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(ossasepia) diana_coman: ofc, that doesn't mean that one wouldn't be able to even trace perhaps what you learnt from where; there's no problem with that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so in this sense, certainly; and it's true that the more attuned the relationship, the deeper the "copy" but it's always super-imposed and ultimately mixed until at some point - I'd hope - you make out of everything you got + "copied" on the way, your own style
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: lol, that is more likely to depend on your own representation of it (ie if you see it in terms of eating or whatever); yes, learning from someone means inevitably copying their style to start with (not just superficially, no)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: fwiw, being uncomfortable with there being a King is one of those cases where it's your problem, not the reality's fault; it links in to today's mandatory reading
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the 2nd question there doesn't quite make sense to me - what you cite is something specifically-crafted for a particular profile.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-26#1004015 - there's no requirement (at least not as yet) to have/maintain a castle, no; think of it: I'm Marquess Eulora, not #o, for that matter
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but that doesn't mean that we're stuck now in having to import everything just because it was done then.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: remember that tmsr is still this thing here, growing as it sees fit; it's not a "let's copy medieval times" or something - to the extent that the growth happens (for reasons related to what growth is) similarly to that past thing, the same structures will naturally follow and therefore the same names might meaningfully be used
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the important part is that the King is the ultimate authority (the one with whom the buck stops); as such, public authority flows inevitably from him, yes; that's about it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-26#1004074- afaik it hasn't been made explicit/stated as such, no; and remember that in the original medieval code, vasselage was an add-on essentially so possibly not (yet) relevant really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-26#1004071 - they can desert, of course, though it makes about ~0 sense really (why start from 0 when there is the thing already); as asciilifeform points out though, cast-aways and splits did happen but with 0 real effect
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-26#1938378 - right; not "redefined" as much as updated implementation.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: possibly why not seen; I've been to Oxford otherwise quite a number of times so I think I'd have spotted him.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: aha,it's a perfect illustration, yes;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: onth I wonder how long it would take until some committee or another notices if one of its "members" is stuffed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I don't know bentham demanded that though, hm; iirc he asked to be dissected (ie body used for study) and then preserved, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: neah, I have no curiosity really but fwiw the "Parlament debates" here are usually hillarious, quite more fun than any plays/sketches they manage to write/act otherwise.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but yes, it's basically *the reason* why one would defend the king/the master, if nothing else.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and there is no need or desired for it to be "the same" either, it should change; continuity of the above sort is quite enough really (I suppose the usual "you can't step twice in the same river" might help to illustrate why not the same)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie "continuity" is to some extent an illusion: sure, it's named the same and it follows even perhaps similar principles but to the extent that it is what the King makes it, it can't be said to be "the same"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: essentially, what happens when the King dies (or equivalent) is that the republic as-it-was dies one death anyway but in some happy cases, it manages to be reborn/reincarnated in the same place (in the shape that the new King gives it) and quickly enough that the population doesn't suffer too great losses, that's pretty much it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it's not just "decided" really; I mean: sure, one can decide to anything but whether it works or how it works depends on a whole lot more than "decided to"; there is however *no possible escape* from this; the moment you try to make it "independent of individuals", the only possible result is ...sterile bureaucracy.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: what happens to this chan here if I get marooned on mars or I drop dead?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: it's a republic of people, not systems/models; as such, if at that time there is someone able to actually be a King, then it goes on as they steer it; if not, it dies whatever death it dies.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for that matter, lobbes is a lord; this doesn't mean that he's barred from getting help in here (or I'm not barred from helping him), what sense would that make
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so now, the above is *not* to be mixed with one's own nature or their current interests; one can be a slave and part of the lordship; one can be a Master and not part of the lordship; *any* combination really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: note that there isn't even any requirement to ...accept lordship, after all; while it hasn't yet happened, I don't see why it wouldn't, some time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: to round it up: making it to lordship means strictly "have intelligent and relevant things to say + be so active and useful to tmsr that the other lords want you among them in #t"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and for that matter, one can be a master without being a lord, perfectly fine
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and the important part there is that it *follows* (not precedes) said usefulness but it doesn't say anything about (nor impose restrictions on) the lord's nature or private arrangements or whatever
(ossasepia) diana_coman: note that lordship is ultimately a recognition of *usefulness* , nothing more, nothing less
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie a lord, as a minimum, is someone holding a fief (so active and in charge of some tmsr-relevant piece) + participating in the tmsr court/ halls (aka #trilema)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: now, what makes a lord? strictly speaking, MP's decision and ultimately yes, it's his choice; but there are some crucial criteria that are more like "minimum bar" rather than anything else:
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie non-lords can become lords and the other way around; this is important because absent such mobility, what you get is going nowhere in a short time
(ossasepia) diana_coman: an important part to note there is that these are *not fixed* groups
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: let's detangle this: MP is the king (absolute ruler) of TMSR; he (as the absolute ruler that he is) then proceeds to markedly split the population into 2 groups: the lordship and the rest;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-26#1004001 - note though that there is no reason why one lord can't work for another, what; don't mix tmsr hierarchy (which is at the end of the day about *role*; yes, roles can't be fulfilled by those undeserving but that doesn't mean that role *makes one deserving*, ugh)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: http://younghands.club/2019/09/26/takeover-irc/#comment-29 (but yes, you should follow the rss feeds for younghands.club esp the one for comments)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: once the new model is deployed (lordship = rating 9 from MP rather than rating>0 from deedbot), I'll get around to update the ratings too;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so shrysr you can use feedbot because I rated you;
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: once the new voice model comes in, is the L1 redefined accordingly too? iirc there are some priviledges such as "can use feedbot & deedbot only if in L1", right? spyked or trinque might correct me here.
(trilema) diana_coman: ah, now I see it re thimbronion.com - he tripped over his own feet, didn't he; fwiw he got told off for it and he fixed it; anyway that "plan" needs revising.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: until very recently (yesterday), L0 meant the lordship so you'd be in L1 if a lord rated you (positively,ofc)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: thimbronion L1 means level 1 in the ratings-web that has deedbot at its centre; specifically: those rated directly by deedbot are "L0"; those rated by someone that deedbot rated are "L1" and so forth
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie start literally by standing up a server on whichever network works; you can pick it rolling a dice for all it matters
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: sweating over this "choice" is premature optimisation; given that we want to be in the end on all of them, the *only* real consideration currently would be "the easiest to setup a server on and bridge from"; but since you can't know that upfront really, it doesn't matter much
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the "pick" is simply - go and stand up a server on that network; the first non-freenode one on which you got that, is "the pick"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so in this sense, whichever one you "pick" works just fine
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: note that "pick one" is not something to sweat over - remember that the goal is to end up on ALL of them ANYWAY
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: yo, you've put in the wrong link to your *own* website, lmao; I agree it probably would have been easier to have it thimbronion.com but...you chose it as thimbron.com, lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: MP is the King if you go with the feudal titles ie absolute top of the tmsr hierarchy
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: he has http://thimbron.com/ for some reason; /me will catch up with the logs now
(ossasepia) diana_coman: bot cites only one line, not several; when several lines are cited it's because of interplay between bots (ie if you cited from ossabot's log a line that included a citation from snsabot's log then you'd have both)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: how do you mean?
(trilema) diana_coman: spyked: indeed it does; basically the browser-display is the broken part
(trilema) diana_coman: (and them mircea_popescu will write a mandatory-reading thread of more than 500 lines and my log-selection via log-raw will fail).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr thimbronion whaack whaack_travel crucial and therefore mandatory reading: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1938185&iend=1938213
(trilema) diana_coman: morning mircea_popescu
(trilema) diana_coman: this thread will be mandatory reading for #o residents
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if it is though of the protection/avoidance sort, you either face it or get screwed by it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if this is of the sort "I think I'm better off on my own" then it's quite easy to sort out too - set yourself a big goal and a deadline for it - e.g. "I'll make it to lordship on my own steam by April 2021 or I'll go on 1st of May 2022 on my knees to whoever will take me and do something useful with me"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so spell out those doubts and look at them properly esp. what's their root or they are very unlikely indeed to go away.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003976 - that's actually how it works, it's never about what you "like" really, it's always about what you will not live without or in other words, no matter how scrumptious the carrots you see, it's still the stick that actually makes you move.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I got what you were trying to explain, lol; the point above is that your conclusion can't stand because the comparison is broken to start with; anyways, laters.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: and you know, for that matter, how does it work "plants or not"; what, next you'll be "wrong" for not doing photosynthesis?
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937958 - damn it, made me write a bash+awk to fish it out ffs, line 1001471
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and note also that there is often a huge difference between what they claim and what it really is
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: you wouldn't be happy with their "happy"; if ever in doubt, look a bit closer at *all* they "have", not just the "they seem happy" and you'll find in short order stuff you wouldn't put up with
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and because you are not one of those plants, if you beat yourself up to become one, you'll go as asciilifeform says - to the bottle/weed/similar
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but none of those are individuals essentially, no matter how you look at it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: some are straight happy like that, some find it via derealisation
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: yes, many are happy to just exist, similar to other plants around, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: fwiw in general you seem to actively *prefer* to make your own path; but then all of a sudden you have second thoughts or get cold feet or dunno what and you seem to turn around entirely looking to follow.
(trilema) diana_coman: on the other hand, since he's been apparently slaving away in web-shitstack & python for ages, he'll have a stab at the multi network bridging thing; we'll see if he cuts or breaks his teeth on it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ok.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: at any rate, if you want to work on this, make your plan and ask if you need whatever sort of help with it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: note also that you really do need to get your head around the WoT among other basics because otherwise you'll trip over them quite badly
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: it's an opening and if you do it properly you basically have your way to the top right there; after which, you *can* have something to say re/from china too, for that matter;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ideally the full idea runs like this: add a server to another network, run there republican ircd and then gradually extend to all networks, bridging as you add more networks so that users connected to one network appear connected to all networks
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform, BingoBoingo fwiw smg servers did not reset so certainly not overall mains outage
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: works that way too, sure.
(trilema) diana_coman: wb BingoBoingo !
(trilema) diana_coman: apparently back on
(trilema) diana_coman: looking in my local log, there was no talk in #o between snsabot out/in
(trilema) diana_coman: ossasepia.com (pizarro) is down too, yes
(trilema) diana_coman: well, apparetly he was connected from piz too, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: ugh; is that the first out of sync line?
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw I was keeping a bit mum precisely to give you time to sync bot when I saw it went down first; then ofc everyone @piz went down
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: did the bot get out of sync now ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: maybe get a cloak from freenode
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re what would this entail- the idea is here: multiple networks
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because "chinese news" as such a la herpy-derpy local-twitter personalities is at best smoke in the wind
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: as a springboard to the chinese thing, really; re China, in principle there is big scope there though possibly not the sort that you imagine
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: for that matter, since you know python, you are hardened working with the full web-shitstack and you've been following around for quite a while - doesn't the take over irc fief appeal to you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003906 - ok; I'll take this as proper starting date here ie your first week-plan will be for the week 21-27 October
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: on the bright side, you spoke up timely when struggling with the work/deadline so there is hope!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes; they don't seem to teach how to read something either; remember nicoleci's summaries? the woman can clearly think but oh boy; and I almost dread I'll find the same with thimbronion (hopefully not but...)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: don't consider without asking; not only here but in general: *ask*; you have nothing to lose for a question and everything to lose for not asking it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: clearly your kindergarten was more adult than mine, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: iirc english has that "come eat grandma" (come eat, grandma vs come, eat grandma)
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937909 - that's precisely the sort of tasks he got because yes, needs to do more reading and to do *better* reading; by the looks of it the US doesn't teach people how to read, somehow, it's rather unbelievable.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this is why I say that you seem to make much more of an effort for the idiots than for the few non-idiots that you find.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: even here, why did I have to go and explicitly tap you on a shoulder anyway? why didn't you say something on your own, just like you said to that guy whose seminar you went to (presumably you found him and went to him on your own)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and while you might have been following here (I don't doubt it), hoping for recognition out of nowhere is not a good approach at all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003894 - your criteria when choosing/searching though are flawed from what I read on your old blog (eg "crypto twitter personality", HackerNews) and as a result "searching for idiots" ;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: more than for* anyone else
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what I don't get though: from your blog posts, you seem to be actually quite at ease talking to people; but somehow you talk to and search for... idiots a whole lot more than anyone else; why?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: a bit of a shame really ie if on purpose, the text should have *done something with it*, not "point it out of sorts in last sentence"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://63.80.184.72/blog/systems_not_gaols.html - ahahaha; is that goals -> gaols on purpose ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: import those posts to thimbron.com; you get to decide if you want to import the log of that chan too (as one post or whatever)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: no wonder, since you were both avoiding the same thing -> the same away.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: ah, so it's your own chan?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: probably a ton honest enough to at least link to relevant material ~some of the time; + many more tons that studiously avoid linking to anything that might touch tmsr.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: might not value it, but it's your history; add task 2: import all those old posts to your blog on thimbron.com
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: what's #exusiae ?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: so why this silly new-blog-new-me or what is it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: did you write anywhere before starting http://thimbron.com/ this August?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie you get away/got away so far without doing it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: whenever you don't do something despite knowing that it's better if you do it, the core answer is that you don't perceive the *need* to do it;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but it's unclear whether you do reading very well to start with; hm, lemme see.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if it's just "don't do it very much", it'll get solved through repeated beatings, until you do it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: yo!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: that's...spores, not spies?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: that requires a re-covering of the basics really; what do you mean when you say you are not good about re-reading?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: sounds good.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: well, next time you'll know what/where you want/don't want to spend more time, at the very least.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but yes, it sounds rushed, at the very least.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and Korea too for that matter
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ok, at least not totally green on that though by the sounds of it only the Americas, huh; differences might come as a shock esp as Japan is ...very tightly packed by comparison.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: did you travel abroad other-than-CR before?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the 8th means less than 2 weeks and running around korea too, huh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ok; when is then the deadline for this post?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so publish it on your own blog and just link it from a review post on younghands.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the trouble with publishing same thing in 2 places is precisely that you split stupidly any discussion on it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: when do you come back exactly?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hm, I thought you wanted feedback as you went about too; it's really up to you but in this case it makes more sense to set the deadline for when you come back and publish it on your own blog.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I don't mind it but if you can't publish on your own blog while away - how are you going to blog Japan?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: how's the log-reading going?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, better give yourself some time than rush it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ook but you have to give a deadline for publishing it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: actually: there's still a post you need to write too or is that done?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: good for you re dsc-rx100; and the rest sounds like a good plan.
(trilema) diana_coman: !!key diana_alt
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: mine is diana_alt
(trilema) diana_coman: but no, I wouldn't ask to have my travel key 9-rated.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: doh; lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: for that matter, travel keys won't be able to self-voice but I don't see a real problem with that.
(trilema) diana_coman: I was just going/checking through the list and it seems everyone on the list got their 9 rating
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: I think this issue with self-voice vs lordship comes from #trilema being both republican halls (ie lords discussion) and your own training halls (hence nicoleci's problem to self-voice if only-9 can do it);
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: isn't bvt lord verschlimmbessert?
(trilema) diana_coman: lol! that is probably among the easiest thing to prophesize, esp in land of shepherds
(trilema) diana_coman: heh, /me likes asciilifeform's dominus admirabilis
(trilema) diana_coman: so yes, nothing the rater can/wishes to say of the current "person"; still, they can/wish to say something of the past-identity if one asks
(trilema) diana_coman: hm; rather: 0 = there is history of interaction but there is nothing to say of the person currently (dead @ the morgue, precisely); onth no rating means no history whatsoever.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-25#1937779 - I think this is quite exactly what 0 rating means, yes.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: is there some eta/requirement on/for the castle-licensing thing? on my part I'm fine with it as stated.
(trilema) diana_coman: tbh it sounds a bit like discovering that 0 "exists", lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: mircea_popescu: yes, but not sure I see the point of "unset"; it's 0
(trilema) diana_coman: 0 is not "no rating"
(trilema) diana_coman: isn't that the natural morgue?
(trilema) diana_coman: hm; why does 0 disappear from the lists though?
(trilema) diana_coman: it's gigglybit!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: older domains may benefit from having some known reference book by the old guard so yes, it's comparatively easier there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for books and courses, the author matters and for modern "domains" it can be just as hard to filter out the noise and find a good book as it is to find a good master;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: if you can indeed spot all that it being bought for what it actually is, then yes, it works; but then, if you can actually do that, you can equally well just explore the domain and make your own learning path, so why bother filtering the filth?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this is why it's actually *safer* to ignore all of them *especially* when you don't know anything about the domain; it's counterintuitive and possibly depressing, I know; it still is what it is.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: basically the danger is that by the time you get to understand enough to even be able to see the ways in which the thing you bought from them is broken, it's way too late to not get hurt by it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: I know the appeal of "data-based approach" and "scientific analysis" but the substance is not at all solid just because "analysed data" or "it seems to work";
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: as a basic rule, the "our quest is to prove these theories" is ~= "we are idiots"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: well, you need to keep an eye on it and not neglect it until you can move on.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: just in case it wasn't clear - I asked you re work-at-mines just to make sure you are keeping on top of that too, that's all; from what you say, you are, hence ok.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: good then, I'll put it on the list to disable it on all new accounts.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: try re-login now
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: hm, let me actually disable the visual mode, maybe you get just the html and be done with it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: as a rule - always ask
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: how did the visual/html thing get sorted out for you on younghands.club in the end?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: the weird thing is that shrysr initially had the same trouble iirc ; http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-07-24#999260
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I suppose I'll actually do a write-up post on them, why not advertise them for tmsr anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I don't know if they saw reason beyond "she's paying nicely and she asked this of us" but I'm happy with that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: yep; I told them ahem, re-generate and encrypt, here's my public key and they simply did it, directly and without further fuss or anything.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re basic stuff: they initially sent credentials plain-text via email, no server fingerprint either; another time they messed up one invoice twice (first hilariously charging 1 month fees for a whole year of service, then upon me pointing out that yo, silly, they just did *12 instead of *10)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so I'm really quite happy so far; cheapest dedicated machine is 49 euros/month iirc ;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: ossabot lost connection only once really (and that time iirc it was after a netsplit)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: what does it mean exactly "won't switch"? what happens, what's the state of the thing?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: I'm using firefox here.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: re multiple networks, I'm looking to help someone step up to that plate, but they need to be ready too; it will happen though.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and I just paid for 1 year with btc straight to address given too, no problem so far
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but they are happy to do once asked and without any weird airs or anything
(ossasepia) diana_coman: they *need* to be told /corrected basic stuff at times
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: re moldavians, they have been reliable and *very prompt* so far; they have only Intel dedicated servers though but for what I need them I'm happy with them;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw on "visual" the icons on the buttons don't show; but switching the tabs works and buttons in html mode do show the icons etc.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: I just logged in with your user and it ..does work
(ossasepia) diana_coman: if you have it html, you need anyway the html tab - is that not working or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: it's actually enabled; do you mean you don't see the bar with the buttons ? or just the buttons or what?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lobbes: let me see, I think I disabled it; 1 min
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: sounds good.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: younghands.club is meant to be helpful 1. for keeping track of progress & getting timely feedback as I follow it 2. when/if one doesn't have own blog
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but essentially since it's your content, you'd naturally want it on your own blog, no?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you are always welcome to write other/more posts on younghands.club too, there is no limit and no problem
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: since you have your own blog, I'd say it serves you best to write your stuff on your own blog so you have it there at any time later and use younghands.club for weekly plans+reviews.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: sure; as it is, it's perfectly to spec and therefore absolutely correct.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: how's it going with your mine work too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'll think it over a bit longer and then add to the discussion at the spec if I still have something to say on it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: atm I can see it both ways (just one line or full tree) but what bothers me is this difference based on bot-preference - I can't quite see the meaning of it.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-24#1003714 - you still have a few days until the end of the month but if you want to have time for 1-2 iterations it's best to publish a draft sooner rather than later, indeed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I'll mull this over a bit.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: do you see the difference I mean there ? (ie final result/cited lines depending on which logs are used by each person rather than on what is referenced)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-24#1003711 - mainly because it's close to how requirements for a piece of software are sometimes classed ie "must-have, nice-to-have"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: fwiw, it may be that you don't feel comfortable working with uncertainty essentially; it is curable, mainly through practice.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: sounds like a good opportunity to try your hand at travel-logging really; esp since interactions can get... interesting with friends-of-friends with whom you haven't travelled before.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ha; asciilifeform where was this bot-cites-stuff-from-other-bot specced? I can see the point, but it does create as above difference depending on the interplay of bots rather than anything else, not sure this specific aspect was intended, was it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: it's very little time until Thursday and you have already the above + http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-24#1003682 to write on your blog so do those, it's fine.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: do you have some specific plan for the trip?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: atm you need to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-23#1003633 ; the younghands posts will be weekly plans+reviews so best start on those when you get back.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: let me know when you got your return date.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: you know your resources atm but that camera is worth its price.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: well, you'll need a good camera in costa rica too
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: I'll give you a chance, make the most of it; http://paste.deedbot.org/?id=TaQJ
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-23#1003662 - nice; I hope you have a decent camera with you too, yes?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: overall re domain name, it's mainly a question of what's your target really - if you target mainly those searching you via google, it makes sense perhaps to keep as primary ztkfg (I'd have said something ~readable even if short+unusual combination of starting letters); if you target those coming to you via WoT, all that stuff is irrelevant really and you might want to make it easier instead to link it with your name as you build yo
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and it's anyway a good idea to actually own your name online as everywhere.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: fwiw, whaacked.com is an easier to remember domain than ztkfg.com
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