mircea_popescu: the flow of history doth in fact inform and ground the view, however. "what happened to phf ?!" is not so important about the one tard ; but rather, instructive as to the failure mode of a sort of mind.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Tried to de-Clintonize too soon. The losers have to hate.
mircea_popescu: i should prolly have a better link, there's somewhere in the logs where we discuss this mystery, of why and wherefore soviet thinking man simply laid over and gave up in the 80s.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-12-01 15:45:29 mircea_popescu: the "consummer affair" is the gringo's exact version of the "thinking man gave up", coming 2 decades later. (ie, next generation of ustards copied prev generation of soviets. like they always do, btw)
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936920 << the problenm with this retelling is that it describes the production of the corpse from the pov of gut bacteria. superficially this may even stand, but it's uncausative imo. i'm still not clear why exactly su intellectually imploded
BingoBoingo: She was the innerest of inner circles
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 14:44:51 mircea_popescu: anyway, to make the point for the 9`000th time in the general, because unlike the previous 8`999th times prior, each exactly proven correct and each exactly disavowed the very next morning, THERE IS NOTHING CONTROLLED ABOUT INCA WORLD.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 14:54:41 BingoBoingo: Anyways, the state of the US left is such that the ONE anti-war candidate did not make the latest round of primary debates. Tusli Gabbard: veteran, active reservist, and woman of color can't consistently poll over 2% enough to get on stage
mircea_popescu: same thing with being in the pantsuit, cry yourserlf to sleep as you will each night, the perception of mp grinning's still always there
mircea_popescu: the problem with being on heroin is that you never really escape the inkling of actual reality.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> we fucked her in all the holes last time, leaving her a broken heap. and she was already fucking old. << How could the derealized know?
mircea_popescu: we fucked her in all the holes last time, leaving her a broken heap. and she was already fucking old.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:57:22 BingoBoingo: And so they gotta purge the accesory organs first. Just *maybe* that way they can save their Cintonium core.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936913 << the amusing part being that core's not objectively worth saving.
mircea_popescu: not that THAT moron didn't hold the same laughable handshake "beliefs".
asciilifeform: possib also other
mircea_popescu: i thought was some other
BingoBoingo: That the DNC is dead doesn't mean surviving hangers on won't try to put on a show
mircea_popescu can't be arsed to find the line, but w/e, was a one day wonder, "knows shit" in his own opinion retard.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's two folks running against trump in the Coke primary, none have gravity
asciilifeform: iirc there was talk of ~rnc~ running sumbody against trump
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Ghostships eventually touch land one final time. Whether the land is seafloor or shore depends
mircea_popescu: they'll just sit and whine at unfairness of elections in general, "why should there be candidates"
mircea_popescu: looking at the matter from an in-universe fiction perspective, how the fuck's the collection of nobodies gonna enact identity ? they can't get behind any of themselves, they're all scum without exception as paradigmatic criteria.
BingoBoingo: In other intra-left dialectics: "Maduro: "Cualquiera que diga que Venezuela es dictadura es un estúpido, incluido Mujica""
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo, i can't conceive how the pantsuit will manage to get a candidate. for one thing, trump did in fact end the dnc, as discussed in the logs.
mircea_popescu: it's also a red herring : it's generally the orphans that rule. at the very least since modern era, because fathers suck balls.
BingoBoingo: Anyways, the state of the US left is such that the ONE anti-war candidate did not make the latest round of primary debates. Tusli Gabbard: veteran, active reservist, and woman of color can't consistently poll over 2% enough to get on stage
mircea_popescu: in general, the "sons of the gulag" will rule rather than the "sons of red guard" because both oppression and posterity are generally the lot of the more numerous.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, that is a similarity without substance, much like saying "dentist and opera writer similar, they ask others to vocalize"
BingoBoingo: As the boomers used to say "Don't trust anyone over 30" is how they keep the purges rolling
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936902 << none. there's, as BingoBoingo well points out, nothing left to crown over.
asciilifeform: similar in the 'look at us, we're the countercultural vaguard, overthrowing old farts!111' crapola.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:39:40 asciilifeform: cattle stampeding (all the way into meat plant conveyor) aint 'cattle running the farm', the farm is still a farm and farmer is still the farmer, and meat still grown for market.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936897 << nothing like this has happened to the zone since at latest vietnam war time.
mircea_popescu: well, conceivable we search better once we get the historical bundle, afaik this is prior to your logs ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-06-02 06:48:29 a111: Logged on 2015-04-29 16:24 mod6: asciilifeform: I'm just trying to put together the monthy address; In one to three sentences cna you help me summarize what is going on with glibc/libnss?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re glibc -- iirc subj of inquiry was re the 'nss' thing, which i found to be the sublib that drags in dynamicism, dns, etc
mircea_popescu: the sun's not a controlled burn, but natural phenomena ; and the fermentation of the dregs of humanity, the dumbest women, the cuckest dorks, the socialists and morons and agglomerated stupidity -- exactly same.
mircea_popescu: the one important property of the failure of mankind is its complete and utter incapacity for any controlling of anythin whatsoever, internal or external.
mircea_popescu: anyway, to make the point for the 9`000th time in the general, because unlike the previous 8`999th times prior, each exactly proven correct and each exactly disavowed the very next morning, THERE IS NOTHING CONTROLLED ABOUT INCA WORLD.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-01-16 14:33:06 asciilifeform: one of the reasons i still, despite everything, have > 0 respect for rms, is that of all of these figures, he never had 'about-face' moment.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'great' in the andropov sense.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: The missiles themselves may be incremental improvement, but the major point is anti-stealth radar picket it plugs into.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:38:31 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936895 << the four foregoing lines are amusing, because 100% of your emissions re comings and goings of great inca are predictable, always downstream on the basis of "great inca is great".
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that was the moment asciilifeform realized rms is 100% fungus by weight, and 0 left to salvage
BingoBoingo: I don't see Putin's shift in US-relations as coming too late. US was very committed to blowing its Cold War winnings in Iraq. WTF was Russia to do other than work on the S-400 anti-"Shock and Awe" system and let the US burn treasure on everything else.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:33:41 asciilifeform: for so long as there's a gaggle of idjits who see him having 'auctoritas', his formaldehyde-pickled hide is worth sumthing.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936888 << yes, but post his republican dismissal, there's nothing left in that hide.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: he'll be toilet attendant for'em. iirc beyond certain level of fat they actually need 2nd pair of hands to clean arse.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936887 << keks, where ? they long ago gave out every possible square ft to fat black women.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 13:26:32 BingoBoingo: And they, the cucky cocklets will probably just ignore this case, which should enter the canon, of why males can't survive the decision to align themselves with a "leftist" movement. If they live long enough their ideological spawn will eat them.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936884 << it's ok, they'll write some mealy mouthed comment in my general direction in some other channel about how they didn't this or that and all will be well.
asciilifeform: loyal quisling flavoured with 'disobedience' for decades, then suddenly 'moment of clarity' when toolate.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And Clinton sold Uranium to Russia. People trade in the metals all the time.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: bonus funny re subj -- putin continued selling sovok's plutonium stockpile to washingtonistan all the way to '13 ! ( then -- when stopped in '14 -- got the 'ukrs' fiesta )
mircea_popescu: whole rms thing and what i suppose is here the continuation.
BingoBoingo: Well, the KGB eventually did get Putin to do a sorta Make Russia Great Again
asciilifeform: sorta like the termite house , pylons long ago hollow, finally collapsing into pile o'rubble.
asciilifeform: the poisoners -- 'drew quicker'. removed his chosen successor and his wot ; and proceeded to start sawing apart the house and sell to foreigners, feather miami nests.
asciilifeform: $process of course did not start with andropov. but with the derps who poisoned stalin, who was , near as i can tell, gettin' ready to purge the 'party elite' an' replace it w/ the young, vigorous folx who did loyal wetwork for him earlier.
asciilifeform: kgb -- for n00bs -- was ~100% staffed with folx who pissed on whatever oaths, principles, and wanted to proceed asap with converting their keys-to-the-shop into hereditary 'property right' .
asciilifeform: ( kgb -- won ; andropov -- crowned; purged the 'principled' folx, proceeded to do all he could to blow up the pylons on which stood sovok, but croaked promptly, adopted prince gorby was left to ineptly finish up the job )
asciilifeform: episode, at least from my perch, is reminiscent of the undeclared 'civil war' in early '80s sovok b/w kgb and mvd .
asciilifeform: internal usg turf war. google-crapple-et-al miffed that some trickle from printing press still went to the 90yo's at mit 'ai lab' .
BingoBoingo: And so they gotta purge the accesory organs first. Just *maybe* that way they can save their Cintonium core.
BingoBoingo: It's also possible they don't manage to replace. FSF/OpenSource oppress poor artisan app studios, etc
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: re 'cohesive' -- no moar or less than ameritards. simply in orcistans there does not exist the custom of pseudo-'plurality' that the (formerly) rich 'west' was able (until recently) to afford.
asciilifeform: 'replaced with other-abled oppressed poor black female with hiv dancing macarena in a wheelchair'(tm)(r)(uncle al schwartz)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Mandarin allowed honoring Mao-think as a sort of A/B test, and allowed the revision to be popularly embraced. Something about Mandarin lets the Chinese be cohesive on just about anything. It's weird, alien, and seems rather far removed from what is in the Anglo language toolbox.
asciilifeform: exactly as happened in sovok, the leninists had 0 lasting dynastic succession, ~100% garbagecollected by stalin & co.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this so, but observe that present-day china is run 100% by (sons of) folx who sat in gulag during 'cultural rev'. and not of the 'red guards'.
BingoBoingo: Bulls still cripple the occasional farmer who turns their back. Grain lifting augers maim quite a few farmers. The fallout from Gawker et al. is that there isn't really much farming going on at the left farm.
asciilifeform: cattle stampeding (all the way into meat plant conveyor) aint 'cattle running the farm', the farm is still a farm and farmer is still the farmer, and meat still grown for market.
BingoBoingo: I suspect English doesn't allow "controlled burns" in the way Mandarin does
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: exactly like the chinese cultural rev. (which shut off like a lamp when mao flicked switch) this one is a 'controlled burn'.
asciilifeform: the cucklets are extras in this movie.
BingoBoingo: The kids and cucklets will say he instead confessed.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: This has been done plenty of times before. The kids cry about Microsoft hiring a pedophile enabler, Microsoft kicks Stallman out to the street again. For all the dancing and noise Stallman maybe gets 18-36 hours of cot in the hallway.
asciilifeform: for so long as there's a gaggle of idjits who see him having 'auctoritas', his formaldehyde-pickled hide is worth sumthing.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Where's he going to find a hallway. The kids controlling Stallmanable hallways have decided he needs to die, and he doesn't seem to have anything to offer anyone who employs in the saltmines.
BingoBoingo: And they, the cucky cocklets will probably just ignore this case, which should enter the canon, of why males can't survive the decision to align themselves with a "leftist" movement. If they live long enough their ideological spawn will eat them.
asciilifeform: as i understand, the 'modern current' (i.e. 'ifuckinglovescience'(tm)(r) zombie worship) existed even in 'the day of plato' -- the pythagoreans & co
asciilifeform: cks in exactly same way, and neither maffs, nor physics, nor even programming, are happening in their hands, but instead elaborate waste of time.
asciilifeform: this particular 'africa' tho is prion-contagious. the software derps decided that 'it's still a valid program' when imports GB of autoconfolade and 'appears to work'. the maffs people decided 'it's still a proof' when imports a GB of softwareliquishit and fits in 0 heads. the physics folx , that 'it's still physics' if used an irreproducible machine built by great inca. whereas per asciilifeform all of these people are pulling own co
mircea_popescu: here, and nowhere else, it may indeed be possible the wage of unsin is undeath.
mircea_popescu: anyways -- re miners : the great (really, only) advantage of working with the mind is that the coal dust and the wage are made of the same exact substance
asciilifeform: well if formulate it as a 'jeszcze polska ne zginela / kiedy my zyjemy' , then sure, 'maffs is alive'. in 5-6 heads. not a very big place.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, i don't count the ustards as part of culture. saying "math died because mamie in chicago" is entirely like saying "medicien died because mamie in zimbabwe"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform, well, not deceased afaik, but kinda retired at about the same time. i did my thesis with him.
asciilifeform: ( asciilifeform counts the maffs komyooniti's swallowing of the autogenned 3colour proof as 'moment of death', but strictly for convenience, entirely possible that died earlier )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 04:06:25 mircea_popescu: it's conceivableone day might. math very much did manage, but only as of 1905 or thereabouts! at that point it had been around for twenty five to thrity centuries!
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936836 << the maffs people in fact achieved the second feat, of sliding in the ~other~ direction.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 04:05:33 mircea_popescu: besides nonsense dust there;s also joy dust ; they could in principle balance out ; literature as a body of work (though mostly in french, somewhat in latin, defo not in english besides a few hundred pages) achieved that ; "computer programming" never did.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936835 << they could. but they don't. exactly like a coal miner's wage doesn't cancel the black lung.
mircea_popescu: come to think of it, the full ten years ago is actually fifteen. whoa time passes.
mircea_popescu: and this was an old blind woman. but apparently it's not the age and it's not the anything else in that vein.
mircea_popescu: schmuck was gonna protect her from me. at the time you could not find a gun in ten counties surroundant who hadn't been on my payroll at some point or another, but he was gonna "protect", with his soccer watching crew an' leased toyota.
mircea_popescu: ight there, growing all shades of purple-pale & stacojiu, thrown from disbelief to rage an' dipped in all possible torment.
mircea_popescu: full ten years ago, at a wedding, where i was the godfather and took chet to be godmother, the ~other pair~ of godparents (romanians do this groom / bride big/small wedding godparents thing) were these average middle class 30something couple. and the dude finally got sufficiently drunk at the party so as to propose to her! assuring her of his protection and etcetera! in a slurred drunk nonsense, and with his fucking wife r
mircea_popescu: perhaps they found a golden cunt lying in the dirt, they might you know, take it home ? this can happen, no ? or if it can't happen then what were all the stories about ?!
mircea_popescu: and before that, on the trip over to castle, girly kneeling in the dirt by the side of the car in some rural parking lot attracted a... garbage truck! full of garbage men! who parked across and solicitously came over to inquire... whether she "ne
mircea_popescu: most recently yesterday : slut kicked out of car over specific failure, wept all the way home. lorry full of workers'd have cut her a deal just as we picked her up on the home stretch because well... she looks like the best hooker in town.
mircea_popescu: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/in-which-orphan-eric-learns-the-value-of-negotiable-instruments-and-saving-in-capital-goods/#footnote_7_81 << this is particularly funny, because almost every time slut gets publicly punished, helpful bystander inquires about a possible acquisit
mircea_popescu: i vaguely recall we did have some ad-hoc interdict specced five years ago, is that it ? what's the situation re namesimilarity at registration ?
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 20:36:48 hanbot: actually nah, that's hanbot-abroad. i'm trying to register hanbot_abroad, possibly deedbot doesn't like the similarity.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 00:29:18 trinque: so yeah, it's not going to let you make another.
mircea_popescu: this may seem like a lengthy stretch, but in fact it quite is : linnaeus' own species only speciated about 3-400`000 years ago, the commitment contemplated here's five times what it took to have homo sapiens.
mircea_popescu: if indeed the relation's extensible, then from the fact that literature was born balanced and math balanced in say 2500 years, we can reasonably expect computerism to also balance in 6`250`000 or thereabouts, meaning more or less year 6`250`950.
mircea_popescu: it's conceivableone day might. math very much did manage, but only as of 1905 or thereabouts! at that point it had been around for twenty five to thrity centuries!
mircea_popescu: besides nonsense dust there;s also joy dust ; they could in principle balance out ; literature as a body of work (though mostly in french, somewhat in latin, defo not in english besides a few hundred pages) achieved that ; "computer programming" never did.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-17 00:07:56 asciilifeform: trinque: hypothetically might be interesting to see what programming greybeards are like on planet where can eat 9000 loc w/out breathing in nonsense dust. but i haven't been to that planet.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-17#1936825 << there's a neglected effect here.
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/in-which-orphan-eric-learns-the-value-of-negotiable-instruments-and-saving-in-capital-goods/ << lobbesblog -- In which Orphan Eric learns the value of negotiable instruments and saving in capital goods
trinque: so yeah, it's not going to let you make another.
asciilifeform: trinque: hypothetically might be interesting to see what programming greybeards are like on planet where can eat 9000 loc w/out breathing in nonsense dust. but i haven't been to that planet.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 06:51:35 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936626 << heh. i guess the only practicable way to rent in the us is actually like lobbes stumbled upon : pick up chicks, don't put them on the lease, work them for the keep and dismiss when done.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-02-07 14:22:35 asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a greybeard once told asciilifeform , 'you dun know it, but you got finite # loc in you, once you've written them will stand the machine no moar and have to move to forest and eat bark'. i'm not even convinced that it was joke.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:15:54 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936596 << i imagine the ~perceived~ pressure on nameless womanhood is quite immense, "omfg, what do i say, what if they make fun of me, they're gonna say i never installed linux from scratch as if it implied i'm half a dead man riding about on half a dead rabbit!!!"
trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936641 << after the gentoo bottling experience I barely wanted anything to do with computers, so by now it'd be a selector for sense to have not.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:10:54 mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://trilema.com/2019/concedo-hoc/#comment-131427 : i'm pretty sure i read trinque referring to the laughable playdates of the menalone as "wankastery" / "wankasteries", as a transparent adjustment of monastery to more truthfully reflect its real function
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 20:24:51 hanbot: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
hanbot: actually nah, that's hanbot-abroad. i'm trying to register hanbot_abroad, possibly deedbot doesn't like the similarity.
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-check-out-my-new-acura-ads-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Check Out My New Acura -- ads? Adnotated.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: lemme know how you want the db on dulap corrected ( 'drop where chan='ossasepia'... & import ? then plox to deedbot a replacement dump of #o )
lobbes: I guess what I'm asking is should we bother patching for all permutations of possible formats, or just stick with diana_coman's original and state what it expects. To my limited eye I'd say the latter is the saner approach
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-10 23:54:10 lobbes: will probably ammend the READMEs of all converters once this testing phase is over. For better clarity on expected irssi/znc log formats
lobbes: still is value in having the initial vpatch, I think. Though there is the point that conversion never ends
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936774 << fwiw, during my testing of the irssi converter I noticed my irssi had very different formatting than the example you provided (It padded the < nicks > for e.g., and formatted the timestamps slightly different). Seems to be format variability between instances indeed
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> an; that australian fuckwit stockbroker who was defrauding dudes online and was then VERY SURPRISED when i had him fired / banned from trading wtf his name was << Harnett and you did that in 2012
BingoBoingo: Found one: http://trilema.com/2013/what-the-drug-trade-is-how-the-drug-trade-works-and-why-silk-road-didnt-work-and-didnt-matter/#footnote_6_49796
mircea_popescu: an; that australian fuckwit stockbroker who was defrauding dudes online and was then VERY SURPRISED when i had him fired / banned from trading wtf his name was
mircea_popescu: oh, was the early dorkitude. http://trilema.com/2012/bitcoin-lolcows-the-musical-today-kludge/ &co
lobbes recalls comic but not the specific trilema
mircea_popescu: anyone remember this ancient cartoon on trilema, from the early days of "bitcoin bankers", of the substance of some dude holding up some pencildick at an atm, and the pencildick ranting all the while about interest rates and loans /
diana_coman: in the process I updated the awk importer too but I don't even know if it's any use given that I'm not 100% sure what is "irssi standard format" really
diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936741 - fixed and dump manually updated; it turned out the mess-up was caused by a mix-up of local log formats (ie ran like an idiot the awk script on the not-matching format; basically I have too many logs all around)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik he was the 1 sovok fuhrer who managed to have a bit of fun in civilian life.
asciilifeform perhaps odd, but associates stockings like this with dour 17th c d00dz like old man gottfried leibniz , rather than chix
mircea_popescu: sucks being these tryina-be wanna-be sadpeople.
mircea_popescu: actually the shit supposed pimps put up with is mindboggling, compare and contrast with http://trilema.com/2019/get-lost-dumbo/
mircea_popescu: who's gonna miss a slightly geographically misplaced clone of ukraina, and why would they !?
mircea_popescu: whole country could just be deported to the lime pits tomorrow to no conceivable detriment.
mircea_popescu: other than this... what ?
mircea_popescu: "intel angajeaza" the 1-2% or so of recyclable bois, and otherwise babyolon angajeaza the 4-6% of fuckable girlies.
diana_coman: it's one of those things where I can't figure out if they each "thought" the same nonsensical way to end up with the same shit or they just copied it
mircea_popescu: truth be told, besides the wholesale trade in meats, there's ~o utility remaining to the rotards.
mircea_popescu: AND, amusingly, "generous in ALL SENSES OF THE WORD!!!"
mircea_popescu: dude's looking to start a castle of an ad-hoc republic of his own, in ~600 sq ft in the ghetto that's romania.
diana_coman: yes; I was reading #o logs from some time back and noticed missing : ; checked in the db and they were missing there too although present in local irssi log.
diana_coman: maybe it's the converter's problem actually, I'll have to investigate it.
diana_coman: asciilifeform, lobbes ugh, logger actually strips ":" away from payload, did you notice this? as in: this makes to the db "as in this makes it to the db"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:30:18 mircea_popescu: no wonder zeks end up crushed under dependopopotami in their private relations -- at least it's consequent, the bitch at home behaves exactly like the home itself, spend decade to get 0.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936654 << afaik it was the ameritards who even invented 'rent to own' scam to start with. i.e. where you 'buy' and get all the ~unwanted~ aspects of ownership (gotta do 100% of maintenance; if it wears down, replace at own expense -- there are people paying for 3 cars who have to walk, all over usa) but 0 of the desirable (i.e. ~actually~ owning, ability to sell)
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-16 09:13:02 mircea_popescu: there's more, and besideswhich a lot more to all of these foregoing parts, but holy hell... seriously, nobody ever thinks of things or what is the problem here !?
asciilifeform: diana_coman: there isn't currently any such thing. ( what asciilifeform was orig. wanting to make, was a 'calendar page' thing. but not attempted yet. )
diana_coman: asciilifeform: is there a link to "first day of log" for a chan? I don't know if I just can't see it or there just isn't one.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:24:42 asciilifeform: the takehome moral from this, is that if someone expects to make serious profit by renting out residential sqmetrage in usa -- think again.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936628 << or rather, "that if you expect the king to send his men to make YOU a profit, think again". if you wanna turn a profit, you gotta do it ~OUTSIDE OF INCA~. hence i suppose all the "massage parlours" etc.
mircea_popescu: kinda how this worked throughout history, actually, and very much specifically because "have rights". hence the manor system.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:23:19 asciilifeform: ( and, moar staggeringly, 'clock' on this 'yr+' ~resets~ if the derp scrapes together some pennies and pays ~1 month~ )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936626 << heh. i guess the only practicable way to rent in the us is actually like lobbes stumbled upon : pick up chicks, don't put them on the lease, work them for the keep and dismiss when done.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:13:42 asciilifeform: ( and even that typical tenant nao does things like punch hole in wall w/ fist and then demand that landlord fix for phree )
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936617 << in fairness, that was not a wall in the first place. should be fixed anyways.
mircea_popescu: rape's a lot better for the young woman than socialism for society.
mircea_popescu: so that no hussy who utterly deserved it gets raped occasionally (ie, whenever someone can be arsed, which comes to way the fuck less frequently than she'd like), everyone gets raped all the time in all the holes. great fucking deal, what can i tell you. let them be raped in the workplace, they'll be ok.
mircea_popescu: same thing "hr policy" does : it prevents the formation of natural fucking hierarchy and independently functioning groups.
mircea_popescu: ustard can't ask his fucking wife how much she makes, and this isn't "so that the corporations pay less because employees can't compare notes"
mircea_popescu: every zek is shocked to see romanians will liberally ask about income, with no shits give, of people they just met. and "how much was this", and "what did you pay for that", and etcetera.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck sorta rattle gotta be going on in some dude's brain to ACTUALLY BELIEVE what the fucking bankers are telling them, when engaged in a negotiation for the very thing the bankers make their money from. what, you thought all the advertising exists as a private gift from aliens ?! it's there BECAUSE these idiots rely on breaking down social communication to insert their shit in the gaps, wtf.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:12:41 asciilifeform: i dunno whether to believe, but he said that even paying on schedule erry single month is unusual nowadays...
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936616 << "rising cost of rents" aka "we got so many of you retards ''''buying'''' in the sense of underwriting our downside so we can eat the upside undisturbed, we lost count".
snsabot: Logged on 2019-08-18 09:59:04 mp_en_viaje: i can almost hear the cageworthy old woman impelling the nonsense, too, "oh, why don't you want to do $random-stupid-shit, ~are you too scared?!?!?!?~".
mircea_popescu: you'd think that some dude everyone was butthurt about being worth a billion back when bitcoin crossed 1k the first "time could afford to own" ; but that's all a red herring, SPECIFICALLY the dumb old mula red herring. it's not a matter of affording, it's a matter of not wanting to.
mircea_popescu: which is even the incentive to own real estate as an old man : you get a wider aperture, to meet the better cut of youth. supposing you're too retarded to apply numerical methods, nevertheless, this is what you'll be doing with your time : sifting through the pile of worthless goop spit out by [http://trilema.com/2015/quantum-mechanics-today-a-machine-to-turn-penis-projectile-vibrati
mircea_popescu: the hierarchy of consume-more-than-produce young females is very strictly 1. girls who found themselves a sponsor, who fucks them and pays their rent ABOVE 2. morons living in state-run orphanage. the SAME EXACT thing applies to boys too, just because you pay your own rent doesn't change the disposition in the field, doesn't make up down and down up.
mircea_popescu: renting means you rent from some dude who owns, and you're better off with some dude who owns in your life than without. ESPECIALLY because you're an orphan. and you're paying, and paying on time, and doing other things (eg your very own quote, "maintain with own hands"), it is infinitely better for you to have than to not have.
mircea_popescu: not to mention the MOST important element, by far : as a young orphan (and if your dad dun have any duchies for you, you ARE an orphan, whether you admit it or not ; denial won't fix status) you WANT to get in the way of men-who-aren't-as-fucked-in-the-head-and-offensively-useless-and-retarded as that mongrel dog your drunk of a mother fucked to produce you.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:09:33 asciilifeform: lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-16 05:37:45 mircea_popescu: IF the problem is that the currency is shit (which is strictly what "rising rents" means : if rents are rising, THEREFORE the currency is shit. if urine is sweet, THEREFORE diabethes, no iffs or butts about it, these are NOT separable), then owning real estate is a very poor solution : real estate follows the currency secular trend
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-16#1936660 << this is why, eg, greenwhich village even fucking happened in the 50s : rents were SO LOW a bunch of niggers getting together for an evening could sing themselves into the month's rent. it was CHEAPER to live there than in whatever alabama that spawned them. because back then the currency was strong, because etc.
mircea_popescu: there's more, and besideswhich a lot more to all of these foregoing parts, but holy hell... seriously, nobody ever thinks of things or what is the problem here !?
mircea_popescu: you will be interested, of course, BUT FIVE DECADES HENCE. when you're old. then the sort of non-negotiable commitment makes sense. not in your fucking 20s, so spare me with all the "jobs" you can not sell (yes, this is what "working remote" IS, SELLING IT!!!), all the "college degrees" worth 0 on auction, and all the etcetera.
mircea_popescu: if whatever the fuck it is "you have" can't be ~sold~, on the ~open market~, YOU ARE NOT INTERESTED IN IT.
mircea_popescu: as a young orphan with potential, you keep to negotiable instruments. that's why the young men of florence who did get to be old men and successful enough as to buy up all the young cunts for gold to all the failures' despair went into trade rather than bureaucracy!
mircea_popescu: things flow the other way, your aging dad gives you the duchy of cornwall for you to hold on to for him, what the fuck is this ? and if dad ~dun have~ a duchy of cornwall large enough to keep you occupied, ~you leave~. and you spit on his head, too, because HE FAILED in life. because this was his fucking job : by the time the sons he made were old enough to do something useful with histime, he was supposed to have so much
mircea_popescu: buying "a house" from "the bank" is THE EXACT EQUIVALENT of giving your savings to your dad "to hold on to them for you". what the fuck, are you twelve ?
mircea_popescu: if you're a young man, YOU DO NOT BUY ILLIQUID, NON-NEGOTIABLE ANYTHING!!!! i don't mean, with money. i mean with anything. you have enough sense to keep your sexual relationships at will rather than get fucking married, fine, but the same applies throughout.
snsabot: Logged on 2018-11-25 13:50:17 a111: Logged on 2014-09-10 15:02 mircea_popescu: well yeah. was a bunch o people, they got building permit and proceeded to built like at home. concrete pillars, brick walls etc.
mircea_popescu: either you buy made to order like my serb friends, or else you buy leftover brownstone nobody else wants, etcetera. what the fuck, this is novel to someone ?! why, because "do we still have to" read 1700s state of the art textbooks on personal conduct ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, are you retarded ? if people who you don't know are making things for you, the name for the thing they're making is A TRAP
mircea_popescu: if you're not a fucking pimp, you don't buy real estate in your 20s. and if you are a pimp, you buy in fucking baltimore, you buy in the blighted downtown of detroit or philly or whatever the shit. NOT crap in suburbia ;
mircea_popescu: the only 20something who can reasonably buy real estate is... a pimp.
mircea_popescu: IF you are a young man, and are producing more than consuming (if not, please follow the recipe for gender re-assignment, you don't belong here), you should save ~in capital goods~ specifically ~of your trade~.
mircea_popescu: (which is why us banks LEND you houses : it's the other part of their international trade where they borrow hard currency.)
mircea_popescu: if however the currency flags, real estate forthwith moves into emergency monetization role, meaning you want to short it as part of a triple currency play.
mircea_popescu: IF the problem is that the currency is shit (which is strictly what "rising rents" means : if rents are rising, THEREFORE the currency is shit. if urine is sweet, THEREFORE diabethes, no iffs or butts about it, these are NOT separable), then owning real estate is a very poor solution : real estate follows the currency secular trend
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 21:06:04 lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936612 << you bought it ~as an inflation play~ ?! holy hell man, what the fuck's wrong with schooling there. inflation is the enemy of old men, what the fuck does a 20yo care, holy shit it's all backwards.
mircea_popescu: useless children spawned by useless women lodged in useless houses wherein a mancave fulla unusable paraphenalia of inutility are uselessly stored... what a fucking life. the only possible progression is towards tranquilizers, and on the basis of the cheapest being weed this theory'd indicate "a weed epidemic".
mircea_popescu: explains a lot, such as the "motorcycle" clubs consisting of fellows who buy motorcycle parts for an alleged motorcycle that has more in common with a tchotchke than an actual conveyance, IN THAT IT DOESN'T FUCKING MOVE
mircea_popescu: no wonder zeks end up crushed under dependopopotami in their private relations -- at least it's consequent, the bitch at home behaves exactly like the home itself, spend decade to get 0.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936611 << good thing he makes "a lot of money" then.
mircea_popescu: going from a fixed 53 bytes header to either 46 or more generally 34 seems a fabulous gain in any case.
mircea_popescu: who wants the time of day, let him go look.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936605 << actually since we're doing this, i'd like the whole thing reviewed, as follows :
mircea_popescu: then of course there's the hallucinatoria of the coy reflex, girl who's never taken a stroll nude down the busy street imagines it's gonna be the end of the world!!! much like the guy taking a stumble imagines everyone's watchin' an' judging, AS FUCKING IF they could unglue their eyes off the i[nca[pods long enough to notice their own fucking shoes are on fire.
mircea_popescu: (i dun even mean trinque specifically, the naive gent's a universal, anyone who never seriously thought about these things in these forms for these reasons five or ten years ago, meaning practically everyone.)
mircea_popescu: it's an ecology problem, very much of the cycle variety ; an' will have to be addressed, though in this particular case the corner naive gent's painted himself in is SO FAR OUT THERE, and there's SO MUCH GOD DAMNED PAINT surface, it'll take a while to unwind.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 20:24:51 hanbot: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936596 << i imagine the ~perceived~ pressure on nameless womanhood is quite immense, "omfg, what do i say, what if they make fun of me, they're gonna say i never installed linux from scratch as if it implied i'm half a dead man riding about on half a dead rabbit!!!"
mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936602 << okay, but what's the problem with it echoing "[trilema] <mircea_popescu> but i can't seem to find it ?!" rather than "<mircea_popescu> but i can't seem to find it ?!"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 20:49:08 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936575 << i can either switch off echo from cross-chan or put in marker , let mircea_popescu say which when he wakes up ( will make it a knob. )
mircea_popescu: and speaking of http://trilema.com/2019/concedo-hoc/#comment-131427 : i'm pretty sure i read trinque referring to the laughable playdates of the menalone as "wankastery" / "wankasteries", as a transparent adjustment of monastery to more truthfully reflect its real function
diana_coman: fwiw, I think the whole thread there belonged better in #o possibly starting with http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936342
diana_coman: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform a [#chan] marker from bot sounds good to me; in #o for now at least I'd rather it cross-echoes indeed but I can see also why this might not be appropriate for #t
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There's also the popular in 401k REITs that turn retirement savings dollars into real estate bubble dollars
asciilifeform: ( yet someone builds the blocks of flats . how they make profit ? very simply, tlp-style, i.e. by leasing to welfare mooches, these come w/ guaranteed subsidy from usg. )
asciilifeform: the takehome moral from this, is that if someone expects to make serious profit by renting out residential sqmetrage in usa -- think again.
asciilifeform: ( and, moar staggeringly, 'clock' on this 'yr+' ~resets~ if the derp scrapes together some pennies and pays ~1 month~ )
asciilifeform: lobbes: the 'organized' co.'s are 100% poison, avoid'em if at all possible in usa
asciilifeform: asciilifeform to current landlord (another ru d00d) : 'you can keep the weather station tower when i go, i won't need it where i'll go'
lobbes: which attracts the 'non human' rental corps. along with rising rents
lobbes: but I suspect you are correct re: human owners + geographics. Charlotte is a typical "bubble" city; low corp tax rates attract the banking industry, which fuels the need for meatworkers, but apparently NC doesn't produce skilled-enough workers on its own, so for the last few decades has been importing 'em (virtually all the people on my team are not from NC)
asciilifeform: him:'usually i have to redo the drywall when folx leave, but yours is perfect, how?' a: (holding tin of spackle behind back) 'by magic'
lobbes: oh yeah, my mom used to be a landlord back before I was born. Would tell horror stories of tenants writing curses in literal shit on the walls when she had to evict them for non-payment
asciilifeform: ( and even that typical tenant nao does things like punch hole in wall w/ fist and then demand that landlord fix for phree )
asciilifeform: i dunno whether to believe, but he said that even paying on schedule erry single month is unusual nowadays...
asciilifeform: lobbes: this may be a geographic thing, or simply asciilifeform's luck, but when renting 'from human' never 1nce experienced rising cost. they're extremely reluctant to raise it, because 'what happens if this d00d leaves and aint replaced until months later, or is replaced with a normal person who dun maintain w/ own hands' etc
lobbes: indeed, is a scam. I fell for the 'well, my mortgage will be a fixed cost vs rising rents' thinking, but neglected to factor in cost of maintenance, rising property taxes, whathaveyou
asciilifeform: iirc the way these typically work in usa, is that 'buyer' spends decade+ paying just the interest
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 18:43:07 mircea_popescu: but, traditionally, owning real estate is what separates the bourgeoisie from the mob/vagrancie.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936574 << iirc lobbes said that he had it on credit, rather than owned. (but can't find in log, so maybe i dreamed it)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 18:45:12 mircea_popescu: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936554 << holy shit this can't continue, if you folk are going to let the logreaders read from other channels (which, honestly, i'm considering banning) at least prepend an [channel name] before or something.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-15#1936575 << i can either switch off echo from cross-chan or put in marker , let mircea_popescu say which when he wakes up ( will make it a knob. )
feedbot: http://trilema.com/2019/thelastpsychiatristcom-charlie-sheen-has-an-awesome-experience-this-time-with-drugs-and-a-hooker-which-was-the-same-as-last-time-adnotated/ << Trilema -- thelastpsychiatrist.com - Charlie Sheen Has An Awesome Experience, This Time With Drugs and A Hooker, Which Was The Same As Last Time. Adnotated.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-14 19:46:49 trinque: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936066 << I trolled the shit out of girl earlier, "babe, we're moving to Portland" and "What the fuck?! I'm not living in blue-haired hell!" panicpanicpanic before I started cackling. I think I'll be ok.
hanbot: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-14#1936285 << more's the point is that your "household" consists of a WoT non-entity (afaik, actually. is it?) that may or may not be just as clueless about saying something here if you get a touch of The Butt. aesthetipolitical bents, righteous as they may be, pale by comparison.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-15 14:19:48 lobbes: In other words, this is step II ain't it? The *fact* is that I'm poor, so I may as well accept that and stop pretending otherwise, yes? I.e. No palpable difference between 90K WFF per month and 30K WFF per month; they are both the same level of poverty
lobbes will also cease quoting from other chans into #t