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(trilema) ben_vulpes: the nullg scenes are judiciously placed for effect most of the time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mats: the expanse is a surprisingly high-quality-for-such-a-low-budget scifi flick
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: derps gon' derp.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's going to take some reading.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whoa thestringpuller v thorough
(trilema) ben_vulpes: christ seriously
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what does c-s buy one over the otp in that case?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and the need to share the key does not impose the same operational considerations as otp?
(trilema) ben_vulpes not even qualified to ask questions about this probably
(trilema) ben_vulpes: cramer shoup + shared key does not reduce to...otp?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that flash really makes the photo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: having expectations of the poor turd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thinking about databases
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i see you over there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is like two weeks straight of kilo+ logline days
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform is so much more chatty at the new job
(trilema) ben_vulpes: over my pay grade, frere
(trilema) ben_vulpes: of particularly amusing note is that their payment-accepting system is broken.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pinging BingoBoingo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'stateless protocol'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ascii_butugychag: aha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell funkenstein_ yo are you going to submit that privkey import backport to the ml?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eval-over-socket
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hey you're patching an eatrawtx into shiva then?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: he probably destroyed what's left of the trinquetop in rage
(trilema) ben_vulpes: poor trinque
(trilema) ben_vulpes: entirely predictable though
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mega lol at coinbase
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whitespace gardeners.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: g'morning princessnell
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://medium.com/@hellopicoc/this-black-owned-portland-business-will-disappear-without-your-help-21f9fa195d78#.cywj4lxdv << it's a business! it's a charity! it's some people who failed to invest in their property for decades and now want everyone else to shoulder the burden of bringing their property up to code!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell adlai is this in reference to the tweet referencing a blog post referencing a reddit thinger?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-02-2016#1394055 << not on receipt afaik, only returns \n for \r and \r\n
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/patches/polarbeard_add_getpeerinfo_rpc << now this, i will review. thank you, polarbeard
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: roger
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adlai: sure!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov: i committed violence to asciilifeform's original v in a harebrained attempt to add tests, was roundly caned for the violence, left his implementation to him and hared off to reimplement in cl.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah i never followed that stupidity in depth
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i believe that i understand how it could be implemented softly, adlai, but it doesn't /count/ until it's verified.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i do not think i've gotten to your comment yet adlai. on trilema?
(trilema) ben_vulpes now actually very curious as to how this sort of thing would work at the code level in practice. if blockheight < forkheight, use old validation rules, else use new?
(trilema) ben_vulpes not terrifically intimate with fork dynamics in practice, having flatly ignored proposals to do so until now
(trilema) ben_vulpes: is this the sort of thing that *must* be implemented as a fork of the existing chain?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it is a very interesting proposal.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu begins to feel the burn!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whoa oakland terminal is filing for ch 11
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: lemme guess, they're all on the same street too?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: stoned to death by office supplies
(trilema) ben_vulpes throws pens, pencils, erasers at mircea_popescu's slithering ass
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but yeah phf's sprouting some lovely tooling
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well polarbeard likes to pretend as though i don't exist until he finally does what i ask, and even then refuses to ping me on the topic.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: shall we try? anything you want from the states?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: at this rate the only time i'm going to come back is with a 5 yo and a 2 yo to escape election season
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: and imma drink it! if i ever come back.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: quality coffee in bsas?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nifty altcoin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol even vex has commentary on the dccpisode
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also how is 40M too large for a webserver?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: am i authed or not
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mother shit fucker
(trilema) ben_vulpes: which yes, i'd complain of as well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: erc complains of :host 0.0.0.199
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: how big *is* it?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't think erc actually worx.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eh maybe thirtee.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps only ten for me.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: motherfucker.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: do please to dcc again
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thank you for pointing out the inadequacy of everything.
(trilema) ben_vulpes snaps a laptop
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a gpggram would be lovely, or a .tgz i can scrape down from your server
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dcc scares me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: share a ware?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: joy of deficit spending here is that i complain about price of bits and find they're free.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ask me how many fuxx i give when trying to wire patches
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes yes, gnudiff is retarded
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm always interested in finding the root nodes the 'further say'ers metastasized from
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i will continue to drive for "reference implementation" over "real bitcoin" or such grandiosities
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps reference Bitcoin implementation instead of daemon, as daemon refers to how a process gets handled by whatever nix is handling procs locally
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nifty, BingoBoingo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: still working through scip, and even that's deficit spending.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but no, i am a classically poorly-read american.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i did debord a while ago
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i don't know anything about the topic!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that'd be a no then?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: know anything about deleuze and guatarri in the context of intertextuality?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: those curly horns don't look too fun, but whaddoiknow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the notion that there is any price for bits not agreed upon by a bid by people who want the bits and an opening of the floodgates by those who have them at an accepable rate is utter horseshit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: seventy six eighty on MOTHERFUCKING KINDLE?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a hundred and eleven fucking dollars!?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: although that's probably more accurately strictly a SBCL thing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one of the things that remains a mystery to me is the recompilation facilities supporting slime et al
(trilema) ben_vulpes: did not know that tear ducts could weep blood
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've been trying to read the tinyscheme sources
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trumpenreich 2016, duh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu wut?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: works if you work it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you've been in it for what, 2 months at this point?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how was the 12/12
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good evening, BingoBoingo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and thank you for reporting per my ask.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thank you jurov!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sorry for all the dumb questions, just working to tease out into explicitude what everyone else takes for granted.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure, and i don't take much umbrage at this.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: where c, c' and c'' all depend on b. if i press c, do c' and c'' make it as well?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a b {c, c', c''}
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but the primes, do i press them? or simply recurse up the antecedent chain cleanly?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes i follow, slow as i am
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is to be done with c' and c'', then (patches that also depend on b but have nothing to do with c)
(trilema) ben_vulpes refuses to give up
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BECAUSE FLATTENING TREES
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but there's no guarantee that it renders a b c d e instead of d e a b c
(trilema) ben_vulpes: flow already makes this mistake iirc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: d is level 0, actually
(trilema) ben_vulpes: howzabout another scenario
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this was a thing i bounced off weeks ago!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: conflict *with
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: this introduces a conflict between "pressing a head presses all signed patches at same leaf-level that have been signed by wot"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i think it's asciibeterministic
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm, i recall
(trilema) ben_vulpes: either that or find roots first, toposort from each root, and then apply each set of toposorted patches in some arbitrary order
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i suspect v's toposort will need to account for multiple geneses
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: what do you mean "first seen nodes"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is a nifty patchbrowser, phf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: felipelalli: mpex doesn't respect key expiration extension.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: the chains must kiss somewhere in order for the ordering to make sense
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: yuuuup.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell asciilifeform ^^ plz to opine
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so that operators can press, migrate dir, and press more.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eg that `v press shiva stans_sweet_patch.vpatch && v press shiva stans_sweet_patch.vpatch' must result in the same tree as running the command once.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this means that v-pressings have to be idempotent.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a thing to do might be to leave the genesis press as-is, move the resulting tinyscheme dir into the correct shiva location and then press the rest of the patches reground to reference the shivadir
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but it's so close! with only an unknowable amount of further hacking it could totally work!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: has blessed us with a new root node with which to fuzz all v implementations
(trilema) ben_vulpes: don't know or care
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "naked Natalie Wood"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: with that spittoon
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have fun boys
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: highlights "uppose if we were all mentally retarded a la United States / Some O"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: also, if you'd care to share your llvm/clang compilator i'd love to take a look
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: link me?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: selection works on chrome for me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you confirm that tinyscheme_genesis_fixed.vpatch does *not* depend on shiva parts one and two?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i even pointed that one out to you, but we're mad busy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: don't even add up to a whole computer over the year.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: diapers are pretty cheap, actually.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how do you think i'd rather spend my dollars, on 'macbook pros' or bitcoins and linux workstations?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you think i don't know this?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: la serenissima might be able to rent my oar pullers if it could convert my deficit spending to turkey-buying dollars
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "viewing, not yet."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "selecting works!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's how mod6 has always quoted things...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but there's no actual reason why they couldn't mine high-s transactions, adherence to party line aside.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm sure that i misunderstand.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this'd invalidate the signature.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is greater on malleated transactions?! but but
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how do the miners benefit though.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: could just as easily be a USG FUD campaign.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > deeply unclear
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how did you come to the conclusion that it was miners doing the malleation, and not nobodies malleating and rebroadcasting?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but digging as far down into the roots of my conclusions as makes sense to dispel ambiguity
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure, i'm mostly confirming my own recollection.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now were b,tmsr~ to run its own pool mining only high-s transactions, would clients in the wild reject those blocks?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now, are miners not mining transactions signed low?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: great, i follow.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (create and broadcast)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i create a transaction with a low s value. someone listening to broadcast transactions can rewrite my tx to have a high s value.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so a decomposition then
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you have access to the gradebook...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in that it's possible to malleate in either direction. ease i suppose doesn't figure into the question.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: meaning that transactions can only be malleated from high->low order?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can someone confirm that it's just as possible to malleate a transaction low->high s as it is to malleate it high->low ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, mod6 you gotta upgrade v.pl to press *all* reachable leaves. that's the problem i'm running into with asciilifeform's recent shiva rebake
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha i begin to see the wisdom of pressing all reachable leaves now
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: if i understand the shiva rebake correctly, applying tinyscheme_genesis_vpatch, then tinyscheme_crud_snip, then tinyscheme_repl_fix_fixed bangs the tree into the correct shape?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thanks for confirming mod6
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's what i thought
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well there is a line break between those two strings
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so the '.' is both a line-break escape and string concatenation?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391245 << lines 64 and 65 of v.pl. perhaps i can't read perl?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so if i press those individually, in order, they work. but if i press the last patch, i believe that it fails to find its antecedents.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the rebaked ones?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !s bug for you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the 'rebaked' ones.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: did you get a chance to repro the issue i ran into with asciilifeform's shiva patches?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391110 << i did, not saying that it's not lying through its teeth though: http://imgur.com/Y1tGvZC
(trilema) ben_vulpes: entirely unrelatedly, can anyone corroborate the story of the russians who burned a shitton of usd on camera and got the then-fed to credit some domestic account or other?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how many rickety fucking buckets of others' design must a man endure before he gets the fuck out and walks on his own feet is the question i'm endeavoring to resolve for myself
(trilema) ben_vulpes: boundedness?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: adlai: i don't know shit, frere, i just drag in dead birds for the adults to dispose of.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: this is for a motherfucking crystalspace project
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=31-01-2016#1391028 << i wonder what 'not making the cut' looks like these days. not willing to burn ones youth on the pyre of tenure-track whoring?
(trilema) ben_vulpes can hear the retching from here
(trilema) ben_vulpes: has 'really great cpp interop'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nooo, llvm bytecode.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you have information to the contrary...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i believe clasp is a standards-compliant commonlisp
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because i want to press "shiva" into a tree that doesn't have, say, malleus_mikehearnificarum
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my wot, mon trezor!
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