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pete_dushenski: "Starting last month, New York City began tracking about 400 people's driving habits, including how much gas they use, when they drive, where they are, and how fast their cars go. The program, called "Drive Smart," promises drivers discounts of up to 30 percent on their Allstate auto insurance, as well as "incentive rewards valued at $25," according to the program website.
pete_dushenski: "The idea is to understand how people drive in the city"The program will also collect data on when a driver breaks hard or makes a sharp, fast turn. The idea, according to the New York Department of Transportation, is to understand how people drive in the city, in the hopes of solving traffic problems including NYC's famous gridlock."
pete_dushenski: goddam that hellhole. no different than asciilifeform's 'voluntary a/c turnoff'.
pete_dushenski: soon to be mandatory.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 04:11:39; asciilifeform: and for the predictable game of hopscotch through various 'voluntary', 'voluntary-compulsory', finally compulsory belt-tightenings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25370 @ 0.00073015 = 18.5239 BTC [-] {2}
mats: its a popular thing
mats: there are other car insurers who offer the device and will lower your rates if you drive predictably and safely
BingoBoingo: It is not a popular thing.
pete_dushenski: even if it were popular, that'd only put it in the facebook camp of 'retarded things lots of americans do because they're very nearly too stupid to breath and most definitely too stupid to know when they're being raped.'
pete_dushenski: fuck vehicle tracking
assbot: 24 results for 'from:asciilifeform wake me up when' - #bitcoin-assets search
pete_dushenski: then again, i say this as someone who wouldn't drive a car at all if i could only afford to drive a tracking beacon
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski, BingoBoingo: my understanding is that the tracking box is meant as a 'penal' thing for folks who had their rates go through the roof from chronically getting into wrecks - to try to get something like a sane price again
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I thought it was scam they used to keep Normal Ordinary Responsible People paying instead of switching insurers
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i have yet to see this kind of thing alive.
asciilifeform: and i live in the world scam capital.
BingoBoingo: I've seen commercials
BingoBoingo: But this seems more like a thing to turn reliable NORP customers into penal customers
asciilifeform: at one point there was a notion of selling insurance per-mile
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: hehe, presumably via "As to the second point, that America > Europe because the former is in any way free of its own rent-seeking mandarin class, to quote an alf, look no further than USGavin, Paul Graham, Blablalawsky and their continued ability to buy groceries and pay rent."
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: aha
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: norp ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> at one point there was a notion of selling insurance per-mile << I've got a letter offering to switch to this if had "onstar" or OBDII dongle
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Normal Ordinary Responsible Person
asciilifeform: vs what?
pete_dushenski: 'folks who had their rates go through the roof from chronically getting into wrecks '
assbot: Automotive Usage-Based Insurance (UBI) Market Report 2015-2025 Insurance Telematics and the Connected Car -- LONDON, August 11, 2015 /PRNewswire/ -- ... ( http://bit.ly/1VK2IWf )
asciilifeform: demented, extraordinary irresponsible chimp ?
BingoBoingo: <BingoBoingo> pete_dushenski: Normal Ordinary Responsible Person << vs. penal designated or blessed orcs
mats: >new 228 page report assesses that the global market for automotive usage-based insurance (UBI) will account for 21.7 million policyholders in 2015, a significant increase over the 12.2 million policyholders accounted for in 2014.
pete_dushenski: mats: do you have this ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> demented, extraordinary irresponsible chimp ? << pretty much
mats: no, I don't own a vehicle anymore
asciilifeform: per-mile insurance would be a good deal for some folks - who almost never drive
asciilifeform: e.g., my brother
mats: when I do drive (carsharing program), yes, it is armed
mats: I already own a smartphone, run Windows on a networked device for research work, operate computers downstream of pwned backbone, use credit cards, have bank account, and live in a city covered in public and private CCTV
mats: being afraid of GPS on car would be ridiculous.
pete_dushenski: for you. but you're nuts.
pete_dushenski: mats: but how comes the pgp keyserver ? will it also be zany ?
mats: am on iteration #3
pete_dushenski: any timeline on completion ?
mats: I thought it would be done two months ago
mats: am aiming for xmas.
pete_dushenski: do you have other projects on the go ?
mats: I'm looking for employment and reading intel manuals
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41200 @ 0.000733 = 30.1996 BTC [+] {6}
pete_dushenski: mats: what kind of work are you in search of ?
mats: jr sysadmin roles mostly
mats: what I'd like to be doing a year from now would be entry level appsec work
mats: so I'm fighting several battles on different fronts, lots of 17 hour days for the foreseeable future
mats: the smart play would be to take the next year off and study, produce projects, but it is hard to gauge how my competency will advance in that time
pete_dushenski: if you can afford the time off, i doubt a year of autodidacticism would be wasted.
pete_dushenski: "An Uberized education is when --as in antiquity -- one goes to a specific teacher to get lectures, bypassing the university. The students and the teachers are thus matched. If a piece of paper is necessary, it would be given by *that* teacher, or a group of teachers. It is not too different from the decentralized apprentice model." -herr taleb
pete_dushenski: though it'd obviously help if you had a teacher, mats
assbot: Interpreting the Animal Choices on the World's Most Popular Programming Books - The Awl ... ( http://bit.ly/1FuPfbE )
mats: I'm an anticipating an offer from a boston private univ with a number of decent security researchers so I will be hounding them given the opportunity
mats: also auditing some mit security courses but the instructors don't seem to have time for me
pete_dushenski: well, that's all for me this eve. bon soir !
mats: mebbe ill have more luck in the fall
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 137 @ 0.00841001 = 1.1522 BTC [-]
assbot: [TW: Not tumblr] Github disables repo for use of the word "retard" - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBbnIS )
assbot: BitBet - Connor McDavid will live up to the hype :: 0.2 B (16%) on Yes, 1.07 B (84%) on No | closing in 4 months 3 weeks | weight: 99`946 (100`000 to 25`000) ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKaf7t )
assbot: BitBet - The Hearn-Gavin scamcoin will fizzle in 2016 :: 101.11 B (98%) on Yes, 2.56 B (2%) on No | closing in 9 months 3 weeks | weight: 94`968 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1JoYZVq )
assbot: Malware Found Pre-Installed on Xiaomi, Huawei, Lenovo Phones ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKh219 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6436 @ 0.00073483 = 4.7294 BTC [+]
assbot: I found the AirBnB logo in Trademarks & Symbols of the World published in 1988 - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKj9C1 )
punkman: "was designed by Akisato Ueda for a Japanese drive-in called Azuma in 1975"
funkenstein_: deedbot-: http://dpaste.com/25TAZHG.txt
funkenstein_: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/25TAZHG.txt
funkenstein_: deedbot- http://dpaste.com/3BKKJB8.txt
deedbot-: accepted: 1
funkenstein_: thanks for support trinque, apologies for deedbot noobage
funkenstein_: punkman, lol
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266083 <-- bump :)
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 01:33:57; mircea_popescu: this is an essenmtial ingredient of all action. you have to, in some degree, in some shape, somewhere, not give a fuck.
funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265880 <-- i'd love to hear more about this one
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:39:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265166 << this happens to be exactly what they did the one time they did it.
funkenstein_ gets his kicks on bip66
funkenstein_: if I ever plan to rotor west
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8400 @ 0.00073758 = 6.1957 BTC [+]
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265671 http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=07-09-2015#1265675 ya never raced for pinks so that you could buy some racing slicks, racing manifold and defeat the king and win his corvette?
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 21:23:09; shinohai: BingoBoingo: https://i.imgur.com/PdzPuTM.jpg
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 21:24:39; analmaster: please provide some context
assbot: Inside Uber’s Fight With Its Chinese Nemesis, Didi Kuaidi - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NffMjB )
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266188 <<< pretty much stand on iphone.. patch notes always "bux fixes and improvements" and that's it, no actual list
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 03:03:42; pete_dushenski: i also read that microshit will no longer be detailing what's in its patches. just trust ! (tm)
cazalla: standard even
jurov: !rate mats 1 prolific coinbr user
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP: http://w.b-a.link/otp/2a776067de9fe727
jurov: !v assbot:jurov.rate.mats.1:308359bd6aec6767c989d08376a2b05806749428f6dd411c62465e418a03a293
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for mats with note: prolific coinbr user
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00073596 = 9.2731 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 245.03, Best ask: 245.09, Bid-ask spread: 0.06000, Last trade: 245.02, 24 hour volume: 13483.29700528, 24 hour low: 240.22, 24 hour high: 247.68, 24 hour vwap: None
shinohai: http://coinname.me/ <<< Poorly researched white papers and scam IPO not included.
assbot: Coin Name ... ( http://bit.ly/1iugyxO )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1700 @ 0.0007357 = 1.2507 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2200 @ 0.00073926 = 1.6264 BTC [+] {2}
funkenstein_: ;;later tell pete_dushenski thanks for reading and comments :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
funkenstein_: the vocabulary of "sleeve" as vehicle of consciousness originated in Richard K Morgan's "Takeshi Kovac" trilogy
funkenstein_: which while admittedly could be dismissed as cyberpunk pulp with a 7th grade vocabulary, I still claim kicks ass
funkenstein_: and has some of the best sex and violence this side of Sagittarius A
funkenstein_: and some scathing social commentary, which I believe if you are as much a fan of the writing of mircea_popescu as I am, you will enjoy
funkenstein_: As to the sabiduría indígena, it's not worth tying people down to lecture them any more than it is to stick bitcoins up some random grandmother's ass
funkenstein_: her ignorance can only be cured by intellectual curiosity, from which obtaining of relevant literature is sure to follow
funkenstein_: *Kovacs
funkenstein_: until then, she can stick with "usg is great because kills", "socialism is great because CERN", and "I am valuable because bipedal mouthbreather with below average epidermal albedo"
funkenstein_: a comfort zone I never found very compelling
funkenstein_ would like to hear what kind of "sept. 23" nonsense y'all have come across in dredging the intertubes
thestringpuller: !s asciilifeform password generation
assbot: 0 results for 'asciilifeform password generation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=asciilifeform+password+generation
shinohai: Finally my node makes it past height 300k \o/
thestringpuller: !s asciilifeform passphrase generation
assbot: 0 results for 'asciilifeform passphrase generation' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=asciilifeform+passphrase+generation
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: any recommendations on this subject?
asciilifeform: what exactly is the objective ?
asciilifeform: (i.e. does it need to be human-memorable?)
thestringpuller: do you mind explaining difference in proper methodology for both? (non-human memorable and human memorable)
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: if non-memorable, then just take favourite rng and encode output in such a way that it can be re-entered via a keyboard
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265949 << it's even better than you could possibly know, alf. the things can be had for being white, female, and taking 50k in loans out per year while studying art.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:59:04; asciilifeform: trinque: 10 to 1 odds the card is her mother's
asciilifeform: as for memorable passwords, i cannot possibly give any useful advice other than 'know more than one and preferably more than two languages'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: what about pi memorization method? Make non human readable and just memorize it like trying to go for exam.
asciilifeform: also works. it is an intensely personal matter
asciilifeform: learn basic 'mnemonism' if you have not already learned.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18000 @ 0.00074001 = 13.3202 BTC [+] {5}
Naphex: o/
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266312 << eg me, who drives a car with no antilock brakes and all of the weight in the front
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 04:44:31; asciilifeform: demented, extraordinary irresponsible chimp ?
ben_vulpes: morning, mike_c
mike_c: good morning
thestringpuller: you west coasters
thestringpuller: it's almost lunch time here
Naphex: lmao.. so streamium after spamming reddit for months with their angular app. Decide to throw a sissy fit on reddit and play butthurt because of... downvotes :o
assbot: PSA: in the last few days, someone has been spamming a (probably fraudulent, or at least very dishonest) proprietary webcam streaming site advertisements to /r/bitcoin and downvoting any mentions of an open-source decentralized alternative. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1KC9ag8 )
Naphex: for the lulz
shinohai: lol Naphex good one.
shinohai: I loved how they pushed that shit so hard for weeks and 99% of the time it never worked.
shinohai offers streamium a Band-Aid for teh butthurt ( ::: [ ] ::: )
Naphex: hehe
Naphex: and that's why i'm guessing they are getting downvoted
Naphex: fun thing is streamium guys were all on xotika
Naphex: and tried to get models to do streamium
Naphex: oh come use streamium, you get 100%
Naphex: oh well atleast i loled
Naphex: i'll copy the bandaid and pass it on
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: David R. Stoutemyer - Google Scholar Citations ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ng3XJR )
ascii_field: but go and find most of'em
ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al: i have been searching, in vain, for a means to contact stoutemyer. seems like he's gone full-bore knuth and has no published means of contact at all...
ascii_field: i would like to try to convince david stoutmemyer to publish 'derive' src, or albert rich to publish 'mulisp''s
ascii_field: very doubtful that anything will come of it, but at present time no one, afaik, has so much as asked them.
Apocalyptic: !up ascii_field
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, any handy tricks to boot that derive img with qemu ?
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: qemu-system-x86_64 -fda image.img
Apocalyptic: same result as with qemu-system-i386 that I originally tried, SeaBios fails with "Non-system disk or disk error"
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: did you ungzip it ?
Apocalyptic: although qemu warns about "prohibiting raw", I guess that's the bugger, will investigate it...
Apocalyptic: ascii_field, please :)
ascii_field: and make sure my pgp sig verifies.
Apocalyptic: "WARNING: Image format was not specified for 'derive_and_more.img' and probing guessed raw." for reference
ascii_field: Apocalyptic: did not answer my questions
ascii_field: 1) did you ungzip it 2) did you verify my pgp sig
Apocalyptic: yes I did ungzip it
Apocalyptic: I will proceed to verify the sig
ascii_field: also what ver qemu ?
ascii_field: on your box
Apocalyptic: QEMU emulator version 2.4.0
ascii_field: and did you run -fda image.img
ascii_field: because -hda will not work.
ascii_field: btw this is a 100% standard bootable floppy image created by genuine msdos 6.22
Apocalyptic: crap that was it, thank you
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: Ghost Got Secrets - Ghostbin's Guts Part 1 | Lavalamp's Blog ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuSEC9 )
shinohai: !up ascii_field
assbot: therealmik/batchgcd · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1iuVPtA )
trinque: ;;later tell mircea_popescu made some updates to deedbot.org, added F.A.Q. which will grow more today. Of particular note, more sensible URLs, and a separate download for each bundle as it was hashed.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: http://dpaste.com/2N3RCW3.txt << example gen-addr.py, using pybitcointools
trinque: I'll probably write my own eventually so to not rely on a 3rd party module, but works fine
trinque: http://deedbot.org/deed-372589-1.txt << example deed URL; this bundle had two total
trinque: all previous URL schemes will continue to work.
assbot: Know Your Language: C Rules Everything Around Me (Part One) | Motherboard ... ( http://bit.ly/1PZsj9L )
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261766 << The Bible has the best rules. I would much rather live in a kingdom that enforced Old Testement law on its citizens
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:08:37; trinque: phf: I can see that point, but I see the problem as a matter of what rules are imposed, not that they are imposed.
ascii_field: danielpbarron: before you move there, verify that none of your clothing is made of mixed fiber...
danielpbarron: well I'm not a Levite so..
ascii_field: could prove embarrassing, to be stoned to death in the public square for such a rookie mistake
danielpbarron: I should be stoned to death for adultery
danielpbarron: so that bridge is already crossed
ascii_field: iirc that one can already be arranged in a few places
ascii_field: make an appointment
danielpbarron: I'd happily be the first stoned in the newly formed Christian kingdom
trinque: danielpbarron: I would approve of a sensible set of rules imposed in small (say city-sized) geographic areas, not necessarily Old Testament.
trinque: common people left to their own devices have no idea how to live.
danielpbarron: the places that execute adulterers also forbid actually practicing Christianity -- not allowed to say that Islam is a false religion that leads millions to hell
shinohai: I propose that reps from all major world religions duke it out in cage match so I know which one to follow.
jurov: danielpbarron: Old Toastament != Christian
jurov: you want orthodox judaism... and not sure one can actually convert to
shinohai: !up ascii_field
jurov: And it shall come to pass as it was written "Leviticus 20:13 If a man lays with another man, he should be stoned" - that marijuana and gay merriage were legalized on the same day
shinohai: If God wanted me to worship him, surely he would send me an email or something.
jurov: shinohai: check your spam folder
jurov: He wishes to improve your manhood!
shinohai checks spam folder, pants ...
shinohai: I'll make a 1GOD vanitygen address. If 1 BTC magically appears on it then there's my proof.
jurov: that won't be magical
shinohai: I would do 1Jehovah but that would take too long to mine.
jurov: magical would be if you made 1IAcceptJesusAsMyL0rd14527 , received btc there and were able to spend it :)
ascii_field: reminds me of a suspicion i've had,
shinohai: lol jurov
ascii_field: that if hugh everett were alive today, he might build a machine that tests rng output for being the privkey to a fat btc balance, and shoots him in the head if it fails
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 01:33:39; mircea_popescu: they're just numerous and don't give a fuck.
jurov: yes, had in mind to check linux /dev/urandom without any entropy source in such a way
ascii_field: if everett's picture of consciousness were to turn out physically real, he would remain alive and obscenely loaded in the branch where the bits resolved to the key.
Naphex: XOtika.tv report (for the interested): Opened for 3 months, 43.6588 BTC total tipped. 3 BTC the largest single tip; 28348 sessions started, 563 members registered, 263 channels created. 0.7751 BTC payout towards affiliates.
jurov: Naphex: aiming for mpex ipo?
jurov: !t m S.XOTI
assbot: Aren't those tins of tobacco right there behind you?
Naphex: jurov: yep
Naphex: want to build the user base and product more
Naphex: before
ascii_field: https://cpunks.org/pipermail/cypherpunks/2015-September/009048.html << now i see what mircea_popescu meant, re: gutmann
assbot: Possible crypto backdoor in RFC-2631 Diffie-Hellman Key Agreement Method ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVTzoS )
shinohai: btw if God sends me BTC jurov, I will definitely deposit to coinbr. Divine coin is sure to grow.
assbot: Barrett Brown vs. the Dept of Justice – Defining the Right To Link ... ( http://bit.ly/1LVUbef )
thestringpuller: i love how people think the consumer matters
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18458 @ 0.00074167 = 13.6897 BTC [+] {3}
thestringpuller: ;;google site:trilema.com consumer has come to expect
gribble: The mobile "revolution", or what consumers have come to expect on ...: <http://trilema.com/2014/the-mobile-revolution-or-what-consumers-have-come-to-expect/>; What the actual threat of the medicalisation of individuality looks like ...: <http://trilema.com/what-the-actual-threat-of-the-medicalisation-of-individuality-looks-like>; Bitcoin prices, Bitcoin inflexibility on Trilema (1 more message)
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Open Fabs ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHDWrM )
mircea_popescu: trinque nice!
assbot: Jim Bell vindicated ... ( http://bit.ly/1Lidfk1 )
funkenstein_: gaming!
punkman: ascii_field: what did Jim Bell do?
ascii_field: punkman: wrote 'assassination politics' essay.
ascii_field: punkman: usg then 'sewed a case' for him and jailed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6300 @ 0.0007419 = 4.674 BTC [+]
funkenstein_: is there any hope for augur.net?
mircea_popescu: what is augur.net ?
funkenstein_: decentralized prediction market, or so claims
funkenstein_: :( well i suppose an act of purest optimism for me to have asked
mircea_popescu: that's not the exact quote :)
mircea_popescu: they're brits, see ? "to have asked in the first place"
funkenstein_: aha thank you
funkenstein_: tell me sir, do you in fact have any decentralized prediction market at all?
funkenstein_: "crowdfund" + glossy website and I didn't look further
mircea_popescu: "market" and "decentralized" go together like "great guy with a great sense of humor that will treat you with the respect you deserve" and "a lot of sex"
funkenstein_: rofl
mircea_popescu: every[one,twerp,clueless derp,idiot,internet dog] thinks this is how it goes. and you hear about it, because [somehow] they have all the time in the world to tell you it is so.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, markets are by definition centralized. this is what they do : they centralize trade. you wish decentralized, stick to barter.
funkenstein_: I have noticed markets are places that people go, rather than vice versa
mircea_popescu: (and the reason there isn't such a thing as "a barter market" should be illuminating for the whole thing)
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8702 << a bit schizo but overall logic is there.
assbot: črypto is finished... and it's about time × (also: 'Balrog' malnet, firsthand view) - cryptostorm's community forum ... ( http://bit.ly/1LifQur )
ascii_field: 'Corruptor-Injector Networks'
ascii_field: thing is (and not much of a spoiler) - it reads 100% shannonized.
ascii_field: one of the necessary things a wot will do for the 'cpunks' folks, if they have collectively half a brain, is to weed out the schizos
ascii_field: it is they who are (whether aware of it or not) usg's intellectual shock troops
ascii_field: as per the 'crank bait' thread.
Apocalyptic: shinohai, lol, where is that from ?
shinohai: was browsing imgur. Left me wtf
shinohai: Must be a question on the applied mathematics section of Andrew Miller's bitcoin exam.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11250 @ 0.00074122 = 8.3387 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: jurov> danielpbarron: Old Toastament != Christian << uh.. yes it most certainly is. What is called judaism today is a false religion that split off in rejection of Christ
mike_c: Naphex: congrats! that's a great first few months.
Naphex: mike_c: thanks! you never /msg'd me about that
jurov: hasn't Christ put in place new commandments that makes all the rules in Leviticus (and these were for priests, anyway) obsolete?
mike_c: I did not, sorry. I decided to use a crappy subsitute for the moment, and if things work out then talk to you about getting something better.
Naphex: rgr, well any time
danielpbarron: jurov, salvation is not achieved through strict adherence to the OT law, but it is still good law to enforce
BingoBoingo likes mixed fiber cloth too much for danielpbarron land
mats: my mother is on a missionary trip in myanmar
mats: i don't have the heart to tell her she's a tourist
mats: orc sight-seeing
kakobrekla: yeah salvation is achieved by killing infidels.
shinohai: Allah snackbar
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
danielpbarron: salvation is achieved by believing The Bible, and only God can make you do that
kakobrekla: cause santa said so.
mats: alright, man
danielpbarron: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261836 << this is true. Most self-described Christians are on the broad path to hell
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:41:27; phf: trinque: modern christian position on divorce, on a role of a woman in household, on a role of man in household, on premarital sex, all sham. fundamentally there's no belief in the bible. no first world christian guy would even consider living according to bible in, say, muslim style. so what constitutes badassery? hunting from a back of a pickup, or "i was linebacker 30 years ago"?
kakobrekla: and all self described christians are delusional
mats: shots fired
jurov: 99% of bible material was invented by sumerians and egyptians first, anyway
kakobrekla: NO IT WAS JEEBUS!
kakobrekla: santa did the footnotes tho
Naphex: :D
danielpbarron: santa isn't mentioned in the Bible at all. that and the whole christmas thing are totally wicked abominations. see: http://www.atruechurch.info/christmas.html
assbot: A True Church - Christmas ... ( http://bit.ly/1hUKIJM )
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: i heard jesus was born in the summer.
thestringpuller: “Actually Grandad Christmas is a pagan holiday and Jesus probably hates you for celebrating it.”
thestringpuller: “The truth is Christmas evolved from the Roman holiday Saturnalia, a winter festival where men gave gifts to each other. They also would get drunk, have sex with each other and beat their wives”
ben_vulpes: i'm enjoying watching the bible thumper and windows enthusiast go at each other
mats: am i the windows enthusiast
mats: or is it thestringpuller
ben_vulpes: "if you have to ask" (tm)
jurov: what's surprising on christmas being pagan winter solstice adoption?
mats: you hate me
thestringpuller: that was a quote from "The Boondocks" (tm)
mircea_popescu will have to make a 2nd pass on alf's link
mircea_popescu: mike_c where do you see ?
mike_c: mircea_popescu: hm? did you mean me?
mircea_popescu: yeah, wheredja see naphex's first months or wut ?
mike_c: oh, 20 lines up. 43 btc in tips 1st 3 months
mircea_popescu: oh oh. /me gets to reading log.
BingoBoingo: Isn't santa the one who tells Jebus to pick on Steve Job
assbot: Feminist research fellow: Put all men 'in some kind of camp' - The College Fix ... ( http://bit.ly/1hUOent )
mircea_popescu: yeah. the some kind of camp is called "the world".
mircea_popescu: and the feminists can get back to the gyneceum any time nao.
trinque: http://www.radfemcollective.org/ << "positively revolting women" ahahahha
assbot: RadFem Collective ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHVYKy )
trinque: what more needs be said?
mircea_popescu: it is kinda lulzy.
assbot: Waste of some geodes seen in a gift shop at Niagara Falls - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1XHWlEJ )
trinque: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266584 << can almost smell the sweat reading this. excellent propaganda re: "nothing is beyond our reach"
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 20:18:47; ascii_field: https://cryptostorm.org/viewtopic.php?f=67&t=8702 << a bit schizo but overall logic is there.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> and the feminists can get back to the gyneceum any time nao. << Get with the times. It is called the GynoDome Sponsored by Hoveround Mobility Scooters now.
mircea_popescu: heh mkay.
mircea_popescu: wow check that out, the drawing chick delivered. anyone in europe want to send 100 euros via sepa for me plox ?
mircea_popescu: jurov ? davout ? williamdunne ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, im disqualifying the whole production on the basis of the following quote :
mircea_popescu: " err I mean "searching the web," is enough to turn up some pretty solid knowledge on any imaginable infosec topic, from post-quantum cryptographic systems to gritty OpSec-spy advice, and off to baked-in processor hardware attack models."
mircea_popescu: the fact that they list 3 items, all three being from the list of usg-pretend-issues as opposed to the list of actual issues resolves to my mind the propaganda vs information dilemma. this is in no way related to reality, and entirely the result of how someoine wants reality to appear. any similarities to actual reality being purely coincidental.
mircea_popescu: seriously, not even MENTION the bios, or the hard drive firmware ?
mircea_popescu: obviously they don't want the actual holes to be known, but sticking to their wants so closely begets failure.
mircea_popescu: i'm thus marking cryptostorm as a russia today of another failgroup.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266284 << i r lulzed at the "Valued at $25". srsly ? that's what, 1/10000 of yearly rent ? lkulz.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 04:07:26; pete_dushenski: soon to be mandatory.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266302 <<< that's definitely where this is headed.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 04:42:36; asciilifeform: at one point there was a notion of selling insurance per-mile
mircea_popescu: somehow they don't insure people per-pound, because women are fat. but they want to sell insurance per mile. because the people who drive more also don't hold their knees together in the subway.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 04:59:50; mats: I thought it would be done two months ago
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266334 << listen, here's a plan : move to mongolia, or any of the stans. you're close enough to china to acclimate and also in a sane place. rent a chunk of a local dc and do sysadmin for it.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 05:08:53; mats: jr sysadmin roles mostly
mircea_popescu: you wanna go ?
deedbot-: [Trilema] The importance of backups, from the other side. - http://trilema.com/2015/the-importance-of-backups-from-the-other-side/
mats: looks like a good plan. in a few years.
mircea_popescu: https://imgur.com/QC51FZz << dude , the fact that anyone EVEN CONSIDERS using retarded github after something like this...
assbot: [TW: Not tumblr] Github disables repo for use of the word "retard" - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KBbnIS )
mircea_popescu: im going to start negrating people for having github stuff.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266360 << for the record this is pretty much how a third to a half of "start-ups" get a logo afaik.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 07:18:40; assbot: I found the AirBnB logo in Trademarks & Symbols of the World published in 1988 - Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKj9C1 )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266374 << seafaring people discovered new world, collected protons, went home.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 07:53:01; funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1265880 <-- i'd love to hear more about this one
funkenstein_: aha
mircea_popescu: for the record, albedo measures reflectivity. below average albedo would mean she's brown. that what you meant ?
funkenstein_: well starfaring peoples might have different motivations and abilities, but I probably shouldn't speculate
funkenstein_: er, I spoke in error
funkenstein_: thanks
funkenstein_: works either way though
TheNewDeal: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-08-2015#1250716 I saw this off much too late. I'm typically trying to partially sell out my own positions in profitable/risky bets that I have made
assbot: Logged on 24-08-2015 20:45:03; mircea_popescu: ;;later tell TheNewDeal care to make me an offer on https://bitbet.us/bet/1188/dow-jones-industrial-average-dji-to-drop-below/#b18 ? :D
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 14:53:35; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266312 << eg me, who drives a car with no antilock brakes and all of the weight in the front
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal so you don't buy, just sell ?
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 15:51:13; Naphex: lmao.. so streamium after spamming reddit for months with their angular app. Decide to throw a sissy fit on reddit and play butthurt because of... downvotes :o
TheNewDeal: I may be interested in making offers
mircea_popescu: "In these threads, messages advertising xotika.tv get enormous number of upvotes very fast (way too fast to be legitimate) and the site itself is a fraud - there are a number of different links advertised, for example...:"
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> ... << that's just nuts. why no abs ? << ben_vulpes has a vehicle too old for it
mircea_popescu: oh xotika is a fraud now ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yeah but i mean... that's kinda like the house too old for plumbing.
mircea_popescu: but i lulzed at the "open source decentralized" derp's butthurt.
BingoBoingo: Some houses are too old to economically get plumbing
mircea_popescu: such great sense of humor and stuff, too. whai no success!
shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266695 <<< Another shitty cam stream for btc service which never worked.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:58:27; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266439 << what the fuck is a streamium
TheNewDeal: i'll pay you .146 for that whole position of 1 BTC @ 65k
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them.\
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 16:47:09; ascii_field: mircea_popescu et al: i have been searching, in vain, for a means to contact stoutemyer. seems like he's gone full-bore knuth and has no published means of contact at all...
TheNewDeal: gotta be jewish though, I've already taken the other side
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal i actually like it > 1 btc.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 16:54:55; ascii_field: very doubtful that anything will come of it, but at present time no one, afaik, has so much as asked them.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266473 << do that first form now on. best habit you could form for your future hapiness. sig verify goes first.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 17:19:43; Apocalyptic: I will proceed to verify the sig
TheNewDeal: I'm just going to ride it out, right now I'm getting paid out of the bet ends No
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266506 <<< wow, picking up blondies at porcfest works that well, huh.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 18:42:26; danielpbarron: so that bridge is already crossed
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266534 << the final population of the universe is thus one. just, not the same one across the multiverses.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 19:06:41; ascii_field: if everett's picture of consciousness were to turn out physically real, he would remain alive and obscenely loaded in the branch where the bits resolved to the key.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 19:09:39; Naphex: jurov: yep
cazalla: i thought it was only adultery if you are married
mircea_popescu: no. adultery is when you are fucking other than your wife.
cazalla: danielpbarron is married?
mircea_popescu: no, hence his conclusion.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: who knows what 0days lurk in the abs controller.
ben_vulpes: this car has no (zero!) robots in between me and the wheels.
ben_vulpes: i forgot this the other day.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266659 << lol didja miss the part where i said it is a shannonized output ?
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:36:14; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ftr, im disqualifying the whole production on the basis of the following quote :
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266672 << mongolia has what, tcp-over-dead-goat modem ?
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 21:46:05; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266334 << listen, here's a plan : move to mongolia, or any of the stans. you're close enough to china to acclimate and also in a sane place. rent a chunk of a local dc and do sysadmin for it.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266708 << i don't know for a fact that s. is alive
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 22:01:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266458 << the principal way through which the usg world of chimps succeeds is by getting the intelligent people to withdraw rather than kill them.\
assbot: LegbaCore ... ( http://bit.ly/1NowuhV )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i guess i must have.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller gotta love it whgen you try to explain a few points to a redditard and he comes back with pure "i don't want to think!!!" on a stick.
TheNewDeal: !down
TheNewDeal: !down TheNewDeal
BingoBoingo has a few million satoshis on Venus to beat Serena. It's been a while, so might as well try this again to remind myself why I stopped.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa - http://qntra.net/2015/09/consumers-begin-revolting-bitcoin-is-not-visa/
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, wise words, indeed I should have
ben_vulpes: mats: why do you think i hate you?
ben_vulpes: do you think that i hate danielpbarron?
danielpbarron: cazalla> danielpbarron is married? << lol no. Adultery is when a woman sleeps with a man who isn't her husband
mats: ben_vulpes: just joking.
shinohai: danielpbarron be unmarried, that would be *fornication*
ben_vulpes: more baffled than anything some days, mats.
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu> wow, picking up blondies at porcfest works that well, huh. << hah. I was referring to my past when I didn't yet believe in The Bible
ben_vulpes: specially the winblet line - that really blew my stack
mats: winblet?
danielpbarron: shinohai, the key is that the chicks had already been with other dudes who they then should have married. To be honest, I'm not sure if it counts as adultery or not.
trinque: danielpbarron: my reading of the thing suggests that's more or less the rule
trinque: fuck a virgin; you're supposed to marry her
trinque: but it does seem to lean heavily on whatever the commonly held ideas at the time were re: sex
danielpbarron: it's the right thing to do, to offer the ex-virgin's father payment for her hand in marriage
ben_vulpes: eh, just pay for the children.
danielpbarron: another key point is that it is never the virgin who is the victim; it's either her father or her husband. So the modern notion of "cheating" does not apply. It's not adultery for a married man to have sex with another woman so long as she isn't also married to another man
ben_vulpes: convenient solution is available if you take the girl and her kids
ben_vulpes: but what about the girls' agency, danielpbarron?!!!1ONE!?
danielpbarron: no such thing
assbot: Supporters of a Proposal to Upgrade Bitcoin’s Capacity Say Their Computers Are Being Attacked | MIT Technology Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMmHDR )
trinque: dirty tricks!
trinque: shinohai: MIT Tech Review are known scum.
trinque: they have been shilling for Gavin/Hearn and XT since the beginning
trinque: !s from:trinque technologyreview.com
assbot: 0 results for 'from:trinque technologyreview.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Atrinque+technologyreview.com
shinohai: I know, more sour grapes from that camp :D
assbot: Logged on 28-08-2015 23:49:32; trinque: http://www.technologyreview.com/news/540921/the-looming-problem-that-could-kill-bitcoin/ << front page, MIT Tech Review are scum.
trinque: search is a turd
shinohai: The XT camps released their experimental binaries with the "stealth" feature today. Everyone is gushing over that atm.
trinque: shinohai: aka they can lie about their numbers now?
shinohai: That or just flat-out lie about what client they are.
trinque: I mean, the XT scumbags can lie about how many are in-field
shinohai: wait, binary announcement was yesterday: https://redd.it/3jzylu
assbot: Please help test 0.11B pre-release binaries (linux64 only for now) : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoBwev )
trinque: ahaha, anyone who runs that deserves what they get
trinque: binary releases..
shinohai: Don't even bother to sign them :/
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2015 07:16:33; trinque: you want to build your visa? build it on bitcoin, but don't systemd the thing and decide it must have a visa built in
assbot: Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMnHYs )
trinque: heh bitcoinctl incoming
assbot: bitcoinxt/gitian.sigs · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NoCA1J )
shinohai: I meant the precompiled binary they threw up on reddit midnightmagic
trinque: I'm plainly accusing Hearn of not being above putting something malicious in a binary, aside from the gunk they're putting in the source.
ben_vulpes: who needs agency, when you have bad opsec?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.0007418 = 11.8688 BTC [+]
midnightmagic: built-in sigs are not very WoT-friendly. Without gitian-gverify'ing a binary, the same thing is technically true from the perspective of people running the main bitcoin bins
BingoBoingo: Who would even use a QT client without compiling it so they could put in coin-control???
midnightmagic: trinque: It would be interesting, but he would instantly submarine the entire effort for sure.
midnightmagic: :-o only mike and gavin are publishing gitian sigs for the result. On the small chance they are doing something sneaky, if you gitian and find a mismatch, you could kill xt in about 20 minutes of compile-time per-release.
trinque: really depends on the difference between weakening in some subtle way vs putting some explicit back-door
trinque: but sure, something overt would be tactically stupid on their part
midnightmagic: true enough
midnightmagic: They've claimed that with the microscope on their efforts looking for bugs to discredit them, that this translates into equivalent-to-normal-auditing. (??)
shinohai: I don't even need a microscope. Naked eye working fine thus far.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22341 @ 0.00074272 = 16.5931 BTC [+] {4}
BingoBoingo: Cmon Venus, beat that orc serena
BingoBoingo: !up pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: oh the williams sisters are going at it in a major ? that doesn't happen often enough
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I'm not watching it, just bet. Watching "To Catch a Contractor" instead
pete_dushenski: aha. is that a show or a movie then ?
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: It's a show, a true gem. Really destroys one's faith in American real estate
pete_dushenski: i've been trying to put my finger on this mats guy for a while, ever since the decimation episode, and i think i've distilled it. without further ado :
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assbot: 6 results for 'from:mats drama' - #bitcoin-assets search
BingoBoingo: Features Adam Corolla, also known as low rent Tim Allen
pete_dushenski: !v assbot:pete_dushenski.rate.mats.-1:33fbc075d363f966c5a2041fe3ce19f176f71eec14fdd72e3cdee9400bc41912
assbot: Successfully added a rating of -1 for mats with note: drama queen http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=from%3Amats+drama
BingoBoingo: !rated mats
assbot: You rated user mats on 28-Aug-2015, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: Around a while in various forms.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 05:46:51; mats: you hate me
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 01:00:03; mats: your mom
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 20:54:05; mats: shots fired
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 00:33:47; mats: whoa, whoa, such cynicism
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 21:45:54; mats: this is not reassuring
pete_dushenski: i get the sense that it's more than sarcasm coming from mats and i dun take kindly to it.
BingoBoingo: At least this is the healthy sort of dissent
ben_vulpes frowns.
pete_dushenski: it's not like i expect him to go anywhere a la pankkake, tat, or decimation, but i don't trust him.
cazalla: logged into the qntra twitter account.. http://i.imgur.com/lBu5pin.png and then! http://i.imgur.com/lrMj3py.png
pete_dushenski: cazalla: they say it's lonely at the top
ben_vulpes: not really how this is supposed to work.
cazalla: i like how the text "no thanks" and "yes" are smaller than big blue buttons that work in their favour
BingoBoingo: I think mats is getting polish. He claims a knowledge base which explains a lotta cognitive dissonance that appears on subjects like ASLR (For the record I use an OS with ASLR by default)
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: dude's manufacturing discontent. what.
BingoBoingo learned more in fewer spans than those in which asciilifeform and mats have discursively danced. I really clear up what the traditional common wisdom has been.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Why do we need to find people?
pete_dushenski: http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/ << A) A Culture of Honor in part 6 aptly describes the wot
assbot: Where microaggressions really come from: A sociological account | The Righteous Mind ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8kylG )
cazalla: BingoBoingo, we don't, but apparently our friends are finding it difficult to find us
pete_dushenski: www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-09-08/russia-s-main-bourse-says-trading-halted-across-all-markets << usians not the only ones with 'blow-off valves'
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Well, maybe we celebrate our fifth birthday with a 500 kilowatt AM station?
cazalla: we could use my 5 watts for 1st birthday but.. no licence lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12650 @ 0.00074423 = 9.4145 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Wouldn't be the same unless we got the money to hire a hot chick to read it
BingoBoingo: !up benkay
BingoBoingo: benkay: On webchat?
benkay: what discontent pete
benkay: bb mhm
benkay: and what moreove is wrong with it
benkay: you want further homogeneity? in the cult?
mircea_popescu: !up Jrum
benkay: additionally, i do not see substantiation of the drama claims.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266760 << the idea of children being -ev is so counter-historical.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 23:36:03; ben_vulpes: eh, just pay for the children.
BingoBoingo has yet to see pete_dushenski talk about wishes to leave a tract of geography disputed by two Satans
mircea_popescu: "s-as-effort-to-rescue-bitcoin-falters" hahahaha WHAT ?
mircea_popescu: they didn't manage to save it like syria or wut ?
benkay: i retain hope mine'll be +ev. like my wife. unlike anyone elses.
BingoBoingo: No, Greece and Hungary are supposed to save Syria by becoming Syria mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: !s from:trinque technologyreview
assbot: 0 results for 'from:trinque technologyreview' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Atrinque+technologyreview
benkay: (apparently)
mircea_popescu: hope is what the world spins on.
pete_dushenski: benkay: what happened to the 'ben_vulpes
pete_dushenski: *' experiment ?
BingoBoingo guessing ben_vulpes is at a bar
pete_dushenski: "I thought the support BitcoinXT had was way bigger because of so many people praising it on /r/Bitcoin. I wanted to help scale bitcoin so I spent about $200 to set up 10 BitcoinXT nodes for a month."
pete_dushenski: "The $200 I spent was almost 1/3 of my bitcoin savings and I regret wasting my money on this. Maybe I will keep running BitcoinXT at home but I haven't decided."
assbot: The number of XT blocks in the last 1000 is almost back to zero : bitcoinxt ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8mz1l )
shinohai: LOL pete_dushenski thanks for logging that
danielpbarron: hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone
pete_dushenski: shinohai: np :)
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: and sounds like you've made a pretty penny off that investment too
danielpbarron: we'll see
danielpbarron: i win all the auctions -- doesn't mean i'm profiting :/
shinohai: I spent most of my BTC on stuff I *still use*
shinohai: Not fleeting fads
mats: ah, my first neg rate
pete_dushenski: danielpbarron: very true.
BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone << Exchange rate adjusted I have spent more drinking at 2nd Mardi gras
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: what, did the nick disconnect while i wasn't looking?
danielpbarron: not sure if shinohai's comment is directed at Eulora, but it's 1) not fleeting and 2) i still have the stuff i bought
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: looks like, ya
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: I hope you are at least reading EVE-Online history
shinohai: No danielpbarron not directed at you or Eulora, at XT
ben_vulpes: pete_dushenski: the "experiment", i mean.
BingoBoingo: <mats> ah, my first neg rate << a test and a milestone
shinohai: Euora I would consider a good investment, and will when I buy my next computer
mats: in the service of that note, i can't say i particularly care about a guy whose chief 'contribution' is blathering at length on a blog
mats: carry on
BingoBoingo: Oh Shit
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: benkay has left IRC (Ping timeout: 246 seconds)
BingoBoingo: God Damn, Let me see those hips swing
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> benkay: what happened to the 'ben_vulpes
ben_vulpes: <pete_dushenski> *' experiment ?
ben_vulpes: experiment.
ben_vulpes: did it disconnect?
trinque wonders wtf is going on
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: i just saw 'benkay' logged in and was inquiring, as i hadn't seen that handle in a coon's age.
BingoBoingo: Everything and nothing is going on. Which is why mircea_popescu's Bitcoin exam will eventually need metaphysics and biology sections
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> ben_vulpes: i just saw 'benkay' logged in and was inquiring, as i hadn't seen that handle in a coon's age. << Coon vernacular for that period of time is "a minute" now
pete_dushenski: for serial ?
pete_dushenski: so coon's age is a short time period ??
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Nah, just a minute is a long time nao
danielpbarron: no, a "minute" is a long time in the retarded brains of today's youth
danielpbarron: a vine clip is 6 seconds and that's already pushing it
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Nah, just in the minds of the Urban youth blessed by the #gayfish in chief
pete_dushenski: ;;ud coon's age
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Coons+Age | Jonny, I haven't see you in a coon's age, How the hell are you? by Tbone ... I've been waiting a Coon's Age for you to get your sorry keister out of the bathroom!
ben_vulpes: anyways, pete_dushenski, i'd love to talk some day when you've got something other than "lol ur handle bro" lined up
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> ;;ud coon's age << But biologically a coon's maximum lifespan is 18 months to 36 months
ben_vulpes dosimieter
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: You should try the newsmines
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: wasn't lolin' man, was just wondering what the occasion was !
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266855 << not particularly. but the disagreement should be productive, not 'please explain why i shouldn't use winbloze' level
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:55:08; benkay: you want further homogeneity? in the cult?
asciilifeform: dulap therealbitcoin node going down starting now.
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: and i'm none too amused by 'oh no she didn't' 'oh yes she did' banter either
pete_dushenski: it's not helpful and it's not constructive
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: dulap removed from -addnode on my machines, restarted
mats: howbout reasons why win10 ain't so bad as win7, 8, 8.1.
assbot: attactics[dot]org: Extracting Hashes & Plaintext Passwords from Windows 10 ... ( http://bit.ly/1g8oQJK )
mats: not because i'm trying to convince anyone to use it, but maybe, zoological purposes
mats: seems nobody is really talking about how 'CFG' is enabled by default in win10
mats: 'control flow guard', which verifies functions at call sites, ensuring target is in fact a function.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.0007418 = 18.545 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Telemetry kinda kills Win 10, but now also kills Win 8 and 7
mats: there are also new security features that have been rolled out over the last year, ie, isolated heap and deferred free lists
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu you've got mail
gribble: The operation succeeded.
pete_dushenski: well, choir practise beckons, gents. hasta luego!
shinohai: Nos veremos
mats: the CFG implementation is quite weak based on a cursory inspection, but in general all this stuff raises the cost of attack
mircea_popescu: mats which incidentally is a valid point re your earlier "gps beacon" considerations.
mircea_popescu: resistence is not about DOING anything, but merely preventing the enemy from doing his stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: so yes, even with the cctv bla bla. not driving a gps beacon is that much better.
asciilifeform: mats: how does any of it raise the cost of usg using its dedicated pwnholes ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
mats: it doesn't. but random passerby has to spend a shiny dime for the privilege of diddling your box
mircea_popescu: those are least concern tho
mats: i have never ventured the opinion these mitigations actually defend against MS, INTC, USG, etc...
mircea_popescu: what good are they then ?
mircea_popescu: there is no enemy but the enemy.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> those are least concern tho << I'm not sure least concern. Lesser concern, yes. Probably by attack frequency not least.
mats: i'm a researcher. not a defender offering his opinion on how to defend a winbox.
mircea_popescu: ah now that's a point
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No point being able to beat full USG if vulnerable to papersigners like new look voorhes and shren at the same time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19722 @ 0.00074179 = 14.6296 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the idea there is that in any situation of scarce resources, you pick the main threat and work towards that. working towards lesser threats is a waste of your resources and promises to paint you in the corner of a local maximum.
mircea_popescu: it is exactly how the middle class usian became a captive of ipad and suburbia.
mircea_popescu: they didn't want to fight the government, but niggas passing by
BingoBoingo: And so it is
mircea_popescu: and well...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82559 @ 0.0007462 = 61.6055 BTC [+] {7}
BingoBoingo would like to see moar weirdix and weirdonet adapters
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: incidentally, it rebooted TWICE AGAIN last night
mats: that some folks suggest the substance of any of my debates begin with 'so explain why i shouldn't windows' indicates they've no idea whats actually being discussed
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: was down for 2 1/2 hours total, even.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15809 @ 0.00074743 = 11.8161 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: i guess the gig is ip
mircea_popescu waves to the poor unfortunate schmuck stuck in this particular shitty job.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see gpggram for another interesting tidbit.
BingoBoingo wonders if there are any li-polymer batteries that fit in 2.5" drive bays
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: batteries are a trivial thing, this is not the hard part.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, making sure everything else is batteried a bit harder, keeping Satan out much harder
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the hard part is that the box is physically in the hands of a liar and a traitor
BingoBoingo: There is little recourse possible if the Great Red Dragon and God's lamb decide to wage the final battle of mortal existance in the same toom machine is
BingoBoingo: That too
BingoBoingo: definition: toom = the interior space of a tomb
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266861 << rescue!!11111 destroy the village to save it!
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:57:08; mircea_popescu: "s-as-effort-to-rescue-bitcoin-falters" hahahaha WHAT ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the lulziest part is that this is OFFICIAL usg newspeak. e.g., police 'swat' tanks in my town have big fat RESCUE stencilled on the side
asciilifeform: they stand ready to 'rescue' folks with hot lead.
assbot: Consumers Begin Revolting, Bitcoin Is Not Visa | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1VMnHYs )
BingoBoingo: It was, major props to thestringpuller
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266858 << the mains socket is equally counter-historical, aha
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:56:08; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=08-09-2015#1266760 << the idea of children being -ev is so counter-historical.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technology and the spawn of women are not like things, plox no spurious comparisons.
asciilifeform: but not unrelated - what exactly was ever +ev about offspring once they could no longer be harnessed to the plow, or run the shop ?
mircea_popescu: i'll consider such arguments once you can take the 3yo product of white woman, put it in cage with 3yo product of thirld world woman, and it emerges victorious. every time.
mircea_popescu: that consideration makes zero difference doesn't it.
mircea_popescu: "i'm only worthless because X" is of no practical importance.
asciilifeform: turd world is riding the back of the very same train, give'em time.
asciilifeform: and if everything were settled via cage match, we would not be having this particular set of problems
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 23:46:49; trinque: binary releases..
asciilifeform recalls the legend where saddam h. supposedly challenged bush II to gladiatorial combat, in lieu of war
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you wish to say "kids are like socket mains" then you must show that white woman kid beats random kid eighty million tries out of eighty million.
asciilifeform: nah, meant that the -ev thing is strictly a result of events which have no historical parallels
asciilifeform: not that there is some hidden up-side to it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25000 @ 0.00074213 = 18.5533 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: like what events ?
asciilifeform: prohibitions (in the west, mainly) on 'child labour' etc
mircea_popescu: the spawn of greek speaking white women in constantinople cca 1200 was equally worthless.
asciilifeform: the extension of 'education' to even 30 y.o.
mircea_popescu: plenty of historical parallels.
mircea_popescu: byzantine man was schooled up to ~30
asciilifeform: i suppose if these count, then we can also count mazdakism in persia
mircea_popescu: even a few emperors "too young" to assume the crown atthat age
asciilifeform: 1000 yrs yet before byzantium
asciilifeform: then yes, mircea_popescu has it.
mircea_popescu: and there's at least hte sad end of the manchuko in china
mircea_popescu: but iirc this sort of fail was on a ~1400 year period in that place.
mircea_popescu: ie happened on record like 5-6 times already
BingoBoingo: Sparta still feared by Huns through 900 AD
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:14:07; midnightmagic: They've claimed that with the microscope on their efforts looking for bugs to discredit them, that this translates into equivalent-to-normal-auditing. (??)
mircea_popescu: nobody gives a flyiong fuck what they do.
asciilifeform: bbbbbut mit !!1111!111!!1
mircea_popescu: and i mean that in the most literal sense. i doubt even the computers bother reading their code.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> bbbbbut mit !!1111!111!!1 << At the point MIT Technology review loses to qntra...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mit dead tree press has been a sad circus, with 'privilege' on every catalogue page, and 'climate' in every other title, for many years.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Sure, but qntra won rather quicly
assbot: Logged on 12-04-2015 02:55:30; asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: my first gig out of school was at an abominable usg-contracting salt mine where little gurlz straight out of mit, for that fact alone, were promoted, repeatedly, over everyone else's head
mircea_popescu: lmao. so there exists an #anonops on freenode. nobody there, bout half dozen amazon shells.
assbot: AnonOps • Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1K6mWkP )
asciilifeform: what a cheap honeypot
mircea_popescu: “under federal law, a judge is technically allowed to sentence a defendant based on conduct that was uncharged, [or]charged and dismissed, or even charged and acquitted. That’s because the standard of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt while the standard of proof at sentencing is by a preponderance, i.e. more likely than not. […] The government can dismiss charges if it wishes, but if the court thinks yo
mircea_popescu: u probably did it, you can still be sentenced based on those charges. […] Essentially, the government loses but then gets to punish you anyway.”
mircea_popescu: can't even spell preponderence.
shinohai: There was an i2p irc they had for a while too iirc
asciilifeform: shinohai: 'they' == usg
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the 'loses' is a smoke screen to begin with. usg never really loses a trial, how could it
shinohai: Anon movement never was my thing, seemed quite silly.
mircea_popescu: oh, but it could.
asciilifeform: it isn't as if these trials took place in the court of some independent sovereign
asciilifeform: they take place in usg fortresses
mircea_popescu: the brits never won a trial in imperial india, not ever.
mircea_popescu: anyway, note the incredibly braindamaged defense put up by one caduddu
mircea_popescu: the first mistake these folks make is accepting the inept counsel.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31500 @ 0.00074769 = 23.5522 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:46:13; pete_dushenski: http://righteousmind.com/where-microaggressions-really-come-from/ << A) A Culture of Honor in part 6 aptly describes the wot
assbot: Logged on 30-01-2015 05:51:36; mircea_popescu: which is why i am not ever giving it up. the freedom to threaten is not merely my fundamental, unassailable sovereign property, but moreover essential for the construction of effectual instruments to squash the socialists and their golums.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> “under federal law, a judge is technically allowed to sentence a defendant based on conduct that was uncharged, [or]charged and dismissed, or even charged and acquitted. That’s because the standard of proof at trial is beyond a reasonable doubt while the standard of proof at sentencing is by a preponderance, i.e. more likely than not. […] The government can dismiss charges if it wishes, but if the court thin
BingoBoingo: ks yo << And people were wondering why I wouldn't just plea out and pay a fine
mircea_popescu: "microagressions" come from a world that's not starshaped with the "usg" at the center of all things.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo yep. only right move.
mircea_popescu: don't sign with the devil. you will live to regret it if you do.
mircea_popescu: like shrem, like esr, like EVERYONE who ever did.
BingoBoingo: "misdemeanor" isn't such anymoar
BingoBoingo this weekend may have actually met targeted operation. Some nigga found me at the bar and kept trying to sell me drugs.
BingoBoingo: Spotted me specifically, made a bit of smalltalk and then than coon tried to sell me the entire spectrum of drugs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't know of any reason to think that esr regrets turning; he probably regrets not taking sufficiently many 'pieces of silver'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform same thing.
mircea_popescu: so does shrem. obviously he's not one bit sorry he fucked the goat.
mircea_popescu: he just wishes he had more to show for it.
mircea_popescu: but this is also the problem : you will never be able to get a sufficient number of "nothing". the devil's giold coins have this way of turning to leaves in your hands
mircea_popescu: that;s kinda the point of the whole "you're his now"
asciilifeform: this is an ancient idea, even
asciilifeform: recurs in myth and legend
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo next time film him, put him online.
mircea_popescu: really butthurts low level wanna-be undercover agents.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform aha.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> BingoBoingo next time film him, put him online. << He may or may not have been recorded. If his handlers read this they probably ought to see if their agent has a file with one of the more trusted local constables.
asciilifeform just pried open a crate of ru dead tree material concerning crypto research, some of it historical, most of it entirely unavailable in en
mircea_popescu: in other news today, asciilifeform reads by the crate.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it had to go on a boat!
BingoBoingo: I thought it was known ascii only read by the crate
asciilifeform: very spiffy little monograph on a/v stego in there, as well
asciilifeform: and a tome on polymorphic virii.
asciilifeform usually reads by the MB, but sometimes - by the crate.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i confess that i imagine you living in a proper old west town, with saloon, with spittoon
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266831 << i don't know the fella personally, but as i gather his main problem is starvation. it makes people foolish, i speak from experience
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 00:41:21; pete_dushenski: it's not like i expect him to go anywhere a la pankkake, tat, or decimation, but i don't trust him.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266873 << how much megablox-moving-horsepower does one get for 20 usd/mo, exactly...?
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:04:57; pete_dushenski: "I thought the support BitcoinXT had was way bigger because of so many people praising it on /r/Bitcoin. I wanted to help scale bitcoin so I spent about $200 to set up 10 BitcoinXT nodes for a month."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform he didn't think that far ahead.
mircea_popescu: derp on a 500 bucks budget blows half of it to cover a month of random retardation he found on the net.
mircea_popescu: these people have less sense than the average insect.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00074769 = 18.4679 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 500 bux would buy a very decent pistol to eat !
mircea_popescu: not in the us.
asciilifeform: sure it does
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo, am i mistaken ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266887 << i managed to lose one of a set of historical bitcoin cufflinks last week. they cost more than his budget back before they became historical.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:08:18; BingoBoingo: <danielpbarron> hah i spent the equiv of his savings on Eulora stuff alone << Exchange rate adjusted I have spent more drinking at 2nd Mardi gras
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: speaking of this, does kakobrekla's magical car still run ?
mircea_popescu: wait you're askinbg me ?
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo, am i mistaken ? << $500 in US could buy quality eating pistol
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: a nagant, circa 1940s, sells for around 100 usd iirc. so the reddit fella could, if he had a bit of budget left, literally eat nagant.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Even with more familiar stuff plenty of 1911 clones floating around $350 to $450 new
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha, if for eating, doesn't much matter if the nonpressurized parts are of zamac
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: And if willing to eat rifle Mosins around $200
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: aha, if for eating, doesn't much matter if the nonpressurized parts are of zamac << Yes
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266921 << dosimIeter check him out, he's developing a russki accent now.
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:15:49; *: ben_vulpes dosimieter
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=09-09-2015#1266935 << how the fuck is this even supposed to work ?
assbot: Logged on 09-09-2015 01:28:11; mats: 'control flow guard', which verifies functions at call sites, ensuring target is in fact a function.
mircea_popescu: gotta leave symbols table in elfxecutables or what ?
asciilifeform: elf l0l
asciilifeform: it's winblowz he spoke of, no ?
asciilifeform: they haven't got tables of anything, just shit soup.
BingoBoingo: Everyone knows MP is a darkELF on PDP-99
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I though you manced the necros? Isn't that what dark ELF's do?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33400 @ 0.00074846 = 24.9986 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: but srsly, if anyone who understands these things is willing to explain it to me, how exactly is the kernel going to "verify target is in fact a function" ?
mircea_popescu: doesn't even seem a halt-decidable problem
cazalla: BingoBoingo, seriously now.. iksar necro far cooler than delf necro
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if i had to guess, would say that it checks for a standard prologue before jumping to the return addr found on stack
mircea_popescu: and this helps because...
asciilifeform: ask microshit not me.
BingoBoingo wonders why kernel ought to care
asciilifeform: or ask mats, aha.
mircea_popescu: things that aren't functions that got injected couldn't have the extra fixed payload injected along ?
mats: it prevents rop chains
mircea_popescu: but it doesn't ?
asciilifeform: mats: nope. so i jump to somewhere that has the prologue. solved.
mats: yes
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu has it.
mircea_popescu: every time the endless chorus of people that keep repeating "no srsly, ms improved" gets me to believe it on a simple "regression to mean" theory, shit like this happens
mircea_popescu: and im like no, wtf, this is like 1990 all over again
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Is Soviet Eeyore also a sad donkey?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: microshit has not improved a single thing it touched, from z80 rom basic, xenix, msdos (yes), to this day
mats: it doesn't protect against all forms of control flow hijacking
mircea_popescu: not that the general problem of "i will now emit a string of bits and you tell me if this is a function" isn't a very interesting ai topic.
BingoBoingo: Or is he jaundiced instead of Pooh?
mircea_popescu: but srsly...
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nobody is jaundiced in ru transl. of pooh
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Wow
assbot: винни пух - Recherche Google ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETm72B )
mircea_popescu: o look, alf also knows google img search short form.
BingoBoingo jealous RU pooh has claws
asciilifeform: so today i cut open the winblowz version of 'derive', v.6. it has mulisp buried in there!! a 32-bit version thereof. hand-coded in asm, at least partly.
asciilifeform: dwarfed by the gui crud
asciilifeform: (hastily welded on, it is elephantine for the time, hundreds of kB!)
asciilifeform: mulisp has an interestingly forth-like self-mod compiler
asciilifeform: very stimulating reading.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> so today i cut open the winblowz version of 'derive', v.6. it has mulisp buried in there!! a 32-bit version thereof. hand-coded in asm, at least partly. << I my cursory seach Texas Instruments apparently "owns" derive
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: they have what, three separate product lines based on it? no shit
asciilifeform: (not incl. the pc version, which was discontinued a decade ago)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Butt, Butt, Butts they depreciated it for ARM shit
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: still runs it
asciilifeform: i will add that it is not actually easy to write a useful computeralgebratron.
asciilifeform: ask anyone who's tried.
BingoBoingo: Not that they will admit. "Totally supplanted by 'NSpire' thing"
BingoBoingo filling up on ETOH to try to reclaim last week's useful qntra venom
BingoBoingo: !up bounce
assbot: Sources: We were pressured to weaken the mobile security in the 80's - Aftenposten ... ( http://bit.ly/1ETqn2f )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Damn it, you got me looking at TI-92's nao
asciilifeform: mats: ancient news
BingoBoingo rolls around in some jools hoping they embed in the skin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18700 @ 0.00075346 = 14.0897 BTC [+] {5}
ben_vulpes: "struggle session" << anyone have any decent literature? the only thing i can recall offhand is the book White Swans.
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: On that topic truly useful literature is going to be elusive
ben_vulpes: wild swans, i mean.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27150 @ 0.00075451 = 20.4849 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: mats that's nice to have. i always puzzled over the incredibly poor security of mobile as a design decision
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what's your definition of decency ?
BingoBoingo: Decency == Bare Cunt, Big Nipples
ben_vulpes: primary sources ideally, first generation translations would be nice.
ben_vulpes: oh yeah and can't make modern readers think too hard about their own versions
mircea_popescu: ;;google 镇压反革命
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