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diana_coman: cruciform: don't use that old selection mechanism with # as it's not working properly - what gets selected (if anything) depends on the browser (+it requires javascript anyway...); there's a better way, as described here: http://trilema.com/2019/proper-html-linking-the-crisis-the-solution-the-resolution-conclusion/
cruciform: diana_coman, will do, thanks
diana_coman: anyways, average people tend to be bad at ~everything,not only poker, lol
diana_coman: so if you only ever do the "run to be better than them", it's not much effort probably, no
diana_coman: nor much running, whatever the running might be about.
diana_coman: as eulora's motd insists: your worst enemy always slept in the same bed as you.
jfw: the JS selector reminds me, billymg: I signed the two patches that seemed settled, in http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/v/mp-wp/ ; are they suitable for you as is?
jfw: (for further context, that means the first two from http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/2020/selection-and-other-sundries-for-mp-wp/ )
cruciform: diana_coman, kinda crazy that half of people are even worse than average! And yea, poker very much allowed me to just be good-enough; not have to grow
diana_coman: cruciform: well, that's if you credit a gauss curve to start with; can get even worse otherwise, heh
cruciform: reckon competence is pareto?
diana_coman: I'd be rather hard pressed to find evident it isn't; but I admit I haven't really bothered much to fit a curve to anything
cruciform: it certainly holds for poker winnings: a few players make almost all the money
diana_coman: sure, in school grades at any exam will follow gauss (unless cheating) but competence is a different thing
diana_coman: evidence* not evident
diana_coman: rather as expected re the few players, indeed.
cruciform: yea, I was trying to find a term other than "IQ", since I gather that's bullshit
diana_coman: cruciform: you know, MP is right re that article being for sure the better ref (and possibly of more interest to you too).
diana_coman: jfw: how's the health insurance quest going?
diana_coman: cruciform: what's next on your list now that the 2 articles are done and published?
jfw: diana_coman: you know just what to ask about that wouldn't have been started yet!
diana_coman: true, I do :P
jfw: so no, not started yet.
diana_coman: needs a new battery to start ?
diana_coman: jfw: you know, it's...Wednesday, lolz.
cruciform: diana_coman, I've mostly got my head round mathematical induction today - I never got the "assume n=k is true" bit (the... induction, lol): "can't just assume things in maths!"; didn't get that it's about proving that IF n=k holds, k+1 does, too
jfw: so it is. Maybe just some corrosion to clean off the contacts.
diana_coman: cruciform: aha, that's the point, proving the first step and then basically the fact that it's a chain
cruciform: I've had enough Knuth for a bit, so gonna work on reading the logs; writing an article on "What is YH?"
diana_coman: "2 letters!"
diana_coman: anyways, sounds like a reasonably balanced...diet; can even add the cheese twists then!
diana_coman: (and no, nothing bad with cheese twists in general, except ahem, taste one day some freshly made ones with sourdough too and then see if those M&S ones are all that great anymore, that was all)
ossabot: Logged on 2020-04-22 16:51:02 diana_coman: cruciform: you know, MP is right re that article being for sure the better ref (and possibly of more interest to you too).
diana_coman: well, can always add "learn a language" to the list, why not
diana_coman: maybe I should do the Romanian Thursdays, huh
diana_coman: one different language every day and that will surely take care of all and any conversation, too!
cruciform: diana_coman, in other unfinished derping, I did... TWO Greek lessons with my dad before giving up
diana_coman: well, as I don't know your dad, I can't evaluate in any way what two lessons mean in that context
diana_coman: cruciform: why did you do them to start with?
cruciform: I wanted to cure my ESL-ness, decided I could spend time with my dad too by learning Latin/Greek; chose Greek coz it's harder :p
diana_coman: eh, with languages it gets easier after the 10th or so (as I've been helpfully told when I was a kid - but it's true!)
cruciform: got to conjugating my first verb (λυο τας πεδασ), and... that was a wrap
diana_coman: according to MP though it's women you want to spend time with to learn languages not own dad; maybe that's why it lasted for only 2 lessons, lol
cruciform: Aha, I can recall reading that in the logs!
diana_coman: there I can't advise, but otherwise from practical experience the way to learn a language is to need it as in not have any other choice of being understood/understanding anything; works wonders!
cruciform: diana_coman, guess I should move to Ancient Greece!
diana_coman: cruciform: wouldn't that be good, too!
diana_coman: but could have just asked dad to not reply in/to anything other than that; and then see how it goes, lol.
diana_coman: well, choose your year carefully; and everything else you get to choose, for that matter, I suppose.
cruciform: diana_coman, still wouldn't solve the him-not-being-a-cute-female-tutor problem
diana_coman: can't solve it all, indeed
cruciform: I'm a little hesitant to pop http://trilema.com/2012/cum-devii-un-jucator-de-poker-bun/ into Google Translate
diana_coman: yeah, unlikely to help much
diana_coman: so let it itch, what
cruciform: Not sure how helpful it'd be to find a Romanian to translate it; would probably produce some lolz equity, at any rate
diana_coman: it's one of the most straightforward articles on trilema actually ; so it might work but provided you find not-an-idiot, what can I say.
cruciform: diana_coman, that's the problem - I know quite a few Romanian gamblers; not-idiot is the tricky part
diana_coman: heh, as always
cruciform: I meant to annotate it ages ago, but never got round to it
diana_coman: ahaha, so it is actually translated already, cool
diana_coman: might as well reply then to the comment and add the link
cruciform: diana_coman, on it! also glad that I don't have to talk to any Romanian gamblers!
diana_coman: ahaha, are they any worse than generic not-good-gamblers?
diana_coman: (genuinely curious, not a loaded question)
cruciform: they're renowned for being particularly miserable, ornery and nitty
diana_coman: sounds quite believable
cruciform: In fact, I've only EVER seen them smile when someone they don't like is losing (not when they're winning, even)
diana_coman: it has a name!!! it's called "sa moara capra vecinului" (may the neighbour's goat die!)
diana_coman: there is a whole set of layers to that, it's not by accident
cruciform: would you mind explaining the idiom?
diana_coman: cruciform: sure; but where to start from so it makes sense to you, hm; do you know how rural communities work esp re figuring out one's own worth ?
cruciform: diana_coman, how much livestock one owns?
diana_coman: no, not at all
diana_coman: huh, look, for the short version I did already even say it on...trilema, lolz, here: http://trilema.com/2019/derpy-sluttyev-or-how-shall-i-call-this/#comment-130373
cruciform: ah, so it's "no one else is doing better than I, so I'm great"?
diana_coman: re rural community though - it's basically through direct and continuous comparison of visible assets; in Ro the main part used to be land (because agriculture) but otherwise everything about the others' house, so yeah, nobody has taller/bigger house than mine/happier and bigger goat than mine, hence I'm ...the greatest
diana_coman: not even "great", it doesn't exist as such, it's about the greatest
diana_coman: and sure, easier to kill the neighbour's goat than to get your own (at least from some perspective)
diana_coman: cruciform: but you can link it back to "being better than the average player", see?
cruciform: diana_coman, still here; chewing through it
diana_coman: basically in a proper rural community, there is a very visible and easily measured hierarchy anyway; and the least capable ones that get bitter will tend to go this way - since they can't (or internalised that they can't) get ahead, then focus on keeping the others behind (so that they can get ahead, sort of thing)
cruciform: diana_coman, sounds very socialist
diana_coman: ahaha, how is that?
cruciform: well, given that humans are guassian AT LEAST, those that *can't* want to lower the bar; bring those that *can* down to their level/pretend equality
diana_coman: cruciform: how do you link that to socialism though?
diana_coman: no, it's not pretend to equality
diana_coman: it's very much hierarchy and getting ahead, nothing to do with equality; they are not aiming to be equal to the neighbour, not at all
cruciform: I can't have a goat like my neighbour does; I'll kill his and we can be equal
diana_coman: neah; they want the neighbour to fail and the more he fails, the better, it's about being *better than* the neighbour, not equal
diana_coman: and even more/deeper in the end - about the fact that if the neighbour fails, then own fail is vindicated aka "see, I told you you'd fail"
diana_coman: it's the lazy/incompetent's form of "cut-throat competition" really: he'll win by holding everyone back.
cruciform: isn't that similar to the socialist mindset? lowering the bar so everyone can "compete"?
diana_coman: or whatever, insecure I suppose, in a more generous light
diana_coman: cruciform: you are mixing there bits and pieces; this whole rural stuff comes from way before socialism/communism
cruciform: diana_coman, yea; it's been a long day - induction has worn out my powers of deduction
diana_coman: sure, there is easily an added strata there because in socialism/communism the "getting ahead" in the party hierachy tends to work more on those lines than on competence, but it's another thing
diana_coman: ahaha; it's also not the sort of proof-by-induction problem !
cruciform: well, unless one ties all his neighbour's goats together and pushes the first one off the mountain
diana_coman: funnily enough, despite the idiom, it's more often cows and sheep rather than goats that people used to have, but anyways
diana_coman: also, you see, the whole satisfaction is in the neighbour's fail, preferably without a (visible) helping hand
diana_coman: eh, the intricacies of petty bitterness
diana_coman: not worth all that much thinking of it really
cruciform: it's been very instructive, thanks!
diana_coman: cruciform: out of curiosity, what age group are those goat-haters you know?
cruciform: I've never asked 'em, and their dour countenance might make 'em look older, but I'd guess 31-45
cruciform: no very young or very old
cruciform: (there are loads of young Romanian staff at casinos, though)
diana_coman: huh, I expected even younger (not very old because they wouldn't be there, yeah); possibly they had to take the time to accumulate that bitterness and get convinced enough they can't do anything other than the goat-hating, perhaps.
cruciform: I'd imagine young Romanians wouldn't have had time to build up capital to gamble with?
diana_coman: I have sudden trouble imagining "Romanians" and "building capital" in the same sentence, lol
cruciform: though, I'm not sure Romania is particularly poorer than anywhere else in Europe
diana_coman: perhaps; I don't really know about the gambling world.
diana_coman: well, those you find here are certainly not the poorest, not even by far
diana_coman: anyways, they gloriously keep alive the goat-hating tradition, what can I say.
cruciform: well, given that the two I'm most familiar with are MP and yourself, that's true!
diana_coman: ahaha, you just said you knew loads of Romanians around the casinos, what
cruciform: I know their faces; not much more - they tend to hang out exclusively with each other
diana_coman: but no, seriously - no idea if you know for reals what dirt-poor means, but ...it exists; it's true that it's not the sort of sordid inner-city-poverty (mainly because of no city) but still.
diana_coman: sure, it exists in other parts of Europe too, there is that
cruciform: I saw something like it in Serbia - people living in an abondoned... hospital, I think it was?
diana_coman: (and probably it'll grow, too)
cruciform: I'm really curious to see just how fucked the economy is over the next year or so
diana_coman: the thing is - getting on a plane already requires *some* resources ; even if they may be borrowed - having who to borrow them from is a resource too and so on.
diana_coman: cruciform: ahaha; your curiosity shall be fully satisfied, I'm quite sure; but do mind what you wish for!
cruciform: lol, true!
cruciform: I'd imagine things like gambling will take quite a hit?
diana_coman: re gambling I have no idea really (as I said, it's a world I don't know much about so can't really comment on it either)
diana_coman: and I'd say it's not gambling per se that will take any hit - it's possibly though what you know as gambling aka those specific casinos
diana_coman: like with everything else
cruciform: Poker buddies are worried about their uninsured deposits at said casinos, right now
diana_coman: usually the times of trouble simply show what was just pretense (which falls) and what not (which stands, though it might not be in the open, sure)
diana_coman: eh, and the insurance will do what? lol
cruciform: well, here's to standing!
diana_coman: cheers!
diana_coman: anyways, I'll call it a day too, good night
cruciform: and wrt insurance, methinks this is a big can o' worms
cruciform: aha, gn!
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billymg: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2020-04-22#1025005 << jfw, yup, looks good. one minor thing for the patch removing js selection: the wrapper <span> tags in page.php and single.php can be removed as well
ossabot: Logged on 2020-04-22 16:39:07 jfw: the JS selector reminds me, billymg: I signed the two patches that seemed settled, in http://fixpoint.welshcomputing.com/v/mp-wp/ ; are they suitable for you as is?
billymg: jfw: i also wasn't able to press locally with a keccak v.pl, the patches/seals looked fine to me so i couldn't figure out what the issue was. any ideas?
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