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feedbot: http://younghands.club/2020/04/27/jfw-plan-week-of-27-apr-2020/ << Young Hands Club -- JFW plan, week of 27 Apr 2020
feedbot: http://bimbo.club/2020/04/work-report-4262020/ << Bimbo Club -- Work Report - 4/26/2020
diana_coman: huh, nicoleci @ bimboclub can publish apparently even daily records, what weekly
diana_coman: or uhm, was she only mocking poor feedbot so it reported one as three, lmao.
spyked: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-25#1025242 <-- I'm grabbing them off http://logs.ossasepia.com/static/log_db.gz once in a while; are you planning to decommission ossabot?
ossabot: Logged on 2020-04-25 16:42:34 diana_coman: for that matter - hanbot , spyked , trinque , BingoBoingo - do you want dumps of the logs for your chans?
diana_coman: spyked: yes, that's the full db dump (postgres), I had even forgotten about it; I guess you're right and whoever wants them can just grab that one with all and be up to date on their chan anyway.
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ^ the log_db.gz has it all, as spyked says.
diana_coman: spyked: re ossabot - tbh I don't see the point for keeping it up at this juncture; I'll get around to make a script to update all the links from current loggers and with that, I can finally get rid of the flask with all it zugwerk and assorted shit; even if I consider redundancy, I'd much rather run another copy of sonofawitch on the logs server though atm it sounds like major overkill to me
diana_coman: for a while I'll just let them be both in parallel merely to not keep that server idle until I decide what to do with it otherwise but dunno - do you see any specific case to keep ossabot up?
diana_coman: dorion: ping me when you are around.
diana_coman: any ossabot users - let me know if there's some other functionality/whatever you find useful and is currently missing from sonofawitch & blog-based setup.
diana_coman: whaack: what happened to you in the end?
diana_coman: jurov: as I understand it, you are currently the de facto owner of "bitcoin foundation", is that correct?
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: how's the montevideo standard doing? are you still working on/with those scripts otherwise or is that of no use/interest for this new thing?
spyked: diana_coman, tbh I haven't yet used the mpwp-based log frontend enough to stumble upon any missing functionality. I'll give it a try for a week or so, I'll let you know if I find something missing
spyked: (and well, probably more than a week, given that this is going to be the main logger for #o)
diana_coman: spyked: sounds good, thanks.
diana_coman: as illustrated earlier, sonofawitch cites the lines too if you use the links from the blog
trinque: diana_coman: voice model's params should be working as expected now. I'm around all day, so lmk if not.
trinque: in other news, I tried raising ave1 on the comms a few times to avoid repeating work, to no avail.
trinque: I've rewritten that gcc bootstrapper such that one can actually tell where the flags for the build are coming from. the thing was a heinous piece of shit (long before ave1 found it and patched)
trinque: I've got the whole thing weighing in at less than 100loc, produces static gcc, gnat, binutils
trinque: this is part of a larger bootstrapping project which builds a busybox+musl env which can rebuild the entire toolchain.
trinque: rather, which can build an environment within which the toolchain can be reliably rebuilt
trinque: I ought to have an item to share soon
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2020/so-those-idiots-in-france/ << Trilema -- So those idiots in France...
dorion: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020/#1025309 - I've simplified a lot, I'll have a final draft to you in 24h.
sonofawitch: 2020-04-26 21:51:53 (#ossasepia) jfw: dorion: how's it going with the sales article revisions?
dorion: hi diana_coman, I'm present.
diana_coman: trinque: that sounds like a lot of work done really; hopefully digesting the output when/if you publish it won't give anyone indigestion or something; ave1 seemed to follow & respond here if/when there was some concrete problem raised but possibly too late now anyway?
diana_coman: dorion: what's your plan re using those resources ?
sonofawitch: 2020-04-16 17:35:08 (#ossasepia) dorion: more charged when I consider what it cost me, but I'm ready to move forward and use the resources I sitll have.
dorion: diana_coman, the first priority is to pick back up with the planning and reporting.
diana_coman: well, if it's too much structure to maintain directly, work out something else that you can maintain and still provides some reliable way of interaction & communication otherwise
sonofawitch: 2020-04-27 20:56:24 (#ossasepia) dorion: http://ossasepia.com/2020/04/26/ossasepia-logs-for-26-apr-2020/#1025309 - I've simplified a lot, I'll have a final draft to you in 24h.
diana_coman: dorion: do you plan anything with your own blog?
dorion: diana_coman it was these last few weeks, or at least I let it be too much.
dorion: diana_coman yes, I plan to pick back up the writing.
jfw: diana_coman: re the new logs, some features coming to mind are date forward/backward links, a stable URL for the live log for a given channel, and raw log access
diana_coman: jfw: hm, for the first 2 I thought the category works well enough; not a big issue to add them otherwise if they really save that much trouble, huh
diana_coman: raw log yes, can set up a db dump of the logs and link it, it's even somewhere on the list indeed
diana_coman: dorion: ok then, guess I'll see that happening anyway.
jfw: ah, category might be fine, I'll give that usage a try. Would just lose the browser back/forward chain through dates.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: With the lack of news I have had to cover I have been making a deep dive into the world of livestreaming these past few weeks trying to connect to the kids today.
BingoBoingo: I do the news, but the absurdity of how little is happening in the world... it turns my news reporting into a deadpan act
BingoBoingo: I'm still playing with the scripts, but I've had so little news to spread that I've been trying to make the most of it by putting myself on cam
BingoBoingo: And trying to socially engineer an audience
BingoBoingo: And learning the whole AV thing the hard way. Turns out concrete walls suck for microphone echo, so mitigating that is an ongoing battle
sonofawitch: 2020-04-25 06:42:19 (#ossasepia) BingoBoingo: Still, no video solution today is not shitty in profound ways. Zoom mostly just "works" for sad yet common values of works
BingoBoingo: jfw: It is
BingoBoingo: I have a blog post that's been baking, but as I learn more it keeps needing profound revisions
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: it's a direction to explore I suppose; at least you learn about recordings and videos, after all.
BingoBoingo: I've so far managed to socially engineer a very loyal if very small audience
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: do they come to talk to you on irc otherwise? or adverse to it ?
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: They seem averse to it. They are all prisoners of the walled garden world.
BingoBoingo: I tell them I'm down here in Uruguay live from the free world, they tell me how bad it is in the zone
diana_coman: BingoBoingo: how do you see this audience-to-be-built useful to you?
diana_coman: uhm; that sounds so much like ...idle chat at the gates, dunno
diana_coman: maybe I'm just too harsh or something but I'd rather go and count the trees in the woods, for sure.
BingoBoingo: diana_coman: I see it as part of the ongoing war against Pantsuit. It does seem to devolve frequently into idle chat. I just keep hammering that down here in Best America, I am free. They in North America are not.
BingoBoingo: I've done some streams from the great outdoors too.
BingoBoingo: I don't expect much out of this except the fun I get from the trolling
BingoBoingo: And the lessons in how to video. And the opportunity to expose myself and wade through the shit.
diana_coman: well, I wish you all the best there; I have ample experience listening to people *complaining* about the same issues over and over and over (and over!) again for 20 years and even agreeing with all sorts of solutions and options and whatnots - still doing exactly 0.
BingoBoingo: Thank you. It's just such a weird different thing that I'm still trying to probe where it could go if it isn't a deadend by design.
diana_coman: nothing wrong with that, for sure.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the platform I've been using has a random "versus challenge" that pairs streamers up and puts them side by side. The bulk of what that turns up is naked dudes in bed waiting for a girl, but every now and then a redditor cries because they are triggered by my being outside.
diana_coman: oh huh, on platform too
BingoBoingo: I don't know of any sane streaming thing, so it's the sad situation where I'm wading through a walled garden full of shit
diana_coman: hm, apparently my connection is acting up today
cruciform: diana_coman, ah, so it's still today (not yet tonight), which means my publishing of http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-26#1025303 still qualifies as on time!
ossabot: Logged on 2020-04-26 16:45:47 cruciform: diana_coman, I went from not-doing-a-lot-inside to not-doing-a-lot outside for the last few days; I'll have a post up by tomorrow eve http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-26#1025296
diana_coman: cruciform: well, I'm still in the UK, yes! (logger's own server is not in the UK though, so it keeps its own time and todays/tomorrows, lolz)
cruciform: trinque, I'm around for the next few hours http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-26#1025310
ossabot: Logged on 2020-04-26 20:30:54 trinque: lemme see, cruciform stick around a minute so we can sort this.
diana_coman: ha, congrats to former and current YH members for making apparently cruciform finally get off his arse!
cruciform: lol, next step - stay off it!
diana_coman: cruciform: traditional implements for that come in all sorts of pointy and sharp shapes!
cruciform: I knew my BDSM-y fears were legit!
diana_coman: fears are always legit! what you do with them though is ...flexible, lol
cruciform: aren't fears mostly spinning/psychogenic noise, most of the time?
diana_coman: cruciform: well, how would you tell "mostly this or not", anyway? the way I see it, they are ...a signal; that's about it; usually it tends to be a signal of unknown rather than of anything else, true, but that's another thing anyway
cruciform: diana_coman, good point re: how would one tell - I suppose the big problem with fears/anxiety is that they're difficult to self-diagnose, let alone self-treat
cruciform: whereas a friend can be the voice of reason; tell you you're being stupid and they suddenly vanish
diana_coman: cruciform: dunno about that, "treatment" can be as simple as ...find a bigger fear, lol
cruciform: diana_coman, see: I'd've never thought of that - problem solved!
diana_coman: ha! if you say it does, I'll believe it worked for you. (and yeah, I saw people who can calm down - if only there's someone calm in charge, sure)
diana_coman: cruciform: but you see, this is why I'm saying it's a signal - it's not random, no
diana_coman: this doesn't mean it says what you expect/like/were used to think it can say, though.
trinque: cruciform: hey, did voicing yourself work?
cruciform: diana_coman, wrt finding a bigger fear, I've found that mechanism helpful in getting work done by making a concrete commitment: If I say I'll do something by a certain time, I fear more ruining my reputation by not delivering, than I “fear” getting off arse and doing the work
cruciform: trinque, I don't think so; do I need to lose voice before I can try self-upping?
diana_coman: cruciform: heh, that's motivation by means of own pride; if it works, good enough; at some point you might finally develop immunity to "what others think" and so ...better find better ways to motivate yourself by then.
diana_coman: !!down #ossasepia cruciform
diana_coman: there, problem solved, cruciform ! try !!up now
diana_coman: trinque: cruciform says deedbot is still claiming he can't up himself
diana_coman: cruciform restored to talk-mode by direct poking at ChanServ
cruciform: diana_coman, if not pride, what's a better way to motivate self?
diana_coman: heh - in a nutshell, own interest! seriously, the big difference there is external vs internal motivator
diana_coman: the "what" is not all that important - the source is more important
cruciform: diana_coman, so, "I should do x because it'll be good for me", rather than "good for my self-image" (as in the case of pride)?
diana_coman: apparently cruciform turned out in the end a very citable article this time: "Now, it's pretty absurd that a 31 year old man can't stick to a weekly schedule" . I'll add to this - it is! Indeed, it is!!
diana_coman: cruciform: eh, there's no should!
diana_coman: "I will do x because I decided to do it!"
diana_coman: and yeah, you get to define that decide - because it's good for you or because it's bad for you, entirely up to you; but ffs, decide and stick to it.
diana_coman: can even be "because I can't stand NOT doing it!!!"
diana_coman: perfectly valid and usually even works better
trinque: hm, this is pretty weird. cruciform it rejected your up request?
diana_coman: cruciform: try it again in here
trinque: !!up #ossasepia trinque
cruciform: !!up ossasepia cruciform
deedbot: You may not !!up yourself.
trinque: !!v C2BE640EA53332C36C98D895D80916EBE36972DB711BE93BDEA94930244F6B96
deedbot: You are now voiced in #ossasepia
cruciform: !!up #ossasepia cruciform
trinque: haha
cruciform: the #
trinque: hey, if we're at UX bugs, we're making progress
trinque: lets make sure the confirm works
cruciform: !!v E5EB00FBA8000C7D9E6CF7758777390D7EAFFA06BF4F038E91621BE7564033B6
deedbot: You are now voiced in #ossasepia
cruciform: trinque, thanks
trinque: hey np, glad it works.
trinque: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-27#1025350 << yeah, I ftr don't count ave1's work on the thing time wasted, but every time I went to build it I ran into some issue that was apparently only happening to me, w/e. when I went to try and fix the thing, I found it to be pointlessly complicated, not due to ave1, but the gregor guy that made it in the first place.
ossabot: Logged on 2020-04-27 16:28:56 diana_coman: trinque: that sounds like a lot of work done really; hopefully digesting the output when/if you publish it won't give anyone indigestion or something; ave1 seemed to follow & respond here if/when there was some concrete problem raised but possibly too late now anyway?
trinque: so I finally said to hell with it all, and started chopping pieces out of it until I understood how each component was actually getting its inputs, and what each component took as directive to statically link.
trinque: (and of course they all wanted different things: here's how you say it to gcc, here's how you say it to binutils, piles of bullshit more there)
diana_coman: myeah, I can imagine
diana_coman: in other logger testing, apparently cruciform's inverted quotation marks are not logger-approved, lol; I'll have to check that out.
cruciform: diana_coman, so, motivation stems from a comitment to one'
ossabot: Logged on 2020-04-27 18:43:07 diana_coman: "I will do x because I decided to do it!"
diana_coman: cruciform: internal motivation stems from ...internal own life in a word, yes; absent/insufficient that internal own life, the only alternative is indeed outside motivation; funnily enough, it's there that you are going bdsm if you look for the way to be strongly motivated from the outside, lol.
trinque: also inside, potentially!
jfw: re funny quote marks, they look like utf-8 to me, and the ossasepia.com page proclaims utf-8 too, so... I'd guess some part of the pipeline is reading as bytes/latin1 then writing back as unicode
diana_coman: myeah, most likely some unicode mess somewhere; I'll have the pleasure to dig to find out where.
diana_coman: anyways, it might need to wait a while in the long queue of stuff to do.
jfw: I'll be back tomorrow & with an article too.
diana_coman: jfw: sounds good
diana_coman shall be back tomorrow.
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