#trilema | 2019-08-08

mircea_popescu: dun dun dun.

lobbesbot: mircea_popescu: Sent 2 weeks, 3 days, 11 hours, and 14 minutes ago: <mp_en_viaje> remember you wanted to !!rate -10 princessnell http://btcbase.org/log/2019-07-22#1924146

mircea_popescu: damn. i'm not gonna do that now wth.

asciilifeform: ohai mircea_popescu

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you voice the thing , it'll echo

mircea_popescu: one sec let me figure out how the fuck you handle the autovoice lists

mircea_popescu: poor guy.

asciilifeform: !qhelp

snsabot: asciilifeform: my valid commands are: seen, s, src, help, uptime

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926179

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 15:43:31 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ worx

mircea_popescu: i don't fucking get it though. how the fuck do lobbesbot and scriba have voice ?

mircea_popescu: they're not autovoiced, did deedbot give it to them ?

asciilifeform: gotta ask'em

mircea_popescu: can you grep your log see plox ?

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: deedbot gave 'em voice

asciilifeform: * lobbesbot (~limnoria@104.244.76.215) has joined #trilema

asciilifeform: * deedbot gives voice to lobbesbot

mircea_popescu: soooo.... lobbes knows how to do this rsa thing huh

asciilifeform: so, hm, loox like he has gpgism ? or, did trinque have speshulcase table

mircea_popescu: props lobbes.

asciilifeform: lessee what he says

mircea_popescu: aite, im not gonna add auctionbot and lobbesbot to +V list then, because they're like... the only bots that don't suck ?

mircea_popescu: blessed be the innocent, they don't even know what happened lolz.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: more interestingly, asciilifeform found that he has py-de-gpgation thing already lying around from when wrote snsa-shop telecontroller. so actually can bolt it on. would rather genesis current ver 1st tho.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, sure.

asciilifeform: !q src

snsabot: asciilifeform: my source code can be seen at: http://not.yet

asciilifeform: ^ will point to vpatch...

mircea_popescu: nice!

mircea_popescu: alrighty, looks like http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/ is now undone. welcome back everyone!

asciilifeform pleased to be back on the air !

mircea_popescu: is there more stuff i need to do while op'd actually ?

PeterL: good to see things back up and running!

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: maybe add the logger www to banner ? if you feel like

asciilifeform: PeterL: there's still coupla missing knobs in www logotron (quoted strings for search; pagination for same; backlinkage)

mircea_popescu: hey BingoBoingo now that i can drop it in, do you recall the lafond article in question ? i remember fucking reading it, but i can't find it again ;/

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, actually, ima edit the join message.

asciilifeform: worx

mircea_popescu: -ChanServ- [#trilema] To speak in #trilema you must be voiced. If you have a RSA key registered with deedbot, send !!up to it in a private message, decrypt the challenge string and return it with !!v ; else politely ask one of the voiced people to voice you. << meanwhile became total bs.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lemme know if you want the clock fiddled, i think it's gmt right nao

mircea_popescu: i dun care tbh. i move too much anyway

asciilifeform: aite then!

BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: https://www.jameslafond.com/article.php?id=4309

asciilifeform: re mircea_popescu's postmortem -- perhaps phf still in bed half-dead, but wtf was errybody else's excuse.

mircea_popescu: /msg ChanServ SET #trilema ENTRYMSG To speak here you must be voiced by one of the lords. Talk to asciilifeform , BingoBoingo , diana_coman , hanbot , trinque

mircea_popescu: ^ anyone else actively maintaining a castle i forgot in the list ?

mircea_popescu: or anyone want off it ?

asciilifeform: would say mod6 but dunno if 'active'

mircea_popescu: i wouldn't send anyone to learn from mod6 as things stand.

asciilifeform: fwiw i left him out of the init roster. if he comes back to life will consider to add

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu lemme know at any pt if you want chans in there (i think i got all the currently alive people)

mircea_popescu: chans huh ?

mircea_popescu: oh, added to logger ? #eulora plox

PeterL: maybe point to the castles? (Bingoboingo at #pizarro, etc) but that might make the message too long?

asciilifeform: iirc there was >1 eulora ? (eulora-debug) or sumthing

mircea_popescu: i dunno, i only read this and #eulora lolz

asciilifeform: then i think we're current

mircea_popescu: PeterL, let the lord make that call i think.

PeterL: yeah, I guess if somebody messages you then you can just say "talk to me in #whatever"

mircea_popescu: yes. or not.

asciilifeform: nao in re mechanicals -- bot is written from 0 using bare sockets. www end and bot eat a common config, there are nomoar 'magic' constants in the proggy. so it will be pretty simple to set up mirrors after genesis, if anyone is up to it

asciilifeform: also all of this wasn't particularly hard, lobbes gave up imho too quickly.

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926179 << ok well, this seems to be back then. #trilema is again in session, hear ye hear ye, all pleas will be heard and all claims will be settled. speak your mind, we're back in business.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 15:43:31 mircea_popescu: dun dun dun.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, pretty cool.

asciilifeform: pre-gen. sneakpeak of botism.

asciilifeform: which reminds me, another phfism i gotta clone, that paste-stasher

mircea_popescu: yes, that's quite useful.

asciilifeform: i cannot resist to ask, where the everliving fuck was trinque during all of this.

asciilifeform: ( if let's say i needed to move a coin, would have moved ? or also out to lunch )

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, also, the gfx part plox.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, one way to find out.

mircea_popescu: afaik he never was more than a day or so moving coin.

mircea_popescu: which was the original spec.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: after genesis will be pretty easy to stand up local copy. so in fact if you like can set the colours in person and vpatch, i will read, sign, upload to dulap..

mircea_popescu: i guess there's no way i can wiggle out of this, is there

mircea_popescu: i guess we find out if i can vpatch while traveling.

asciilifeform: well can also do like we did FG site and mircea_popescu write 'hey make the grey deeper' and then asciilifeform goes an' turns knob. but, will take longer i expect.

mircea_popescu: do you realise every time i do a keyop it's ~half hour of slavegirl time going blind on asciisoup ?

asciilifeform: sorta how i pictured it, yes

mircea_popescu: i mean yes i got multiples, and the flesh is willing... but my spirit's weak, i confess i kinda like them.

asciilifeform: this is potentially solvable , if not 'by next week', see also

snsabot: Logged on 2019-07-29 10:21:41 asciilifeform: dun have to be much bigger than fg per se, really.

mircea_popescu: yea ; or i could've jus ttaken ocr guns along. but somehow i was naive, the romanticism of the idea appealed at the onset.

mircea_popescu: ohai diana_coman

asciilifeform blows dust off crate of chinese ocr modules he was evaluating in '17 for such use

asciilifeform: wb diana_coman

mircea_popescu: i have working ocrtron, just, didn't pack it. already diana ross over here, 200+lbs of shit.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these were pcb-mounted things, for potential inclusion in larger device.

asciilifeform: about 30gram ea.

mircea_popescu: every time girls start unloading bags airline checkin woman's eyes widen

diana_coman: yeee, feels good to be back!

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, oh oh. mine are the actual guns. i dunno, not THAT heavy, more bulky i guess. and rigid and so on. i should get newer, but then can you trust newer hardware ?

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, do we run a logger on minigame servers btw ? or no webserver keks

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, is there any mutualization in the end, or not yet ? imo one massive win would be for loggers to put out ~signed~ dumps so they can mutually sync

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not easy to picture how might fuck up ocr pistol, but i suppose not impossible

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i have a half-written 'raw csv' shitter knob, won't make it into genesis but prolly will be among 1st patches afte

asciilifeform: r

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, items from the 80s, reliable, because back then um process. items from 2010s, who the fuck knows what ic is in there and what it does /

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had nfi 'qr' even existed in '80s

asciilifeform: who made this ?

asciilifeform: or is it plain barcode eater ?

mircea_popescu: yup.

mircea_popescu: apparently can't find online. japanese thing, white plastic, squarish

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re synced-loggers -- i sat for whole day thinking about this, but in the end came to same conclusion as mircea_popescu , i.e. that it is moar complicated than appears, fleanode will liberally reorder lines

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: we don't run a logger; the site is on shared hosting with pizarro

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, i meant, do you think we should

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: something like bitcoin's merkle-style order-indep. hashing would potentially work . but still relies on clock sync, otherwise no 2 boxes have same notion of interval to be hashed

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, yeah, though "more reaearch needed", seems direct stepping stone to gossipd after all.

asciilifeform: would have to, as i understand, dispense with notion of time, and go by '# lines'

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: indeed

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu, diana_coman : at the very least, would ~very~ much like there to be at least a 2nd logger, somewhere other than piz, for redundancy

mircea_popescu: is the nsa one on piz ?

asciilifeform: ( phf's still worx, but i have nfi whether will for how long )

mircea_popescu: doh, of course it is.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it lives on dulap

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: hm; the chan is meant to be official rather than community (like eulorum) so I suppose at some point we should, shouldn't we;

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and incidentally frontend is based on ye olde phuctor's

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, conceivably. besides, he has a point, not bad to have another one.

mircea_popescu: though in fact not that great if all on pizarro either

diana_coman: well, I surely plan to run another bot myself, yes

mircea_popescu: where ?

asciilifeform: btw here's a headache : seems like fleanode dun support hashed pw. at all.

asciilifeform: it's either sslism or plaintext 'errybody in same cage sees'

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, ssl keks

asciilifeform: current bot -- the latter

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, honestly i wouldn't worry about this, let's see who steals it.

asciilifeform: theoretically can sit it down behind znc, and run sslism to fleanode, but i fuckinhate sslism

diana_coman: mircea_popescu: no idea yet; and on one hand there's merit to "other than pizarro" but onth ugh where "other"

mircea_popescu: as crazy joe davola once said, "i like to encourage intruders"

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, aha.

mircea_popescu: we consider this.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, incidentally, you ever saw eg http://trilema.com/2012/activitatea-utilizatorilor-pe-fain/ ?

asciilifeform: for instance right nao anyone leasing a box on piz, can hear the pw

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not seen, iirc

diana_coman: tbh I also don't quite grok what's the status re irc as there was the plan to move and so on

mircea_popescu: it's a data visualization, back then i ran a ro digg ; that's users / activity.

mircea_popescu: it might be nice, have something like that for loggers, you know. though i dun specifically know what.

asciilifeform: i recall the 'ro digg' aha

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: phf's had the activity graph. i did not clone it

asciilifeform: cuz never found it esp. useful

mircea_popescu: diana_coman, the plan was to first federate, then move. we're not progressing re federation.

asciilifeform: but theoretically can be made

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i asked for it ; and then i didn't find it that useful either. i'm guessing i just don't understand what wuld be useful exactly.

asciilifeform: the beauty of 'publish the fucking src' is that in principle can then add knobs.

mircea_popescu: quite so.

mircea_popescu: ima have to train myself into comprehension that indeed, we've finally come to sanity, can now add knobsd.

asciilifeform: right nao i have 1 knob that phf did not, the activity ticker on top of page

asciilifeform: tells you when was last line spoken (clickable, will go to it)

mircea_popescu: yeah, pretty cool

asciilifeform: ( atm if <1min ago, says nuffin. prolly oughta put in a 'now' etc )

mircea_popescu: i guess so yeah.

mircea_popescu: ahh, it's so nice to be back!

asciilifeform: ( rationale was, there are chans where folx speak erry coupla days or so, and handy to be able to jump back immediately w/out flipping pages )

mircea_popescu: quite.

diana_coman: fwiw I noticed and very much liked that knob, asciilifeform !

asciilifeform: yw diana_coman . it is not difficult to add knobs, whole thing is <1000ln.

mircea_popescu: !q help seen

snsabot: mircea_popescu: my valid commands are: seen, s, src, help, uptime

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'seen' dunwork yet

asciilifeform: !qseen asciilifeform

snsabot: asciilifeform: this command is not yet implemented.

mircea_popescu: !q help uptime

snsabot: mircea_popescu: my valid commands are: seen, s, src, help, uptime

asciilifeform: !quptime

snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 1h 0m

mircea_popescu: !qhelp uptime

snsabot: mircea_popescu: my valid commands are: seen, s, src, help, uptime

mircea_popescu: !qhelp

snsabot: mircea_popescu: my valid commands are: seen, s, src, help, uptime

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: think ought to 'per cmd' help eh.

asciilifeform: will go on list.

mircea_popescu: maybe. tnh i dunno. maybe we end up standardizing some kinda help format.

asciilifeform: really oughta, esp. when we get moar cmds

diana_coman: !qhelp uptime

snsabot: diana_coman: my valid commands are: seen, s, src, help, uptime

mircea_popescu: nfi, and dun wanna dig into it right now

asciilifeform: btw ok to put spaces,

asciilifeform: !q uptime

snsabot: asciilifeform: time since my last reconnect : 0d 1h 1m

mircea_popescu: nice

mircea_popescu: !qs

snsabot: 0 results for "" in #trilema

mircea_popescu: !qs 1

snsabot: 0 results for "1" in #trilema

asciilifeform: tooshort

mircea_popescu: !qs 12

snsabot: 0 results for "12" in #trilema

mircea_popescu: !qs 123

snsabot: 564 results for "123" in #trilema

diana_coman: !q s too short

snsabot: 84 results for "too short" in #trilema

mircea_popescu: !qs the

snsabot: 1000 results for "the" in #trilema

mircea_popescu: capped 1k ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ^ is good example, paginator not in there yet

asciilifeform: 1000 currently cap.

mircea_popescu: not unreasonable. like google back when it worked.

asciilifeform: i wrote the bot to use the www end's search function, so as to avoid having two duplicated searchtrons in there

asciilifeform: so when changing www search algo, same will apply to bot

mircea_popescu: lol ir curls it ?

asciilifeform: not literally but functionally yes

mircea_popescu: angry.

asciilifeform: (there's no shell callouts)

asciilifeform: the minus is that bot search dunwork if wwwtron is down. ( but why should be down, for more than coupla sec it takes to reset when new ver. phuctor's has not 1ce fallen by itself since last rewrite. )

mircea_popescu: yeah, kinda curious how this weathers.

asciilifeform: bot is built to cycle through list of irc servers (in our case, fleanode) , if one throws, goes to next

asciilifeform: there is timeout on recv() so 'silent stall' also not wedges bot. at least in theory.

asciilifeform: initially i considered to have two-headed bot, with a slave who is kept around strictly if master falls. but this not implemented yet.

asciilifeform: and prolly not useful when we jump fleanode.

asciilifeform: ( idea was, master and slave required to sit on diff. fleanode shitpits at any given time )

asciilifeform: !q s f:ifeform f:escu trb

snsabot: 1000 results for "f:ifeform f:escu trb" in #trilema

mircea_popescu: sounds pretty well designed tbh.

asciilifeform: as well-designed as script proggy gets when written in <wk lol

asciilifeform not pro 'wwwist' in civilian life, so has possibly.. odd notions of how it is done

asciilifeform: item is sewn such that theoretically can digest any barf thrown by fleanode. but this will have to be verified experimentally.

mircea_popescu: so far i dun see a problem.

asciilifeform: main problem is that right nao there is exactly 1 reliable logotron, so when i add knobs, will have to be cycled (will try to do when no one is awake)

asciilifeform: imho the current item should be left alone until mirror stands up , at least unless someone finds how to choke it trivially

PeterL: It's been a while since I coded a bot, is it possible to send a PING when you hit timeout rather then going straight to reconnecting?

asciilifeform: for completeness, the www end, in case asciilifeform gets sepsis before gets to genesis. and example config (config is common to both proggies, give it on cmdline)

asciilifeform: all meaningfully adjustable knobs -- in config.

asciilifeform: PeterL: recv timeout doesn't disconnect. state machine goes to recv again.

asciilifeform: what does, is to prevent eternal hang on silent (ask the tcp committee why this is physically possible, not me) deaths

asciilifeform: PeterL: in order to actually attempt to 'fit in head' the barbaric protocol, i wrote bot on naked sockets, instead of using whatever-lib

mircea_popescu: how did it go ?

mircea_popescu: spyked, feedbot choked on having to send me too many rss lines lol. can it come back ?

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: as you can tell from last coupla comments on your www, even there i missed initially a spot of retardation (fleanode lets you auth, but if you join ~immediately~ then won't be authed for purpose of +r chans. this is documented nowhere.)

asciilifeform: unlike earlier ben_vulpes irc proggy, mine does not 'wait' for fleanode-specific warmup message (deliberate, i wanted to be able to stand it up behind e.g. znc , if desired)

asciilifeform: so instead has configable delay there.

diana_coman: and I find out I didn't miss at all not using python for years; onth no idea what else would be better for such a task since it can't be really clean anyway

asciilifeform: 'join_t = 20' atm.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: i use python as 'less carcinogenic' perl

asciilifeform: ever since 1st had to write a wwwistic proggy (phuctor front)

asciilifeform: but deliberately wrote this one so it can be with minimal effort rewritten in sumthingelse (i.e. did not use py 'irc libs' or whatevers)

diana_coman: asciilifeform: do you have any suggestion for what might "sumthingelse" reasonably be? because I can't see it

asciilifeform: the www end does use 'flask', py's equiv of hunchentoot etc

asciilifeform: (liek phuctor did)

asciilifeform: diana_coman: possibly CL, after spyked genesis's his cleaned up hunchen

diana_coman: and ftr I have no idea why did the other bots go for lisp anyway, did I miss somewhere the rationale for it?

asciilifeform: and ultimately in tmsr-l

asciilifeform: diana_coman: rationale is that each bot maker used the lang that was most fresh in head.

asciilifeform: currently there aint a 'tmsr lang' in which can readily write wwwisms. (i dun even have a tcp end for gnat atm)

asciilifeform: i actually started to write one, lol! when this particular episode began. but quickly realized that it'll carry on for month+

diana_coman: ultimately sure; currently I don't know; I even sketched quickly an Ada thing - main trouble though is lack of proper db interface (and otherwise relying on GNAT.Sockets and therefore the whole strand of streams etc)

asciilifeform: would have to write pg end also !

asciilifeform: for gnat.

asciilifeform: there aint one.

asciilifeform: before long we're looking at 10,000ln lol

diana_coman: aha

asciilifeform: so instead put on gas mask an' did it phuctor-style

asciilifeform: diana_coman: principal weakness of ada in re this problem set (at least the ada 'specified' by asciilifeform) is stringism handling

diana_coman: yes, my current understanding is exactly that - it's a stink anyway and unavoidably so might as well use python, at least it's quick and relatively clear

asciilifeform: you can't even concat 2 strings w/out 'secondary stack'ism

asciilifeform: there's a place, at least for so long as we're doing tcpisms, for langs with garbagecollector etc.

diana_coman: yep; but if you use gnat.sockets you already eat that too anyway; so lots of stink in already.

asciilifeform: diana_coman: 1 reason to use cl, is that ~50x faster, vs pythonisms. and can use actual machine threads.

asciilifeform: python dun support machine threads.

diana_coman: that makes sense

asciilifeform: ( it gives you a faux-thread abstraction so can call e.g. blocking read() , but it dun actually parallelize )

asciilifeform: snsabot and its www end are imho usably snappy, but you can tell that they run in interpreter, visibly slower than phf's

asciilifeform: ( iirc he also did not use sqlism, but kept entire working set in ram )

asciilifeform: mine uses postgres (9, 10, both work)

asciilifeform: search uses same indexing method as earlier in phuctor.

asciilifeform brb:teatime.

spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926408 <-- on it. gotta run to sleep afterwards, but will be back in the morning and get up to date with l0gz. meanwhile, is it okay if I remove trilema comment PMs from the bot's message queue? otherwise it'll keep sending when I bring it back up, lol.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:54:53 mircea_popescu: spyked, feedbot choked on having to send me too many rss lines lol. can it come back ?

feedbot: http://bvt-trace.net/2019/08/vpatch-support-for-files-in-vtree-root/ << bvt's backtrace -- Vpatch: support for files in vtree root

spyked: aaand feedbot's back in business. /me bbl

mircea_popescu: wb!

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926414 << im not even sure how you reason btw

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:57:14 asciilifeform: diana_coman: i use python as 'less carcinogenic' perl

mircea_popescu: i use... bash as least carcinogenic perl/python/php mysefl

mircea_popescu: i also don't know how i reason

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926421 << iirc bv wanted to learn / practice it and everyone followed.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:59:01 diana_coman: and ftr I have no idea why did the other bots go for lisp anyway, did I miss somewhere the rationale for it?

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926442 << seems pretty snappy to me, yeah.

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 17:05:07 asciilifeform: snsabot and its www end are imho usably snappy, but you can tell that they run in interpreter, visibly slower than phf's

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926447 << i guess i already saw them all so yes. but in general, kinda needs a permafix

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 17:20:05 spyked: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926408 <-- on it. gotta run to sleep afterwards, but will be back in the morning and get up to date with l0gz. meanwhile, is it okay if I remove trilema comment PMs from the bot's message queue? otherwise it'll keep sending when I bring it back up, lol.

mircea_popescu: freenode wants 1s delay between msgs, and bot seems to try and do that but maybe add a 50ms buffer on top or somethign ?

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926458 << well, take the current log tail; here on my box 'time curl ....' is 2.2s for mine vs 0.09s for phf's

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 17:53:34 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926442 << seems pretty snappy to me, yeah.

asciilifeform: perceptible enuff diff that it annoys asciilifeform , who developed long ago habit of refreshing log pg on his various machines 'as if it were local thermostat log'

asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926462 << in snsabot, it's 0.1s right nao (t_delay knob in config )

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 17:54:51 mircea_popescu: freenode wants 1s delay between msgs, and bot seems to try and do that but maybe add a 50ms buffer on top or somethign ?

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:51:33 asciilifeform: for completeness, the www end, in case asciilifeform gets sepsis before gets to genesis. and example config (config is common to both proggies, give it on cmdline)

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i realise now i didn't even spec the bot correctly, it's supposed to multiline if multi links

asciilifeform: fucking tards, the fleanode people, if you wanna by synchronous, BE SYNCHRONOUS, say when ok to send next ln !!11

asciilifeform: what's with this 'guess our magic rate limit' thing.

mircea_popescu: yeah well.

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: can easily multiline

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: want this in next rev ?

mircea_popescu: no i;m saying, current behaviour is corrdct but not per spec

asciilifeform: oh hmm

asciilifeform: ha i did already didnt i.

mircea_popescu: yes.

mircea_popescu: not what the spec ~actually~ satys, but i guess you went per tradition.

asciilifeform: ok lemme know if you want it converted to classical 1line.

mircea_popescu: nope.

asciilifeform: aite!

mircea_popescu: lesee here

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926483

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 18:41:20 mircea_popescu: lesee here

mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926484

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 18:41:44 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926483

mircea_popescu: yup, correct behaviour.

asciilifeform: iirc this worked in all prev. loggers also

mircea_popescu: yup.

asciilifeform: ( protocol, ftr, is such that speakers do not actually see their own output. logger has to log it explicitly )

mircea_popescu: yeah, the one time that weird quirk came in handy

asciilifeform: btw cross-chan echoing also worx, e.g. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-08-08#1000024

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 16:08:58 diana_coman: ftr and use of noobs, channel logs are at http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia

asciilifeform: but iirc this also existed prev.

asciilifeform: btw before it gets lost , this was imho good point.

asciilifeform: ^ interesting thread re 'fg in kernel or not?' that sat in shadow of 'grr no logs' episode

mircea_popescu: o.O

mircea_popescu: i guess we try this crosslog thing see.

mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, did the fg / kernel thing ever make sense to you ?

mircea_popescu: & bvt

asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i've been breaking my head against it since we built the thing in '16

asciilifeform: i.e. whether to have kernelism knob for it

asciilifeform: in those days thought it was obvious nope

asciilifeform: 'make artificially easy for os and whatever ears on walls it came with, to know which box is rng'

asciilifeform: *why make

mircea_popescu: cuz all boxes must be rng

asciilifeform: imho mobo oughta have dedicated socket for rng. but we aint yet there.

asciilifeform: atm we're sorta in those dark age days of 'weitek' maffs coprocessor etc

mircea_popescu: just about

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lobbes: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-08-08#1926199 << indeed gpgism, but it is not automatic. Plus you have to keep the bot's key on the iron running the thing. I can produce a vpatch once I get the znc-eater-shitter done (or asciilifeform beats me to it. whichever comes first)

snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-08 15:52:05 asciilifeform: so, hm, loox like he has gpgism ? or, did trinque have speshulcase table

lobbes: it would be a patch off of the command_router_python, however

lobbes: iirc spyked actually already has a vpatch for a gpgism that uses the "stored otp" method

asciilifeform: lobbes: what means 'not automatic' here ?

asciilifeform: as in, it gets auth turd from deedbot and you manually fed it to gpg ??

lobbes: meaning you have to manually tell the bot to voice each time. no prolly not ideal

lobbes: i.e. I issue a command, and then the bot handles the rest

asciilifeform: aa so by hand you only flipped the safety off, makes sense

lobbes: http://www.thetarpit.org/posts/y05/080-botworks-regrind.html << here's spyked's item tho. trilemabot-voicer

lobbes: not sure the details of it though

lobbes: http://trilema.com/2019/trilema-goes-dark/#comment-130823 << Seeing as the order was given to strike scriba from the list, I have also removed it from the TMSR bot directory (which means the command prefix "!$" is available again): http://lobbesblog.com/static/tmsr_bot_directory.html

lobbes: Re: my php logotron, I still intend to grunt that out, vpatch it, and stand up loggers. In addition I have no plans to discontinue any of my existing infrastructure either (auctionbot will keep auctioning; and when I die I have already vpatched it so someone else always pick up the torch). To be clear: Going forward, I will be voluntarily be stepping into knighthood so as to have a clearer focus and

lobbes: direction on all *new* TMSR work/studies I take on.

feedbot: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=3452 << Loper OS -- Logotron Genesis.

asciilifeform: ^ diana_coman et al ^

asciilifeform: will update the bot's 'src' link when next reset.

asciilifeform: ( resets impose approx 1min of down time. )

lobbes: pretty cool asciilifeform. ftr the speed at which you did this blows me away

asciilifeform: lobbes: i 'cheated' by recycling components from front-end of phuctor, admittedly.

asciilifeform: most of the head scratching went into bot.

lobbes is grunting out the ZNC shitter as we speak. luckily has some .py code already that parsed a dir full of ZNC; hopefully can get it out tonight

asciilifeform: also cheated by cribbing phf's www htmlizations/style/etc.

lobbes: notbad

asciilifeform: if i had to write the wwwistics from 0, would have sat for another week+.

asciilifeform not by any stretch of imagination expert wwwist

asciilifeform: lobbes et al : lemme know if the bringup instructions in the genesis 'readme' actually make sense.

asciilifeform: it was written rather hastily.

asciilifeform expects that before long, we'll find out that the pythonisms can't in fact be reliably reproduced, because 'ecosystem updated' or whateverthefuck rots

asciilifeform: sorta how it tends to go.

asciilifeform: lobbes: 1 good test for your znc eater, would be to eat some zncade that's already reflected in phf's dump, and see whether matches.

asciilifeform: tho as i understand no timestamp is likely to match, so would have to diff with 'meld' or some other 'smart' differ

asciilifeform: ( 'meld' is prolly the 1 graphical proggy asciilifeform uses with regularity. eventually will have to bake a tmsr incarnation... )

asciilifeform: also thinking, may be interesting to try with cuntoo

asciilifeform: ( presently nfi whether the latter's 'portage' retains pythonisms )

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