per address is under 0.0001... just you see quadratics then
ascii_field: then - yes
mircea_popescu: ascii_field yes but can do it in his own time.
mircea_popescu: with actual tools. etc.
ascii_field: who the hell has wallet full of nanodust also
mircea_popescu: EVERYONE
ben_vulpes: everyone.
ben_vulpes: well, most people.
mircea_popescu: i would guess more bitcoin has been loist to nanodusting than to outright laptop-in-garbage dump incidents
ascii_field: if so, it is on account of the idiocy where the client has no idea how to 'defragment'
ascii_field: and is averse to sending to himself
mircea_popescu: just, the owners still think they own the dust they can't actually send anywhere.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not only that. the txn making is dust-agnostic. instead of optimizing to not create too small chunks, it just does whatever.
mircea_popescu: because "too hard".
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the fucktards are busy "innovating" bullshit.
mircea_popescu: the hard problems of bitcoin are still untouched since six yyears ago when satoshi saw them and ran screaming.
ascii_field: the most frustrating part is that the correct solutions are so obvious.
mircea_popescu: yeah, they are : go entertain cia over the weekend.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: i mean to say, they are actually obvious to anyone who stayed awake in junior 'algorithms'
mircea_popescu: nobody went to school.
mircea_popescu: they're all fucking experts.
ascii_field went to school
ascii_field: and nubbins` iirc
ascii_field: and a few others
ben_vulpes: <mircea_popescu> ascii_field not only that. the txn making is dust-agnostic. instead of optimizing to not create too small chunks, it just does whatever. << aggressively whatever. semi random selection of outputs, iirc.
ascii_field: i get it, it was written by monkeys
mircea_popescu: (honestly i've not really looked what they've been doing with it since 7ish)
ascii_field: mircea_popescu did not miss much
ascii_field: ben_vulpes has an exhaustive catalogue
mircea_popescu: ascii_field anyway, if you're curious, do a braid on a bitcoin then see what happens.
ascii_field: braid ?
ben_vulpes: hardly exhaustive.
mircea_popescu: (split it to three addresses, then feed one by two for a while)
mircea_popescu: then see what you can spend and what you can't.
mircea_popescu: this is the golden standard for testing txn generators.
mircea_popescu: or, closer to what you want, "then send it all to one address". see with own eyes.
ascii_field: i have this working for a [censored application] but it uses machine (outside of bitcoind) generated tx
mircea_popescu: yeah well, WHY IS THAT
ascii_field: and raw key material
mircea_popescu: alf trying to scam me in argument! "oh, bitcoind works. i think so because i don't use it because it doesn't"
ascii_field believes when mircea_popescu says that it -will- explode if used as printed on the crate
BingoBoingo: Well, sometimes it does
mircea_popescu: hence why we're terrorists.
ascii_field: likewise most of the folks here have read enough of it to see how this might be
BingoBoingo: Bitcoind (and a number of the other 'wallets') grind balances to dust over time.
ascii_field: don't forget that this was -deliberate-
ascii_field: phoundation justified it with 'bbbut an0nym1ty1111!!111'
mircea_popescu: this is way before vessenes was invented.
ascii_field: 'wouldn't want to link the coins you got from bin laden to the ones you got from george bush, when you go spend'em'
mircea_popescu: you for some reason seem to think scam foundation and bitcoin are cogenerational. this is about as true as saying you and your mom were born the same week
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i formed this impression because i do not know the actual truth of the extent of collaboration between gavin et al and satoshi pre-phoundation
ascii_field: having contradictory data, assumed the worst.
mircea_popescu: fake foundation's just a pressed shitbullet, they made it, getting rid of it won't get rid of the problem.
mircea_popescu: it's exactly like "Bitcoin magazine", meanwhile buried.
ascii_field: i saw it as more of a snakeskin
mircea_popescu: once they didn't get away with simply stealing that, they made coindesk.
ascii_field: shed as many times as snake likes
mircea_popescu: which will be buried too, but... still. you don't kill ticks by breaking the bellies.
mircea_popescu: anyway, gavin showed up pretty quick o nthe original lists. to no one's suprirse, nsa does read the stuff, as amply documented.
ascii_field: so then.
mircea_popescu: foundation not directly related to this.
ascii_field saw phoundation and gavinatronics as mostly synonymous
ben_vulpes: he's a useful front, as i see it.
mircea_popescu: well perhaps the discussion of which lice spawned what scorpion is not directly interesting to engineers, being more in the vein of politics and law. so i guess you actually have a fine aproximation.
ascii_field actually does find it interesting, and if mircea_popescu ever writes a detailed likbez, will enjoy reading
mircea_popescu: but no, the two got merged late. originally, foundation was transparent scam to syphon and repurpose bitcoins to prop up "vc entreprises".
mircea_popescu: once got called out on that, shed some bits (coinlab, anyone recall that ?) and moved to "worthy goals" (stioll not releasing any reports, because vessenes, like all clueless idiots involved, thinks taint is a thing, and also thinks i don't know his addresses, because whatever, he's magically protected by nulandine)
mircea_popescu: except no worthy goals were willing to work with them, and so moved to "default worthy goal" = pay gavin a salary.
mircea_popescu: which was getting paid anyway. but better cover now.
mircea_popescu: which pretty much brings us to 2014, when the thing became too expensive to be useful, so it had to run out of usg jurisdiction (went to uk)
mircea_popescu: pretending now that hey, "they are publishing reports". of the new entity.
mircea_popescu: because whatever, i'm going to hang them anyway, and usg isn't going to hang them no matter what, so that leaves a space in the middle.
mircea_popescu: which pretty much brings us to date.
mircea_popescu: (and by "too expensive to be useful" i don't mean anything but, for every btc in gains it makes us, it gives that terrorist we shall not name 10 to 100 btc worth of ammo)
mircea_popescu waves @ Patrick Merck, who realised all this shit too late and ran off through the wall.
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BingoBoingo: "called a Jew" scapegoat isn't as sticky nao
mats: is Merck still general counsel for TBP?
ascii_field: << l0l that google remembered this actually interesting figure and not some wanker
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thestringpuller: ascii_field: has a crush
mircea_popescu: mats like beauty : yes, until you ask.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller if you want to talk "women in tech" it really starts with noether.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: not with lovelace ?
ascii_field: it doesn't get any hotter than lovelace, imho
BingoBoingo: !up thomas
mircea_popescu: noether was born in 82, yo!
mircea_popescu: lovelace is this 70s bs.
ascii_field: this is the nice thing re: dead folks
ascii_field: they can be $age in your head
mircea_popescu: anywya, i have deepthroat right here, it's... ungreat.
ascii_field: i often wonder where the 'kabuki' of modern western porn came from
mircea_popescu: not there.
ascii_field: meaning, roughly speaking, the set of conventions re: what the heroes look like, what they do, etc.
mircea_popescu: originally, it was actually max hardcore i think. after that, it was mostly bangbros.
ascii_field: (because, i will confess, i never really went in for it)
mircea_popescu: before that, it was randoim shit.
mircea_popescu: (if you read teh trilematograph heading you prolly know i've been working on a very similar question)
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 13:45:09; nubbins`: (given that free advice can only cost $0, the set of possible costs for said free advice is a zero ring, which precludes the set from being a field, which means that division by zero is not required to be undefined, which means that your assertion that it's infinitely more valuable is, at least superficially, true)
mircea_popescu: dun worry sir whiteknight, b-a brings the best out in everyone.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: too late alfie.
mircea_popescu: btw, want me to tell you a romanian joke ?
mircea_popescu: guy walking through street at night. suddenly, jumped by some burly dudes.
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: too late alfie. << ahahhhahaha. The nickname is sticking!
mircea_popescu: they struggle a little, he's taken to the ground, at which point the leader of the pack goes
mircea_popescu: listen dude, you're getting fucked whbether you want to or not. it's a fact. the only questrion to you is, if you want to do it with alifie or without.
mircea_popescu: so the guy eventually decides to go with.
mircea_popescu: at which the leader goes "Yo! Alifie! come over we got one."
mircea_popescu: (alifie, in romanian, is maz')
jurov: fyi, electrum does not and has opposite problem - you must freeze addresses to prevent it always spending everything
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 21:31:49; BingoBoingo: Bitcoind (and a number of the other 'wallets') grind balances to dust over time.
jurov: at least 1.9, dunno about 2.0
mircea_popescu: yeah different but not necessarily better
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:21:16; bitstein: Is there a reason WoT ratings are not required to be GPG signed?
mircea_popescu: !up bitstein
jurov: does assbot store the !v verification string?
jurov: imo that was what was meant
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:22:40; Adlai: and trusting that people don't leave authenticated irc accounts idle accessible to random passersby
mircea_popescu: jurov so the question was more "why does assbot not implement the drawbacks to privacy of a strong crypto verification scheme" ?
mircea_popescu: phrased like that it's obvious.
jurov: what? everyone being able to check rating entries independently of assbot would do that?
mircea_popescu: well, you're stuck publishing all this signed material in that model.
mircea_popescu: not like people can't do that if they wish, via deedbot.
mircea_popescu: << assbot model is much improved over gribble model. there's no more sessions, so you're mostly battling with a solved problem there.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:22:44; bitstein: That just allows the server to know it is talking to who it thinks it is talking to, but it doesn't guarantee the server hasn't fabricated data.
ascii_field: tale is variant of 'death by bunga-bunga'
mircea_popescu: << no dood, the situation's exactly reversed here. assbot fixed some problems, it's up to nanotube to support it in gribble, which he said he was going to eventually do.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:25:35; thestringpuller: its up to kako if he wants to support it with asswot
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 14:45:54; funkenstein_: that's right "the gold market" is a single entity which works towards being "less manipulated".
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: how goes
mircea_popescu: << consensus is undesirable. but actually, as implemented, assbot does work perfectly for the purpose(s).
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:07:09; Adlai: this is a good point... even if each wot rating is signed, this can be a false friend - what if you're not looking at the latest version of the ratings? if only we had some way of achieving trust-minimized consensus...
mircea_popescu: ahahaha who the fuck came up with this shit. seriously, photoshop "Refuses to open" somethng ?
mircea_popescu: and the user's reaction is anything but getting a 28 inch dropforged wrench and beating it into a pulp. without grease. ?
danielpbarron: "i don't want to learn a new thing"
mircea_popescu: i suppose i might be the only techno-enabled sociopath that disassembled misbehaving hardware/software and let them do X for a while, by themselves, in the dark.
mircea_popescu: like this lazy cd rom that wouldn't spin properly which ended up plucked out, connected straight to power and let spin until it ground itself off.
mircea_popescu: god fucking help any piece of machinery that "just says no"
mircea_popescu: << in sovietlandia one had to "Register" his typewriter, after all.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:18:04; asciilifeform: 'for your own good' of course
bitstein: mircea_popescu: assbot model is much improved over gribble model. there's no more sessions, so you're mostly battling with a solved problem there. << doing an auth for each request is definitely an improvement, but can you elaborate on how that solves the problem?
mircea_popescu: well lets start by you stating the problem ?
mircea_popescu: << it uses meta-yellow ink. you dunno how world works.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 15:28:39; nubbins`: (how? because the yellow tank contains black ink!)
mircea_popescu: lol at the fluffypony businessoutsider link. EXCITING! may become the new AMAZING, as a new generation of idiots moves into bitcoin scam pushing.
mircea_popescu: these are artists.
fluffypony: it's this new trend
fluffypony: and if you shout it loudly enough and often enough it must be true, amiright?
mircea_popescu: << once they couldn't find anything but the same social studies rejects to "write"
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:05:03; thestringpuller: when did businessinsider become gawker?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony im sure it's so totally going to work like all the previous attempts did, which is why we're here.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: I am under the impression that if they wanted to, kako or nano could publish ratings under any name as they please. Is this correct? If so, how can someone viewing the WoT db have certainty that information they see is as the rater intended? GPG signing would be one solution.
mircea_popescu: bitstein this is true for both of them, currently. this happens to also not be a problem because a) they could do this once ; and b) the way you're supposed to use this tool is by asking the raters about their ratings.
mircea_popescu: as pere the entire "wot is not an oilfield with trust as oil".
jurov: !rate bitstein -10 fake rating
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
mircea_popescu: note that changing this model for "maintain signed ratings" does not help : either of them could show OLD rather than current ratings, which would still be undetectable.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: b is an important point, thanks. As for old rather than current ratings, that's where shasums and deedbot could come in to help.
jurov: bitstein, looks like you want to reinvent the blockchain or sidechain
mircea_popescu: on the other side of the fence there is this (i suspect irrational) notion that pumping out signed material weakens the signer key.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: you would have the hash of the db timestamped, so you can verify that the rating is current as of a certain point (given you have the data to recreate the hash)
mircea_popescu: how would you know when the rating's supposed to be ?
mircea_popescu: i have ratings i made 2 years ago.
indiancandy1: wat u doin
mircea_popescu: talkin to guys. you ?
mircea_popescu: bitstein take otc-wot rating #14167 on pirateat40, made 2012-08-29 03:14:41. how do you know this is current ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14995 @ 0.00025247 = 3.7858 BTC [+]
bitstein: mircea_popescu: Right, it wouldn't prevent the server from not publishing a rating
mircea_popescu: << omaigawds stop your fud, everyone knows the turing machine only had 1 and 0. 2256 should be plenty for everyone.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:29:55; Adlai: still a little silly for the platform bandied about as turing-complete to lack actual bignums
mircea_popescu: bitstein inasmuch as you want a central repository, you're stuck with a central repository. if you look into the design papers / discussions around gossipd, this is also a well solved problem, just,
mircea_popescu: takes a while to implement, because
mircea_popescu: ;;seen artifexd
gribble: artifexd was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 16 minutes, and 45 seconds ago: <artifexd> Oh, actually that is complaining about one of the golang tools. And it would be dangerous if you had a MITM that could swap out code inflight and were importing external code directly.
mircea_popescu: hm, he had a link with the fixing the lightbulb thing. anyway.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:34:10; *: Adlai is fairly certain that phuctor is written in cl
mircea_popescu: << there is the !t command. but i think the idea is, if you see it happen you hafta say.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 16:55:12; PeterL: uses assbot at a resolution source, does assbot keep historical price records?
artifexd: The implementation isn't that hard. It is the education that is time consuming.
mircea_popescu: implementation without education bears monsters.
mircea_popescu: << yeah that's kinda what keeps these in line.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 17:30:36; PeterL: what I mean is there is such a small amount bet on the bet, you might spend more than you would win holding the price up. Spend tens of btc to win .003 btc?
mircea_popescu: << the basic idea, idiot hostile hardware, is a brilliant idea.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 17:54:27; ascii_field: the basic idea - owner-hostile hardware - is gaining ground.
mircea_popescu: this notion that "any people is a people" and computer should be nice to everyone that touches it is nonsense.
mircea_popescu: computer is a woman. it's the woman's job to make loser's life insufferable.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: Thanks. I'll continue reading/thinking about it.
mircea_popescu: sole purpose the world even exists.
mircea_popescu: bitstein what are you trying to do incidentally ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11215 @ 0.00025068 = 2.8114 BTC [-] {2}
bitstein: mircea_popescu: I've just been playing with gpg authentication in flask, and I'm trying to better understand how the WoT (in its current implementation) mitigates various risks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17577 @ 0.00024634 = 4.3299 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: aha. worthy goal.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10435 @ 0.00024818 = 2.5898 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform re the entire "cinavia" stuff, it seems to me trivial to bypass.
mircea_popescu: then again, i have actually never used a "music cd player", and i don't imagine i ever will.
mircea_popescu: the entire "the watermark is able to survive recording through microphones" is utter bull, so it defeats analog copy. you can trivially remasterize a soundtrack, and if you know what to look for you just nuke it and nobody will even know.
brendafdez: "Even if distribution as a means of payment continues to increase, the system's advantage – decentralization – is also its biggest drawback. Unlike legal tender, there is no authority that guarantees the value of the currency, and bitcoin does not benefit from the resulting confidence. In the end, this confidence is crucial for any currency whose usage extends beyond the exchange of goods."
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brendafdez: ws-and-expertise/news/banking.article.html/article/pwp/news-and-expertise/2015/03/en/bitcoins-money-without-physical-form.html
assbot: Bitcoins – Money Without Physical Form  - Banking - Credit Suisse ... ( )
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the costs for this pointless idiocy is, that somehow a "commercial" product became MANDATORY.
mircea_popescu: this is not worth the foregoing even if it worked.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez yeah, they'd know.
mircea_popescu: i'm personally waiting for the credit suisse article about the loss of confidence in swiss banks as a result of them selling out their customers to usg & friends.
mircea_popescu: somehow they're not as emphatically knowledgeable on that topic. good that they know how to posture about "confidence" re bitcoin instead.
mircea_popescu: ima go read this article right before i go interview some lepers about best hygiene and diet practices.
brendafdez: the future holds much lols ahead
mircea_popescu: "On 5 June 2009, the licensing agreements for AACS were finalized, which were updated to make Cinavia detection on commercial Blu-ray Disc players a requirement. On 3 July 2009, Maxim Anisiutkin published an open source DVD Audio watermark detector and neutralizer computer program to the SourceForge web site. The software package contains a detailed description of the method and embedding parameters used in creating th
mircea_popescu: e DVD Audio or SDMI (Secure Digital Music Initiative) watermark, which was created by Verance Inc and was the earlier version of the Cinavia watermarking technology."
mircea_popescu: heh nm me.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` : one face : name, nickname, key. other face : qntra verbiage.
mircea_popescu: << different height different distance different usable cargoload.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 18:11:57; PeterL: wright brothers were working in their garage
mircea_popescu: << well, at least it's one that admits to it. new york times is a publicly traded non profit.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 18:12:56; funkenstein_: it's a publicly traded non profit ?
mircea_popescu: << he's not a cunt, he's a typical usg bureaucrat.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 18:54:36; nubbins`: "Things we dont need: " <followed by several actual solutions
mircea_popescu: if you spend any time talking to us congressmen and senators, various czars of agencies large or small, etc etc, this is EXACTLY the sort of thing that ends up coallescing.
mircea_popescu: there was a video with a poor chinese guy trying to explain to a roomfull of idiots that you can't make square circles or something.
mircea_popescu: "freebsdgirl" loller.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_modem
mircea_popescu: << you can train children to do anything. for some reason usians chose to train them to eat that sutff.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 19:14:34; nubbins`: tv;dw: kids are shown raw truth of chicken nuggets being made from scratch, right in front of them, "EWW GROSSS" etc, then all clamor over each other to eat the fried result
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19500 @ 0.00024644 = 4.8056 BTC [-] {3}
ascii_modem: somehow a "commercial" product became MANDATORY. << ample precedent, e.g., 'macrovision'
mircea_popescu: that and beatings.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem how is it commercial then ?
mircea_popescu: it's cohercial product.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu these business cards will be a headless chicken unless either (a) someone decides on basics like paper/ink color or (b) you give me free reign and accept that some/all recipients will be sad pandas
ascii_modem: and cleaning watermarks up without introducing palpable noise is harder than it looks
mircea_popescu: nubbins` atm im waiting a little to give teh interested parties chance to take over the process.
mircea_popescu: after which we see.
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem why ?
nubbins`: np, understood
mircea_popescu: identify the mark spots, revert half.
ascii_modem: no spots
mircea_popescu: ftr, it seems a 13% decrease in pitch defeats it
mircea_popescu: and actually a bevy of other such measures.
ascii_modem: waveform composited onto signal
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem think about it,it ?HAS to be sampled. of course spots.
ascii_modem: 13 pitch - lol now sounds like broken tape
BingoBoingo liked the Black and Gold, just thinks the text needs a tweak.
ascii_modem: no spots unless retarded engineer
ascii_modem: affects -whole- signal
ascii_modem: additive wave
mircea_popescu: i am willing to stake money on the lemma that "no method of publicly accessible encoding into audio signal can be made that can not also be reversed".
mircea_popescu: this isn't g p fuckin' g over here.
ascii_modem: exists for graphics- stirmark contest
jurov: wow mircea can revert wav-> mp3 ?
ascii_modem: so far stirmark wins always
mircea_popescu: eh no fuckin way.
ascii_modem: but audio has a good bit of slack bs video
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem so you're telling me there's f(data, pic.png) - > pic1.png so that a) i can read f and b) i can't didle pic1.png into pic2.png so you can't read data ?
ascii_modem: (stirmark is open src app for zapping graphical watermarks)
ascii_modem: always can
mircea_popescu: exactly.
ascii_modem: make it all black
mircea_popescu: sound no different.
mircea_popescu: they stay pic.png
mircea_popescu: jurov sure ?
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
jurov: mircea_popescu: if i encode wav-> mp3 and place barely audible artifacts just so
jurov: how do you revert?
ascii_modem: the correct solution always removes. recall radio jammer thread.
indiancandy1: hiyaback biatches
jurov: you can jam but not revert
mircea_popescu: jurov ffmpeg jurov.mp3 jurov.wav
jurov: lmaoooo
ascii_modem: but you don't always -have- the decoder
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem but here yo udo.
jurov: the decoder will either reover the artifacts as intended
ascii_modem: unless enemy foolishly gave it to you
jurov: or introduce other ones
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem consumer fucking products. the decoder is open.
indiancandy1: whose got instagram
ascii_modem: here you do. just need electron microskop
mircea_popescu: not what we were discussing tho.
ascii_modem: if you have it in software, there is no real puzzle
mircea_popescu: argument to fucking ignorance, all this. "here's the fence that i made. it doesn't work, but if everyone made fences and we all agreed not to jump them then nobody could tell the difference"
mircea_popescu: yeah dude, totally. sounds like a plan
mircea_popescu: a plan to make a lot of mongol babies.
ascii_modem: aha drm folk
brendafdez: dont defeat the defeatable fence or else...
mircea_popescu: and this brings us to the actual point i was making :
mircea_popescu: it RUINS people, this. their minds, it rots.
nubbins`: re: wav->mp3->wav
mircea_popescu: living in this circumstance is very very bad because it makes one stupid.
mircea_popescu: once your "commerical products" are "mandatory" it's not just music you broke. you broke economy.
nubbins`: please tell me that you're not implying you can reconstruct lost information discarded by a codec
funkenstein_: You can’t never go wrong cuttin’ fence.…Always cut fence. -- seldom seen smith
mircea_popescu: now your kids won't be able to compete with their kids, because your kids are stupid.
nubbins`: is this like CSI security cam footage?
ascii_modem: incidentally it is worth remembering how it works
nubbins`: *clickity clack* "enhance"
mircea_popescu: and then you spend more to educate them, and the more you spend the stupider they get.
ascii_modem: idiot hollywood types -demand- drm snakeoil
mircea_popescu: and so you lost at life, all through this inept bullshit of "if we pretend it works anyway it'll really work!!1"
mircea_popescu: ascii_modem who asked them anything /
jurov: mircea your premise is good but arguments flawed
indiancandy1: u lot are deep
ascii_modem: charlatans materialize always, to give it to them
indiancandy1: always ignore me
mircea_popescu: this is the almighty, societal-saving importance of "fhut the suck up, nobody asked you anything"
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 well we don't use instagram!
ascii_modem: except hollywood and 'intellectual property' racket in general is core usg
mircea_popescu: it can be the core of its own mother for all the difference it makes.
brendafdez: indiancandy1 i'm not deep, just like pretending sometimes. those who are see right thru :3
mircea_popescu: "sorry to tell you sir, you have cancer" "you know who i am ? i am the usg czar for rounded corners" "oh, in that case...umm... it's a skin condition. put some aloe on it."
ascii_modem: whip the sea
ascii_modem: but also the soldiers
indiancandy1: yes i figured
indiancandy1: u are a big softy
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 ever seen my penis btw ?
ascii_modem: it was posted
brendafdez: indiancandy1 thats a compliment? bi softy
mircea_popescu: jurov im not so sure. then again im clueless enough about this stuff...
mircea_popescu: mine's perforce a very theoretical perspective.
ascii_modem: brb buying compressor hose (srsly)
mircea_popescu: don't insert in anuses!
nubbins`: srsly!
nubbins`: dat embolism
jurov: youre talking about "reverting" when you mean jamming the watermark
indiancandy1: mp u wana send me a pic
indiancandy1: brenda is in the buidling
indiancandy1: hey brenda babe
brendafdez: indiancandy1 hey :)
assbot: NSFW - Pula mea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
jurov: sup indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: jurov myeah.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` exploded cavitous organs != embolism yo.
indiancandy1: is that a dildo
indiancandy1: wtf is that
indiancandy1: dnt tell meu fuck ur bitches with that
mircea_popescu: when one gets camho's going "Wtf is that"...
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 it's why anal sex is best sex. unlike vagina, ass just keeps going.
brendafdez: mircea_popescu you did post pictures of an actual penis in some other trilema article, if I remember right...
indiancandy1: u give anal
indiancandy1: or take it up thre bum
mircea_popescu: don't normal-opress my cock yo!
mircea_popescu: also, people, tuna is to be canned in oil not fucking water wtf is this.
punkman: watery tuna is for noobs
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mircea_popescu: real transylvanians have their tuna canned in hard cream!
indiancandy1: no btw
indiancandy1: tuna is canned in
indiancandy1: oil or brine or water
assbot: "Why I am not a white nationalist" pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
punkman: has to be olive
mircea_popescu: ahaha flattering, but it's only a model.
mircea_popescu: shit that was a long article. almost as long as the dong.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 19:46:26; nubbins`: "do you have a card?" "no" "....."
nubbins`: have had happen, it's embarassing.
mircea_popescu: mp often turns and goes "give him a card" like he's teh baws of it all.
mircea_popescu: << thing is, i'm not so invested in being remembered by my card.
assbot: Logged on 23-03-2015 19:51:37; ascii_field: but most of all, memorable
nubbins`: name's more memorable
nubbins`: every nose that's wrinkled in disgust at our business name is a nose that'll remember it
mircea_popescu: "i always remember not to order from these weirdos"
mircea_popescu: "you said you want an escort ?" "yes. but not pink lips studios! I HAVE TRIGGERS"
nubbins`: should be a fun summer for us this year
nubbins`: big competition is changing hands
mircea_popescu: (for a while highschool convention on "who's going" was... wearing pink lipstick. then tattoos got started.)
mircea_popescu: i sort-of wonder what kids do today
mircea_popescu: prolly an app huh.
nubbins`: yeah
nubbins`: sextogram or something
mircea_popescu: seems reasonable. "if can't find her naked pics anywhere, no point bothering with her"
nubbins`: the fact that the competition is changing hands, incidentally, is made slightly more interesting by the fact that pascale is precisely half of the employee list of the competition
mircea_popescu: "big" === "two employees" ?
mircea_popescu: you're just a bunch of weird bored middle class dudes in a cul de sac somewhere pretending to be printing in between wife swappings aren;t you.
nubbins`: heh.
nubbins`: send me $100 and a mailing address
mircea_popescu: sort-of like dallas and stuff of the era. "now you're married to her and running this company. ok, now she moves on to him, and the company to him, etc"
mircea_popescu: what was it, the seinfeld contemporaneous thing
mircea_popescu: melrose place.
nubbins`: all play and no work makes a tv drama
nubbins`: anyway, even two printers can pump out a massive volume of shirts
nubbins`: "big competition" total incoming/outgoing maybe 900btc/year
mircea_popescu: yeah indiancandy1 why don't you live like that ? find some nice boring guys to get spitroasted by.
indiancandy1: im a shit gold digger
indiancandy1: i cnt sleep with ugly rich guys
indiancandy1: else i would
mircea_popescu: why not ?!
indiancandy1: n not be broke
indiancandy1: i duno
indiancandy1: if fucks with my head man
mircea_popescu: that's thje idea.
indiancandy1: coz i met plenty
indiancandy1: i never met a hot rich guy who aint a player
indiancandy1: why duh
mircea_popescu: obviously a hot rich guy isn't going to monogamy.
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: til nubbins` is ugly.
indiancandy1: exactly
indiancandy1: i met ugly rich guys
indiancandy1: who wanna settle
indiancandy1: i cnt do it
indiancandy1: nasty ofos
mircea_popescu: well you settle for a little.
indiancandy1: i swear
indiancandy1: i wish i could
indiancandy1: i hate myself
mircea_popescu: this seems to be a theme here. but i thought only guys did it.
brendafdez: hating themselves?
mircea_popescu: (obv. im being facetious. you know this, but the guys themselves don't. )
indiancandy1: do you hate yourself
mircea_popescu: me ? nah.
mircea_popescu: i let others do the hard work.
indiancandy1: no one hates you
indiancandy1: why would they
indiancandy1: u a big softy
brendafdez: because he says ugly turths
indiancandy1: who owns woodcoin
mircea_popescu: brendafdez more "because he seems to know it hurts and be amused by the circumstance"
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i own some! but otherwise, funkenstein
indiancandy1: any goodd?
indiancandy1: mircea
indiancandy1: kefatch
indiancandy1: aahahah sorry
indiancandy1: im tryna learn romanian
mircea_popescu: ce faci :p
indiancandy1: wat u doing babes
mircea_popescu: reading, mostly.
mircea_popescu: the article with the penis brendafdez linked above.
mircea_popescu: it's pretty fucking stupid, i dunno why i keep doing this thing where i comment on some idiot's rants.
brendafdez: i don't multithread, if I'm here I'm just here, reading the channel.
mircea_popescu: sure, gets in some good points from the side, but the deluge of dumb brings the whole thing down.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez im also eating chocolatebananaraisin with san juan.
indiancandy1: whats san juan
brendafdez: chocolatebananaraisin? sounds good... i guess
indiancandy1: WHAT is that
nubbins`: i'll never be ugly
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 this local cognac thing. pretty good
indiancandy1: its alcohol
mircea_popescu: nubbins` to your credit, i thought you were way fatter than the cats show.
indiancandy1: whats the chocolateraisin a donut
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 no the actual ingredients. a bag of pasas de uva. a bag of la pinocha. a banana.
indiancandy1: i wish i knew what u were talking about
indiancandy1: im not from argentina not familiar bro
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 anyway, why not study to be a nurse ? it pays well.
indiancandy1: my moms a nurse
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'm comely when supine
indiancandy1: she is a gum nurse
mircea_popescu: you'll still be catering to ugly old schmoes, but at least this tiem have a good pretext.
nubbins`: you should see me on top ;/
indiancandy1: sexual health
mircea_popescu: plus if you suck a cock once in a blue moon you'll be popular as all hell.
indiancandy1: nurses dont get paid good in the uk
mircea_popescu: srsly ?!
nubbins`: but at least the meds are cheap
indiancandy1: around 1200 gbp
indiancandy1: for 5days a week
mircea_popescu: no fucking way ?!
mircea_popescu: they make easily twice that in the us.
indiancandy1: 1200 pounds a month
indiancandy1: yea but healthcare isnt free in usa
indiancandy1: like here
nubbins`: free isn't free 8)
indiancandy1: maybe private health care nurse make more
brendafdez: hahah was going to say that, no free lunch
indiancandy1: but my mom is sexual health clinic
indiancandy1: so thats free
mircea_popescu: what's she do there ?
indiancandy1: shes a nurse for sexual health
indiancandy1: for ladies
indiancandy1: so like check the vagina you kknow
indiancandy1: for sexual diseases
indiancandy1: but they changed the system
indiancandy1: before the nurse had 2 do swabs herself on the patient
indiancandy1: but now its a cotton bud u insert urself in toilet and then put it in the tube
mircea_popescu: btw, ask her what's the similarity between a practicing gynecologist and a healthy dog.
indiancandy1: there is a machine that does all the work now
indiancandy1: so before they had to do the swabs and all but now no just blood test
indiancandy1: i duno about the seriose diseases how they work with that
indiancandy1: i dont ask
indiancandy1: like hiv etc
assbot: Chinese hospitals introduce hands-free automatic 'sperm extractor' for donors (that even play videos to 'help') | Daily Mail Online ... ( )
mircea_popescu: the country of cheap hand labour. oh, how the mighthy have fallen.
indiancandy1: i like ur name
indiancandy1: pierre rochard
indiancandy1: exotic sounds like a disney character
indiancandy1: u need to get on instagram yo
trinque: loooool
brendafdez: it even has rounded crners, dont ask
indiancandy1: its fun
indiancandy1: what has rounded corners
indiancandy1: the sperm donor thing
brendafdez: instagram
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 what do you mean "it's fun"
indiancandy1: her ipples
indiancandy1: nipples look fucked
indiancandy1: the older lady
indiancandy1: i hate nipples like that
brendafdez: he ventured into twitter and things didn't end well... someone got death threats and stuff
indiancandy1: look like they been slapped on
indiancandy1: but the other girl looks sexy
mircea_popescu: eh stop being so critical.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez ftr, my twitter account is from before o'reilly discovered bitcoin / created a house "expert".
mircea_popescu: but it's been abandoned longer than used, because well... the platform's retarded.
indiancandy1: i got better nipples obvios
trinque: mircea_popescu: if it's the same handle as IRC, got suspended
brendafdez: he has another one unused
brendafdez: i think
mircea_popescu: trinque yeah that one. 2009 iirc
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mircea_popescu: because at the time all the fuckable ro chicks were like "mp, come on twitter, its fun"
brendafdez: hahahahaha :) instagram is tha future
mircea_popescu: yeah, the future of flies.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 so when are you coming to argentina ? find yourself a nice brazillian bf, etc ?
indiancandy1: when you sponsor me
indiancandy1: can i stay at our house
indiancandy1: your|*
mircea_popescu: well you could but then you'll hafta do all sorts of things.
indiancandy1: like get you drunk
indiancandy1: take you clubbing
indiancandy1: be ur wing man
mircea_popescu: lol. not at first.
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: you gotta get in the wot already yo.
mircea_popescu: why let everyone think beauty and brains don't mix ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13900 @ 0.00025524 = 3.5478 BTC [+]
indiancandy1: i need to
brendafdez: Bc it gives hope to those of us who are ugly, or doesn't it work like that? Ok, now i don't even want to know... ;)
indiancandy1: but i need help
indiancandy1: can u teach me how
indiancandy1: .........
indiancandy1: waites
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15800 @ 0.00025605 = 4.0456 BTC [+] {2}
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0002489 = 2.6383 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: see that indiancandy1 where it says "first steps in bitcoin assets"
indiancandy1: where should i look
mircea_popescu: on the left.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20700 @ 0.00024899 = 5.1541 BTC [+] {2}
indiancandy1: i cant find it
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki] ... ( )
indiancandy1: all this text
indiancandy1: giving me head ake
nubbins`: zzzz
indiancandy1: dont be rude
indiancandy1: nubins
indiancandy1: about zzz
assbot: scalability - What are the arguments for and against the increase of the block size limit? - Bitcoin Stack Exchange ... ( )
brendafdez: i was asked to translate a piece of utter stupudity about "btc scalability" for a certain website. I'm making $30 on this but it sucks.
brendafdez: having to translate braindamage
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is murch, other than a guy with a skin rash, which he imagines comes from reading stuf online rather than from poor hygiene
mircea_popescu: sucks to be you i guess.
indiancandy1: whose murch
brendafdez: who? me?
indiancandy1: ahahah
mircea_popescu: brendafdez yeah you.
indiancandy1: when you booking my flight
brendafdez: I don't think it sucks too badly, but maybe as compared to being mp... ;)
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 a while after your tits are on the article, for sure.
indiancandy1: which article
brendafdez: hahah she refused the 0.1 BTC last time
nubbins`: a whole dime
nubbins`: !s dime
assbot: 88 results for 'dime' :
indiancandy1: come on
mircea_popescu: tough work eh.
indiancandy1: my tits are worth more baby brenda
mircea_popescu: it's supposed to be unappealing. that's what keeps you in your current rut.
mircea_popescu: water in teh glass.
nubbins`: clean glass? here y'go, your highness
indiancandy1: youu lost me
brendafdez: i wouldn't doubt it, indiancandy1, but I'd be more convinced if they were posted on trilema
nubbins`: you should probably ctrl-c that
indiancandy1: mp most my tits
indiancandy1: on trilema
indiancandy1: get them more famous
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7473 @ 0.00024547 = 1.8344 BTC [-]
brendafdez: Now you're paying him 0.1 for it :P
nubbins`: mine are on there
indiancandy1: nubbins send url
assbot: I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: << Tim Swanson is making his own personal wot! confound this whole thing, who said independent minded texan has to kiss teh pinky pope ring!11
assbot: What is the blockchain hard fork “missile crisis?” | Great Wall of Numbers ... ( )
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: i like thr 3rd girls nipples
mircea_popescu: ;;seen sexysaffron
gribble: sexysaffron was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 37 weeks, 0 days, 0 hours, 17 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <sexysaffron> ok!
indiancandy1: i remember her
indiancandy1: she did the utube vdeo
mircea_popescu: fetish chick.
indiancandy1: for 50dollars
indiancandy1: or something
indiancandy1: tits 4 30 dollars
brendafdez: beat mine hands down? :3 I'm sure you do
mircea_popescu: lol you're too price driven. gotta be service driven to succeed, you're a woman after all.
mircea_popescu: ask not what this produces for me, ask instead how i could best serve.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez how does one beat tits ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, metaphorically.
indiancandy1: brenda
indiancandy1: is that u
indiancandy1: ur cute yo
brendafdez: by havinf a more squishy pair i dunno. Yes, that's me. Not now, i downloaded it from somewhere, but still me :P
indiancandy1: dont tel me 10years back
indiancandy1: ur pretty girl
brendafdez: no, like 1 year ago
mircea_popescu: so earlier trinque dumps trinquette, now indiancandy1 finds true love in brendafdez...
mircea_popescu: truely teh lord taketh, the lord giveth away.
indiancandy1: ahahah
indiancandy1: whose trinque
trinque: o/^ a time to be born; a time to die o/^
mircea_popescu: brb having my cock sucked again
mircea_popescu: the first one didn't take.
brendafdez: indiancandy1 he was the guy writing yesterday night about the issues with his wife/gf/something
indiancandy1: this is 4 u mp
indiancandy1: old pic
indiancandy1: im looking 4 recent
indiancandy1: nipple pic
brendafdez: you're top quality, i can't compete :) but I have picture with the mazagazine with lots of issues: the background says what a slob I am...
indiancandy1: nice nail colur
indiancandy1: ur pretty
indiancandy1: babes************
brendafdez: thx it's the same I have on now <3
indiancandy1: dont forget u are fabulous
thestringpuller: lol mircea_popescu we are desiging your fortress/palace with a trap to push niggas down
thestringpuller: dat fall damage
indiancandy1: brenda have u met mp
indiancandy1: he lives near u
brendafdez: supposedly we inhabit the same city
brendafdez: indiancandy but for sure, i was here first ;)
thestringpuller: trinque: essentially
asciilifeform opens crate with the ill-fated rngs (nominally - reworked)
brendafdez: but maybe they were REALLY random and you couldn't appreciate their kind of randomness u.u poor little things
brendafdez: I never had much success as to dating/sex/relationships, so I mostly learned languages through porn. One of my language learning resources for German back in 2007 was i was an awesome place, and there was even another similar site, which must still be around. I never saw anything like this in English- or Spanish-land. There are som subreddits for used underwear and some girls sell theirs on eb
brendafdez: ay and such but nothing compares to PP and YP. And I have to wonder why during all these years nothing has emerged to occupy this space.
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
indiancandy1: u learnt languages because of porn
indiancandy1: that is classic statement
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10350 @ 0.00024547 = 2.5406 BTC [-]
assbot: PicsCrazy - simple image hosting ... ( )
trinque: that's a better excuse than "for the story"
indiancandy1: my tits 2days back
brendafdez: through porn, nothing else works
brendafdez: indiancandy they are awesome <3 those tits. I feel guilty now that I made you start posting pics :)
brendafdez: !up indiancandy1_
brendafdez: !up indiancandy1
brendafdez: indiancandy1 indiancandy1_ now I'm confused...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00023854 = 5.8442 BTC [-] {2}
brendafdez: bc there's two of you in chan
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6450 @ 0.00023527 = 1.5175 BTC [-]
indiancandy1_: s there
indiancandy1_: some loser is imposting me
indiancandy1_: how gay
indiancandy1_: some real sad fuckjer
brendafdez: How can we know which one is for real? care to gpg sign something? :P
indiancandy1_: who can go suck his moms vagina
brendafdez: no, now for real, didn't you register your username?
indiancandy1_: but u no
indiancandy1_: this happens 2 m
indiancandy1_: quite often
indiancandy1_: i dont get the wot thing mircea talkin about
asciilifeform: trinque: i forgot to ask, who is/was lena dunham ?
indiancandy1_: its to complex
asciilifeform: trinque: specifically as it pertains to the woman
gabriel_laddel: indiancandy1_: read more
gabriel_laddel: indiancandy1_: start at
trinque: asciilifeform: lol, just the writer of HBO junk food
brendafdez: You have to talk to NickServ and say register <password> <email>
indiancandy1_: it hurts my eyes
asciilifeform: trinque: yes, i was able to discover that much. but why the emotion.
brendafdez: first you register your username, then you start thinking about the wot
assbot: Logged on 17-03-2015 16:28:18; pete_dushenski: i'd never had a ball boy before and it. was. sweet.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 << scam
assbot: NSFW - Pula mea pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
trinque: asciilifeform: see pm, and also that said person consider herself an artist
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18950 @ 0.00023527 = 4.4584 BTC [-]
indiancandy1_: why r u cominin on my name
indiancandy1_: that is real lame
indiancandy1_: i liked u b4
gabriel_laddel: .furrybait
trinque: indiancandy1_: not hard to register
indiancandy1_: there is no pooint
trinque: /msg nickserv register <your password> <your email>
indiancandy1_: whatever like
indiancandy1_: i dont get it
gabriel_laddel: !down indiancandy1_
trinque: gabriel_laddel: sir you've blocked the influx of tits
trinque: this is a cardinal sin
brendafdez: indiancandy1_ just wanted to see if your nickname was actually squatted, it is.
gabriel_laddel: trinque: I'm trying to teach her the WoT
brendafdez: but you downed her :(
gabriel_laddel: hit her over the head with it... perhaps she'll grok?
gabriel_laddel: you can up her
gabriel_laddel: I'm not going to do anything, just... read moar
brendafdez: i'm the nowest one around, that might be a faux pas...
trinque: having not done so, I'm aware of the lesson being taught
trinque: yet... tits!
trinque: !up indiancandy1_
trinque: indiancandy1_: register yo nick!
indiancandy1_: i duno how to man
indiancandy1_: i cant understand it
trinque: indiancandy1_: that thing I said
indiancandy1_: the site
indiancandy1_: with the text
indiancandy1_: i dont get it
danielpbarron: indiancandy1_, what operating system is on your computer?
indiancandy1_: windows
brendafdez: danielpbarron you have to ask
danielpbarron: ok, first step is to remove windows
danielpbarron: i guess before you do that, prepare a flash drive with an installer for openbsd or gentoo or something
indiancandy1_: i cant not use windows yo
danielpbarron: indiancandy1_, because winblows is insecure malware masquerading as an operating system
danielpbarron: you are smart enough to keep coming back here
danielpbarron: give yourself a little credit
brendafdez: you're scaring her, let her register the nick before
danielpbarron: well yeah, you can register nick with nickserv as you are now
trinque: gabriel_laddel: already seen 'em
indiancandy1_: daniel didnt even understand what u mean
danielpbarron: winblows is bad
trinque: danielpbarron: installing an OS is going to be too much at once
indiancandy1_: but the other things are complex
indiancandy1_: do you use apple
danielpbarron: shouldn't take longer than 6 months to figure out :p
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brendafdez: indiancandy1: Once you try linux, you come asking for more
danielpbarron: indiancandy1_, no; there is more than just winblows and crapple
indiancandy1_: you and your names
indiancandy1_: i use my laptop for basic things thoigh
indiancandy1_: browsing chating social media
indiancandy1_: thats it
brendafdez: with windows your laptop uses you
brendafdez: not just your laptop
danielpbarron: so why do you use such a bloated complicated piece of garbage OS?
indiancandy1_: whats OS?
danielpbarron: operating system
indiancandy1_: what do you recomend
danielpbarron: gentoo or openbsd
trinque: lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end
trinque: SPLOOSH
danielpbarron: openbsd has an autoinstaller but might not do everything you'd like
indiancandy1_: okay will look into it
trinque: indiancandy1_: it's literally as simple as what I typed
trinque: IRC has commands which are preceded by slash
indiancandy1_: literally i browse online
indiancandy1_: i do cam shows
trinque: msg sends a message to a name
indiancandy1_: listen 2 music chat
indiancandy1_: thats it
danielpbarron: indiancandy1_, what web browser do you use?
indiancandy1_: oh and i watch movies online
trinque: /msg nickserv means send a message to nickserv
danielpbarron: chromium works flawless on gentoo
danielpbarron: that's what i use
indiancandy1_: why do you change the names
danielpbarron: it's *better* on *nix than on winblows
danielpbarron: it's called chromium on linux
trinque: danielpbarron: yeah I find that to be true as well
brendafdez: trinque how do you comment the "/"?
trinque: brendafdez: if you do two
indiancandy1_: so im looking into gentoo
indiancandy1_: i got windows 8 atm
trinque: only necessary at the beginning
danielpbarron: i can play youtube videos and do twitter / instagram / facebook / whatever
indiancandy1_: and webcam?
danielpbarron: haven't tried that
brendafdez: no, linux is srs os, no webcam :P
danielpbarron: nobody wants to see my knockers
indiancandy1_: can u webcam
indiancandy1_: like use it on skype etc
danielpbarron: idk lemme try google hangouts i guess
brendafdez: if you absolutely want to use skype, you can. All else you mention, you can.
indiancandy1_: i do skype shows
indiancandy1_: linux is good right
brendafdez: Skype is rogue, I gather there are safe(r) ways to run it anyway.
trinque: nsa gon get ya tits
trinque: frankly a Ubuntu live cd is probably a more sensible first try
trinque: make a stick with ubnetbootin or whatever
brendafdez: it calls home and sends encrypted traffic even when idle, so you never know what it's doing.
indiancandy1_: ubuntu is that a african tribe
indiancandy1_: it sounds familiaer
trinque: lol
indiancandy1_: seriose
brendafdez: my first distro was ubuntu-based, I wish I had started with something else
BingoBoingo: Ubuntu is traditional African software, from Rhodesia
danielpbarron: i can't in good conscience recommend nigbuntu
danielpbarron: lol "ubuntu based" such meta
indiancandy1_: rhodesia doesnt exist
indiancandy1_: anymore
indiancandy1_: its zambia
danielpbarron: sadly :<
trinque: I mean just to have something that boots to a thing with a mouse pointer
trinque: "k, this is linux"
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1_: It's still Rhodesia in my heart
trinque: arch/gentoo/bsd ass torture later
indiancandy1_: you from there
brendafdez: torture as in enjoyable?
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1_: Nah, just heard stories
danielpbarron: it's really not so hard!
trinque: brendafdez: gentoo quest is now boring for me, but sure
trinque: rpg where you diddle nobs on an infinite wall forever
brendafdez: I want to go the Arch way, never do
danielpbarron: if you must compromise, debian is not yet systemd-ified
indiancandy1_: bingo u lier
indiancandy1_: u never heard no stories
brendafdez: head is starting to ache, more coffee will do...
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1_: I heard it was named after a dude who funded a bunch of scholarships. Don't see how there could be anything bad in that.
asciilifeform misread 'google hangouts' as 'google handouts', almost fell down
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danielpbarron: well my webcam worked on ubuntu so it would probably work on gentoo if i recompiled my kernel to allow it
indiancandy1_: is ur cam a plugin
indiancandy1_: or inbuikt
danielpbarron: it's built in
danielpbarron: that doesn't mean yours would work necessarily
danielpbarron: i guess it wouldn't hurt to make an ubntu installer flash drive and use it to boot live and see if your hardware is supported by a linux kernel in general
danielpbarron: do you have an old computer lying around that you can use as your offline machine?
brendafdez: resisting the temptation to install it will be to much
danielpbarron: well installing it would mean wiping out her winblows stuff
brendafdez: she can always do dp ehhr... dual boot
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Her big issue is supporting the cam tools. Ubuntu is probably going to be fine for the camera in general, Iffier for skype. Probably not possible for her to use all of the tools she could need for work on OpenBSD/Gentoo without going through hell and rewriting some of them.
danielpbarron: lol so ubuntu is linux for girls
trinque: and for white guilt
brendafdez: I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like
indiancandy1_: i have aa laptop
indiancandy1_: i dont own pcs
indiancandy1_: i got 2 laptops
indiancandy1_: one samsung notebook thing
indiancandy1_: and this hp touchscreen thing
danielpbarron: i knew a chick that used ubuntu before i had given up windows completely, and she wasn't ugly either! looking back on it that was quite exceptional
danielpbarron: reminds me of the theo treatment
trinque: attestation of female compliance lol
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Oh, you emailed theo or what?
danielpbarron: !up Bagels7
trinque: "k now you can learn the handshake AND NEVER TELL ANYONE"
danielpbarron: lol no! I mean this whole "we need you to affirm the following before we can continue" b.s.
brendafdez: I was also asked to please not keep a public archive, but I doubt they'll be letting me in
trinque: you know, we're not a real cult until we have some brainwashing chant
trinque: this girls linux club has one up on us
BingoBoingo: indiancandy1_: If you like both laptops you have as they are you could get something like this to play with linux on
assbot: acer aspire pink | eBay ... ( )
BingoBoingo doesn't know of anywhere other than ebay that routinely sells interesting computers.
danielpbarron: 20 bucks for one of these things? what's the catch?
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Looks like the auction just stated. also the description is rather blah
BingoBoingo: On the $20 one
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: To be fair the things were about $200 new
danielpbarron: This aver pink laptop is used and is very slow and old. It would be great to use for replacement items or even for a starter laptop. It does work it's just slow. << I can live with slow
BingoBoingo: I had a grey one passed it on to a younger brother. Ran ubuntu fine. Ran rather awesome with an SSD.
brendafdez: should talk to mircea_popescu
brendafdez: but I don't think that qualifies
brendafdez: Bagels7 you have to write a code on them, which he will provide
Bagels7: yes, I am aware
brendafdez: Bagels7 your first time here? :)
Bagels7: no, ive been lurking for months now
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 348936 | Current Difficulty: 4.671754964470642E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 350783 | Next Difficulty In: 1847 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 23 hours, 50 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 50205188349.2 | Estimated Percent Change: 7.46537
BingoBoingo: !t s.mpoe
assbot: Hell, ain't we about more fucked than a whore at closin' time, huh?
BingoBoingo: !t s.qntr
assbot: You know, I've had it up to here with this Indian malarkey.
BingoBoingo: !t m s.mpoe
assbot: [MPEX:S.MPOE] 1D: 0.00021571 / 0.00025761 / 0.00028284 (1137196 shares, 292.95 BTC), 7D: 0.00021571 / 0.00029178 / 0.00033536 (17125866 shares, 4,997.13 BTC), 30D: 0.00021571 / 0.00035239 / 0.0004493 (82027201 shares, 28,905.83 BTC)
BingoBoingo: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00021105 / 0.00026069 / 0.000301 (36659 shares, 9.56 BTC)
Bagels7: [22:05] <+Bagels7> Hi, Can I get a dime please. <<< Probably some sort of witchcraft
Bagels7: bad paste. [22:06] <+brendafdez> Bagels7 you have to write a code on them, which he will provide
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10900 @ 0.00022114 = 2.4104 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26980 @ 0.00021745 = 5.8668 BTC [-] {3}
danielpbarron: wow, ebay is completely unusable unless I turn off cookie whitelisting
danielpbarron: lets me browse and think i'm logged in, and then hits me with a login page for any meaningful action like placing a bid or even asking a question to the seller
danielpbarron: Probably some sort of witchcraft << the secret code was just the random string assigned by webchat -- not sure what it would be for someone not using webchat
danielpbarron: maybe a shoe on head? or licking a hammer
danielpbarron: i have placed a bid for 20 USD for a pink laptop
brendafdez: use sniping
brendafdez: placing bids is bad
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron> lets me browse and think i'm logged in, and then hits me with a login page for any meaningful action like placing a bid or even asking a question to the seller << I find this typical. To be fair I'd rather it ask me to auth often and on actions. Ebay considered their auctions to be contracts.
danielpbarron is ebay n00b
danielpbarron: right but the extra special login WILL NOT WORK unless i disable cookie whitelisting
danielpbarron: just keeps cycling me back to the login page
danielpbarron: i don't mind putting * on my whitelist; I do mind putting all the other crap
danielpbarron: one of you girls who needs a linux training laptop should really outbid me on this pink thing
danielpbarron: guy responded, sounds like there's nothing substantially wrong with the thing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25500 @ 0.00021036 = 5.3642 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: scoopbot: -fetch
brendafdez: weird wording "members of the Armed Forces to limit information the personal information they leak on social media"
BingoBoingo: I think
brendafdez: yep :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21500 @ 0.00021036 = 4.5227 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 01:39:34; trinque: lol, cmere toddler, check out the deep end
mircea_popescu: i suspect they just want to see if the... buoys actually float.
brendafdez: " It is hard to interpret " there seems to be a 'not' missing
mircea_popescu: Special Forces soldier have been
brendafdez: unless you mean people are clueless
mircea_popescu: of dox ISIS included << comma before isis.
asciilifeform: again the 'doxxing' idi0cy
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not so idiotic as all that.
mircea_popescu: isis is pioneering the "before you can get voice, pick a name off this list and torture their children on cam"
asciilifeform: what, it's a secret that mr x drops bombs for a living ?
BingoBoingo: thx, fxd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever -met- these folks ?
asciilifeform: it takes all of 5 sec.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo there's a good idea somewhere in there but kinda mollase'd out.
brendafdez: i thought you'd write "it's hard not to interpret...", but it's ok this way too i's say
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you don't understand how the world works. people who meet us armed forces socially and people who are willing to write USG SATAN in 5yo guts, provided the 5yo was spawned by a private first class have virtually no overlap.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: yeah, but might be able to glue something with the molasses later.
mircea_popescu: it boggles my mind that one has to be "allowed" to introduce a defense.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19100 @ 0.0002133 = 4.074 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: why even bother.
asciilifeform: is there a 'you are biodiesel-on-the-hoof' defense?
asciilifeform: (well, there is, but it isn't given in a court room)
asciilifeform: wtf is it with this surrender idiocy anyway
asciilifeform: snowden
asciilifeform: or is it fictional
asciilifeform: him 'wishing for fair trial'
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo did qntra eat my comment or they go to moderation or what ?
mircea_popescu: seems more like self-wankery. "here's what we'd do to mila kunis if she knew who we were or cared"
brendafdez: guys, I've seen gnome bashed security-wise a couple of times here in chan (or in the blogs, I'm not sure). What's so wrong with it? I'm really liking gnome-shell...
brendafdez: But if there's something I should know, I'd rather do
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 01:44:42; trinque: make a stick with ubnetbootin or whatever
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BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Rescued the comment from the spamtrap
mircea_popescu: "GNOME Shell 3.14.x before 3.14.1, when the Screen Lock feature is used, does not limit the aggregate memory consumption of all active PrtSc requests, which allows physically proximate attackers to execute arbitrary commands on an unattended workstation by making many PrtSc requests and leveraging a temporary lock outage, and the resulting temporary shell availability, caused by the Linux kernel OOM killer."
mircea_popescu: sort of thing
mircea_popescu: it's just... not designed or implemented by people with an understanding of computing.
mircea_popescu: GNOME Display Manager (gdm) before 2.21.1 allows local users to change permissions of arbitrary directories via a symlink attack on /tmp/.X11-unix/. << lulzier one.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo is it because link ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Probably. Maybe it was a combination of link and maybe your commented here before cookie expired?
BingoBoingo: I know you've fallen from *approved* to pending before.
mircea_popescu: such faet.
BingoBoingo: Sometimes cookies just get ate
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47700 @ 0.00021946 = 10.4682 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: << does it revolve around the general principle that girls are dumb and boring ?
assbot: Logged on 24-03-2015 01:55:24; brendafdez: I subscribed to a linux for girls community a couple of months ago. Can't tell you what it's like
mircea_popescu: that's usually how this shit goes.
mircea_popescu: affirm lol
brendafdez: mircea_popescu I was just curious to see what it's like in a 'linux for girls' mailing list, but I think they won't let me in if I don'f affirm nicely enough
asciilifeform: linux for girls << when do we get, e.g., non-ferrous metallurgy, 'for gurlz
mircea_popescu: ;;google valorie zimmerman tits
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you mean bonbons ?
asciilifeform: just wondered why computing gets the treatment.
asciilifeform: what'd it do to deserve.
mircea_popescu: for some reason THIS dude pops up as the only result for valorie's tits :
mircea_popescu: unremarkably, he's all about re-tweeting poettering on google twitter.
brendafdez: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
mircea_popescu: "My personal conclusion out of all this is mostly just that I don't want to have much to do with the worst offenders, and the communities they run. My involvement with the kernel community ended pretty much before it even started, I never post on LKML, and haven't done in years. Also, in our own project we are policying posts. We regularly put a few folks on moderation on the mailing list, and we will continue to do s
mircea_popescu: o. Currently, the systemd community is fantastic, and I really hope we can keep it that way."
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mircea_popescu: this incidentally is pretty true : i don't know that anyone sane would want anything to do with lennart and his horde of derps either.
mircea_popescu: " have a thick skin (and so do most of the others involved in systemd, apparently), and I figure that plays a major role why we managed to bring systemd to success, despite all the pressure in the opposite direction. "
asciilifeform: succ355
mircea_popescu: ahaha. 1) systemd is not nor will it ever be successful. 2) systemd is a grease spot strictly because of the red hat drilling platform upstream. once that goes away, the whole set of fleas and their "successes" and "ideas" and choices and whatever also go away.
asciilifeform: i thought rathead was more or less defunkt
mircea_popescu: but i gotta appreciate the delusion. really, lennart thinks he's me ? cool.
mircea_popescu: should be a fun thing to watch, this.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, in the cisco way.
asciilifeform: more like the ibm way
mircea_popescu: defunct washington post/nytimes/libertard press spawned gawker.
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mircea_popescu: anyway, the ideological cleavage is pretty clear, and it will only resolve itself in time.
asciilifeform: 'we are policying posts' << ?@!??
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asciilifeform: what's 'policying' ?
mircea_popescu: "If you are a newcomer to Linux, either grow a really thick skin. Or run away, it's not a friendly place to be in." << also do not be in linux.
mircea_popescu: lol. and this is not his employer's agenda. this is just, you know, because reasons.
mircea_popescu: these people.
asciilifeform: 'go fellate nsa directly, not through a hose'
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's pretty well articulated. consider the way this place works : once anything can be said, people suddenly manage to find "representatives" of groups they thought they hated quite likable. this happens on a regular basis.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile in idiot us discourse, because of all the "care" being "expended" to "protect", nobody can talk to anyone about anything, and as a result everyone hates everyone else for no reason.
mircea_popescu: then they morally responsible for the cesspool turn around and accuse the pillars making sanity possible of... you know, "fish rots from the head"
mircea_popescu: the reason chinese peasants are starving is not enough socialism, dontcha know.
asciilifeform: happens on a regular basis << wai wat
mircea_popescu: so fucking banal in its "cultural revolutionary war" rehash it's really hardly worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: brendafdez turns out half the people in the google grup of "women interested in linux" are actulaly guys.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think most recently it was "hey, this christian dude isn't all bad"
asciilifeform: yes i recall. where else though
mircea_popescu: i don't actually keep that well indexed a list of this score
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: betcha 100% of it is 'goldschläger' !
mircea_popescu: prolly more comes from the 10-50mn gold teeth
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Or the golden toilets at the local USG garisons erode
BingoBoingo: Golden toilet may not be mere metaphore
mircea_popescu: amusingly, n ceausescu was accused of this. people believed.
asciilifeform: like yanukovich
asciilifeform: and probably every 'tin dictator' of 20th c
mircea_popescu: serves them right for ruling over a group dumb enough to believe that shit.
mircea_popescu: somehow in the entire "must grow big fast" thing people omit to point out that well... you don't wanna rule over retards.
asciilifeform: 'we go to war with the army we have not the army we wish we had' (TM)
mircea_popescu: nobody forced him to be president.
asciilifeform: aha could've stayed shoemaker.
mircea_popescu: walkers and generals have very little in common.
brendafdez: mircea_popescu maybe the affirmation policying isn't being done right. Half the people in the fb lesbian dating groups are guys, too...
mircea_popescu: hahaha wait wait.
mircea_popescu: social justice warrior posing as transgender lesbian female to get cooch ?
asciilifeform: 'lesbian trapped in male body'
asciilifeform: (al schwartz)
brendafdez: whatever works, not that that especially does
mircea_popescu: i mean the entire "why do girls date assholes i have a great sense of humor she doesn't know what she's missing" beta lament is one thing
mircea_popescu: but going THAT FAR ?!
mircea_popescu: i like 69 as much as the next girl, but it never occured to me to pretend i'm a tupolev airplanewhile doing it.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform truely usia is engaged in the empirical demonstration of the ancient notion that perversity knows no bounds.
asciilifeform: or schwartz's 'the titanic achivement of simultaneous boring -and- perverse'
mircea_popescu: i wonder if i could get tenure with a program on illiteracy.
mircea_popescu: you come study for 4 years how to be illiterate.
asciilifeform: already baked in every major us uni
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all perversion is boring to the normally endowed.
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, plainly said
mircea_popescu: oh, that's a problem isn't it. shit.
mircea_popescu: i just don't understand how the dumbworld works.
asciilifeform: i had similar idea once -
asciilifeform: come to antiuni to unlearn xxxx
asciilifeform: then they carefully waltz it out of yer brain
mircea_popescu: that was a chinese specialty.
brendafdez: you know, the whole betu thing sucks, and somteimes the coping strategy could well be 'fuck it, i didn't even want it in the first place, I'd rather be a woman where bug becomes feature'. Dunno, just speculating, I hadn't given it much thought before.
brendafdez: s/betu/beta/
mircea_popescu: doesn't work that way does it ?
brendafdez: dunno, wouldn't go back either, this state of 'it not working' is much preferred to the previous state of 'it not working'. By orders of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: preferred in the impersonal ? who prefers it ?
mircea_popescu: well maybe you miss the barn of a difference between "guy who is a girl because he prefers it" and "guy who claims to be a girl so as to [...]"
mircea_popescu: causes an' purposes baby.
brendafdez: I can't keep in memory every single article all the time
mircea_popescu: pretty decent part of a play or something this. "so if i become a woman will my sex work ?" "no, it still won't work" "So then ?" "well maybe you like it not working this way better."
brendafdez: Anyway, I don't think claiming it and presenting female so as to x would be a good strategy at all, if you don't prefer it, you'll end up changing your mind, because it's hard to put up with all the attached issues to being perceived a woman if you were only doing it for a specific purpose
mircea_popescu: quite exactly mirroring the consumer computing market. "my windows computer doesn't fucking work" "switch to gentoo" "will it work then ?" "no, but maybe you like the icons better"
mircea_popescu: brendafdez you ever seen daisy diamond ?
mircea_popescu: well, other than the part that it has infanticide, maybe you should check it out.
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mircea_popescu: horrid fucking scheme omfg
BingoBoingo: ’ve given so many talks at WordCamps with a component about how it’s important to be nice, respectful, and welcoming — including the use of appropriate language and imagery — to the point that some people would really like to tell me to shut the fuck** up (or have!).
brendafdez: mircea, in all honesty what wasn't working was life to the point I didn't want to go on (should've put an ad on gofundme but didn't occur to me). That was solved: social intereaction now is a whole different thing and it's much better. The fact that I still don't get to have the sex I like with the people I like is a minor issue compared to social interaction being broken as a whole.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "adrian pintilie" ?
mircea_popescu: << this guy. would be ro drupal shop
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mircea_popescu: amusingly, i dun think he knows yet :D
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Oh so a marginalized Romanian is being pissed on by an empowered evangalist of politeness for interacting with the world according to his culture.
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: well... he's not marginalized. just marginal.
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mod6: oops
gabriel_laddel: Regarding lesbians. The definitive work:
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mircea_popescu: runs a tiny "digital agency" in practicaly akron, romania
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mircea_popescu: one employee, 10-100k turnover a year sorta thing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ah so the WordPress politeness is oppressing him.
mircea_popescu: doubt anything but "why would anyone pay you to fuck up php, when php comes pre-fucked and if not indians will fuck it for 1/3 the price" opresses him.
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