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mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes ty, i try
mircea_popescu: someone should make a new, modernized alf that's all hipster-trendsetting and excited by novelties.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: ever dig 'tank girl'?
mircea_popescu: no think about it, could be trap with plasticated expression.
mircea_popescu: ie, the move ?
ben_vulpes: nono, original comix
mircea_popescu: never saw it.
ben_vulpes: late eighties, early nineties.
mircea_popescu: smacks of this "cpt planet" thing to me, but anyways
ben_vulpes: howso? c.p. is a 'save the world' sorta thing, t.g., much more "drink beer slaughter normies with nukes"
mircea_popescu: just going by the movie. got al ink for comic ?
ben_vulpes: also 20 yo's getting rogered by kangaroos, voodoo plastic surgery, great australian beer heist, thrown boxing matches...
ben_vulpes: only made it through vol. 1, just curious if you'd seen the thing
ben_vulpes: requires esoteric '.cbr' reader
mircea_popescu: check out vulpes procuring for us
mircea_popescu: doesn't seem to load ?
ben_vulpes:[]tank.girl.ultimate.mega.collection.emidius << torrent file itself
mircea_popescu: uh. why does a cartoon need to be a torrent ?!
mircea_popescu: anywya, i dun actuallyhave a way to get that.
ben_vulpes: > du -sh Tank\ Girl\ Ultimate\ Mega\ Collection/
ben_vulpes: 1.9G Tank Girl Ultimate Mega Collection/
ben_vulpes: anyway i don't see how 'need' enters into anything. tis only as i said more or less how i procured the thing
mircea_popescu: so cartoon like southpark not like oglaf
ben_vulpes: mnope
mircea_popescu: somehow i was thinking it's you know, a webcomic
ben_vulpes: no, illustrated with ink.
ben_vulpes: and scanned in loving detail.
ben_vulpes: so's to capture the absurd level of detail.
mircea_popescu: can i has a 1mb summary ? i dun really care for the flac version
ben_vulpes: i am not an ffmpeg
ben_vulpes: and you'd not care for the trouble it takes to set my flags even were i
mircea_popescu: Drakma/2.0.1_(Clozure_Common_Lisp_Version_1.10-r16531M << check iot out there exists a cl web browser ?
ben_vulpes: << nevertheless, i further procure a very humrng sample of the work
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: it is an http client
ben_vulpes: if someone has turned it into a 'browser' i will lol
mircea_popescu: o hey, sorta like johnny the homicidal maniac would be if it had color and it were a girl ?
ben_vulpes: in the vein, i suppose
ben_vulpes: the color is limited to covers
ben_vulpes: oh man jthm
ben_vulpes has not read comics in a while
mircea_popescu: lol how to be a boring shithead
mircea_popescu: ;;google StolenCameraFinder
gribble: Stolen Camera Finder - find your photos, find your camera: <>; Stolen Camera Finder - how it works: <>; Stolen Camera Finder - supported cameras: <>
phf: ben_vulpes: I will save you a lot of trouble, .cbr is just a rar archive
phf: (full of normally high resolution jpegs, or any other standard format images)
punkman: and .cbz is a zip archive
asciilifeform: speaking of comics about badgurlz, my all-time favourite:
asciilifeform: (entirely on www, no need to search for warez)
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 11:43 punkman: web3.0 lulz
asciilifeform: Run Moar Teenager Proggy!1111
jurov: "When deployed, our application generates some erroneous data, and crashes more often that we would like."
mircea_popescu: o brother.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so scruffy pothead running with a backpack is surprised to find the police might have some questions. mmmkay ?
BingoBoingo: But the fat police
mircea_popescu: well, at least according to him.
mircea_popescu: anyway, there's no dispute that the only salvation for usians alive today is to be found in slavery.
mircea_popescu: the catch being that unless given whips and a cemetery to fill, the grunts will overpower the drill sgt, and instead of the latter lifting the former, it'll just be the former flattening the latter into a parodic figure.
asciilifeform: and walrus 2 .. N will overpower walrus-1 ahaha lolno.
mircea_popescu: and re dantup link : idiot has a "disqus" comment form, so he'll never know that what he has to do now is shut the fuck up and read up on the most serene republic. which is just as well.
asciilifeform: dantup's breakage zoo is sadly typical, for ~20 yrs straight.
asciilifeform: and the more idiot 'cocklets' grow up on the mit-flavoured 'we must experiment and do basic science to learn how libraries work, fuhgeddabout first principles' curriculum, the moar of this there will be.
asciilifeform: << rad-hardness via software is surely an absurdity, if contemplated in the sense of 'lead shield', but it really doesn't hurt to handle various 'can't-happens' a la ada.
asciilifeform: (where the language makes it quite feasible to check the consistency of the system's state at however many points and cleanly seppuku if it falls into a 'must've cosmicrayed')
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform let them grow up on wood spirits and stevia soup for all i care.
mircea_popescu: no woman comes in this world with a promise that the fruit of her cunt will amount to anything.
mircea_popescu: the one exceptional case in recorded history is debated ; and she didn't have it with some dude either.
asciilifeform: spoken like true olympian
asciilifeform: (i had nfi they needed dirigibles to get up & down from...)
asciilifeform: ;;;later tell BingoBoingo did lafond ever say why he lives there ?
gribble: Error: ";later" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo did lafond ever say why he lives there ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: (is it a 'not one foot of my motherland will i surrender to orc horde' thing ? or something else)
mircea_popescu: "i'm too old to do things, i'll just stick with what i know".
mircea_popescu: beseides, he has fambly.
mircea_popescu: and yes, ftr, the idiocies sprouting out of vorheees re the shapeshift thing smell of parallel construction a mile away.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: For Anthropologie!
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> beseides, he has fambly. << They live out in the country some distance, he discourages them from joining him on the plantation
phf: He seems to kind of enjoy. All that Conan ethos
BingoBoingo: People cope with their elderlyness in different ways
asciilifeform: conans swing sword, not duck into alleys
mircea_popescu: so by this theory he's going to butcher some black dudes one of these days ?
asciilifeform: if he were 'conan' aha
asciilifeform: instead of old man
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why is this cartoon bitch short ? ffs. at least the fantasy characters they could go to the trouble of making 1.78 or something.
mircea_popescu: i'm not asking for 1.83 or anything here already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it told us how tall ?!
asciilifeform: i utterly forget this.
asciilifeform: next mircea_popescu will tell us how tall was donald duck !
mircea_popescu: also F ids of the future will have tits in pic if i have any say in it.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, there is plenty of history concerning the elderly living vicariously through the adventures of those around them.
mircea_popescu: (pro tip for time travellers : go to future, see if F ids have tits, if not, can sell mpex i must've failed at some point.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is a great story tho, esp the ending
asciilifeform: very mircea_popescutronic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform gotta appreciate how short the id numbers are in 2112 tho. i guess conan musta wonan.
mircea_popescu: i mean wotan.
mircea_popescu: the pricing structure for this comedic silkroad thing is ridoinculous.
mircea_popescu: to kill public figure living on home planet with "personal security detail", 27k ; to kill random psychopath killer, 35k. to buy suit of entirely impervious armor, 8.7k. woman is bitching about wage slavery.
ben_vulpes: punkman, phf: neat, til
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: author clearly did not know the future, unlike mircea_popescu ..?
mircea_popescu: not to mention the only female is wanted alive. why the fuck is it that these cheesecunted lesbos with delusions of creativity will make a female heorine that gotta kill dudes only ?
mircea_popescu: cunt planet already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc author was a bloke
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apparently the world of the future consists of "12 dudes to kill and a hippy chick everyone wants to bang"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no he wasn't. author is certainly female. pre-op, perhaps, but anyway.
asciilifeform: eh it's less screamingly ridiculous than our present day !
mircea_popescu: the amount of divergence from sanity does not concern me nearly as much as the direction.
asciilifeform: long ago, allfather odin made a planet with mircea_popescu on it, and everything else was female, except for a tall and mighty stone. but eventually lichens ate away at the stone, it cleaved into two concave pieces, and they too were female.
asciilifeform: after that it was just one.
mircea_popescu: allfather ?!
asciilifeform: per voluspa
mircea_popescu: he'd better be fucking good at it, because historically mp doesn't tolerate ineptitude in fathers all too well.
asciilifeform: and when the great stone broke apart, mircea_popescu did say: 'verily it was pre-op'
mircea_popescu: pity the only illustrator went berserk last month, could have had a comic on your hands here.
asciilifeform: he dwelleth in the halls of spamalhalla now.
mircea_popescu: i tried to attract a coupla [chix] but very strange behaviour also.
asciilifeform: there was the one that drew the manticore
mircea_popescu: yeah, and she got paid, and then... that's the last i heard of her. somehow this is sensible, starving arists gets commission fall from sky, does 0 follow-up.
asciilifeform has monumentally nfi.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other end of the scale, trish whatshername, the oglaf chick, wouldn't commission. i dunno, i guess they must be rich in australia or w/e.
mircea_popescu: anyway. artists. were busy while the world was made, then starved.
mircea_popescu: inexplicably enough and who could have predicted.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu> yeah, and she got paid, and then... that's the last i heard of her. somehow this is sensible, starving arists gets commission fall from sky, does 0 follow-up. <- she does drawings, not following-ups ("eeek, business, work!")
mircea_popescu: if this is how her head works then rape's her only chance at starting a family
mircea_popescu: and bondage the only hope at continuing it once started ?
mircea_popescu: no wonder natality is down, who the fuck has all the rope.
diana_coman: well, I assumed she would know what follow-up is basically, which is quite an assumption really; I wouldn't be surprised if she simply considered that next assignment will "find" her just as this one did
asciilifeform: one day, mircea_popescu went into a bakery and bought a bagel.
asciilifeform: the next day, he went to his doorstep and opened door and notice that the baker had not come to his house.
asciilifeform: he went to the baker and threw him across the town in rage
asciilifeform: 'he thought next purchase would just come to him!'
mircea_popescu: bagel is seller's market. artistry is buyer's market. not the same thing.
asciilifeform: possibly. i confess i have ~nfi.
asciilifeform: (could it be, that if the artist is ~any good~, it is a seller's ?)
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as "good" outside of who your patrons are.
asciilifeform: there is such thing as bad tho
mircea_popescu: certainly. but neither chix were it.
mircea_popescu: i don't entertain teh bad.
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, actually that might be the confusion made there in fact: despite claiming precisely that they do NOT sell bagels, artists assume that they precisely sell bagels
mircea_popescu: which may explain why so much of their verbiage is dedicated to variations of that peculiar statement
mircea_popescu: as the bard put it, teh lady doth protest.
mircea_popescu: but re the "she just assumed that next assignment will "find" her just as this one did", i actually knew A LOT of these back when i was doing "business major/design/advertising" 20somethings in romania.
mircea_popescu: EXACTLY that. "this windfall proves that my passive, mystical windfall capture works well, and that there shall be more such in the future".
mircea_popescu: i suppose it's a variation of "feminity roles" nonsense, "being creative" means you gotta sit around and look pretty.
asciilifeform: this is how chix operate sop, no ?
asciilifeform: venus flytrap
mircea_popescu: who knew, my dislike of artists turns out to be the same general dislike of insufficiently whorish behaviour.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's how preteens operate, and the slower ones at that.
asciilifeform: some folx not sure they want to be in animal kingdom, would rather plant ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google veggies are your friends
gribble: I Can Be Your Friend Veggie tales - YouTube: <>; Veggies are your pals - YouTube: <>; John McCain and his Vegetable Friends - YouTube: <>
asciilifeform: thing is, being showered with windfall 'through no fault of your own' ~creates~ braindamage.
asciilifeform: think of the cargocultists.
mircea_popescu: which is why i keep it at a minimum.
mircea_popescu: there are no good solutions to humanatee's problems.
asciilifeform: picture if mircea_popescu sent some chick a kilocoin
asciilifeform: she'd go mad, tear out own organs, trying to find moar
mircea_popescu: notrly. laziness, as a behaviour, principally serves as an insurance against exactly this.
mircea_popescu: the human mechanism is homeostatic, even if shoddy.
asciilifeform: how's that
asciilifeform: she would begin to think 'i am worth kilocoin'
asciilifeform: and hate folks who offer less
asciilifeform: and descend into hades
asciilifeform: i dun get it, how does laziness protect ?
mircea_popescu: i meant specifically against rendering own organs.
mircea_popescu: it has the unintended side effect of locking smart bois into local minimums, also, and eventually spawns some variation of cccp/usg, but still. on the basic-est level, it prevents caveman who killed a mammooth from tearing out his spleen.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: wouldn't the 'my windfall catcher worx!11' approach be ~more~ emblematic of 'whoredom' than 'finally i found the great patron' ?
asciilifeform: the latter, at least to my untrained eye, looks more like marriage than whoredom
mircea_popescu: and it's not "finally found great patron" by any means.
mircea_popescu: a whore is an independent woman, who lives by her network, and takes care of it.
mircea_popescu: your idea of a whore sounds a lot more like gypsy family - where the man turns out the woman whenever hard up for cash.
mircea_popescu: that's whoredom in the sense kids coding php when needing money to go out is programming.
mircea_popescu: $up airgapped
asciilifeform: the kind visible with unarmed eye, aha.
deedbot: airgapped voiced for 30 minutes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform :)
mircea_popescu: plox to re-read my seminal "how to become a whore - start in highschool" piece.
mircea_popescu: where da fuck was it
mircea_popescu: << surprisingly, in english no less !
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lulzy
mircea_popescu: mno, it's how you do it. marx is lulzy. zig zigglar is lulzy. this is shop talk.
asciilifeform: knowing ~0 on subj, i must take mircea_popescu's word for it.
asciilifeform: (i'm not certain i have ever even ~seen~ a live whore)
mircea_popescu: the street discussion applies.
asciilifeform: which one
mircea_popescu: fuck off i go back to the search mines
mircea_popescu: the future is not too distant where i'll be spending my whole day with that!
asciilifeform: do we have a $s yet ?
deedbot: $s foo is not a command.
gribble: Error: "s" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform was this discussion re street performers and why they suck, street takes all and keeps no-one so ends up selecting for shit.
mircea_popescu: the point was girl inquiring why contrariwise to expectation, the longer they've been at it the worse they are.
mircea_popescu: you recall which this was ?
asciilifeform: tho the thread may have been about programmers
mircea_popescu: pretty sure it was about the shithead "artists" on avenida florida.
asciilifeform recalls thread but - as often is the case - has no foothold to find it by
mircea_popescu: we're doomed to eternal night.
asciilifeform: i might have to go into the magic cave where i keep the magic pills.
asciilifeform: see if we can cut a hole in the night.
mircea_popescu: this is not a solvable problem. the better the tools get, the more i'll shit on them to the point i can't recall wtf it all was - which is ~the only limit of human mental process.
mircea_popescu: much like crustaceans can't be helped - if you remove the things that kill them they'll just grow to death.
mircea_popescu: a ton, ten, a thousand, whatever it takes for organ failure.
asciilifeform: we're still, so to speak, pocket-sized.
asciilifeform: plenty of room to grow and swallow ships.
mircea_popescu: spoken like true olympian
asciilifeform: before the gigantism death.
asciilifeform: if nothing could die, and whole world were one gigantomollusc, where would the sea go, aha.
felipelalli: asciilifeform, (side question) "so to speak" was a HHH (Hoppe) reference? :)
asciilifeform: felipelalli: i have nfi who is that.
felipelalli: asciilifeform, ah! A modern libertarian writer.
asciilifeform: ah the 'democracy, god that failed' guy
gribble: (misc help [<plugin>] [<command>]) -- This command gives a useful description of what <command> does. <plugin> is only necessary if the command is in more than one plugin.
asciilifeform: i am not an aficionado. but it seems mr mold was.
asciilifeform: seems like it was where moldbug stole his basic thesis.
mircea_popescu: i don't get it, he's proposing that "someone" is going to go around killing people you don't like ?
mircea_popescu: who pays for this, god ?
asciilifeform: where's this
mircea_popescu: the video he just linked ?
asciilifeform: ah i'm on a text term
mircea_popescu: why are people so hung up on faggotry anyway.
mircea_popescu: seriously, i should make it my business what rando does with his penis ? wtf am i, the old guy side in the castellammarese war ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: somehow it turned into a flag in the usian cultural disassembly warz.
asciilifeform: dun ask me how.
mircea_popescu: who even cared ? this is what boggles me, the "we'll save ustard-flavour puritanism by focusing on THIS nonsense".
mircea_popescu: really, and you'll build a new world with this baggage ?
mircea_popescu: "socialism didn't ever fail - it was only badly implemented n times" "puritanism is not entirely and completely idiocy - o, no, was just not correctly applied. should have been applied to faggots only, then god would have delivered the mana shippment"
mircea_popescu: wtf already.
asciilifeform: my (admittedly limited) understanding is that 'obligatory faggotry' (where you gotta bend over for promotion or to get in the high crust etc) was always an undercurrent in anglo world
asciilifeform: and much of what is seen here, is a reaction to that.
mircea_popescu: except none of those idiots WERE EVEN CONSIDERED for that. ever. nor could have.
asciilifeform: hence reaction.
mircea_popescu: this is like bland middleaged woman that was obviously a bland middleaged teenager "fighting to protect women from sex work"
asciilifeform: which we see !
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm sure someone was going to pay to fuck you at some point.
asciilifeform: but this is precisely who descends into this kind of idiocy
asciilifeform: the 'driver from the back seat' or whatisit.
mircea_popescu: i s'pose.
mircea_popescu: very disqualifying, tho.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and waiwut what on earth is a 'middleaged teenager'
mircea_popescu: you know, like reese whither-your-spoon-with-her-endless-chin plays in the original cruel intentions.
mircea_popescu: girl from kansas with a career.
asciilifeform does not get the ref
asciilifeform puts on research list.
mircea_popescu: lame, boring, misguided teenager with too much parental influence.
mircea_popescu: "good girl" in some acceptions.
mircea_popescu: meh, the notion that people anyone hates enough to put contracts out for are EVER alone
mircea_popescu: this cominc is too lazy writing for me. bailing at page 22.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes lol "man of wealth and beer" ehehehe this should be an expression. then again in portland it prolly is.
mircea_popescu: thanks for giving me the good bullets for the next cascadian smart, intelligent and blabla chick i run into.
asciilifeform: 'man of wealth and beer' sounds about like 'man of wealth and cheetos'
mircea_popescu: quite :D
mircea_popescu: (it's the devil.)
mircea_popescu: "he's not after your soul, you clueless minge bag". because you see, minge, minj, cunt.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud minge
gribble: | The minge is not the actual vagina, but the hair surrounding the area. On the labia majora and the pubic mound. Loose, shaggy hair that is not neatly trimmed,  ...
mircea_popescu: o check it out, it moved.
mircea_popescu: anyway. is and has been the vulva for ~15`000 years.
mircea_popescu: ahahaha yar.
mircea_popescu: "bosom buddies"
mircea_popescu: check it out, beach landing jet :D
mircea_popescu: hey ben_vulpes i thought you were into jet enjines, knew a thing or two... about say the process of making glass ? in a jet engine ? starting from sand ?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i was thinking "could do with more nudity", there's really no reason her bra under the suspenders in that large sprawl is actually nipple covering rather than balconette style ; then "something i'm not allowed to mention in comics" ?! wtf all the censorsheep! is this like mainstream or something ? airs on nbc ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: The aspersation of all comikkk publishers is to sell to Disney or Warner Bros.
BingoBoingo: And maybe even air on NBC.
deedbot: [Qntra] Millennials, Apple Reject Capitalism Together -
BingoBoingo: There's really no non-qntra "independent media" that doesn't want to sell or suck up VC BJ buxx.
mircea_popescu: and in other news : balconette bra entirely exposes the nipple. the shit us puritards are trying to sell as balconette is demi-cup at best.
mircea_popescu: "the style has evolved from the 50s" my fucking foot.
asciilifeform: did anyone ever explain wtf exactly is a 'millenial' ?
mircea_popescu: ~= ustard.
mircea_popescu: however you dice it, by geolocation, age range, whatever, the fact remains there's a billion supernumerary on god's green earth.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my current understanding is that it refers to a young, rather than old, ustard
mircea_popescu: for instance i have nfi why the issue in the us pres election is whether to allow however many illegal aliens or w/e.
mircea_popescu: the question is why to allow the present 250mn idjits. should be deported to fucking namibia.
asciilifeform: and leave who in ?
mircea_popescu: the mexicans.
asciilifeform: why would mexicans want to live in mosquito-and-frost land ?
mircea_popescu: nobody could have predicted this question.
mircea_popescu: millenial is, give or take, the new chinese. if you recall the post-ww2 discussions of china.
asciilifeform: the folks whom 'nobody needs for anything' ?
mircea_popescu: aha. but are still there and any serious butchery would foul the blades
mircea_popescu: which are more valuable than them, collectively.
asciilifeform: the trad response to this kind of situation is to sell opium
mircea_popescu: proceeding ad lib.
asciilifeform: sorta like the best ant traps are the ones where the ants come and eat all they like and it is delicious
asciilifeform: reminds me, gotta buy moar
mircea_popescu: i don't agree with this, tbh.
asciilifeform: hey i tried every other kind, and this is the only one that nukes the colony
mircea_popescu: best ant trap is fucking the queen and organising ant defense perimeter around your house.
asciilifeform: ahahahaha
asciilifeform pictures this.
asciilifeform: punkman: Run Moar Winblowz!!
hanbot: << nubbins` was not an illustrator. his *wife* was the illustrator.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 15:48 mircea_popescu: pity the only illustrator went berserk last month, could have had a comic on your hands here.
hanbot: nubbins` is just this dude that amused you once with his bitcointalk drama antics two years ago and spent the interval trying to parlay it into as much $$$ as possible.
mircea_popescu: heh. that's a point isn't it.
mircea_popescu: i guess the solution for the naive chicklet progresses to the burned out has-been artist : the addition of a "business mind" to look after her affairs / make sure she doesn't get ripped off.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 16:01 mircea_popescu: meanwhile at the other end of the scale, trish whatshername, the oglaf chick, wouldn't commission. i dunno, i guess they must be rich in australia or w/e.
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 16:05 diana_coman: well, I assumed she would know what follow-up is basically, which is quite an assumption really; I wouldn't be surprised if she simply considered that next assignment will "find" her just as this one did
mircea_popescu: not a bad theory of the world.
asciilifeform: after departure of nubs, who will print trb!1?111
asciilifeform: who will edit the source down to b00k form!11
mircea_popescu: depending how long it takes, some samizdat house ?
mircea_popescu: how do you know books will even be legal by then
asciilifeform: i wanted artistic, with human leather!1111
asciilifeform: ordinary b00k, i can print right now
asciilifeform: i actually had recently a hardcover glossy printed of the mega-ada guide in ru
asciilifeform: l0l kbdfail
mircea_popescu: hm. i dunno, maybe the mongols ? who does human leather even
a111: Logged on 2013-08-15 15:48 mircea_popescu:
asciilifeform: (does anyone still recall how trb was originally something i asked nubs to make!)
asciilifeform: << who bought what from nubs, other than us - the tshirts ?
a111: Logged on 2016-04-27 19:20 hanbot: nubbins` is just this dude that amused you once with his bitcointalk drama antics two years ago and spent the interval trying to parlay it into as much $$$ as possible.
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 281479271743489 is NOT PRIME ! Modulus has mirrored low-order 32 bits ! User(s): Robert L. Vaessen (MobileMe key generated with gpg) <>;
mircea_popescu: ;;google mobileme
gribble: MobileMe - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; iCloud: <>; MobileMe Control Panel for Windows - Apple: <>
danielpbarron: i got one of his b-a t-shirts that has since developed a hole on the arm-pit, and also a couple nsa shirts that he never sent
mircea_popescu: apple strikes again ?
asciilifeform: wtf is 'mobileme'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform apple "internet suite" pre getting lucky with the pods.
mircea_popescu: subscription based, too.
asciilifeform: interesting.
mircea_popescu: you recall ms's massively failful .net ? same thing, .mac
asciilifeform: looks like a networked disk thing
mircea_popescu: the move to icloud was pretty funny too.
mircea_popescu: "you got one month. wiping data after"
mircea_popescu: funnily enough, ~nobody sought to burn down apple for this.
asciilifeform: that kinda shit is sop in the 'cloud' business
mircea_popescu: ima have to file this as "the Apple standard" next time i have to come up with a term.
mircea_popescu: "you got one month. ha-ha!"
asciilifeform: long before crapple, vendors of, e.g., drm'd b00kz, music, did this
asciilifeform: 'sorry we're out of business, the drm server will be going down next week, sorry about yer loss, thx for the dough, bye'
mircea_popescu: ftr, it was iirc a $100 in 2000s dollars
mircea_popescu: ie about 2-300 bucks today.
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, appletards also didn't find this problematic. apparently for worthless rubbish, no sum is too large.
ben_vulpes: friend had photos from his android device show up on his girl's mme account one time
asciilifeform: trick is for the rubbish sold next door to be moar worthless.
ben_vulpes: best guess anyone had is that she plugged his phone into her computer one time and imported everything into iphoto and thence mme
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: 'pebcak'
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 3920631257 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): Christian Weiske <>; << pear guy.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you should see the hoops they jump through to get people saving their everything to icloud
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes oimsure.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu: no hoops, just the magic of selling gadget with nonupgradeable ssd
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: pear ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google php pear
gribble: PEAR - PHP Extension and Application Repository: <>; PEAR - PHP: <>; Manual :: What is PEAR? - PHP: <>
mircea_popescu: you know, where you want to compromise keys.
asciilifeform: l0ltr0nic
mircea_popescu: Public Exponent 35 is NOT PRIME ! User(s): ssh://; << i wonder...
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: that too
jurov: asciilifeform: if accepts ssh pubkeys, too?
jurov: *it - phuctor
asciilifeform: jurov: not as such
asciilifeform: you can, conceivably, convert an ssh key to an rfc4880 key
asciilifeform: and perhaps somebody did, and this is where the examples linked earlier came from.
asciilifeform: but i did not do such a thing.
jurov: if you remember, i sit on trove github keys
asciilifeform: naked ssh keys are not so interesting
jurov: and apart from few obvious breakages i did not find anything
asciilifeform: you'd have to add the purported owner's name somehow
asciilifeform: or it's a snore to read
jurov: there's their git profile name
asciilifeform: jurov: these are rsa keys ?
jurov: mostly rsa, but also dsa, i can filter them
asciilifeform: jurov: feel free to convert & throw'em in
asciilifeform: shinohai: lulzy. eat pistol at home - snore. eat at the office - nyooz, cameras, excitement!
jurov: kk. there's several million of them
asciilifeform: jurov: no rush
asciilifeform: $ curl -s | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime"
deedbot: $ curl -s | grep -c -i " 1 is not prime" is not a command.
jurov: lol would be fun if deedbot executed it
trinque: I'm removing that :p
trinque: deedbot's gonna be silent when it sees a $ that isn't a known command
trinque: jurov: I'll save that feature for drunkbot
jurov: trinque: i suggest rather to ignore only stuff that does not begin by $[a-zA-Z]
trinque: maybe later
trinque: it'll barf out loud if you run an existing command wrong
trinque: $asdfasdfasdf
trinque: $gettrust deedbot trinque
deedbot: L1: 1, L2: 5 by 5 connections.
trinque: $gettrust
deedbot hands you a broomstick.
jurov: $broomstick
ben_vulpes: /deedbot hands you a mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: jurov> if you remember, i sit on trove github keys <<< if you convert them it'd eat them
mircea_popescu: we were actually discussing going through shithub coupla days ago iirc
asciilifeform: afaik there is no ready converter, it would have to be written.
mircea_popescu: well yeah.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform isn't ssh2 rfc4880 compliant ?
asciilifeform: 4880 (earlier 2440) is the pgp format
asciilifeform: i know of no variant of ssh that eats it, or vice-versa
asciilifeform: i think ssh uses 'pem'.
asciilifeform: and iirc somebody already made a phuctor for ssh
asciilifeform: it portscanned randomly and got pubkeys
asciilifeform: i forget who/where.
mircea_popescu: a) "made", as in the bs they usually make ; b) phuctor works better the more keys it has by design
asciilifeform: (some chick)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tru!
mircea_popescu: apparently pem is 1421 and still different from 4716
mircea_popescu: dude it's almost as if these schmucks make the obfuscation deliberate. there should be ~no reason i have to use anything but my pgp key to ssh and vice-versa already
mircea_popescu: anyway. it would seem that by taking a ssh/ssh2 key, converting it to openssh format ($ssh-keygen -i -f > ) then replacing the headers/enders with correct values and adding a blank line after header/before comments you get a properly noted key.
mircea_popescu: also CRC will have to be supplied (or i guess ignored ?), and \ turned to \n continuation.
mircea_popescu: ssh header is for absolutely no reason ---- BEGIN SSH2 PUBLIC KEY ---- ie four dashes and a space instead of five dashes, and wtf is a "ssh2" key anyway.
mircea_popescu: doesn't exist anymore than a "pgp key" already.
mircea_popescu: have the decency to say -----BEGIN RSA PUBLIC KEY----- uniformly and be done with it. or ECC or w/e the fuck it is, CrS
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform linking garbage surefire way to get my blood boiling. WHY THE FUCK IS IANA INVOLVED IN THIS. i need them to "create andmaointain a registry" like i need warts inside my bladder.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: on top of all of this,
asciilifeform: iirc they use different representation for the bigints !
asciilifeform: or so i recall from last time i gave a shit
mircea_popescu: what, center-endian-by-parity ?
asciilifeform: and yes, whole thing is a deliberate crock-o-shit.
asciilifeform: how else did you think.
asciilifeform: crocks of shit this size do not occur naturally.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck does this fails to be obvious. YES YOUR RSA KEY YOU USE FOR "SSH" MUST BE INTEROPERABLE WITH THE RSA KEY I USE TO FUCK YOUR MOTHER.
asciilifeform: i'm not much enamoured of pgp format either.
asciilifeform: with its hardbaked sha1 etc.
mircea_popescu: this whole swamp will have to be drained. we need : a) sane key exchange format. sane here means correctly extensible and key-based, not "process" or "usage" based. b) sane ssh/pgp/etc
mircea_popescu: basically reduces to gossipd yet again huh.
mircea_popescu: obviously once gossipd is an actual thing, the only way to talk to your boxen becomes gossipd.
mircea_popescu: they know to take your stuff seriously and everyone else's less seriously
mircea_popescu: sudden granularity.
asciilifeform: 'sane ssh', at least as prototyped in my chamber of horrors, is 'g'
asciilifeform: see old thread.
mircea_popescu: they'll end up interoperating.
asciilifeform: all 3 really part of same thing.
asciilifeform: presently nameless.
mircea_popescu: in my head it carries the gossipname apparently.
asciilifeform: not unreasonable.
mircea_popescu: trinque> jurov: I'll save that feature for drunkbot << actually, here's a thought, spin up an aws instance, have deedbot execute stuff in there.
asciilifeform: sounds slow
mircea_popescu: i don't mean spin it up every time
mircea_popescu: i just mean, keep one for this purpose.
mircea_popescu: what's the worst that can happen, and if it does, you know who to send a bill to.
asciilifeform: would clutter logz with shell crapolade, no?
asciilifeform: $cat /dev/random
mircea_popescu: well ideally folks would use it reasonably, ie, only when making a point supposed to go into record
mircea_popescu: otherwise i could have girl bounce tits on kbd for half an hour neh ?
asciilifeform: yeah but easy to fuck up this.
asciilifeform: unlike tit bounce.
asciilifeform: (current recordholder is either ben_vulpes or asciilifeform , i forget which)
mircea_popescu: so we get another income source for the esteemed foundation jar.
mircea_popescu: anyway. the fact that we keep putting $bash in here is maybe not merely to be interpreted in the sense of "bot should ignore". maybe bot should execute.
mircea_popescu: shinohai i saw this a lot in egypt. girl would take everything off before the head piece.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: iirc roman thing too
asciilifeform: 'don't be naked!111'
mircea_popescu: (and then they'd get terribly insulted if you used it as a cum rag. wtf bitch, this is entrapment, you sucked it with a scarf on!)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and notice that her otherwise very cute belly fat that avg singer/actress/newswoman aspirant would not be CAUGHT DEAD in doesn't bother her in the slighrwest, nevertheless the cheekbones and eye area has been photoshopped into dead marble.
asciilifeform: aha, strange
mircea_popescu: femculture, it's a weird thing.
asciilifeform: i know ~0 about it
asciilifeform: and not because i have no way to find out, but because it does not stick to the teflon coating in my skullcase
asciilifeform: much like sport garbage
mircea_popescu: why so gyno miso soup.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform honestly i think it's not exactly "don't be naked" but moreover part of the "head conception". you know, like streetwalkers / actresses "gotta put their face on". the conception of what a head looks like includes the scarf and that's that.
mircea_popescu: absent that, ontological collapse, how is she going to EVEN EXIST if she can't turn her head just like so in respect to the scarf (as the girl in pic does).
asciilifeform: or perhaps it is to ~take off~
asciilifeform: when going off duty.
mircea_popescu: a man may work from sun to sun
asciilifeform: sorta how i wear a wristwatch when i'm slaving meaninglessly
mircea_popescu: but a woman's work is never done.
asciilifeform: so i can take it off at home.
mircea_popescu: there is no such thing as off duty. this may be the principal gender difference.
deedbot: [Qntra] Socialist Cuts Jobs On Campaign Trail -
asciilifeform: quite possibly.
asciilifeform brb, taking face off
BingoBoingo: In other news...
deedbot: [Qntra] Politically Inclined Serial Child Molester Gets 15 Months In Prison -
BingoBoingo: ^ Someone who would have used the contraption from that gif
BingoBoingo: But idk, maybe then he would have missed the thrill of the hunt or soemthing.
BingoBoingo: Though I guess I can see the pedogological value of Hastert's coachin methods, if you don't want to get molested all you got to do is get better at wrasslin than coach is.
BingoBoingo: I mean for a sport with individual competitions it also teaches group cohesion when everyone knows what coach does to the stragglers.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: talk about automating the reactor controls...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: dafuq
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: the lulziest bit is that it looks like he made it simply from what was on the desk
asciilifeform: plus the grinding wheel.
asciilifeform: (disk still on!)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: If you want less trigglypuffs on college campuses you need more Coach Hasterts in High School locker rooms.
asciilifeform: i still have nfi what is a 'trigglypuf'
asciilifeform: or how collegiate buggery cures it
shinohai: Big REd meets Kirby.
asciilifeform: or what those are.
BingoBoingo: Anyways a trigglypuff is a adipose type pokemon that does Q&A type sessions like this
shinohai: I read shit like that and I *want* iIran to nuke the US
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: phuctor - now has cache.
BingoBoingo: Anyways asciilifeform having a coach Hastert in High School lets kids grow up knowing the world is a dangerous place and that if they aren't careful there is the very real risk of coach buggering them in the locker room. Without a coach like that you get obeasts who misrepresent anti-sexual expressions of revulsion at their candidia ridden adipose folds as rape.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in 'flyover' usa, where every pupil is properly buggered, more - or - fewer ? 'obeasts' than on coasts ?
asciilifeform: inquiring mindz want to know.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: well, if you dun wanna wrassle better than coach what better way to protect your butthole than with a thick layer of folds that block the hole.
BingoBoingo: But coaches don't really bugger in flyover country anymore.
BingoBoingo: Hastert was one of the last of an era apparently.
BingoBoingo: Not obesity rates began their upwards march as he transitioned into politics.
ben_vulpes: having recently returned from detroit and misc ohio suburbs, my part of the coast has, in comparison, nearly zero 'obeasts'.
BingoBoingo: Now it's mostly the other wrassling students that bugger each other.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: Hit up any walmarts to photograph the fauna on your safari?
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what's cache do ?
gribble: Current Blocks: 409199 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 48 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 8 hours, 55 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: keeps db from having to be queried every time
asciilifeform: (should make the site 'slashdot'-proof in theory)
mircea_popescu: i dun think shashdot is linking to it ever again tho.
asciilifeform: prolly not!
mod6: <+asciilifeform> phuctor - now has cache. << cool
mod6: <shinohai> nice work << thanks! working on changes.
shinohai: I made a buncha fake tickets the graph system is super nifty mod6
mircea_popescu: $up King_Rex
deedbot: King_Rex voiced for 30 minutes.
King_Rex: ty mp
mircea_popescu: sure. who're you ?
mod6: shinohai: ah cool, thanks for testing that out.
mod6: :]
King_Rex: no one of particular import
King_Rex: reading up on the schism w/ b-a
King_Rex: is qntra affected?
mircea_popescu: not so far
BingoBoingo: Qntra is a rock above drama in other business concerns.
BingoBoingo: When qntra falls, it falls to rise again after smashing and spreading a drama below the clouds in which qntra sits.
asciilifeform: in other 'news', ultrasonic baths are great and i have nfi why did not buy one years and years ago.
asciilifeform: will degrease / decruft pretty much anything that fits inside.
BingoBoingo very surprised alf did not have this
BingoBoingo: just be careful with plastics in there because may be degreased out of being.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not only works with plastics, but won't even ruin optics
mircea_popescu: hey, great for cleanning teeth also
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: not if you use the good stuff in there...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: teeth?!
asciilifeform: mine aren't removable...
asciilifeform: (at least, not easily)
mircea_popescu: there's a special us tool dentists get
mircea_popescu: tho it's actually splendid for cleaning up any ensonced grime.
asciilifeform: ah! the brain liquifier!
BingoBoingo: $up King_Rex with the redundant nick
deedbot: King_Rex voiced for 30 minutes.
King_Rex: I cannot take credit for this redundant nick
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> there's a special us tool dentists get << my USian desntist brother if his stories are to be believed doesn't really ever get to use many tools other than various prying devices.
King_Rex: I must be going now, I'll be back to chat another time.
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 442.88, vol: 8533.04921368 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 442.503, vol: 10489.94919 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 442.9, vol: 50044.94376296 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 450.0, vol: 4.14958103 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 438.975126, vol: 47139.81980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 442.63, vol: 1945.8519032 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 446.35766, vol: 87.57636197 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 441.297009701
BingoBoingo: OMG Crashing!!!
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 409214 | Current Difficulty: 1.7867830767168845E11 | Next Difficulty At Block: 409247 | Next Difficulty In: 33 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 6 hours, 20 minutes, and 9 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
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