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diana_coman: shrysr: if you can indeed spot all that it being bought for what it actually is, then yes, it works; but then, if you can actually do that, you can equally well just explore the domain and make your own learning path, so why bother filtering the filth?
diana_coman: for books and courses, the author matters and for modern "domains" it can be just as hard to filter out the noise and find a good book as it is to find a good master;
diana_coman: older domains may benefit from having some known reference book by the old guard so yes, it's comparatively easier there.
diana_coman: thimbronion: http://younghands.club/2019/09/25/gpg-overview-writeup-plan-week-1/#comment-25
diana_coman: !o uptime
ossabot: diana_coman: time since my last reconnect : 3d 15h 36m
whaack: diana_coman: after trying out the "small canon" and being very unimpressed (< quality of phone pic) i got the dsc-rx100 and needless to say am very satisfied! I put my old blog onto ztkfg.com with updated links. todays goals are: saltmines, pack for japaan, setup my travel bouncer, and get my CR tickets.
diana_coman: whaack: good for you re dsc-rx100; and the rest sounds like a good plan.
diana_coman: whaack: actually: there's still a post you need to write too or is that done?
whaack: diana_coman: no it's not done. i will try to do that tonight as well, but i'm not sure i'll have time. i was thinking that it may be a good activity for the plane ride
diana_coman: whaack: ook but you have to give a deadline for publishing it.
diana_coman: and yes, better give yourself some time than rush it.
diana_coman: jfw: how's the log-reading going?
whaack: diana_coman: Publishing on ztkfg while away requires tweaking some of my current settings on pizarro. So if i set a due-date during my trip, I will have to publish it on younghands. I think it serves as a good init post there, but i'll also want to copy it over to my personal blog when i get back.
diana_coman: whaack: I don't mind it but if you can't publish on your own blog while away - how are you going to blog Japan?
whaack: well i'd store it locally and then publish it when i get back.
diana_coman: hm, I thought you wanted feedback as you went about too; it's really up to you but in this case it makes more sense to set the deadline for when you come back and publish it on your own blog.
diana_coman: when do you come back exactly?
diana_coman: whaack: the trouble with publishing same thing in 2 places is precisely that you split stupidly any discussion on it.
whaack: October 8th. Okay I will just tweak my settings so I can post to my blog while away.
diana_coman: so publish it on your own blog and just link it from a review post on younghands.
diana_coman: whaack: ok; when is then the deadline for this post?
diana_coman: the 8th means less than 2 weeks and running around korea too, huh.
whaack: yeah, we go from Kyoto back to Tokyo by flying Kyoto -> Seoul, Seoul -> Tokyo. I would have had us moving around way less had I planned it.
diana_coman: whaack: did you travel abroad other-than-CR before?
whaack: diana_coman: Well while I was in CR before, I traveled to Nicaragua, Guatemala, and Peru. Before CR, i had traveled to the Dominican Republic with a group of college friends, and then a few other places as a teenager
whaack: So insofar as i'm an independent adult, notrly. but from my limited experience i know that i do not like to move around a lot trying to site-see everything i can. I'd rather just be in a new place for two weeks
diana_coman: ok, at least not totally green on that though by the sounds of it only the Americas, huh; differences might come as a shock esp as Japan is ...very tightly packed by comparison.
diana_coman: and Korea too for that matter
diana_coman: but yes, it sounds rushed, at the very least.
diana_coman: well, next time you'll know what/where you want/don't want to spend more time, at the very least.
whaack: re deadline for post - i say Saturday 28/09/19. I can get it done on the plane ride, so should be done by Friday, and then I'll leave an extra day in case i have some trouble connecting to the net
diana_coman: whaack: sounds good.
thimbronion: diana_coman: http://younghands.club/2019/09/25/gpg-overview-writeup-plan-week-1/#comment-26
diana_coman: thimbronion: that requires a re-covering of the basics really; what do you mean when you say you are not good about re-reading?
diana_coman: thimbronion: yo!
thimbronion: diana_coman: I am not sure how to respond. I got the idea that it's good to reread things to better understand them. However, after rereading things and understanding them better, I still don't do it very much. Perhaps not knowing what to prioritize...
diana_coman: if it's just "don't do it very much", it'll get solved through repeated beatings, until you do it.
diana_coman: but it's unclear whether you do reading very well to start with; hm, lemme see.
diana_coman: thimbronion: http://younghands.club/2019/09/25/gpg-overview-writeup-plan-week-1/#comment-27
diana_coman: thimbronion: whenever you don't do something despite knowing that it's better if you do it, the core answer is that you don't perceive the *need* to do it;
diana_coman: ie you get away/got away so far without doing it.
thimbronion: diana_coman: http://younghands.club/2019/09/25/gpg-overview-writeup-plan-week-1/#comment-28
diana_coman: thimbronion: did you write anywhere before starting http://thimbron.com/ this August?
thimbronion: diana_coman: yes: http://63.80.184.72/blog/
diana_coman: thimbronion: so why this silly new-blog-new-me or what is it?
diana_coman: thimbronion: what's #exusiae ?
thimbronion: diana_coman: Hm. Well. 1) old blog software was written by myself and had no hope of getting as good as mp-wp. 2) Had considered importing old posts, but didn't value them all that much. 3) Didn't want to re-setup my old blog software on new server. 4) New blog was because I wanted something hosted outside of US and wouldn't get arbitrarily taken down for wrong think.
whaack: heh i wonder how many secret "sideline republic" blogs there are
diana_coman: thimbronion: might not value it, but it's your history; add task 2: import all those old posts to your blog on thimbron.com
asciilifeform: whaack: iirc shinohai had one, but currently down
diana_coman: whaack: probably a ton honest enough to at least link to relevant material ~some of the time; + many more tons that studiously avoid linking to anything that might touch tmsr.
thimbronion: diana_coman: #exusiae was meant for discussion of my blog posts. It was also necessary due to the way I implemented comments for my static blog. So, if you wanted to comment, you had to reference the post in #exusiae.
diana_coman: thimbronion: ah, so it's your own chan?
thimbronion: diana_coman: yes. I only ever talked in it with a former college friend. We had a huge fight over Trump - all in the #exusiae logs. Completely dead now.
whaack: thimbronion: i had something similar sketched out http://ztkfg.com/2017/10/why-this-blog/#selection-19.219-23.1
diana_coman: whaack: no wonder, since you were both avoiding the same thing -> the same away.
thimbronion: whaack: cool. I know the idea had been discussed in #trilema or #bitcoin-assets.
diana_coman: thimbronion: import those posts to thimbron.com; you get to decide if you want to import the log of that chan too (as one post or whatever)
thimbronion: diana_coman: will do.
diana_coman: http://63.80.184.72/blog/systems_not_gaols.html - ahahaha; is that goals -> gaols on purpose ?
whaack: "Note that the name of this piece is intentionally mispelled." < I think so
thimbronion: whaack, diana_coman: I honestly couldn't remember until I read the last line.
diana_coman: thimbronion: a bit of a shame really ie if on purpose, the text should have *done something with it*, not "point it out of sorts in last sentence"
thimbronion: diana_coman: I agree. Pretty lame.
diana_coman: thimbronion: what I don't get though: from your blog posts, you seem to be actually quite at ease talking to people; but somehow you talk to and search for... idiots a whole lot more than anyone else; why?
diana_coman: more than for* anyone else
thimbronion: diana_coman: I am not intentionally searching for idiots. Most of my friends turned out to be idiots. I'm not sure where besides here and #trilema I could talk to non-idiots. The best I've been able to do is read #trilema and Trilema, after having fucked up my gpg key.
thimbronion: I did create the blog with the hopes of having the posts show up in #bitcoin-assets, but right around that time I messed up my key.
asciilifeform: http://63.80.184.72/blog/kevin_pham_wrong.html >> 'he was active in attacking Ethereum, which itself is an attack on Bitcoin' << wat ?
thimbronion: asciilifeform: I do not understand the question.
whaack: asciilifeform: his which refers to ethereum not the attacking of ethereum
asciilifeform: aa hm
thimbronion: ah yes. ethereum is the attack.
asciilifeform: this is sorta what punctuation is for, lol
whaack: thimbronion: ftr at first i parsed it the way asciilifeform did.
asciilifeform: ( on my home planet this sorta lol is known as 'казнить нельзя помиловать' )
thimbronion: whaack: I can see it.
whaack: asciilifeform: is there a loose translation? is it an expression for 'humor that arises from a confused antecedent'?
whaack: diana_coman: i go back to CR on Oct 19th
asciilifeform: whaack: 'execute cannot reprieve'
asciilifeform: 'execute cannot, reprieve' is valid , ru has flex word ordering
asciilifeform: 'execute, cannot reprieve' ditto
whaack: lols
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003894 - your criteria when choosing/searching though are flawed from what I read on your old blog (eg "crypto twitter personality", HackerNews) and as a result "searching for idiots" ;
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 14:22:47 thimbronion: diana_coman: I am not intentionally searching for idiots. Most of my friends turned out to be idiots. I'm not sure where besides here and #trilema I could talk to non-idiots. The best I've been able to do is read #trilema and Trilema, after having fucked up my gpg key.
diana_coman: and while you might have been following here (I don't doubt it), hoping for recognition out of nowhere is not a good approach at all.
diana_coman: thimbronion: even here, why did I have to go and explicitly tap you on a shoulder anyway? why didn't you say something on your own, just like you said to that guy whose seminar you went to (presumably you found him and went to him on your own)
diana_coman: this is why I say that you seem to make much more of an effort for the idiots than for the few non-idiots that you find.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: iirc english has that "come eat grandma" (come eat, grandma vs come, eat grandma)
thimbronion: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003915 << I was aware of the younghands club, but hadn't read up on it in great detail. I'm not sure why I didn't join earlier. I want to say because of the name. I didn't consider myself all that young. And holy cow yes. I burned a good 9 months on Twitter idiocy. I have followed it because I occasionally get insights there, though recently less
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 15:23:08 diana_coman: thimbronion: even here, why did I have to go and explicitly tap you on a shoulder anyway? why didn't you say something on your own, just like you said to that guy whose seminar you went to (presumably you found him and went to him on your own)
thimbronion: and less.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i was taught a supposed equivalent in eng, 'the hookers lenin stalin and hitler went into a bar'
asciilifeform: diana_coman: but yours also worx
diana_coman: asciilifeform: clearly your kindergarten was more adult than mine, lol
asciilifeform: diana_coman: the interesting thing is that they dun seem to teach either variant, or for that matter why the fuck punctuation exists, to schoolchildren in usa
asciilifeform: so they grow up thinking of it as decorative, like 'emoji'
diana_coman: thimbronion: don't consider without asking; not only here but in general: *ask*; you have nothing to lose for a question and everything to lose for not asking it.
diana_coman: asciilifeform: yes; they don't seem to teach how to read something either; remember nicoleci's summaries? the woman can clearly think but oh boy; and I almost dread I'll find the same with thimbronion (hopefully not but...)
thimbronion: diana_coman: I will be more aware of when I'm missing opportunities to ask.
diana_coman: thimbronion: on the bright side, you spoke up timely when struggling with the work/deadline so there is hope!
thimbronion: diana_coman: I am aware of the necessity of asking *before* missing deadlines.
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003906 - ok; I'll take this as proper starting date here ie your first week-plan will be for the week 21-27 October
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 15:13:12 whaack: diana_coman: i go back to CR on Oct 19th
diana_coman: thimbronion: for that matter, since you know python, you are hardened working with the full web-shitstack and you've been following around for quite a while - doesn't the take over irc fief appeal to you?
thimbronion: diana_coman: I will read and consider (and ask!) what this would entail. Also would this be in addition to the Chinese thing or in place of it?
diana_coman: thimbronion: as a springboard to the chinese thing, really; re China, in principle there is big scope there though possibly not the sort that you imagine
diana_coman: because "chinese news" as such a la herpy-derpy local-twitter personalities is at best smoke in the wind
diana_coman: thimbronion: re what would this entail- the idea is here: multiple networks
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 05:39:18 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha chrises over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?
diana_coman: whaack: maybe get a cloak from freenode
diana_coman: asciilifeform: it's not synced well in #o : http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003938 vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003938
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 16:29:20 ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-19 05:39:18 mircea_popescu: speaking of which, an' considering we're apparently stuck with a buncha chrises over here : any of your resident knights capable of registering a chan on ~any other network~ and writing the bridge code on top of extant bot already ?
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 16:59:35 diana_coman: whaack: maybe get a cloak from freenode
asciilifeform: hmm lessee
whaack: diana_coman: done re cloak. okay, I am also willing to start the 14th, I don't see a reason to wait until i'm in CR to start, unless you want the weekly plans to be specific TMSR work, because the week of the 14th imo should be prepping for my CR trip (making sure i bring all necessary tools, etc)
diana_coman: whaack: works that way too, sure.
thimbronion: diana_coman so the idea is to a) stand up a republican ircd, b) stand up a bot that serves as a proxy between the republican ircd and [insert existing network here excluding freenode]?
diana_coman: thimbronion: ideally the full idea runs like this: add a server to another network, run there republican ircd and then gradually extend to all networks, bridging as you add more networks so that users connected to one network appear connected to all networks
thimbronion: diana_coman: Ok. I'm willing to take this on.
diana_coman: thimbronion: it's an opening and if you do it properly you basically have your way to the top right there; after which, you *can* have something to say re/from china too, for that matter;
diana_coman: thimbronion: note also that you really do need to get your head around the WoT among other basics because otherwise you'll trip over them quite badly
thimbronion: diana_coman: noted.
diana_coman: at any rate, if you want to work on this, make your plan and ask if you need whatever sort of help with it
thimbronion: diana_coman: I will make a plan. At the moment I need to get some consulting work done.
diana_coman: thimbronion: ok.
shrysr: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-09-25#1003827 << yea. Making your own path is appealing to me... Was reflecting that in a way, i have been doing so.. only taking in what i could discern/clarify as sensible and using them as jumpstarts into concepts and then jumping from course to course or even book to book. That path was not totally 'unplanned' but definitely not... well planned either. The
ossabot: Logged on 2019-09-25 03:09:17 diana_coman: shrysr: if you can indeed spot all that it being bought for what it actually is, then yes, it works; but then, if you can actually do that, you can equally well just explore the domain and make your own learning path, so why bother filtering the filth?
shrysr: courses were seen more of a short cut to becoming 'job ready ASAP' i guess, and also connecting with some instructors as mentors. lol. There are probably very few ppl who take the time to respond outside such circles. I've often received responses after weeks/months.
diana_coman: shrysr: fwiw in general you seem to actively *prefer* to make your own path; but then all of a sudden you have second thoughts or get cold feet or dunno what and you seem to turn around entirely looking to follow.
shrysr: idk for sure. i guess... at some point i lose faith. It appears I encounter examples every day of so many ppl just .....happy --- or *not* ... struggling with meaning or wanting to do something worthwhile. Do the 9-5... go home and watch TV or something.
asciilifeform: shrysr: the term of art for this is 'go to the bottle'
asciilifeform: ( granted , not erryone drinks ; but ~erryone has some ~equivalent~ ready to fall into if he falls down )
shrysr: lol
diana_coman: shrysr: yes, many are happy to just exist, similar to other plants around, sure.
diana_coman: some are straight happy like that, some find it via derealisation
diana_coman: but none of those are individuals essentially, no matter how you look at it.
diana_coman: and because you are not one of those plants, if you beat yourself up to become one, you'll go as asciilifeform says - to the bottle/weed/similar
shrysr: yes. fwiw i had my $substance for a long time, but *most* of the time.. I worked, or thought abt work. I took it primarily to ... just think and work with freedom. After Uni ~2011 and entering work, I've been at it completely alone. But plants or not, their happiness makes me often doubt whether i'm just.... wrong.
diana_coman: shrysr: you wouldn't be happy with their "happy"; if ever in doubt, look a bit closer at *all* they "have", not just the "they seem happy" and you'll find in short order stuff you wouldn't put up with
diana_coman: and note also that there is often a huge difference between what they claim and what it really is
diana_coman: shrysr: and you know, for that matter, how does it work "plants or not"; what, next you'll be "wrong" for not doing photosynthesis?
shrysr: diana_coman: lol not like that. i was trying to explain what i thought/observed. apologies - have to bbl.
diana_coman: I got what you were trying to explain, lol; the point above is that your conclusion can't stand because the comparison is broken to start with; anyways, laters.
lobbes: re: "happy" with just settling for derealisation, I still get those pangs of doubt too shrysr, and lose faith from time to time. After dismissing my last girl especially, I often think "hey, maybe I'm not smart enough after all, maybe I should have just settled for what I had, etc. I was very happy at times."
lobbes: but then, as usual, there's a very good MP quote that perfectly sums up *why* I made the choice I did in the first place
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-17 18:17:42 mircea_popescu: the problem with being on heroin is that you never really escape the inkling of actual reality.
lobbes: in other words, no matter how "happy" I was there was always something "missing", and this gnawed at me day after day. I'd rather be the best me I can be, as diana_coman says, rather than just waste away

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