snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 12:48:20 asciilifeform: ( and pertinently, contrary to popular delusion, usa's 'contract soldier' is psychologically still same conscript, us army is fulla folx who joined e.g. to get their teeth fixed, or simply to find any work at all, aint no work to be had in their native oklahomistan outside of meth labs )
BingoBoingo: Like the dispute Petrobras left over no involving pay, but management's ability to fire derps derping with loaded rifle in the workplace
asciilifeform: entirely possib. osman empire was in full bore 'apres moi le deluge' mode , then
mp_en_viaje: (the kardashian-like armenian is relatively recent phenomenon, much like the orc egyptians)
mp_en_viaje: yes, but in the period this ended up == armenian.
mp_en_viaje: anyway. it's a theory.
mp_en_viaje: so they burned it all down.
mp_en_viaje: enough of this "thirteen generations ago lived the prettiest aysha, but now an even hotter one was born"
mp_en_viaje: much like demented shepherd might one day decide to EAT the herd, so that he's the last in the line to have eaten mutton. "fuck all the rest of ya"
mp_en_viaje: i have nfi re that either, but it seems to me the driver there was this : some guys (not ONLY turks, various arabs) decided that the only way to one-up history is to END the supply of armenian harem slavegirls.
mp_en_viaje: yes. but historically the folks running the ovens don;t tend to be the brightest. compare with the rwandan genocide actual ambulatory butchers, aslo beleived all sorta beleifs.
BingoBoingo: Insular group fucking over members of the outgroup tends to draw aggro and ovens if done indiscriminately
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: the folx runnin' the ovens, if their depositions are to be believed, believed, tho.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 11:35:35 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939138 << the key to the puzzler aint much of a seekrit. goebbels put it in plain text. j00z were picked as 'instigators of the war' and meat grinder ramped up in direct proportion to the obviousness of germany starting to lose. the chronology fits.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939222 << yes, well, you'll pardon me if i do not necessarily believe the man.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:32:13 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'barrett' . (btw moar hits for ~this~ barrett than for the other barrett in ~all searchtrons, lol)
mp_en_viaje: i recall there were excellent reasons they didn;t do that, but i don;t now recall what.
mp_en_viaje: and for THOSE people the solution is dufflebagfull of handguns, pick and choose.
asciilifeform: the americans iirc also had problems in making it go straight.
mp_en_viaje: anyway. short of outright maniacs a la http://trilema.com/2015/strategy-for-the-antisocial-struggle/ there's no known uses for "empty magazines through DE"
snsabot: Logged on 2016-07-17 14:05:28 asciilifeform: for the record, the only direction with real promise in small arms field is 'gyrojet', where the rifled and tempered barrel is unnecessary, given a self-rotating projectile, small and quite easily-made rocket
mp_en_viaje: nah. the french had them too, kept trying to use them. they're fucking ridiculous, can CATCH the damn "rocket" in hand / parasol before it gets far enough to accelerate enough.
mp_en_viaje: you never use that thing like the "critics" use it. yes, sure, it fouls lots at the range.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: cant resist to ask : when you shot the 'eagle', what kinda loads didja use ? according to the nitpicky critics, it gets fouled quickly unless fed fmj
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: '90s ru type flamethrower. the traditional kind wastes buncha fuel in flight .
BingoBoingo: Well, wound channel is king. Only really gotta have enough energy to break rather than follow shoulderblade of male members of target species.
asciilifeform: showed even compression waves in the powder as it went off
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: there was a spiffy neutronographic (!) film study in '80s su to try an' determine ideal barrel. sadly cannot atm find on net
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 11:28:29 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939158 << instead of arguing the point, i'ma invite mp_en_viaje to take cheap chronograph and compare 2 barrel lengths in same caliber. ( where flash is white, gas is still pushing . is part of why folx even bother with long barrels. )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939214 << actually, longer barrel exists chiefly for accuracy, not per se for speed afaik. the tradeoffs are friction/tear driven losses on one hand vs bullet stablization on other hand. speed/eenergy per se doesn't actualoly figure as such because very easy to fix / maximize / not even desired as max generally
BingoBoingo: Also corridors for note running and other forms of paging
mp_en_viaje: o look at that, diana_coman needs a princess dresstrain now with all them pages!
ossabot: Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 07:56:16 diana_coman: afaik the need someone in China is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939164 << well, i do meet the occasional cute japanese girl ; but yes.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-27 23:24:27 asciilifeform: this rev also knows how to echo lines of form : http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/1938795#1938795 , if we decide to go there in 'reader' re 'url problem' .
asciilifeform: logotron is at the frustrating stage where the 'easy pieces' are in, and what remains is the gnarlier
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 11:06:56 asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938845 << ty mp_en_viaje , found culprit: a built-in idjicy in the pythonism that asciilifeform used to implement doublequotes. i'ma have to rewrite that mechanism.
asciilifeform: diana_coman: i'ma cut the stump out in next patch.
diana_coman: that much is true but this is not going to solve it; the raw log thing is fine and yes, on a per chan basis, one has to request from their own "latest index" to as much as it takes to end up with "nothing"
diana_coman: I don't quite think it's the right approach even, tbh
diana_coman: ahhh, now I see what you wanted ; but... how could it work across chans because even if "last N" , it's still rather meaningless
asciilifeform: diana_coman: observe that the example tape you linked , contains only #t, cuz indices are per-chan and no other chan has advanced to anywhere near 1937934
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-28 14:13:23 asciilifeform: 'tape' knob i realized is unusable shortly after cut patch, it needs to be rewritten so as to give 'last N' , rather than using start/end index from the earlier raw-log knob
diana_coman: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-28#1938834 - I've just pressed the latest vpatch and tested this, comparing to the log-raw, eg. http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/tape?istart=1937934&iend=1937941 vs http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log-raw/trilema?istart=1937934&iend=1937941
BingoBoingo: mod6: Anyways, I recommend some cathartic blogtime to help organize the things inside the headvault
BingoBoingo: Until the rains arrived today, people had been getting beach time in.
BingoBoingo: brb, stocking up on meat before the downpour resumes
asciilifeform: mod6: maybe visit BingoBoingostan. springtime there.
mod6: Overall though, big step in the right direction.
mod6: Now, I've got some money for now, so I'm going to be able to take at least the rest of the year off. Beyond that, I'm still working on the details a bit; may do some per-diem consulting as I need to or what not.
snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-12 19:16:29 asciilifeform: ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel'
asciilifeform: err, wrong link above, oughta be there
asciilifeform: ( the trouble with 'seize money', is that most usaschwitz inmates have ~none )
snsabot: Logged on 2017-06-12 19:21:52 BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> ^ 'altalena affair' resulted in the switcheroo where the upstanding folx ( irgun et al, who held the position 'rm -rf britain' , were replaced by the internationalkomyooniti obedient muppet circus who ended up 'recognized' by said komyooniti as 'israel' << Aka. When da jooz jew'd the Jay-double-Oh-Oh-Zee
ericbot: Logged on 2019-09-30 16:37:29 asciilifeform: small-town precincts already run on this model, but currently (afaik) as department, rather than per-man
lobbes: http://logs.ericbenevides.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939263 << aha, I recall the various small-town departments operating the highwayman model here in usgistan. Common tactic is for said towns along a major rural highway to drop the speed limit a few miles outside of town by about 40 mph, and post officer at the line.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:02:51 mp_en_viaje: c) the jews themselves are, obviously, as inconceivably stupid as always, i won't belabour the point of these morons, who finally got to make themselves a country and made it red-tape sovok socialism atop turkish legal system ffs.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939133 << the often-overlooked 'seekrit' is that 30-40% of these were exiles from sovok proper. and re-created it in miniature.
asciilifeform: small-town precincts already run on this model, but currently (afaik) as department, rather than per-man
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i expect at some pt police in usa will move to 'india' model, where fella is given a name tag and paid a coupla rupee / mo., and the rest he is expected to make up from bakshish and straight highway robbery
BingoBoingo: Charge em a fee to get their permit, count them as employed forever more without any particular follow up
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: is how asciilifeform was counted. and the other coolies. ~doubles the tax rate, and removes 'unemploy insurance' & other expenses for usg.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they do! and, interestingly, army bases (already in early 2000s when asciilifeform worked inside 1) guarded ~100% by equiv. of mall cops, rather than uniformed folx (for whom they'd have to 'medical & dental'(tm)) , cheaper.
BingoBoingo: Seems cheaper to just count the parking extortionists as employed
BingoBoingo: Well standard setup seems to be 1 marksman, 1 autorifleman, maybe a mortarman, rest of squad on m-16 or other specialist support tole
asciilifeform pictures a fyootoor us army where 4 of 5 men in platoon can be gimps, and 'designated walksman' is the only 1 who's req'd to have working legs
BingoBoingo: Well, Iraq vets now are either old or "specials" herded into 20 year career
asciilifeform: ( funnily , it appears that the normal recruiting pool for police -- burned-out iraq vets -- has dried up. nao they have booths at public markets, fairs, 'join the police dept! medical & dental!' )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: re aiming, per reports from cousins and their spawn still taught to aim. Just once they go from basic skills to small unit tactics they are taught in practice one guy in squad with .30 rifle should aim while rest make noise
asciilifeform: 99% of'em never use it, so the 'less weight on belt' aspect appeals.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in washingtonistan, police usually has the plastic austrian 'glock' or similar.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From the local news stories I read in old country police usually took what they were given or bought what they were told with money similarly given with strings
BingoBoingo suspects part of the reason it takes 250k+ rounds per us conscript kill is the magazines are too big. Fuck your supressing fire, make the first shot count!
asciilifeform: police, on other hand, get what's cheapest.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc some of these oddball calibres aint even made industrially , like normal people do, but instead turned on a lathe ~individually~ from larger shells
BingoBoingo: In that case why not SKS? Durable thing that required machining, but otherwise perfect conscript rifle
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: folx who mainly use the thing to hang on wall, naturally dun care if a shell costs 10 $ ea. or is sold in just 1 place in alabama or whatnot
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: There seems to be a racket where a loading with get a weird ricer name like .50 BEOWOLF or .300 BLACKOUT get some USG test firings and go on to market the round as things normally get marketed to jugalos,etc based on edgy/cool name
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: sorta how you can fiddle all you like with pc irons and will still end up with essentially same x86 box, with all the basic flaws, always
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: probably one could write entire b00k on 'ricer hardware'. i.e. where enthusiast could (and often does) fill an entire lifetime of nights an' weekends with fiddling, and spend any amt of money, but will still end up with basically same thing, if 'heavy with shit stuck to the side'.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Lettuce not forget all of the non-standard caliber uppers available for M16/AR15 which will take it from .22 rimfire through some rimless straightwall .50 rounds with all manner of niche weird in between
asciilifeform: ( and pertinently, contrary to popular delusion, usa's 'contract soldier' is psychologically still same conscript, us army is fulla folx who joined e.g. to get their teeth fixed, or simply to find any work at all, aint no work to be had in their native oklahomistan outside of meth labs )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:47:00 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939070 << afaik 100% it. also the future borne them out, not because "nuclear war" but because yeast infection. pretty much ANY platoon will fall back in a panic if you as much as hit one guy. and we're not talking here of domestic ra-ra-ra-i'm-so-bad-i-gotta-wear-a-mask cowardlice. even "battle hardened" "afghanistan veterans" are the same shit.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939156 << this is imho an underappreciated good point. conscript dun need to be hit with rhinoceros round, he'll take any excuse to go to the rear
asciilifeform: invite an enthusiast for tea, he will tell you for two hours about titanium firing pins ( with 0 awareness of the metallurgy, of why is it that in sovok, where to this day ~monopoly on the metal, no one used ti firing pin? ) but with the deepest conviction.
asciilifeform: see also this old thrd. consider the most popular piece, the m16 & variants. popular specifically because comes apart into two dozen parts, for each of which there are 'ricer' aftermarket 'shit bolted to side!111' replacements, for fiddlers to fiddle with.
asciilifeform: re that 'mac-10' ( famously rejected by army commission with phrase 'this would be great for warfare inside a phone booth' ) -- americans very fond in recent decades of 'picturesque', loud, but entire impractical small arms. iirc mp even wrote a piece on subj, along the lines of tlp's 'this is not to win, but to Feel Like A Trader'.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:10:31 mp_en_viaje: so what exactly happened, how the fuck did the ~extremely civilised~ germans, who if convened today would laugh with every hole at the "washington correspondent's dinner" FOR CAUSE, end up throwing stones at people's windows that they actually very much respected privately...
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939138 << the key to the puzzler aint much of a seekrit. goebbels put it in plain text. j00z were picked as 'instigators of the war' and meat grinder ramped up in direct proportion to the obviousness of germany starting to lose. the chronology fits.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 03:35:10 mp_en_viaje: which... i mean, for most of the 90s the koreans deeply believed that if one goes to sleep with a working fan in the room, the mechanical movement will somehow magically "suck the oxygen out" of the room leading to asphyxia.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939123 << afaik they still believe.
ossabot: Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 07:56:16 diana_coman: afaik the need someone in China is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:50:44 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939082 << no, because by the time the bullet's leaving, it actually has same speed as the fireball. so moar contact wouldn't have accelerated it much further.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939158 << instead of arguing the point, i'ma invite mp_en_viaje to take cheap chronograph and compare 2 barrel lengths in same caliber. ( where flash is white, gas is still pushing . is part of why folx even bother with long barrels. )
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:31:40 mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939050 << pretty sure the nigger-famous macs are open bolt.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939147 << indeed they were. they demonstratively pissed on the ban, not even from 'practical' but as a stotting .
snsabot: Logged on 2017-12-07 08:52:36 asciilifeform: http://btcbase.org/log/2017-12-07#1747908 << the 1 law, where 'precedent is whatever we say it is'. sorta like 'in this germany, a jew is he who i say is a jew' in the earlier reich.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-30 04:02:09 mp_en_viaje: the very officers ranting about the evil jews wilfully respected jewish veterans, promoted jewish officers, threw a fit if they were sidelined and so the fuck on.
asciilifeform: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-30#1939132 << h. göring famously had a j00 as general under him. for entire length of the war.
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ossabot: Logged on 2018-05-17 11:37:22 mircea_popescu: kinda why we need someone in china, to dissolve exactly this sort of "only seems to be offered in china and in container-sized min order" situation ; which arises for very good reasons to do with industrialization, and is eminently solvable -- but not by the red skins, nor from inside the reservation.
diana_coman: afaik the need someone in China is still entirely unaddressed, is it? apparently thimbronion has newly established e-mail contact with someone living in China so maybe worth pursuing it with this goal in mind.
mp_en_viaje: https://archive.is/VERxz/ea03d0cd7f309d68285653e8626362cd2ec2d46e.png << wtf, the verbiage to go with that is "He had a muscular body builders build and an attitude. His piercing brown eyes below dark bushy eyebrows and thick black mop of curly dark hair gave a clear message, dont mess with me. He was quiet and intense with a masked sense of humor until provoked, and then watch out" ? wasn't my read at all.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:41:48 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for what argentards to invade uy ? to steal the pot-flavoured empanadas ??
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939096 << cuz it's a "large" (self-perceived, as always, an ysocialism will perceive itself as large much like every donkey will perceive its voice as melodious) failed (duh) socialism. it's what they do.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:30:51 asciilifeform: lotsa wasted joules in that fireball. the powder wants a barrel to do its thing in.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939082 << no, because by the time the bullet's leaving, it actually has same speed as the fireball. so moar contact wouldn't have accelerated it much further.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:22:28 BingoBoingo: The NATO caliber standarding also happened during that time where the soft-serve consensus was the next fight will be nuclear so its possible there wasn't much concern over small arm supremacy
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939070 << afaik 100% it. also the future borne them out, not because "nuclear war" but because yeast infection. pretty much ANY platoon will fall back in a panic if you as much as hit one guy. and we're not talking here of domestic ra-ra-ra-i'm-so-bad-i-gotta-wear-a-mask cowardlice. even "battle hardened" "afghanistan veterans" are the same shit.
mp_en_viaje: "oh, any man's wrist will be stiff after emptying a desert eagle magazine" "dude, if you've emptied the magazine you're a war hero, wtf, you killed two platoons" "no you don't actually hit" "what ?" "you miss, see" "why the fuck are you shooting then ?!" "isn't that what you do ?" "yes dumbo, it's what i do. it's not what you do, get lost."
mp_en_viaje disdains today as always disdained the negro / usigistani notions of "spray and pray" mac-10 is da shit nonsense.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:19:26 asciilifeform: .45 is imho pretty good , of the historic calibers. usually subsonic right outta the box, even (i.e. silenceable)
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:17:14 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the colt acp also afaik uncommon outside of north amer
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939057 << no fucking way, most of my arsenal in the 90s was .45 and .50. "wtf is this 9mm, what are you, a cop ?"
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 19:13:59 asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just about 100% a basement-built , fire-from-open-bolt design ( these are Officially proscribed in usa even when half-auto , so unlikely to be industrially-baked )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939050 << pretty sure the nigger-famous macs are open bolt.
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939044 << looks rather hand-made. uruguay home metallurgy ftw!
mp_en_viaje: 1938 okh'd have worn for cock ornaments goering an' his merry band of drunks and societal rejects inside the week, what the fuck were all these people thinking ?!
mp_en_viaje: nevertheless opt to not bring the army out and clear them off, but instead retire. he's an army fucking officer, from the prussian school, since when the fuck he opts to ~run away leaving enemy in possession~ instead of deploying ~superior force~!
mp_en_viaje: Y WERE ALL WHORES. i thought this ~because you literally said so in writing holy shit what the fcuk~
mp_en_viaje: or, for that matter, even seemingly simpler questions : why the fuck would a man who was ~faslely~ accused of THE BAD by some schmuckturds barely perceptible above that chick from fizesu' gherlii who also had prior fucked up his boss for marrying a whore -- seriously now, I THOUGHT THE
mp_en_viaje: so what exactly happened, how the fuck did the ~extremely civilised~ germans, who if convened today would laugh with every hole at the "washington correspondent's dinner" FOR CAUSE, end up throwing stones at people's windows that they actually very much respected privately...
mp_en_viaje: much like the ~same retard's "science" model produces golf clubs out of whatever you feed it.
mp_en_viaje: meanwhile the retards idly posing as scholars's naive read would readily decide "misogyny!!!" if applied to trilema.
mp_en_viaje: but it seems to the actually competent scholar self-obvious that there's equivocation in the source material : that the autors speak of "jews" in the general ~deliberately~ and ~awaredly of the fact~ that it's a pars pro toto deal and they're specifically exclusing some if not most.
mp_en_viaje: c) the jews themselves are, obviously, as inconceivably stupid as always, i won't belabour the point of these morons, who finally got to make themselves a country and made it red-tape sovok socialism atop turkish legal system ffs.
mp_en_viaje: the very officers ranting about the evil jews wilfully respected jewish veterans, promoted jewish officers, threw a fit if they were sidelined and so the fuck on.
mp_en_viaje: b) at a personal and microsocial level, jews were very well inserted, and well respected. even the most rabid of the [retrospectively read as] "antisemites" of the period make distinctions (very much on the pattern of "all the cunts are whores except for mom" ; "all tjhe jews are vermin except for my bff shclomo")
mp_en_viaje: but as factual matters : a) jews had lived for a long time in germany, and prospered there, and were throughout upstanding pillars of the community, unmistakably.
mp_en_viaje: it's not exactly clear to me what the fuck happened, to be honest. (then again i have a score of these wonderments, "why the hell did the sovok intelligentsia give up" was even aired a coupla times)
bvt: germans are taught nowadays that they were all victims of evil nazis, and imprison anyone who was close enough to KZs back in the day, but at least older generation would still tell stories about their fathers when drunk (i have only second-hand recollections though)
mp_en_viaje: at the time hitler was a struggling painter / vagabond / corporal 1st class, this guy was an aristocratic military commander, deeply respected socially.
mp_en_viaje: this i think they mostly renouned meanwhile (or stopped admitting publicly, or whatever, people are weird), and it's obviously fallacious. nevertheless, at the time it was social consensus, and therefore a very flimsy basis for either diagnosing insanity or "evil" in believers.
bvt: ah so, this is clear from the letter (and iirc you pointed it out in some of the trilema articles)
mp_en_viaje: which... i mean, for most of the 90s the koreans deeply believed that if one goes to sleep with a working fan in the room, the mechanical movement will somehow magically "suck the oxygen out" of the room leading to asphyxia.
mp_en_viaje: item is just one of the lulziest bits of a huge bundle of historical evidence deeply inconvenient to the pantsuit socialists, because it quite clearly proves hitler's purported antisemitism as not merely a received idea, which didn't belong to him personally anymore than the notion that the string "sun" is how you describe the closest star belongs to you,
bvt: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1939005 << i can see the point of 'only man can be caring' in that letter, but tbh the 'cunts/prostate' one totally elides me.
mp_en_viaje: and for the hebrew speaking club, here's a little chortle : what's a mishmishtara ?
asciilifeform: collection says moar about ameritard audience than about any given subj. there were half a dozen tomes on e.g. summoning devils, cultivation of opium, etc. for erry 1 that contained ~reality-applicable trivia
asciilifeform: most likely, imho, 'a little of 1, a little of other'.
asciilifeform always wondered whether this and similar publishers, printed such marvels as 'course of cryptography' where caesar's cipher was presented as state of art, or the various 'wonderful explosives in kitchen' schemes ~guaranteed to homogenize the experimenter , at usg behest, or via the ample ameri-supply of naturally occurring idjicy
asciilifeform: and indeed BingoBoingo , there lies yer uruguayan '45 ...
asciilifeform: ( and, lulzily, what was 1nce '31337 w4r3z' is nao hosted by the beast itself on national archive www...
snsabot: Logged on 2017-10-04 12:55:14 BingoBoingo: In other sads, Paladin Press closing at end of year https://www.paladin-press.com/
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: in re ye olde 'paladin' co , found a kind of bio of the late owner , apparently very frustrated vietnam war d00d .
BingoBoingo: Competing Argentine and Brasilero intervention resolved that domestic dispute. Then everyone got together and nearly genocided Paraguay as a bonding exercise.
BingoBoingo: http://bingology.net/2019/09/26/weighing-real-estate-in-montevideo-from-an-acquisitive-perspective/ << "Also transit times between Cerrito de la Victoria and Ciudad Vieja were probably shorter during the 19th century when the government of Uruguay under General Oribe in Cerrito de la Victoria held the other government of Uruguay lead by General Riveria in the old city under seige for 8 years."
BingoBoingo: Back when Uruguay had under 100,000 non-feathered bipeds and still managed respectable civil wars
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Historically the did do for ego reasons like Bush in Iraq II
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: for what argentards to invade uy ? to steal the pot-flavoured empanadas ??
BingoBoingo: Note that Brasil is treaty obligated to do the quashing of actual Argentine invasions of Uruguay.
asciilifeform: ( recall, he had 1 of those mysteriously-incombustible passports that lay , Officially, on his corpse when they napalmed the house he was in )
BingoBoingo: Consider the local Army's primary defense purpose is armed bridge standoff against Argetine forces during Peronist times, and... seems to explain why it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Well barret prices are why the local ministry of defense buys arms for that caliber made in Uruguay
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: 'barrett' . (btw moar hits for ~this~ barrett than for the other barrett in ~all searchtrons, lol)
BingoBoingo: There's a shop here that produces a single shot .50 BMG bolt action for the local armed forces, because Ministry of Defense doesn't want to pay the tarrifs
asciilifeform: lotsa wasted joules in that fireball. the powder wants a barrel to do its thing in.
asciilifeform: similar problem with 1990 ru police favourite, the 'short kalash'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: .45 ACP came about because .38 just wasn't doing the job against Pinoys
asciilifeform: ( maybe in the warm continents, where even grunts issued armours tend to throw'em out , a la vietnam -- moar relevant ? nfi )
asciilifeform: the slow, blunt 45 is moar of a police interest item than for any kinda war. there's an infamous case where 2 drunken red army sargeants had 'duel at dawn at 50 paces' w/ lendlease 'thompsons' . both scored, neither penetrated the wool greatcoat.
feedbot: http://blog.lobbesblog.com/2019/09/charting-the-charlotte-bdsm-scene-part-two-choking-on-socialist-spores/ << lobbesblog -- Charting the Charlotte BDSM Scene, Part Two: Choking on Socialist Spores
BingoBoingo: The NATO caliber standarding also happened during that time where the soft-serve consensus was the next fight will be nuclear so its possible there wasn't much concern over small arm supremacy
BingoBoingo: I suspect because more bullets fit into the supply truck
asciilifeform never grasped why nato picked up luger as Official standard rather than colt's
BingoBoingo: Sure the Olympics use .22 rimfire or after London "simulated gun" toys, but .45 ACP is a standard
asciilifeform: .45 is imho pretty good , of the historic calibers. usually subsonic right outta the box, even (i.e. silenceable)
BingoBoingo: It is used here because it's the international standard high caliber competition pistol caliber round
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the colt acp also afaik uncommon outside of north amer
BingoBoingo: Another possibility is its an "Operation Condor" artifact of US origin
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Brasil has a big regular industry that builds to specs competitive on the international market.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: rright but for some reason most of the brasil people build vaguely to usa spec, historically
BingoBoingo: Well, this isn't the US. Could be a Brasilero or Paraguayo product of Jungle Industry. Or could be Industria Defensa de Argentina
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: lacking the gas brake, most of salvo is likely to end up in ceiling. hasty, shoddy work.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: just about 100% a basement-built , fire-from-open-bolt design ( these are Officially proscribed in usa even when half-auto , so unlikely to be industrially-baked )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: observe , no muzzle break, either , dollars to doughnuts 'plumbing shop' build
mp_en_viaje: (approx -- these whores & cunts are bad news, only men can be loving & trustworthy!)
billymg: mp_en_viaje: "I want to add here a link to that "they live meaningless lives" cartoon thing, which is already in the footnote of a relevant Trilema piece, which of course I can't find." << http://trilema.com/2014/that-aint-the-maslow-pyramid-yo/ and http://trilema.com/2014/fred-quimby-and-ancient-evils/#identifier_5_53722
BingoBoingo: I suspect the HR departments last a bit longer than the drummers for reasons of Indian caste and tribal loyalties.
BingoBoingo: And the assorted non-profit awareness drummers about to rot on the vine when the spigot stops
mp_en_viaje: i hope everyone got all the democrat voting they wanted to do out of their system already, because with the bidden clan gone there's literally nothing left. that was their last functional moneyraising center.
mp_en_viaje: they're doing lulzy desperations on the tv too, "historic week interviews with pelosi's daughter" and assorted festivist nonsense.
BingoBoingo: Had to get the taste of yesterday's news out of my head
lobbesbot: mp_en_viaje: The operation succeeded.
mp_en_viaje: from the pike.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 12:00:43 mp_en_viaje: that'd be the supernova : 1. go in, 2. kill all the dudes 3. chain all the women nude to poles, let the kids crawl out of them come to terms with the megalanguage.
asciilifeform: the imho interesting aspect was trying to pry open is, from where comes the larger items from which then decay.
mp_en_viaje: this then is uncontroversial : wind blows. on a long enough timespan, all man made things revert.
asciilifeform: the natural process being stalled, is what was speaking of.
asciilifeform: is why even in simple man-made tooling gotta have 'written standards'. otherwise result is pythonism etc.
asciilifeform: as asciilifeform sees it, almost definitionally 'civilization' as in written , organized culture, is attempt to stall the drift.
mp_en_viaje: i'm not even proposing a closed form solution here ; but it seems to me that elementarily even english works ok in my hands, and in general the discussion will be more a matter of how you do your sampling than of anything else.
mp_en_viaje: did bitcoin drift because a buncha idiots do whatever the hell ?
asciilifeform: the meat drifts pretty slowly.
mp_en_viaje: so then -- not drifted.
mp_en_viaje: this neatly doubles the "great progress of ourdemocracy -- life expectancy". if you inflation-fudge the data to include babies, you get the numbers you want ; but if you don't you end up with much better everything, by letting most kids die rather than carrying them on the books pointelliottly.
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: in mouth of 'scholar' just about anyffin can be 'stable', as in your quality italians. even oddball conlangs. recall the tears of the folx who made up 1945 hebrew when their spawn started speaking it tho.
asciilifeform: in asciilifeform's model, looking only at 'stable' rather than 'better' (in whatever measure, e.g. the 1 where english is fucking ~impossible to write quality lit , not even speaking of poem, or unambiguous argument, etc. in )
mp_en_viaje: this is amusing because the most fucked of the greeks (in cyprus) got allegedly the better greek.
asciilifeform: ( to run w/ the model -- homeric era folx, 'well-balanced', get a load of red hot 'sea men' pirate spoodge right up arse, and new 'heavier' lang forms, then proceeds to 'lazy dogs' leprosy-shed pieces, then... rinse, repeat )
mp_en_viaje: just as here : i will bring forth "elided" from the pits of "wtf, that's not even english!!!" because the phrase needs and demands it.
mp_en_viaje: though the discussion as carries elides the important point : excellent speaking helenists existed throughout the history.
asciilifeform: the orig 'zombie apocalypse' aha
mp_en_viaje: insanely obscure folk sicilian, while deeply irrelevant culturally, is still rewarding enough one wants to figure out wtf is mp's quote maritari bs even about. meanwhile quite interesting culturally hungarian fails to interest anyone -- and this mostly because terrible notation connotes horrible phonetic balance (which isn't even the case)
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: i cannot disagree. observed, tho, that even the utmost classical greeks were already spewing out loose neutrons, if you will, per model
mp_en_viaje: classical greek and to a large degree republican latin appear so dignified because the balance's good. modern italian similarly, have you heard a civilised older male speak italian ? it instantly connotes all the things anglos want and can
asciilifeform: mp_en_viaje: also from getting a foreign alphabet welded to it , kazah-style, and the users lacking the spark of life to fucking fix it
mp_en_viaje: but by and large, losing major lines is an unmitigated loss. english appears in no small part retarded because, phonetically, it utilizes poorly the available spoace
mp_en_viaje: you can make slight movements, turning everything an eight one way or the other ; you can put more focus on labials or africates and less on velars of w/e.
mp_en_viaje: there's about six to twelve vowels and about eighteen to twenty-something consonants that are naturally available in the mouth
mp_en_viaje: "these people sound like retarded preschoolers with a lisp"
mp_en_viaje: the reason every balkan country mocked the shit out of the greeks throughout late antiquity and middle ages was PRECISELY their dropping of the waw.
asciilifeform: 'ultralights', the jungle men, ditto, they dun have enuff 'temperature' to 'fuse' into sumthing like what civilized folx speak
asciilifeform: where there aint a chingis han to come an' take a hammer to'em
asciilifeform: observe that 'ultraheavies' e.g. the finns tend to only survive in geo-isolates
asciilifeform: consider what other natural object follows 'damn these only ever break apart, but for most of recorded hist we never saw'em get bigger' : nucleus
asciilifeform: i was gonna share a crackpot model of the item but mp_en_viaje already hinted that he has same 1
mp_en_viaje: and damn, now i can't find the joke in the log anymore ;/ "don't worry, itll fall off once it dries"
mp_en_viaje: talking of the matter "in general", as of loss in principle, "he lost some shit off the sole of the boot" not at all the same as loss of the very boot. "but mp, where's the shit end and the boot begin ???" "shut it."
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 02:20:46 mp_en_viaje: speaking of http://btcbase.org/log/2014-12-02#940849 ; possibly the best compressed illustration of "why ancient, what's wrong with modern" could be had reviewing the phonetis of hoi polloi. so : it was [hoi polloi] in the ancient world, with gemminated l and everyting else good right and proper. it's... well, it's [i poˈli] these days, because "do we still have to DO th
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 11:33:48 asciilifeform: not even clear to me that the 'decay' is necessarily disaster -- do indo-european folx miss the 15 declensions of finnish ? ( has e.g. 'into', 'out of', buncha other 'extras' cases )
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938903 << not all loss is disaster, of course not. but the same argument as contemplated in http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938852 is seen in "o look at linux, lost init, now systemd".
mp_en_viaje: of course, this can't happen if you have writing, that'll preserve the two as distinct rather than creatively merge them to save on memory space
mp_en_viaje: that'd be the supernova : 1. go in, 2. kill all the dudes 3. chain all the women nude to poles, let the kids crawl out of them come to terms with the megalanguage.
snsabot: Logged on 2019-09-29 11:17:57 asciilifeform: has been slowly eating greeks for a while, and the (sovok) texts take special care to rub this in, and asciilifeform finds interesting
mp_en_viaje: http://logs.nosuchlabs.com/log/trilema/2019-09-29#1938894 << the way to gain such is the same way as gaining a lot of new children. if the russians stayed in berlin -- but for reals, not just one quickie rape passing throiugh, then modern eastern german'd conceivably have been as sluttily hybridized as phoenician-dri
mp_en_viaje: asciilifeform, what's the problem with having a consonant equivalent upsilon ?