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ben_vulpes: http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ << bb you're unsung comic gold i tell you
assbot: Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCBPOG )
asciilifeform idly wonders how many of these he had found
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:39:46; BingoBoingo: Played with qntra CSS a bit, still probably the most modern and compliant wordpress blawg on the interwebz https://archive.is/6kBqw https://archive.is/CKKJa
BingoBoingo: cazalla: removed some things that don't get used
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: unrelatedly, didja ever get v-stator to build ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'm trying to get a sense of how much sense the thing made to folks
ben_vulpes: well i've not parsed v in its entirety into my head yet, and after bitcoin i'm loath to run software that doesn't fit in my head.
asciilifeform: bitcoin fit in your head ?!!
asciilifeform takes off hat
ben_vulpes: no no!
ben_vulpes: it's software that i must run that does not fit in my head!
ben_vulpes: idem gpg, client braindamage...
asciilifeform: anyway ben_vulpes is in luck, because i invented a marvellous pill for folks who had trouble fitting v in head
asciilifeform: rewrite it.
asciilifeform: in system of your choice.
asciilifeform: (befunge, if you like. qbasic. whatever.)
ben_vulpes: so why python and not cl, out of curiosity?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: partly because there is no handy gpg callout lib for cl
pete_dushenski: bon soir!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: partly because cl is a 'heavy' runtime and not fit for use as a 'run ten times a minute' shell script
asciilifeform: it is a reluctant immigrant to unix
asciilifeform: wants to own the machine.
asciilifeform: (as it should)
asciilifeform: 'python' on the other hand is more like a less-carcinogenic perl.
asciilifeform was originally writing whole thing in sed and awk.
asciilifeform has written his lifetime allotment of perl.
asciilifeform: anyway, the advice was meant quite seriously. rewrite it.
asciilifeform: it is very plain what the thing does.
asciilifeform: and ben_vulpes is quite likely to do a cleaner job of it than i
asciilifeform: bonus points if you can do it in some abomination abhorrent to men and gods, like applescript or the like
asciilifeform: (provided that it works precisely as the original)
asciilifeform: do it in... forth
asciilifeform: this can be a kind of pons asinorum for masochists.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> now, old dog hands inform me that the absolutely irresistible treat, to dog, is cat shit. << Any kind of shit really.
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> http://qntra.net/2015/03/local-police-arming-robots/ << bb you're unsung comic gold i tell you << ty
assbot: Local Police Arming Robots | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1JCBPOG )
BingoBoingo: * asciilifeform takes off hat << To inspect in head?
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: more lines is all you can be guaranteed of.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: would you elaborate on "own the machine" and a) why it should and b) how python does not?
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 12:17:28; assbot: 15-Year-Old 'Bitcoin Kid' Wants to Make Ethereum Easier ... ( http://bit.ly/1NN7Rvn )
ag3nt_zer0: good evening...
ben_vulpes: buenos noches
ben_vulpes: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B39cenrIQW0 << there's this mine in romania...
assbot: Kuwait event plays Borat parody as Kazakhstan national anthem - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1NacJL2 )
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: eerily familiar too?
ben_vulpes: some other 15 year old bitcoin wizard however long ago
trinque: ben_vulpes: "doesn't own the machine" sounds to me like "/etc/hosts isn't a python data structure"
ben_vulpes: how is /etc/hosts a cl data structure?
trinque: presumably on a lisp machine it would be some data structure in some system
phf: eh, no
phf: common lisp specification is written in a such a way that you don't need to know anything about the outside world to fully replicate a ~useful~ computation
trinque: *lisp OS, I meant
trinque: phf: and if that useful computation is DNS?
trinque: I was addressing "own the machine" not CL
phf: trinque: yeah, i'm also talking about owning the machine
trinque: so answer the question. where would a lookup table like /etc/hosts go if the system were completely made of lisp?
trinque: I'm feeling around in the dark, would love to know
phf: trinque: that's not a particularly interesting question
phf: but there's a pathname spec that lets your implementation answer that question for you
trinque rolls his eyes
ben_vulpes: > pathname spec
ben_vulpes: > dns resolutino
trinque: apparently in pure lispland you'd never once DNS
trinque: mkay
ben_vulpes: cl is such a delightfully crazy mindset
ben_vulpes: the impl handls the dns parts of pathnames
phf: why you write your dns of course in lisp
ben_vulpes: it's just a file on a server somewhere mang
trinque: both missing the point. I am asking stylistically where something like an /etc/hosts would live
trinque: not where the actual fucking thing lives today
ben_vulpes: setq an alist that shit you care about uses to look things up?
ben_vulpes is not a lisper
trinque: yeah, that's what I said
ben_vulpes: phf: one day i'll find an interesting question, i swear
trinque: like for example in unixland you say "you make a file" for every question
phf: ben_vulpes: alright, that was an unfair comment, but i was trying to say that the focus is wrong.
trinque: presumably various aspects of actual hardware state would also be represented as data structures in lisp
ben_vulpes: trinque: imagine nic internals as clos objects
trinque: whereas you find that in /sys or /dev on linux
ben_vulpes: *nic*
trinque: or via some call
trinque: ben_vulpes: yeah that'd be hot
trinque still wants his purely functional firewall thinger
ben_vulpes: what's the difference between "everything is a file" and "global variables" anyways
trinque: not much I guess
trinque: filesystem is a big farty key-value store
ben_vulpes: and WE HATE KV STORES
phf: you have to have some set of global variables, even if it's only a state on the first execution of (main)
trinque: yeah hosts was my pick because it's easy to see it being interesting globally
phf: trinque: hosts file would most likely be still implemented as a filesystem file
trinque: b-but, why
trinque: where's the fundamentalism in that
phf: your filesystem is implemented in lisp?
trinque: maybe the filesystem is just a giant swapfile
phf: but your file manipulation dictionary is speced out to be a somewhat conventional tree like file/directory thing
cazalla: mircea_popescu, check it out, aussie artist making a mockery of your countrymen :P http://www.abc.net.au/news/2015-09-03/dancing-with-costica-brisbane-artist-creates-buzz/6746014
assbot: Dancing with Costica: Brisbane artist creates buzz with digitally-colourised glass plate photos - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation) ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZrPSL )
phf: trinque: anyway, the original distinction was not about hosts not being a python datastructure, it's the fact that you can't separate python semantics from the underlying os, which is unix/posix/x86/ieee combined in various forms
trinque: ah I see; we were talking completely at crossways then
phf: there's cpython which behaves ~mostly~ consistently across the system, but its behavior is part convention/part emergent details of C code and to a very significant part the details of the underlying unix
phf: yes :)
trinque: right, python is very much involved with unixisms
ben_vulpes: trinque: examples of unixisms deeply rooted in python?
ben_vulpes: ("how's the water today, boys?" "water?!")
trinque: ah well maybe more broadly than that; it's gonna be a system you can run c stuff, open files, do socket io, etc
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260077 << this has not escaped my notice and has blown my tiny mind
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 21:45:32; ascii_field: which was astonishing, because debug.log ~does~ mention it (as linked earlier) - though it is not correlated temporally with your node's disconnects as seen on my end
trinque: https://docs.python.org/2/library/socket.html << like this guy's just unix socket programming like you'd do in C
assbot: 17.2. socket — Low-level networking interface — Python 2.7.10 documentation ... ( http://bit.ly/1NZstQ7 )
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trinque: wraps the thing rather closely
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm not sure why that would be a controversial point. how does something like trig functions work in python? they don't, they are a call out to system level math library
trinque: psycopg for db, yep, very common for python to just tape various C libraries together
phf: same goes for sockets and file streams
ben_vulpes makes various gestures of distress
phf: i write way more python then lisp, there i said it
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trinque: don't we all :(
ben_vulpes: not davout
trinque: so ask me what holds the screen onto this X1 CARBON
trinque: go ahead
ben_vulpes: and not, to hit the other end of the spectrum, gabriel_laddel
ben_vulpes: trinque: cat hair?
trinque: fucking plastic
trinque: just broke
ben_vulpes: hahahaha
ben_vulpes: this 'macbook' is zamac.
trinque: carbon fiber they said
trinque: shit gum and duct tape
ben_vulpes: i ripped a part of the nominal 'metal' out of a compressed air nailgun two weekends back
ben_vulpes: straight up fractured and popped out. not even deformation: catastrophic fracture propagation.
ben_vulpes: trinque: no fibers even?
trinque: this is where the hinge attaches to the screen
trinque: all plastic
trinque: nice strong metal hinge; that part's still doing great
ben_vulpes: frame probably has a few strands of cf
ben_vulpes: for show
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260178 << the mythical software company pulls in vastly more revenue than it takes to tame the complexity of producing the revenue.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 22:18:22; mircea_popescu: the obviousness of all this is inescapable if one actually has at the same time the intellectual werewithal to regard the matter and the emotional disinterest of not giving a shit about the whole lot of it.
phf: i thought consensus here was that real computers only come in atx tower cases
ben_vulpes: by virtue of writing the crud once and driving oodles of business through it.
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260219 << this sounds crazy, de veras?
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 22:47:11; pete_dushenski: only learning through trial and error
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: phf: yeah, this is mostly a mobile terminal
trinque: and a piece of shit one at that
trinque: I'll never purchase another Lenovo product
phf: my colleague has been telling me that x1 carbon is the best laptop. in fact he's been trashing my mbp over it
trinque: maybe he treats his better
phf: he doesn't understand. i recently switched keyboards on this laptop, now that is not an operation for people with shaky hands. requires complete removal of guts and then removing ~~200 screws that attach the keyboard to the frame.
trinque: I had a 2007 black macbook that lasted 7-8 years
phf: "this is my laptop. there are many like it"
ben_vulpes: i dont know why anyone would treat an apple product as anything but a disposable terminal
ben_vulpes: nice terms tho
trinque: I doused elderbook (as it came to be called) with beer, coffee, god knows what else
trinque: dropped down stairs twice
trinque: carpeted, luckily
trinque: but that thing was a tank
trinque: felt the same way about a pentium 3 thinkpad I had
phf: ben_vulpes: i'm having a hard time finding a better laptop including later mbp models, which have gone downhill even more
trinque: I don't get the sense that Tim Cook would beat someone with one if he didn't approve of it
mats: 2012 mbp is last good mbp
trinque: the "retina" was a piece of shit
trinque: had that, smashed it
ben_vulpes: great displays though
trinque: I am a barbarian, can't be trusted with delicate things
ben_vulpes: things are cookies these days, granted.
ben_vulpes: $bizpartner got the new delicate thing
phf: i think i have the last matte mbp screen, which is another thing
ben_vulpes: matte!
ben_vulpes swoons
ben_vulpes: i have an mbp, 15", only took it out to play eulora once and a while because i got ubuntu on it waaay ways ago
ben_vulpes: still way fast
ben_vulpes: has giant haring stickers on it
mats: i had some play time with a 'surface pro 3' and it was p good
phf: no hackathon stickers? ;)
ben_vulpes: what the fuck is wrong with you mats
mats: would own if it was $500 new
mats: you hate me
trinque: ben_vulpes: gentleman we know has the right idea; just stack up old thinkpads
trinque: go for quantity; stops working, pitch it out the window
phf: a github sticker, a "vegan" sticker, a random hackathon sticker, an "anarchist" sticker and your startup's logo
trinque: the startup logo corner tends to stack up
trinque: mats: what does the keyboard feel like?
trinque: and when do we get actual products again?
trinque: 2070?
mats: its decently responsive and I like the action
mats: not good on the lap
BingoBoingo: <trinque> I'll never purchase another Lenovo product << try the X1?0e education series. Cheap AMD options available and honest tough plastic for those damned kids.
trinque: maybe so
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phf: i got a refurbished x61, it arrived with a broken fan, literally boots into "fan error" message
phf: BingoBoingo: does it run openbsd fine?
mats: I have a hard time justifying dropping ~1450 on a 13in MBA with 8gb or I would be on the aapl train
trinque: apple's a scam these days too
mats: not everyone can be ben_moneybags with the dedicated eulora mbp
phf: (and what i mean by fine is video card, wifi and suspend to ram)
BingoBoingo: phf: My 120e does with a different wifi card
BingoBoingo: phf: Also I end up having to replace the fan annually, but probably because I take it out to smoke cigarettes with me.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 00:51:01; mod6: mircea_popescu can scarcely believe all the ustards have to talk about is whether men sit like this or like that << ikr! i heard some lawyer say to another lawyer on the train, "mind your man spread bro".
trinque: that internalization of feminist bullshit is disgusting
trinque waits for the portland morality police to cart him off
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo "concerns... oughta concern"
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Where?
mircea_popescu: latest article
mircea_popescu: on qntra. last para.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 04:53:19; ben_vulpes: buenos noches
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 05:09:59; trinque: filesystem is a big farty key-value store
mircea_popescu: there's no "directories" in any other sense than key prefixes.
trinque: yup, that's how I look at it
mircea_popescu: cazalla http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746126-3x2-700x467.jpg << compare the original with the "colorized". what all has changed ? yes, derpy "color". what else ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Sentence was a mess, should be fixed, also not the latest article
mircea_popescu: how has the adult looking 15 yo girl in the original turned into a retarded looking adult in the "upgrade " ?
mircea_popescu: Lalomita County Museum << it's Ialomita ftr.
BingoBoingo: Colorizarion always renders the serious derpy because people can't compose color the right way
mircea_popescu: http://www.abc.net.au/news/image/6746094-3x2-700x467.jpg << check it out it's a fucking trend. how come the intelligent looking boy turned into ... whatever that is
mircea_popescu: this is fucking sad.
cazalla: mircea_popescu, she is an artist, and they're having an exhibition, and that's that!
mircea_popescu: she's a tub of margerine,
mircea_popescu: is what she is.
cazalla: "Ms Long said the feedback from the Romanian community had been overwhelming."
cazalla: "If anyone had the right to be offended it would be the Romanian community and yet, it's the opposite"
cazalla: i thought the man playing the fiddle was the most cringe worthy of them all fwiw
mircea_popescu: im not fucking offended. i just think she's stupid.
mircea_popescu: there's a difference.
mircea_popescu: or wait, did little miss margerine tub think photochopping is somehow controversial and ima hate a pelican ?
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
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fluffypony: lol thestringpuller
fluffypony: our Internet is reasonably good, it's just expensive
fluffypony: I have wireless to a fibre base station on a highsite, so latency is pretty low, 10mbps down / 1.5mbps up
fluffypony: and that costs ~$112 a month
assbot: Kermit's New 'Girlfriend' Denise Is Thin, Feminists Outraged | National Review Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbRlF5 )
mircea_popescu has just learned that one can't in point of fact get a phone plan in the us that doesn't charge FOR INCOMING CALLS
mircea_popescu: leaving aside all the "need id to buy phone card" nonsense, this is just too out there. wtf
cazalla: you can buy them ready activated on gumtree (craigslist) with cash anyway if need be
mircea_popescu: they'll still charge for incoming
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fluffypony: when I was there in November I got a prepaid SIM from T-Mobile for $80 for a month
fluffypony: and that was unlimited everything (calls / SMS / data)
mircea_popescu: ima have it lookt into thx
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fluffypony: what's actually quite nice is that it also has unlimited SMS and unlimited data when roaming in 120 countries, BUT the roaming data speed is capped at 128kbps
fluffypony: still good enough for email and messaging
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punkman: so much logz
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punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260537 I've bought unpasteurized a few times but I just boil it at home
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:14:22; *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260973 <<< how are the nappy changing skills coming along?
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:35:40; pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260451 << i recently waded into the bizarro world of baby diapers where monthly service of 'cloth' units is 3x price of 'disposable' AND ~40% shittier. and i do mean shittier. but... environment !
mircea_popescu: disposable, for the record, is in no way bad for the environment. it consists of mixing celulose pulp with human excrement and burrying it. this is a much better use than mixing cellulose pulp with pigments and then storing it on shelves.
cazalla: i don't think good or bad for environment ever crossed my mind.. cannot buy cloth anywhere and tbh i don't fancy scraping the shit from them and couldn't sell the idea to missus
cazalla: "but your mother did it this way, my mother did it this way, you should too!"
mircea_popescu: not too hard to make your own disposable cloth diapers anyway. just buy some cheap metrage and cut it up.
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punkman: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260944 << I have one that tunnels, I plug the hole (last time with concrete), he tunnels out again. Nobody has ever seen this rat and it's been years.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:27:07; asciilifeform: we have two basic species of rat here, one that climbs, and one that tunnels
mircea_popescu: punkman : get a plumber's snake, a rag and gasoline. affix the rag to the bit, soak it, light it and shove it in as far as you can reach
mircea_popescu: it rarely kills it but they move.
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punkman: I have flooded it with water a few times
mircea_popescu: that doesn't do anything
mircea_popescu: natural phenomena
mircea_popescu: fluffypony lmao, his hand doesn't properly reflect!
fluffypony: heh heh
punkman: hah
mircea_popescu: in other news, i was today in an elevator which insistently stated that max weight = 150kg
mircea_popescu: one of those old style things you see in 1950s french movies.
mircea_popescu: i imagine the grief of couples in that building you know, they move in as 20somethings, can take it together
mircea_popescu: then one year comes
mircea_popescu: one sad, sad year, when the elevator won't start anymore
mircea_popescu: "oh, it's the shopping bags".
mircea_popescu: and for a while it is
mircea_popescu: but then...
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assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 04:05:47; asciilifeform: rewrite it.
cazalla: wouldn't the sign just go ignored?
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mircea_popescu: cazalla not like it starts overweight
mircea_popescu: you can ignore it all you want, it'll ignore you right back
mircea_popescu: and with that, tada!
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cazalla: fuck yeah straya http://www.canberratimes.com.au/business/comment-and-analysis/economic-growth-close-to-zero-as-living-standards-slip-20150902-gjdi0t.html "Had it not been for a surprise 41 per cent jump in government spending on defence equipment in the quarter, economic growth would have been zero."
assbot: Economic growth close to zero as living standards slip ... ( http://bit.ly/1EBD8OS )
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pete_dushenski: "Electricity generated by US wind farms fell 6 per cent in the first half of the year even as the nation expanded wind generation capacity by 9 per cent, Energy Information Administration records show."
pete_dushenski: "The reason was some of the softest air currents in 40 years, cutting power sales from wind farms to utilities"
pete_dushenski: "“We never anticipated a drop-off in the wind resource as we have witnessed over the past six months,” David Crane, chief executive of power producer NRG Energy, told analysts last month"
pete_dushenski: "we never anticipated that moore's law would've broken down in 2008 or that obama would be every bit as much of a monkey/terrorist as bush mk ii"
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pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261178 << if my family friend, a mechanic at the local audi dealership, is to be believed, then yes. a quick web search didn't reveal any evidence to the contrary either. so let's chalk up vw's bravado in the 'crazy but true' category
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 05:33:49; ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-09-2015#1260219 << this sounds crazy, de veras?
pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261305 << figuring out rotor, hell even pgp, was markedly more challenging. i'd put 'nappy
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 07:38:58; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260973 <<< how are the nappy changing skills coming along?
pete_dushenski: *i'd put 'nappy changing' up there with building basic lego designs in terms of difficulty
cazalla: yes, but keep in mind changing the nappy of a stationary child is ezmode
cazalla: gotta play through easy then normal before hard more with the mobile toddler who doesn't fancy doing what you want
cazalla: hardmode even
pete_dushenski: fair nuff
pete_dushenski: "At least a few intrepid i3 REx owners have enthusiastically taken to coding their cars. A partial list of functions that can be added or modified with those updates includes: Allowing fuel tank to accept full capacity of 2.4 gallons, Adding suppressed European "hold battery charge" function, Enabling suppressed AM radio, Suppressing U.S.-mandated seat-belt warning tone, Permitting video to be run from USB stora
pete_dushenski: ge device, Changing startup image (one owner found "a cool Alpina" emblem hidden in the car's software)"
pete_dushenski: "The software that enables these functions is already present in U.S.-market BMW i3 vehicles. But it's suppressed in many cases, due to National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) or California Air Resources Board (CARB) regulations--or BMW North America's perception of consumer preferences."
pete_dushenski: hakkerz !
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 11:18:21; pete_dushenski: ge device, Changing startup image (one owner found "a cool Alpina" emblem hidden in the car's software)"
assbot: File:ST BASIC - J.R. Bob Dobbs.gif - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkUZVc )
pete_dushenski: ftr bmw i3 'rex' differs from regular i3 in its use of a 'range extender', not unlike that on the chevy volt
pete_dushenski: shinohai: hehe neat.
assbot: New Car Software Saves Users Thousands In Car Repairs by Hacking Cars to Run Better and Faster ... ( http://bit.ly/1FkV9fg )
pete_dushenski: punkman: not a bad idea to have your own obd-ii reader
punkman: the tuning part is scary, I wonder if anyone has managed to explode his car
shinohai: You guys remember those accel units from the 90's that let you do all that to your EFI ?
assbot: Accel-DFI Thruster EFI Engine Management System | ... ( http://bit.ly/1JP996v )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31400 @ 0.00071555 = 22.4683 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Gentlemen, Start Hacking Your Engines ... ( http://bit.ly/1JP9Mge )
punkman: (2003)
shinohai: heh thanx for that punkman.
punkman: there are probably people doing this since the first car with microelectronics appeared
pete_dushenski: and well before that.
pete_dushenski: see 'rum runners special'
punkman: well you can't have software hacking when the car has no software
pete_dushenski: you dun need software to 'hack'
shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car"
pete_dushenski: modded cars used to transport liquor under the cover of darkness in the 1920s were the basis for stock car racing, which eventually led to 'nascar'
shinohai: Sad to see that such a noble sport declined into nascar.
pete_dushenski: i can't say i've ever been much for nascar, but enough of the tradition seems to have carried on, despite the distillation of the source into a platonic game
pete_dushenski: it's still blue-collar yahoos trying to out-gun one another at >200 kph
shinohai: I despise nascar. I live in the heart of it.
pete_dushenski: s/200/300 (!)
pete_dushenski: shinohai: what don't you like about it ?
shinohai: It just bores me. I can't watch cars go in circle 2-3 hours.
shinohai: Now I like road races.
shinohai: I am more of a WRC tye.
shinohai: *type
pete_dushenski: see wrc cars themselves are epic machines, but the races neither work on tv or live
pete_dushenski: whereas f1 only really works on tv and nascar only works live
pete_dushenski: also add 'le mans' to only tv category
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67750 @ 0.00071249 = 48.2712 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: I like LeMans ok
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29750 @ 0.00071561 = 21.2894 BTC [+]
shinohai: LOOOOOOL I missed this one: https://redd.it/3jgfd7
assbot: I'm too stupid for bitcoin : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPhWVK )
shinohai: Sorry, wrong link: https://redd.it/3jf9xy
assbot: SECURITY ALERT: Bug in Go clients causing increase in difficulty. Mandatory update for miners asap; transacting users & exchanges unaffected : ethereum ... ( http://bit.ly/1JPi2N9 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45700 @ 0.00071161 = 32.5206 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25430 @ 0.00071183 = 18.1018 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: pete_dushenski mats $genericreassurance $coinbrcomingbacksoon $sorryforinconvenience
jurov: but really, my brain had meltdown trying to reconstruct what went down on mpex order book in that time :(
pete_dushenski: jurov: hm. well, thanks for the update. mighta cost us a few shekels but nothing life changing. life goes on.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61879 @ 0.00070488 = 43.6173 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai needs to make time to investigate jurov 's site when it is back up.
pete_dushenski: shinohai: coinbr is well designed
jurov: but mpex order/trade matching is hairy, errors are likely to snowball
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19150 @ 0.00070396 = 13.4808 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: i should clarify that 'well designed' means 'attractively designed' in this instance. i nfi about the hairball backend.
jurov: now you mean what? the mermaid?
pete_dushenski: sure, she's kinda cute ;/
pete_dushenski: more 'dashboard' and 'new order' interfaces
pete_dushenski: i admit i'm not much for the coinbr graphs
shinohai: tbh I would need a ton of research to know where to begin.
thestringpuller: jurov: how goes the coinbr maintanence?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32750 @ 0.00070396 = 23.0547 BTC [-]
jurov: thestringpuller: it goes like rm -rf /, set on fire, salt the earth
thestringpuller: that bad huh?
jurov: jk.. see log
thestringpuller: lol your blog has funny mpex stories
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261287 << i thought mircea_popescu wouldn't be caught dead using a phone, much less calling usa...
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 07:06:40; *: mircea_popescu has just learned that one can't in point of fact get a phone plan in the us that doesn't charge FOR INCOMING CALLS
pete_dushenski: iirc he had samsung flip fone
asciilifeform: i think it was hanbot, who had it
assbot: Logged on 16-09-2014 13:47:32; mircea_popescu: to me too. and i got a 100 pesos samsung dumbphone. it's light, i couldn't care less if someone steals it.
asciilifeform: guess he does have one somewhere.
asciilifeform: where, exactly, can you get phone that doesn't charge for incoming ?
punkman: in europe
asciilifeform: my phone charges fifty cents for ~incoming sms~ even.
davout: nutjobberry
punkman: I haven't been to any eu countries that charge for incoming calls/sms
punkman: maybe if you are roaming
davout: punkman: yeah, only if roaming
punkman: but no reason to roam when you can buy another sim at the airport when you land
asciilifeform: if phone even takes sims
asciilifeform: many american ones do not.
davout: punkman: then you have the problems that go with a new number
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261276 << the proverbial 'boeing full of tapes' is faster than ~anybody~'s pipe. when people pay for 'high-speed net', they are usually paying for ~low latency~ rather than high bandwidth.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 06:44:59; thestringpuller: http://m.phys.org/news/2009-09-carrier-pigeon-faster-broadband-internet.html#jCp << fluffypony is your internet this bad?
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i'd rather have bigger pipes to flush my shit down rather than the shit move away from my house faster.
shinohai: Sorry it is a stoopid slideshow
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41666 @ 0.00070535 = 29.3891 BTC [+]
davout: thestringpuller: bigger pipers == more throughput for smell to come back up
asciilifeform: ^ this was actually a concern before the water lock was invented
asciilifeform: (the bend in your sink, toilet)
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: I thought that bend was for when wife loses engagement ring while doing dishes...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31087 @ 0.00070395 = 21.8837 BTC [-] {2}
jurov somehow imagined boeings full of shit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 108663 @ 0.00070238 = 76.3227 BTC [-] {5}
jurov: aka septic planes :)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30892 @ 0.00069965 = 21.6136 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: China holds massive military parade, to cut troop levels by 300,000| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBjpvB )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14087 @ 0.00069965 = 9.856 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 01:13:47; mircea_popescu: trinque>china for example builds its *first* aircraft carrier, and people talk about the chinese being a military threat <<< you don't understand how this works. the aircraft carrier is irrelevant. china bet on the winning strat (missile defense) and bet a lot more than the us can afford, and as a result now has unchallangeable area denial ability throughout the shores. this means it can pursue its
assbot: China shows off missile 'able to destroy aircraft carriers' at massive WW2 parade - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1JBkvaw )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32600 @ 0.00069718 = 22.7281 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: I support BIP000 : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1XkQrJv )
thestringpuller: davout: people are downvoting that to hell.
thestringpuller: i should just create 500 reddit-bot accounts to upvote our shit
davout: went from +6 to +2
thestringpuller: actually I may do that
jurov: just pay some philippinos
davout: reddit: the place where philippinos vote-cancel other philippinos
trinque: yeah but like, how is bitcoin going to give me free college and corn products?
thestringpuller: how is bitcoin going to make me rich?
mike_c: hodl
trinque: thestringpuller: please pay me 10BTC for my exclusive webinar
davout: thestringpuller: "while i sleep" is the important tidbit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51322 @ 0.00070535 = 36.2 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67372 @ 0.00069309 = 46.6949 BTC [-] {5}
trinque: flag store nearby does not have a rebel flag
trinque: bah
trinque: I want to put that and the Texan flag in each back window of my station wagon on the way home
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3508 @ 0.00068815 = 2.414 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: why do you want a confederate flag trinque ?
thestringpuller: wb mircea_popescu
trinque: thestringpuller: because I want Texas to secede :)
trinque: also it looks cool
trinque: thestringpuller: there were a number of sensible things in the Confederate constitution as well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6536 @ 0.00070286 = 4.5939 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 10:59:18; pete_dushenski: "The reason was some of the softest air currents in 40 years, cutting power sales from wind farms to utilities"
mircea_popescu: wtf is Quinoa
mircea_popescu: ;;ud Quinoa
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quinoa | Gullible white middle-class person: Oh, we only eat quinoa these days. It's more ethical than other crops; you can tell because it costs more, so it must be ...
mircea_popescu: "The fact is that the economic growth we had in the last quarter was in line with expectations. Of course it bounces around from quarter to quarter but it was in line with our overarching expectation." <<< bwahaha who is this ignorant twerp. he looks like an indigent and speaks like an indigent, too!
mircea_popescu: "Features that make CockroachDB unstoppable What a database needs in 2015" << fuck that nonsense, what's the year got to do with anything.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller infinity, who would want to use a private stock exchange that has a proven track record of everything.
mircea_popescu: it's reddit after all.
thestringpuller: havelock still exists?
mircea_popescu: Suppressing U.S.-mandated seat-belt warning tone << holy shit that rules.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller more or less in the manner picostocks still exists.
thestringpuller: https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/3jh9t5/are_there_any_private_stock_exchanges_that_deal/cupdl1r << "GLBSE did. It was magical. But the SEC shut it down. Theymos has all rge money from it." << dunno if sarcasm.
thestringpuller: GLBSE was anything but magical, but mmkay.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 11:35:05; shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller plox to not import multiple versions of the same stupid into ba thx
mircea_popescu: "Will there ever be a point in time where bitcoin will be so easy to use that it won't be intimidating for the average Joe?"
mircea_popescu: "the average joe" does not belong above ground, either.
fluffypony: the extraordinary joe, on the other hand
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:21:52; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261287 << i thought mircea_popescu wouldn't be caught dead using a phone, much less calling usa...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 58851 @ 0.00070803 = 41.6683 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261457 << a) everywhere. literally. how dumbfucked usians are needs no further proof than this simple fact. you derps put up with charge for INCOMING, srsly ? heh. b) i have like a dozen+. disposable cellphone ftw.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:25:01; asciilifeform: where, exactly, can you get phone that doesn't charge for incoming ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261467 << that's another one. lol, srsly ? why are you buying it then. "oh because here we got no options". mmmmkay.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:27:05; asciilifeform: many american ones do not.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261469 << actually it's both. either alone is pretty useless.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 14:29:28; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261276 << the proverbial 'boeing full of tapes' is faster than ~anybody~'s pipe. when people pay for 'high-speed net', they are usually paying for ~low latency~ rather than high bandwidth.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=20-08-2015#1244828 << to expound on this a little. there are two fundamental contexts for defeat, and only two. you probably know them from engineering : if a) your fundamentals are sound, you refine the implementation ; if b) your fundamentals are rotten you change the fundamentals.
assbot: Logged on 20-08-2015 01:15:46; mircea_popescu: and it would seem the us is all glass. much like hitler's socialist regime, or stalin's socialist regime, the us socialism can not really take defeat well. either they turn it around or they go under, there's no "occupied france" going on.
mircea_popescu: thus a is a "minor bug" and b is a "we have to refactor".
mircea_popescu: exactly the same is the situation in politics, which are throughout software. if the country is run by unfit men, which is the very definition of socialism, the fundamentals are ipso facto rotten. everyone knows they are rotten. the only reason things carry on is because "well, it works", ie, it hasn't crashed yet. once it crashes, that's it, off to the scrap heap.
mircea_popescu: socialism doesn't take defeat well the same way crappy software doesn't take failure well.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile if the country is run by fit men, defeat only strengthens the resolve. a fine example are the early roman republican defeats, which merely served to raise more army behind the senate,
mircea_popescu: or for that matter the numerous setbacks and defeats of the us rebel army up to and including valleyforge.
mircea_popescu: (this is also why socialism is so keen in inventing imaginary enemies. the drain on resources faux "wars" with imagined boogaboos impose is bad, but not terminal. the advantage of an enemy that can never actually come in and defeat you, for lack of existence, is unparalleled. and so it goes.)
mircea_popescu: anyway, the only good thing coming out of that parade (an event imbecile "world leaders" are not going to - and should be hanged by their constituencies for not having attended, if those constituencies weren't made up of retards) is that xi specifically mentioned discrimination as bad. this is an improbable stance for china.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: and "potential new users" are going to "leave ship". << lol davout
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51200 @ 0.00070916 = 36.309 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 16:28:18; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261467 << that's another one. lol, srsly ? why are you buying it then. "oh because here we got no options". mmmmkay.
ascii_field: the broomstick ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27713 @ 0.00071516 = 19.8192 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261554 << over here, they flag residences with more-than-average count of distinct sim id
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 16:26:26; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261457 << a) everywhere. literally. how dumbfucked usians are needs no further proof than this simple fact. you derps put up with charge for INCOMING, srsly ? heh. b) i have like a dozen+. disposable cellphone ftw.
ascii_field: (then, naturally, parallel-construct.)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261558 << how might one have, physically, low-latency without high bandwidth? you could serialize the bits, and immediately get the other. it is only high bandwidth that does not automatically imply low latency
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 16:28:59; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261469 << actually it's both. either alone is pretty useless.
BingoBoingo: <jurov> but mpex order/trade matching is hairy, errors are likely to snowball << Maybe it is because MPEx skipped its summer vacation this year?
jurov: lol what does summer vacation have with order matching?
BingoBoingo: jurov: I don't know exactly, but Maybe the server is cranky?
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:14:22; *: trinque had unpasteurized milk recently; there's a good farm for it nearby
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33850 @ 0.00071388 = 24.1648 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260586 << its an obvious place for the market to be right now. gotta aggregate demand.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 01:37:31; asciilifeform: the other interesting thing is that the market is segmented in such a way that anyone who doesn't want mcfood ends up paying for ~all~ the alt-crackpotteries, not merely the logical ones
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45985 @ 0.00070286 = 32.321 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:43:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1260662 << actually this is the one place where the clean hand of marketronics seems to me most apparent. reasonable sane people are not numerous enough here to be a market segment even to sell a paper clip.
ben_vulpes: well your "here" is batshit nuts amigo.
ascii_field: wai wat - ben_vulpes does not see this segmentation where he lives ?
ascii_field: e.g., can buy antibiotic-free but gmo-enabled chicken ?
ben_vulpes: there are enough reasonable sane people here to make farmers markets within walking distance of my house 4/7 days of the week financially viable.
ascii_field: similar here
ascii_field: not what i was talking about.
ascii_field: was discussing - specifically - stores.
ben_vulpes: quit bullshitting, nothing is in walking distance of your house!
ascii_field: wai wat
ascii_field: farmer's market is 10 min of walk away
ben_vulpes: leastaways that was a complaint i heard from you once.
ascii_field: the woman is there right now.
ascii_field: over here, it's a weekly thing
punkman: food supply also needs WoT
ben_vulpes shrugs
ben_vulpes: stores?
ben_vulpes: people who eat manufactured food - eat manufactured food.
ascii_field: ben_vulpes gets oil for frying pan at the farmer market ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31350 @ 0.0006944 = 21.7694 BTC [-]
ascii_field: phun phakt: in recent year or so, 'paypal' will simply sit on a transaction for three weeks, collecting interest from the money.
ascii_field: (in addition to the usual fees, etc)
ascii_field: this is actually tangentially related to the market thing earlier with ben_vulpes
ascii_field: in that THERE IS NO ALT-PAYPAL because THERE IS NO ALT-EBAY
kakobrekla: last time i had a dispute solved by paypal, i was overcompensated.
punkman: ebay is not that different to amazon these days
kakobrekla: in the words of Blake, "just lucky, i guess".
ascii_field: punkman: amazon is not a sole source for anything
punkman: and ebay is?
ascii_field: ebay is.
ascii_field: where the fuck am i supposed to get, e.g, specific bracket for specific circa-1992 laptop ?
punkman: such as?
ascii_field: or soviet z80 cpu of particular east german factory
ascii_field: or, or, or,
ascii_field: times 1,001 in a year or less
ascii_field: srsly, if the answer is 'don't do that, instead put this broomstick up your arse' then fuckyou
assbot: Watch Boeing demolish this old 757 for recycling - GeekWire ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXY99a )
punkman: ebay has been optimizing for "chinese supermarket" sellers for a long time now.
ascii_field: punkman: aha.
punkman: ascii_field: your argument has merit, but I don't think for long
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 18:28:40; kakobrekla: in the words of Blake, "just lucky, i guess".
assbot: You gonna shoot me? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1LXZYTy )
ascii_field: punkman et al: notice how paypal is among the most hated firms in the world, prolly right up there with microshit; and yet there is no escape from it if you use ebay
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 21:29:20; ascii_field: as far as i'm concerned, historically, ebay is just this gizmo that shaves a zero off the price of the costliest things i buy. so i was never moved to care whether it is run by hitler or fueled with baby seal juice etc.
assbot: Logged on 30-04-2015 21:21:12; ascii_field: http://www.loper-os.org/vintage/paralleleye/eye.html << example of item i bought on ebay. where the fuck else is it even physically possible to get one of these? sotheby's? it took 5+ yrs of searching, too
phf: <ascii_field> they flag residences with more-than-average count of distinct sim id << they do? i don't even know how many sims i have, they have all kinds of practical applications! sms proxies, rc helicopters, remote triggered explosive devices, what?
ascii_field: phf: if you're ~connected~ with more than a handful, you are flagged.
ascii_field: precisely how many and within what geographic spot constitutes 'interesting', i do not know. ask the inquisitor when it's your turn in the room 101 chair.
ascii_field: the main flagging criterion as per various leaked papers is 'sim that connects only occasionally'
ascii_field: it is auto-interesting.
phf: well, damn
phf: elsewhere on the internet http://www.ebay.com/itm/181823958627
assbot: Vintage HP 16C Computer Scientific Calculator Plus Original Manual and Case 766897448522 | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LOKcr0 )
phf: $350
ascii_field: i got one of these.
ascii_field: and WHERE THE FUCK OTHER THAN EBAY could i have gotten it.
ascii_field: monopoly.
kakobrekla: they sell those too on ebay.
phf: naturally all the retro names fetch a pretty penny
ascii_field: phf: it isn't about 'retro name' but about the only programmer's calculator ever made
ascii_field: as in, does shr and shl, and/or/xor/not, hex->dec->oct->bin, each of these with 1 keypress
ascii_field: and 64 bits of working reg
ascii_field: i use this thing every day.
phf: there's that conversion project, that takes one of the modern hp calculators and adds a programmer friendly firmware. the layout is not as good though
ascii_field: i don't want the 49 series with their idiot vertical layout and tiny keys
assbot: WP 34S Scientific Calculator ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY2LMn )
phf: right
ascii_field: and FUCK NO do i not want multiple keypresses for the above ops
ascii_field: classic 'here have this thing that isn't actually the same at all'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.0006944 = 25.9706 BTC [-]
phf: "why would you need it? when you can have an ipad app version!!"
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> ben_vulpes gets oil for frying pan at the farmer market ? << Doesn't the oil render of the MEGA_Hippie pork lardons?
ascii_field: and even if it were the correct size & shape, I AM NOT FUCKING WRITING ON KEYS WITH PEN
shinohai: ascii_field: I liked this post of yours: http://www.loper-os.org/?p=1490 would indeed be interesting to materialize.
assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LY30Hl )
ascii_field: shinohai: it materialized, i used it for years.
phf: ascii_field: guy who wrote firmware also distributes laminates. i hear you, but it's the whole poverty point, for me it was a step up from "why the fuck can't i get a decent rpn calculator?" i tried iphone apps even..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54122 @ 0.0006922 = 37.4632 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: phf: it is better to use a really good computer proggy, like 'derive', than a shit calculator
phf: i've noticed that. i have a pretty hacked up ccl repl, that does math for me in infix notation, and that's something that i reach for in anger. i'd like something as easy, and preferably portable
ascii_field: the lack of an EXACT knockoff 16c anywhere on the planet is among the best evidence for mircea_popescu's hypothesis that 'no one programs'
phf: nobody's going to go out of their way to satisfy the needs of 100 people or so, who are also temperamentally ascetics
phf: except for medici of course
phf: but we have shortage of those
ascii_field: those ran out long ago.
jurov: aw my eyes
phf: !up ascii_field
phf: ascii_field: have you used calc at all?
ascii_field: thing is, i like doing things away from computer.
jurov never heard of derive.exe before ... such abject poverty
assbot: Logged on 01-09-2015 03:05:59; asciilifeform: ;;later tell gernika http://loper-os.org/pub/derive_and_more.img.gz << floppy image containing PROPER msdos, sys utils (for making more of self), himem, edit, qbasic, buncha other stuff, and Derive.
jurov: yes saw it, kudos!
ascii_field: it will boot on raw iron or on any reasonable emulator
phf: i'm disappointed that amazon caved and went the retard route with their kindle. i've gotten as far as booting temacs on kindle, back when it still had a shitty but hardware keyboard, gave up when i saw version two with touch screen, left in disgusts when fire came out
ascii_field: phf: 'dx' was imho the only usable machine from them
ascii_field: everything else - dross
phf: i have a hand rolled version of instapaper that takes html articles and adds them to a periodic readinglist.mobi. same for b-a logs. in fact i read most of the stuff on kindle, far away from a real computer..
trinque: ! DOS toys
phf: but that goes with the whole "market of 100 people"
ascii_field: phf: iirc this is a piece of shit
ascii_field: it runs winblows
ascii_field: it also has laughably low res
ascii_field: (nothing close to 300 dpi)
phf: probably could be reversed, but at the price point nobody with that amount of free time will bother. there's a chinese firmware hack, that replaces kindle's os
ascii_field: i had this on my dx, they are invariably shit
ascii_field: full of supposedly-tolerable 'minor imperfections' like most opensource garbage
assbot: Texas State student rides her Barbie Jeep around campus after DWI arrest, Internet loves it - San Antonio Express-News ... ( http://bit.ly/1POa0o7 )
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phf: imho that was the first wave of retards in linux the whole "linux on desktop" thing, shifted massive amounts of resources towards догоним и перегоним. instead of bullet proof fvwm or whatever, you now have a dozen of windows ripoffs with "minor imperfections", but don't worry there's a libfoo that adds exposé support to your terminal characters
ascii_field: this was a plague for many many years
ascii_field: starting with gnome/kde
ascii_field: but with regards to 'chinese firmware' i meant the opposite end of the plague
ascii_field: 'none of the buttons work but that's ok, you can press morse with power switch to scroll'
phf: hehehe
ascii_field: aka 'linux on laptops'
shinohai: The most 'murican gun ever BingoBoingo: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTy-Z6rBMLQ
assbot: Video: CAIR-FL Calls New Assault Weapon Inscribed with Bible Verse a ‘Shameful Marketing Ploy’ - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1POauuh )
ascii_field: what's it say? 'i come not with peace but a sword' ?
ascii_field: 'eye for eye' ?
trinque: "deter muslim terrorists" lol
phf: this is probably not the best example but there's only so much time you can spend googling "ak-47 allah" at a packed lebanese cafe
BingoBoingo: shinohai: "And the Egyptians shall know that I am the LORD."?
assbot: Crusader w/12 M-LOK & Dynacomp 2 [STR5525-M2D] - $1,395.00 : Spikes Tactical ... ( http://bit.ly/1POaSJk )
shinohai: Hell, having a bible verse on a rifle discourages *me* from using it.
ascii_field: l0l this reminds me of the 'hello kitty' rifle
BingoBoingo: shinohai: "Kill the bullock before the LORD ... bring the blood, and sprinkle the blood round about upon the altar."?
ascii_field: popularly bought by wife to discourage husband from hogging it at target practice day
ascii_field: srsly, walk into any u.s. gun shop, there they are, bright-pink kalash, etc
assbot: Psalm 144:1 TSK: Blessed be the LORD, my rock, who trains my hands for battle and my fingers for warfare, ... ( http://bit.ly/1POb5we )
trinque: Blessed be the LORD, my rock, Who trains my hands for war, And my fingers for battle;
trinque: danielpbarron: found your gun ^
trinque: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: shinohai: "And there came out a fire from the LORD, and consumed the two hundred and fifty men that offered incense."?
shinohai: Maybe danielpbarron can tell us if it fulfills a prophecy. Bible is out of my league.
shinohai: Though I do want a copy of that "Queen James" Bible translation to keep on the shelf for when Mormons come over.r
jurov: I'd play safe and had a Greek one. That one's passable for Catholics and Protestants too
BingoBoingo: Also greek allows maximum trollage when you tell Missionaries the original text isn't all that exciting
trinque: these gun-toting christians hate socialism, so I like them just fine
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trinque: http://www.cnn.com/2015/09/03/europe/migration-crisis-aylan-kurdi-turkey-canada/ << meanwhile the propaganda machine says "save the poor syrian refugees!"
shinohai: I honest;y don't have a problem with most, except the real real fundies
assbot: The Queen James Bible: 9780615724539: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1POcrH7 )
trinque: shinohai: I see it as just another way to line people up into some semblance of a command structure
shinohai: Onward Christian Soldiers
phf: trinque: my main issue with fundamentalists and their ilk is that they are busybodies and tend to get into other people's business. none of that "render unto caesar". not to mention that the whole badass christian patriarch stance is pathetic, because its false.
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trinque: phf: I can see that point, but I see the problem as a matter of what rules are imposed, not that they are imposed.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45677 @ 0.00070866 = 32.3695 BTC [+] {3}
trinque: the alternative at least in the US seems to be this social-media narcissism which feels not just justified but entitled to arbitrary beliefs
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joecool: !up ascii_field
trinque: phf: also elaborate if you would on how the "badass christian patriarch" is false?
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ascii_field: trinque: no shortage of this. picture the 'patriarch' in usg divorce court
ascii_field: or in usg jail for having 'eye for an eye'-d
ascii_field: or 10,001 other exercises of his would-be pashtunism
ascii_field: which end in a sore starfish and little else
trinque: wouldn't he say that he'd like the laws changed further in his favor in those cases?
ascii_field: would like a pony also.
trinque: but yes, not much he can do here and now
trinque: and most of these people don't see that the american system resulted in precisely that predicament
ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog'
assbot: Last 8 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1HSJP9H.txt )
trinque: yep, I was briefly interested in this "Oath Keepers" thing, but they're ironically exactly the white counterpart to #blacklivesmatter
joecool: hrm, was I purged from the WoT graph? catching up on trilema and the logs that appears to be the case?
trinque: marching around, yes with guns, but for display
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 13:45:47; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the original story with these is that they were simply a group of officers who... took an oath
BingoBoingo: !gettrust joecool
assbot: Trust relationship from user BingoBoingo to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 3 via 4 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=BingoBoingo&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
assbot: A new Lordship List ? on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYer1O )
trinque: "should they later find the time, interest and inclination to contribute substantially (as I have no doubt any actually could), there's going to be more revisions."
BingoBoingo: Ah, subtracted for low activity, and lack of any specific known pledge of allegience it seems joecool
BingoBoingo: !gettrust assbot joecool
assbot: Trust relationship from user assbot to user joecool: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=assbot&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
BingoBoingo: Still got that level 2 swag though
joecool: I don't speak too often in here, but I do like to keep up with things
joecool: nice job with qntra.net by the way, I read that daily
BingoBoingo: Thanks.
BingoBoingo: I just try not to suck.
trinque: this "syrian toddler" thing is everywhere. must be time for war
ascii_field: trinque: how else to get american airforce into the meatgrinder, for ru to practice on
joecool: Best to have realistic goals I suppose. The bitcoin news sites that suck group is pretty crowded anyway
ascii_field: been far too long since vietnam, neither side even remembers what the other looks like, other than from old photos
trinque: haha, maybe we'll have a nice reunion soon
trinque: seems you could draw us back into the middle east, meanwhile hit us economically like china seems to be doing, and that's it
trinque: our DC idiots will probably walk right into it
assbot: Putin showcases Russia's pivot to Asia as he visits China for WWII parade - CSMonitor.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYgy5y )
mats: 14:30:38 <+ascii_field> times 1,001 in a year or less << aliexpress?
ascii_field: mats: were you paying attention when i specifically mentioned ancient hardware ?
ascii_field: FIND ME A MOTHERFUCKING HP200LX ON ALI
ascii_field: fine me a ~USED~ sherline four-jaw lathe chuck on ali.
mats: touchy
ascii_field: find me a 2007 amd opteron socket-1207 cpu on ali.
assbot: Used HP 200LX PC 2MB RAM w Agilent Wave Viewer Card | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LYheIb )
ascii_field: trinque: i am listing only objects i already have
ascii_field: and that cannot be had anywhere other than ebay.
trinque: ah; well this thing looks cool
ascii_field: 'have good luck and know someone selling it' is not an alternative
ascii_field: i have shit luck and don't know anyone who has anything i want.
trinque: 0 results found for macivory, so we searched for m ivory << no kidding
ascii_field: trinque: some items even on ebay i had to wait for years to find.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 18:26:06; ascii_field: phun phakt: in recent year or so, 'paypal' will simply sit on a transaction for three weeks, collecting interest from the money.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: 2014 rule
kakobrekla: in yurop is different, every country has online flea markets in their own language, many of them quite obscure. you find many gems if you can navigate that.
mircea_popescu: "oh,. bitcoin needs larger blocks, because to compete with paypal's three week poayment processing!!1"
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i suspect that won't last too long.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: i buy things that literally one out of a million people has to sell.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: and i don't have a sotheby's budget to do it with, either.
ascii_field: hence ebay.
kakobrekla: but its most often taht you need to drive to pick it up as seller doesnt give a shit to post it, even if you offer pay.
phf: trinque: modern christian position on divorce, on a role of a woman in household, on a role of man in household, on premarital sex, all sham. fundamentally there's no belief in the bible. no first world christian guy would even consider living according to bible in, say, muslim style. so what constitutes badassery? hunting from a back of a pickup, or "i was linebacker 30 years ago"?
kakobrekla: ascii_field i have found one in a million things there that ebay could not provide.
ascii_field: kakobrekla: same. many times
trinque: phf: eh, I don't think you know my rednecks
ascii_field: kakobrekla: but when i ~do~ find the magic artifact, it is 100% on ebay.
trinque: not saying I believe in the bible myself, but they do, and have read and studied it
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: this is not because ebay is a great thing, but because it has killed everything else remotely comparable.
ascii_field: long, long ago
phf: trinque: tell your redneck to go to his church and say out loud that he beliefs that divorce is a sin, that woman that initiates a divorce can no be redeemed in the eyes of god, etc.
phf: *believes
trinque: they do.
trinque: there's a whole other world outside the cities, and its not all inbred
kakobrekla: even got an item for 500e on one such obscure place, an item that surfaces on ebay once a year and goes for 5k.
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: going, going, gone. in 2012.
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla: fiat 500e ? the electric one ?
kakobrekla: 500euros
phf: trinque: i don't have a reference for that rednecks that i go snowboarding and sometimes hunting with are not very religious. they just say all the tv talking points, abortion, gays, liberal elite, etc.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: ever since the S.DICE thing?
phf: trinque: but i'm thinking specifically of ~christian~ communities rather then rednecks specifically. my reference point are friends whose parents are "active in church" or work as missionaries abroad
phf: and they seem to be as contemptible as any liberal suburban family, just with some polarities switched
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: ever since he chose not to show up here and get in the wot
trinque: phf: I know christians that believe the man's the head of the house, and that one is to follow the bible literally
trinque: one's that would get along with danielpbarron
trinque: *ones
jurov: i have met him personally in timisoara (and his trophy gf), did not look like a good fit
ascii_field: voorhes ?
jurov: yes
trinque: phf: I see the beliefs themselves less relevant than the command structure implied by them
ascii_field: hasn't he revealed himself to be a spammer piece of shit ?
jurov: voorhees was on 1st conf
trinque: somebody could figure out a way to do something interesting with that.
ascii_field does not know voorhes personally, but distinctly recalls that the man was embroiled in spam
jurov: well.. wences casares was there, too, not sure if it was the same eyar
ascii_field: jurov: iirc from mircea_popescu's article, that was one of the people there
pete_dushenski: xapohead went to timisoara ?!
jurov: yes he did
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: History
BingoBoingo: It's a weird thing
pete_dushenski: the only thing new...
jurov: i had a bit heated discussion with him that it the wallet users don't own the privkeys, wtf is that all about
thestringpuller: !gettrust evoorhees
assbot: Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user evoorhees: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 1 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=thestringpuller&to=evoorhees | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/evoorhees/
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: ^^^ he's in wot...
ascii_field: jurov: i was never able to conceive of casares as anything other than a 'wallet-inspector' sc4mz0r
jurov: well.. if i hadn't met you in person, i'd have very different image too :)
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: good digging, i suspected he might've been, but search for 'voorhees' on btcalpha drew up a blank
kakobrekla: voorhees and casares were at the first meet
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: upon further review, he's evorhees isn't in assbot's l2, so i guess he's not in the wot after all.
kakobrekla: they saw kako is in reality a nice guy and left the place.
pete_dushenski: that ~would~ be pretty disappointing
jurov was watching mpoe-pr aka hanbot in action, riding her tablet
mats: jurov: have an eta for coinbr availability?
jurov: have pinpointed the cause, tomorrow evening likely
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
thestringpuller: “Now, everyone sees this as a critical topic. I know of more than 100 firms that are trying to make the blockchain more scalable, more secure, to make the one that everybody will use. There’s a race on out there.”
midnightmagic: a.k.a. scamcoin developers
assbot: Google Groupes ... ( http://bit.ly/1JF0jGX )
assbot: Salmon spawns on Obama in Alaska - CNNPolitics.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JF0rpU )
ascii_field: btcdrak: that thing appears to require login
jurov: "He was happy to see me," Obama added.
shinohai: "Of course this doesn't help mining pools. They would need to find ways to sink the DoS attacks themselves." LOL
assbot: Logged on 16-08-2015 17:54:18; kakobrekla: wheres that ddoser now, could be put to good use
btcdrak: Oh let me screencap it then
BingoBoingo: It's official, Obama like Kanye West loves fish sticks and is in fact a gay fish.
kakobrekla: lol@'version collector'
btcdrak: Here: http://i.imgur.com/cM8Y4KD.png it's so ludicrous. Give you an insight into how Mike actually thinks
mike_c: oh gavin.. "... which should eventually evolve into "download, check for valid signatures, and automatically upgrade" code (yet another feature that I think it is pretty clear people want that can't make it past the Core idea review process)."
kakobrekla: hearn >
kakobrekla: My nodes got hit with 25 GBit/sec. The university firewall handled it like a pro, but I was forced to shut off my nodes. Due to the security implications (I guess DDoS attacks are a security risk now?) I'll have to fight to get them back up again.
mircea_popescu: herp. so he's mooching bw and everything from maryland ?
ascii_field: wai wat
ascii_field: hearn is with shi et al now ?!
pete_dushenski: garzik re 'bip100' reddit convo : This is mostly pre-feedback, transcribing the discussion documentation into a technical specification. The doc & spec & code will evolve from here, based on community feedback and testing."
mircea_popescu: ascii_field the us is a tiny, parochial space
mircea_popescu: there's like... a huffingluepost and so forth.
ascii_field: tiny more from the fact that it compresses so well
ascii_field: just about whole thing is tied with identical pieces
ascii_field: *tiled
btcdrak: mike_c: autoupdate has been discussed a lot in Core, and is absolutely out of the questions because of the security implications.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
deedbot-: [Qntra] Obama Brings Fish to Orgasm In Alaska Vacation Hijinks - http://qntra.net/2015/09/obama-brings-fish-to-orgasm-in-alaska-vacation-hijinks/
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assbot: The Swarm Manned Aerial Vehicle Multirotor Super Drone Flying - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNgfJp )
ascii_field: ~somebody~ reads the logz
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261703 <<this never worked for me. because i don't just read, i have a tree of activites. it's not even a tree, its a graph, with cycles. line in log leads to documentation or to article writing half the time. and tablets are unusable for any purpose other than tv
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 19:17:20; phf: i have a hand rolled version of instapaper that takes html articles and adds them to a periodic readinglist.mobi. same for b-a logs. in fact i read most of the stuff on kindle, far away from a real computer..
mircea_popescu: in fact... that's imo the driver behind "smartphone" (tablets y compris) : here, have this lighter tv screen you can shove in your ass.
mircea_popescu: when all is said and done, "the people themselves" do not want a computer but a tv set.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i use a (very large) tablet thing to read djvu scans, and (occasionally) hyperlinkified therealbitcoin src. that's it.
mircea_popescu: and if you have to check out a poem ? drop back to desktop ?>
ascii_field: poem also works on it
mircea_popescu: how do you tell it what poem
ascii_field: but frustrating
ascii_field: for the reason you pointed out.
ascii_field: no adequate input.
ascii_field: (though the thing has provisions for an external keyboard, in principle)
mircea_popescu: but the only comfortable position for keyboarding is sitting
mircea_popescu: by which point...
ascii_field: hence it is strictly for reading a particular item.
ascii_field: at the same time i ~would~ like a >300 dpi screen on real computer
mircea_popescu: what i would like is if they stopped dicking around and made holo displays already
ascii_field: l0l wtf for
mircea_popescu: all this "2d view of a 3d world" shit is for the birds./
ascii_field: i want to see transparently through my display like i want a second arse.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field for proper graph display. imagine mike's wot graph in 3d.
ascii_field: this is one of those things that ~sounds~ great until you do it.
mircea_popescu: i want a 1 cubic metre display. dun care so much about dpi
ascii_field: i used to wear a 3dvisor for a living.
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mircea_popescu: it can be 60 dpi, as long as it's 1 cu m
ascii_field: it isn't fun.
mircea_popescu: no. the "3d visor" is still 2d.
ascii_field: was a high-end silicongraphics thing
mircea_popescu: doesn't matter.
mircea_popescu: i mean it, actual 3d display.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: to walk around it ?
mircea_popescu: they can use magnetics to create tiny refraction surfaces in mid air
mircea_popescu: so i could fucking think WITH a computer for once.
ascii_field: over the years i conceived of several designs for such a thing. because i, too, wanted one.
ascii_field: but strictly the kind mircea_popescu describes - with true three-axis box
mircea_popescu: none of that fake "3d in 2d" bs. actual 3d display. i need an[other] electric car like i need another hairdo.
mircea_popescu: THIS is what's needed.
ascii_field: i did realize, though, that there is nothing to connect it to.
mircea_popescu: lisp machine.
mircea_popescu would like to say THAT web2.0. the proper one. "cube webpages"
mircea_popescu: anyway. magnetic bottle exists, there's no fucking excuse. not like any sort of quantum leap is required. just index and miniaturize.
ascii_field: only thing is, when viewing text i need it to be opaque.
ascii_field: 100% opaque.
ascii_field: otherwise it is like reading on plastic bag.
mircea_popescu: look : if it can keep gas in, it should be able to keep light out
ascii_field: this design approach makes hot fusion look easy.
ascii_field: realize, nothing in, e.g., a tokamak, is ever dense enough to become anything like opaque.
mircea_popescu: the real problem here is that ... well... no rich people left. nobody to say "fuck you, either make this and you get one trillion, or i spend a trillion torturing your families. you have one year."
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: see also http://www.loper-os.org/?p=35
assbot: Loper OS » The Glove Box ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNirR7 )
ascii_field: very old turd i wrote
assbot: Turkmenistan - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNizQE )
ascii_field: 'In the marble streets of Ashgabat, we soon grow a bit tired and sweaty. In theory, we could rest a bit inside one of the many bus stops, designed to be air-conditioned. The air-conditioning has stopped working, so instead they are now glass ovens where you can bake yourself. We decide to wait outside. ' << orc win !
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:13:18; ascii_field: or 10,001 other exercises of his would-be pashtunism
mircea_popescu: !s rotherham
assbot: 7 results for 'rotherham' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=rotherham
mircea_popescu: sore starfish alright.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao.
mircea_popescu fantasises at the dystopia where alf writes PR for a living.
mircea_popescu: !gettrust joecool
assbot: Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user joecool: Level 1: 1, Level 2: 3 via 5 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=mircea_popescu&to=joecool | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/joecool/
phf: kindle solves specific problem of my eyes getting tired of staring at backlit screen
mircea_popescu: phf other solution to that is to kill the backlight.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261798 << ah, nuttin wrong with that. but the l1 is more active an affair.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:21:03; joecool: I don't speak too often in here, but I do like to keep up with things
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261999 << l0l i stole the text from mircea_popescu
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 22:33:16; mircea_popescu: ascii_field: they happily send their sons to army so they can 'die for a fat bitch's right to marry her dog' << wow. that, right there, is more valuable to orlov's employer than orlov's entire body of work to date. mebbe you get job offers nao.
ascii_field: !s marry her dog
assbot: 2 results for 'marry her dog' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=marry+her+dog
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261807 << once man starts thinking strategically, all sorts of patterns emerge huh
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 20:28:51; trinque: seems you could draw us back into the middle east, meanwhile hit us economically like china seems to be doing, and that's it
mircea_popescu: ascii_field wut ? i said that ?
ascii_field: apparently
mircea_popescu: ok, ladies and gents, this here is what narcissism actually is, at its peak.
mircea_popescu: i like my shit so much!
ascii_field: i'm pretty sure i have done this.
mircea_popescu: no but i meant metaphorically
phf: mircea_popescu: how do i kill a backlight?
ascii_field: 'this is spiffy, i wish i'd written it' - 'waitasec, i did write it'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field :p
mircea_popescu: phf this screen rightnao i have at 6300K and 0.375 gamma
mircea_popescu: it's a pleasure.
ascii_field: phf: what do you have that is readable without a backlight?
phf: ascii_field: kindle
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: unless you have a 'eizo' or 'barco', those numbers have very tenuous relation to physical reality
ascii_field: but are more like the dial of a washing machine
mircea_popescu: the 6300K thing is WAY more important than anyone realises. and cutting down on the gamma helps loads.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field this is a lg
ascii_field: i tend to run even 'redder'
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mircea_popescu: aha. blue is the fatiguer. and, of course, goes without saying, small fonts.
kakobrekla: so 'blue light makes you more alert' or someshit science is bogus?
mircea_popescu: more alert and more tired correlate anyway
mircea_popescu: anyway, i have nfi what "alert" means. but fatigue is defined.
joecool: overstimulation leads to fatigue/exhaustion sort of thing"
kakobrekla: some go as far as to treat jetlag with that
mircea_popescu: none of the bitches that tan are as alert as the bitches that don't.
mircea_popescu: so dunno.
mircea_popescu: joecool turns out people have very different tolerances to far-blue and UV. it's a function of the quality of filtering they got which is mostly genetics.
mircea_popescu: anyway, as a rule of thumb, the bluer a light runs the cheaper it is and the shittier too. as phillips' been driving its crusade to replace all lights with shittier lights to complete the precious indications given at the 18th plenary of the permanent comission of the central committee of the economic planning bureau
mircea_popescu: it'd be expected that the central authority for communication and propaganda pumps out supporting evidence through its respective organs
joecool: !up ascii_field
phf: i've over optimized in the direction of making kindle work for me, but it is like looking through peephole. i solve the whole branching problem by relying on their notes feature: whatever you select on kindle gets saved to a text file that gets copied into my notes during sync. correspondingly my article saving mechanism converts all links to title (url) form, so i can follow up when on desktop
phf: now that i verbalize it, it's totally a programmer rabbit hole, probably should've just fixed my monitor..
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joecool: we run 2750K incandescent bulbs in my office
mircea_popescu: phf i think 2/3 of the benefit regulars derive from being here is this sort of thing
mircea_popescu: great retort BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: this is so typical of fucktard on a mission. "science is bad mkay" except if anyone disagrees with "what is your degree".
BingoBoingo: Just found it online searching the hotsheets.
mircea_popescu: because hey, nothing beats living in TWO DIFFERENT parallel if entirely imaginary universes.
BingoBoingo: https://www.insidehighered.com/quicktakes/2015/09/03/harvard-will-let-students-select-pronouns << Can't wait for the student who selects fuck, piss, shit, and cunt as their pronoun set
assbot: Harvard Will Let Students Select Pronouns | InsideHigherEd ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNn1yH )
BingoBoingo: !up ghtdak
assbot: African Remittance Firm Beam Stops Bitcoin Service in Pivot ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNoK78 )
fluffypony: so I've literally been saying for ages that Africa is far from ready to "embrace" Bitcoin, and half the continent won't want it anyway, but nooooo, nobody listens to me, they all want to shovel Bitcoin down Africa's throat
shinohai: r/bitcoin wants to shove BTC down everyone's throat.
fluffypony: *ADOPTION*!
shinohai: They are like undertakers reading morning obituaries, hoping to find a failing economy to rescue.
shinohai: For whatever reason.
cazalla: fluffypony, you don't want black africans to have bitcoin, you rascally racist
fluffypony: rahzizt
fluffypony: cazalla: it's not even me, Africans don't want Bitcoin because they're quite happy dealing in cash and not paying tax
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assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 02:47:29; mircea_popescu: trinque i'll give you an extra lol. recently the source of the "salt is bad mkay", ie the ustardemia, came out with an admission of the fraudulent nature of that entire swathe of "research". this however has not yet reached the latino "scientists" who mostly exist through translating things and pretending.
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assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 11:35:05; shinohai: My "hacks" were mostly to wiring and such. My mother, in her nasally Jewish voice, always swore I was going to "burn myself alive in my car"
pete_dushenski: to my ear at least, 'shinohai' always sounded japanese
pete_dushenski: 'the other j-meat'
pete_dushenski: (jamaicas is other-other-)
mircea_popescu: well fats actually are bad so
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the vc-derps are pretty much one track. they got one solution for all problems, which is proven to not work for any of them, and they';re sticking to it.
mircea_popescu: contact to ground was lost long enough, by the time graham's in outer space derping to himself about hyperbolics...
mircea_popescu: !up ghtdak
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: which and why?
thestringpuller: Paul Graham literally believes the best startups are ones that don't scale: "When I interviewed Mark Zuckerberg at Startup School, he said that while it was a lot of work creating course lists for each school, doing that made students feel the site was their natural home."
shinohai: pete_dushenski: Nope, worse. My parents became Evangelical Christians. "Jews for Jesus" if you will.
deedbot-: [Qntra] British and North Carolina Teens Prosecuted as Child Pornographers in Separate Cases - http://qntra.net/2015/09/british-and-north-carolina-teens-prosecuted-as-child-pornographers-in-separate-cases/
pete_dushenski: shinohai: are 'jews for jesus' actually that bad ?
pete_dushenski: i admit i've only met two of them, a young couple at pre-natal class, perfectly pleasant really. he even wore a tallit around his waist
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: lol hot damn i was *just* about to start writing up that sexting one. well snagged ! i'll be faster net time.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: I just got a lot of momentum going these past couple days
pete_dushenski: no kidding !
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes that's complicated. but on the balance of it, too much fat makes you fat. which is problematic for the circulatory system
BingoBoingo: Not one big thing, but a bunch of little things that are better recorded than not.
pete_dushenski: "There are roughly 3 trillion trees on Earth — more than seven times the number previously estimated — according to a tally1 by an international team of scientists." << moar upward revisionism, except this kind is more butthurt for climate doomsdayists
mircea_popescu: a warming earth is not bad for vegetation.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: both are needed
mircea_popescu: kinda how that cycle works.
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 03:05:07; asciilifeform: trinque: if you are not among the annointed
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asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i'll bite. name anybody presently rolling in the vc megamillions while doing something of actual worth
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ben_vulpes: nobody is doing anything of 'actual worth' and 'much' is such a wishy-washy term that you can set the bar arbitrarily high.
ben_vulpes: as for names, well
asciilifeform: 'A North Carolina 17-year-old caught in a sexting scandal faces charges of sexually exploiting a minor that could land him in jail for up to 10 years, since the law considers him an adult. But one of the minors he supposedly exploited is himself­—which raises an obvious question: how can a teen be old enough to face adult felony charges, but not old enough to keep a nude picture of himself on his phone? Unfortunately, that
asciilifeform: ’s the Kafka-esque nightmare in which Fayetteville-area high schooler Cormega Copening finds himself after exchanging private nude photos with his girlfriend—with whom he is legally allowed to have sex, but not to sext.' << gold.
assbot: Logged on 05-03-2014 02:05:11; asciilifeform: 'american does not believe the man in the uniform to be a bandit, with whom one can come to an understanding. he believes him to be a robot, who must be feared. american law enforcers are able to, by pressing on the keyboard of a multitude of laws and regulations, 'transmute' the most insignificant peccadillo into a monstrous deed. FBI did not need to beat up Monica or toss into her purse heroin or am
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asciilifeform: does anyone have a link to the actual indictment ?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^ ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not that I've found yet
mircea_popescu: i dunno how one could be 17yo, a us citizen, and NOT sms nude pics of themselves to every single usg official in sighh
mircea_popescu: then filing complaints with the lot.
mircea_popescu: it just... it doesn't fit in my head.
mircea_popescu: i wish we had had something like this when i was a kid.
BingoBoingo: State court indictments are a pain, typically involve going to actual courthouse or subscribing to expensive service like Westlaw and praying they sent someone to the courthouse already.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: how would that work ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: you know full well the result, '17yo charged with self-exploitation and besmirching the honourable name of a servant of the crown'
mircea_popescu: step A. get list of phone numbers of everyone. step 2. get all the 100+ sluts you know taking nude pics of themselves. step 3. having same send said pics with appropriate text to the 1.
mircea_popescu: step d. have 2 file complaints against 1.
mircea_popescu: 100 * say 10k = 1mn counts for the system to sort through
asciilifeform: there will be no sorting, and no trials.
mircea_popescu: i don't care what "the result" is.
BingoBoingo: Whatever Obama jacked off a fish on CNN, that's beastiality
mircea_popescu: wouldja stop presenting as fact things you have literally no idea about ?
mircea_popescu: when's the last time you spoke to a judge ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not recently.
mircea_popescu: so then why and wherefore!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: but this scheme strikes me as far too obvious to be doable and not-yet-done.
mircea_popescu: not a very good heuristic.
asciilifeform: the other thing being that somebody has to indict.
mircea_popescu: up to 2001 airplane bomb would have striken you idem
asciilifeform: actually the airplane bomb was abundantly obvious since when, 1944 ?
mircea_popescu: and so ?
mircea_popescu: heck, the japanese even deployed them as a military weapon.
asciilifeform: hence 1944
asciilifeform: (iirc a few in '43 even)
mircea_popescu: so yes, we both see that this could readily be done, and we both see it's not done. i wonder in amazement, you posit a "because". i dun think your position's reasonable.
asciilifeform: so let's see if i grok this, somebody is to indict, e.g., warren buffet, or clitler, over spam sent by some anonymous schmuck ?
mircea_popescu: and on the balance of evidence, it's more likely the 17 yo in question have serious autism issues. because they similarly can't talk to girls and so forth.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why not ? there's a complaint, there'sd proof. what else.
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mircea_popescu: and besides, who cares abnout eiother of these two. you just taker the whole plum book and execute it all.
asciilifeform: wake me up when the pots of oil are boiling and the tickets are on sale
mircea_popescu: yes, it's probable they'd come up with some sort of "doesn't count", but should be fun to see nevertheless.
mircea_popescu: anyway, what i question is, the imbecile adolescent population that is not hard at work breaking the society they live in.
mircea_popescu: it's unconscionable.
asciilifeform: their 'don't count' works in the same way as in all times and places. kennedies can gf after gf, and no one indicts, corzine et al can steal $maxint, etc.
mircea_popescu: no fucking idea who'd even want to fuck them, that broken.
asciilifeform: *kennedies can drown
mircea_popescu: too much ex post facto in this. kennedy yes, nixon no, clinton yes, petreus no, etc.
asciilifeform: the ones who walked with cia - yes
mircea_popescu: how come the woman can lose state secrets via inept emailing, and is ok, the guy can't talk to some random socially-acceptable whore
asciilifeform: chewed at the straps - no.
mircea_popescu dun buy it.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's just as ex post facto as previously, you just hid it under a rug. srsly, "chewed at straps" ? you just call it that retrospectively.
asciilifeform: the annointed are forgiven pecadillos like murder or grand embezzlement
asciilifeform: show me a bonesman in jail.
mircea_popescu: we had this with rockefellers in camps, you are barred from using the line ever again.
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asciilifeform: all you found was a run-down 'wine-making branch of the family' rothchild
mircea_popescu: this is why you're barred :D
mircea_popescu: your argument was to the name, i delivered the name. it's unsalvageable.
mircea_popescu: incidentally - every time they let a woman near secrets it blew up. there's rice. there's nuland. there's clinton. that's almost all of them.
mircea_popescu: you'd think they'd learn women do not belong at state.
asciilifeform: this among other reasons is why there are no women near interesting secrets.
asciilifeform: on either side of the atlantic.
mircea_popescu: i wonder wtf it is, you'd expect they be better than men, generally speaking.
asciilifeform: theoretically, but you have to build'em a nunnery
thestringpuller: what about that chick who was in mossad...
mircea_popescu: just going by the "there's more wives with secret children than men at any given point"
asciilifeform: this is why i play in my head with the idea of an all-chick meta-nsa.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which'd work for the usg rather than for alt-mp because why.
asciilifeform: for no reason.
asciilifeform: just as an imaginary loch ness monster can listen to bbc vs voice of america for no entirely good reason.
mircea_popescu: haha. no such equality irl.
asciilifeform: anyway we're imagining a physical army vs underground cells, so it stands to reason that it would work for a geographic sovereign
asciilifeform: somewhere.
asciilifeform: see the 'fortress' discussion.
asciilifeform: and i will say that an entity without si fabbing capability is no meta-nsa regardless of what else.
asciilifeform: and si fab requires a fortress.
asciilifeform: fortress - nukes.
asciilifeform: nukes - captive industrial base to parasitise.
mircea_popescu: yeah that's totally how it worked for batman too
mircea_popescu: irl, "physical army" never works for thios purpose. what you get is, at best, private manning
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: i assume you're referring to "The Dark Knight Returns".
mircea_popescu: btw, am i the only one that finds it funny that some dude whose name was MANning decided to be a woman ?
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller isn't batman this derp with a fortress ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i get that humint can be done entirely via 'hashishim' dissolved in planet at large, etc. but build me one single z80 this way.
mircea_popescu: meta-nsa builds z80s ?
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: ah I see. more of a cave. always thought superman was the one with teh "fortress"
asciilifeform: meta-nsa has to be sovereign over own tools of thought.
thestringpuller: irrelavant tho sorry
asciilifeform: or not worthy of the name.
mircea_popescu: but... this is a biological impossibility.
asciilifeform: how's that?
mircea_popescu: your brain is borrowed, not owned.
mircea_popescu: it, principally, concerns itself with other matters.
asciilifeform: brain is not the gold standard, aha. there is a reason why 'mentats' are creatures of imagination and we compute with machines whenever the least bit possible.
mircea_popescu: but the point is, as your brain's not "sovereign" in this sense, no computer ever will be, and there goes that line.
asciilifeform: what is meant by sovereign here is plainly obvious
asciilifeform: is this where we do the 2013 thread re: whether a fully-knowable computing machine is possible, all over again ?
assbot: The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNFRFX )
asciilifeform: or that.
mircea_popescu: what " has to be sovereign over own tools of thought" ?
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asciilifeform: reasoning inductively, from 'any intelligence org that runs winblows on wintel is a joke'
mircea_popescu: by this reasoning, real spies could never be caught dead in drag.
mircea_popescu: because hey. joke.
asciilifeform: is mircea_popescu just testing how much sophistry i can take before i have to go and change gas mask canister ?
mircea_popescu: sophistry is necessarily positive. i'm merely denying.
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asciilifeform falls down
mircea_popescu: there is a difference!
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assbot: Journalists arrested on terrorism charges in Turkey for using crypto software | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XncK1d )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: 'Three journalists working with Vice News have been charged with "engaging in terrorist activity" on behalf of ISIL (ISIS), because one of them used encryption software. A Turkish official told Al Jazeera: "The main issue seems to be that the [journalists'] fixer uses a complex encryption system on his personal computer that a lot of ISIL militants also utilise for strategic communications."'
asciilifeform: ^ no detail on ~what~, afaik.
asciilifeform: gonna guess it's 'jihadcrypt' or whatever that idiocy was called.
pete_dushenski: "For students seeking to make some extra bucks to pay for tuition, Pornhub may be able to help. The adult video website is offering a $25,000 scholarship to a legal age college student who likes making others happy. "
pete_dushenski: except... "We will not seriously consider anyone if they include explicit material in the video," Pornhub Vice President Corey Price said via email.
trinque: maybe also in part, they're trying to protect the ISIS/Turkey connection
trinque: general attempt to discourage on-the-ground journalism?
asciilifeform: http://arstechnica.com/business/2015/08/im-now-an-estonian-e-resident-but-i-still-dont-know-what-to-do-with-it << a related lul from same fishwrap. mandatory non-pgp signatures in whole muppet country, aha.
assbot: I’m now an Estonian e-resident, but I still don’t know what to do with it | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1XndlA5 )
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asciilifeform: The difference: it is legally binding under .EE law. Not like the loose PGP.'
asciilifeform: inevitable 'embrace & extinguish', just as with bitcoin.
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assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 18:20:02; asciilifeform: one reason why they push fingerprints and similar crap is the 'prima facie' concept
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 00:13:31; shinohai: pete_dushenski: Nope, worse. My parents became Evangelical Christians. "Jews for Jesus" if you will.
assbot: Gotta Serve Somebody - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnfMmc )
pete_dushenski: 'video not available'
ag3nt_zer0: ooops
phf: seems like they pulled a lot of dylan tracks
ag3nt_zer0: pete_dushenski hmmm working on my end...
pete_dushenski: prolly an html5 thing then. i dun use flash.
pete_dushenski: or ip or something
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: kinda what I meant about "command structure" in teh logs
trinque: pete_dushenski: I'm yielding to your point here, I think.
trinque: re: desert gods
pete_dushenski: trinque: aha that old gem !
trinque: that they have the thought of serving someone or something is some kind of first step
trinque: pete_dushenski: it continues to yield fruit, this tree
assbot: Good Morning ISIS. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZh38 )
pete_dushenski: trinque: was something in particular inspiring this reflection ?
phf: came up when i started trash talking american christians
trinque: pete_dushenski: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1261756 << begins more or less here
assbot: Logged on 03-09-2015 19:47:36; trinque: these gun-toting christians hate socialism, so I like them just fine
trinque: relatedly I am ending my current tour in the pac NW for a time, headed back to TX
trinque: and it's causing me to reflect on what I left behind in TX
assbot: Denny’s Market Researcher Emerges From Focus Group Shaken After Finding Out What Americans Really Want For Breakfast - The Onion - America's Finest News Source ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZALf )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That one's going to take a bit.
pete_dushenski: trinque: 'there's no place like home' (tm)
trinque: and does one ever leave
pete_dushenski: watch, mircea_popescu will try chengdu for a year then move back to romania.
trinque: hehe
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: got me on dylan now, good job
assbot: Slow Train - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1UvZXpc )
asciilifeform: unrelatedly,
asciilifeform: is anyone here able to locate M. Greenberger, 'Method in randomness,' Comm. ACM 8 (1965) ?
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: oh man... slow train... I bow
ag3nt_zer0: incredible stuff
ag3nt_zer0: I have been making it a point to go see dylan every time he comes by the gay area for the last 6-7 years... probably seen him 5-6 times in that stretch
ag3nt_zer0: one time I saw him during his monio league baseball park tour with willie nelson and john mellancamp
trinque: sounds like a great show
ag3nt_zer0: and I just thought that the fact that he had shed his fanbase skin so many times resulted in a nice blend of people - christians, hippies, old school folkies, some rockers haha whatever
deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] What it’s like to be poor. - http://www.contravex.com/2015/09/03/what-its-like-to-be-poor/
ag3nt_zer0: left behnd the detritus and have people there who just are happy he shares his trip with them - honestly
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's plenty of poor v. rich dialogue in this latest contravex for ya
ag3nt_zer0: trinque: yeah it was... mellancamp brought it that night... it was his 14 year old sons bday or something and he brought him out to play bass or something it was a good time
ag3nt_zer0: not a huge mellancamp fan but he works hard up there and he does have some great tunes
phf: trinque: i agree with you though, i'm judging by central pa, northern maryland, which is not necessarily the cities, but still within the sprawl.
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 02:47:49; asciilifeform: is anyone here able to locate M. Greenberger, 'Method in randomness,' Comm. ACM 8 (1965) ?
assbot: Purchase: Method in randomness ... ( http://bit.ly/1XnkG2w )
trinque: phf: could amount to nothing, but that part's not much up to them
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funkenstein_: Re: Method in Randomness <-- well I'd never heard of "deepdyve", where do they find gnomes to work on this kind of bullshit? They gave me 5 minutes to "view" the article (in crippled form) in exchange for a fake email.
phf: “Whoa! It's like Spotify but for academic articles.”
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ag3nt_zer0: trinque: austin?
trinque: ag3nt_zer0: lived there for a time, yep. grew up in the Houston burbs
phf: i don't know understand why everything needs to be made so idiotic. i mean, what is this, making your 50 years of scientific research hip? you know, for the kids.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=04-09-2015#1262303 << if i wanted to send money to copyrasts i know where to do it
asciilifeform: but i'd rather put it in a pyre, and light it
asciilifeform: and put on 'youtube.'
assbot: Renée Graham: Kim Davis follows the footsteps of George Wallace - The Boston Globe ... ( http://bit.ly/1EECkc6 )
ag3nt_zer0: shitstorm?
mircea_popescu: <phf> i don't know understand why everything needs to be made so idiotic. << heh.
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funkenstein_: look it's like a paper shredder
asciilifeform: snorestorm.
funkenstein_: https://docs.deepdyve.com/doc_repo_server/get-image/WwqJ0002Ec/1/4?t=1441340311&p=1&a=full&key=lJJiF9OvIRGdMQa0TNRglEOR8BY.&u=1060463&tp=3&pr=1
assbot: Logged on 04-09-2015 02:54:44; pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: there's plenty of poor v. rich dialogue in this latest contravex for ya
asciilifeform: and i laugh out loud re: pete_dushenski thinking that my stash of junk is 'capital goods'. all of it put together wouldn't buy an old car.
asciilifeform: it is 'capital goods' strictly in the sense that a beggar's shoes are.
mircea_popescu: can i buy it for the price of an old car ? :D
asciilifeform: after i'm dead it will be sold per pound, prolly for much less than old car.
asciilifeform: if anyone even bothers.
phf: in other words over ascii's dead body
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funkenstein_: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-09-2015#1262070 <-- ???
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trinque: did seem like it doesn't follow..
wilbns: also, in kenya, for example bitcoin doesn't provide much utility beyond what m-pesa already does. the current area companies like bitpesa are trying to get traction are in remittances (where one party doesn't have m-pesa because they're outside the country), or by pitching it as a speculative financial instrument or novelty.
asciilifeform: kenyans need bitcoin like they need gunn diodes.
funkenstein_: wilbns, uh.. just curious what do you think the point of public coin is?
trinque: asciilifeform: yeah, isn't that it doesn't provide utility, but not to *them*
mats: jesus the hp 16c goes for 200+
asciilifeform: i got mine for around 200.
wilbns: funkenstein_: hey, sorry, i don't understand your question.
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funkenstein_: i mean, if m-pesa already does everything we need, what's the point of using bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: not we. them.
asciilifeform: mats: read it before you buy, know what you're getting into.
funkenstein_ expects maths to work rather similarly on any continent
mats: at 200 apiece i think I'll pass for nao
asciilifeform: mats: frustrating, ikr? there's maybe $2 worth of material in there.
asciilifeform: thing could be produced today for toy store price
asciilifeform: but it cannot be had.
asciilifeform: at some point, they won't exist at ~any~ price.
asciilifeform: each one that someone spills coffee on, is one less.
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