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ben_vulpes: jurov: highly nifty
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: and the reason you picked tinyscheme over say ecl is...footprint? dreppers in ecl?
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deedbot-: [Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ยป Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski] Waiting for Taleb. - http://www.contravex.com/2016/02/29/waiting-for-taleb/
ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer
ben_vulpes: there's one for the dustbin.
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assbot: Merle Haggard -- Are The Good Times Really Over - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/21yCNY1 )
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deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 30.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b127
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ben_vulpes: HOOOOOOOOOO
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ben_vulpes: phf: here's a stumper
ben_vulpes: while last night the swank flags worked just handily, tonight, passing the swank flag to a booting bitcoind results in an error, "too short", from scheme.cpp
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ben_vulpes: running the /exact same/ bitcoind command runs something that i can telnet into and scream lisp at
ben_vulpes: wtf this was working yesterday
botneko-chan: Why all that panic about filled up backlog and slow transcations? Sent btc today with 0.0005 fee and it got 6 confirmations in 2h
ben_vulpes: there's no actual panic, botneko-chan. there are a zillion for-hire-for-pennies social media accounts supporting some nsa plants attempts to matter with kindergarten grade psyops.
ben_vulpes: phf, nevermind, i'm a classic core derp
botneko-chan: I support Core too
ben_vulpes: botneko-chan: what is Core?
botneko-chan: I mean main bitcoin dev team and so, not a forks like Classic or XT
ben_vulpes: what do the Core people think about increasing the block size?
ben_vulpes: botneko-chan: ^^
botneko-chan: I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with current blocks and higher fees, in my o
botneko-chan: not for cents, there is need to design overlay network for faster low-fee small payment processing instead of increasing block size
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ben_vulpes: not interested in btc politics botneko-chan ? just in it for the ddos?
botneko-chan: I'm using bitcoin and like it, but wasn't tracking fork-related discussions before someone payd for DDoS'ing Classic
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ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395250 << asciilifeform what was the actual trigger for the blackhole? requesting a specific transaction?
assbot: Logged on 03-02-2016 16:52:56; ascii_butugychag: blackhole results when the worker thread (the one that handles nearly everything) is wedged
ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
ben_vulpes: !up cazalla
ben_vulpes: hey boss
cazalla: thanks ben_vulpes, good evening :)
Naphex: morning
punkman: ben_vulpes: compiles pretty fast
ben_vulpes: punkman: like 10ms? 100ms? 1s?
ben_vulpes: cazalla: good to see you key in hand
ben_vulpes: briefly considered 'cock in hand'
cazalla: ben_vulpes, i wonder which i actually value more :P
ben_vulpes: hm actually i upped you so how would i know
cazalla: well, i just auth'd so no matter
ben_vulpes: yeah, i saw the second go through, but i don't think there's a guarantee that *you* did the second one.
ben_vulpes: can we down each other?
ben_vulpes: !down cazalla
punkman: ben_vulpes: a few seconds maybe
cazalla: !down ben_vulpes
cazalla: guess not
ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow
ben_vulpes: !down SuchWow
ben_vulpes: ah and assbot yelled at me too
ben_vulpes: well hi!
cazalla: likewise
ben_vulpes: !up SuchWow if you have complaints to render feel free to do so here
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SuchWow: Greetings investors
SuchWow: how goes it :)
ben_vulpes: i'll not talk to any 'staff-emeritus' in pm
cazalla: i remember you SuchWow
SuchWow: ben_vulpes: i have no complaints lol
SuchWow: whatever, it's literally true, it's just a tag, get over it lol
ben_vulpes: well i'm just having a conversation with an old friend i haven't seen in a few weeks, but thanks for getting involved!
SuchWow: hey now, you upped me lol :)
ben_vulpes: why so butthurt
SuchWow: about what?
cazalla: still have those dogecoin investments SuchWow ?
ben_vulpes: anyways, how's the second cooking, cazalla ?
SuchWow: cazalla: nah i stopped trading about 1.5 years ago, and have been working IT ever since, no time for trading
cazalla: ben_vulpes, good, missus looks bigger the second time around for some reason, prenatal appt with nurse today confirmed that as well
SuchWow: i still watch charts and chatter daily just to keep up with it for fun tho
ben_vulpes: how many weeks along?
SuchWow: congrats
cazalla: girl, due early june, 5 months, not sure on weeks top of my head
cazalla: thanks SuchWow
ben_vulpes: that's two!
cazalla: ben_vulpes, how's your little one?
ben_vulpes: two dowries!
ben_vulpes: cazalla: rolled over the other day!
cazalla: fun times :)
ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2
cazalla: i am looking forward to those things again, times seems to have gone so fast with the first, one moment he can barely roll and lift his head but now it's all walkin' and talkin'
ben_vulpes: your first was a male?
cazalla: yeah, a boy named Noah, he turned 2 January just gone
ben_vulpes: pardon, i misremembered.
cazalla: all good, kids galore here these days, easy to lose track
ben_vulpes: starting to give a shit about his dad yet?
cazalla: i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much
ben_vulpes: MORE FROWNING
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-12-2015#1351555 << four months in, beginning to reheheheally feel this
assbot: Logged on 24-12-2015 08:11:50; *: mircea_popescu is reasonably impressed. had ben_vulpes pegged for "this guy's managed to put himself in a texbook model of a place where guys crack".
cazalla: it's as hard as it is enjoyable
SuchWow: Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about ethereum, meaning this chan in general
SuchWow: i'm not super well versed, but it's come up enough to make me go hmm, plus those charts are cray cray lol
assbot: Logged on 22-01-2016 16:20:52; punkman: terminal: just salty that we didn't buy mp's cheap eth
cazalla: SuchWow, i don't really follow altcoins, so many of them, so many failures, bitcoin remains #1 despite all the 2.0 shit that has been promised to topple it all these years
punkman: ;;calc 0.01507 * 2000
gribble: 30.14
SuchWow: punkman: haha
punkman: 1 bitcoin of ETH at first sale is worth 30 now
SuchWow: cazalla: that's reasonable. i don't really either, it's just that it's been hard to NOT hear about that one over the last year
SuchWow: yeah pre-sale woulda been nice, but i don't blame myself one bit for not buying the hype
cazalla: SuchWow, even if it was the second coming, idgaf as it will inflate forever
SuchWow: wasn't there some thing where the algo was gonna force POW to stop and switch to POS even tho no POS algo had been invented yet
SuchWow: did they ever fix that i wonder
ben_vulpes: i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins
cazalla: not sure, from what i know it will change to pos at some point and then inflate the supply forever
ben_vulpes: must be that dogecoin guy again
cazalla: well, back to parent, ben_vulpes did you end up going ahead with co-sleeping?
cazalla: how is that going?
ben_vulpes: putting the pressure on to get him into his bassinet more regularly
ben_vulpes: well he sleeps through the night, let's start there
ben_vulpes: stirs a mite, gets fed, goes back to sleep.
SuchWow: ben_vulpes: i just asked a question, why so butthurt
cazalla: from 3 months, my boy slept 7pm-7am like clockwork, but when teething began so did around 6 months of shitty sleeping
SuchWow: anyhow, i'll leave you guys to it, be well!
punkman: ;;calc 15000 * 0.01507
gribble: 226.05
SuchWow: i enjoy our twice a year talks lol
ben_vulpes: some real horrific tiny house gypsy shit: 2 adults, 1 infant and 80lbs of ferocious lovedog in a queen bed
cazalla: lol seeya SuchWow
punkman: anton_osika's 3 btc would be 226 now http://pastebin.com/NbPrZS9A
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA512 Future Delivery Contract Fo - Pastebin.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1QiQ39M )
cazalla: well, he can always sign and collect it punkman
punkman: probably a bit late for that
ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it.
punkman: rental?
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jurov: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 sadly, i don't really have any trb workflow. except that i sit down on it for few days once few months
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
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shinohai: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418918 <<< if I may interject, I have yet to have a trb recompile take longer than an hour even if I bork something up.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 11:39:56; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
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mircea_popescu: aghagaga punkman what the everloving fuck is that. companion cheesecake for "the graduate" ?
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assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 06:02:07; ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418795 << this has been discussed at length in the logs. yes, it's pretty dumb.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:40:28; botneko-chan: I'm actually not very interested in btc politics, but in my opinion if increase block size then miners would get less profit from tx processing when there would be no new btc mined. Mining would become non-rentable and hashpower will decrease after some time then making easier for someone to get 51% just by turning on ol ASIC that was turned off because of low profit. I'm okay with current blocks and h
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
mircea_popescu: lol staff emeritus. how's the scam these days SuchWow
mircea_popescu: "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !
mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow
mircea_popescu: !gettrust assbot SuchWow
assbot: SuchWow is not registered in WoT.
mircea_popescu: get in the wot, wut!
SuchWow: sorry, i have split screen serverside msgs
SuchWow: so didn't realize my response wasn't going through lol. i
SuchWow: [08:48:40] <SuchWow> mircea_popescu: you guys are so pompous lol...i haven't been involved in crypto, trading or otherwise, for almost 2 year. Doge seems to fine, still has a small community (moreso than litecoin anyways), and i've been watching crypto in general just for fun. Eth seems interesting, but still not convinced.
SuchWow: [08:49:05] <+mircea_popescu> "noisehole, bullshitter, blowhard, drunkard, sadist, rapist, all-around disgrace to the sad sad State of Bitcoin (and a passive-aggressive plagiarist, too, to top a cherry on the shit-pan-kake!)" da fuck did you do adlai !
SuchWow: [08:49:05] <SuchWow> mircea_popescu: how is bitcoin and all of your various endeavours whatever they may be?
SuchWow: [08:49:16] <SuchWow> (i won't pretend to act like i know you because, i don't)
SuchWow: [08:49:46] <SuchWow> (just as you literally don't know me, at all lol)
SuchWow: didn't want to retype a paraphrase, sry
SuchWow: because of client, didn't realize wasn't sending
mircea_popescu: usually the meaning of emeritus, yes.
mircea_popescu: and yeah, i agree, dogecoin, like litecoin, all went the way of the bell bottoms.
SuchWow: the emeritus tag is much less than you guys have been making of it lol
mircea_popescu: it's a cult hit now!
SuchWow: you all have literally paid 10x more attn to it than myself lol
mircea_popescu: SuchWow 'emeritus" just means retired, neh ?
SuchWow: a dogecoin op became freenode dev, freenode decided to give aff cloaks for dogecoin project
SuchWow: for my time and service in being founding op of that chan
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
SuchWow: they asked if i wanted it
SuchWow: i said 'ok sure, neat'
SuchWow: lol
mircea_popescu: o brother. i've been trying to give servers and stuff to the freenode shitheads for YEARS
mircea_popescu: meanwhiole they're busy doging the dev.
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SuchWow: i certainly don't claim that there was any logic to the decision, but if you've seen #freenode lately, and ANNs, a lot has changed around here recently
assbot: Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:53; mircea_popescu: * #freenode :Cannot send to channel
mircea_popescu: so much has changed it'll be an accomplishment if they last the year.
SuchWow: well, in their defense
SuchWow: they said that a lot of this is really just resurrection of 'the old ways'
SuchWow: and not actually new changes in that regard
SuchWow: yeah i found that interesting as well
mircea_popescu: so what are you doing these days ? wanna test my mmorpg ?
SuchWow: having only been here a few years
SuchWow: working IT repairs/custom installs/refreshes/etc
SuchWow: currently vacationing in vegas lol
SuchWow: but the poker scene here has died so much over the last 5 years
SuchWow: that it's day 3-4 and i'm litearlly in my hotel room chatting on irc because this place just ain't what it used to be lol
mircea_popescu: yeah, vegas is yet another sanded harbor in the history of civilisation.
SuchWow: it's now a hotel-centric business
mircea_popescu: kinda sad, for all who knew its past glory.
SuchWow: and casinos are the loss leader
SuchWow: it's so fuckin weird
SuchWow: cuz i used to come here all the time
SuchWow: <+mircea_popescu> kinda sad, for all who knew its past glory.
mircea_popescu: course that kinda ended in the 80s, just been soft-ish landing ever since.
SuchWow: i started in early 00s
SuchWow: with the new Strip revamp
mircea_popescu: !up moli
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SuchWow: won a $3300 jackpot in 05, and had free room offers from Harrahs (caesars) for 2 years as a result
SuchWow: was living in Cali $50 plane tick, starte going just for fun
SuchWow: and never gave it back haha
mircea_popescu: back when the hotels were the loss leaders.
SuchWow: finally they cut me off and said fuck you back lol
SuchWow: yes exactly lol
SuchWow: and back when they respected poker as well
SuchWow: that's the only thing i ever really did on my trips
SuchWow: poker + free drinks
mircea_popescu: well because it was the loss leader also. people went to lose money to champs just on the basis of hte brand
SuchWow: poker was always the loss leader, even during the boom
mircea_popescu: "oh i played with chow" "o yea ? how'd you do ?" "folded three hands!"
SuchWow: but now there is literally no tourist market for poker anymore
SuchWow: and half the rooms that have been jere decades
SuchWow: have closed or 50% in size/moved/etc
SuchWow: it's really sad for me to see that, but at the same time
SuchWow: vegas is still doing alright
SuchWow: it's just catering to a different ceowd
SuchWow: they also cleaned up all the hookers and homeless
mircea_popescu: yeah lol. government workers.
SuchWow: like literally, poof, gone
SuchWow: (for the most part)
SuchWow: it's becoming a destination resort town, with gambling offered as just one of several differnt options, no more special weighting
mircea_popescu: no more tables, no more cocktail waitress cocksuckers off duty waiting for teh winners, no more vegas!
SuchWow: no, they're all there
SuchWow: that's the surreal part
SuchWow: it's all still there, people are doing it
SuchWow: but it's different people
SuchWow: and it's just no logner the focus
SuchWow: the hotels would almost rather you not gamble as much as before
SuchWow: and instead spend $20/day on hotel wifi
SuchWow: and the recently increased across the board prices
SuchWow: on literally everything in the city
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418854 << the concept that you fit in there still boggles me.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:02:12; ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2
SuchWow: i am at a $30/night room at resort on Fremont
SuchWow: and wifi is 20/day
SuchWow: i'm in the wrong business lol
mircea_popescu: $30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires.
mircea_popescu: i mean there's some REALLY seedy places here, "hotel familiar" etc, literal hookers and bums,
SuchWow: $30/night has always been attainable on downtown vegas strip
SuchWow: that's not new
mircea_popescu: yeah. just saying.
SuchWow: it's all the *other* charges that are very targetted and new
SuchWow: last time is was $12.99
SuchWow: 5-6 years ago when i was last here
mircea_popescu: the idea of paying for wifi is so weird.
SuchWow: now they're just like 'fuck it, rape them on services and amenities and drinks'
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SuchWow: i went down to the bar and got 2 heiniekens was liek $15
SuchWow: or stick $20 into video poker and is free lol
SuchWow: but nobodyu is doing that anymore
SuchWow: the crowd they are now attracting just gladly pays
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:04:23; cazalla: i get more cuddles and kisses, but he only turns the tears on if mum leaves, not when dad goes out, doesn't seem to care as much
SuchWow: it is kinda brilliant, and the overall atmosphere is much better in many ways
SuchWow: just not my style and not what i came for lol
SuchWow: but it is surely more profitable for everyone involved, so i get it
mircea_popescu: government workers.
SuchWow: mircea_popescu: what do you think about the pres candidates
SuchWow: synopsis lol
SuchWow: you think a lot, more than me even
assbot: BitBet - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination :: 137.71 B (62%) on Yes, 83.19 B (38%) on No | closing in 1 month 1 week| weight: 20`618 (100`000 to 1) ... ( http://bit.ly/1KAXLHg )
SuchWow: rolf
SuchWow: was just looking at that
SuchWow: someone linked it elsewhere earlier
mircea_popescu: i didn't even bet, myself. but i think it's pretty much on the money.
SuchWow: but what is the end game
SuchWow: it's either trump v sanders, or v hillary
SuchWow: and i think sanders won't be 'permitted' 'able' to win
mircea_popescu: prolly hillary.
SuchWow: i think the whole damn circus is just a scripted mess to get hillary in
mircea_popescu: see there's this thing where they "prepare" future candidates. sanders may well get 2020.
SuchWow: which is fine, as she is the only candidate giving us the highest probability of continued stability
mircea_popescu: aha, quite exactly.
SuchWow: 'business as usual, etc'
SuchWow: whilst simulatenously appeasing outliers
SuchWow: buy giving sanders more support than perot, nader, and paul cpombined
SuchWow: thus enforcing the illusion that we are all really choosing the outcome
SuchWow: it's neat
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418866 << so nsa/mit are trying to push an alt. good for them. they'll fail.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:06:04; SuchWow: Just out of curiosity, what do you guys think about ethereum, meaning this chan in general
SuchWow: ahahaha
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418880 << and yet it's obvious. what's the difference between the two ? :D
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:08:51; ben_vulpes: i wonder how the conversation drifted from parenting to shillcoins
SuchWow: same hypothetical said about btc many times also tho
SuchWow: because he upped me lol
SuchWow: duh
SuchWow: as i said, i enjoy our bi-yearly talks lol
SuchWow: figured i'd bring my a-game for once ;)
mircea_popescu: tis much less of a hypotetical, tis a factual. look into the structure backing it if you're bored.
SuchWow: if nothing else, proving that trust/relationship can be established even without use of ratings bot lol
SuchWow: mircea_popescu: you're talking about eth, but saying not btc?
mircea_popescu: i can't say i'm not flattered nsa's trying their idea of "the mp approach", but in the famed words of knight, "get the fuck off the horse!"
SuchWow: or a combo of the two
mircea_popescu: entertainment and trust are orthogonal matters SuchWow
SuchWow: how did we get back to politics lol
mircea_popescu: but yes, an inkling of trust necessarily must stem out of outside the wot.
SuchWow: did the gov't have anything to do with creation of btc?
SuchWow: (just hypothetical by means of same token)
SuchWow: i knwo is unfairly braod Q lol
SuchWow: sry, wrist hurts
mircea_popescu: well, if it did or if it didn't, it's not like the case of ethereum in any sense.
SuchWow: interesting
mircea_popescu: what's that halfbreed's name, ho ?
mircea_popescu: gimme a sec ima dig out the thread.
SuchWow: but
SuchWow: if we don
SuchWow: tdon't really know
mircea_popescu: it was ho, shoe, something. elen chow.
SuchWow: then how can we say it is or isn't
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2016 22:14:34; mircea_popescu: i'll have shu's head, and a few others instead.
SuchWow: (i am incredibly not well versed in eth tho admittedly, just the snips i hear here and there weekly on various chats/forums)
mircea_popescu: no wait, that's maybe not it. wtf was it,.
SuchWow: i certainly started watching that chart for fun tho, as i always do for btc/ltc/doge, a few months back
SuchWow: has been a wild ride, and i called a lot of the movement correctly
SuchWow: (but of course had zero invested due to no free time)
mircea_popescu: well, basically the story of eth is, "what if we made a b-a, except not on irc but in a spare closet at a usg-sponsored university, and we tried to get idiot kids on reddit excited and inept javascript developers contributing code and MAKE A BETTER BITCOIN in the sense that it'll suck where bitcoin hurts us."
SuchWow: now that's the most interesting tl;dr i've read yet
mircea_popescu: then i went into them financially and they actually burned a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day.
SuchWow: right that's what gets me
SuchWow: i remember them fundraising etc
SuchWow: no prospects for growth
SuchWow: and then suddenly it's a currency and it starts acting like dogecoin, value/price-wise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00059471 = 6.6608 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: which is fine and good - by now it's obvious it's cheaper to kill it on technical grounds rather than financial seeing how nsa can print money but can't really hire anyone but indians and idiots for the life of it.
mircea_popescu: and so, here we are #2.
SuchWow: except that it seems to be maintaining the illusion longer
SuchWow: do people even consider eth to be a beta
SuchWow: or still alpha
mircea_popescu: SuchWow hey, govt has a lot of experience running ponzis. heck, social security is still somehow magically protected by illusion.
SuchWow: i've seen the page listing all the amazing proof of concept contracts/programs
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
SuchWow: and it is pretty neat
SuchWow: mircea_popescu: such is currency
SuchWow: and currency ofc is debt
SuchWow: it's all a sham, but it's amazing how long they've been able to prop it up and convince the vast majority of everyone to believe in it
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
SuchWow: what is the peewee word of the day lol
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47824 @ 0.00059379 = 28.3974 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: !up SuchWow
mircea_popescu: omg get in the wot already.
SuchWow: ok fine what do i have to do
SuchWow: make it simple
SuchWow: been in vegas for days and not slept much lol
mircea_popescu: you got a gpg key ?
SuchWow: anyhow, all i wanted to say was: [09:22:08] <SuchWow> anyhow i'm gonna drift off for now [09:22:23] <SuchWow> thanks for the good convo, be well sir (and all)
SuchWow: no i don't
SuchWow: just +i me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24730 @ 0.00058609 = 14.494 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: haha then a lot you gotta do. later!
SuchWow: way easier
SuchWow: or +v
SuchWow: or whatever
SuchWow: it's not like i ever talk lol
jurov: it's !up ... and you'll need pgp key even for eulora
mircea_popescu: hard to explain the benefit of sight to the blind
SuchWow: Nothing I do in this chan requires "trust" as far as I can see
SuchWow: it's just irc, and it's a chan i rarely if ever speak in
SuchWow: yet i do once in awhile read the chat here just for fun
SuchWow: anyhow, it's your chan, i'll shutup lol
mircea_popescu: let's just say that being able to see opens new dimensions to your life you never could see before.
SuchWow: hagn/d everyone :)
SuchWow: if i ever return to trading
trinque: guy's so tired he's speaking klingon
SuchWow: i will consider spending more time here, etc
SuchWow: lol
jurov: and actually, this chan isn't much about trading anymore
SuchWow: then maybe there is no need for an enforceable trust system before one can speak ;)
SuchWow: i jest i jest, really going now lol
SuchWow: keep on being intelligent
SuchWow: the world needs it
jurov: SuchWow: what about the code your ass runs on? no trust system needed?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418901 <<< i was certainly never in a bed with a woman and her 80 lb "lovedog" before, whatever that may mean.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:15:43; ben_vulpes: probably more crowded than anything mircea_popescu engages in willingly, and i don't even like it.
mircea_popescu: but then again, i am youthful and inexperienced. also was not in bed with woman and her infant child.
thestringpuller: so classic got 33 blocks out of last 1000. it's interesting seeing the derps derpin'
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:38:24; punkman: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Ccbgb0CXIAEbwoL.jpg:large
mircea_popescu: trump didn't actually beat inflation, let alone the s&p.
mircea_popescu: the thing anon establishment ho fails to mention, however, is that S&P 500 is not in any sense a thing.
mircea_popescu: THEY KEEP CHANING THE CONTENTS!
mircea_popescu: the difference between "S&P 500" and "here's a retrospective list of 500 companies I picked" is moreover slim.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller lemme guess, "consensus" ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29000 @ 0.000594 = 17.226 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:42:04; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 06:02:07; ben_vulpes: flycheck just deleted the contents of an entire buffer
asciilifeform: !s flycheck
assbot: 28 results for 'flycheck' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=flycheck
asciilifeform: the systemd of emacs.
mircea_popescu: an' how's the morn find you asciilifeform ?
asciilifeform: meeeeting...
mircea_popescu: my new whip smells of cow. ahh, sweet nature.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20750 @ 0.000594 = 12.3255 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I don't even know what people are revolting about anymore. It's like watching #occupy wall street with BTC
mircea_popescu: lol. brace yourself, that's also coming.
phf: ben_vulpes: i don't ever touch dependencies, so 40s for a full rebuilt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9836 @ 0.000594 = 5.8426 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38450 @ 0.00058888 = 22.6424 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35590 @ 0.00058699 = 20.891 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20041 @ 0.00059004 = 11.825 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: !t m f.mpif
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
jurov: !t m x.eur
assbot: [MPEX:X.EUR] 1D: 0.00256578 / 0.00256578 / 0.00256578 (42 shares, 0.11 BTC), 7D: 0.00254515 / 0.00262764 / 0.00266872 (2153 shares, 5.66 BTC), 30D: 0.00253517 / 0.00274909 / 0.00332476 (9529 shares, 26.20 BTC)
jurov: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: / / ( shares, BTC), 30D: 0.00023293 / 0.00039403 / 0.00049913 (208514 shares, 82.16 BTC)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14750 @ 0.00059375 = 8.7578 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6783 @ 0.00059471 = 4.0339 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8917 @ 0.00059553 = 5.3103 BTC [+] {2}
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26200 @ 0.00059375 = 15.5563 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14347 @ 0.00058726 = 8.4254 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418940 << this must include buildroot/gcc, the deps, etc.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:44:43; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << about 18-20 minutes.
asciilifeform: either that or mircea_popescu is using a 486...
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418972 << isn't there a 'don't feed the animals' sign hanging somewhere above them ?
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:54:05; mircea_popescu: o brother. i've been trying to give servers and stuff to the freenode shitheads for YEARS
jurov: how do i search in deedbot stuff?
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 13:55:33; assbot: Logged on 19-02-2016 15:24:53; mircea_popescu: * #freenode :Cannot send to channel
jurov: trinque what do you use to search deedbot's deeds? google sucksfor this, duckduckgo only a bit less
jurov: also, are you ok with me mirroring them often?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah it was the whole thing.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dunno, joined #freenode typed out the above turns out i had no voice. shrugged an' left.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34986 @ 0.00059554 = 20.8356 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16164 @ 0.00059585 = 9.6313 BTC [+]
jurov: omg there are 110M deeds?
mircea_popescu: no way ?!
trinque: jurov: please do not write a naive scraper that runs often :p
trinque: I have the logs in there for example
jurov: logs aren't so bulky I hope
jurov: did you set a limit at all?
jurov: huh but these are logs indeed
trinque: yeah, they're pretty big
jurov: trinque: imma use wget, should be OK if your webserver sends right date headers
trinque: just nginx on a static folder, should
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 15:10:48; mircea_popescu: lol. brace yourself, that's also coming.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419182 << what, exactly, is a 'lovedog' ? new word for skinny asian chick kept as pet ??
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:43:25; mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418901 <<< i was certainly never in a bed with a woman and her 80 lb "lovedog" before, whatever that may mean.
trinque: jurov: mind making sure it's returning not modified properly before cron job?
trinque: if not I'll fix it
jurov: trinque , yes "HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 416 Requested Range Not Satisfiable The file is already fully retrieved; nothing to do."
trinque: neato
trinque: scrape away
jurov: may not work if you ever shrink files, but doubt that ever happens
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419128 << i won't be surprised if a few trillions end up sunk into propping it up
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:18:16; mircea_popescu: then i went into them financially and they actually burned a few millions propping it up, and that pretty much brings us to the present day.
trinque: Anduck: learn from the above !!!1111!! ^
trinque: lol
asciilifeform: (what, it costs usg to print more 0s after decimal point ?)
trinque: but it does.
trinque: whether they intentionally sink the USD to try to push people onto a USGCoin, who knows.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419040 << woah this is only slightly larger than my old 'nazi submarine'
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:10; assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 09:02:12; ben_vulpes: there's only so much damage the little fuckling can do in 485 ft2
trinque: kurrency kontrolz for the 21st century!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419044 << where i live, you can just about part a motorcycle for 30/day.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 14:04:40; mircea_popescu: $30 a night ?! such can't be had in all of buenos aires.
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418801 << 9 times out of 10, it is simply that a new block appears, and has tx-dddos-crapola
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:52:51; ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=03-02-2016#1395250 << asciilifeform what was the actual trigger for the blackhole? requesting a specific transaction?
asciilifeform: there are also lesser blackholes, from the tx-ddos-crapola itself being received and verified
asciilifeform: (prior to it entering a block)
asciilifeform: shiva was originally part of an attempt to write a debugger to shine some light at this crud
assbot: DROWN Attack ... ( http://bit.ly/1VOPeYF )
asciilifeform: '...a new form of cross-protocol Bleichenbacher padding oracle attack. It allows an attacker to decrypt intercepted TLS connections by making specially crafted connections to an SSLv2 server that uses the same private key.' << l0l
asciilifeform: i thought this was old ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2986 @ 0.00059585 = 1.7792 BTC [+]
punkman: motherfucking branded vulns
asciilifeform: the original ssl-'phuctor'-no-we-won't-publish-the-data folks, incidentally.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
asciilifeform: 'it doesn't matter and we had it first!11111'
assbot: Logged on 18-05-2015 19:48:18; ascii_field: 'It doesn't work when Nadia Heninger goes to sell Phuctor before Stanford - Nadia Heninger doesn't own Phuctor, and the actual owners are very much present and very much capable to bitchslap her into oblivion.' << actually, 'crime pays.' chick gets a phd and cushy sinecure, etc.
mircea_popescu: punkman> motherfucking branded vulns << srsly.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the notion that nadia heninger "got" a phd and "got" a cushy sinecure, in the sense of got that you employ when you say b-a got x done is ludicrous!
asciilifeform: was given.
mircea_popescu: if i feed the fish in my tank, it does not follow that the tankfish "got" food.
mircea_popescu: and once i fucking croak, they'll get a cat's paw magazine.
asciilifeform: this much is obvious though.
mircea_popescu: "obvious" is NOT a byword for "stuff i ignore"
mircea_popescu: obvious is what stuff is that sits at the root of the tree of things and denies certain branches of thought
asciilifeform: hey, i'm also a fish, but in smaller tank with cruddier food and more cat.
mircea_popescu: permanently, without exception, in all cases.
mircea_popescu: what can i tell you.
asciilifeform: and in fact i'm in a fish store, in the bait tank.
mircea_popescu: whether you are or aren't : the notion that what nadia heninger did is in any way related to what nadia heninger "got" is the core and the root of cargo cultism.
asciilifeform: possibly she sucked the right pud ?
asciilifeform: or at least 'chose parents carefully'
mircea_popescu: there is no technology of prayer!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is clearly not an aztec.
asciilifeform: or tibetan.
mircea_popescu: i am clearly not a any one thing, but instead "rootless cosmopolitan"
asciilifeform: (do they have modern turbine yet in tibet, to turn prayer mill?)
mircea_popescu: because yes, socialist notion of belonging is always built on some version of "plox to believe there is technology of prayer"
asciilifeform: anyway i have profoundly nfi re: heninger.
asciilifeform: all i know is that she's 'house slave' and i'm 'field nigger.'
assbot: CacheBleed: A Timing Attack on OpenSSL Constant Time RSA ... ( http://bit.ly/1VOQ9sc )
jurov: trinque actually, upon reading wget man, it will clobber html files because it always reads only the added range regardless of date headers :(
jurov: so (S)FTP or rsync would be better
trinque: jurov: only html is the index
jurov: and FAQ
jurov: and maybe some other stuff you forgot :_
jurov: :)
trinque: I don't mind getting ya rsync, will have to be this evening
jurov: no, someday
trinque: heh someday it is then
asciilifeform: notice how every time the 'branded' bug burn ends with 'and now you must install openssl x.y.n+1 ' ???
punkman: it's all rather organized
asciilifeform looks forward to pounding in the 'g' knife into the ssl idiocy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70067 @ 0.00059681 = 41.8167 BTC [+] {3}
mircea_popescu: but what i personally take home from the whole "o noes, branded bugs nao" thing is that hearbleed REALLY hurt.
mircea_popescu: which is about as nice as all the derpage post-snowden.
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] F.MPIF 2015 trading statements - http://explo.yt/post/2016/03/01/F.MPIF-2015-trading-statements
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24500 @ 0.00059625 = 14.6081 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 116139 @ 0.00059732 = 69.3721 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: pretty good nightmare fuel.
assbot: Mommy, why is there a server in the house? - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1TOV1ja )
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.95000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b9
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19431 @ 0.00059625 = 11.5857 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 39583 @ 0.00059625 = 23.6014 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: lol what's with this trend of rewriting trilema poorly among the yuppy class ?
mircea_popescu: aaaand we're losing txn again.
ben_vulpes: the hundred dollar store is pretty funny
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform do you see txn bf77bf5ec7c02f4027caab024d5581d82bdea97ab8d7d97aac856169c038dd31 on 173.73.235.152 ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25100 @ 0.00059572 = 14.9526 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nevermind, false alarm. meanwhile i see it propagated.
assbot: Imgur: The most awesome images on the Internet ... ( http://bit.ly/21Acil5 )
punkman: jurov: translation?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: tx tends to be slow nowadays due to crapolade flood
mircea_popescu: in truth the failure modes for discrete production processes on the bitcoin network are currently still innumerable.
mircea_popescu: my list is in the thousands and i am still regularly blindsided.
mircea_popescu: i know it sounds ridiculous, but however it may sound, it is the fucking truth.
ben_vulpes: i'd like to see that list!
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1419361 < left: 'for yourself' right: 'for guests'
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 18:29:11; punkman: jurov: translation?
asciilifeform: discrete production processes ??
asciilifeform: elaborate ?
mircea_popescu: yes. "do X thing".
mircea_popescu: "make a widget"
asciilifeform: the failure rate is, elementarily, a queue thing
asciilifeform: (whatever you ask for sits in a queue behind 10,001 pieces of shit)
mircea_popescu: i was thinking tower of shit problem, but yes.
asciilifeform: which tower of shit ?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin, the tower of shit.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35587 @ 0.00059791 = 21.2778 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: a collection of rotten hardware running dubios kernels with ball of shit visual studio-level bitcoin implementation, expected to somehow do things.
mircea_popescu: ridiculous.
ben_vulpes: fractally bad code
asciilifeform: out of curiosity, what failures has mircea_popescu observed that can be reliably attributed to shit hardware ?
mircea_popescu: nothing can be reliably attributed to anything
mircea_popescu: part of the fucking problem, this
mircea_popescu: but on the other hand - i can't fucking hire people for the love of everfuck. there is no such thing as a lowly bank clerk in bitcoin. everyone must be at above-phd level of tech awareness - yea, i know that doesn't cut it to be in b-a, fine, fuck you all, there are STILL 100k phds spewed out the world over who think themselves as they add to the pool of millions floating around that they are pdh-level! -
mircea_popescu: and EVEN THEN everyone must have access to the fucking top of the hierarchy because it is a GIVEN that everyone will encounter fundamental problems on a monthly basis.
asciilifeform: wai wut
mircea_popescu: if banks ran like this the average teller would look like a fucking safari hunter,
mircea_popescu: except for the steel breastplate and geiger counter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is hiring a what ?
mircea_popescu: a nothing! i can't as much as have someone to clean the fucking floors.
asciilifeform: i thought mircea_popescu taught us that odin will smite those who hire hirelings
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162250 @ 0.00059813 = 97.0466 BTC [+] {4}
trinque: wtf?!?!
trinque: tcp 0 0 172.86.178.46:44113 185.30.166.37:7000 ESTABLISHED
mircea_popescu: do you understand how normal work works among humans ? bob has a widget factory, which needs a widgeteer, which is a job composed of 5 movements and 3 reaches, so he goes to the corner where kids loiter and goes "you there! do like this with your elbow! good. now read this list and apply it. every day."
jurov: trinque i was mistaken, wget does timestamping, so all should be swell... but srs 50kB/s? you serve deedbot over ADSL?
mircea_popescu: but no, in bitcoin it's "and if the clown car on the left comes unglued call this number and if the bla bla 5000 entries long"
mircea_popescu: and it's still not ~complete~.
asciilifeform: trinque: the fella on the left hand side is you, i recall. right hand - i think might be mircea_popescu ?
trinque: jurov: you asked if there were limits !!!111!!
trinque: asciilifeform: should be a fleanode server
trinque: deedbot- just parted
asciilifeform: trinque: tcpdump plox.
mircea_popescu: i happen to know what that is. ircd will just dump the highest latency users if it gets full.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the situation you described is called 'skilled labour' and it is how i eat.
asciilifeform: welcome to planet 3.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not in the slightest.
trinque: mircea_popescu: ah
mircea_popescu: skilled labour is what happens with bob and his factory.
mircea_popescu: this nonsense is just nonsense.
asciilifeform: taming bursting pipes which gush forth nonsense is - skilled labour.
asciilifeform: repetitive, trainable elbow movements is the other hind.
asciilifeform: of labour
mircea_popescu: ie, skilled.
asciilifeform: semi-skilled, if you insist.
mircea_popescu: skilled labour is hwat a carpenter does. he has 7 tools and 3 types of wood, and an absolute guarantee that his fucking board isn't going to spontaneously turn to marmalade.
jurov: trinque i'm used to limiting at ingress not egress. but i prolly disgress.
mircea_popescu: which is why it is WORK.
mircea_popescu: whereas what a doctor, or a lawyer do, independent professions and in no sense either labour or skilled, is to give you THEIR OPINIONS
mircea_popescu: entirely fucking different story from doing any kind of work.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i deal in boards that spontaneously turn into radioactive weevils.
ben_vulpes: ( jurov i chuckled )
asciilifeform: this is not work ?
mircea_popescu: it is not work.
mircea_popescu: elementary : because it doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: just like medicine doesn't work.
mircea_popescu: "oh, but does it help ?" "i guess..." "WELL THEN!111"
trinque: jurov: gotta go do an errand, but when I'm seated at desk again I'll put some more thought into the section of my nginx config labeled "Fuck you, Anduck"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: virtually nothing to do with computing, works.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ikr ? and now we had to build money on top of it
mircea_popescu: fucking stupidest idea ever, should have tried building it on old crack whores first.
asciilifeform: iirc it still runs on a backbone of crackwhores..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 77450 @ 0.00059476 = 46.0642 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK.
asciilifeform: as showcased in, e.g., rotor, etc.
asciilifeform: it is done, elementarily, by removing the weevils.
asciilifeform: and working with what remains.
asciilifeform: this is - surprisingly - a rare enough thing that i can live from it.
asciilifeform: but the down side is that, it being rare, there is ~0 demand, most places, most of the time.
asciilifeform: see old threadz, etc.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> anyway i specialize in making some selected subset of it actually WORK. << this much is true, yes. but you have a finite number of hands!
asciilifeform: aha, and, incidentally, i got 'volunteered' for 1.5 shift .
asciilifeform: (supposedly for 1 qrt. but lul!)
mircea_popescu: ahahaha what, awhole quarter ?
mircea_popescu: lol. well, the plan is working splendidly. who'd bother shooting you, you're rather easy to mothball anyway.
mircea_popescu: anyway. bill's up, i guess im closing down this phuctor server and eating the 2 month bill as cdb ?
asciilifeform: it goes up this week.
asciilifeform: db nearly done regrinding.
mircea_popescu: they may well cut it off this week.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: gimme an addr, i'll pay for it myself until it is +ev.
mircea_popescu: this is how you end up volunteered for 1.5 shifts, you know.
asciilifeform: it pays.
mircea_popescu: there is also that, yeah. anyway!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu himself taught us, 'dont't be poorfag'
mircea_popescu: i think i'm done raging for the day.
asciilifeform: my not-so-secret plan is to take some unpaid leave, possibly in summer.
asciilifeform: and, in order to have ~with what~ - well.
asciilifeform: anyway mircea_popescu signed addr plox.
mircea_popescu: and apologies to all the people waiting on https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ payouts. they're out now, 3confirms.
assbot: BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.63 B (9%) on Yes, 16.49 B (91%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwPbF )
mircea_popescu: i blame cascading failure in teh bitcoin stack.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59748 @ 0.00059874 = 35.7735 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33450 @ 0.00059044 = 19.7502 BTC [-] {3}
ben_vulpes: wait how is phyctor going to be +ev?
ben_vulpes: and what is 'cdb' mircea_popescu ?
mircea_popescu: cost of doing business
ben_vulpes: !up Anduck
Anduck: thank you very much
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: snsa is supposed to drag phuctor as a sled behind it
mircea_popescu: i dunno, originally it was a pretty good marketing tool.
asciilifeform: initially, mircea_popescu propelled the sled
asciilifeform: then - the shareholders
mircea_popescu: but then got bogged down.
asciilifeform: but i say that until the engine is ready, i will pull sled with own back.
Anduck: fwiw, i tried to pm with trinque but he kept ignoring me from the beginning. my script accidentally used his site too frequently and now he's doing this, annoying me occasionally with sudden "fuck you anduck" hilights etc
mircea_popescu: !down Anduck
mircea_popescu: seriously, guy's a retard, that's all there is to it.
asciilifeform: !s gettrust Anduck
assbot: 12 results for 'gettrust Anduck' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=gettrust+Anduck
asciilifeform: !gettrust Anduck
assbot: Trust relationship from user asciilifeform to user Anduck: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -6 via 10 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=asciilifeform&to=Anduck | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/Anduck/
asciilifeform: there we go.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00083074 BTC on 'Yes' - Bitcoin to top $900 before Sep 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1251/bitcoin-to-top-900-before-sep-2016/#b1
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: dulap is not only platform for phuctor, but will host 'g', gossip, etc., and is presently the largest and most reliable trb battleship. and i will pay for it personally, because wtf.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00058703 = 13.5604 BTC [-]
thestringpuller: !s zulag
assbot: 5 results for 'zulag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zulag
ben_vulpes: !s zoolag
assbot: 96 results for 'zoolag' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=zoolag
thestringpuller: thx ben_vulpes
asciilifeform: zoolag is a different machine !
asciilifeform: it lives at my house.
asciilifeform: not related to dulap except in the fact that both are trb nodes.
asciilifeform: (and both are gardened by yours truly)
thestringpuller: !s phuctor status
assbot: 0 results for 'phuctor status' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phuctor+status
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36180 @ 0.00058608 = 21.2044 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 78870 @ 0.000586 = 46.2178 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes yes
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43850 @ 0.00059664 = 26.1627 BTC [+] {3}
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 7.50000000 BTC on 'No' - Bernie Sanders will be Democrats' 2016 Presidential Nominee - http://bitbet.us/bet/1242/bernie-sanders-will-be-democrats-2016-presidential-nominee/#b26
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 91050 @ 0.000586 = 53.3553 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: http://www.coindesk.com/microsoft-ethereum-startup-blockchain/ << "The simple, rapid and flexible one-click deploy of Ethereum blockchain architecture launched on the Microsoft Azure Marketplace enables enterprises and developers to quickly deploy a certified blockchain environment on Azure."
assbot: Microsoft Certifies Ethereum Offering in Blockchain Service First - CoinDesk ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPqCzW )
kakobrekla: eth goes up another 20 purrcent
mircea_popescu: shall be a fun year.
deedbot-: [Trilema] MPEx (S.MPOE) February 2016 Statement - http://trilema.com/2016/mpex-smpoe-february-2016-statement/
asciilifeform: in unrelated-to-anything nyooz, if anyone wants a patched (removed idiot pci whitelist) heathen bios for x60, email me.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38680 @ 0.000586 = 22.6665 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42895 @ 0.00058376 = 25.0404 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17000 @ 0.00059511 = 10.1169 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41650 @ 0.00059735 = 24.8796 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57700 @ 0.00058671 = 33.8532 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 82749 @ 0.00058113 = 48.0879 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Issue 6648002: Make DBUS an optional dependency so Chromium can be built without it.... - Code Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1oWIGx8 )
asciilifeform: 'oh noez, without dbus, how will wwwtron ask your wifi card to snitch your gps coords'
assbot: Is dbus really needed? | The FreeBSD Forums ... ( http://bit.ly/216ZZqT )
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 5.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b129
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26800 @ 0.00058006 = 15.5456 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57850 @ 0.00059742 = 34.5607 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: that trump thing's on fire
kakobrekla: too bad we dont get elections more often
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25726 @ 0.00059592 = 15.3306 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 21:39:15; mircea_popescu: that trump thing's on fire
mircea_popescu: i dunno, she has such a perfect loser face.
asciilifeform: 'fata de impins vagoane' !
mircea_popescu: not really, she's rather lizard faced, neh ?
asciilifeform not master of faces.
asciilifeform: but yeah.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 113216 @ 0.00058388 = 66.1046 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 530800 @ 0.00057366 = 304.4987 BTC [-] {11}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 271975 @ 0.00056977 = 154.9632 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 138750 @ 0.00056924 = 78.9821 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47300 @ 0.00056877 = 26.9028 BTC [-]
mats: it slides
mircea_popescu: heh look at that, mpex was almost 60k again
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14000 @ 0.00056877 = 7.9628 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 30000 @ 0.00056899 = 17.0697 BTC [+]
jurov: http://therealbitcoin.org/deedbot.org/index.html soo, the mirror is here. of course nothing is so simple, i ran into wget trying to follow urls in .txt (!) files and even trying to fix them(!!!)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 96259 @ 0.000569 = 54.7714 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20000 @ 0.00056856 = 11.3712 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: jurov very good thing tho, deedbot mirror.
mircea_popescu: does it contain enough info to verify the deeds ?
jurov: only if deedbot.org contains
trinque: the FAQ page specifies how to verify them if one has a deed bundle
mircea_popescu: aite just make sure some silly tidbit doesn't get lost and we find ourselves stranded
mircea_popescu: maybe try and verify one on the basis of the mirrored data only to be sure ?
trinque: yeah, just a matter of taking the deed bundle txt, performing sha256 and using that as the privkey, generating a pubkey and address from that
trinque: it would be good for me to post an example verifier on the site
trinque: adlai has done so himself, I know
mircea_popescu: well... the deed seals keep getting spent, so someone must be
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 61100 @ 0.00056796 = 34.7024 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3524 @ 0.00056774 = 2.0007 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16276 @ 0.0005677 = 9.2399 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52659 @ 0.00057157 = 30.0983 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: TrumpDonald.org ... ( http://bit.ly/1oNrwkM )
mircea_popescu: sooo... it pains me to say that bitbet was just on the receiving end of a concerted miner withholding attack.
mircea_popescu: specifically : a set of a dozen or so txn that were trying to pay out winners of a bet went out, only to be "ignored" by the network. they all spent the same inputs. this went on for about a week.
mircea_popescu: once a transaction that DIDN'T spend the same inputs was announced and confirmed, the OLD transactions were somehow found, and are now broadcast.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 160428 @ 0.00056684 = 90.937 BTC [-] {5}
mircea_popescu: this adds an entire layer of breakage to the already broken bitcoin infrastructure. specifically - due to chinese miner collusion (and yes they do control over 50% of the network) it is impossible to guarantee payment at ANY point in the future.
mircea_popescu: because they can sit on a transaction more or less forever.
mircea_popescu: the damage in this case is ~17 BTC, which whatever - cdb.
mircea_popescu: HOWEVER - bitbet will NOT ever make 2nd transactions for any reason and in any case.
mircea_popescu: this means that if you are waiting on a payment - you got to talk to a miner. bitbet will not further consider any complaints of this nature.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla ^
kakobrekla: this is a problem.
mircea_popescu: the problem is broadly speaking that bitcoin is not actually fit for commerce, and that fixing it necessarily requires changing the pow to exclude f2pool/antpool/etc.
kakobrekla: afaik would not happen if you would select same inputs to be used for second tx or alternatively rebroadcast the first one
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla this is what i was doing for a fucking week.
mircea_popescu: however - since bitbet publishes the payout addresses, it's trivial for them to know what to sit on.
kakobrekla: the currently unconfirmed tx has 0 fee ?
mircea_popescu: one of the many. understand that there was a set of these.
kakobrekla: and the 29 blocks confirmed one has 0.00022
mircea_popescu: the one you see now was broadcast originally saturday.
kakobrekla: one of txes with erroneous 0 fee also got lost after a 2 or 3 days a couple of days ago
punkman: gotta try to spend/move the old inputs to be sure old transaction doesn't suddenly reappear
mircea_popescu: punkman except spending goes through the same process generally.
mircea_popescu: if spending worked, the problem wouldn't exist in the first place.
mircea_popescu: but spending doesn't, actually, work.
punkman: myeah, but gotta wait until you succeed before sending 2nd payment
kakobrekla: the problem isnt bitbet being targeted. the problem is 0 fee and the fact you can know if uncofirmed tx is out of EVERYONES mempool.
mircea_popescu: but the whole KEY of the thing is that this "wait until you succeed" ~= infinity.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla understand : just because they picked one particular txn out of a set of txn they withheld should NOT be an argument they may bring.
kakobrekla: anyway, tx is unconfirmed at this time with 0 fee, it will take a while to get included in a block if it even will be. you can try to doublespend those inputs to a different address and save the btc.
mircea_popescu: and the one doublespending it with a fee is... not visible. right ?
mircea_popescu: i'm sorry. i mean... sorry for your win.
mircea_popescu: or... wait, how did it go ?
kakobrekla: txid ?
mircea_popescu: b28245044ac784766b58dcef00750608400c43bd63dce0f8c41491bd9405ad3a
mircea_popescu: for instance.
kakobrekla: that is the doublespend of de9bc173174f5ae97e7fe0d2e171647cade189c76f9cbe48f37494c973aca2e4 ?
mircea_popescu: well, i'm going to make more, and try to mine them and etc, but yes.
mircea_popescu: anyway. miners must be broken, burned and the land fucking salted.
mircea_popescu: worst enemy of the coin.
kakobrekla: its possible you are connected to a node pocket - trb do not like non-trb nodeas (ban hammer) so they are only left connected (mostly) to trb, not prb which you need if you want the world to see your txes
mircea_popescu: all sorts of things are possible.
mircea_popescu: apparently.
deedbot-: [serialized delusions] Wget malignant featuritis - http://explo.yt/post/2016/03/02/Wget-malignant-featuritis
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38950 @ 0.00056633 = 22.0586 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: jurov ends with 'Also, I should' ?
jurov: fixed that
jurov: oh somebody reads my blog?
mircea_popescu: eh get out of here, many people read your blog.
assbot: GitHub - chfoo/wpull: Wget-compatible web downloader and crawler. ... ( http://bit.ly/1T6JBY1 )
kakobrekla: anyway, given the current state of txes there is a good chance that evil 0 fee tx will get forgotten again
kakobrekla: 'forgotten'.
kakobrekla: gotta move the coins.
punkman: once you broadcast you can never assume it's forgotten
mircea_popescu: i personally think the only reason it's not mined yet is that there hasn't been a block.
kakobrekla: punkman hence added quotes
kakobrekla: 2 blocks in past 9 minutes
mircea_popescu: doesn't need to be in the next one. understand how miner collusion works.
mircea_popescu: as long as the competitor isn't mined, what's the hurry ?
kakobrekla: anyway, 'some party' cant order ALL the miners 'not to include' your tx really.
mircea_popescu: 400736 was empty, for instance.
mircea_popescu: no, not ALL. just enough of an all.
kakobrekla: and we ha ve 737
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 1.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b11
kakobrekla: can you share the tx hex of b28245044ac784766b58dcef00750608400c43bd63dce0f8c41491bd9405ad3a ?
mircea_popescu: aaaaand it confirmed
mircea_popescu: how about that kakobrekla ! not bad for a 0 fee tx "in this climate" eh ?
kakobrekla: is not bad no, i guess the size and age did it just.
mircea_popescu: not saturday, right ? and not the one before it, when the bet closed
mircea_popescu: just now, an hour after the other one, all it needs is a block.
mircea_popescu: i'm so ever impressed.
mircea_popescu: for the record, there are about 50k txn with a higher per-byte offering, and all of those have been in the mempool for ehhh i dunno, a week more than half hour ?
kakobrekla: i could easily get past fee paying txes with large and old inputs without fee months ago. i reckon this still stands.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 47608 @ 0.00056821 = 27.0513 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: dude what nonsense is this.
mircea_popescu: so a tx is broadcast, saturday. it doesn't even register.
mircea_popescu: then it just so happens that tuesday night it's good enough ?
kakobrekla: you get higher priority when unconfirmed time rises, yes.
mircea_popescu: this is the smoking gun re miner collusion to scam bitbet. the loing and the short of it.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla IT HAD NO UNCONFIRMED TIME
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 15.00000000 BTC on 'Yes' - Donald Trump gets Republican Nomination - http://bitbet.us/bet/1206/donald-trump-gets-republican-nomination/#b130
mircea_popescu: it was a 20 minute old txn at the time it was included in a block.
kakobrekla: you cant just delete tx from EVERYONES mempool
mircea_popescu: but you can.
mircea_popescu: someone just did.
mircea_popescu: "Received 17 minutes ago Confirmations 3/6 "
mircea_popescu: how do you like that!
kakobrekla: for all we knowKnCMiner or whoever mined it, had it in his mempool all this time.
mircea_popescu: they're witholding blocks (what, you think the blocks you see are the blocks at they're mined ?!), they're withholding txn now, etc.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla yeah, had it in sidepool for 4 days, waiting to see if i repay it without doublespent. which i did. today. 2 hours ago.
kakobrekla: actually no need to rebroadcast in that case, you can just include in block - would not see it as uncofirmed at all.
kakobrekla: so somebody else had it as well.
mircea_popescu: understand : at the time you saw it as "broadcast" it was ALREADY included in a block
mircea_popescu: that was at the time withheld.
ben_vulpes: waiwut how does it make economic sense to not release blocks?
mircea_popescu: because miner colusion, again.
kakobrekla: it could be malicious act by someone who won that bet. saw a 0 conf tx and tried to take advantage of this what just happened.
mircea_popescu: you don't see nasdaq data straight, but with half hour delay
mircea_popescu: why do you expect you see block data ? chinese miners have their own pre-time network.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla only miners in control of well over 90% of hash can attempt this sort of inept shit.
kakobrekla: anyone could have done it as long as it fools you that it has been 'forgotten'.
mircea_popescu: in fact - once you have 51% you can withhold blocks forever with impunity - time works in your favour.
kakobrekla: and needs resigning.
mircea_popescu: the only anyone who can destroy a txn is the anyone who controls the mining.
kakobrekla: flood of txes + 0 fee tx brings about good chance of falling out block readers
mircea_popescu: i can't comprehend what you're trying to argue here. you're roughly in the position of a prison warden facing an empty cell and a hole in the wall going "hey, water infiltration can sometimes make holes in walls"
mircea_popescu: yeah, i'm sure they can.
kakobrekla: its not impossible you will make a tx from some inputs, which will be 'forgotten' and say fuck you [i only a slight problem so far as long as the tx hex is published and can be rebroadcast] and then later on use those same inputs for another tx [i have a larger problem with that]
kakobrekla: because you leave it the bitcoind to select the inputs.
mircea_popescu: say wut ?
mircea_popescu: look, let's try and get on the same page here. so saturday (sunday by bitbet time) the 20th (21st) this bet https://bitbet.us/bet/1209/jeb-bush-will-be-republicans-2016-presidential-nominee/ was resolved and paid out. the transaction doing this used some inputs to pay out the winners. let's call it tx A1.
assbot: BitBet - Jeb Bush will be Republicans' 2016 Presidential Nominee :: 1.63 B (9%) on Yes, 16.49 B (91%) on No | closed 1 week 2 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1KJwPbF )
mircea_popescu: later throughout the weekend, tx A1 was not visible in the bitcoin network, in spite of being broadcast to 100s of peers.
mircea_popescu: as a result, tx A2 was created, monday, spending the same inputs, paying a fee, and was broadcast.
mircea_popescu: throughout the following 48 hours, neither A1 or A2 were visible on the network.
mircea_popescu: a flurry of other txn, all spending the same inputs and paying ever more in fee were broadcast up until, most recently, march 1st (~16 hours ago).
kakobrekla: you pay out bet A with inputs Ia and sufficient fee. tx gets 'lost', not confirmed. people bitch. you post the tx hex so people them selfs can re-broadcast it. however for as long as that tx is not included in the block you can not spend those same Ia inputs.
mircea_popescu: about three hours ago, tx B, with the same outputs as An, but with different inputs was broadcast. this tx was visible in the mempool throujghout the network as normal, and was included in a block in half an hour.
mircea_popescu: about half an hour AFTER that inclusion, transaction A1 was REBROADCAST, and within 20 minutes of its rebroadcasting, in spite of no fee, low miner priority etc, was included in a block.
mircea_popescu: this is, unless you're insane, sufficient proof that
mircea_popescu: a) a majority of miners (ie, pool operators) on the bitcoin network conspire together to selectively deny valid transactions
mircea_popescu: b) the same majority of miners is running a withdheld block scheme, where they keep about a half hour time differential between the ACTUAL head of the bitcoin chain and what they published.
mircea_popescu: both of these are serious concerns, and both of these are, strictu sensu, sufficient to prove, not to propose, that bitcoin is not actually functional.
mircea_popescu: moroever, both of these are factual matters, on the basis of observed behaviour.
mircea_popescu: that's about it.
kakobrekla: thats one explanation however taking in account my own experiences with it - i am by your definition insane.
kakobrekla: anyway, for as long as the original tx is not included you must be careful not to spend those inputs in another tx. even if that means forever.
mircea_popescu: look, i know oodles of people have observed what to them seems "just normal wierdness"
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 23:16:38; mircea_popescu: the problem is broadly speaking that bitcoin is not actually fit for commerce, and that fixing it necessarily requires changing the pow to exclude f2pool/antpool/etc.
mircea_popescu: this is fine and good. however - i nicely structured this specifically to satisfy my own inquisitive mind. i am satisfied.
kakobrekla: i guess its time to add 'raw hex tx' data for re-broadcasting to bitbet resolved bets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform pretty much. i don't see what else is there. this is the fabled hour of reckoning, best i can tell
assbot: The Hour Of Reckoning on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( http://bit.ly/1KNFRFX )
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 23:27:41; mircea_popescu: anyway. miners must be broken, burned and the land fucking salted.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla im still thinking what the best solution to this would be, but as far as bitbet is concerned quite likely something like that.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla not that it'd actually do anything, just adds a gauge.
asciilifeform: miningisabug (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: whatever mining may be, it's not jsut the codebase that's broken. bitcoin, per se, is not currently functional.
asciilifeform: wake me up when it's time for the keccak knife.
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mircea_popescu: anyway. at present the best short-term course is, of course, publicizing the matter.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what do the miners win from this behaviour ?
asciilifeform: usg payola?
mircea_popescu: i suppose we're at the chinese phase of exchanging insults.
mircea_popescu: nah, usg doesn't figure into this as much as a prince albert.
asciilifeform: i mean, if declaring war of the worlds, would be good to know why.
asciilifeform: if even knowable.
mircea_popescu: why what ? why b) ? because it's way the fuck safer for them if any would-be competing cartel starts with a half hour disadvantage.
mircea_popescu: or why a) ? possibily because getting cocky about it.
asciilifeform: i think i get.
mircea_popescu: typical behaviour of spider unaware that what it's trying to catch is a wasp. that eats spiders.
asciilifeform bbl, is actually in one of the very few restaurants run by actual chinese here, and dinner is served
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 4.00000000 BTC on 'No' - Donald Trump will win the 2016 United States Presidential Election - http://bitbet.us/bet/1250/donald-trump-will-win-the-2016-united-states/#b13
adlai: ;;later tell asciilifeform http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-02-2016#1418562 << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-10-2014#868648 but it was pmspam, who knows where he found me
assbot: Logged on 29-02-2016 23:31:57; asciilifeform: (adlai ?)
assbot: Logged on 11-10-2014 14:12:44; Adlai: kakobrekla (~kako@unaffiliated/kakobrekla): o hey lisp and bitcoins. you might wanna check out #bitcoin-assets
gribble: The operation succeeded.
shinohai: ;;blocks
gribble: 400745
trinque: jurov: adlai: deedbot- node chewed his wallet.dat into pieces again, re-importing key. on my list of tasks for this week is to look into using shiva interfaces for this.
trinque: your deeds will go out soon as he's able
trinque: actually it looks like jurov's already has
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21990 @ 0.00056937 = 12.5204 BTC [+] {2}
jurov: mircea_popescu: mpex.biz does not recognize my sig and mpex.site threw error 500
mircea_popescu: jurov heh. moment.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00056821 = 8.6368 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: sooooo i discovered that emacs can be de-dbus-ed on gentoo by zapping gtk3
asciilifeform: (package.mask)
asciilifeform: this appears to cure all poetteringism in one stroke of the knife.
asciilifeform: supposing that anyone gives a fuck.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> wake me up when it's time for the keccak knife. << Is there a possibru lAb project here?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: understand, i do not need moar projects for anything.
asciilifeform: but when it is time for the knife - it will be time for the knife.
asciilifeform: (unless mircea_popescu wants to do it himself, which in his place i probably would)
BingoBoingo: Of course not, but mebbe keccak miner can be pet project for pet to play with? Every cat needs string, or in their absence lasers.
asciilifeform: pet does other things.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo im writing a qntra piece re the thing, gimme an hour.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Cool, ty
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Pretty much the definition of pet is gets to do what it wants, but many pets take suggestions.
BingoBoingo: !rate uchi -1 copyrigh wankery
assbot: uchi is not registered in WoT.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate uchi -1 US copyrasta wankery
gribble: Error: For identification purposes, you must be authenticated to use the rating system.
BingoBoingo: ;;rate uchi -1 US copyrasta wankery
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9000 @ 0.00056927 = 5.1234 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: lol wut ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Apparently the dude sold the site to another dude and retroactively converted the sale into a lease by claiming US copyright law.
assbot: devthedev trying to scam ??? ... ( http://bit.ly/1Tml6qf )
BingoBoingo: The scammed dude asked me how to present his dilemma in a way that makes sense that this was the distillation I found most obvious
BingoBoingo: Of course the solution in the long run is to stop trying to do the kind of deals which make this wankery a possibility
BingoBoingo: The WoT, many thought they could find an easier, softer way...
mod6: Good evening Gentlemen.
BingoBoingo: Man gentle to you too mod6
mod6: how's it goin BB?
BingoBoingo: Been better, been worse
mod6: werd.
mod6 reads scrollback
assbot: Qntra (S.QNTR) February 2016 Report | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1RFiKiz )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: BingoBoingo: In my reports I prefer to have duplicate numbers instead of omitting, so that I'm sure I don't forget something.
assbot: Gentoo Forums :: View topic - Can I stay with GTK+2? ... ( http://bit.ly/1RFiWyn )
BingoBoingo: jurov: Ok, will improve now
jurov: i mean just something like "....total of 8335 words. Total 8335 S.QNTR shares are issued to:"
assbot: Pambase is not that free | Flameeyes's Weblog ... ( http://bit.ly/1RFjh41 )
asciilifeform: 'a good part of GNOME can now be considered part of the system set. You have to understand that even if it might not be in your system set, or in the default system set for what matters, the packages have to be carefully considered to not break if they are part of the possible system set...'
assbot: dpaste: 2WXFPFC ... ( http://bit.ly/1RFjhB9 )
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
deedbot-: [BitBet Bets Bets] 3.94693692 BTC on 'No' - Bitcoin to top $900 before Sep 2016 - http://bitbet.us/bet/1251/bitcoin-to-top-900-before-sep-2016/#b5
deedbot-: accepted: 1
BingoBoingo: jurov: Blog version also updated
jurov: (like)
assbot: GitHub - fulldecent/system-bus-radio: This program transmits radio on computers without radio transmitting hardware. ... ( http://bit.ly/1RFk7xN )
asciilifeform: mats: ancient news
mats: yes
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 01:38:12; asciilifeform: supposing that anyone gives a fuck.
asciilifeform: mats: the crapple aspect is interesting though. the laptop monoculture means that folks can finally be relied upon to have the 'standard' antenna.
asciilifeform: i.e. particular length of the bus, and clock.
asciilifeform: whereas when i was doing it as a boy it worked on one 486 box but not another, mostly-identical one.
deedbot-: [Qntra] A Miner Problem - http://qntra.net/2016/03/a-miner-problem/
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i had this exact same experience when making the alphago bet. only difference is that malleation was involved.
asciilifeform: the days-old high-S tx was mined ~immediately~ after i broadcast the doublespend low-S.
asciilifeform: miners - are vermin.
asciilifeform: and understand exactly one language.
assbot: A Miner Problem | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/24A5LWu )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << i usually just modify the rotor script so that it just builds bitcoind with all of the necessary environment vars set, but comment out the building of BDB/SSL/Boost. The re-compile usually takes a few minutes. Not more than say 15.
assbot: Logged on 01-03-2016 08:54:01; ben_vulpes: i am also curious to hear about how long the bitcoind recompile is in your various workflows, asciilifeform, phf, mod6, punkman, jurov
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for soime reason indentation's off.
mod6: Again, this is for -recompile- only. Not for initial build. Not for newbs either.
mod6: mircea_popescu: interesting day re-betbet txn & miner witholding.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It's how the html you submitted parses. Looks legible even if some line spacing is weird. I just assumed you did that for emphasis.
mircea_popescu: mod6 quite.
asciilifeform: mod6: i have exactly that script.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you have two uls in there in succession, wipe one
mod6: the 99997 one were were talkin about yesterday asciilifeform ?
mod6: or the rotor script?
asciilifeform: the latter.
punkman: mircea_popescu: were the disappeared transactions low-s btw?
mod6: ah cool - yeah maybe post in here at some point. builders may fnd it helpful if they haven't made their own already.
mircea_popescu: punkman yes.
mod6: asciilifeform: also, cool work you started with gossip in asm on a eth card.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: ty, fxd
asciilifeform: mod6: long ago
asciilifeform: it is gathering dust sadly
mod6: ah. ok, just looking for more time or for someone to pick up where you left off?
mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419713 << seems ok. at least a guy can rebroadcast.
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 00:11:53; kakobrekla: i guess its time to add 'raw hex tx' data for re-broadcasting to bitbet resolved bets
mircea_popescu: it's certainly a step in the right direction
mircea_popescu: (rub miner's nose in their doo-doo)
mod6: yeah, this stuff has gone too far.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla has it.
asciilifeform: and maybe time for high-S miner?!
BingoBoingo: !up _FeltPen
_FeltPen: Thank you.
punkman: pen goes where
_FeltPen: where the sword wont?
mod6: in pooper.
BingoBoingo: ;;google buttcoins nao
gribble: They really are Buttcoins nao on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao>; February 2013 on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/02>; Bitcoin on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
mod6: weird, i thought that was in '12
_FeltPen: too dark
mod6: im gonna re-read that whole thread
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Soft fork for BIPs 68, 112, and 113 ... ( http://bit.ly/1oNXa1E )
mod6: oh there's even a qntra post.
assbot: [bitcoin-dev] Bitcoin Vaults. ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr3NBv )
BingoBoingo: Perhaps there is a new idiocy inhereted though the "Core" client fork https://archive.is/cIZOG
assbot: Bitcoin Block Explorer - Blockchain.info ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr4jiQ )
assbot: Logged on 13-11-2014 19:06:33; asciilifeform: bip64, aside from complicating the protocol and giving relevance to the gavin shitgang, is also a jam-tomorrow chumpatronic engineering structural element
assbot: Probably 51+ Percent Collusion And Cartel Action : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Qr4Q4B )
ben_vulpes: mod6: this is 'rotor_bitcoin_only.sh' in the rotor tarball
asciilifeform: i still use it.
punkman: bip64?
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419829 << with phf's patch (are you going to post that to the ML or shall i?), my post-clean compile takes 1m 16s
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 03:20:58; mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << i usually just modify the rotor script so that it just builds bitcoind with all of the necessary environment vars set, but comment out the building of BDB/SSL/Boost. The re-compile usually takes a few minutes. Not more than say 15.
asciilifeform: punkman: ?
ben_vulpes: on a 2.66 GHz IC2Duo.
asciilifeform: punkman: the timelock thing
ben_vulpes: i have no idea if this is an abnormally long or short time
asciilifeform: and in general all variations on the 'locked coins' crapola
asciilifeform: it is all for one thing.
ben_vulpes: 5s after adding a printf to shiva.cpp
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lemme guess, "consumers expect" ?
ben_vulpes: i have no idea if this is fast or slow
mod6: ben_vulpes: ahh. ok
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: astonishing, how the same old crud comes back again, again.
mod6: <+ben_vulpes> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419829 << with phf's patch (are you going to post that to the ML or shall i?), my post-clean compile takes 1m 16s << im not aware of phf's patch. i did recompile with shiva when it was first introduced, didn't add or subtract any compile time as far as I could tell.
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 03:20:58; mod6: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=01-03-2016#1418803 << i usually just modify the rotor script so that it just builds bitcoind with all of the necessary environment vars set, but comment out the building of BDB/SSL/Boost. The re-compile usually takes a few minutes. Not more than say 15.
ben_vulpes: mod6: phf dumped a patch in the logs for compiling under gcc
ben_vulpes: works like a chaaaarm
asciilifeform: you mean, under clang?
ben_vulpes: er yes
ben_vulpes: sorry
ben_vulpes: clang
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: 'parsimoniously'
BingoBoingo: what should it be?
ben_vulpes: it /should/ be 'parsimoniously'
BingoBoingo: ben_vulpes: nm, fxd
mod6: ah, ok. will have to check it out.
mod6: anyway, gn all. will check back in later.
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: why would the cartel have picked up the original 0 fee transaction instead of the feeful later?
mircea_popescu: ftr ben_vulpes the c spelling is antiquated but english!
ben_vulpes: since when is english a supported language
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have no idea.
ben_vulpes: BingoBoingo: plz to replace 'o' with '0' in my comment if possible
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=02-03-2016#1419855 << you know, if the cost of running a pool is only 1% over subsidy + fees...
assbot: Logged on 02-03-2016 03:27:37; asciilifeform: and maybe time for high-S miner?!
mircea_popescu: on what miners ben_vulpes ?
ben_vulpes: rental miners
ben_vulpes: this was a thread?!
mircea_popescu: rented from... whom ? bitfury ?
mircea_popescu: samsung ? the fabled garage miner that hasn't existed since 2013 ?
ben_vulpes: are there no hashrentiers in the wot?
mircea_popescu: bitcoin got a problem, and it ain't no stinkin' "scalability". au contraire.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes understand, this isn't a field that takes well to distribution.
asciilifeform: i did warn, re mining.
ben_vulpes: the fiat competition was supposed to solve this, but unfortunately the trumpenreich is just TOO GODDAMN INCOMPETENT TO EVEN COMPETE WITH THE CHICOMS
mircea_popescu: pretty much the only way to handle centralization in mining as it is designed is through periodically picking up the fattest pig and throwing it through a glass pane.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes aha. the americans did what they do best - lost.
mircea_popescu: fabulously, utterly, completely, 18 months they're wiped.
ben_vulpes: gl0rious v1ctory!
ben_vulpes: as reported in the grey whore!
mircea_popescu: and now we got a problem.
ben_vulpes experimenting with two-line popescu/datstoievsky fusions
ben_vulpes: or however you spell your name
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes is drinkng?
ben_vulpes: no less than usual
mircea_popescu: a problem which to my eye looms a lot larger than whatever, "the last time english speaker wrote usable code was before they had electric typewriters"
ben_vulpes: ( asciilifeform: 'markoving')
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo so is teh buttcoin crowd all giddy with excited shock ?
asciilifeform: 'in my country there is problem...' (tm) (r) ('borat')
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Haven't really noticed it yet
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/bitcoinrpc.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1QqcEjy )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13000 @ 0.00056821 = 7.3867 BTC [-]
ben_vulpes: double right angles means 'put this value over here', right? but how does it make sense to put nBits into...24?
ben_vulpes hums 'throw the jew down the well'
mircea_popescu: doesn't it mean "shift bits by this many" ?
punkman: you can never know with c++ :P
mircea_popescu: it's either "shift bits by this many", "output to this entity" or else "pleasure my wife"
ben_vulpes: i have had two beers and a glass of wine since 5pm and none of that has made me nearly as ill as this line of cpp
punkman: except someone overrode "pleasure my wife" and it's now "rape my mouth with 12 inch dildo"
ben_vulpes: aaaaa
ben_vulpes: right because '>>' can be overridden at the...object(?) level in c++
hanbot: hey mircea_popescu, is it okay if i defer this month's pc4 report and combine in april?
ben_vulpes: hanbot has sensitive bets in flight?!
mircea_popescu: hanbot alright.
punkman: bitbet idea: "will mpif find a new PC in 2016?"
ben_vulpes: punkman: lol
mircea_popescu: punkman we were always at war with mouth and dildoasia!
hanbot: thanks.
ben_vulpes: and have always been allies with buttlandia
ben_vulpes: were simple sensible human mathematics too dirty for satoshi and company?
mircea_popescu: it's not the c way
ben_vulpes: b-but nBits is an int
assbot: Bit Twiddling Hacks ... ( http://bit.ly/1TPRYqN )
ben_vulpes: THIS IS WRONG
ben_vulpes: bit twiddling for motherfucking arithmetic?
ben_vulpes: c++ is an american programming language all right
ben_vulpes: fucking poverty of abstractions
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