(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/27/ossasepia-logs-for-27-Apr-2020/#1025351 - ftr dorion , one week in, I don't see much of this.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I half dread I'll end up stripping half of mpwp codebase if I really sink days into setting the blog straight once and for all but the annoyance and pressure is building on that front so ...I guess I'll find out soon enough.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I didn't specifically care about guid tags so possibly there's something missing indeed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: yes, via mysql
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: hm, I'll add the guid tags to the list since it seems I really have to sink some days into sorting out mpwp for my current needs, after all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (the 2 articles in question are the logs for 2nd and 1st of May that got absorbed into the one single log for May for #o)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I took out 2 articles but why would it jump all that way back to *that*??
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: what throws feedbot off above?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in other bot/logger updates - I've changed it so that the articles will be just one per month rather than one per day; for one thing there isn't really all that much text to justify one for each day and for another thing, there's just too many of them otherwise.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the edit of the permalink from mpwp gui does indeed require javascript
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !s help
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes' discovery of a potential role of the daily reporting as anchor might resonate with others as well.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: in fairness you probably got that already simply through the repeated iterations; not that it would hurt anything to re-read the full series perhaps if you find the time for it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov: uhm, I wasn't asking for speculation but alright.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov: are you around & do you want to detail perhaps on what you and ben_vulpes have in mind re supporting projects around V?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: well, if you use the blog article to push the review aside/further, it will surely end up late etc; so yeah, if you want it done, better do it earlier than later and get rid of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: how's your review/planning ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: though jfw's above remark makes it very tempting indeed!
(ossasepia) diana_coman shall not ask dorion to write also the compare-and-contrast first version to published version.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: congrats dorion on publishing that sales article
(ossasepia) diana_coman will have to go in ~5 min
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'll read the logs ofc, anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sadly atm I'm a bit rushed as usual on Fridays but maybe we do get to talk a bit more tomorrow or ~any other day really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov: without knowing what "it" was, I can't possibly say; the reason why I'm asking you all those questions is to figure out what "it" is in the first place, really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: they generally would, with the caveat of what "work" might mean, eh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov: so do you have a team of people or some ongoing projects or what do you have in mind? is communication going through you only or is there some other means/place for it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov: oh, hi; I had no idea ben_vulpes was still on it at all; anyway, what do you plan with it, if you don't mind me asking?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh, is that it? I had a sort of ...less barter, more commerce image of it, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so dunno, go around the town and find others who might do stuff for you in exchange for computer help? if it's a working model, at least use it for all it's worth!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: apparently planning and reviewing is not that special - the more painful/impossible/unreasonable!!!! one finds it, the more... one needs it, in all likelihood.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: out of reasons by tomorrow? lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes - I guess I'll read all about it in the review & plan; otherwise from here so far it seems rather as initially predicted that dropping the shorter-term plans & reviews just works as it always "worked" - to not get anywhere.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: you're welcome.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: awww, let the man search for it! (who knows what *else* he'll find!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at which point cruciform may go and read the html manual too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (not that it's anything wrong reading either; just a bit amused at the jumping about)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: so are you reading the #o log or the ...yh archives? lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bots that know about it will then render it as link in the respective page
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's a convention (former TMSR convention,at that): just use square brackets , put the link in first and the text in second, you're done
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: what do you mean?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: like everything else, they'll work better if they fit what *you* need, as opposed to "general fit" or what someone else needed at some point in time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: those review questions were quite tailored for Robinson so maybe adjust as needed for you really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/29/ossasepia-logs-for-29-Apr-2020/#1025504 - well ordered, indeed, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman shall be back tomorrow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as apparently everyone is busy otherwise, I shall go and give all computers something to be busy with as well; can then call it a truly satisfying day.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: can I have feedbot stop announcing in #eulora the rss of my blog? atm there doesn't really seem much need for it there and it just triggers otherwise some "log" for the day that contains only the rss feed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that looks great, jfw !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: possibly start with small and manageable bits, basically working out your interest for more; there is the fact that you can't want what you don't yet know about and otherwise re backing out, fwiw from what I saw I'd say it's probably more running away from being stuck than backing out of work in general as such.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: uhm, why concerned as such? sounds rather ...counterproductive, tbh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: what does "one of the only" mean?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: do you *want* to do any project at all?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: huh, so you are left with ...what, jungle exploring? might still be at least interesting to write about, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: how's the otc network development going?
(ossasepia) diana_coman ponders changing the topic to "writing, deadlines and other unfathomable horrors."
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: good to hear you're fine; why avoiding writing though?
(ossasepia) diana_coman shall be back tomorrow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: sounds good
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, it might need to wait a while in the long queue of stuff to do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: myeah, most likely some unicode mess somewhere; I'll have the pleasure to dig to find out where.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: internal motivation stems from ...internal own life in a word, yes; absent/insufficient that internal own life, the only alternative is indeed outside motivation; funnily enough, it's there that you are going bdsm if you look for the way to be strongly motivated from the outside, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in other logger testing, apparently cruciform's inverted quotation marks are not logger-approved, lol; I'll have to check that out.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: myeah, I can imagine
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yay!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: try it again in here
(ossasepia) diana_coman: perfectly valid and usually even works better
(ossasepia) diana_coman: can even be "because I can't stand NOT doing it!!!"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yeah, you get to define that decide - because it's good for you or because it's bad for you, entirely up to you; but ffs, decide and stick to it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: "I will do x because I decided to do it!"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: eh, there's no should!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: apparently cruciform turned out in the end a very citable article this time: "Now, it's pretty absurd that a 31 year old man can't stick to a weekly schedule" . I'll add to this - it is! Indeed, it is!!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the "what" is not all that important - the source is more important
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh - in a nutshell, own interest! seriously, the big difference there is external vs internal motivator
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform restored to talk-mode by direct poking at ChanServ
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: cruciform says deedbot is still claiming he can't up himself
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there, problem solved, cruciform ! try !!up now
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !!down #ossasepia cruciform
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: heh, that's motivation by means of own pride; if it works, good enough; at some point you might finally develop immunity to "what others think" and so ...better find better ways to motivate yourself by then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this doesn't mean it says what you expect/like/were used to think it can say, though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: but you see, this is why I'm saying it's a signal - it's not random, no
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ha! if you say it does, I'll believe it worked for you. (and yeah, I saw people who can calm down - if only there's someone calm in charge, sure)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: dunno about that, "treatment" can be as simple as ...find a bigger fear, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: well, how would you tell "mostly this or not", anyway? the way I see it, they are ...a signal; that's about it; usually it tends to be a signal of unknown rather than of anything else, true, but that's another thing anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fears are always legit! what you do with them though is ...flexible, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: traditional implements for that come in all sorts of pointy and sharp shapes!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ha, congrats to former and current YH members for making apparently cruciform finally get off his arse!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: well, I'm still in the UK, yes! (logger's own server is not in the UK though, so it keeps its own time and todays/tomorrows, lolz)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, apparently my connection is acting up today
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh huh, on platform too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: nothing wrong with that, for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, I wish you all the best there; I have ample experience listening to people *complaining* about the same issues over and over and over (and over!) again for 20 years and even agreeing with all sorts of solutions and options and whatnots - still doing exactly 0.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: maybe I'm just too harsh or something but I'd rather go and count the trees in the woods, for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: uhm; that sounds so much like ...idle chat at the gates, dunno
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: how do you see this audience-to-be-built useful to you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: do they come to talk to you on irc otherwise? or adverse to it ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: it's a direction to explore I suppose; at least you learn about recordings and videos, after all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ok then, guess I'll see that happening anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: raw log yes, can set up a db dump of the logs and link it, it's even somewhere on the list indeed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: hm, for the first 2 I thought the category works well enough; not a big issue to add them otherwise if they really save that much trouble, huh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: do you plan anything with your own blog?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, if it's too much structure to maintain directly, work out something else that you can maintain and still provides some reliable way of interaction & communication otherwise
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: what's your plan re using those resources ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: that sounds like a lot of work done really; hopefully digesting the output when/if you publish it won't give anyone indigestion or something; ave1 seemed to follow & respond here if/when there was some concrete problem raised but possibly too late now anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as illustrated earlier, sonofawitch cites the lines too if you use the links from the blog
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: sounds good, thanks.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: how's the montevideo standard doing? are you still working on/with those scripts otherwise or is that of no use/interest for this new thing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jurov: as I understand it, you are currently the de facto owner of "bitcoin foundation", is that correct?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: what happened to you in the end?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: any ossabot users - let me know if there's some other functionality/whatever you find useful and is currently missing from sonofawitch & blog-based setup.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ping me when you are around.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for a while I'll just let them be both in parallel merely to not keep that server idle until I decide what to do with it otherwise but dunno - do you see any specific case to keep ossabot up?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: re ossabot - tbh I don't see the point for keeping it up at this juncture; I'll get around to make a script to update all the links from current loggers and with that, I can finally get rid of the flask with all it zugwerk and assorted shit; even if I consider redundancy, I'd much rather run another copy of sonofawitch on the logs server though atm it sounds like major overkill to me
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ^ the log_db.gz has it all, as spyked says.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: yes, that's the full db dump (postgres), I had even forgotten about it; I guess you're right and whoever wants them can just grab that one with all and be up to date on their chan anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or uhm, was she only mocking poor feedbot so it reported one as three, lmao.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: huh, nicoleci @ bimboclub can publish apparently even daily records, what weekly
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: oh hey, glad to hear it!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: ahaha, at least a change of ...scenery!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, I thought voice params were changed already.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: trinque: ^ what's wrong there ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: how's the Knuth & logs diet going for you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's like children's games - ring at the door and run away sort of thing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: huh, those join-and-leave, not even spewing out some spam, boggles the mind
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, to my mind the benefit would be in reaching out to new people rather than trying to convince anyone who has already made their mind to not use it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020/#1025280 - this would be about the most generous interpretation indeed; to me there's a stark contrast between those answers and e.g. http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/22/ossasepia-logs-for-09-Apr-2020/#1024027
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: what happened to you this almost full April, anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: LizTurner: hello
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !!up #ossasepia LizTurner
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh hey, wb lobbes
(ossasepia) diana_coman shall be back later at the usual 7pm utc
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I think you are very optimistic but I'll be very happy to be proved wrong in this as well as above.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: maybe I should say even religious grounds by now, lol.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg: I'm curious though what you make of it given that from what I saw, the answers from non-mpwp users were ~all mainly "shall never use it on ideological grounds"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ah, that for sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (well: because I never took the time to really look at it; in turn, because there were bigger fires & more annoying things to sort out etc; as it always goes)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, there'd be a bit more work to make stuff like comment moderation more convenient but otherwise it kind of boggles the mind why exactly did I put up with the web-based login for so long.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg: fwiw, after doing all the scripts to import logs and to get real-time logging into mpwp and all that, I realised that in the process I pretty much got also ~all I'd need to not even look at the web-based interface anymore
(ossasepia) diana_coman: in advantages of publishing the logs like any other text on blog... backlinks ; might even make for more motivation to finally get to the bottom of missing trackbacks otherwise.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !o uptime
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !s help
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !o uptime
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cool; will be back laters.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: testing cross-chan citation, in my 2015 vintage doubts re how much I can do for eulora, lolz.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: have fun!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so then go and fully enjoy the day, at least get that 200% in
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: is the plan for next week any trouble/stuck?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: let's see if that took care of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter - hanbot , spyked , trinque , BingoBoingo - do you want dumps of the logs for your chans?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ftr, I've imported all the logs I have otherwise so nothing is lost ; I'm not sure I'll publish all as articles though, but the data is there and the bot can search through any of the chans that were logged.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: btw, if anyone has preferences/ideas re what sort of search they'd find useful (eg !s s something-or-other), now's the time to speak about it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: right you are, apparently in all the updates that bit fell through; I'll get it in at next restart and then fix today's article, shouldn't be much trouble anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman looks
(ossasepia) diana_coman: logs of #eulora are getting published on my blog too, they'll gradually appear in the #eulora_irc category; there won't be any flood of the rss feed as I've set the script to publish them with date matching the logged day rather than with current date.
(ossasepia) diana_coman pats sonofawitch
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anwyays, experimental sonofawitch & orchestra are on with logs hopefully updated on ossasepia.com in real time (e.g. today's http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/25/ossasepia-logs-for-25-apr-2020/ )
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, feedbot why u so slow
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !s help
(ossasepia) diana_coman: !o uptime
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it turns out that non-breaking the words in the table is even worse (at least with current theme) as it overflows at times horribly; so probably I will have to get around to change that theme too, sigh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lol, what did you to to ChanServ, lobbes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman will be back tomorrow.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, indeed!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: just hm, maybe do push the writing back into some ...working gear?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: takeaways look good to me (even biting the insurance!!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I half-expect the child's school will discover the greatness of zoom any time soon, so I'll find out all about it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman admits she didn't really want to see much of it at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: oh, is it? I'm quite sure I saw some free version, maybe it was limited.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbf probably it looks/works great by comparison to facebook or similar.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: by now it's probably enough a quarter-working, it evolved!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: by next year it will be forgotten too (and rediscovered with a different name, to restart with the problems etc, ofc)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and initially I thought maybe it was just ...local, uk-madness; but apparently not so truly...pandemic, I guess; the zoom-infection.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, skype has been uncool for several years at least for sure; but what I can't get my head around is why just...one; it's like fashion-dream, dunno
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, what's with the zoom-fad all over the world
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it looks like something I'd need to go systematically through if it's to get sorted; iirc there were some wild pics too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: possibly by the end of this it'll annoy me enough to change the theme too, can be.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: tbh my own theme used to have % which I find way more reasonable since it doesn't restrict user's screen to whatever number of pixels; but myeah, the themes coming with mpwp were what they were and never quite sunk the time to fully port it; (I don't like css/html that much either)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's the spirit!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: though I think freenode has a limit on nickname length
(ossasepia) diana_coman: come to think of it - if someone comes in with a nickname awijpetiojp3etj3ptojoq3jtpq3otj3potjqp3otjqp3otjqp3otjq3topj3t3qtpoj3qo3tj , the poor table is fully fucked
(ossasepia) diana_coman: possibly a bit better anyway; and moreover the timestamps as such are rather meaningless anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but anyway, moving the timestamps away would expand the line a bit, not terribly much
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the timestamps could go perhaps on the name indeed, that wouldn't be a problem
(ossasepia) diana_coman: atm it's tabled so it's easy to follow who said what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: do you mean text under the speaker's name?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hence my earlier "couldn't find a solution that is not-jarring"; just different versions of jarring
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's jarring number 2, indeed
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: spot the diff & does it look any better?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lettuce experiment anyway, 1 min
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I couldn't find a solution that is not-jarring; it's also a matter of reader's screen /display so not even something I can actually fully control from my side really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: huh, still or even worse torrent of work? kind of interesting how this goes with "everything-but-not-quite stopped" otherwise,
(ossasepia) diana_coman: spyked: what are you up to those days?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: yay, welcome back feedbot !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: v.pl does have its quirks and a relatively too-silent/uninformative fail mode, indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: billymg: what error did it give/how did it fail?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, I'll call it a day too, good night
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cheers!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, and the insurance will do what? lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: usually the times of trouble simply show what was just pretense (which falls) and what not (which stands, though it might not be in the open, sure)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: like with everything else
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I'd say it's not gambling per se that will take any hit - it's possibly though what you know as gambling aka those specific casinos
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re gambling I have no idea really (as I said, it's a world I don't know much about so can't really comment on it either)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: ahaha; your curiosity shall be fully satisfied, I'm quite sure; but do mind what you wish for!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the thing is - getting on a plane already requires *some* resources ; even if they may be borrowed - having who to borrow them from is a resource too and so on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (and probably it'll grow, too)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, it exists in other parts of Europe too, there is that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but no, seriously - no idea if you know for reals what dirt-poor means, but ...it exists; it's true that it's not the sort of sordid inner-city-poverty (mainly because of no city) but still.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, you just said you knew loads of Romanians around the casinos, what
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, they gloriously keep alive the goat-hating tradition, what can I say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, those you find here are certainly not the poorest, not even by far
(ossasepia) diana_coman: perhaps; I don't really know about the gambling world.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I have sudden trouble imagining "Romanians" and "building capital" in the same sentence, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: huh, I expected even younger (not very old because they wouldn't be there, yeah); possibly they had to take the time to accumulate that bitterness and get convinced enough they can't do anything other than the goat-hating, perhaps.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: out of curiosity, what age group are those goat-haters you know?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not worth all that much thinking of it really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: eh, the intricacies of petty bitterness
(ossasepia) diana_coman: also, you see, the whole satisfaction is in the neighbour's fail, preferably without a (visible) helping hand
(ossasepia) diana_coman: funnily enough, despite the idiom, it's more often cows and sheep rather than goats that people used to have, but anyways
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha; it's also not the sort of proof-by-induction problem !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, there is easily an added strata there because in socialism/communism the "getting ahead" in the party hierachy tends to work more on those lines than on competence, but it's another thing
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: you are mixing there bits and pieces; this whole rural stuff comes from way before socialism/communism
(ossasepia) diana_coman: or whatever, insecure I suppose, in a more generous light
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's the lazy/incompetent's form of "cut-throat competition" really: he'll win by holding everyone back.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and even more/deeper in the end - about the fact that if the neighbour fails, then own fail is vindicated aka "see, I told you you'd fail"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: neah; they want the neighbour to fail and the more he fails, the better, it's about being *better than* the neighbour, not equal
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's very much hierarchy and getting ahead, nothing to do with equality; they are not aiming to be equal to the neighbour, not at all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no, it's not pretend to equality
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: how do you link that to socialism though?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, how is that?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically in a proper rural community, there is a very visible and easily measured hierarchy anyway; and the least capable ones that get bitter will tend to go this way - since they can't (or internalised that they can't) get ahead, then focus on keeping the others behind (so that they can get ahead, sort of thing)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: but you can link it back to "being better than the average player", see?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and sure, easier to kill the neighbour's goat than to get your own (at least from some perspective)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not even "great", it doesn't exist as such, it's about the greatest
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re rural community though - it's basically through direct and continuous comparison of visible assets; in Ro the main part used to be land (because agriculture) but otherwise everything about the others' house, so yeah, nobody has taller/bigger house than mine/happier and bigger goat than mine, hence I'm ...the greatest
(ossasepia) diana_coman: huh, look, for the short version I did already even say it on...trilema, lolz, here: http://trilema.com/2019/derpy-sluttyev-or-how-shall-i-call-this/#comment-130373
(ossasepia) diana_coman: no, not at all
(ossasepia) diana_coman: cruciform: sure; but where to start from so it makes sense to you, hm; do you know how rural communities work esp re figuring out one's own worth ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is a whole set of layers to that, it's not by accident
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it has a name!!! it's called "sa moara capra vecinului" (may the neighbour's goat die!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sounds quite believable
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (genuinely curious, not a loaded question)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, are they any worse than generic not-good-gamblers?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: might as well reply then to the comment and add the link
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ahaha, so it is actually translated already, cool
(ossasepia) diana_coman: heh, as always
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's one of the most straightforward articles on trilema actually ; so it might work but provided you find not-an-idiot, what can I say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so let it itch, what