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mircea_popescu: i expect this will be the permanent normal mode of living from noiw on anyway.
asciilifeform: mats: small price if you don't do any serious thinking.
mircea_popescu: in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see old thread about sovietized flats where i live, aha
mircea_popescu: but that's all gone now. people aren't willing to kill each other so they'll get packed.
mircea_popescu: those being, very strictly, the options.
asciilifeform: aha, garbage collector hasn't really run since '45
mircea_popescu: nah. see problem there wasd, they destroyed more stuff than killed people.
mircea_popescu: so it was actrually scant improvement.
asciilifeform: '18 then ?
mircea_popescu: i would think so.
asciilifeform: anyway, i don't expect to live to see another such thing. certainly not the other side of it, anyway!
asciilifeform: slightly related,
asciilifeform: i have been getting increasingly frequent telephone spam from electric co., offering to cut my rates in exchange for a (for now, voluntary!) remote disable on my air conditioner compressor. it is hilariously insulting. why won't they just mail me a vial of cyanide, also 'voluntary' ?
asciilifeform: even more electric saving, from it
asciilifeform: i suppose it is not too long to wait, for the northkr-style rolling blackouts
asciilifeform: and for the predictable game of hopscotch through various 'voluntary', 'voluntary-compulsory', finally compulsory belt-tightenings
asciilifeform: 'mains power on tuesdays for party members'
mircea_popescu: wtf is that lol
mircea_popescu: !s <Belxjander>
assbot: 47 results for '<Belxjander>' :
asciilifeform: << forget clerk. a railwayman could ~buy~ a house and support five children on his wages, in '50s.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 04:00:35; mircea_popescu: in the 50s a bank CLERK lived in roughly what alf thinks palatial.
assbot: Logged on 04-08-2015 06:58:21; Belxjander: using AmigaOS 4.1Final on my desktop myself... definitely niche..
pete_dushenski: << also being silly ? i really don't disagree with your assessment of your personal situation at the end of the day. i mean, how could i ? but nor do i share your uniquely russian fatalism.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 01:55:12; asciilifeform: << holy fuck man what've you been smoking
pete_dushenski: << reminds me of 'deco' museum in riga. /me goes digging for pics.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 02:31:58; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: << i went there today. and this is how i imagine your old house looks like.
pete_dushenski: also of rented apartement in jewish quarter in riga, which had the most beautiful interior staircase with the most divinely baroque wrought iron handrails.
pete_dushenski: derp. s/riga/prague on the 2nd one.
asciilifeform: pete_dushenski: what were you doing in riga ?
asciilifeform: 'Jack Whittaker won $315 million and ten years later, his daughter and granddaughter had both died of drug overdoses, his wife divorced him, and once while in a strip club, he was drugged and robbed of $545,000 in cash, as reported by The New York Times.' << thinking folk don't play lotteries.
asciilifeform: elementary.
asciilifeform: unsurprising that scum wipes his arse with the money.
asciilifeform: (with the enthusiastic help of his 'friends' and family)
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: touring. visited most of latvia and lithuania. just last year in fact. partially documented here
assbot: Architecture in Riga | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
asciilifeform: ah hm i recall this
asciilifeform: went just for kicks? to eat fine sprats ?
asciilifeform: enjoy classic su atmosphere ?
pete_dushenski: kicks was the intent. fell in love with the food.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15900 @ 0.00073787 = 11.7321 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: i'd already been to most of the rest of europe, so baltic was somewhere new
asciilifeform: 'William "Bud" Post won $16.2 million in the Pennsylvania lottery in 1988 but was $1 million in debt within a year. "I wish it never happened," Post said. "It was totally a nightmare." A former girlfriend successfully sued him for a share of his winnings and his brother was arrested for hiring a hit man to kill him in the hopes he'd inherit a share of the winnings.'
asciilifeform: ^ how the fuck does that even work
asciilifeform: 'former girlfriend sued successfully..'
asciilifeform: 'Their 14-year marriage was over, a freak fire gutted their house, and every penny of their fortune was gone.' << at least he had the sense to scorched-earth
asciilifeform: rather then letting the vultures get it.
asciilifeform: btw in usa they traditionally hand out the winningz piecemeal, to make sure that the lucky fella doesn't do something That Would Be Wrong like cashing out to btc and sending it all to isis
asciilifeform: or equipping 500 fine young folks with automatic weapons and a reason to live
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11650 @ 0.00073737 = 8.5904 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: << one interesting mega-feature of 'o street' is that you can actually pay to live in it.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 04:34:44; pete_dushenski: << reminds me of 'deco' museum in riga. /me goes digging for pics.
asciilifeform: unlike most museums
pete_dushenski: by the hour eh
asciilifeform: by the year if you like.
asciilifeform: i suspect that the day is not far when lotteries turn into 'lifetime walmart gift card' instead of usd
asciilifeform: prolly after the first winner catching on to algo of 'cash out to btc, brainwallet'
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> unsurprising that scum wipes his arse with the money. << that's one angle, and valid. the other angle, perhaps equally valid, is that prisoner kept in prison since birth has imagination of life outside, is let out, in a world much akin the prison inside, goes berserk.
pete_dushenski: we have '$1k 4 lyf' lotteries here. pretty lulzy
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i live in same prison, what of it
asciilifeform: imagination is a thing of the inner world
asciilifeform: if you don't have it - you ain't a someone.
asciilifeform: not a person.
asciilifeform: if it were possible to give 20megausd to a dog, what would he do?
asciilifeform: buy a megatonne of kibble ?
asciilifeform: hire squads to collect rotting racoon carcasses from whole city, every day?
mircea_popescu: buy cats, force them to dress as bitches, fuck them ?
asciilifeform: nah that'd be a man.
asciilifeform: with imagination.
mircea_popescu: afaio dogs like to fuck more than to eat.
asciilifeform: aha but are satisfied with chairs, telephone poles
asciilifeform: rather like american consumer.
mircea_popescu has observed pitbull kill cat, fuck carcass.
asciilifeform: did other animals queue up ?
asciilifeform: like that sea gull
asciilifeform: mega-classic.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
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asciilifeform: ^ animated version of this poem.
asciilifeform: also mega-classic.
asciilifeform: with english subs!
asciilifeform: !up Vexual
Vexual cadillac hands, unknowingly
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 04:55:15; asciilifeform: i suspect that the day is not far when lotteries turn into 'lifetime walmart gift card' instead of usd
pete_dushenski: "Billiards Suite • $4,000/night • sleeps 2 • Our most booked suite! This suite includes exclusive use of the billiards room for 8 hours, plus an adjoining hotel room. This is the most asked for suite in The Mansion for events, as you can sleep (if you choose) or play billiards on a $150,000 classic billiards table." << via o mansion's absurdly bad www
pete_dushenski: ;;calc 4000/240
gribble: 16.6666666667
pete_dushenski: so a qntra a week basically. hmm.
pete_dushenski: ;;calc 109/16.6666666667
gribble: 6.53999999999
pete_dushenski: something about turkeys (tm)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12696 @ 0.00072959 = 9.2629 BTC [-]
assbot: BitBet - Dow Jones Industrial Average (^DJI) to drop below 14,000 before 18th September :: 4.39 B (9%) on Yes, 46.99 B (91%) on No | closing in 18 hours 18 minutes | weight: 3`215 (100`000 to 1) ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5800 @ 0.00073425 = 4.2587 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.0007294 = 6.1999 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: << air cooled porsche lulz. at $500k, this 18-year-old 911 turbo x50 is pricier than absolutely everything the firm sells today save the 918, which is a 1/918 unit HYPERCAR that retails for $850k
assbot: Porsche 911 Turbo X50 | eBay ... ( )
mats: what does ebays cut look like
pete_dushenski: ebay just sells flat-rate ads. it's paypal i'd worry about.
mats: looks like 2.9%
mats: jesus l0l
pete_dushenski cannot imagine $500k pp transfer
pete_dushenski: i imagine a wire transfer would be the only reasonable course of action here
mats: 15k for flipping a buncha bits in a db
mats: what a robbery
pete_dushenski: ya, makes remittances look cheap. so where's the fat rich white guy sitting in his newoldporsche on the phoundation's website ?
mats: hes on the casting couch holding the cam for that woman in front of the whiteboard
thestringpuller: << Advertisements for xt now in the bitcoin subreddit
deedbot-: [Qntra] Mozilla Vulnerability Hoard Compromised For a Year -
davout: thestringpuller: haha such nice troll
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14963 @ 0.00072879 = 10.9049 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: lol win.
punkman: pete_dushenski: ebay just sells flat-rate ads. << ebay still takes 10% fee on final price (up to $1k or something). and that's before paypal fees. not for cars though.
punkman: which is why I sometimes find sellers website/email and transact away from ebay
punkman: for a while you'd see items priced $0.1 and rest of price in shipping costs, which worked to minimize fees.
punkman: new Firefox feature on new tab page
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assbot: A history of modern init systems (1992-2015) ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10450 @ 0.00073129 = 7.642 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: India's Forgotten Stepwells | ArchDaily ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13100 @ 0.00073129 = 9.5799 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00073459 = 7.199 BTC [+]
assbot: Unhackable Version of Windows Built By Israeli Security Company ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10700 @ 0.00073129 = 7.8248 BTC [-]
cazalla: <<< can buy porsche with paypal account? i'll take 10!
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 06:01:17; pete_dushenski: ebay just sells flat-rate ads. it's paypal i'd worry about.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3000 @ 0.00073459 = 2.2038 BTC [+]
shinohai: <<< This I got to see. Thanks jooz for the morning lulz.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 10:11:16; assbot: Unhackable Version of Windows Built By Israeli Security Company ... ( )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14089 @ 0.00073811 = 10.3992 BTC [+]
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21167 @ 0.0007298 = 15.4477 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: oh for crying out loud.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell Belxjander you haven't actually fixed your connection.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4033 @ 0.00072695 = 2.9318 BTC [-]
shinohai: Did that n6 guy who was trying to build gentoo and get in wot ever come back with a new name?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7080 @ 0.00073918 = 5.2334 BTC [+] {3}
danielpbarron: shinohai, yes and he's a Eulora player now
shinohai: Oh cool danielpbarron glad he got up and running finally
assbot: Fleet Cyber Sailors Train On 'Notional Computers' ... ( )
funkenstein_: <-- absolutely positively the case, ty. What, do you think a starfaring person would travel light years, collect protons, return home?
assbot: Logged on 06-09-2015 22:29:25; trinque: or what, if aliens landed, you think they'd want some kind of cultural exchange, rather than to scrape whatever they like out of the earth's crust and ocean, then depart?
funkenstein_: For a prompt to imagine how this might work, see "Accelerondo" - Charles Stross (megabook)
jurov: are dns samples "cultural exchange"?
jurov: *dna
kakobrekla: only if the impregnate you
funkenstein_: yes any program
funkenstein_: haha :)
punkman: funkenstein_: maybe cultural exchange will involve getting fucked by tentacles for the next 10,000 years
funkenstein_: as to whether the defenseless, or any item at all, has value- see open market for that
funkenstein_: if you don't see the value: resell
assbot: ESR Writes on "Surprised By Wealth" - Slashdot ... ( )
assbot: I have a Patreon page ... ( )
assbot: dpaste: 3BKKJB8 ... ( )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
assbot: dpaste: 3BKKJB8 ... ( )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
deedbot-: rejected: 1
kakobrekla: imp0st0r!
deedbot-: rejected: 1
jurov: wtf did i read
funkenstein_: a proof that something has value is an offer to pay for said thing
punkman: what's the thing, arawak slavegirls?
funkenstein_: what am i doing wrong with the deedbot?
kakobrekla: looks like it either the key or the message
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3379 @ 0.0007372 = 2.491 BTC [-] {2}
deedbot-: rejected: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10918 @ 0.00072775 = 7.9456 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu reboot system boot 2.6.32-431.el6.x Mon Sep 7 00:30 - 10:01 (09:31) AND reboot system boot 2.6.32-431.el6.x Mon Sep 7 08:44 - 10:01 (01:17) ---- TWICE
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu that box is a titanic disgrace not only to s.nsa, but bisp. every penny you pay for it is a penny given to a scammer who is laughing at us
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai weeps for the loss of phuctor, hopes the perps responsible reap karma.
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu WITH MULTI-HOUR DOWN TIMES
gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: a little bird held that power switch down, aha
asciilifeform: fucking cosmic rays, aha
fluffypony: I had a box at a DC that rebooted every few hours
fluffypony: I reported it as a hardware error 4 times, they kept telling me it can't be, it must be my configuration
fluffypony: so I dropped them and moved to a different host
fluffypony: haven't had a reboot since
asciilifeform: fluffypony: i have a box in an american dc with ~6+ year uptime.
asciilifeform: this is NORMAL
shinohai: I am of the mind this isn't pure technical gremlins at work, considering the project.
asciilifeform: no shit.
asciilifeform: i will also note that i know a fella with a box shelved right next to mine (diametric) and his has not gone down even once.
pete_dushenski: "China's foreign currency reserves shrunk by $93.9 billion to hit $3.56 trillion at August-end, the largest monthly drop on record, according to reports."
pete_dushenski: "PBOC had stepped up its foreign exchange intervention to $122 billion in August from about $50 billion in July."
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 08:11:53; punkman: pete_dushenski: ebay just sells flat-rate ads. << ebay still takes 10% fee on final price (up to $1k or something). and that's before paypal fees. not for cars though.
pete_dushenski: << can buy anything with paypal ! it's like money for the internet !
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 10:35:05; cazalla: <<< can buy porsche with paypal account? i'll take 10!
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 11:07:59; shinohai: <<< This I got to see. Thanks jooz for the morning lulz.
shinohai: I must obtain a copy of this unhackable windows, otherwise it is as mythical as North Korean unicorns to me.
pete_dushenski: "“Sailors kept downloading terabyte upon terabyte of porn, often filled with malware,” he added. “One sailor even managed to get his ‘harpoon’ stuck in a USB port.”"
pete_dushenski: shinohai: unhackable winbloze is as much of a joke as ^
pete_dushenski: “We are confident that NOTs will mold our sailors into cyber warriors,” Turing asserted. “By using their imaginations, we can train them on state of the art or next gen systems right away.” “It’s a whole lot better than the Windows 3.1 systems we actually have,” Turing added. “That’s for darn sure.”
shinohai: Harpoon in USB port LOLZ
pete_dushenski: ok 'duffelblog' ain't half bad
pete_dushenski: nice find, punkman
pete_dushenski: "For Sale: AGM-114K Hellfire Missile, Slightly Damaged. Asking $1000 OBO. Location: Fort Drum, NY"
pete_dushenski: "Lockheed Upbeat Despite F-35 Losing Dogfight To Red Baron"
pete_dushenski: "REPORT: Female Ranger Grads Going To Crush So Much Fucking Pussy This Weekend"
pete_dushenski: "Odierno: Taco Tuesday Only Thing Holding This Damn Country Together"
assbot: Duffel Blog ... ( )
assbot: The big passport scam: Pakistanis dumping IDs to become Syrian - World - NZ Herald News ... ( )
shinohai starts selling Syrian passports for BTC
pete_dushenski: << dude, funkenstein_, sometimes you make no goddam sense. mebbe i'm an idiot and i cannot grasp the heights of your insight, but it seems altogether more like that you've got a bad case of shannonitis.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 13:36:43; funkenstein_: deedbot-
pete_dushenski: !s shannoniser
assbot: 0 results for 'shannoniser' :
asciilifeform: !s shannonizer
assbot: 28 results for 'shannonizer' :
pete_dushenski: ;;google shannonizer
gribble: Racists and the racist idea on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <>; Look what the spam dragged in! on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <>; Causes and purposes on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <>
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 14:35:48; shinohai: I know I am a heartless bastard but this makes me laff:
assbot: ClubOrlov: Eventual Consequences ... ( )
asciilifeform: 'For example, there is the refugee problem, which seems to be affecting all the countries that bombed, invaded or otherwise disrupted the countries that are now causing the refugee crisis. It never seemed to dawn on the highly compensated eurocratic morons that helping the US empire to destroy Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Syria and Yemen, and sow chaos all over the Middle East would result in a torrent of humans deluging their sh
asciilifeform: ores. And now they are reduced to explaining at the top of their lungs how the refugee crisis has nothing at all to do with their foreign policy.'
shinohai: Ah! Very good post, and true. Yet no one sees this as consequence.
pete_dushenski: "no one could've predicted a plane being used like a bomb"
pete_dushenski: "A man sexually harassed by his boss at a Wellington hostel has been awarded more than $35,000 after being sacked for complaining about the treatment."
pete_dushenski: "Mr Singh said Mr NarayaNasamy, also known as Robbie Nara, sexually harassed him by sending him explicit text messages, including one produced during the ERA hearing that said "I need to have sexs with u soon"."
shinohai: "I need to have buttsecks with u soon."
pete_dushenski: "-love, the guy who signs your paychecks"
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: my blog is getting there. almost ready to be seen by da public.
thestringpuller: There will be a big shoutout to you there.
thestringpuller: "This goes out to the guy with the Jew fro" then you have to distinguish between you and ben_vulp`
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: my friend showed me a video from jay lenos garage, in particular this hot rod that was built froma 12 cylinder tank engine.
pete_dushenski: car design used to be very much an art form
pete_dushenski: and there was much more cross-over between car design and military equipment design
pete_dushenski: so tanks, airplanes had more influence over cars, particularly the racing sort
pete_dushenski: this was true as far back as voisin and citroen. google andre lefebvre sometime. guy was a crossover genius.
pete_dushenski: mercedes' domination of f1 in the 1950s was also a result of their ww2 airplane prowess
pete_dushenski: today, of course, cars are a cross between dishwashers and smartphonez
assbot: 2015 Concours of Elegance show report and gallery | Autocar ... ( )
pete_dushenski: << Delahaye Type 165 Touring Cabriolet commissioned by the French government, from the days when gov knew how to spend money.
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: << this is the car I was shown
pete_dushenski: obscenely regal proportions on that thing. 'pontoon fenders' doesn't begin to describe that delahaye. and those running boards !
shinohai: Gawd that is a sexy automobile
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: omgerd that's insane.
thestringpuller: yea that's the one. thing is huge as fuck.
thestringpuller: i love the 12 cylinders. 2 gallons to the mile!!! jkjk
thestringpuller: pete_dushenski: << this is the other car we were watching stories about last night
assbot: Blast reported at chemical plant in eastern China, East Asia News & Top Stories - The Straits Times ... ( )
pete_dushenski: shinohai: china's not that monolithic
pete_dushenski: what 'self' ?
pete_dushenski: there's internal turmoil, certainly in northwest where teh islamists reside. so 'accidents' can happen, but then again so too can accidents
pete_dushenski: sometimes there are patterns, sometimes mere coincidence and the actual reporting of otherwise hush-hush events make it appear as if there are patterns
shinohai: Oh yeah, I am sure there are lots of "accidents" that never make the media.
trinque: ;;later tell funkenstein_ feed it your pubkey as ascii-armor first
gribble: The operation succeeded.
trinque: I can sync them from assbot only if they're on SKS, and that one didn't appear to be, unless I'm coffee-deficient at the moment
trinque: I also have no fucking idea what I read.
punkman: trinque: but assbot gets them from SKS
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17200 @ 0.00073857 = 12.7034 BTC [+]
trinque: punkman: yeah I'm telling him to either upload the key or feed it directly into deedbot-
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5250 @ 0.0007392 = 3.8808 BTC [+] {3}
pete_dushenski: << “I don't think any of us—especially those five people—want to be the high priests of Bitcoin. We need to find a new way of governing—a new way of coming to decisions and have everyone be happy with the process and the decisions that are reached.”
assbot: EB94 – Gavin Andresen: On The Blocksize And Bitcoin's Governance - YouTube ... ( )
pete_dushenski: “If you go back in time, it was simple. It was whatever Satoshi decided.”
pete_dushenski: still simple today, gavin. b-a decideth.
pete_dushenski doesn't recommend wasting 80 mins of precious life watching gavin derp on podcast. just for historical reference and record.
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ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: photos?
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 02:04:29; *: asciilifeform in zombie city
ben_vulpes: aok found photos
ben_vulpes: omg the unrelenting stream of kitsch
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6200 @ 0.00072774 = 4.512 BTC [-]
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BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: John Young "Cryptome"'s review of Purity: A Novel ... ( )
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 15:42:59; shinohai: Is China srsly trying to blow itself up?
ascii_field: 'he ran into my knife! he ran into my knife, TEN TIMES!!'
ascii_field: (tm) (r)
ascii_field: this was what, 5th in 3 weeks ?
ascii_field: kosmik rayz.
ascii_field: 'blow itself up' my shiny metal arse.
BingoBoingo: 'INsert Girder'
assbot: How Debian Is Trying to Shut Down the CIA and Make Software Trustworthy Again | Motherboard ... ( )
ascii_field: punkman: what, you thought #b-a was exempt from embrace&extenduish ?
ascii_field: 'Reproducible builds are already a staple of Bitcoin and the Tor Project.' << ahahahahahahaha
ascii_field: bitcoin.
punkman: yep
punkman: that line caught my eye
ascii_field: carefully avoiding to mention ~which~ bitcoin
punkman: also I have serious doubts re: "According to Lunar, 83 percent of Debian packages are now built reproducibly, and more join the party every day."
ascii_field: 'Diverse Double-Compiling' << little problem here. THERE IS ONLY ONE C COMPILER worth a cow's fart
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47400 @ 0.00072638 = 34.4304 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: Why Security Experts Are Using an Ancient Email Format in 2015 | Motherboard ... ( )
ascii_field: '"Just because I use mutt doesn't mean I enjoy it," he wrote in an email. "I hate it. I wish there were something better, but I've not found it yet."'
assbot: Ashley Madison Code Shows More Women, and More Bots ... ( )
pete_dushenski: 'in the database dump from Impact Team, all we can see is the ample evidence that male users were contacted by bots pretty much constantly. Those data fields tell us that 20 million men out of 31 million received bot mail, and about 11 million of them were chatted up by an automated “engager.”'
pete_dushenski: apparently ashley madison was yet another mommy blogger/daddy investor 'make money while you sleep' scam
pete_dushenski: no one wanted to have affairs, just to ~feel~ like they might possibly consider it.
pete_dushenski: be a secret agent, use pgp (tm)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15742 @ 0.00072526 = 11.417 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: "Once the man struck up a conversation, the bot would say things like this: "Hmmmm, when I was younger I used to sleep with my friend’s boyfriends. I guess old habits die hard although I could never sleep with their husbands." and "I’m sexy, discreet, and always up for kinky chat. Would also meet up in person if we get to know each other and think there might be a good connection. Does this sound intriguing?
pete_dushenski: ” It’s unclear what else the engager would say—either the bots really are this simple, or further chat phrases weren’t in the code. Most likely, based on what I saw from other bot code, the bot would urge the man to pay credits to talk further."
ascii_field: snore. orlovian deer/hunter symbiosis.
ascii_field: these schmucks ~demanded~ to be scammed.
punkman: "really are this simple" yeah you don't need more than that
ascii_field: the real enabler is usg, of course, because not just anyone gets to harvest the chump armies.
ascii_field: it is a crown concession, like petro-drilling the coast
pete_dushenski: was xtian church before them
punkman: ashleymadison is a crown concession?
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: <shinohai> What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia.
pete_dushenski: 'usg "hires" you to lap up the welfare faucet drippings.'
pete_dushenski: ok mebbe that's not the most relevant thread...
pete_dushenski: punkman: in any event, argument being, there's no u.s. anything without crown say-so
punkman: pete_dushenski: I don't buy that the crown has any control whatsoever against the botmasters
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: punkman: it was a multimillion above-board corp. with legal team, almost-ipo, etc
ascii_field: you don't get to be that in usa without some apparatchik support.
pete_dushenski: punkman: doesn't have to be direct string-pulling, can be 2nd, 3rd order
ascii_field: or the first patent troll who comes along will eat you for lunch. or ceo busted for 'irregularities' of which every man on u.s. soil who ever so much as smelled a seven-figure sum is guilty as all hell; etc
pete_dushenski: not like obama has time between youtube videos with 'viral stars' to write scripts for ashmad bots
fluffypony: damn the Chinese are getting desperate for profit:
assbot: Fake rice made with paper found in Guangdong: Shanghaiist ... ( )
ascii_field: 'Earlier this year, reports emerged about plastic rice sold on the Chinese market making its way across Asia. This fake rice was a more edible-sounding mix of potatoes, sweet potatoes and delicious synthetic resin. According to, plastic-tainted rice grains remain hard after being boiled, and the soup made by it forms a very unappetizing plastic sheath 'that burns like plastic' when heated up.'
ascii_field: pure gold.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 04:00:49; mircea_popescu: but that's all gone now. people aren't willing to kill each other so they'll get packed.
punkman: ascii_field: I meant the non-US botmasters, ashleymadison sure, just like any other US corp
ascii_field: poor cn orcs haven't had their buffett and wrigley's corp. yet, have not invented reasonably food-like industrial waste, yet.
ascii_field: give'em time.
ascii_field: << how much of that 36M did he ever really take home ?
ascii_field has seen esr in the flesh on several occasions, and the man is an INSUFFERABLE braggart and confabulator
ascii_field: but money was never one of the things he bragged of.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: did you two chat or just 'see across room'
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: just heard him talk
ascii_field: i personally have nothing to say to him.
pete_dushenski: fair 'nuff
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11700 @ 0.00073529 = 8.6029 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22850 @ 0.00072474 = 16.5603 BTC [-] {3}
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: by the time esr could legally sell his shares in 'lnux' (june 2000), the share price had tanked from $240 at end of ipo day to ~$40.
assbot: Geeknet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( )
ascii_field: that's still a few M
ascii_field: where did it go ?
pete_dushenski: twas 15 years ago...
pete_dushenski: of living in usistan
pete_dushenski: ;;calc 240/40*36000000
gribble: 216000000
ascii_field: you prolly meant,
ascii_field: ;;calc 40/240*36000000
gribble: 6000000
pete_dushenski: ;;calc 6000000/15
gribble: 400000
pete_dushenski: i dunno what to say, the guy's not a money manager
ascii_field: to put it mildly.
pete_dushenski: him and every other lottery winner/pro athlete
ascii_field: but i think most folks could avoid bleeding 400K/yr out of their arse
ascii_field: without really trying
pete_dushenski: most folks ? haha. hardly.
ascii_field: the most likely thing is that the man INVESTED!!1111!!111 it
trinque: ahaha I just got an e-mail from "pantera capital" addressed to [FirstName] inviting me to apply for funding.
ascii_field: like most of the early btc holders did
ascii_field: trinque: make sure to also buy v14gr4!!!11 from them
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: because what else ? take little, regular sips from pool
trinque: lol, no kidding
trinque: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: and to ransom their lost prince.
trinque: maybe I can get someone to tie a laptop to his scrotum
ascii_field: no deal until tied.
ascii_field: elementary.
pete_dushenski: trinque: try eth long guy from denmark or w/e
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13300 @ 0.00072442 = 9.6348 BTC [-] {2}
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: the point being, most people haven't the foggiest clue how to make a dime last a day, much less how to turn it into 15c.
ascii_field: terrible example
pete_dushenski: mkay do better
assbot: Yemen crisis: Qatar 'deploys 1,000 troops' - BBC News ... ( )
trinque: "commence payments" sold my email to pantera
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: see my ancient review of mpex for instance.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: are you saying you're 'most people' now ?
ascii_field: it is not hard to turn 100K into 200K
ascii_field: but quite impossible to turn 10c into 20c.
ascii_field: especially and particularly if you need 9 of the 10 cents to make rent.
pete_dushenski: aha. very reasonable counter-point. but my original point still stands because you're changing the premises now. esr didn't have 10c and need 9 to make rent, same for lottery/athletics winners. they had millions and failed to turn it into anything other than heartache and dust
shinohai: So I will take the remaining 1c and turn it into twopence
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: aha, i personally have no idea what he did with it. perhaps he sent it to nigeria.
ascii_field: or invested in best phriend's 'sure to make megabux!!11!!11' sv idiocy
ascii_field: (but i repeat myself)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: so maybe it's 'not hard' to turn xxxxxx into 2xxxxxx for you or i, but there's a mountain of evidence to suggest that this is a reasonably rare skillset
assbot: American “social mobility” is really just luck, says data. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( )
ascii_field: at the very least, it is not hard to still have the 100k at the end of the day
ascii_field: this merely requires doing nothing.
BingoBoingo: But ESR has(had?) wife
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: doing nothing is the hardest !
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: fuck knows, maybe paid for cunt transplant or what
BingoBoingo: Still wife is a money leak.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: as to esr's 100k, to quote "Yes, we do have some savings and stock. No, I don’t want to tap them, because thank you I do not want to be on the dole or dead of starvation and exposure when I’m really old. "
pete_dushenski: prolly 100k in there if not more
pete_dushenski: " It’s not going to make much of a dent in (for example) medical insurance, thanks to the statist bastards who’ve driven health-care costs into the stratosphere through their incessant meddling. (They cost my wife her job, too – that’s been psychologically rough on her.)" << moar esr from punkman's link
ascii_field: 1) out of what, 6m 2) likely denominated in usg junk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3650 @ 0.00073529 = 2.6838 BTC [+]
pete_dushenski: 1) this is average roi for 'make money while you sleep' 2) what else ?
assbot: Logged on 30-07-2015 15:37:38; mircea_popescu: i don't solve problems. i just throw away other people's solutions.
ascii_field: i for one sincerely hope that esr lives long enough to starve; and that i live long enough to watch.
ben_vulpes will someday wear esrs mantle of "attached self to prominent open source project"
pete_dushenski: << highest 1 bedroom median rents in usistan
pete_dushenski: ^ you're only in 5th, ascii_field
ascii_field: esr is an especially noxious worm for having the temerity to pretend that his career owes nothing to usg
pete_dushenski: not that $2,110/mo isn't still obscene
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: i don't live in the dc city walls properly speaking
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: but in nearly p.g. county, md
ascii_field: *nearby
pete_dushenski: right, '2 hour drive'
ascii_field: 1-2 hr to montgomery county
ascii_field: generally i stay out of dc other than to see museums and miscellaneous oddities
pete_dushenski: i need to make my way to dc's museums one of these years.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: highly recommended. so long as you stay out of the 'modern art' claptrap pits, you will see 'america as it once was'
ascii_field: see the goodies before they get mysteriously desaparecido'd (sold for hard currency to cn)
pete_dushenski: << heh. can't afford cars so taking bicycles. 'researchers' blame 'lance armstrong effect'
assbot: Why Biking Injuries and Deaths Are Spiking In the US - Slashdot ... ( )
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: i can travel to china just as well, but dc is marginally more convenient. for now.
ben_vulpes: cn? hard currency?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: why do you assume that the buyer will exhibit the goods ?
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: for food, if you like.
pete_dushenski checks yeg to bwi. $376 round trip with stop-over in ord.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: posterity ?
pete_dushenski: plaque reading 'on generous loan from his greatness xixixi'
pete_dushenski: same as row
pete_dushenski: this custom doesn't translate ?
ascii_field: the land of plastic rice gives a fuck about 'posterity' like a dog about beets.
pete_dushenski: hey, maybe beets are fuckable.
punkman: only if cook them
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20100 @ 0.00073699 = 14.8135 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10600 @ 0.0007384 = 7.827 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15650 @ 0.00073329 = 11.476 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Feds’ cyberbullying reverses cops’ convictions for shooting unarmed people | Ars Technica ... ( )
ascii_field: 'In the immediate aftermath of Hurricane Katrina back in 2005, five former New Orleans police officers were sentenced to six to 65 years in prison in connection to on-the-job deadly shootings of unarmed civilians. But recently, these five officers had their convictions set aside by a federal appeals court. Why? Federal prosecutors' anonymous online comments posted underneath local news accounts of the officers' ongoing
ascii_field: 2011 trial "contributed to the mob mentality potentially inherent in instantaneous, unbridled, passionate online discourse," the court said. In light of that, the appellate court found a fair trial wasn't possible.'
pete_dushenski: this is like saying that fair trials aren't possible because putin ate a ham&cheese croissant for breakfast.
pete_dushenski: i seriously don't understand this shit.
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: summary is, usg does whatever the fuck it wants
pete_dushenski: guess so eh
pete_dushenski: at least as far as prosecuting itself goes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14800 @ 0.00073872 = 10.9331 BTC [+] {3}
ascii_field: as for turning those cops loose, it is part of campaign.
assbot: Logged on 02-09-2015 04:15:38; asciilifeform: the discreditation of local police apparatus, for its eventual demolition and replacement by unified fed gendarmerie, is going on schedule.
mats: i have yet to read about guardsmen shooting looters during katrina in the news
jurov: thestringpuller: mats: pete_dushenski: trinque: BingoBoingo: etc. coinbr back up, monthly fee for august waived
mats: and i know for a fact this happened
pete_dushenski: jurov: cheers !
mats: excellent
ascii_field: mats: you also will not often read about orcs shooting at ambulances during katrina. which also happened.
BingoBoingo: Congrats jurov
assbot: [MPEX] [S.QNTR] 5500 @ 0.00040427 = 2.2235 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5892 @ 0.0007312 = 4.3082 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: so, i discovered a recipe for healthy teeth.
kakobrekla: find yourself a hot dentist.
pete_dushenski: this is news ?
mats: ascii_field: understand, this invokes memories of 'kent state' and the usual fears of us .mil operating domestically
kakobrekla: news to me!
pete_dushenski has had hot dentist for better part of a decade
pete_dushenski: tall, blonde, young...
pete_dushenski: kakobrekla still, wd !
kakobrekla: until now i was always serviced by men. what a mistakea to makea.
pete_dushenski: men for ortho, womenz for regular dentistry is best balance in my experience
pete_dushenski has never seen endo, perio, other specialists, doesn't know
mats: you would think americans would care. southerners in particular are perennially afraid of obama directing troops to steal their firearms, kill them, etc...
pete_dushenski: oh, and men for maxillofacial surgery (wisdom teef)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18750 @ 0.00073182 = 13.7216 BTC [+]
ascii_field: mats: the way it works is, there are precisely two kinds of permitted mass media in usa: 1) usg 2) usg crank bait
ascii_field: !s crank bait
assbot: 25 results for 'crank bait' :
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21917 @ 0.00072407 = 15.8694 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: discussion of 'fed troops coming' is permitted strictly in the latter; and strictly in conjunction with discussions of martians coming, and shooting mind control rays
ascii_field: classic example of this algo being what happened with the '9-11 truth' folks.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49550 @ 0.00072136 = 35.7434 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: the choice permitted is between the official narrative and martians.
ascii_field: strictly, strictly this.
BingoBoingo: !up bitstein
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00071988 = 19.2928 BTC [-] {2}
jurov: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0.00040427 / 0.00040427 / 0.00040427 (5500 shares, 2.22 BTC), 7D: 0.00038573 / 0.00038753 / 0.00040427 (60100 shares, 23.29 BTC), 30D: 0.00027949 / 0.00037942 / 0.00040427 (75572 shares, 28.67 BTC)
jurov: what happens when new shares are delayed for a week!
BingoBoingo: Old shares go to the moon
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7076 @ 0.00071782 = 5.0793 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9612 @ 0.00071659 = 6.8879 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21850 @ 0.00071545 = 15.6326 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up analmaster
analmaster: hello
ascii_field: welcome analmaster
analmaster: the master of anus's
ascii_field: find your pgp key
analmaster: has arrived
analmaster: yes i had it burried deep
analmaster: in a special cavity
ascii_field: analmaster is my neighbour in the uranium minez
mats: lol...
BingoBoingo: Ah, welcome
analmaster: thank you obama, for making it easier to enrich.
ascii_field: aka b00lcrap
ben_vulpes: amuse
assbot: cum into my harem
analmaster: the assbot spews random crap?
BingoBoingo: assbot has buttitude
ascii_field: only when kakobrekla feels like it
analmaster: i see
analmaster: how does this work again
analmaster: !jailbat
kakobrekla: mp is offline
analmaster: he is a busy man
jurov: prepping eulora release
jurov: (imo)
assbot: Steve Wozniak "Steve Jobs Played No Role In My Designs For the Apple I & II" - Slashdot ... ( )
ascii_field: 'Steve Jobs played no role at all in any of my designs of the Apple I and Apple II computer and printer interfaces and serial interfaces and floppy disks and stuff that I made to enhance the computers. He did not know technology. He’d never designed anything as a hardware engineer, and he didn’t know software. He wanted to be important, and the important people are always the business people. So that’s wh
ascii_field: at he wanted to do. The Apple II computer, by the way, was the only successful product Apple had for its first 10 years, and it was all done, for my own reasons for myself, before Steve Jobs even knew it existed.'
kakobrekla: how do you say, mega-un-surprise ?
ascii_field: afaik this was already public for eons.
trinque: yeah, I don't think anyone who is aware of tech thinks he invented anything
trinque: built a few very successful companies though
BingoBoingo: !up refferedbyloper
ascii_field: !s from:refferedbyloper
assbot: 1 results for 'from:refferedbyloper' :
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
BingoBoingo: !up analmaster
analmaster: ah thank you
analmaster: you are a kind and gentle beast
pete_dushenski: << 38% of usians rate themselves as 'have-nots', up from 17% in 1988. capitalism won the cold war !1
assbot: More Americans See Themselves as "Haves" Than "Have-Nots" ... ( )
shinohai: Wow, a real, live analmaster
analmaster: hello, ill be your anal master for the next 22 minutes
shinohai: Only 22 minutes?
shinohai: That will barely stretch my anus
pete_dushenski: 'this hour has 22 minutes' (tm)
analmaster: Hell would be heaven for me. All my life I've been with the have-nots. Over here, if you're a have-not, you're short of dough. If you're a have-not in hell, you're short of virtue. Once I get into hell, I'll start organizing the have-nots over there.
shinohai: Where is "over here" ?
analmaster: hell!
shinohai: !rated trinque
assbot: You have not rated trinque.
punkman: what do the "haves" in hell have?
shinohai: !rate trinque 1 Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo
assbot: Request successful, get your OTP:
shinohai: !v assbot:shinohai.rate.trinque.1:bfd69c9c9230ea2c46ba7c1722dc9b86bc5817f13192e63b9e9af4c0fddf43ba
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for trinque with note: Thanks for the help w/ Gentoo
analmaster: punkman: the haves in hell have contempt for jews.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17500 @ 0.00073 = 12.775 BTC [+]
shinohai: What constitutes a "have" vs. "have not" ?
pete_dushenski: << 'this hour has 22 minutes' sketch comedy show. national broadcasting at its most mediocre.
assbot: This Hour Has 22 Minutes - Canadian Mass(So Funny) - YouTube ... ( )
pete_dushenski: shinohai: 'poor' v. 'rich'
shinohai: Oh, then count me as "have not" though most of the time it is intentional, as I don't buy into American commercialism.
ascii_field: laugh at my poverty willya
pete_dushenski: ascii_field: meh. i think you sucked all the fun outta that game :P
pete_dushenski: analmaster: speaking of jooz. here's some markedly better canadian sketch comedy :
assbot: Salty Ham - Kids in the Hall - YouTube ... ( )
analmaster: ah kids in the hall
analmaster: reminds me of my youth
pete_dushenski: you grew up up north ?
analmaster: no they aired it in the states when i was a teen
punkman just finished eating lentil stew and salty anchovies
shinohai: yummy
punkman: admittedly not the best idea at midnight
analmaster: is there a difference between lentil stew and lentil soup
punkman: analmaster: less liquid
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
analmaster: makes sense
analmaster: i love lentil soup, with some olive oil and herbamare
analmaster: you guys know the herbamare?
davout: analmaster: looks interesting
analmaster: try it, you will never go back to sea salt.
shinohai: !up analmaster
analmaster: i am now shinohai's anal master for the next 29 minutes
analmaster: how shall we broceed
shinohai: Hmmm ... since it is a holiday put a sparkler in your anus and take pics for #bitcoin-assets
shinohai: ^______________^
analmaster: that would work on july 4th
analmaster: but since its labor day, your anus is going to be doing all the work
shinohai: Might be a good idea to register your gpg key with assbot though, and eventually get rated so you can voice yourself.
ascii_field: shinohai: he was rated, aha, lost key
analmaster: a gpg key appears.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11772 @ 0.00073 = 8.5936 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5128 @ 0.00073726 = 3.7807 BTC [+]
analmaster: please provide some context
analmaster: just some innocent interaxial play
shinohai: No context outside of being racist and damned funny.
BingoBoingo: Was that fluffypony?
fluffypony: HAH HAH
fluffypony: omg you guize
fluffypony: we have it in reverse now :-P
shinohai: Every time I see fluffypony, I can't help but think "Friendship is Magic" and all.
fluffypony: thanks shinohai, I'm taking that as a compliment :)
assbot: My Little Brony Toy Commercial - YouTube ... ( )
analmaster: ill never understand bronies
fluffypony: you and me both
assbot: oh so wonderful — Bio prof: sex chromosomes determine gender Me:... ... ( )
analmaster: really?
analmaster: thats not what my teacher told me
ascii_field: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel << some actual implementation details re: 'derive' & 'mulisp'
gribble: The operation succeeded.
analmaster: my teacher said you can be whatever gender you want to be
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10949 @ 0.00071473 = 7.8256 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: !up ascii_field
asciilifeform: !up analmaster
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9204 @ 0.00071473 = 6.5784 BTC [-]
analmaster: im not racist
analmaster: i played soccer with a black kid at the bounce house
analmaster: the other day
pete_dushenski: did he score all the goals ?
analmaster: fuck no
analmaster: i dont let him score shit
analmaster: get him ready for a tough life of blackness
analmaster: listen a white lady clinching to their purse when a black person walks by is only natrual
analmaster: blacks commit like 50% of violent crimes in the states
analmaster: and they make up 12 % of the population
kakobrekla: bytes can indeed have color.
analmaster: can bits have color?
ascii_field: !s what colour are your bits
assbot: 4 results for 'what colour are your bits' :
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18900 @ 0.00071457 = 13.5054 BTC [-] {3}
shinohai: <<< asked gf, she said her bits are pink oc
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 22:03:22; analmaster: can bits have color?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31900 @ 0.00071371 = 22.7673 BTC [-] {5}
pete_dushenski: analmaster: microaggression is supposed to be natural. like work, sex, and everything else villainised and illegalised by usg. sorta what monopoly on force means in praxis (monopoly on action)
kakobrekla: ascii_field do you always opt for british english variant (out of spite?)
ascii_field: reflex
ascii_field: it's the one i learned.
pete_dushenski: except shannoniZer
ascii_field: when i write article-length crud i usually go back and americanize
ascii_field: precisely because whiners.
analmaster: only half of america is a bunch of sensitive little bitches.
analmaster: pajama boys.
analmaster: america in one picture.
pete_dushenski: !s lumbersexual
assbot: 0 results for 'lumbersexual' :
pete_dushenski: ya, missing beard.
analmaster: im quite lumbersexual
analmaster: i happen to the the last remaining american to chop down > 1/4 acre with an axe in 2014.
ascii_field: ^ quite possibly.
analmaster: har har
trinque: I get the sense that guy could've put an eyeball in orbit if he wanted.
trinque: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: "Lexus this month will begin offering a service through its Enform telematics system that will enable dealers to remotely look into a customer's check-engine light or other warning on the instrument panel. The service, Enform Service Connect, will be offered on all 2016 Lexus models" << what could possibly go wrong ? not like this'll be hacked six ways to sunday a la jeep uconnect.
assbot: The Dealer Who Swindled $6 Billion From General Motors ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "McNamara’s brilliant swindle was deliciously simple. It was based on one undeniable truth he learned from his years of owning a Buick-Pontiac-GMC dealership on Long Island: General Motors and GMAC were too incompetent and too bureaucratic to figure out that they were being scammed."
pete_dushenski: 'government motors' indeed.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alrighty, so i won't continue it then.
mircea_popescu: as jurov's not actually said anything re his theoretically present but upon examination inexistent connection or w/e it was, this leaves the problem of where to host open.
mircea_popescu: and if it stays open till early oct, nosuchlabs won't have a server until it gets resolved.
jurov: don't wait for me till i communicate it with my guys, of course
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform for that matter, is it safe to shut down now ? you have backups and everything ?
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trinque: !up kdomanski
trinque: kdomanski: hi, who are you?
kdomanski: old frequenter who's been away
kdomanski: have you guys heard about the whole opensource LGBT drama where a bunch of people wanted a guy out of and OSS project 'cause he said something politically incorrect on twitter?
mats: this would not surprise anyone
trinque: kdomanski: yeah, the ruby thing? not that I don't expect this has happened many times
kdomanski: trinque: that one exactly
assbot: Transphobic maintainer should be removed from project · Issue #941 · opal/opal · GitHub ... ( )
kdomanski: pages and pages of drama
kdomanski: popcorn advised
trinque: kdomanski: yeah, a guy I know more or less shouted "tranny hater!" at me for not caring about it
kdomanski: haha
kdomanski: I cound 7 occurences of the word "privilege"
trinque: the SJWs can have Ruby; it's a steaming pile of shit
trinque: ;;later tell gabriel_laddel Conkeror has made its way into daily use; JS debugging tips? Best thing providing a JS REPL in Emacs?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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davout: trinque: ahem.
trinque: davout: wat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it is to be backed up, for the last time, over the next couplea days.
davout: let's start a ruby flame war
trinque: davout: ruby is objectively butts. rebuttal?
davout: i like the language, the community much much less
trinque: I've done some ruby; mostly just yelling
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davout: trinque: it has unicorns installable as a convenient ruby gem
trinque: davout: the whimsy, which I blame on that "Why" guy, bleh
davout: "Is this what the other maintainers want to be reflected in the project? Will any transgender developers feel comfortable contributing?"
davout: ugh, transgender people either have something to contribute, or they don't, like the fucking rest of us
trinque: nah diversity is a kind of magic dust you sprinkle on your products, and "radical innovation" sprouts
kdomanski: trinque: you forgot "disrupting"
trinque: kdomanski: I am a white male; what do I know anyway?
davout: "Requesting contributions before being heard is a pretty low stab as well - you are basically saying that opinions gain worth with merit." <<< oh god
kdomanski: trinque: shame on you, check your privilege
trinque: it's still there.
trinque brb, food
davout: trinque: kek
kdomanski: "unless @elia is removed from the project, I cannot learn Ruby, and thus can't get a job in Ruby development"
shinohai: til you really don't need anything special to perform a DoS attack on reddit besides a script that constantly f5's the page.
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shinohai: !up kdomanski
mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform alrighty.
mircea_popescu: <kdomanski> popcorn advised << nobody really gives a shit. the countless fucktards trying to parlay their "issues" and "political awareness" and so forth into actual subject matter relevancy only succeed in their own estimation.
mircea_popescu: i'm sure there's an "airforce expert pilots" club somewhere in djbouti, made out of people who agree among themselves on djbotardit and twidji. meanwhile djbouti's only airplane is a boat.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: the problem is, they actually manage to impact relevant stuff with their bullshit
mircea_popescu: <trinque> davout: ruby is objectively butts. rebuttal? <<< bwahahaha. unrebutt able objectibutts language!
mircea_popescu: kdomanski liek ?
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: getting people fired
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: <shinohai> What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move to suburbia.
mircea_popescu: people who depend on welfare should learn to suck the cock of their patrons better.
mircea_popescu does not support the theory dependents have rights.
davout: kdomanski: maybe in the us... but not anywhere else
mircea_popescu: moreover, software "employees" should be fired. if they're any good that's the best thing that could ever happen to them, and if they suck why would anyone keep em.
kdomanski: in most places if you have a SJW mob coming after you it will be difficult for you to conduct business
mircea_popescu: hasn't affected me.
mircea_popescu has lost count of the angry mobs by now.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: then again, you aren't most people
mircea_popescu: which is kinda my point here. some shit's being conflated. like that ancient ditty, "si quis, inquis, dives est, tum cenare potest cum cupit. si pauper, tum cenare debet cum potest."
mircea_popescu: if the people you talk about may have opinions, then this doesn't affect them. if it does, then they should have gotten their head out of their ass, understood their situation as slaves and put more effort into massaging the cock of their owners more betterer.
mircea_popescu: no "little o' tis, little o' that" on the table.
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kdomanski: mircea_popescu: I understand is is colorful metaphor for "if you can't take the fallout, STFU and keep your opinions to yourself"?
mircea_popescu: could work like that yea.
mircea_popescu: but it's deeper, really. "your impression you may have oppinions MUST be predicated on your certainty you can in fact back them up."
mircea_popescu: people aren't born with the right to like and dislike and opine and so forth. people are born "women and children", which is to say with the obligation to adapt to others likes and dislikes. we call these others "their betters".
mircea_popescu: some people progress from there, some don't, and that's it.
kdomanski: I'm quite certain that ability to prove his statements scientifically (i.e. transsexuals not being homo sapiens) woudn't matter in this context
mircea_popescu: i doubt you could prove such a thing.
mircea_popescu: you'll end up with "actors aren'ty human" and other avatars of medieval thoughtmire.
kdomanski: many politically incorrect opinions about race vs intelligence and such have scientific grounds but are nevertheless successfully persecuted
mircea_popescu: science isn't a present day version of "my older brother's in the navy seals" / "we are god's chosen people" where somehow it gives you a magic golen ticket to things.
mircea_popescu: but you're right, a lot of perfectly avoidable, self constructed problems are patently traceable to that misimpression being perhaps deliberately induced in children.
kdomanski: well I'm uncertain what in your mind qualifies as "backing them (opinions) up"
shinohai: <<< I daresay this is my most quoted statement here to date.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:10:38; assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 00:32:12; mircea_popescu: <shinohai> What kind of poppycock is that? Won't hire me if I have been negative online. << it's not hiring as much as living wage layer two. do you want to be like the niggers, getting free pills and welfare checks ? that's living wage layer zero. move to the ghetto. are you instead happy with the minimum wage, tax rebates, etc bullshit ? that's layer one, move
mircea_popescu: kdomanski and the next coupla work as a standard i'd say.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:13:05; mircea_popescu: hasn't affected me.
kdomanski: so, might makes right
trinque: might makes "it happened"
mircea_popescu: no. absence of might makes wrong.
mircea_popescu: the mighty may be right, or then again may well be wrong. but the weak are always and unexcusably in the wrong.
kdomanski: thus, the guy should have know better and STFU?
mircea_popescu: if there's actual fallout, yes.
mircea_popescu: he's approximately the male equivalent of thew usian stripper with an attitude.
kdomanski: kinda makes sense
mircea_popescu: (that said, i very much doubt any fallout whatsoever can ever occur. so he lost a job ? gets another one. or gets welfare. big whoop.)
kdomanski: I don't think they actually did any damage in this case, but sometimes they ruin careers
mircea_popescu: im sure sometimes the bugaboo got some kids. not in this case, nor in this neighbourhood, nor you know.
mircea_popescu: just... sometimes! i'm sure!
mircea_popescu: so be good if you don't wantthe bugaboo to get you too! like it got those other kids.
kdomanski: remember the guy who laughed at "fuck her right in the pussy"?
kdomanski: a female reporter asked him why did he laugh
trinque: kdomanski: I can say I've worked at software companies that did not police humor or politics in the slightest
kdomanski: "because it was funny"
kdomanski: they did get that one fired
mircea_popescu: remember the guy who got shot by a cop on a bike, because the cop had inferiority complex for not having a car so he stuck his head and torso through the ghuy's window ?
mircea_popescu: it's the land of freakarama over there, what do you think an example's gonna do ?
kdomanski: yeah
kdomanski: the actual long-lasting damage being done here is: now they're assembling an universal code of conduct or whatever
mircea_popescu: and ftrr, what is a "career" ? who do you know that has "a career" ?
mircea_popescu: bubble's going out and everyone's out on their ass, career or no career. this isn't showbiz, it's computer slavery.
mircea_popescu: then bubble's back on and they hire any shaved monkey with a pulse.
mircea_popescu: kdomanski the deep reason is that you folk can't eat on your own. obviously there's going to be a code of conduct : he who lives in his parents house observes the fucking rules neh .
shinohai: shit
mircea_popescu: seinfeld ~had~ a career. it lasted a decade, and he quit while ahead. who the fuck in software has a career ?
mircea_popescu: the lolcows. gavin and co, and it's a shitty career in unintentional comedy at that.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck even came up with the idea the concept of "career" is meaningful in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos.
mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski
mircea_popescu: does anyone even think afore using words anymore ?!
kdomanski: in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos << that's merely a subset of that space
mircea_popescu: yeah. the subset in discussion : that follows twitter, shoiws up for conferences and derps at yshittynator events.
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: it does get them richer than anything else they could possibly do with their lives
mircea_popescu: proving once more that the fetish of wealth is a very poor compass for one's life.
kdomanski: which is trivial sophism once one is already wealthy
mircea_popescu: << this happens to be exactly what they did the one time they did it.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 12:51:20; funkenstein_: <-- absolutely positively the case, ty. What, do you think a starfaring person would travel light years, collect protons, return home?
mircea_popescu: kdomanski or appears so. i hold it isn't a sophism.
mircea_popescu: but i'm not getting too far with alf on this line either, so.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 12:52:20; jurov: are dns samples "cultural exchange"?
trinque: kdomanski: since money is political, you might consider it a compass to the extent that you agree with the prevailing politics
trinque: really drives home how destructive market distortions can be
mircea_popescu: the other important point is, "whether you get to actually hold it". riches subject to riders like "you may only use this to inflate real estate bubble" aren't much yours anyway.
mircea_popescu: teenaged kids with whoremongering fathers often borrow the cars those drive in an attempt to cargo-cult the whores they bang into existence. perhaps they could be embodied out of their classmates or something.
kdomanski: trinque: money allows to exert influence on people regardless of their political stance
mircea_popescu: still, it's not their god damned car. and so no, not rich. merely posing with opr.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin does. usd does not. kinda why we don't like it./
mircea_popescu: << is he basically saying "i'll pay for your daughter" ?
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 12:59:22; funkenstein_: deedbot-
pete_dushenski: that's the 3 bitcent question
mircea_popescu: "arry thought that respect was an asset worth shelling out 150,000 shares of VA for." << jesus esr;s such a twerp.
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mircea_popescu: "i was an integral part of the gnu sellout, and i feel kinda bad about it so i'll just pretend i didn't do anything and hey, the communitards are too dumb to know shit from their face."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the man is insufferable in person, also
mircea_popescu: there's this borderline autistic hypocrisy behaviour that somehow's really represented in my head by the oss folks.
midnightmagic: Is there somewhere I can read more about how deedbot works under the hood and where I can find its proofs and such?
mircea_popescu: not that rms doesn't display plenty of it. myst be something in unix that makes people go "hey, i can just ignore the classes i don't want to use right now" or somesuch.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'once the rockets go up, who cares where they come down ! ...'
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic this very log :)
mircea_popescu: << the spec. iirc trinque's implementation is you concat the msgs and sha512 it for a key seed.
assbot: Logged on 14-06-2014 11:59:24; mircea_popescu: so based on mike_c's discussion last night, i think i have a very good addition to b-a kako. it'd go like this :
pete_dushenski: trinque: what would it take to revive []bot to scoop new bitbet proposals and >1 btc wagers ?
asciilifeform: << if this recipe were actually followed, you get a usg reich that lasts 10,000 years. still want ?
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:10:48; mircea_popescu: people who depend on welfare should learn to suck the cock of their patrons better.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform if you think the reich collapses "because the people"...
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'd like to start pointing people away from proofofexistence and other incompatible nonsense and IIRC, deedbot is careful/efficient in how it stores stuff in the blockchain. If that is so, I'd like to point newbs at.. like a website or something, if it exists.
asciilifeform: but instead, the teenage idiot who wants the car, the money, ~and~ to disobey father - is the mover of civilization.
midnightmagic: mircea_popescu: I'll re-read the logs.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not 'because the people' so much as 'because not giving a fuck'
asciilifeform: as per the su example
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic a valid point, i don't think the whole thing's properly packaged for public consumption.
pete_dushenski: midnightmagic: << seen ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all reichs always collapse because of the reich, and the outside enemies. never was it the case "the people" did anything relevant.
asciilifeform: there is ~failing to do~
midnightmagic: pete_dushenski, mircea_popescu: thanks, I'll re-read.
asciilifeform: as in, failing to properly serve satan in his hour of need (tm)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but they have no contribution in that.
trinque: deedbot- isn't currently n00b friendly at all, no. And I'll always prefer that people are in good standing in the WoT to use it.
asciilifeform: the contribution of nonparticipation.
mircea_popescu: trinque that part's not going away. but a faq page explaining how to construct the payout address would be helpful.
trinque: pete_dushenski: is that just another RSS feed?
asciilifeform: of becoming furnace stokers and night watchmen instead of engineers, as per the su example.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that happens because THEY HAVE NO CHOICE
mircea_popescu: that they try to pretend like "thgey did it", sure, the scum that they are would.
trinque: mircea_popescu: I was thinking of releasing a script that you hand a doc, and it farts out the address
trinque: would probably be nice to stick on the website.
mircea_popescu: better to explain what's to be done, let people work their own script
mircea_popescu: it's for money after all.
trinque: fair enough
pete_dushenski: trinque: hm. << this part covers the new proposals. can't say i'm fully versed in how the >1 btc bets were teased out. best ask kakobrekla
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assbot: 2 results for 'bitbet rss' :
trinque: kakobrekla: lemme know what feed and I'll add it
asciilifeform: << mircea_popescu, like most non-us folk, has a disastrously exaggerated concept of 'can get welfare.' in practice, you HAVE to be black, female, have bastard children, preferably - all 3
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:29:06; mircea_popescu: (that said, i very much doubt any fallout whatsoever can ever occur. so he lost a job ? gets another one. or gets welfare. big whoop.)
asciilifeform: can get 'food stamps' more often, but need multiple years of tax returns demonstrating being a pauper, typically
trinque saw a healthy hippy chick buying expensive groceries with a food-stamps card yesterday
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the last us citizen that actually took out less than what he put in died sometime in the 80s.
trinque: she was like 19-20
asciilifeform: trinque: 10 to 1 odds the card is her mother's
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i don't expect to ever meet this mythical animal, aha
trinque: I think the bums around here all know you can get "assistance"
asciilifeform: trinque: IF YOU ARE THEM
asciilifeform: try getting it ~while being YOU~
trinque: yeah but some kid just decides to be a bum, because it's a lifestyle
trinque: sure not me, I look worth a shit
asciilifeform: gotta decide young
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform no middle ground. either be them or don't need to bitch about it!
asciilifeform: having a job history (and if you paid tax, it is impossible to conceal) counts against you.
mircea_popescu: iirc ballas said if you were ever employed, you're fucked.
asciilifeform: he is entirely correct.
mircea_popescu: then again, /me has never been employed.
asciilifeform: << re: this and the entire thread: it might surprise mircea_popescu, but i have never seen this idiocy alive up close, nor know anyone who will attest to having done so; it is really a west coast / sv thing as far as i can tell.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:30:31; mircea_popescu: so be good if you don't wantthe bugaboo to get you too! like it got those other kids.
asciilifeform: mainly afflicting the www 'industry' & co.
mircea_popescu: "industry"
mircea_popescu: it's really so fantasmagoric it needs triple quotes
asciilifeform: in-dust-ry.
asciilifeform: emphasis on 'dust'
mircea_popescu: i mean time warner paid a billion for myspace which was worth ~0, sure, turner's old and stupid.
mircea_popescu: but the notion that twitter's worth money...
asciilifeform: as pictured in the very relevant mircea_popescu piece, 'this is not money that anyone had to work to earn and save, it is created with a button press'
mircea_popescu: i stopped reading after "this is not money".
thestringpuller: three cheers for jurov
mircea_popescu has had his fill of retarded teenagers sitting around crediting each other's socioeconomicosexual-and-otherwise wholly imagined accomplishments sometime around the age of 15.
mircea_popescu: seems the us is only now catching on to this thing.
asciilifeform: << i associate the word with the army and little else
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:32:41; mircea_popescu: and ftrr, what is a "career" ? who do you know that has "a career" ?
asciilifeform: it doesn't really make much sense elsewhere...
mircea_popescu: there are fields where careers exist. you can have a career as a surgeon. oncologist diagnosticians in particular are the fathers of all careerdom,
mircea_popescu: it takes 30 years' worth of looking at fucking probes to spot the cells.
asciilifeform: !s which screw
assbot: 17 results for 'which screw' :
mircea_popescu: but nobody goes "hey, let's hire this guy, he's in 3rd year medical school"
mircea_popescu: when that happens in a field, a career's in principle impossible.
mircea_popescu: which is why everyone's idea of "career in software" are ridoinculous derps like ers, who do have a career alright
mircea_popescu: except it's not software, it's showbiz.
mircea_popescu: !up kdomanski
kdomanski: mircea_popescu: you know there's software outside of what the silly con valley does
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot kdomanski
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kdomanski: exempli gratia: if you want to make software for aircraft or tanks, you need to be playing the "career" game for decades
mircea_popescu: !rate kdomanski 1 New blood
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mats: thats not true
asciilifeform: << ergo my reaction to those times when ben_vulpes, trinque, etc express bewilderment at my refusal to 'work in software'
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:35:43; mircea_popescu: who the fuck even came up with the idea the concept of "career" is meaningful in a space which mostly aims to hire 20yos.
mats: i know several folks hired out of univ to write ada for e.g. lockheed
asciilifeform: << the interesting part is that this is OPTIONAL. for everyone. even the lowest indian programmer, DOES NOT HAVE TO derpference.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:37:10; mircea_popescu: yeah. the subset in discussion : that follows twitter, shoiws up for conferences and derps at yshittynator events.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.kdomanski.1:54667e89207aaf19e414f5a288e53d6e45deca72b848de2d9c1989f508df90cb
assbot: Successfully added a rating of 1 for kdomanski with note: New blood
mats: following internships.
asciilifeform: !up kdomanski
asciilifeform: kdomanski: mats is right. it is enough to choose your parents carefully.
kdomanski: I didn't know that
kdomanski: then again, I'm not from US
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, THIS blows a heck of a hole in asciilifeform's fairy tale hopes and dreams
mircea_popescu: about how somewhere there are real programmers for real
asciilifeform: sure there are
mats: its an uphill battle, sure. but there's also still a sense of 'meritocracy' in place for a lot of american engineers.
mircea_popescu: making bridges^H^H^H^H airplanes ^H^H^H^ something!!1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i work with them
mats: you got the chops, you show le code, many shops will hire you on the strength of that alone
mircea_popescu: mats for the same money, there's still a sense of "t bills are worth something" still in place for a lot of americans.
asciilifeform: mats: 'many' may be an exaggeration, but yes, exists
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'if it covers the rent and the swill, it's money' approximately
kdomanski: there's shops who hire code monkeys by the kilograms and there's shops where they _almost_ engineer
asciilifeform: (it is actually script, yes, there is a word for it, aha)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, do you know what other field pretends like "career" exists while people mostly hiring teenagers ?
mircea_popescu: PORN ACTING!!11
mircea_popescu: im telling you... software's just how boys whore out.
asciilifeform: of the human compiler variety - yes.
mats: maybe. i know of no less than a dozen folks that did such menial labor as retail slavery, telephone support slavery, etc... that got hired on in dev roles after furnishing a repo populated through a year with code motivated by said slavery
mircea_popescu: mats i maintain this is more welfare than hiring.
asciilifeform: mats: i work with just such a man
asciilifeform: again mircea_popescu conflates the sv world with the actual world.
mircea_popescu: for fun and profit!
asciilifeform: yes, it puts out bright light, other things almost impossible to see next to it.
mircea_popescu: fun, mostly.
mircea_popescu: re the "refugee problem" : so the us has been derping about "being a regional power" and sheriffing things and places for reasons.
mircea_popescu: now europe gotta pay for 1-2mn refugees that came out of all that.
mircea_popescu: i wonder if it's gonna send the us the bill.
asciilifeform: didn't want this? don't join nato.
mircea_popescu: a very modest 5 trillion or something.
asciilifeform: 'like sledding, like pulling the sled' (tm)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform right, because they'd have gone to russia instead.
mircea_popescu: they don't just blindly go to where things are.
asciilifeform: try 'go to russia.'
asciilifeform: (they don't 'nordicsystem' there, no.)
mircea_popescu: they also don't have much the pakistani couldn't get at home.
asciilifeform: other than rapemeat
mircea_popescu: i dun know how exactly a buncha pakistani would catch up to a russian she-hound.
mircea_popescu: maybe if they lay traps or something. otherwise it's like turkeys chasing coughars.
asciilifeform: ask chechen ?
mircea_popescu doesn't know any
mircea_popescu: << "Part and parcel of the present dispute is to clearly make the point that Gavin Andresen does not have the authority to enact or create a hardfork of the Bitcoin network, nor any sort of significant clout, cachet, power to influence the matter etc.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 16:12:33; pete_dushenski: << “I don't think any of us—especially those five people—want to be the high priests of Bitcoin. We need to find a new way of governing—a new way of coming to decisions and have everyone be happy with the process and the decisions that are reached.”
mircea_popescu: This will be useful for the Bitcoin network first and foremost, because Gavin is, by and large, a mentally retarded doofus displaying a shocking amount of Dunning-Kruger syndrome in his assorted dabblings in economics and other hard fields."
mircea_popescu: he could have just accepted it then. but no, idiots gotta derp first.
mircea_popescu: so now we're going to spin as "it's not rape if we wilfully spread for mp's will" ? mmmmkay.
asciilifeform: wai wut
mircea_popescu 's feelings r all hurt by this.
asciilifeform: did i miss this spreading ?
thestringpuller: trinque: nah diversity is a kind of magic dust you sprinkle on your products << could you elaborate? Makes it sound like Chappelle's joke on cops sprinkling crack on black guys at crime scenes. "Open and shut case Johnson! Now lets sprinkle some crack on him and call it a night."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in the quote.
asciilifeform: i don't see it.
asciilifeform: they want to rule without publicly sitting on a throne, yes
asciilifeform: not the same as surrender.
mircea_popescu: << youtube doesn't work that way, but anyways.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 16:15:52; *: pete_dushenski doesn't recommend wasting 80 mins of precious life watching gavin derp on podcast. just for historical reference and record.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and the dead want to eat pussy, surely.
mircea_popescu: << except it's really a case of "how debian is not only stealing linux from the people who made it, but is attempting to steal their having been stolen from, too!"
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 17:29:28; pete_dushenski: apparently ashley madison was yet another mommy blogger/daddy investor 'make money while you sleep' scam
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller: "i saw this once when i was a rookie, nigger broke in and put up picture of his family everywhere. let's sprinkle some crack on him and get outta here."
assbot: Spamming reddit, an "experiment". on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "I want the average redditor to understand that when he interacts with a screen name, he is not interracting with a person."
mircea_popescu: the end of social media will come exactly like how nobody could have predicted it by reading a 2014 trilema article.
mircea_popescu: << you're plain out wrong. everyone gets to, and a lot of people much dumber than you are, and have. and you know this for a fact yourself. and will continue to do so.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 17:35:46; ascii_field: the real enabler is usg, of course, because not just anyone gets to harvest the chump armies.
asciilifeform: they are placed well.
mircea_popescu: no, they are not.
pete_dushenski: or just 'ambitious'
mircea_popescu: they're just numerous and don't give a fuck.
asciilifeform: ^ now this, possibly.
mircea_popescu: this is an essenmtial ingredient of all action. you have to, in some degree, in some shape, somewhere, not give a fuck.
asciilifeform: and be numerous, l0l
mircea_popescu: this is exactly how you drive, for the record.
mircea_popescu: but yers, for as long as you delude yourself into needing permission, guess what.
mircea_popescu: you will need it.
asciilifeform: it is not so much about permission as it is about enculturation.
trinque: thestringpuller: heh that's a great chappelle skit. I was mocking the oft heard magical thinking that diversity in say software companies is *inherently* good.
mircea_popescu: trinque ironically enough, ACTUAL diversity WOULD be inherently good.
mircea_popescu: what's never going to be good is hiring some inept crowd followrs. they're gay, don't you know, because they saw it on tv.
trinque: yeah, diverse group of highly competent people? sounds fine
mircea_popescu: you don't see "diversity is inherently good so we've hired a fbi most wanted guy"
trinque: this means bronies and trannies
trinque: heh
mircea_popescu: and we want the fed to change regulations because they're getting in the way of paying our employee
mircea_popescu: who is saving to blow up the fed.
mircea_popescu: diversity ftw.
trinque: but you can pick from one of the 8 state sanctioned personalities!
mircea_popescu: diversitit!
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 18:10:40; trinque: ahaha I just got an e-mail from "pantera capital" addressed to [FirstName] inviting me to apply for funding.
BingoBoingo: trinque: SUre it isn't a spearfish?
trinque: oh actually it might've been; it's asking me to invest with "pantera capital" or something
trinque dpastes
mircea_popescu: << this is actually how it goes. or to hear graham say it, "tech millionaires are savvy about how to make the ponzi grow."
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 18:17:30; ascii_field: or invested in best phriend's 'sure to make megabux!!11!!11' sv idiocy
asciilifeform: << if you 'often hear' this, you may be standing too close to the beast-who-digests-for-800-years
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 01:35:19; trinque: thestringpuller: heh that's a great chappelle skit. I was mocking the oft heard magical thinking that diversity in say software companies is *inherently* good.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is "Ron Glantz"
trinque: << upon second inspection, has to be a scam
mircea_popescu: omfg gina glantz's wife !?
asciilifeform: trinque: you so much as entertained the notion that it is ~not~ a scam ?!!
mircea_popescu: dude check it out lmao. the hamplanet transgenderderpatron is investing in bitcoin nao
trinque: only glanced and junkmailed
mircea_popescu: ftr pantera capital = Ron Glantz Director of Research ; Matt Gorham Trader ; Jed McCaleb Venture Partner ; Dan Morehead CEO ; Paul Veradittakit Vice President ; Steve Waterhouse Partner
mircea_popescu: just in case any of the friends of scammer&idiot club need to know after a few years why they're blacklisted.
assbot: ChangeTip Raises $3.5 Million Lead by Pantera Capital | Qntra ... ( )
pete_dushenski: wasn't mccaleb from stellar or ripple or something ?
asciilifeform: l0l it's a real american corp
asciilifeform: how classy
asciilifeform assumed it was a spamcorp
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 18:20:59; pete_dushenski: " It’s not going to make much of a dent in (for example) medical insurance, thanks to the statist bastards who’ve driven health-care costs into the stratosphere through their incessant meddling. (They cost my wife her job, too – that’s been psychologically rough on her.)" << moar esr from punkman's link
assbot: Here's what they don't tell you when they bring you those papers to sign on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: derp made a deal, sold out the thing, a decade later is out on his ass.
mircea_popescu: where is his derpitude now ?
mircea_popescu: oh he knew so much better then, and "of course" this and that.
mircea_popescu: and now ? where's the letter going "i was a fucking imbecile to sign with the usg!!11"
mircea_popescu: where's shrem's for that matter ?
mircea_popescu: idiots aren't truly idiots unless they stay unaware of their idiocy throughout.
pete_dushenski: also beggin for donations
mircea_popescu: i'm going to donate to him right after i'm done donating to vessenes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't wait for this letter. after all, he still has a skin for them to take
asciilifeform: btw, perhaps the lightest, but still not forgotten, of esr's crimes is his theft of the 'hacker's dictionary'
mircea_popescu: i dun know how to put it plainer than : the war is between smart people and stupid people.
mircea_popescu: if you are not fighting with the smart people to opress the stupid,
asciilifeform: which he appropriated, slapped own name on the cover, and peppered with idiot invented words with no history
mircea_popescu: you are then fighting wqith the stupid to opress the smart.
mircea_popescu: there's no neutrality in this matter.
mircea_popescu: pick a side and die with it. you will.
assbot: Logged on 04-05-2015 19:28:02; ascii_field: 'The problem is that "exploitation" happens only to people stupider (and consequently less informed) than the "exploiter". The root cause of this whole world problem is that some people are smarter than others. There are two basic solutions to this problem: Kill all the morons, or kill all the brains. If you look at how several political regimes have behaved throughout history, you might get the impr
asciilifeform: (naggumism)
asciilifeform: esr is ~the~ 'plowing fly' of linux.
mircea_popescu: pretty much.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in terms of actual work done, rms is not that far behind
mircea_popescu: and i don't mean code work. intellectual work altogether.
mircea_popescu: he's not nearly the strategic mind he masturbares himself over.
asciilifeform: meet esr in the flesh - the gasbag won't ever shut up about how his fingers were 'on everything.' -- and they were.
asciilifeform: just not in the sense he claimed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: eben moglen did 90% of what rms is famous for.
asciilifeform: rms, interestingly, did to emacs something much like esr tried to do to the things he sprayed his piss on
asciilifeform: emacs in a recognizable form long pre-dated rms.
asciilifeform: but rms is a man of much greater talent, and isn't really a snake the way esr is.
mircea_popescu: << also, they discovered the victims were actually white.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 19:40:08; ascii_field: 2011 trial "contributed to the mob mentality potentially inherent in instantaneous, unbridled, passionate online discourse," the court said. In light of that, the appellate court found a fair trial wasn't possible.'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform me is unpersuaded as to this talent.
asciilifeform: given as things did not turn to shit while they were in his hands - i must say yes
asciilifeform: but i know neither of them personally. can only judge 'by their fruits.'
mircea_popescu: << i've been having nothing but hot dentists! at least one was totally privy to this, ample cleavage.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 19:52:22; kakobrekla: find yourself a hot dentist.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the man who digs into an untenable position may be well intended, but he is still not a talented commander.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: recall that rms began long before 'personal' variety of computer was worth a sparrow's fart.
asciilifeform: the present-day turn of events was not dreamt of.
mircea_popescu: talent means dreamt of.
assbot: Logged on 07-09-2015 20:12:07; ascii_field: analmaster is my neighbour in the uranium minez
asciilifeform: who, then, dreamt? the closest i can think of is weizenbaum
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aha. fella once known as b00lcrap. he swore he knew where he hid his key though, so he may yet come back to life.
mircea_popescu: so that if no one is talented this crop we appoint one to tbe "most likely to be talented" ?
mircea_popescu: either it is there or it is not there.
mircea_popescu: was not there.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'analmaster' is a double entendre
asciilifeform: he's a reverser.
deedbot-: [Qntra] Enhanced Spyware Comes to Older Versions of Windows -
asciilifeform: KB3075249 Update that adds telemetry points to consent.exe in Windows 8.1 and Windows 7 << win
pete_dushenski: decent isner-federer match.
mircea_popescu: ahahah what!
pete_dushenski: i also read that microshit will no longer be detailing what's in its patches. just trust ! (tm)
asciilifeform: << again, for anyone who missed this, and is interested in 'derive' or 'mulisp'. this article was co-written by the authors of mulisp and derive! chock-full of implementation details and interesting lore. and yes, it is in pdf. and no, it cannot be represented in ascii. fuckyou buy a printer.
BingoBoingo: To be fair pete_dushenski Microsoft probably doesn't even know what they are ordered to put into patches anymore
asciilifeform: i just finished the piece, it is a gem.
pete_dushenski: bwahaha 'be fair' to microshit ? mkay.
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: though i see where you're coming from
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: microshit was never especially talkative re: exactly what was in the patches.
assbot: Logged on 08-09-2015 00:25:01; shinohai: <<< I daresay this is my most quoted statement here to date.
BingoBoingo: Microshit is basically a Shrem, they signed the papers
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: there are gigantic farms of folks toiling, reversing microshit's patches
ben_vulpes eyeskipped over 'me', is a derp
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i also learned that 'ti-92' is being sold by the bucketful on 'ebay', evidently it has fallen out of favour somewhere institutional
BingoBoingo: interesting
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: i recall that you were an aficionado
asciilifeform: it, btw, contains 'derive'
asciilifeform: just as the 89 series did
BingoBoingo: Yes, might have to go looking
asciilifeform: i picked one up for ~25 usd not long ago
asciilifeform: as all of my '89's wandered off
asciilifeform: grew legs, they did.
asciilifeform: years ago.
mircea_popescu: "Perricone’s and later First United States Attorney and Chief of the Office’s Criminal Division Jan Mann’s identities were uncovered by forensic comparison of their characteristic writing styles in the online comments and in court filings. The forensic expert in question had previously assisted the FBI in identifying the Unabomber."
mircea_popescu: check it out. it wasn't actually even proven or anything. just, narratively reconstructed ex post facto
asciilifeform: whazzis
mircea_popescu: this may be the most outrageous perversion of justice yet.
mircea_popescu looks forward to shooting usg agents for sport.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that "cops shot white people so it's not a crime" thing, re katrina.
asciilifeform: ah that thing
asciilifeform: 'course it's not a crime! they won't, after all, riot
asciilifeform: won't destroy shops, etc
asciilifeform: usa is, approximately, a safari preserve. yes, most of the inmates of the zoo will never be shot at, not directly. but every so often the keepers drive the jeep through the safari lands, shoot the most uppity beasts, sometimes invite friends for a sport hunt
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: at the moment the shoot-for-sport thing is entirely in the other direction.
mircea_popescu: trinque incidentally, re midnightmagic's question, i don't recall the format. was it the deeds get concatenated with \n as aseparator, sha512'd and that's the pubkey for the spend ?
asciilifeform: lon horiuchi, for example, is a free man.
asciilifeform: and prolly collecting a fat pension at this point
mircea_popescu: other direction ? you kidding man, not shot as much as a bb round this way.
mircea_popescu: and to use the most apropriate expression for this, which happens to be in romanian, "atita le si trebe'"
trinque: mircea_popescu: it is sha256 of the bundle's deed joined by \n - which is used as a private key - from which the pubkey and address are produced
trinque: *deeds
mircea_popescu: check it out i had mostly all of it.
BingoBoingo: trinque: Also the site prolly needs the deedbot funding address on it
mircea_popescu: it's there
assbot: Lon Horiuchi: American Sniper – ... ( )
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I dun see it
trinque: it has the address to which spent, but I can add the other at the top there
mircea_popescu: 29F5BC967632415AB9836DB63E452A7A2A00DEC1 << i misreads that
mircea_popescu: trinque srsly, make a faq.
trinque: k I'll make it friendlier-er
asciilifeform: 'Horiuchi’s comrades offered the same defense of the FBI sniper’s murderous actions at Ruby Ridge. By killing Vicki, he acted “to save lives,” insisted fellow FBI sniper Dale Monroe. Like the unnamed Iraqi woman, Vicki must be regarded as a hateful, irrational, marginally human creature who simply didn’t understand that when the Empire makes a proprietary claim on you and your family, it is not only a crime but a sin
asciilifeform: to resist.'
asciilifeform: 'The FBI’s theatrical professions of regret over Vicki’s death belied the fact that the battalion of combat-outfitted law enforcement personnel on the scene at Ruby Ridge celebrated the killing as a noble victory: With full knowledge that Mrs. Weaver was dead, they named their staging area “Camp Vicki,” and used a public address system to taunt Randy and his by pretending to speak on behalf of his dead wife.'
mircea_popescu: trinque the requirement for people to be in the wot to use it ain't never going away. but the pressure to actually get in said wot is ever mounting.
mircea_popescu: and will continue to mount indefinitely.
trinque: indeed; I'll put something on it to point the way in
mircea_popescu: up to and including surrounding holdsouts houses with monkeys in combat armor, killing their wives and bitches in no particular order and then impersonating them over the loudspeaker.
mircea_popescu: and then when they cave and get in the wot, negrating them, of course.
trinque: hahaha
mircea_popescu: i am my unsmiling face.
trinque: I will certainly indicate on the site that joining the WoT is the next move if you want to use it.
mircea_popescu: it's a start, before we buy some armor.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, that's all for tonite, take it ezzy!
trinque: gnite
asciilifeform: nice fella. sells hunting equipment now.
asciilifeform: btw, for the benefit of non-u.s. folk, i will explain that the missing piece in the 'why no public outrage then' puzzle is that most 'thinking' u.s. people reacted with 'if only the feds would burn EVERY fundamentalist loony church'
asciilifeform: there is a good case to be made that a pro hitman like mr horiuchi is a considerably less-loathesome creature than a gavin who lies for money
asciilifeform: but then again nobody asked me.
thestringpuller: wow davout was right
thestringpuller: #bitcoin-xt is full of lulz
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: share a choice gibblet or two ?
thestringpuller: lemme dig
thestringpuller: 16:42 <@hearn> who said they had to? i don't have a dedicated connection. got 25 mbit/sec upstream
thestringpuller: 16:42 <@hearn> that's just a normal home connection, not even the fastest available
asciilifeform: lol what a miser !
asciilifeform: then again, why would hearn need to host on his own box ??!
asciilifeform: got thousands of willing chumps
pete_dushenski: so he thinks.
thestringpuller: oh another good one
thestringpuller: from some rando in chan
thestringpuller: 17:44 < Tiraspol> when are my bitcoins gonna cost 1000$ each again
thestringpuller: 17:44 < Tiraspol> plz help
asciilifeform: 'when are your bitcoins gonna cost $1 again / plz help'
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