(trilema) ben_vulpes: $google "rails is a ghetto"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://zedshaw.com/2015/07/26/turd-cookies/ << morning chuckles
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i suppose
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i can't really imagine "serving the people" in any way
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nigga were you sleeping during third grade american civics? all he did is not veto it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: someone tried to tell me obab did away with DADT
(trilema) ben_vulpes: man i hate the "legacy building" phase of presidencies
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://github.com/znort987/blockparser << same znort?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: congrats asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that novelty penny looks DOPE
(trilema) ben_vulpes: me, i'm booking batcave hammocks asap
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://archive.is/637lm << unrelatedly, don't you want to stay at the cow cave? the akita house? perhaps the host of the kangaroo treehouse's beguiling pose will entice you into a rental. if none of those appeal, consider pug palace, cow boat, or the cottage cheese cottage
(trilema) ben_vulpes: produces the same hash as the submitted file
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, should you care to, you can now also `curl -L -F "pastebox=@foo.txt" wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com`
(trilema) ben_vulpes: browsers frequently pass newlines from forms as \r\n
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: done
(trilema) ben_vulpes: again, if i recall correctly, asciilifeform's v will press all of the same-leaf-level patches as the given patch, /up to the given patch (inclusive)/ in alphabetical order
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (and then the given patch)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: as in, given this patchset, and this particular patch, apply all of the antecedents in the correct order.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's only ever made sense to me in the context of pressing a specific patch.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what they have secret combudder/aerospace engineering programs?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: never comes out of /ar/ embassy?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah, transition.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf ^^
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > press as a graph transition << would you elaborate?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: although hang on let me think
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that edges mean patches share a common hash
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: iirc that notion descends from stan's original V.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i lold
(trilema) ben_vulpes: a us bank is willing to touch customer keys? o.O
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "moles vs ants"?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: once again for teh illiterate?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dag that's some /jew/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there's a deedbot ripoff doing the rounds as well
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yech
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the idiocy on display is no longer even amusing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in other *other* news, "lastpass" password sharting tool won't let users *see* shared passwords, but does provide for *copying* shared passwords and pasting into arbitrary other places on the computer. further, if one gets into the DOM and changes the "password" attr on the relevant element the browser will happily render it in place.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: my morning: http://wordpress.shithouse.tv/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-05-03#1461579 << so yes, i appear to have fallen for what i took to be a gem but was in fact a paste replica of a gem /someone saw one time/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: diana_coman: timeout? works fine from here
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "you mean i don't have to think about the db!?!?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 'tis the root of the success of Rails and friends
(trilema) ben_vulpes: Foo.objects.get(pk=20) or Foo.objects.get(name="Stan")
(trilema) ben_vulpes: may ye long remain ignorant of it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "object relational model"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > allows programmers to work directly with objects as if they were in memory while in fact the object data is always stored persistently << stinks of ORM shit-dippery
(trilema) ben_vulpes: were i not desperately trying to eke my own living out i would most likely be camping outside of the cognitect offices until they took pity upon me and let me sweep the floor.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i harbor no illusions in this regard.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it is the classic "db that looks good but needs tender loving care from its authors to work well" software trap.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah, i only run on postgres for that precise reason.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm.
(trilema) ben_vulpes sobs
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > allegro cache
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (and also as previously discussed in logs, the scraps on my table are rarely of "web scale" magnitude)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: i would like to hear about what kinds of misery you've found in datomic. not to doubt! never to doubt the misery of technology. but out of curiosity, and limits-finding by proxy.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mostly, i find rocks of various sharpness and heaviness and use them to beat my local reality into shape.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i wish i had the historical perspective to even know.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: knows from experience?!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whatever it is that returns the JSON that sends mircea_popescu scrambling and screaming for the "programmer's view"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yes, that. or your actual logic layer of choice.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because if it cannot support multiple web hosts, it is not a db with which i will fuck.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: elephant on PG.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: when, smack back in SQLland.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mostly, except as trinque discovered when one goes to do joins.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: seemed very specifically a CLOS data store.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but i don't know enough about elephant to say.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ish
(trilema) ben_vulpes: simple an EAVT data store with a single threaded writer. caches recent images of the db in peer memory (yes, 'immutable' db).
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not an expert system, not ai, not anything special.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the answer to 'ever play with symbolics *' is always 'no', dude.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: effectively a distributed prolog-alike db, to the extent that i can be trusted to call something 'prolog-alike'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: proprietary proggy that sits atop your $db of choice
(trilema) ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, datomic is a *very* spiffy data abstraction layer.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: look at the upside! think of all the tacks you don't have to chew!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you could be fielding questions from clients past about why you billed them nine hundred grand for misc. support over the month.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but hey!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: path dependency's a bitch.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: how useless?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not in wot, not published.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no code, not published.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: poor baby
(trilema) ben_vulpes: square?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "half of my advertising budget is wasted, i just don't know which half."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: hit enter?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://www.techworm.net/2015/05/two-security-researchers-break-rsa-4096-bit-keys-with-phuctor.html << needs updating?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: zarbee!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah, once i browbeat my parents into moving me to a school with a decent physics and math program things picked up.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: attitude towards math during my tenure at hippieschool was "oh, you finished the long division worksheet? oh uh let me go photocopy some more."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: with the math, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: kindergarten, maybe.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure, if it'd happened before 5th grade.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: teacher lined us up, holding the rod, and applied a torch to one end.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (of startling diameter, in retrospect. musta cost a fortune.)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the school had a copper rod
(trilema) ben_vulpes: do you know how we were taught about conduction?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: eloise*
(trilema) ben_vulpes: just call me eliose
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes i grew up in ahotel
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fucking /life/ has been remedial study.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dude my third grade was waldorf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm well let me know when you find those other loglines
(trilema) ben_vulpes: plus not in log can't possibly be famous.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: look i didn't grow up on usenet it's nyoooooz to me
(trilema) ben_vulpes: from the annals of perverse technology reuse: http://i.imgur.com/ctEveER.jpg
(trilema) ben_vulpes: already wrote three tests this morning. making coffee and wanking over scintillation for a spell.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's disturbing how hard this conversation is making
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aaaaah
(trilema) ben_vulpes: why the neutron requirement?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pediwikia suggests polyethylene naphthalate as scintillating plastic
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jurov now has the (enviable?) privilege of determining the likelihood that the call will be exercised, and adjusting his reserves accordingly.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is banking
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but this is all kind of moot, because at the end of the day, jurov is simply on the hook for princessnell's shares, should someone with her key ever come along to claim them.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so princessnell can't up, because can't keys. what of it, ergo "not princessnell".
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-30#1459887 << this sits poorly with me too, ftr
(trilema) ben_vulpes: (heh great error message, trinque )
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh brutal i didn't know princessnell'd hosed herself
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this week "myeah you've got thirty days to codify this business logic up and wrap it up in a webapp"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: three weeks ago, "hey team, work looks slow for the forseeable future. everyone take fridays off!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that apparently only i have a chance at getting out the door in time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: bezzletronic short deadline immense scope throwaway internal project for local dropshipper
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'll probably be even less communicative than i've been for the next month or two
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mazel tov, asciilifeform
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ;;later tell felipelalli you have good taste what can i say
(trilema) ben_vulpes: having recently returned from detroit and misc ohio suburbs, my part of the coast has, in comparison, nearly zero 'obeasts'.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: talk about automating the reactor controls...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: /deedbot hands you a mircea_popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that too
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you should see the hoops they jump through to get people saving their everything to icloud
(trilema) ben_vulpes: best guess anyone had is that she plugged his phone into her computer one time and imported everything into iphoto and thence mme
(trilema) ben_vulpes: friend had photos from his android device show up on his girl's mme account one time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman, phf: neat, til
(trilema) ben_vulpes has not read comics in a while
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh man jthm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the color is limited to covers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in the vein, i suppose
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if someone has turned it into a 'browser' i will lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it is an http client
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://imgur.com/a/b6GDM << nevertheless, i further procure a very humrng sample of the work
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and you'd not care for the trouble it takes to set my flags even were i
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i am not an ffmpeg
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so's to capture the absurd level of detail.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and scanned in loving detail.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, illustrated with ink.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mnope
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyway i don't see how 'need' enters into anything. tis only as i said more or less how i procured the thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 1.9G Tank Girl Ultimate Mega Collection/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > du -sh Tank\ Girl\ Ultimate\ Mega\ Collection/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://torcache.net/torrent/6F219396E49FC7FD5C801703FCDE98D114643865.torrent?title=[kat.cr]tank.girl.ultimate.mega.collection.emidius << torrent file itself
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: requires esoteric '.cbr' reader
(trilema) ben_vulpes: only made it through vol. 1, just curious if you'd seen the thing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://kat.cr/tank-girl-ultimate-mega-collection-emidius-t9778866.html << 's the one i procured
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also 20 yo's getting rogered by kangaroos, voodoo plastic surgery, great australian beer heist, thrown boxing matches...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: howso? c.p. is a 'save the world' sorta thing, t.g., much more "drink beer slaughter normies with nukes"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: late eighties, early nineties.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nono, original comix
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever dig 'tank girl'?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 3/3
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: that's 2/2 for bothered today
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you are a masochist
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > straight to c
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "TOO BAD, SUCKER"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: urllib2 is a perfect example of "but i don't want to write oopython!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: plus miserable miserable miserable concurrency constructs.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: this is why i do webshits in clojure.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: even Java's OOP is less fucking miserable.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: punkman: mostly the miserable OOP implementation.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for web shit specifically.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and ftr i motherfucking /hate/ python.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: specificity of diddling applies.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://btcbase.org/log/2016-04-26#1457821 << there are some minorly trivial security concerns to keep in mind when building webapps
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not tmsr, me.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: girl ams fascinate
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lectured girl on how this is outgrowth of cultural attitudes around computers that nobody owns
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phf: saw that, rofld hard
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hah that's a silly twuk
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mhm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that's mod6's v, iirc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: i don't think anyone's using kelvin versioning on trb
(trilema) ben_vulpes: perhaps he purchased it as a curio
(trilema) ben_vulpes: omfg lolztrove
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "people began to imagine a world where...profits could come back in vogue"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh god the lulz don't stop
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > Unicorn basket
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > slack
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > slack
(trilema) ben_vulpes: > slack
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "this generation’s transformational companies (AirBNB, Slack, Snapchat, Uber, etc)" << muahaha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://abovethecrowd.com/2016/04/21/on-the-road-to-recap/ << don't call it a pooooonziiiiiiiii
(trilema) ben_vulpes: p. much the only sane design
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thanks mod6 i'll get on that
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://wotpaste.cascadianhacker.com/pastes/c704e406-8cfe-461a-ac89-4e66e8328d98/?raw=true
(trilema) ben_vulpes: waaat
(trilema) ben_vulpes: as well as genuine assault and rape
(trilema) ben_vulpes: wife should be well occupied with children and drive-by-rodgerings, and if children are a burden american should have neither c nor w
(trilema) ben_vulpes: good riddance
(trilema) ben_vulpes: actual thing in buenos aires
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bamboocycleta!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: get real, right parents, right time.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: can lob mortars from dirigible for weeks
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: was lucky enough to destroy the things he grew up hating
(trilema) ben_vulpes: could not possibly, lizard hitler would never allow.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shambala ofc does not exist.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "west coast! covered wagons, right? have they wired portland for AC yet?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha yes old east coast joke
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if you get your way with hauschwitz it should be academic, barring grocery trips
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes, plenty, i have been to one recently.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in a town the auto hasn't ruined
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so ride a bike
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yesye
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: in the conversations context ofc, i know they exist and are used by self-dusting farmers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: from mythical cornfield runway
(trilema) ben_vulpes: beause dentist is half sane, picks good market, commutes by plane to place
(trilema) ben_vulpes: jesus you really need this spelled out?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: for /fun/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also dentists fly gliders all the time wtf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because if there are highly stable craft the thing approaches golf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: only that "planes for dentists" is just as panglossian
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah dood wtf i'm not saying megaport is only solution
(trilema) ben_vulpes: people go to market for a /reason/
(trilema) ben_vulpes: must we rehash 'market' thread?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: other places where one person was landing uncontrolledly at a time?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and people flew where in 40s?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes ofc points in 3space nigh impossible to get close to each other
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lanes are temporal in asciilifeform plane new world
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the shares though, you have some
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you have a bridge too, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "oh but they would all live in the country with nobody around and each with their own runway!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: individuals can stay up for quite some time, but if you have any concentration of them taking off at 7a to get to work, there's your density-close-to-the-ground problem
(trilema) ben_vulpes: falling derps is not the problem, it's collisions unavoidable due to relative speeds and human inability to a) perceive and b) react in time
(trilema) ben_vulpes: again, arc-seconds and velocity.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that is still a *lot* of atc.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: dentists at least, which is every derp in my book.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you just proposed essentially every derp flying.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: 0, 1, inf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: relative to car infrastructure
(trilema) ben_vulpes: consider relative velocities and arc seconds involved tho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: granted
(trilema) ben_vulpes: air traffic control on the scale of car-economy would be an utter nightmare
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: quite quite, and i loled at phoreplay
(trilema) ben_vulpes: phuctor is phucking nao, mircea_popescu sounds pleased or at least entertained, so i imagine it's bought a stay from the divestment for a quarter...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: proxy for all sorts of thing, but the entertainment comes from contrasting that bit of information with public comportment
(trilema) ben_vulpes: relatedly, i get a kick out of learning which 'business owners' keep seperate books for tax and internal accounting and which do not.