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(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: lolz@almost working; "here, have some almost food" :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: showing you "care" about dalnet!!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: and for the other thing, whatever they do, you document it and post it on blog, what; not to mention that...uhm, what exactly is wrong with joining all channels?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: well, for one thing you can time them so it's not all at once
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but make sure now that you get data properly so you have what to look at.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: and note that once you have that, you can make a direct comparison and say something along the lines: look here , you claim 10k users but their actual *words* (let alone meaning!) adds up to less than x% of tmsr talk over similar timeframe
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: yes but the important part is that we want to do this properly ie systematically; so we have actual data to point to when we make a claim ; (and for that matter if surprisingly it turns out that there is some very active and interesting thing going on somewhere in there - all the better, we can go directly to it!)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: is it clear what and why is the idea there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: re logger yes, if you have an instance of a client running and in the chan, it will log (make sure it does, lol)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: you can publish the plan post for the week after vacation, not a bad thing to have already done when you come back
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and yes, I'd set it up on whatever vps or anything else you have available really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: as much as you can automate quickly, automate; note that the list of channels is likely to be loooong; but a /channels or similar will retrieve it and then simply feed that into the conf to join automatically (or similar setup)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: so ask them why can't guarantee and then/or how does the decision work
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you, that might be useful indeed; it does seem to me that I might not really have many choices other than picking at least a dc within short distance and getting space there + searching them thoroughly for some human; but atm I'm under such a pile of work on all directions that it's not going to happen tomorrow or next week yet.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: quite.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: more to the point is the fact that V does not *care* about "most recent", time itself -at least as the linear thing most commonly thought of- is not part of V as such (and the fact that it has to be forced in via manifest file reflects this), hence not appropriate to talk about most recent when you describe V; onth a user may care (as in your example above or for whatever other reason).
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: hopefully the contexts&terms part is clear too because it's quite important; you basically said "most recent" when what you meant was (it would seem) "leaf node" that further was assumed for some reason to be unique at any given time.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: see for instance the mp-wp v-tree perhaps
(ossasepia) diana_coman: the standard was written on trinque's blog but atm that's down; you can however take any current v-tree and look at it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: ha! the discussion/intro of a manifest file is in #trilema (although it goes on a bit until current shape so possibly a search works best to figure out what and how
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: does the above make sense?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: pay attention to using the proper terms because if you do, it helps you *a lot*
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so at most you could have said a leaf node; at which point hopefully the q would have naturally popped up: why not a non-leaf node?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie "most recent" is of interest mainly in user-context really; in your V-discussion context you should stick to the relevant terms for the *structure* since that is what you are discussing; ie you have a root node and you have leaf nodes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but you basically used there the wrong contexts and got messed up
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: technically speaking there IS a most recent patch because of the manifest file
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: re v-line, see the new comment
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you *really* should ask what something means if you don't know it, not just wing it! a v-line is not what you think, ugh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: note that it might *happen* that you have to spend some night(s) working, sure, but those should be the exception really not a plan ie mainly either 1. terribly poor time management on your part in which case good it hurts, get better at it 2. force majeure (that is rare by definition)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: the exact planning of when to get the work done depends on your schedule really but as a rule you should plan somewhere a buffer too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: but no, I hope you are not going to plan to spend Sunday nights working, ugh
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-17#1006713 - Sunday night strictly speaking; practically speaking for as long as I'm in the UK, it would be Monday 6am UK time (ie GMT+1 currently & GMT when clocks change)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: this algo in particular is pretty simple too, greedy taking of vertices that don't have any incoming edges + eliminate it and repeat
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so go and read it from a ref book if you need to, what; that's what ref books are for!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: do you know dijkstra's algo? (yes or no)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: are you trying to rediscover dijkstra's toposort algorithm or what's with the remembering?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: re script for analysis you might find the awk irssi2tmsr thing good for initial cleanup of join/part and similar so you have whatever conversation remains in there
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: http://thimbron.com/2019/10/irc-diplomacy-oftc-undernet-espernet-dalnet/#comment-29 - this is btw something to add to easily while you are on holiday; if anything you can set up a fleet of bouncers to collect data from all networks & chans while you enjoy hawaii or whatever
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: 10 minutes from q to answer though does not a conversation make; so we'll continue tomorrow or Friday evening; write it down too when you get your blog up.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: yo, did you go silent?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: fwiw you seem to want rock-solid under your foot (and preferably a few hundred meters of it downwards too) before you even step anywhere; assuming that's true, it's like everything else, it comes with its own set of advantages and disadvantages, not a "wrong" or a "right" thing.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: let those confused be confused, what; back to your story though: the coinapult happy-bubble burst around you; what next?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ahaha, so it's jacob welsh and esau dorion
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: why were you reluctant though? you did seem to... how to put it, circle but from a "safe" distance
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: did you make him cry though? you should have!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: as you have already quite a few posts to write, get them done so I can read them before prodding you more if needed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you get a choice there; if you want to solve it as a puzzle, do it as a puzzle ie leave annotation for next week and add instead some deeper exploration of V as a concept & tool.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: how did it come anyway that only yest poor jfw had to beg you to come in here but then you beat him to decision to apply?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: congrats on making a decision, heh.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: toposort sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: note also that this wasn't just about "write the code" ; it was fully getting what V is, how it works and why and whatfor; + implementation as an aside (as it always rightfully is, just the very last and least piece)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: not to mention that I seriously doubt that they actually graduated from the same kindergarten as you :P
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: you know, you did it, yes but remember you "did" that after you had actually... designed V in the first place? and that design (regardless of what you might think) was not the result of "just some time during this week here"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: good then; it's still better that it's made clear in the logs now too for any log-readers anyway.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: it's just rather surprising you managed to not see it given how you were precisely in the middle ie in the best position to actually spot the problems of all types (technical and non-technical too)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: that's usually how it works, yes; see the what they are, not what you want them to be
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: so revise your plan *carefully* and *thoughtfully* + publish it on younghands as new post "revise plan dates"; it should include why and how the revision became needed.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: looking at the logs it seems line crossed: this is a reply to the q if there's something to navigate by
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ah, did that come as a surprise to you?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: heh, were you seriously planning in doing ALL-on-V in one week?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: are you good at that sort of bridging? it can be quite demanding when it's effectively translating from one domain to the other.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: so move on to this coinapult thing; what did you do there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: that sounds actually very fitting yes; and I can easily see how a just-wanter might - for a while - even pass for more than that, basically for as long as his single issue happens to be relevant.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ah, the "it's a bubble" comes next, yes; it even is defensible in first instance but the trouble is that meanwhile after all those years, mhm, rather not all that defensible anymore.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: lol, I didn't know that specific bit, no; but the "gold has value" is the most common-argument I hear even if I don't mention bitcoin at all (they with the gold-value do)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: aha; while not impossible, rather unlikely; more likely he is trying to "make america great again" on his specific domain.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: do ask if there's more.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: how old is this schiff guy? because that's quite a usual stance in "too old to understand a major shift in such a core place"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: bwahahahaha, that's quite the sort of thing that makes americans seem... childish at best
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie obvious for that schiff guy
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: ah, I meant obvious *for them* not for you (and esp not at 22, no)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: not bad; if anything, one of the rather lacking skills currently in the republic
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: what did you actually do at the bank?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: you'd think that would have been obvious from the start.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: there's a long reading list that can come out of just those questions, lol; but for one thing you have more pressing matters to see to atm and for the other I can't say I have a very clear idea yet of what and how you know
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (it's first time I hear of both this schiff guy and his bank)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: and what happened there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: sure, some might forget the how and why and as a result, they'll think the "rule" doesn't apply to them
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that being said, the thing is that best "rules" are simply clear statements of some hard underlying reality ; and as such, generation doesn't matter
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie there's a generation 2 of rules just like of people: not entirely different nor the same (even if wording stays the same)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you'd need to start by understanding what the "rules" are and how they come to be: it's not some arbitrary and isolated set of "do this/don't do that"; moreover, the generations are also not insulated from one another; in principle and in short, you can say that both evolve
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you don't yet seem to have the prerequisites for what you are trying to picture really so yeah, it ends up nonsense
(ossasepia) diana_coman: all human interactions are discriminations really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ie I don't have "the universal rule that applies to everyone under the sun", no
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: what do you mean by stand behind the rules? note that discriminating is mandatory as it were
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and no, I don't intend to produce some tome of rules, lol; that pledge is intentionally as short I could make it while capturing the core that is of use for newcomers.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the resulting bureaucracy is one problem for sure; but more fundamentally the trouble with rules not men is the baked-in assumption that people are fungible, just interchangeable
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: as to "how to do things right" - it starts with "act from causes not towards purposes" and "think, don't spin"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: sure, go ahead.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because that's the trouble with "no rules, just do things right" - it's very easy to get lost and/or break your neck.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: the explicit rules that I spell out here are mainly to help people along, to give them something solid on which to rely as they grow
(ossasepia) diana_coman: while a few years ago the gap was not *that* big, it grew and quite quickly at that
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: part of the reason why there isn't anymore a direct entrance to #trilema is precisely the accumulated culture - it makes it extremely hard for a newcomer to *not* make catastrophic mistakes if they just wonder straight in
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: aha, good; are you originally from Panama?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: there is no such thing really; the invisible part there is that once you focus on what things really are the conclusion is to obey those that know better than you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: from the outside I can easily see how one might get the impression that "there is a rule to obey"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hence partially the trouble in answering a question that looks for "general rules" - there aren't any as such, no; there is a culture though, sure.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: as opposed to a republic of laws, rules and regulations
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: as to the republic as a whole, the fundamental aspect I'd say is the fact that it's a republic of men (ie individual agents, active and self-directed entities)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: and at every juncture, choose the thing that needs to be done rather than your comfort
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: for a core principle of mine (and I'd say not only mine but I don't really talk for others): focus on figuring things out for what they are rather than for what you'd want them to be/ find convenient to be
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: realise that there is no right/wrong thing by itself; it's only about doing whatever you do well or not.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: hm, that's not the main point, no;
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: certainly there is and the pageboy's pledge is precisely there to help with this really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: do you have any site/place where you write/publish something? other than jfw's intro on you, I know absolutely nothing about you.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: is this you trying to make sure you "won't do the wrong thing"?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: not a 3-ring binder procedure but a person to person interaction
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that's all of it really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: dorion: the "application process" is very simple: 1. you figure out if you want in 2. if yes, you say it and then I figure out if I want you on
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I don't quite feel qualified for a full ad-hoc lecture on philosophy to start from basis all the way up.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: what's at the root of your question then?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: hm, how clear are you there with the philosophical structure? the way you are asking the 1st question it would seem a broader scope than the very-pedestrian example in 2nd
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: probably any version that works with mpwp + has a lord signing it will be perfectly fine really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: it is, go ahead
(ossasepia) diana_coman: mysql is quite fixed for me at the version I hammered into shape for cuntoo, anyway
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: what do you mean exactly by v-genesisable ie how do you reckon those are vs others aren't?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: myeah, the joy of "versions".
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: that dalnet-feeling is potentially a lot of lulz but why are you so ...timid going in there or dunno
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: looks good really; iirc though I installed the mpwp for younghands on a centos6 and with lamp from repos really; it certainly doesn't hurt to have manual version + tarballs backup too though.
(trilema) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: thank you!
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thank you
(trilema) diana_coman: tbh it did its blog-host job perfectly fine so far
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: an exact image copy of my piz rk would be great (saving the reinstall of all sorts)
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: supposedly can get to it with own hands, yes (or possibly someone else using severed hand since "key + biometric")
(trilema) diana_coman: the one hotel in prague? lolz
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: usually they do, yes; and willing to eat ddos or so they claim
(trilema) diana_coman: fwiw data centres here will rent lockable quarter/half/full racks from ~240, 350, 600 gbp, respectively; the saddest part being anyway the fact that they are still all quite same regimented style otherwise as far as I can see.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: this is why I said invite them to irc rather than directly ask them to register key, lol; but sure, it's your show entirely
(trilema) diana_coman: ha; so invite him to come on irc too, in #a or in #o if you prefer, what's the problem
(trilema) diana_coman: he'll be out of livery so no brand too, plus can talk like normal people, can take picture etc
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: why not invite the main contact to meet in town out of office hours, what
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: anyway, since you are asking for it: what's with this "oh, but X also did it !!!" approach? it's unpleasantly reminiscent of primary school not to say worse.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I can imagine; take it easy, there's still time.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw yes, reading it I had this moment "wtf doesn't he name them" but no, I don't *always* shout, lol.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: dunno if that footnote sentence can be any clearer really; and re ^ uhmm, what??
(trilema) diana_coman: ie no identity, not "not enough testing"; and I promptly added their name as soon as maxim registered the key.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-16#1945831 - uhm, let me cite from footnote 1: "I can't really give their name since they don't yet have an identity really, seeing how they don't have anybody with a registered key"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw, dorion anyways, it's from about 7pm gmt that I'm usually around for chat in here so find some non-hasted time one of those days.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-15#1006470 - you know, the Master of Management is MP and he has published quite a book + practical examples of all sorts.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-15#1006463 - dorion, do I take it you are more the manager while he's more the tech or how is this structured?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-15#1006462 - good for you on coming clear with it on both fronts really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: hello dorion ; why so reluctant to join anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-15#1006450 - why the haste anyway (not to mention that such haste that ends up costing you 1.5 hours later is quite something)? and note that 1. you weren't answering *that* fast anyway 2. I had to repeat a question earlier 3. overall it gave the impression not of "haste" but more of "he's multitasking with whatever and he's not paying much attention";
(ossasepia) diana_coman: anyways, I'll be back tomorrow.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: so you know, maybe worth actually to http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-15#1945646
(trilema) diana_coman: the eu-cheap usually means they have a dc in moldova/ro/bulgaria, lolz.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: fwiw, ~all the isps in the US that I even looked at were significantly cheaper than similar eu-based ones (which in turn cheaper than some more exotic locations)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: hm, that would logically leave more than 9 work-hours available per week though even at 8h*5days employee-mode.
(trilema) diana_coman: and I still want to take a rk there, as soon as it's available really; atm my sad pile of isp idiots is only growing ,with not much useful to show for it.
(trilema) diana_coman: oh hey, well done asciilifeform !
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-15#1006423 was in part re http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-14#1006252 because I gather you still want to finish getting fully up to date with the logs but atm there's no eta on that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: lolz; it's ok, you have another training opportunity there :D
(ossasepia) diana_coman: that'd be a negative rating from a person whose rating carries quite the weight, yes
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: how much of your time is the teaching/training eating? or do you do other stuff too?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I can't say I care really.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: yes, satoshidice, sorry for the confusion there.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ah, right; why the fuck do I keep mixing bitbet with satoshidice in my head
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not that I recall though I didn't follow the Berkshire bet specifically all that close
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: eh, voorhes sang panama's praises at some point; it's all history and not the best way to spend your time atm really; I thought you were familiar with it because you said yes earlier, that's all.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: no, what's the link between bitbet and panama, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: so what's the link with panama?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: are you even familiar with bitbet?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: not only that; but there are literally people whose "this is great" aka positive rating counts as a big fat negative for me, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: (and who maintains it as negative matters just as much, ofc.)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: precisely as any wot works and illustrating exactly the sort of thing most newcomers seem to have trouble with,
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: panama, although not in the wot as it's not a person, still has some informal "ratings" via "who lives/likes it there and who doesn't"; some positives and some negatives but *who* maintains it as positive matters as much as the positive itself.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: every place has its annoyances, that is a given; the whole question is about the degree to which the specific set of local annoyances for one place or another stands in the way of the sort of things you want to do.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: do you have panama citizenship now/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: fwiw panama has a rather negative reputation really as in "tends to be liked by idiots and disliked by non-idiots"; I suppose it works as a basic example of wot-use too, lolz
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: to ask it a different way: what exactly is your business/what are you doing in panama anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: I meant as in age/how did you find them, this sort of thing; not asking for their ids as they don't have any, in real terms
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: who are those you are teaching there anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: suspiciously synchronised!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: what happened to free tomorrow?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: way clearer stated this way! there was one more important part to the original point though: it's not only about receiving advice but generally about interacting with someone whose opinion matters for you - it's *because* you value their opinion that you should open up to them more, as simple as that.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: yes, proofreading it's called.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: what are you trying to say there?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: gah, it's not even the only word-salad in there; /me can't read it and will stop; whaack fix it first for basic grammar.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: "Creating source using V is done by taking a sequentially applying a set of vpatches. " - this doesn't even parse; do *re-read* your own text before pushing that publish button.
(trilema) diana_coman: lolz, the unpredictable script
(trilema) diana_coman: hm, let me try from somewhere else; atm it says "Both comments and pings are currently closed." on http://trilema.com/2019/how-germany-got-itself-banned-and-western-europe-altogether-isnt-all-that-far-behind/
(trilema) diana_coman: mp_en_viaje: are comments closed on trilema?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: before I go: we want to "care" - now, what exactly do they have there that is worth we give a damn about?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I need to go atm but I'll be back later
(ossasepia) diana_coman: very caring, aren't we
(ossasepia) diana_coman: so yes, we "care" about dalnet in that we want to contribute a server to it and take active part in its admin
(ossasepia) diana_coman: because on the face of it, it means precisely nothing; contributing servers IS caring, isn't it?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: ask them what does "care about dalnet" mean
(ossasepia) diana_coman: thimbronion: we would move away from freenode once we have a working server on a different network, so that should take care of their "active here"
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: ugh @ local non-profit whatevers; the best still is to start mailing isps really
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: your diff line goes wild all over the theme, lol
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6: ah, I see; yes, just the archives accessible and it will be great.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: nice; and yes, I'd much rather salvage what is still useful from ben's stuff because he's anyway lost at sea so there isn't even any guarantee that the content will still be up tomorrow or anything.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: I know people who went around the world teaching English on the simple basis of having a passport from an English-speaking country really so I'd say it should certainly work.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: all right; fwiw I fully appreciate your salvaging of hardware and data + the work to help people recover/get back online and if I didn't say anything so far is just because I knew you were busy and focused on this; but if there's any help you need, just speak up.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: heh, sounds like time well spent then; and yes, document what you did and what you've learnt.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: how's the job hunting going or how are you otherwise?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: BingoBoingo: good to hear it and publishing the recipe will certainly be useful, yes.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: historically speaking, teachers were "Master of X" really so yes, "my Master has assigned me this" works fine, specifying name "my Master, diana_coman, assigned" also works fine, sure.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: thanks for the check&ack!
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that works, yes; it's using vtools too, so all good.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that was his first attempt at/with V so the code in there still has some problems; see the trackbacks at his post.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: just make sure not to make same mistakes at least, lol
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: you might find useful esthlos' report on V implementation in Lisp, as he discusses some details
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: it's clearly something that got recently messed up on therealbitcoin.org and will likely get easily fixed when mod6 sees the ping on it
(ossasepia) diana_coman: whaack: that would be the foundation's mailing list so I pinged mod6 on it to see what's going on there; you can always check archive.is as well, just in case; other than that though, do be aware that some of those links may be outdated and that working V versions are available otherwise from their authors' website (.py is asciilifeform's)
(trilema) diana_coman: mod6: http://therealbitcoin.org/ml/btc-dev/2015-August/000160.html and similar gives 403; did those move somewhere else?
(trilema) diana_coman had a fox staring from the garden, only yest
(trilema) diana_coman: I can't quite imagine they'd have *that much/many* of either tbh
(trilema) diana_coman: morning mp_en_viaje
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-14#1006290 - esp here, being a learning place, messing ups are not exactly surprising, quite on the contrary; the important thing is what you do in response to it (and silence is a stupid - though common because easiest - response to it)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: and now ofc my blog is still offline grrrrr.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: one part of it is indeed "don't act towards a purpose" ; another part is knowing knowing what feelings are really useful for
(ossasepia) diana_coman: shrysr: btw the above is totally valid for you too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: more open with them than with random people, because you'll get way more useful feedback whether positive or negative
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-14#1006287 - aha; note however: 1. the fact that you care about *selected* people is a *good thing* really and it actually helps you to grow too but 2. the stupid part is precisely choosing to hide (aka protect your stupidity) yourself when interacting precisely with those whose opinion you value - it should be *exactly* the opposite, namely being
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-14#1006283 - and more generally because *they make better choices* than you; that's the very meaning of choosing them and of submitting *to them personally*: not some "perfection" but simply the fact that they are *better* than your current self.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/ossasepia/2019-10-14#1006282 - heh, how long until they register a key and find their way in here?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: for that matter perhaps it makes sense to mirror vpatches there too.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: for anyone interested, it's directly accessible via either url or IP ftp://logs.ossasepia.com or ftp://185.163.46.29/
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: re address for the mirror, after a bit of thinking, I can't quite see the reason to vhost and whatevers; it is what it is, namely a ftp mirror, so I enabled anonymous read-only on it as the most logical approach really.
(trilema) diana_coman: ftp://logs.ossasepia.com/ - I've setup a ftp mirror for asciilifeform as he currently has only the slow loper-os; he already uploaded the dulap tarball; it has anonymous read-only access for anyone interested/having trouble with loper-os.
(trilema) diana_coman: asciilifeform: that smaller isp actually sounds human-like
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: how much time do you/did you spend weekly on this log-catch up thing anyway?
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: I'll ping you when it's done, yes; and np.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: you need to communicate more though; I can't see at this distance and (at least so far), you've been rather...closed, let's say.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: asciilifeform: not bad; at any rate, it should be useful at least as mirror if nothing else; good.
(trilema) diana_coman: http://logs.ossasepia.com/log/trilema/2019-10-13#1945106 - got around to it and can confirm I got it working on Intel too (with minimal changes of kernel config ie selecting Intel rather than AMD flags)
(ossasepia) diana_coman: jfw: what are you afraid of there? because that's what the above actually says.
(ossasepia) diana_coman: I guess so (re vhost); I'll add it to list for later today
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