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(ossasepia) diana_coman: in other words: the world (and tasks) is not flat and if you don't even see the mountain, it just means you are actually ...underground, not yet at ground level even
(ossasepia) diana_coman: growth yes, but it has to build on where you are, it can't just jump 10 levels up all of a sudden "because that's what's needed right now"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: quite possibly yes, I can see that (a combination of "saying yes is easy" + "no real consequences if not delivering" + "works means sort of ")
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is some space for "bit sligthly more so as to motivate and advance faster" but it has to be still a considered choice I'd say
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter it's rather easy to end up in hot soup *because of * good intentions (that were just that, wanted to but had poorly evaluated/bit more than could chew)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and for the other thing offering is not just a "good intentions" thing - it's a commitment
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I don't know if it's about ignoring really, I wouldn't go that far; but for one thing pressing needs can't really make for a full, sane path just in themselves, it's a bit like living for emergencies only
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the 1st point is to build yourself up as roundely as possible (and as a side effect this will inevitably *also* position you in a much better place to help/answer pressing needs)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically yes, answer the trumpet calls by all means but that shouldn't be *all* you do
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha; and that you keep the whole thing entirely out of yourself which is not that good for building yourself up
(ossasepia) diana_coman: kk; at least no bug to report re logger, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it read: clear/pointed anywhere: how do you choose your hopper items anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: did the above get cut? or is it just the logger?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 11:36 diana_coman: lobbes, looking through your http://blog.lobbesblog.com/category/reporting/ posts there are 2 things that strike me: 1. some seem to just slip off without clarity as to what happened/what's your decision there (e.g. pizarro ads - did you hit a wall with it? did you postpone it (when/what)? did you abandon it? what exactly is it and from what specific causes?) 2. it doesn't seem all that clear/pointed anywhere: how do yo
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lemme fish it out
(ossasepia) diana_coman: here; not yet in the logs as the bot was not yet on
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: did you ever saw the questions/feedback of yesterday?
(trilema) diana_coman: onth now I still have to figure out where to stand a bot
(trilema) diana_coman: at refresh of bot's log page I notice the "snappy but visibly slower than phf's " aspect asciilifeform mentioned
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-09#1926567 -> inquisitive teenagers age irrespective sounds about right (not that I'd turn out a hard-working, knowledgeable adult bent on doing useful work, age irrespective)
(trilema) diana_coman read "this brat"
(trilema) diana_coman: trinque: cool; and yes, change of feeds was public and I had simply forgotten of it hence went to check the bot's help page.
(trilema) diana_coman: 5 months of quiet practice sounds almost zen
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: yes
(trilema) diana_coman: !q seen ben_vulpes
(trilema) diana_coman: is mimisbrunnr also lost at sea?
(trilema) diana_coman: I wish though I could actually access your blog from machine-other-than-toilet
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926531 -> got it, thank you! and readme seems quite very clear to me
(trilema) diana_coman: that makes sense
(trilema) diana_coman: yep; but if you use gnat.sockets you already eat that too anyway; so lots of stink in already.
(trilema) diana_coman: yes, my current understanding is exactly that - it's a stink anyway and unavoidably so might as well use python, at least it's quick and relatively clear
(trilema) diana_coman: ultimately sure; currently I don't know; I even sketched quickly an Ada thing - main trouble though is lack of proper db interface (and otherwise relying on GNAT.Sockets and therefore the whole strand of streams etc)
(trilema) diana_coman: and ftr I have no idea why did the other bots go for lisp anyway, did I miss somewhere the rationale for it?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: do you have any suggestion for what might "sumthingelse" reasonably be? because I can't see it
(trilema) diana_coman: and I find out I didn't miss at all not using python for years; onth no idea what else would be better for such a task since it can't be really clean anyway
(trilema) diana_coman: !q s too short
(trilema) diana_coman: !qhelp uptime
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw I noticed and very much liked that knob, asciilifeform !
(trilema) diana_coman: tbh I also don't quite grok what's the status re irc as there was the plan to move and so on
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no idea yet; and on one hand there's merit to "other than pizarro" but onth ugh where "other"
(trilema) diana_coman: well, I surely plan to run another bot myself, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm; the chan is meant to be official rather than community (like eulorum) so I suppose at some point we should, shouldn't we;
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: we don't run a logger; the site is on shared hosting with pizarro
(trilema) diana_coman: yeee, feels good to be back!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ftr and use of noobs, channel logs are at http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia
(ossasepia) diana_coman: by the sounds of it, at most I might need some awk to turn my local log in something the bot can eat so no big trouble there either
(ossasepia) diana_coman: looking forward to it
(ossasepia) diana-coman: asciilifeform: does it eat a txt log file (irssi-made)?
(asciilifeform) diana-coman: better to have a bot to reset once than no bot at all anyway
(ossasepia) diana-coman: and here: thank you asciilifeform !
(asciilifeform) diana-coman: thank you asciilifeform !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but falling over is the best way of learning so go ahead, you still have a few days until this Sunday
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, it's a vps and therefore smoke and mirrors/nothing yours anyway so there's nothing *more* to going all the way with the postmodernism at least; hopefully you don't intend to actually *rely* on the whole thing as something in anyway solid or even still working in a year's time (or whenever one of the chairs in that pile you rely on for "quick" gets knocked over/taken out)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: mk; but note that you're back to futzing with the blog so it better be indeed finished by this Sunday and really finished (i.e. you don't come back to it yet again in a few weeks time because x and y)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: did you just delete the latest posts on your blog??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: wtf is ghostwriter?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: what's your plan for the rest of this week as so far the *previous* Sunday weekly report is missing, your blog is ...changing shape(??) and messing about again, there was still nothing further after the "got sucked into office work suddenly and didn't even surface to say it but won't do that again"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes, looking through your http://blog.lobbesblog.com/category/reporting/ posts there are 2 things that strike me: 1. some seem to just slip off without clarity as to what happened/what's your decision there (e.g. pizarro ads - did you hit a wall with it? did you postpone it (when/what)? did you abandon it? what exactly is it and from what specific causes?) 2. it doesn't seem all that clear/pointed anywhere: how do you choose your hopper items anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: moreover, the blog is a *record* of history; you *may* adnotate and add to it and even mark parts as obsolete/striked through/whatever but you may *not* unhappen them wtf
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ugh, so auto-generator writes on your blog now? what's the point of having s.ragavan.co in there anyway if then it's 308g0wrjg33t398?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the point there is whether you are on her hands too or on your own
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, you know, let me know if I should instead talk to your sister :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol; gathering information is one thing; making decisions a different step though
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the other way of looking at it is that it's increasingly a burden on them - having to share responsibility for what it's not their lot; anyway, good on them and on you for stating that much
(ossasepia) diana_coman: even if you have to fall down a couple of times and hurt yourself until you get there - it's still learning
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and if they are fully honest, the truth is that "best for you" is inevitably being able to take and stand by your major decisions on your own
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I get that you "can trust" as in they want the best for you; the trouble however is whether they still can evaluate correctly that "best" given that you are outside what they actually know, it's pretty much this
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, so go back to India from time to time, you get to hang out with any and all friends still there too, much better anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: part of being an adult is that you don't care anymore about your parents' opinions and ideas as - hopefully - you outgrew them essentially
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol; that's at the end of the day their problem though, not yours
(ossasepia) diana_coman: your line got cut at w
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh, visiting the poorer shithole to the south, I see
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not to mention that I can't honestly point out something you "missed out" on by not going to London; onth missing out on trying unhealthy stuff while young enough to make it through kind of sucks because trying it later is not really a viable option
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: how often do you go back to India nowadays? (re no money, students tend to not have money but yeah, usually through their own doing, lolz; basically drugs and cigs were more interesting than london which tbh sounds like a rather sensible assessment for that age)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: where are you from more precisely?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: why so travel-adverse shrysr ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, near Reading
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: I'm in Reading
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the point of those posts is to *record what happened* , not to paint you in some light or another
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but again, it's a fixed thing, non-negotiable once set; whatever it is you did or did not do, goes in there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you want in addition to set yourself a daily blog post too on whatever you worked on during that day, fine
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the above is the minimum and *fixed*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it has nothing to do with that first or the other second
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: sounds like a mess; report is fixed: set aside a day and *stick to it*; i.e. *every week* on Sunday you write down on younghands.club the summary of what you did during the week and how it went
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re v.py, since it seems to be a hard task, maybe write down what you did /tried so far and where/what got you stuck; you might even get some help then
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, glad to hear you're still alive :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ha! what was the distracting thing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: far better to say it upfront than to have me either shout after you as above or otherwise... assume whatever I might end up assuming instead, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it can happen but the important thing is: SAY it; as quickly as you notice it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: are you still alive ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: good you said something - I had to fish it out of the spam (not sure why it went there directly, hm)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: you can bring auctionbot in here, sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: how's the v.py stuff going?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: apparently feedbot, not deedbot
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: deedbot can notify me (if I ask it to follow the comments feed), yes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ugh, now I don't even know if my comment made it to your blog or not; ftr here it is: http://p.bvulpes.com/pastes/VOALe/?raw=true
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: validator.w3.org for instance reports 2 a tags that are messed up
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and try not to carry "habits" without even examining them, especially across boundaries: some things are so fundamentally different that you'll come to grief here precisely for what was "needed" there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: by the sounds of it you really need to evaluate /clarify your context a bit better.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: was your experience here so far: 1. "had to ask to get feedback"? 2. really all that similar to "the ppl I've interacted" with before?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: do you see how the "do you have any more feedback" does *not* align with what you just stated though?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: good then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: if you are under some impression that you are doing me some great favours, better spill it out right now and be done with it, so we don't waste time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: while I like you and I am willing to help you, it does *not* follow that it's now my obligation or something.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: note also that feedback will come whenever/if someone has time /is so inclined; asking "do you have anymore" is at best impertinent
(ossasepia) diana_coman: specifically here if you focus on describing something, you would need to identify and mention at least any underlying principles (hence MP's observation that indeed, if you are to discuss it as a concept, you have to use the theory that is relevant
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 2. while you switched to "what is X", this switch requires a different approach too and it's not clear you are aware of it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the silent part especially is problematic, don't change things silently!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: 1. you switched from comparison X vs Y to "what is X" *silently*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: there are 2 things you should be aware of:
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it is markedly better anyway even if inevitably more vague - after all you *are* discussing it in general;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: doesn't your irc client notify in any way when your name is said? it should, set it up properly.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you got feedback in #trilema from mp already
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's not a tall order, is it; lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: I'm not much for movies really, esp relatively new ones
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically "power" through obscurantism; for as long as you make sure you live among idiots, you may be "powerful"; sounds like a terribly poor deal to make this being the mage of the idiot tribe but what do I know
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: magic incantation, neh; ofc won't tell
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (nothing wrong with that, quite on the contrary but it's the only case when it's worth it)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: at any rate, so did you find out at least how to log in to any facebook account?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the boring part about hacking though is that it's ultimately this sort of "find the magic incantation that works...for now"; and then repeat; it is true that the whole mess that is "computing" nowadays is full of holes and so lots of incantations to find but ...it still sounds like a terrible waste of time to me unless you really are actually decided to burn everything down
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: why this sudden interest re hacking though?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well then, it's theirs so at least not your problem as it were but anyways.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you'd better make sure it is yours if you work with it, I'd say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, I don't know; is it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so you are effectively asking me if your computer is really *your* computer
(ossasepia) diana_coman: note also that if I do have control of that computer, it's by definition *my* computer, not yours
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's not one of those kids "hacking clubs" or anything
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lolz, no idea nor interest really; but why this interest in "hacking"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: before you can even attempt such a thing, you'd need to define computer and hack at the very least and even then I don't see how you'd go about any sort of actual proof
(ossasepia) diana_coman: conversely, to actually answer yes, one would need a *proof* that "for any X a computer, can hack it"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not even come across; but simply a single negative example is *enough* to invalidate that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "strong" in there refers to a claim covering a full set
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and yes, the strong statement is "can hack *any* computer"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: young again! :))
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: basic logic: what does it take to invalidate a strong statement like that ("all")?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ask but learn to ask *better questions*; that thing there as it stands is on the level of 5 year old "questions"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: no, lol; nobody can a generic thing like that really; ask better questions, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the depth however is not about "new words" but really about the depth of meaning of known words and/or the fitness of new words as in truly mapping onto something that was previously missing
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the depth of "slang" as you call it is pretty much an indication of how deep the activity in that space goes i.e. ultimately whether it's a little club (I think most kids even go through some stage when they feel cool just for making their own words) or an established if rather stable activity or innovating and with how deep an impact
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I should clarify there: the fuzzier words get for someone new/coming from outside mainly (i.e. lacking all those accumulated contexts)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but this is a whole *other* branch of that tree for your study so make a note but leave it for laters
(ossasepia) diana_coman: human languages have this fuzziness and the more expressive they are (i.e. the more the words are actively used in various contexts and by various people who actually know all sorts of things), the ..fuzzier they get basically because they gain more and more shades of meanings
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and pretty much living under the impression that *their* nonsense is of course the *real thing*, as that's how those things always go
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: anyway, re article (with the caveat that kakobrekla turned out rogue and I can't say I ever quite figured out his mind in any case): the point there is simply that there are 2 groups s1 and s2, each of them talking self-importantly their own brand of nonsense
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the original urban dictionary def goes along the lines of "doing something very stupid/dopey" but I'd say meanwhile in TMSR it gathered much more specifics, hence "term of art"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: "herp derp" as a verb or noun is a ...term of art; a log search can help perhaps http://btcbase.org/log-search?q=herp+derp
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is no such *condition*; V1 and V2 are different evaluations of the same action (different because they are done by different agents but the results may be or may be not the same)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in more pedestrian expression: whatever you choose to do, there WILL be some to think you're great and some to think you're an idiot
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that part of the sentence says that there is no reliable way to choose your action so that *all* its evaluations by all the different nodes are above some threshold (e), no matter what that threshold is (e.g. 0)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: are you familiar with mathematical notation + reasoning?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "for an arbitrary e"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it says right there in the sentence you highlighted.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: stop over-optimising upfront essentially; if you muck about much more with the website, I'll just banish it entirely and comment/read strictly from younghands.club and that's that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re the selection thing not working, it might very well be that it's some limitation of your setup or indeed whatever "improvement" in all sorts of versions of anything and everything
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "oh, wp is made for this task and it would be easiest..BUT here's this shiny thing that sounds cool and I'm itching to try it " or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and why are you all of a sudden falling in love with git anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: what is a "static blog" ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: understand that you may *not* "gain" whatever it is you think you gain (enhanced! optimised! faster!) at the expense of someone else; in plain terms: ofc you can "gain" heat by burning your motel's furniture but that's no gain
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: ftr, as far as I remember, the selection thing was simply a matter of a few changes in the *theme* you are using so no idea what is going on in there (and the original post explained it quite step by step iirc)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: also, what's with the text-in-paste approach? it's text, write it here, I can read several paragraphs, you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you have tags there too, use them
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you don't want to muck around, there is younghands.club, post it all there and be done with it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: is your idea that I make now an account on your platform so that I further also give you feedback or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: heh; trouble is you can't do those things on the quiet - i.e. say it upfront, don't just keep quiet about it until it's figured out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: an unfortunate side of the remote interaction is that it does require even *more* details in what you publish as there's no other way for me to see and give you feedback on it otherwise
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'm not going to dig through the irc log after them
(ossasepia) diana_coman: do me a favour though and do publish those end-of-day lists under their own category or whatevers but so that we can reference them when/as needed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: hopefully the experience sticks so that next time you ask and/or investigate *before* "choosing"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: your options now are instead: 1. you stick with what you have for now because it was there and you don't yet have the time to get something better - in this case, you live with whatever minuses it has, including no-selection 2. you switch to Apache on the grounds that a. those TMSR people chose it over nginx and they seem to know what they are doing - make a note to search for it one day! + get the selection thingie precisely like those cool people in tmsr
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: well, retroactively is retroactive you know? can't push the baby back so stop pretending it's even possible; you don't really have the option "what are the differences" since you have no idea on either A or B as it were
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there IS something to that even, but then you have to live with no-selection-thingie
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so let me get this straight: you got nginx because it happened to be there but now you can't switch and be done with it because you don't know the difference?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or let me guess, there is an article saying not to use apache?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so then switch to apache and be done with it, what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: that list earlier is what exactly, your to-do-list for today ? or for what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyway, this sounds like one of those that *can* wait for now
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that aside, the "web" is a pile of shit, sure; but until and unless we clear it up, we live with and in it, no way around this.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you do realise that there's "an article saying" for anything you substitute for "saying", yes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: now you get to re-examine your well-founded reasons for choosing nginx over apache :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha, it happens;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because guess what, life is full of interruptions of all sorts.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: end-of-day-notes are also there to support you next time you come back to the task - a sort of quick "get back into the flow" thing
(ossasepia) diana_coman: + "if time permits, z, t, w" etc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so where's the end-of-day list (or whatever other format you prefer): so far overall I think it does this and that ; my python setup changed this way and that; pending tasks x y z
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and open up if something is wrong, before it gets worse - there's no crystal ball so unless you make it public, nobody can help you with it, whatever it is (planning or anything else)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sounds sensible
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: dont even want to tell myself that this is what I shd do now. Its all bullshit. -> the plan is not "telling you what to do now"; it's helping you keep on track and measure your progress; the *what* should flow *from* causes (e.g. you eat now because you are hungry now, not because some master plan says that at this precise hour you should eat every day).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: btw, how's the v.py investigation going?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: leave yourself *some* space for free flow too but within clearly defined boundaries (of a plan), essentially; and yes, it's not an easy thing to get right, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: by the sounds of it you are 1. focusing on the wrong thing ("do what/if I want but end up with what I need") 2. either planning the wrong thing or to the wrong level (and from earlier, possibly too detailed when you don't yet know the details)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: planning that you then fail to follow (and repeatedly i.e. predictably) sounds precisely like "I struggle with planning"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: mk; *why* did you not do the planned task, did you figure that out?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: if you struggle with the planning, publish your current schedule /plan and ask for help; as always, this is the way to go about it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this is why I asked you to write a daily report as to what you did; I did not ask however for it to be written/published at 8pm every day
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the rigorous time chunking schedule sounds too tightly controlled - something like that will probably work only if either you're extremely disciplined or otherwise you live with someone who forces that on you; you need to be strict about "every day I do 2 hours of X" but don't push this into the automaton/depressing planning every minute of your day
(ossasepia) diana_coman: choose your teacher but once chosen stick to them.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ultimately yes, learning happens only if you submit to a teacher; is this news?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: focus for now on learning what you are set and forget about setting yourself - on one hand you can't really set yourself because you don't know what you don't know and on the other hand it will free you from the pressure of "oh,what if I miss something shiny" and from the bouncing about and from the burnout
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ultimately if you keep just bouncing about, there is no way I can help you either and it will come to grief
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: so you know, leave that part to me since you want to learn with me: stick to what I set for you to do and only that; write anything "new and shiny" in the "I might be interested in this" but do NOT just follow it blindly
(trilema) diana_coman imagines MP throwing lappy into the soup pot in the fridge
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: understand that there's no rush; as you can see, I've been around for a while and TMSR has been around for a while so it's not one of those "get it now, latest buzz" thing
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but do get some focus and stick with it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you need to, maintain also the tree of what you want to add in as soon as there is some opening for it, sure
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because you risk burning out as it were, if you keep going on in this butterfly-mode
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: from your work so far I'd say you are still jumping about a bit too much; I let it be for now as it's all the excitment of new and there's a lot to get in but soon you'll have to settle down a bit for the longer term
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: the core of it is simple really (and TOO much focus on tools and structuring and whatnot is quite often a way to avoid the work) - concrete steps (e.g. "I'll write 500 words daily", "I'll read all about and related to the WoT on TMSR blogs"; do without fail what you set out in your plan; compare results with expected results and feed that back into "making a plan" for next item
(ossasepia) diana_coman: then again there are some parts that in time you'll cut out the way that works for you: e.g. physically write notes or not; what tools to use.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: there are some parts that are universal aka same for everyone: you NEED to look up stuff you don't know rather than skip it; you NEED to write in your own words as it helps you structure and go deeper; you NEED to plan in writing and in concrete steps as otherwise inevitably it will "slide" (aka you'll lie to yourself one way or another);
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re notes, it depends a lot on what I'm reading but in general I tend to take them as I read, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: by the way, you haven't actually answered ^
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re http://ossasepia.com/2019/07/03/growing-young-hands/#selection-81.325-81.534 the algorithm is always the very simple and same: make a written (this is mandatory, it HAS TO BE written) plan; start implementing it; review periodically how it's going (and/or change the plan accordingly)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it will probably first grow more than it shrinks but keep at it and it *will* gradually start decreasing too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as a starting compromise, you can basically make your tree of "must read this" and then work on it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but on the other hand, it's the only way to truly gain knowledge as opposed to skimming the surface
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (as a side note, do you see how lulzy the 5 minutes read! thingie on dev.to or whatever other similar nonsense actually is, if one really want to learn something?)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it IS true that especially at first this can easily grow into reading 10 days from 1 single post
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: as a rule, whenever you meet something you don't know, you *should* stop and look it up/read it so yes, follow the links
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: eh, that's a bit too intricate to extract it publicly really; let's say it's not all automated though, humans are involved!
(trilema) diana_coman: !!v BE8333B709761CC9477FE61D51A940B70EF3C7641C9F4B80EE5B6A87DFD65470
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: re game dev no; the history is in the #eulora logs (logs.minigame.biz) and as a summary to start with http://ossasepia.com/2018/03/30/my-first-2-years-as-cto-for-minigame/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as for the rest, there's a long history of my interaction with MP first, before there even was any sort of TMSR (it starts here: http://ossasepia.com/2009/12/18/despre-fantasme/ ) so I suppose you can say I was there from before the beginning.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: perhaps remember it's a republic, hence R at the end, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: "and then imitating + improvising" i.e. doing.
(trilema) diana_coman: lobbes: sounds good.
(trilema) diana_coman: I admit that I always pictured Ukr as "oh no, more of Husi"
(trilema) diana_coman: works, will change to that.
(trilema) diana_coman: oh, lemme guess re kiev - nobody ever actually cleared the drains since... USSR?
(trilema) diana_coman: and yes, FFA is a gem.
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: had changed it before that to "is not always considered"; do you think it's best "is not always to be considered"?
(trilema) diana_coman: I suppose I "made him jump" , lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: how does one imagine they can "learn" while hiding under the bed, I have no idea
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