(trilema) ben_vulpes: leaks account data
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but this sucks for obvious reasons
(trilema) ben_vulpes: another approach is to challenge-response and hand over a session token
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes well steal from the best
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ben_vulpes apparently utter sucker for webdrudgery
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but, and many details not designed at this rate since you press me, something along the lines of pizarro/$fp/ renders an encrypted account status including support tickets
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that i've not proposed a solution yet lol
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm half of a mind to take offense at the implication i'd impose email on anybody in the republic
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: quit jumping to conclusions
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: from experience, chat is a miserable way to manage support tickets.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i've been thinking about a pizarro wot identity, yes
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there is also the concern of every customer now gotta be rated, likely by me, which puts me in the nanotube position
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm not necessarily loathe to give up the "dump pubkey and sshkey in hole, pay invoice, receive server deets at this url encrypted to your key" model, but i worry the irc demands are an unnecessary salting of friction
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the freenode nick/handle constraint does grate.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mhm mhm
(trilema) ben_vulpes: there'll be ~no way around asking each user for a gpg key i don't think
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i imagine some kind of remotehands queue of "make rockchip with sshkey of XXX, upload which IP addr or other unique identifier got the key in question"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: not worthwhile imho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i figured that something like this was the case and appreciate the followup
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: in re production rockchip plant, is it feasible to, with some netboot magic, bring a rockchip up with a specific ssh key emplaced?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: mk, will callout at top the changes in a bit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i guess next month i will make vpatch reports
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: the next item after setting Mocky up with python cgi on UY1 (dear lord, it never ends) will be to databize our customer list, ip assignations, rack assignations, subscriptions etc. i will then reproduce your calculator with actual numbers.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://pizarroisp.net/index.php/2018/05/04/pizarro-statement-april-2018/ << updated
(trilema) ben_vulpes: protip: it's all of them
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gotta see into the future, know which will stop and not be behind them
(trilema) ben_vulpes: $oblig-rhino-photo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: where you bomb a wedding and then bomb it again when the women and children rush back in screaming to pull their husbands and sons from the carnage
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: believable political careers take time to fabricate. schniederman mighta been a someone in some other context, but what's his replacement? another "first $minoritygroup to NYAG"? even diehard leftists are not so bullish on firsts after the first black man to run the show gleefully doubletapped weddings for his entire stay in the whitehouse.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and lo, isn't it interesting that as the barrier for lordship goes up and the bar for defrocking goes down, the pantsuit imitate to their detriment while the republic purges dross?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: i'm none too interested in the specifics; i'm more interested in/amused by the long-predicted continually-lowering-bar-to-defrockment tearing the pantsuit organizations apart from the top.,
(trilema) ben_vulpes: "manual of use is how i use women!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and in methinks the democrat doth protest too much news, another meetooist has been getting slappy in bed: https://www.newyorker.com/news/news-desk/four-women-accuse-new-yorks-attorney-general-of-physical-abuse
(trilema) ben_vulpes: anyways, lawnmower engine can lift all that you could possibly want to lift. no need to optimize on this axis.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: peroxide goes through half-decade-ly popularity cycles, folks discover the cat packs are a pita, move on to propane or other low-dough exotics.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: because intellectually lazy americans have outgrown their curiosity, and buy kits to bolt together. "look ma, i r aerospace engineer!"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: prop inertia
(trilema) ben_vulpes: reversible direction for another
(trilema) ben_vulpes: constant speed has fundamentally appealing attributes, way lower prop inertia for same power output for one.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no, but vastly less so than the generator assy. it's a collar around each prop.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: you can get the fine control with mechanical rotor pitch variation as well.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: extra weight from generator.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what instead, chain?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: in other usg idiocies, i recently found a dood who achieved the not-insignificant feat of a constant propspeed belt-drive GAS ENGINE QUADCOPTER butbutbut the rotor pitch variation mechanism RUNS OVER WIFI
(trilema) ben_vulpes looking forward to that puncturing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: now i sympathize deeply but the apparent frugality is at such odds with the otherwise liberal combustion of dollars that it induces a painful headache of cognitive dissonance
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was saddened that they're apparently in bed with such jews that they can't bring themselves to sink the target ship
(trilema) ben_vulpes: goddamn i wanna BLOW SHIT UP
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aaaaand in oldie-but-guaranteed-to-bring-childish-joy-to-the-face-of-the-rocketry-enthusiast-goodies: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jgv5ixxgTsQ
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thx phf
(trilema) ben_vulpes: that'sallfornow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: shows up as speshulchar ^L in emacs; i've seen this before in other lispwads written by the github crew and don't really know what to make of it. convention of the ancients? perhaps asciilifeform or phf or someone else who's literate and knows history could enlighten me.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: form feed?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also esthlos what's with the linefeeds and extreeeeemely wide codeformatting?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://cascadianhacker.com/vehlisp-genesisvpatch in case anyone forgot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: esthlos: also needs a build script to produce a binary for use outside of a LISP repl; my lisp v implementation ran afoul of this years ago. ~nobody would fire up a lisp repl to test the thing. this may be different today, but the fact remains that for this to make it into widespread use it's going to need to be callable from the linux cli.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: actually invalid signature in .seals should stop the world, but i don't recall offhand if that's differentiable from the no key for signature case
(trilema) ben_vulpes: esthlos: i would like to see it complain loudly if it finds a bad signature, not merely look for some good ones
(trilema) ben_vulpes: at least i pretend to be
(trilema) ben_vulpes: we're adults, can interleave
(trilema) ben_vulpes: esthlos: ^^
(trilema) ben_vulpes: use a tempdir for gnupg's keyring; thing must be stateless.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: esthlos: seems your v doesn't take a head to which to press, but implicitly presses whatever comes out of the toposort; this is incorrect and the operator needs a lever there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: esthlos: where do you want input? comments on a-vtron ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: whimsy is thiiiick in there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i just found my old cl v as well; gonna dust it off for lulz
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'll give it a read today
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mccain's deathbed lulz are grade a: he'd rather have the aborter-in-chief around, totally fries leeb heads who'd just started to like the old coot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: especially us orclands!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aaha.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: betcha street shit is riddled with thiamin and friends
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: we gotta get you a kitchen; no reason you should be buying crackers when you can recruit girls to do it for you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm still boggled that people appear to outgrow curiosity
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i suggest a wordpress plugin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: you're just being lazy with your funnel metrics
(trilema) ben_vulpes: standard cab driver tech for...decades?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and in 'the orly? report': http://gcaptain.com/new-york-governor-vows-dunkirk-style-citizens-fleet-to-block-offshore-drilling
(trilema) ben_vulpes: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/bill-gates-says-he-would-short-bitcoin-if-there-was-an-easy-way-to-do-it-2018-05-07 << moar wrinkly old men
(trilema) ben_vulpes: augh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: esthlos: did you read mod6 or asciilifeform's v implementations before writing yours?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what's the sampler-system design, i mean
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what does the sample-taking equipment look like?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: very much in the vein of "surely you're not..."
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was asking him not speaking to my own knowledge
(trilema) ben_vulpes: or who is it
(trilema) ben_vulpes: gotcha; what are their rates?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trb on rockchip, lobbes ?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh dear i am going to need a vastly better system for debiting unearned income.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: win.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fellas ears are probably bright red
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: http://deedbot.org/help.html
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oh lawdamercy
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: you read the faq and help pages
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yes and thank you!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: epic
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol he actually got the fromdeedbot handle
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-4#349507 << i too would like some of these dollops, should one slide from your spoon
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !!up fromdeedbot you gotta close the web page when you close your laptop
(trilema) ben_vulpes: imma rework april, thanks for catching my derps mircea_popescu
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fully-rented 4u of this would bring us to breakeven at $50/mo, but demands 100% occupancy, otoh that's only 25% of 16U rockchip plant occupancy. so, i don't see a really compelling case for bringing the price down much further.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: oodles.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: looks like the monthly cost basis, assuming a 1-yr amortization horizon is 18.35 usd
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have you...tried?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: a) the whole name is tab-completable and should be used b) it's really not that hard dood
(trilema) ben_vulpes: word, thanks danielpbarron
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh judging from teh l0de patreon page could buy some airtime
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: that was what was behind the minimal hosting gedankenexperiment
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: for my notebook, what needs streamlining?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: what'd the other nonbitcoinating kind of compute be?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fromdeedbot: so reg a key, rent a rockchip
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol i signaled !!update
(trilema) ben_vulpes: after we can afford more bw, i hazard
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh i actually have this usb thinger sitting unused i got as a wedding present forever and a day ago
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah but gimme a break, none of the shitcoins are going to work on anything but ubuntu and with a gui
(trilema) ben_vulpes: if only shitcoinists were gentoo-capable...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is grade a shitcoin walletfarm fodder
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rsa *and* bitcoin-safe coloware
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aok then wow marvelous
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: huh i was laboring under the impression that it had unforgivably bad io or something
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !!update fromdeedbot
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not because i want to pack trbs in but because it is *the* litmus test of compute: "will it bitcoinate?"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: look also for boards that'll trbate
(trilema) ben_vulpes: laugh a little wouldja
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so five bucks! for the tap
(trilema) ben_vulpes: right
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what it costs to bolt the chassis together i mean
(trilema) ben_vulpes tallying
(trilema) ben_vulpes: switches
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yeah i know the costs for sticks and rockchippen; i wanna know chassis, your time, stuff like cabling
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: can you pull a number for per-u fab cost out of your rear?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is the "when do you start trading?" thread all over again; i'm going to have to review both in depth i think i'm thick as it didn't stick the first time.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: time is not on pizarro's side.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i completely agree.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah, is this in re the refinancing for plant buildout?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: sorry, i do not follow
(trilema) ben_vulpes: stick around long enough and you'll either be made into ^ or spat out
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what are you talking about, more than any pantsuit 'big tent', you can make yourself into the kind of person who belongs here.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: who are you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ohai quadsar
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !!up quadsar
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-5#350270 << http://archive.is/jp4kZ followed by...
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have seen this, and it was a mistake to not follow suit.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-4#350177 << well i checked it twice, changed something and then failed to check it again is what happened. so, must rework and restate.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://logs.bvulpes.com/trilema?d=2018-5-4#350180 << aah, this makes sense. a liability, effectively. so i'll hafta rework this whole thing.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lookit lobbes, already drafting his pitch. lobbes you're ~hired
(trilema) ben_vulpes eating log
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i gotta step away for a spell but will come back and address
(trilema) ben_vulpes: but go on about the numbers that interest you
(trilema) ben_vulpes: no not really, it's more interesting later on in the trajectory "revenues on assets of whatever"
(trilema) ben_vulpes: this is very much not standard practice tho, and imho better to show a conservative estimate of what assets are (losing value month by month) than to inflate possibly controversially the valance sheet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: it's an accounting practice; we could in theory only depreciate the SSDs and hold the machines onthebooks forever to reflect your view that the iron doesn't actually lose value.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: ah that's correct
(trilema) ben_vulpes: heh you know precisely what i'm actually bitching about
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mk well let me know what doesn't make sense at your leisure
(trilema) ben_vulpes: right, that's exactly it.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: updooted for clarity.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: including existing
(trilema) ben_vulpes emerges into sunlight, blinks
(trilema) ben_vulpes: could i possibly induce you to set up a bouncer on the shared machine so i can tabcomplete your name after you close your laptop?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thanks BingoBoingo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aight, so i'm an uncivilized turd.
(trilema) ben_vulpes rubs hands excitedly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what is better about this?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: yup makes sense
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: interesting
(trilema) ben_vulpes: fancy spreadsheet, i mean
(trilema) ben_vulpes: next month this all goes into a database
(trilema) ben_vulpes: hey trinque wouldja share your definition for bitcoin_amount
(trilema) ben_vulpes: genuinely thought that i had forgotten my kindergarten subtraction algorithms for a moment
(trilema) ben_vulpes: trinque: the error reproduces in the ios "pcalc" but not in the google calculator
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and no, unformatted, returning values to the repl
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i have a (setf *read-default-float-format* 'double-float) in my .sbclrc
(trilema) ben_vulpes: see the line i sent to candi_lustt just a moment ago
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i'm getting demonstrably wrong numbers out of sbcl when subtracting
(trilema) ben_vulpes: of course satoshi had to pick a number of decimals guaranteed to break everything in the world.
(trilema) ben_vulpes now hand-summing numbers
(trilema) ben_vulpes: well that only looks correct because of truncation, sbcl locally sez '8.75863727'
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !W (- 9.15831827 0.399861)
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !!up candi_lustt
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'm sitting here getting float errors out of everything but my pad of paper
(trilema) ben_vulpes: what do y'all use for summing big lists of bitcoin values?
(trilema) ben_vulpes gotta make some breakfast for other dependents, bbiab
(trilema) ben_vulpes: also this has to be in addition to icecream monies.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: i recall many sticking points around the flat; wouldja enumerate? water heater, previous flatrental...?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6 asciilifeform: i dun object; pizarro needs a better foundation than a writhing pile of chinches. i'd like to get a flat down there; this can consolidate the housing and desk expenses and provide i expect much needed moral uplift.
(trilema) ben_vulpes chewing through log
(trilema) ben_vulpes: tee hee hee
(trilema) ben_vulpes: douchebag: what *would* you upgrade a windows whatever whenever user to?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ahahahaha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: it's a great honking core sample of modern compute shitstack
(trilema) ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: is alive btw
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i can't believe we're entertaining the notion of depriving the poor chinches
(trilema) ben_vulpes: ah shit i didn't even think about apartment as bunk + cowork replacement augh i'm so dumb
(trilema) ben_vulpes: have
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i'll poke him
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sound just like mine!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: the search, not the php
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not immediately, but yes.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: sure
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and yes i have thought about this and yes i want it quite badly
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mp solved this in trilema aeons ago; pay some bitcents get a cookie
(trilema) ben_vulpes: rockin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: getting there
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: yeah, 5 booked
(trilema) ben_vulpes: right on
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: will do
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aye aye
(trilema) ben_vulpes: thanks diana_coman, i will send you rockchip creds as soon as it's enrngified
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: roger
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !!v 42875025764AA303156A614D6FA1BCB186457A27CD341C0B7B2A508C707DFE21
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !!v DA63516A7ADBC08F2A1D5FA918FCE0F8832DA90C6300891246604E30CA994C7A
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: gonna invoice you for the same term as your rockchip unless you object
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: jokes, mircea_popescu freed up both cables!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i mighta screwed that up; i cannot recall if they came in before or after i flew out.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: keep on with the lonely young male routine nobody's going to know that you've done anything until you show up on day 28 with lord only knows what
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so douchebag i set you up with a rockchip, what, thirteen days ago? assuming trinque is going to grace you the period until you had with what you claim you needed to do the promised research (which...mmmk), clock is fuckin tickin
(trilema) ben_vulpes: isn't he still on the hook for a trb dependency report?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: heh me too; $girl floated it as a destination again, although i'm more interested in the chilean border area
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mod6: sure, i hear that we don't have with what to hook them up yet tho
(trilema) ben_vulpes: i would dearly like to see a .arsventure out of herr BingoBoingo
(trilema) ben_vulpes: http://pizarroisp.net/index.php/pizarro-hosting-rate-sheet/ << updooted with FG rental pricing
(trilema) ben_vulpes: diana_coman: $100 us/mo. ($75 if paid quarterly) for the rockchip, 0.00104167 per month for the FG once we have cabling.
(trilema) ben_vulpes: lol oh you mean just fabricate my own, ok
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: please send me a copy of the invoice; box in my inventory does not have such
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ack
(trilema) ben_vulpes: one sec diana_coman
(trilema) ben_vulpes wiggles eyebrows
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: rota?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: !!key Mocky
(trilema) ben_vulpes: yet
(trilema) ben_vulpes: not so direly short on disk so as to be reclaiming aggressively
(trilema) ben_vulpes: aha
(trilema) ben_vulpes: nono it's !!pay ben_vulpes 5
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "bitcoin corrupts"!
(trilema) ben_vulpes: so the cost prevents the ddos
(trilema) ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: ddos vector neh
(trilema) ben_vulpes: and negrates terminate accounts?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: UY1 is currently an 'l2 only' tool, so definitionally everyone's gotta be at least gotta have a newblood rating
(trilema) ben_vulpes: still going to make folks get in the wot though, right?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: bw caps?
(trilema) ben_vulpes: mk, so hard disk caps, this is doable
(trilema) ben_vulpes: since we're on the topic, i want to float the notion of hosting-only plans in the $5/mo range; subscribers get an ftp user and files get served from pizarroisp.net/~wothandle/