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mircea_popescu: thew problem is of course not mr m.
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assbot: Twenty Four Hours in Ramallah ... ( http://bit.ly/1WhxsPH )
punkman: "Irwin Lipkin, 77, agreed he owes the government a Rolex watch, a well-known painting by Red Skelton and $170 billion cash on Monday, and was sentenced to six months in jail Wednesday"
punkman: (Bernie Madoff employee)
punkman: "Lipkin also agreed to give up a vacation home in Delray Beach, Florida as part of his plea deal, but he was allowed to keep another home in New Jersey, his stamp collection and another Red Skelton painting."
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43197 @ 0.00060548 = 26.1549 BTC [-]
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1235195 *yawn* just how do you enforce a judgement on a degenerate like garza?
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 20:56:02; shinohai: Ouch >>> http://www.coindesk.com/gaw-miners-lawsuit-340k-default/
shinohai: Pray he comes back from Dubai and politely pays you in full cazalla ? Like Krapeles
punkman: "GAW Miners failed to pay for months of electrical provision as well as infrastructure installation. The utility initially sought $346,647.29 plus interest and court fees."
fluffypony: that's a loooot of money
punkman: I wonder if any miners are doing this systematically
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 21:47:42; mircea_popescu: how exactly did some us black guy get his "we" to include i presume egyptians, which weren't black while he wasn't in africa, is anyone's guess.
punkman: mine as long as utility company doesn't cut power, make new account, start over
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=11-08-2015#1235245 <<< sorta mirrors the growth in the blockchain size
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 21:34:56; trinque: https://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/M1SL
assbot: Mexican Oil and Drug Cartels: Cocaine & Crude (Full Length) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYfCXY )
assbot: ~44% of Bitcoin mining hash power is currently voting to support 8 MB blocks. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IYfFmz )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36250 @ 0.00060984 = 22.1067 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: looking at tassie property.. come across all but abandoned laboratory in the middle of nowhere in the middle of tasmania, maybe perfect for asciilifeform types?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24200 @ 0.00062135 = 15.0367 BTC [+]
shinohai: ROFL BingoBoingo
punkman: went to the bakery, was thinking about buying a donut, then a cockroach looked at me through the donut hole
shinohai: nope.exe
punkman: I've never seen such a thing before
shinohai: Because I'm too lazy to go out this morning, bagels and coffee at home.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6750 @ 0.00060163 = 4.061 BTC [-] {2}
shinohai: vermin free.
punkman: girl infected me with some kind of cold, been sweating at random intervals since last night, but no fever.
cazalla: i would think just about every bakery has some cockies punkman
punkman: cazalla: yeah but not where you can see them
assbot: SABR.io Identifies Illegal Activity on Blockchains, Willing to Work With Law Enforcement - Bitcoinist.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1HFyha3 )
shinohai: Russia being obtuse again.
cazalla: "More than 285,000 people have backed an online petition on change.org, an international website that hosts campaigns, calling on President Vladimir Putin to revoke the decision and hand the food to people in need. " this change.org shit is recurring recently, i come across it even in the local rag
shinohai: I see change.org as simply an outlet for the masses to feel as if they are inspiring social change.
fluffypony: the people have spoken!
fluffypony: it's just that nobody is listening
shinohai: Oh well, be the change and all.
williamdunne: bank has notarized + apostilled documents certifying GPG key owned by me. bank uses GPG. bank requires documents to be signed in front of a notary and apostilled and won't accept GPG signatures. wao. fiat word sux
williamdunne: The whole apostille thing is fuckheaded as well
williamdunne is bitter
punkman: how do they use GPG then?
shinohai: Do they have someone writing out keys on bankslips?
fluffypony: stamps
fluffypony: they're the way of the future
fluffypony: obviously can't be faked
shinohai: lets just all go back to wax seals and signet rings.
williamdunne: punkman: you can send and receive encrypted and signed emails to and from your relationship manager.
williamdunne: shinohai: corporate stamps are still a thing
shinohai: well that's something at least.
shinohai: Oh I know. I had an array of stamps in one of my former jobs.
williamdunne: Recently I had the pleasure of having a legalized translation done
williamdunne: 62 pages translated to RO
williamdunne: Then three copies had to be done
williamdunne: In both English and Romanian
williamdunne: One for the translator, one for the notary, and one for me
williamdunne: Then each page had to be stamped and signed
williamdunne: And then the final page had to have seven (yes seven) stamps
williamdunne: Of course, this process had to be completed on each copy..
shinohai: guvment efficiency. Notarize with deedbot or something.
williamdunne: And then there is the lulz with South Africa too. "We need proof of address for the company"
williamdunne: "It's a new company"
williamdunne: "You need proof of address, like a utility bill or bank statement to open an account in the company name"
williamdunne: UNless I can sort out proof of address somehow, the process is:
williamdunne: Open account with another bank, that will literally send someone to the building to check it is where we say we are
williamdunne: Use a bank statement with the other bank, to open account with the bank who wants to work with us
williamdunne: 50 shades of derp
punkman: sounds like you might be doing it wrong
shinohai: When in Rome, you gotta do as the Romans do I guess.
shinohai: Gotta give williamdunne props for navigating it all tho. You make jeffery smith look like an amateur
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24700 @ 0.00060477 = 14.9378 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235479 < That's Secondmarket/DCG/Barry Silbert's company.
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 02:10:46; assbot: SABR.io wants to unmask Bitcoin transactions and has raised $1 million in funding. : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1IXFOlp )
kakobrekla: Guess who else they invested in? Shapeshift.
kakobrekla: which is voorhees iirc
shinohai: ShapeShit
kakobrekla: nice logo.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27191 @ 0.0006054 = 16.4614 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: evoorhees comments on [bitcoin-dev] Significant losses by double-spending unconfirmed transactions ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKiPem )
williamdunne: Eh, shapeshift seems pretty well executed from a customer perspective
williamdunne: If you're gonna be into crapcoins, might as well do it on a simple platform like shapeshift
assbot: I ran Bitcoin Core for >3 years, and I turned it off today ... ( http://bit.ly/1IKjKvs )
shinohai: hilarious. Whining about censorship when theymos censored nothing.
Adlai: bwah, /buffer 33
Adlai: oops
Adlai: at least it's not a brainwallet
kakobrekla: or is it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28941 @ 0.00060726 = 17.5747 BTC [+] {7}
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235668 << mega-lulzy how microshit drags it onwards for ~years~ on more-or-less undeniable orders from of nsa
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 05:50:26; scoopbot_revived: Microsoft Issues Third Generation Anti-Stuxnet Patch http://qntra.net/2015/08/microsoft-issues-third-generation-anti-stuxnet-patch/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8800 @ 0.00060163 = 5.2943 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235694 << if i had to move to another usg fiefdom, why not, e.g., midwest usa instead? same as australia, but easier resupply and fewer natural hazards
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 08:59:59; cazalla: looking at tassie property.. come across all but abandoned laboratory in the middle of nowhere in the middle of tasmania, maybe perfect for asciilifeform types?
mircea_popescu: lmao murdoch
asciilifeform: not to mention the fact that au is a kind of proving ground for fresh usg idiocies, with simplified bureaucracy, desaparecido without so much as a squeak
mircea_popescu: fluffypony if it's half and half 350k over 4 months means
mircea_popescu: something like half a mw, give or take.
mircea_popescu: not entirely inconceivable. and if you take the other half and pretend materials are free and you get billed for construction work at 50 an hour, that's about six weeks worth of a 12 man team's work.
mircea_popescu: also not inconceivable.
mircea_popescu: <assbot> ~44% of Bitcoin mining hash power is currently voting to support 8 MB blocks. << jesus fuck look at these idiots, didn't skip a beat
mircea_popescu: "85% voted to implement a trivial change that was both needed and uncontroversial. they didn't implement it and bitcoin forked. lesson learned! 44% "vote" to implement a change that mp said he will attack. WHATCOULDGOWRONG!111"
asciilifeform: why would they skip a beat
asciilifeform: hearn put on 'oppressed by cruel censors' suit, is now a darling of 'the masses' etc
mircea_popescu: eh what masses.
asciilifeform: the fecal masses, what other.
asciilifeform: mobilize the bolus! (tm) (r) (uncle al)
mircea_popescu: punkman sounds like some horrible african ebola. who's she been seeing ?
mircea_popescu: <shinohai> I see change.org as simply an outlet for the masses to feel as if they are inspiring social change. << well mostly it's an obama thing. guy made his own reddit, somewhat more dysfunctional.
mircea_popescu: <williamdunne> The whole apostille thing is fuckheaded as well << yeah srsly.
mircea_popescu: <williamdunne> punkman: you can send and receive encrypted and signed emails to and from your relationship manager. << who keeps all of them plaintext in his internet-connected excel.
punkman: ^ aha
punkman: also, there are worse things than having to apostille a document
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: I, mr government official, confirm that mrs notary, did in fact agree that the documents were correct that he brought on the day. She said so and she signed it.
williamdunne: punkman: Legalization, I know
williamdunne: I had to do that as well
mircea_popescu: williamdunne> 50 shades of derp << they have the same nonsense here. /me had cute notary clerk over for biscuits, problem solved.
williamdunne: yeah, mine came over to my house as well to deal with all the paperwork because she gave me some other pricks passport.
mircea_popescu: williamdunne people wanna matter. whenever a vote comes to whether they wanna matter more or less, they vote they wanna matter more. meanwhile they keep mattering less. what's one to do.
mircea_popescu: give them some silly putty to play with.
mircea_popescu: "The business model associated with the Sabr.io service is noble and honorable, as the company wants to eliminate any criminal activity associated with virtual currencies."
mircea_popescu: "noble and honorable" since when is this part of the discourse.
mircea_popescu: hire more native speakers, yo.
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 02:12:41; asciilifeform: how long has it been since sc4mz0rz quit doing the most elementary homework to see if other, larger and better-connected sc4mz0rz are pulling the same scam already ?
williamdunne: I'd happily give them some silly putty, but I'd rather not be forced to waste my own time and resources for something that should be easy like opening a bank account. Bitcoin has spoiled me.
asciilifeform: they're stuck competing (for usg trough) with noblis et al
williamdunne: Haven't you heard? Criminal activity is immoral by default
asciilifeform: and yes, their ad copy smells of india
williamdunne: If they outlaw breathing, you should not break the social contract by fighting for life
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that is not a drawback.
mircea_popescu: most scamzors live their entire life replicating what actually successful people do.
asciilifeform: and stone age islanders spend entire lives replicating what airplane makers do, aha
asciilifeform: just slightly differently
punkman: "if nobody else is doing it, there's no money in this scam"
mircea_popescu: for that matter, looky here. when i was younger, we had this constant problem where kids watched who knows what on the (recently available) tv and decided they're gonna be MOBSTERERS!!11 LIEK IRL!!
mircea_popescu: then you had the practical choice of either killing a bunch of 16 yos or complete disorder
mircea_popescu: (which was generally resolved by beating the shit out of them in group - apparently teenaged boys benefit from the shared experience).
asciilifeform: sorta how it was handled in ru at the time, aha
mircea_popescu: well what the fuck you gonna do, decimate the teens ?
mircea_popescu: not that people weren't tempted, especially after a fucking while.
asciilifeform: they were born to feed cannons
mircea_popescu: nothing better illustrates the fundamentally maggoty quality of the human race than being in the position of, approximately speaking, a highschool disciplinarian.
williamdunne: Never understood the usage of gang-beatings to show strength. I can understand it to create fear.. but strength
mircea_popescu: williamdunne what's your theory of homosexual rape in prison ? what drives it ?
williamdunne: Domination
mircea_popescu: so there you go. what fucking "strength".
williamdunne: I'd disagree that a gang-beating is particularly dominating
asciilifeform: incidentally, by all accounts even the vikings had 'lowering into pederasty' precisely like ru prison
asciilifeform: cross-cultural institution
mircea_popescu: ever been beaten ?
asciilifeform: there are folks who were never beaten? not even a bit ?
williamdunne: No, only ever done hte beating
williamdunne: So far
mircea_popescu: and you disagree it works ?!
mircea_popescu: you must've been doing it wrong.
williamdunne: Sure, but I was always on the smaller/equal side
williamdunne: I've never given a gang beating
mircea_popescu: i don't follow ?
mircea_popescu: well so then on what grounds do you disagree of anything there lol.
williamdunne: Purely in my head, I'm not certain I'd fear any individual in a group of 8 that beat me
mircea_popescu: obviouisly an amicable bout between friends & equals is a great community building tool.
mircea_popescu: no argument.
punkman: asciilifeform: there are folks who were never beaten? not even a bit ? << lots of em
williamdunne: For example, when one person tried to get a few to jump me, they were forced to keep a fairly large distance between themselves and I
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform "i've never been punched! black and white are the same color! a yellow apple on a yellow cab!"
mircea_popescu: ;;google "i've never been punched! black and white are the same color! a yellow apple on a yellow cab!"
gribble: SNL Transcripts: Daniel Radcliffe: 01/14/12: You Can Do Anything!: <http://snltranscripts.jt.org/11/11lanything.phtml>; Color of the Week: Spring Blossom Yellow - Houzz: <http://www.houzz.com/ideabooks/44456389/list/color-of-the-week-spring-blossom-yellow>; SocketSite™ | San Francisco's Yellow Cab Cooperative Could Be ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: williamdunne we're not talking of the same thing.
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mircea_popescu: and to close on a musical note,
williamdunne: mircea_popescu: What are we talking of?
mircea_popescu: ;;google don't take your guns to town
gribble: JOHNNY CASH LYRICS - Don't Take Your Guns To Town - A-Z Lyrics: <http://www.azlyrics.com/lyrics/johnnycash/donttakeyourgunstotown.html>; Don't Take Your Guns to Town - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Don't_Take_Your_Guns_to_Town>; Johnny Cash "Don't Take Your Guns to Town" - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=raXKeQ5qFwo>
mircea_popescu: williamdunne i don't expect this is something that can be verbally communicated, and jesus fuck have i wasted some time if that's actually not so. but perhaps it'll be easier to understand when you take yourself out of there.
mircea_popescu: ever heard of rotherham ?
williamdunne: Only the town
mircea_popescu: so in that town, there once were a bunch of girlies, which for whatever reason grew up with the impression that they're not plainly wrapped fuckmeat for some dudes.
mircea_popescu: and actualised this delusion by bitching at who knows what.
mircea_popescu: next thing you know, one's doused in gasoline begging for no lights and the other's staring at text messages in her cellphone about her sister and so forth.
mircea_popescu: so they DO change their mind, and go take their place in the line of plainly wrapped, bipedal fuckmeat.
mircea_popescu: it, apparently, for them, worked just fine.
mircea_popescu: ever read about all that ?
williamdunne: Not in any detail, I'll have a look
mircea_popescu: now, sure, maybe you personally are different from a few thousand pubescent girlies.
mircea_popescu: but the one time you'll know this, apparently hasn't come yet.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 46000 @ 0.00060843 = 27.9878 BTC [+] {3}
williamdunne: Did it work fine for them?
mircea_popescu: seems so.
williamdunne: From what I can see they may contend that point
mircea_popescu: howssat ?
williamdunne: Well the only references I'm seeing to it are describing it as a traumatic experience. While traumatic can be a force for good I can't see anything suggesting it did her any particular favours
mircea_popescu: you gotta be kidding me.
mircea_popescu: how about the references where they withdrew complaints / ran off from the da the day of testimony / etc ?
mircea_popescu: how about the references where hundreds of people were involved in raping thousands of preteens for a decade + and all the ridiculous queen's got are five convictions for less than five years a head ?
mircea_popescu: those dudes are going to be out before next year's out, they probably just wanted a break.
williamdunne: That sounds more like it went well for the one pouring the gas, than her
mircea_popescu: don't impose your values on others mkay ?
mircea_popescu: wen't great for her, she's rapemeat, she loves it, ask her!
mircea_popescu: da couldn't get her to say otherwise, after all.
asciilifeform: the pakis are there on deliberate authority of the local affiliate of usg.
asciilifeform: they are doing their job.
asciilifeform: which is, yes, cultural massage.
asciilifeform: yi yi zhi yi.
mircea_popescu: so no, people aren't these magical snowflakes made out of independent thought and closely held principle. that view is chiefly an economical surplus phenomena, people tend to form that view if they live for too long unchallenged. otherwise, people are lazy and small. some smaller than lazy, some lazier than small. but by and large not worth the mention.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun buy it.
mircea_popescu: the pakis are there because between fifty of them they have more balls than the collected population of britons.
asciilifeform: the last part is not in dispute
asciilifeform: but they were shipped in for a reason.
mircea_popescu: the part you propose is not necessary.
mircea_popescu: yes, for the reason that shipping's cheap now.
asciilifeform: they are also not collecting rapemeat in the financial district of london; or in oxbridge
asciilifeform: or any other Places That Matter (tm)
mircea_popescu: and no, the us didn't make shipping cheap, china did (srsly - look at what they did to that market if you wanna get scared).
mircea_popescu: and yes, china would be the main beneficiary of getting rid of all these northern barbarians.
mircea_popescu: so if you want to have a superpower, use china. the us is neither a superpower not really invovled.
asciilifeform: the way 'yi yi zhi yi' works is that a usg fiefdom controls its lower classes, which might otherwise have some vitality left, by importing orcs
mircea_popescu: actually rotherham is not that badly off. kinda why i used it to derail our amiable friend.
asciilifeform: 'not badly off' != globalelite
mircea_popescu: globalelite = patriarchy = cis scum = jew bankers = illuminati = omfg spare me.
asciilifeform: 'the folks whose daughters are exempt from paki' are as good an approximation as any
mircea_popescu: no folks daughters are so exempt except the paki's.
mircea_popescu: btw, northern barbarians = the pakis. china's been pushing populations west since forever, and is continuing to do so. not intentionally, mind you.
mircea_popescu: it just is so fucking big it causes gravity waves. when it weakens, the northern barbarians move east and you have european "peace".
mircea_popescu: when it strengthens back, the barbarians run off west, and yo uhave "end of empires".
mircea_popescu: why did rome succeed "holding the barbarians at bay" for a millenium and then collapsed in two centuries ? look at what was going on in china during.
mircea_popescu: globalisation's older than dirt.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Meet the Chechens ... ( http://bit.ly/1WiBPdk )
asciilifeform: 'And the only reason they succeeded in doing so is because we were total shit. We are still shit, but not quite so liquid, and in that shit there are some steel particles.'
mircea_popescu: and the steel particles are gonna stick with the shit ? lol, kay.
mircea_popescu: i moreover envision a situation where whatever steel's left, if there is, bands together and the shit gets buried.
mircea_popescu: make a shovel already, i've had it.
assbot: How to make a AK-47 from a shovel? - Turborotfl.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1TtCOD7 )
asciilifeform: (and no, not the barrel. what did you think.)
mircea_popescu: On the Russian side, it was invariably the mommy who came, and nagged her son: “You shouldn't fight! Fighting is bad!” On the Chechen side it was invariably the father who came. He slapped his son upside the head and told him: “How dare you lose a fight to a stinking Russian—the son of an alcoholic and a prostitute? Tomorrow you thrash him so hard that he pisses himself from fear any time he sees you!”
mircea_popescu: drunk and whore, what "prostitute".
mircea_popescu: for one thing, a whore's not prost [poorly] situated.
asciilifeform: bad translat
mircea_popescu: no, translation by a... putin russian.
mircea_popescu: how do you call that little barrel in which you keep sour cream ? putinica in romanian.
shinohai: ^ how did i miss that?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what kind would you prefer? a white guard officer ?
asciilifeform: (vs 'putin russian')
mircea_popescu: honestly, i would prefer a chechen.
mircea_popescu: but it is not really my place to prefer.
asciilifeform: hey they speak ru. ask'em
asciilifeform: (sorta how english is spoken in india, but yes, they speak)
mircea_popescu: fuck em, what ask.
mircea_popescu: looky, verbal-ness is drastically overrated this morning.
mircea_popescu: there's no way i can explain to williamdunne what he asks and there's nothing i have to ~say~ to chechens.
asciilifeform: spartan speaks with sword, aha
asciilifeform groks this, but also does not know of how to explain in printed word to folks who don't
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26450 @ 0.00061089 = 16.158 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: linked essay imho illustrates that 'chechens or local equivalent' are a necessary part of a balanced diet
asciilifeform: even and especially for folks who like civilization
asciilifeform: this is a point that gets lost, somehow.
mircea_popescu: "When I showed up, there were fifteen of them waiting for me, all grown men. I thought that they would simply kill me."
mircea_popescu: lmaop fucking idiot. who figures this, seriously.
mircea_popescu: oh, wait, this is a boy huh. myeah. kay.
mircea_popescu: problem is, armies don't actually work for this purpose.
mircea_popescu: not "shooting civillians". not "cowardly bombing".
mircea_popescu: you wanna win one of these wars, simply ship your guys over. by fucking bus.
asciilifeform: the only mistake i see in that photo is that the pit ain't full
asciilifeform: militarily speaking
mircea_popescu: the mistake is that the standing guy sought to protect himself.
asciilifeform: well it also
asciilifeform: but i assumed this was a victory shot
mircea_popescu: "victory".
mircea_popescu: where's that discussion of busses
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2014 23:42:34; mircea_popescu: if teh muricans really just wanted "something that shoots and a bus ticker there", i'd have been really worried about the afghanistani.
mircea_popescu: right ty.
mircea_popescu: so, yeah. do that, last fucking time you ever have to "fight" the "terrorists".
asciilifeform: incidentally what happened was precisely this
asciilifeform: trains full of volunteers from all over ru
mircea_popescu: so is it pacified ?
asciilifeform: not all the 'brightest bulbs', mind you. there were some comical incidents of the train stopping and local police confiscating (yes) weapons
mircea_popescu: and they didn't hang tyhe "local police" by the lamp posts ?
asciilifeform: as i said, not brightest bulbs
asciilifeform: re: 'pacified?' - my understanding is that it is somewhat like a leaking pipe tied over with gauze
asciilifeform: will hold, for how long?
mircea_popescu: you know, teaching a woman that she's supposed to neglect the functioning of her head so she can focus on... the kitchen, i guess, as the puritans can't quite make the cunt point, is criminal.
mircea_popescu: but teaching a boy that he should somehow cleave his intelligence from his activity is just as fucking criminal.
mircea_popescu: you're not smart to live a long time, you're smart to live well. length don't enter into it.
phf: that orlov quote is questionable, with the same message as his other writing, i.e. "orks are cooler then you" where you is a u.s. office worker. i grew up in intelligentsia family and when i started getting into fights i was sent to sambo. i also saw fights involving chechen boys, including "деревня на деревню" kind, and in none of those were russian boys holding back. what is this
mircea_popescu: phf this is rt-blog.
asciilifeform: phf: orlov is obsessed with the subject of 'noble orcs', where it is gypsy, or eskimo, or whoever hasn't invented water closet yet
phf: mircea_popescu: oh that's the idea about him, i guess that makes sense
mircea_popescu: that's my idea about him at any rate.
asciilifeform: he is also obsessed with characteristic flavour of '90s ru decay, and is convinced that he is observing it in usa
mircea_popescu: dunno that it's all that widely accepted.
asciilifeform: the latter point isn't even so far off
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the problem is that the us never having been a nation, it can't possibly fail like one.
mircea_popescu: leaving aside resurgence.
asciilifeform: can fail like india
mircea_popescu: already is.
mircea_popescu: but hey, orlov doesn't know about india. he got a hammer an' he's a builder.
mircea_popescu: he's gonna build you a wood-and-nails ethernet card!
asciilifeform: with square sails.
mircea_popescu: beahahahahaa why the fuck is that so funny omg
mircea_popescu: "Another time, in school, a group of Chechens stormed into a classroom in the middle of a class, selected the three most attractive girls, and dragged them away with them. Later we found out that the girls were presented as birthday presents to a local Chechen criminal authority."
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mircea_popescu: i think he's mixing the pots, too. this story's from serbia.
mircea_popescu: and the "criminal authority" has a name. also ran a hotel, which also had a name. etc.
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phf: "my brother's brother heard it from the guy WHO WAS THERE" "man, i wish i could just steal girls from classrooms like a brave chechen, because i sure as hell can't talk to them"
phf: my interpretation of the piece.
mircea_popescu: i know, right ?
phf: oh right right
mircea_popescu: i'm not an authority on subcaucasian tribal customs, but my guess would be that such deeds would be a face wound for the poor guy in question incompatible with any sort of continued authority.
mircea_popescu: at the very least he'll be henceforth known as abdulbek the schoolteacher or something.
phf: heheh
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mircea_popescu: (the funniest thing about chechens is that they actually use the given name bula.
mircea_popescu: bula is, in romanian, the protagonist of all jokes.)
punkman: "Totos" in greek
phf: why classroom though? how was selection process working with everyone running all over the place? did they had to dump one or two, because upon closer examination they were kind of meh?
mircea_popescu: phf ever seen salo ?
mircea_popescu: "una si bella fanciula... nessun' ne se h'a accorso..."
mircea_popescu: punkman does it mean anything ?
punkman: nope
phf: oh, lined them up, checked teeth and vulvas
mircea_popescu: and then never facefucked any of them.
mircea_popescu: (anyway, one girl, the only one that is overtly flirting with the men, is rejected for the obscure reason that she had a bad 1st molar. the procureress protests (in italian) that such a pretty girlie! nobody even noticed!
mircea_popescu: the real dynamic there is that the dudes are so fucking scared of actual womanhood they desperately seek, and for their sins find, an escape path.
phf: oh i thought it's a control fantasy, a bureaucrat who imagines himself a sultan will necessarily act a bureaucrat in that role
mircea_popescu: i do not believe so.
mircea_popescu: for one thing, if it were bureaucracy driven, wouldn't you expect the girl be shot ? the woman dismissed ? some sort of "repercussions" ? "consequences" and whatnot ?
mircea_popescu: a record made of the incident at the very list! what sort of bureaucracy is this.
phf: well, the fantasy is a from the perspective of the bureaucrat himself, so he doesn't necessarily sees the bigger picture like a monarch would, he just does the inspection. record would be required though
mircea_popescu: i don't disagree with the point at all, i just don't think that's what happened there.
phf: right, i've not seen it in a while, so i'm definitely misremembering
mircea_popescu remembers the early hopeful days of the chechen republic whatever it was called and that mustacioed fellow whose name, inescapably, came to "joker"
phf: dudayev?
mircea_popescu: duda something at any rate.
mircea_popescu: yeah. Dzhokhar Musayevich Dudayev check that out
phf: apparently means "doubt" in spanish, so "doubtson"
mircea_popescu: it also means elderberry in romanian.
kakobrekla: duda < baby pacifier here
phf: duda is a form of bagpipes, though not used in russian much, there's still "dudet'", which is to make a bagpipe sound. someone could work that into him being a blowhard somehow
phf: i started reading orlov with his piece about "everyone should get russian passport and move syberia to survive orks and global warming", i thought that maybe he was one of those slightly misguided older russian expats, so i sent him an email in russian with the general idea of, what about existing power structures there, it's not like moving to alaska, there's not going to be a shortage of local generals interested in hunting out of shape expats
phf: for fun. later i did some research and realized that he's some kind of u.s. aparatchik who spent his 90s in russia
mircea_popescu: lol wut, srsly ?
mircea_popescu: what the fuck is "Everyone" going to do in siberia, upvote the snow ?
shinohai: !b 2
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phf: well, by then, there's not going to be snow, because moderate climate areas are going to be mad max hell holes, where's your siberian mcmansion is only going to appreciate in value
mircea_popescu: yeah, universal literacy totally was a good idea, i see it now.
assbot: Jacob Torrey - Towards a new model of computational expressiveness ... ( http://bit.ly/1L5Rl91 )
mircea_popescu: "A Crypto Trick That Makes Software Nearly Impossible to Reverse"
mircea_popescu is not particularly impressed with this recently discovered pop-crypto celeb. srsly, this is it, people stopped giving a shit about "music" so mpaa may die, but there's going to be a naa creating "crypto popstars" instead ?
mircea_popescu is further unimpressed with "Since joining the cult of LangSec, I've spent a great deal of time pondering" intros.
mircea_popescu: my chair has spent a great deal of time pondering my ass.
phf: (there's a 90s russian commedy, дмб, about a bunch of hapless army conscripts. at some point they are supposed to provide entertainment for generals, in some total buttfuck nowhere location. one of the activities is pig hunting, they release a pig, and the general goes after it. so of course the pig gets eaten by one of the hungry conscripts, and he has to pretend to be a pig running through fields. i can't help but think about orlov's boomer
phf: s setting up base somewhere in that location)
mircea_popescu: "The divergence between the theoretical Turing machines and the machines designed to emulate has grown significantly; most of the "work" modern computers (including mobile devices, etc.) perform is not computation oriented as it was with a Turing machine. Today networking, graphics/audio and interaction with the physical world (SCADA, wearables, etc.) have become the key features that the industry is working on improvi
mircea_popescu: ng, not the emulation gap between modern CPUs and a theoretical Turing machine."
mircea_popescu: whjat the fuck is this. please explain it to me.
mircea_popescu: not computational oriented ?
mircea_popescu: current computer science favours the speed of light over other speeds "much more important to "us"". it is a serious fucking problem for usg/nsa/alphabetsoup that there still exist people who even vaguely understand what this shit even is, because even one in a million that can make actual decisions based on actual facts when that asshole asciilifeform publishes things about pgp keys or that asshole mircea_popescu thre
mircea_popescu: atens "bitcoin improvement" prgrammes is way too much.
mircea_popescu: heck, given the shape they're in, one in a billion may be excessive.
mircea_popescu: now my question to you, mats, becomes : what's this to you ? does the apparent novelty catch your eye ? or wut ?
phf: this must be a puton, his twitter says "Described by @wireheadlance as the Anthony Bourdain of InfoSec"
mats: i get the sense that he's on to something but lacks the ability to clearly describe it
mircea_popescu: now this may be.
mats: like he's attempting to improve upon the 'chomsky hierarchy'
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is anthony bourdain
mircea_popescu: and omfg the x of y enough already god damned pigdinheads
mircea_popescu: mats there's certainly a difference between brainfuck and c++ programs that's driven by difference between actual brainfuck and c++. what exactly it is, tho...
mircea_popescu: "But a boxing audience is always disgusting, and the behaviour of the women, in particular, is such that the army, I believe, does not allow them to attend its contests." lmao orlov and his middle class sentimentalities.
mircea_popescu: THEY WERE NOT EVEN NAKED!
mircea_popescu: see phf, men are deeply afraid of women. especially the men that never killed anyone for the simple aesthetic pleasure of taking a life.
mircea_popescu: s/orlov/orwell/ heh
phf: that's kind of an obvious point to a nerd boy, i thought the solution always was "stop being such a little shit", not "let's change everyone around me so i finally don't feel inadequate"
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jurov: siberia is good for hiding, i guess... not in mcmansion, tho
jurov: novosibirsk is on same latitude than denmark.. just that swings between -40 +40C in the year
jurov: *temperature
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phf: the heat in novosibirsk like in all russian cities is provided through pipes in a form of a compressed steam and hot water from a ТЭЦ. (a major difference between eastern europe and the states). if ТЭЦ fails, novosibirsk turns into a ice coffin, on account of all the concrete box construction. that actually happened in the past for short periods of time (like a week or two) and it's usually a major humanitarian disaster. we don't even know
phf: precisely how many people died in remote locations like that during the 90s as a result of rapid transition from central planning economy to a "free market" by way of so called "shock doctrine". that info might never surface
mircea_popescu: siberia is to be approached sanely, which is to say, dressed in furs you tanned yourself, with trained dogs and women that are provedly able to live like this.
mircea_popescu: if you can't field this you don't belong there.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'Jacob Torrey – Cyber-security Philosopher and Boffin' << to the furnace
jurov: no need for furs... just get some 10mm polystyrene from china
mircea_popescu: it doesn't grow on trees.
jurov: trade for oil, praps?
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 15:36:52; mircea_popescu: "A Crypto Trick That Makes Software Nearly Impossible to Reverse"
ascii_field: !s homomorphic
assbot: 24 results for 'homomorphic' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=homomorphic
ascii_field: ^ them
mircea_popescu: how about you go live in china, then, if your plan is to put your life on a foundation of trade with china ?
jurov: 100mm i mean
ascii_field: pseudomathematical claptrap.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field "trick" "recent" blabla.
jurov: gotta trade with somebody
ascii_field: 'learn the trick reverse engineers hate!!11'
mircea_popescu: HERE IS THE RECENT TRICK THAT B-A REALLY HATES. HOW AN UNEMPLOYED TWERP MADE IMPOSSIBLE TO SOFTWARE.
mircea_popescu: jurov if "gotta trade with somebody" is your premise, go to new york, and be a jew.
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 15:46:48; mircea_popescu: "But a boxing audience is always disgusting, and the behaviour of the women, in particular, is such that the army, I believe, does not allow them to attend its contests." lmao orlov and his middle class sentimentalities.
ascii_field: it was orwell.
jurov: but what i wanted to say... our block got just 70mm insulation and whole damn thing heats itself by used electricity and body heat alone, i have cold radiator at -20 outside
ascii_field: ok its in the logz
mircea_popescu: ah yeah. that stuff works.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236094 << orlov devoted a whole chapter to this, for english readers
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 16:31:25; phf: precisely how many people died in remote locations like that during the 90s as a result of rapid transition from central planning economy to a "free market" by way of so called "shock doctrine". that info might never surface
mircea_popescu: romania got covered in them too.
mircea_popescu: of course... once they age they'll be the best cockroach house any cockroach could dream for.
mircea_popescu: but let's not talk of "20 years later". not on the internet, of all places.
jurov: heh yes, will be funny to see how good is the "lifetime warranty" for
jurov: but whole blocks are mostly in half of their 70y projected lifetime
mircea_popescu: better'd be to see who hanged for the fact that prefab production wasn't transitioned to "sandwiched prefab with styofoam". in like, 1992.
jurov: what? whole prefab concrete thing stopped by 1992
jurov: and yes, it took another 10y for insulation to start seriously
phf: jurov: theoretical potential is not the problem. what i'm saying is that there's existing "flora and fauna" that you're going to run into pretty fast. local деревенские "people from the village", police, military divisions that for all practical purposes own the locations principality style and don't need to "trade" in order to get guns, cars and supplies. for some reason that sort of fantasies don't usually go "let's build a dream su
phf: rvivalist spot in Tamaulipas"
jurov: ofc, not for everyone
mircea_popescu has actually visited tamaulipas.
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ascii_field: in all fairness, orlov never advocated 'let's all you plankton move to x and colonize'
mircea_popescu: the only places plankton can colonize are the uk, france, etc.
jurov: i heard some stories that brasilia is okay
jurov: too
ascii_field: for plankton, anywhere is ok until... not
mircea_popescu: but fungus only grows on corpses.
mircea_popescu: it is true that spores go everywhere, yes.
mats: Torrey's research is actually interesting, if you'd take the time to read it instead of the Wired write up...
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 03:56:24; asciilifeform: i venture to say that the actual goal of general-purpose (or whatever approximation is possible) homomorphic crypto is quite different.
mircea_popescu has dutifully read what mats linked.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 04:11:28; asciilifeform: they would like to create (and then mandate) computing machinery that cannot be audited for security even in principle.
punkman: jurov: how does that insulation work out in the summer btw?
jurov: it heats up slower... but also slower to cool down
mircea_popescu: James Burnham's theory has been much discussed, but few people have yet considered its ideological implications–that is, the kind of world-view, the kind of beliefs, and the social structure that would probably prevail in a state which was at once UNCONQUERABLE and in a permanent state of 'cold war' with its neighbors.
mircea_popescu: i don't think orwell is properly credited with the invention of this term ?
mircea_popescu: didn't churchill in fact use it latert than 1945 ?
assbot: Bernard Baruch coins the term “Cold War” - Apr 16, 1947 - HISTORY.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1JU0oIG )
mircea_popescu: list of things to never trust :
mircea_popescu: 1. the consensus of the people ; 2. the internet ; 3. the consensus of people on the internet.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: iirc orwell - cold war.
ascii_field: and not some schmuck.
mircea_popescu: ;;google who coined the term "cold war"
gribble: Bernard Baruch coins the term “Cold War” - Apr 16, 1947 - HISTORY ...: <http://www.history.com/this-day-in-history/bernard-baruch-coins-the-term-cold-war>; Cold War - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_War>; Cold war (general term) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_war_(general_term)>
mircea_popescu: "philantropist and financier"
mircea_popescu: as if this is how it works nao.
mircea_popescu: Had the atomic bomb turned out to be something as cheap and easily manufactured as a bicycle or an alarm clock, it might well have plunged us back into barbarism, but it might, on the other hand, have meant the end of national sovereignty and of the highly-centralised police state. If, as seems to be the case, it is a rare and costly object as difficult to produce as a battleship, it is likelier to put an end to large-
mircea_popescu: scale wars at the cost of prolonging indefinitely a 'peace that is no peace'.
ascii_field: !s you and the atomic bomb
assbot: 14 results for 'you and the atomic bomb' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=you+and+the+atomic+bomb
ascii_field: ^ many threadz
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=05-02-2014#481175 << you may be right. regardless, 'HARES' is pretty cool.
assbot: Logged on 05-02-2014 04:11:28; asciilifeform: they would like to create (and then mandate) computing machinery that cannot be audited for security even in principle.
mats: http://jacobtorrey.com/HARES-WP.pdf << white paper for interested folks. only available in pdf, unfortunately
ascii_field: 'cool' in precisely the same sense as the bomb collars
ascii_field: on ~other people~ strictly.
mircea_popescu: my perception of "secured computing", for what it's worth (perhaps not much) is that it's very much akin to clothing. sure, it "protects the body". yet one generally wishes for the sort of house that allows, and that's populated by the sort of women that don't particularly need that protection.
mircea_popescu: that munroe character makes the same point with schoolchildren, schoolmasters and condoms, but i have no taste for it.
mircea_popescu: so : yes, great, for outside. not the chief point of computing in any sense.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the 'homomorphic' shit is strictly for 'secure against owner'
mircea_popescu: "I think it is worth recording what some of them cost, just to show what you can do with a few shillings if you invest them in something that grows.I think it is worth recording what some of them cost, just to show what you can do with a few shillings if you invest them in something that grows. [...] Between them, in nine years, those seven rose bushes will have given what would add up to a hundred or a hundred and fif
mircea_popescu: ty months of bloom" << epic. in the same article he complains about someone complaining about roses being bourgeois.
mircea_popescu: guy's fuckin' delicious already
mircea_popescu: ascii_field looky, there's some value into getting better control of the "owners" of zombie computers.
mircea_popescu is kind of sick paying "datacenters" for hosting, i'd much rather pay "criminals".
ascii_field not following how this relates
mircea_popescu: ascii_field you don't imagine the stuff won't be hacked, right ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: which 'stuff'
mircea_popescu: let the good people of jwz nation run "secure" "homowhatever" computers.
mircea_popescu: so i can run trilema off of them and there's nothing they can do about it.
ascii_field: the (largely lysenkoine and fraudulent, but bear with me) promise of 'homomorphic' is that you can, ostensibly, make a circuit where determining function is similar to breaking rsa
ascii_field: trivial example being paillier's algo
mircea_popescu: in your mind this means "i won't be able to tell if nsa is running X on my computer". in my mind, this means "nsa won't be able to tell if i'm running trilema off obama's computer".
mircea_popescu: technology has no particular social value.
ascii_field: except nsa ~can~
mircea_popescu: or so it ~thinks~.
ascii_field: on account of the whole thing being a 'weak keys' crock of shit
mircea_popescu: ideally.
ascii_field: like (potentially) aes.
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mircea_popescu: these things never work the way one hopes they will.
mircea_popescu: but yes, you're broadly correct in suspecting that past this general, "managerial" intuition i lack any actual idea of how it'd work out in practice.
mircea_popescu: so it can directly be dismissed if one's inclined to dismiss on such grounds.
ascii_field: anyway this would be more interesting if 'homomorphic crypto' weren't a sc4m
ascii_field: (see also, for similar lulz, 'whitebox cryptography')
assbot: White Box Cryptography | Software Monetization Solutions | SafeNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1JU29p5 )
mircea_popescu: anyway, icesomething or the other is making a pretty penny out of obfuscating and bytecoding php
mircea_popescu: or was, at some point
ascii_field: understand the (claimed!) difference
ascii_field: protocol vs promise (tm)
mircea_popescu: "Fourthly, the tea should be strong. For a pot holding a quart, if you are going to fill it nearly to the brim, six heaped teaspoons would be about right."
mircea_popescu: holy shit, the brits actually ate tea stu ?!
mats: pronto> https://github.com/Uberroot/tsteg-poc << 'A steganography PoC demonstrating encoding via transmission delays'
assbot: Uberroot/tsteg-poc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1JU2Yyh )
mats: pronto's a fella on freenode.
mats: (poor copy+paste on my part)
mircea_popescu: one of the best places for stego i can think of.
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mats: in the parlance, 'HARES' is not so much as a 'crypter' than a 'packer'.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mats: i read the paper. it's a crock of shit. why does this fella assume that no one can run his process under cycle-accurate emulation ?
ascii_field: plenty of talk of 'protecting the key: erase from caches' etc
mats: ask him. or i can do so on your behalf. he's on freenode
mats: 'sirnarwhal'
ascii_field: i'm not mpoe-pr and don't engage with sc4mz0rz recreationally
ascii_field: but i do earn a living demolishing idiocy quite like what was described, yes.
ascii_field: (not publicly, because - why?)
mats: do you have a link to a paper to what was mentioned here http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1235493 ? having a hard time with the googles
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 02:18:54; asciilifeform: mats: iirc inria had a cycle-and-cache-accurate x86 emulator. might be up your alley.
ascii_field: it wasn't a paper, but a downloadable source thing
assbot: Marss86 ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaF0jk )
mats: ok
ascii_field has not tried personally
ascii_field: the gold standard for this kind of work is instrumented hardware
ascii_field: but this costs.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236222 << not a bad way to transmit ephemeral (session) keys
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 17:54:13; mircea_popescu: one of the best places for stego i can think of.
mats: ascii_field: he asserts that 'massr86' uses a VMM, which would be detected
ascii_field: not according to the docs
ascii_field: claims proper (100% userland) emu
ascii_field: sorta like the uniquitous qemu
ascii_field: but i have not tried it. no need.
mats: guy's not a scammer as far as i can tell, and you do a disservice to folks (and yourself) by coming to judgment so quickly
ascii_field: seems like he's already told one lie
ascii_field: according to the docs, thing is built on qemu. with none of the 'accelarator' crud that used kernel mods.
ascii_field: ergo, no vmm.
ascii_field: but, again, this is a cheapo 90% solution for poor folks.
mats: wasn't telling a lie, merely made a mistake
ascii_field: (typically malware folks try to detect emulators by looking for well-known imperfections - if operator is an idiot, these will be found - or for external time base, which can set off a trap if machine appears to be uncommonly slow by wall clock time.)
ascii_field: but all of this is well-known.
ascii_field: the thing about the 'hares' fella is that he is a textbook case of 'but terrorists wouldn't DO that!!111'
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:27; asciilifeform: one of my first job interviews out of uni. telephone. a fellow from one of the giant gov. contractors was really intrigued that i know x86 asm., have reversed crud for money. i ask him 'what's the job'. he: automated reversing. me: of what. he: ever hear of karatsuba's algo? me: sure. bignum mult. him: well, we wanna find encryption softs on terrorist drives!
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2014 03:00:53; asciilifeform: me: why would terrorist run ms-win. he: they will always, trust me.
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punkman: ascii_field: but they do run windows
ascii_field: punkman: the goat-fucking ones - sure
punkman: ascii_field, someone has to pick the low hanging fruit, no?
trinque: punkman: why pick anything but?
mats: i'm rapidly tiring of being a relay, but: he says that intel's 'trusted execution technology' wouldn't work with marss86, and you'd also have to have the key to provision marss
ascii_field: aha so relies on fritz chip.
punkman: works on AMD as well right?
ascii_field: which there is no mention of in the paper.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
mats: so there's no attack here.
punkman: http://blog.jacobtorrey.com/hares-faq he does acknowledge both instrumented hardware and emulation as problems
assbot: Jacob Torrey - HARES FAQ ... ( http://bit.ly/1NaIaDI )
ascii_field: boils down to the hardness of the fritz chip (and yes, i will keep calling it that, because the motherfuckers don't get to pretend that fritz, palladium, etc. never happened.)
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ascii_field: generally, folks who are obsessed with 'someone may steal my magic algo!!111!!!!' ship the whole shebang on fpga with config in sram, backed with watch battery;
ascii_field: and this is often gnarly and expensive to reverse, because it's on fpga, yes, and might need 500 units to destroy
ascii_field: but the saving grace is that in 100% of such cases, the 'intellectual propertyyyyy!111!' holder is a twerp, and cheaper to give one of his employees a candy bar
assbot: Logged on 06-03-2015 00:52:21; mircea_popescu: here's the long and the short of this story : you got two whores, just like in the chemistry and agriculture story. one's whomint, the other's slutmint. you gotta fuck either one or the other. they both have very specific, life altering constraints.
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 19:30:01; ascii_field: which there is no mention of in the paper.
ascii_field: ty mats, found it
ascii_field: aha, then relies 100% on fritz chip.
ascii_field: i never understood how anyone could ever be so gullible as to believe that 'remote attestation chip' could be a thing
ascii_field: let's say it sits on the bus and refuses to decrypt magic blob unless it thinks hash(ram) == H
mats: he is quite clear about what it can and can't do, no dishonesty as far as i can tell
ascii_field: what's to keep me from sitting it down on one bus where ram hashes to H, then it spits key, and i sit it back down on another.
ascii_field: every other clock cycle if i want.
ascii_field: the best scam is the kind where the scammitude is implicit
ascii_field: and baked into an orchestra of 'no one could have foreseen's
ascii_field: and 't3rror1sts would never do!!! x'-es
ascii_field: incidentally, the only reason fritz chip was not pushed more aggressively is that it was really intended to prohibit linux
ascii_field: but the latter succumbed to its own weight
ascii_field: and so the bullet was deemed unnecessary
ascii_field: fwiw, i always thought the idea of a copyprotection dongle that tries to take over the whole machine was quite lulzy.
ascii_field: i mean, it's one thing to consider a whole computer in a safe which sets off built-in nuke if anyone so much as scratches the door
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ascii_field: it's quite another to propose that this can be a little pc peripheral turd that i can get 10,000 of and somehow still not crack
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19300 @ 0.00061099 = 11.7921 BTC [+]
jurov: davout, x.eur liquidity
jurov: not that i complain.. needed some fiat :D
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19899 @ 0.00061257 = 12.1895 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: <mats> wasn't telling a lie, merely made a mistake <<< it's a very interesting point as to how do you establish this ?
mircea_popescu: not even necessary in the case at hand, but as a general rule.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 10-02-2015 03:25:08; mircea_popescu: this is like asking wyatt earp "how do you distinguish between the f brothers and stray dog"
mircea_popescu: <mats> i'm rapidly tiring of being a relay << why's the guy not come over anyway ? well... i guess the answer's actually obvious huh. nm.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field it's still an interesting problem, even if not necessarily of practical consequence.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like the interesting problem of "detecting emulator"
ascii_field: sure is.
mircea_popescu: it can readily be shown riguroulsy that this is impossible iun the general case
mircea_popescu: nevertheless...
mircea_popescu: a good steak is also impossible i nthe general case.
ascii_field: kinda one of the reasons wot is a thing
ascii_field: for answers to questions that don't have rigorous answers, but must be answered.
ascii_field: !gettrust sirnarwhal
assbot: ascii_field and sirnarwhal are not registered in WoT.
asciilifeform: !gettrust sirnarwhal
assbot: sirnarwhal is not registered in WoT.
ascii_field: aaand we answered it.
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> boils down to the hardness of the fritz chip << the reason they don't call it that is because they are trying to avoid the literature documenting the costs of making it hard and the limitation its softness imposes.
ascii_field: see log, also, for why the approach where the whole computer is not inside the fritz is laughable on its face
ascii_field: (regardless of what the fritz is made of)
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field incidentally, it's funny to consider the relations between "remote attestation" and hock or w/e the thing was called
ascii_field: no direct relation afaik
ascii_field: mr mold doesn't do hardware
ascii_field: (i asked him)
mircea_popescu: but it does rely on "outside primitives" right ?
ascii_field: (for n00bz: 'remote attestation' is this crackpot concept where usg has permanent root (yes) on 'your' computer, and uses it to verify that you aren't, e.g., running illegal linux)
mircea_popescu: not sure how to best convey this as the guy's terminology is a sort of pigdin latin numerals.
mircea_popescu: very poor.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: relies on an interpreter he wrote in c
mircea_popescu: nevertheless : he has this idea that you can nono.
mircea_popescu: i mean the wtf he called them
mircea_popescu: the turbines
mircea_popescu: so : those could as well be the remote part of a fritz chip
mircea_popescu: in a sense they always are : they verify at the minimum that math is homogenous in the universe.
mircea_popescu: (an untested assumption i might add)
ascii_field: a falling brick does that.
mircea_popescu: quite so.
mircea_popescu: or pulsar, as the case may be, same principle.
ascii_field: actually an electron in free space brings in most of known maths
mircea_popescu: enough to prima facie anyway
assbot: Lenovo G50-80 dialog box - Ars Technica OpenForum ... ( http://bit.ly/1JduFTZ )
mircea_popescu: "Trusted Platform Module From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia (Redirected from Fritz-chip) Trusted Platform Module (TPM) is an international standard for a secure cryptoprocessor,"
mircea_popescu: international things are better right ?
ascii_field: ;;google NovoSecEngine2
gribble: Lenovo G50-80 dialog box - Ars Technica OpenForum: <http://arstechnica.com/civis/viewtopic.php?p=29497693>; Lenovo is shipping a rootkit in their BIOS...…: <https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp/posts/CbGFCRRAwHY>; Kristian Köhntopp - Google+: <https://plus.google.com/+KristianK%C3%B6hntopp>
ascii_field got ~5 results
ascii_field: evidently 'this never happened, move along'
ascii_field: oh and Run Moar Winblowz !!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33535 @ 0.00060287 = 20.2172 BTC [-] {2}
ascii_field: 'Before booting windows 7 or 8, the bios checks if C:\Windows\system32\autochk.exe is the Lenovo one or the original Microsoft one. If it is not the lenovo one, it moves it to C:\Windows\system32\0409\zz_sec\autobin.exe, and then writes it's own autochk.exe. During boot, the Lenovo autochk.exe writes a LenovoUpdate.exe and a LenovoCheck.exe file to the system32 directory, and sets up a services to run one of them when an
ascii_field: internet connection is established. I don't know too much exactly what those do, but one appears to phone home to http://download.lenovo.com/ideapad/wind ... 2_oko.json which is a bit worrying with the combination of a "ForceUpdate" parameter shown and the lack of ssl, making it fairly likely that it's exploitable for remote code execution by anyone who can intercept your traffic(public wifi, etc).'
ascii_field: ^ lulzy, quoted for the record.
ascii_field: btw this is precisely how the well-known 'computrace' works.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: moar gold:
ascii_field: 'nstead, a file called "wpbbin.exe" was placed in C:\windows\system32 and executed. That turns out to be a method Microsoft introduced with Windows 8 to allow the BIOS to execute code on boot up (!?!) called "Windows Platform Binary Table (WPBT)". I can find almost NOTHING about this anywhere on the internet except a single document on Microsoft's website (link to the Google Cache since it's a .docx file) and in a random
ascii_field: Chinese forum (in Chinese, which I can't read, but it seemed to be about Lenovo). In the end it did the exact same thing that the autochk.exe method (under Windows 7) does (loads LenovoUpdate.exe, installs a service, etc), except you get a cryptic entry in your System Log: "A platform binary was successfully executed."'
Adlai: derp
mircea_popescu: The books that I have counted and priced are the ones I have here, in my flat. I have about an equal number stored in another place, so that I shall double the final figure in order to arrive at the complete amount. I have not counted oddments such as proof copies, defaced volumes, cheap paper-covered editions, pamphlets, or magazines, unless bound up into book form. Nor have I counted the kind of junky books-old schoo
mircea_popescu: l text-books and so forth–that accumulate in the bottoms of cupboards. I have counted only those books which I have acquired voluntarily, or else would have acquired voluntarily, and which I intend to keep. In this category I find that I have 442 books, acquired in the following ways:
mircea_popescu: holy shit.
mircea_popescu: i owned > 10k volumes before getting rid of the lot, as a 20yo man.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck "i own 442 books" what is this!
ascii_field: in those days, they cost money
mircea_popescu: they cost money in all days.
ascii_field: today even a schmuck like me has tens of thou
mircea_popescu: quote : "You don't suppose we read that stuff, do you? Why, half the time you're talking about books that cost twelve and sixpence!"
mircea_popescu: twelve and sixpence is about 20 dollars in today's money.
Adlai: dunno, growing up in an apartment full of books is kinda good
Adlai: but i guess you're not growing up a kid
ascii_field: aha my father had pretty much no exposed wall at all
ascii_field: just book
ascii_field: wall-to-wall.
Adlai: ed zackary
mircea_popescu: how ELSE are you going to furnish a house ?
Adlai: pianos1
mircea_popescu: it's not like it's blue collar shelter.
Adlai: s/1/!/
mircea_popescu sadly never thought to take pictures of the thing itself, all he has is various nude girlies in front of bookwalls.
ascii_field: i have more or less solid wall-to-wall now.
Adlai: but a single piano is more expensive than most book collections
mircea_popescu: oddly enough, more interested in the books than in the girls, coupla decades later.
mircea_popescu: Adlai a good one, easily.
Adlai: what's odd about that
Adlai: s/what/nothing/
Adlai: a good piano is worth its weight in divorce lawyers
mircea_popescu: anyway, the "biblioteca de arta" collection was easily 500 volumes. it mostly dealt with cultural anthropology, aesthetics and such. tiny fraction of a fucking library seriously
mircea_popescu: Adlai at the time it seemed the other way.
assbot: Quote by Leo Tolstoy : “All happy families are alike; each unhappy fami...” ... ( http://bit.ly/1UDxM9I )
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 22:21:02; asciilifeform: those aren't naggum's books!
Adlai: ultimately sentiment trumps
Adlai: yeah but naggum was dead
Adlai: and couldn'tc speak for which books were his, and which weren't
ascii_field: (old thread, re: when i discovered that some derp posted a fake (!) 'naggum's books' list in place of real one)
Adlai: divorce is generally a much more lively affair, due to involvement of the living
ascii_field: the original was posted shortly after his death. i have a copy.
mircea_popescu: "Twenty-five pounds a year sounds quite a lot until you begin to measure it against other kinds of expenditure. It is nearly 9s. 9d. a week, and at present 9s. 9d. is the equivalent of about 83 cigarettes (Players): even before the war it would have bought you less than 200 cigarettes. With prices as they now are, I am spending far more on tobacco than I do on books. I smoke six ounces a week, at half-a-crown an ounce,
mircea_popescu: making nearly £40 a year. Even before the war when the same tobacco cost 8d. an ounce, I was spending over £10 a year on it"
mircea_popescu: there you have it.
mircea_popescu: i don't think i smoked enough to pay for a decent book in those tobacco prices.
Adlai: you smoked!?
Adlai sells all his S.MPOE
mircea_popescu: i still do, on occasion.
Adlai: !up ascii_field
Adlai: fyi smoke is carcinogenic
mircea_popescu: but i doubt i actually went through a pound yet.
mircea_popescu: much lagging behind his half pound weekly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27200 @ 0.00059839 = 16.2762 BTC [-]
Adlai: why smoke
Adlai: flowers are too beautiful to burn
Adlai: and burning leaves is just... heathen
mircea_popescu: what do you do with leaves, eat them ?
assbot: Ott - Fan Question: Do you currently smoke weed? And how often? ... ( http://bit.ly/1UDynYZ )
Adlai quotes the answer, for logs: "Nope. Smoking is foolish in an age when vapourising technology is so evolved and readily available."
mats: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=12-08-2015#1236307 << context, of course. in this particular case, he addressed the issue of VMM being detected by the loader as indicated in s4.3.4
assbot: Logged on 12-08-2015 21:09:46; mircea_popescu: <mats> wasn't telling a lie, merely made a mistake <<< it's a very interesting point as to how do you establish this ?
Adlai: "i don't think i smoked enough to pay for a decent book" << as though books are priced by content and not... who knows
mircea_popescu: "I have said enough to show that reading is one of the cheaper recreations: after listening to the radio probably THE cheapest."
mircea_popescu: then he wonders why it went to shit.
mircea_popescu: no human activity ever survived and very few have recovered from the mass of people taking an interest.
mircea_popescu: and the mass of people take an interest once the poor activity becomes the cheapest in a class.
Adlai: last price i heard quoted for books was "50% of the price you bought'em, if they came from this shop"
mircea_popescu: "Meanwhile, what is the actual amount that the British public spends on books? I cannot discover any figures, though no doubt they exist. But I do know that before the war this country was publishing annually about 15,000 books, which included reprints and school books. If as many as 10,000 copies of each book were sold–and even allowing for the school books, this is probably a high estimate-the average person was on
mircea_popescu: ly buying, directly or indirectly, about three books a year. These three books taken together might cost £1, or probably less."
Adlai: why reprint books
Adlai: there is literally zero need for that
Adlai: plenty of excellent books ROT on shelves
mircea_popescu: how else are you going to read the old ones ?
Adlai: pay the bag^H^Hookholders a little premium
mircea_popescu: if i ever want to buy a bible, i do not wish to buy a soggy dog eared piece of composted toilet paper ensmeared with the biological refuse of five generations of idiots of the sort that'd misread a bible.
Adlai: well that's why book buying needs a wot just as much as pretty much anything else
Adlai: you think i throw my books out the window? no, they go to trusted friends
Adlai: (go, not "are lent to")
mircea_popescu: women, also ?
assbot: Never Lend Books - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Ml1AoD )
Adlai: women should be neither sold nor lent...
mircea_popescu makes note : jews don't keep lent.
mircea_popescu: (and besides, you said yourself : go, not "are lent to")
Adlai: fwiw fasting is an excellent ritual
Adlai: but typically gets grossly mismanaged
Adlai is just trying to get more noobs on https://online-go.com/play
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field i submit to you that no, not "books cost money". people were just stupider a century ago. quoth http://gutenberg.net.au/ebooks03/0300011h.html#part37 :
assbot: Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( http://bit.ly/1UDzJTv )
mircea_popescu: "Three of these books deal with subjects of which he is so ignorant that he will have to read at least 50 pages if he is to avoid making some howler which will betray him not merely to the author (who of course knows all about the habits of book reviewers), but even to the general reader. "
mircea_popescu: i beg your pardon ? i read 50 pages in half hour.
mircea_popescu: i read a million words a day, and have been reading a million words a day each day for years straight.
mircea_popescu: what the fuck already, 50 pages ?
Adlai calls bullshit
Adlai: 'skim' /= 'read'
Adlai: yarl.
mircea_popescu: read the piece, tell me anything but skim is contemplated.
Adlai reserves the right to have called bullshit on orwell rather than our lord mircea
mircea_popescu: then do the math on what 1-2k lines of daily log mean, in words.
mircea_popescu: the last time i encountered humans that balked for hours at reading "at least 50 pages" i was in jr high and the humans in question where the losers in the class.
Adlai: dunno man i'm still working my way through GEB
mircea_popescu: they couldn't get into the highschools, so prepuberty is the last time we met at the table.
Adlai: skimming huge chunks, sure, but there are also interesting bits
mircea_popescu: Adlai the egptyan god ?
Adlai: assbot: pls to archive.is
Adlai waits
mircea_popescu: the golden braid thing ?
mircea_popescu: my mother got into an episode with that thing once.
Adlai: episode, of what kind?
mircea_popescu: you know, like noob lsd takers ?
ascii_field: mega-b00k
ascii_field: prolly the one i'd like to take to my oubliette
ascii_field: (if they gave books there)
Adlai: aha it has the staniseal of approval
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i think they give books more in line with "tehnologia navigatiei cu vele"
Adlai: ascii_field: iiuc sfine, as long as you "declare the pennies on your eyes"
mircea_popescu: (commie romania had weirdo "to buy x you must also buy y" quota system to prop up the central economy. that particular book was outrageous in a country nobodyu owned as much as a raft, let alone yachts. so it became symbolic)
Adlai: :(
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Adlai: helloe mpoe
Adlai: lsd is kinda like bitcoin
Adlai: you don't know what'll happen, but you know it'll be interesting
mircea_popescu: "The great majority of reviews give an inadequate or misleading account of the book that is dealt with. Since the war publishers have been less able than before to twist the tails of literary editors and evoke a paean of praise for every book that they produce, but on the other hand the standard of reviewing has gone down owing to lack of space and other inconveniences. Seeing the results, people sometimes suggest that
mircea_popescu: the solution lies in getting book reviewing out of the hands of hacks. Books on specialised subjects ought to be dealt with by experts, and on the other hand a good deal of reviewing, especially of novels, might well be done by amateurs. Nearly every book is capable of arousing passionate feeling, if it is only a passionate dislike, in some or other reader, whose ideas about it would surely be worth more than those of
mircea_popescu: a bored professional. But, unfortunately, as every editor knows, that kind of thing is very difficult to organise. In practice the editor always finds himself reverting to his team of hacks–his "regulars", as he calls them."
mircea_popescu: meanwhile they organised it alright
mircea_popescu: it still doesn't work.
Adlai: who organized what
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Adlai: oh helloe mpoe
mircea_popescu: "the editors" organized "on the other hand a good deal of reviewing, especially of novels, might well be done by amateurs. Nearly every book is capable of arousing passionate feeling, if it is only a passionate dislike, in some or other reader, whose ideas about it would surely be worth more than those of a bored professional"
mircea_popescu: except it turns out that passion only seemed valuable because so rarely encountered from the sort of women these people hung out with (ie, carefully not whores)
mircea_popescu: and so they imagined it's a panacea. which it definitely is not.
mircea_popescu: passion's as good as whoever puts it forth, which means that with most people it has the consistency of puss and the aroma of old faces.
Adlai: obviously someboderp with passionate dislike will write a more impassioned review than one with mildly apathatic approval
mircea_popescu: which will be a worse read.
Adlai: upon this principle have been built many subbreddits
Adlai: or as they're called these days, "verses"
Adlai: or is it "subverses"
Adlai got a ping and goes to check on the kids
mircea_popescu: "It is Sunday afternoon, preferably before the war. The wife is already asleep in the armchair, and the children have been sent out for a nice long walk. You put your feet up on the sofa, settle your spectacles on your nose, and open the NEWS OF THE WORLD. Roast beef and Yorkshire, or roast pork and apple sauce, followed up by suet pudding and driven home, as it were, by a cup of mahogany-brown tea, have put you in jus
mircea_popescu: t the right mood. Your pipe is drawing sweetly, the sofa cushions are soft underneath you, the fire is well alight, the air is warm and stagnant. In these blissful circumstances, what is it that you want to read about?"
mircea_popescu: see ? of course they'd think passion's the answer.
Adlai: well reading a review for lolzvalue is /= to reading a review for wotrating value
Adlai spends tons of time on leddit, because "laughter is the best medicine"
mircea_popescu: you ever looked at the voat thing ?
Adlai: as in, loaded it in a browser, yes
Adlai: not much beyond
punkman: life's too short for reading what reddit derps think
Adlai is rapidly itching to get his github streak going again
mircea_popescu: was gonna ask if it's different any
punkman: mircea_popescu: why would it be
Adlai: as my unfamous friend is apt to say, "same shit -- diffrent day"
mircea_popescu: just curious, nothing much past that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33912 @ 0.00062218 = 21.0994 BTC [+]
Adlai: they've copied the mechanics, and leached the self-identified "edgiest" parts of the community
mats: fun fact: ru cosmonauts have used the time it takes spit to freeze on insulation as a way to measure temperature
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29550 @ 0.00062272 = 18.4014 BTC [+]
Adlai: well that only measures temp at the point the spit hits
Adlai: you'd have to spit all over everywhere to get useful weather data
phf: Adlai: does that secp256k1 implementation you have in your github works?
Adlai: phf: works for whats?
Adlai: ;;gettrust phf
phf: for doing ecdsa
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user Adlai to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=Adlai&dest=phf | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=phf | Rated since: Thu Jan 2 22:27:02 2014
Adlai: !gettrust phf
assbot: Trust relationship from user Adlai to user phf: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. |http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/trust/?from=Adlai&to=phf | http://www.btcalpha.com/wot/user/phf/
Adlai rewrote secp256k1.lisp, but ecdsa invovles more than a mere ec group api
phf: Adlai: i'm trying to decide if i want to get working OP_CHECKSIG first by blindly using someone else's code or ffi'ing to openssl; or write a first approximation of ECDSA myself. will probably offset me by a week
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15576 @ 0.00062804 = 9.7824 BTC [+] {2}
phf: i see
Adlai: it really depends what your objectives are... if you're learning without immediate product deadlines, i strongly recommend rabid NIH celebrations
Adlai: but if you need to produce results: cannibalize, with extreme prejudice
phf: fair, i'm itching to validate blocks, but it'll have to wait
Adlai: fwiw, i'm using https://github.com/adlai/cjhunt/blob/master/src/hunt.lisp#L13 much more than secp256k1.lisp
assbot: cjhunt/hunt.lisp at master · adlai/cjhunt · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1NbeAxV )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4824 @ 0.00062538 = 3.0168 BTC [-]
phf: understood, you have a different objective though
Adlai: so just to lay this to rest: i only rewrote the EC group function. ECDSA requires hashing and proper combination of EC group functions, which has not yet been verified. tl;dr: don't use my code
mircea_popescu: phf so you're not getting eulora mushrooms because you're writing bitcoin in lisp ?
assbot: Fifty Orwell Essays ... ( http://bit.ly/1Nbhfrf )
Adlai: worse yet, he's stuck in my sandtrap
phf: mircea_popescu: that would be a very ungenerous way of looking at it
mircea_popescu: i am known for my kindly, generous, charitable disposition
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10150 @ 0.00062617 = 6.3556 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: on account of it being so rare.
mircea_popescu: "Capitalism is disappearing, but Socialism is not replacing it. What is now arising is a new kind of planned, centralised society which will be neither capitalist nor, in any accepted sense of the word, democratic. The rulers of this new society will be the people who effectively control the means of production: that is, business executives, technicians, bureaucrats and soldiers, lumped together by Burnham, under the n
mircea_popescu: ame of "managers". These people will eliminate the old capitalist class, crush the working class, and so organise society that all power and economic privilege remain in their own hands. Private property rights will be abolished, but common ownership will not be established. The new "managerial" societies will not consist of a patchwork of small, independent states, but of great super-states grouped round the main indu
mircea_popescu: strial centres in Europe, Asia, and America. These super-states will fight among themselves for possession of the remaining uncaptured portions of the earth, but will probably be unable to conquer one another completely. Internally, each society will be hierarchical, with an aristocracy of talent at the top and a mass of semi-slaves at the bottom."
Adlai: so... oligarchy?
Adlai: of the management class
mircea_popescu: so today. with the reddit of out of work waitresses and musicants
mircea_popescu: and the ba of... ba.
mircea_popescu: (the above was a prediction in 1946)
mats: mmm, my mpex trading balance is nao up ~250% since march
mats: many thanks to mp and jurov
Adlai is just glad to be out of hiatus
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37950 @ 0.00062369 = 23.669 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: hookers and blow time ?
mats: nah. i'm just less poor. maybe i'll buy a pair of pants.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: one hundred percent of orwell, afaik, is on the net
kakobrekla: mats run a pc for mpif?
kakobrekla: or is that Adlais plan now :)
mircea_popescu: yeah but on what.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and did they really have folks buy hofstadter's 'geb' as part of some spamatron!!?!!
kakobrekla: on what he is making butcoin now, mpoe ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13399 @ 0.00060189 = 8.0647 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: or wait, 'navigation by sail'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform mind that these anecdotes in no way diminish the book
Adlai: kakobrekla: i'm still waiting on the bit4x api
Adlai: ;_;
mircea_popescu: ahaha hey... that'd be pretty epic. have TWO pcs on that thing.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla where is it!
kakobrekla: wait whut, im saying mats / Adlai should run a pc on mpoe
Adlai likes it, scalpl was always intended to be an interactive tool anyways
mats: isn't TAT running a pc on mpoe? or is that done with?
Adlai: isn't TAT running?
kakobrekla: tat running? maybe from us.
Adlai: yes that kind of runnings
mircea_popescu: "Lenin, indeed, is one of those politicians who win an undeserved reputation by dying prematurely."
mircea_popescu: bwahahaha
Adlai: jfk
mircea_popescu: peron too
Adlai: yoni netanyahu, although not quite a politician
Adlai: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yonatan_Netanyahu "His younger brother, Benjamin Netanyahu, is the current Prime Minister of Israel."
assbot: Yonatan Netanyahu - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1JUMXba )
mircea_popescu: jesus, the mother of the series.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22400 @ 0.00062966 = 14.1044 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: As late as the autumn of 1945, a Gallup poll taken among the American troops in Germany showed that 51 percent "thought Hitler did much good before 1939". This was after five years of anti-Hitler propaganda.
asciilifeform: ahahaha.
thestringpuller: lizard hitler 2016
mats: so wait - if TAT took off, who is running PC5?
mats: jurov?
mircea_popescu: jurov yes. tat never ran a pc ?
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ran one but it was liquidated properly.
mats: oh ok. i recall tat being offered pc5 but i see now he did not accept
mircea_popescu: http://dpaste.com/25PZKC1 < if anyone somehow cares, re phuctor and rsa exponents. since my comment is still unapproved a day later.
assbot: dpaste: 25PZKC1 ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiqUqQ )
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why i keep engaging random nobodies online, but hey.
BingoBoingo: Oh, a Double trigger warning on Reddit https://archive.is/fs1J5
assbot: [DOUBLE TRIGGER WARNING]- Swolshamed by my Swolemaiden and other Iron Path Patron in the same day! : swoleacceptance ... ( http://bit.ly/1KiqYXy )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l! where was this
assbot: Choose your own exponents in RSA? | Question and Answer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kir3dM )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's a straight rip off 'stack exchange'
mircea_popescu: one'd expect better managed than this.
mircea_popescu: somehow innovative derps lifting stuff manage to effectually squander the scant opportunities their good fate and their betters' peculiarities afford.
assbot: Choose your own exponents in RSA? - Information Security Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kir7KP )
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^
asciilifeform: and i meant, 'straight rip'
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha mkay, never saw that
mircea_popescu: guess joke's on me.
asciilifeform: prolly why nobody answered.
mats: Does a different, larger exponent increase the work effort required for an attacker? Does it increase the work effort required for legitimate uses? << a bigger exponent increases computational time
assbot: random - Offline RSA strong prime test similar to Phuctor? - Information Security Stack Exchange ... ( http://bit.ly/1JURgDy )
mircea_popescu: mats not on correctly implemented rsa.
asciilifeform: it does.
mircea_popescu: why would it ?
asciilifeform: but not in a way that a legit user would give half a fuck about
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for each bit set in exponent, you end up doing a round in chinese remainder iirc
mircea_popescu: if the implementation allows me to discover stuff about the exponent through timing the thing, it's broken
mircea_popescu: you do all the rounds for your platforms maxint ANYWAY
asciilifeform: proper implementations (e.g. mine) are fixed-time.
asciilifeform: this is not hard.
asciilifeform: but abstractly, more work for machine given a longer public exponent
asciilifeform: (which enemy already knows)
mircea_popescu: machine doesn't care.
asciilifeform: enciphering too.
mircea_popescu: and enemy doesn't need to know that much
asciilifeform: and no, nobody cares.
mircea_popescu is rather nonplussed at how social media in its "experts exchange" format has given rise to what amounts to a distributed network of "experts" recruited from among the highschool "metalworkers" as they were called
mircea_popescu: those insufferable kids that can't think so they try to compensate by "Working hard"
mircea_popescu: endless parrotting of uncomprehended, mechanically learned pseudoscience and assorted factoidal half truths for the daily dose of congratulatory popcorn from the poor teacher.
asciilifeform: Expert Sexchange !!11
mircea_popescu: all the intellectual curiosity of "will this be on the exam"
mircea_popescu: and all the personal bravure of "but the teacher said!"
asciilifeform: american education ftw
mircea_popescu: nah, it was deeply soviet
asciilifeform: confucian, really
mircea_popescu: it is the true calling of "universal" education.
mircea_popescu: makes bureaucrats. as intended.
asciilifeform: how else.
asciilifeform: mandarins.
mircea_popescu: mandamyfoot.
asciilifeform: no, really. almost complete with the mandatory balls-in-a-jar token of office
mircea_popescu has for many years now meditated on this point, but i do not think i loathe or despise any class more than the bureaucrat. i have no problem hanging out with convicted murderes, wanton rapists, the insane, dying men or women, and probably aliens
mircea_popescu: but i can't breathe the air in the same room with these.
asciilifeform: funny how one can smell'em even without air!
mircea_popescu: i can hear them think.
asciilifeform: they could be light-years away, but unmistakeable stink
asciilifeform: how many photons does one need, wonder, to transmit it.
mircea_popescu: i think it's just one photon
mircea_popescu: for the lot
mircea_popescu: but mishapen
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asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo have you ever tried to run an apple 'powerbook wallstreet' with an ssd ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: High on the wanted list
BingoBoingo: 'Wallstreet' seems like the pinacle of apple portables.
BingoBoingo: May have regular fiat income coming in soon. If it works out higher priority is those couple mac minis for cheap colo to stand up some industrial nodes.
mircea_popescu: o hey BingoBoingo where've you been!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Studying the ways of the fiat job interview. And sleeping.
mircea_popescu: good for you.
mircea_popescu: got anything ?
BingoBoingo: Two on Monday in the same building for the same job classification, but different departments.
BingoBoingo: Income would be modest but local apartments offer still more modest prices.
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: nah, that was 'pismo'
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: But does anyone ever sell their pismo?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: me, if i can't get the bugger reading ssd!
asciilifeform: (which srsly cost 2x what that old boat anchor of a machine did!)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: From what I understand Pismo has finicky drive controller. Must use drive from whitelist.
BingoBoingo: What whitelist? Exists in lore of trial and error. ATA 100 right out.
BingoBoingo: ATA 66 or 133, Maybe?
BingoBoingo: From the inclusion of a TPM, the ThinkPad was lost sort of shit here.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: mno. this drive works at all ata speeds (tested) and still won't boot the box
assbot: MacOPINION : Charles Moore | Hotrodding The Pismo Phase Two: Faster Hard Drive ... ( http://bit.ly/1KisDMX )
BingoBoingo: Problem is on motherboard
BingoBoingo: It isn't that the interface works at some speeds and not others. It is that it only works at some speeds and at those speeds only with some drives.
BingoBoingo: And all of those people who complained and tested seemed to do so before the consumer SSD revolution
asciilifeform: again, the fact that it does not mount the drive is obvious experimentally. but the given hypothesis does not follow
asciilifeform: the ssd in question happily runs at 66 and even 33, and negotiates this speed with test box running adult os
BingoBoingo: Discerning the exact problem likely requires a time machine, a baseball bat, and a trip to Cupertino or Mumbai
mats: i chatted up a cutie at the farmers market today
mats: i think she was coming back to talk to me but then decided not to when i didn't notice her at the periphery of my vision
mats: i was looking at a buncha nice summer squash and it barely registered that someone was facing me for five seconds
mats: worth it, that squash is dericious
mats: pricy shit at the market though, i spent ~20 on six linked sausages weighing 2lbs total
mats: i told a friend these events in exactly the same order as irc and she told me i'm gay :(
trinque: haha
BingoBoingo: mats: What kind of summer squash?
mats: the label at the stand said 'golden striped squash' i believe
phf: is it green with yellow stripes?
mats: no its yellow with green stripes
BingoBoingo: Ah mats if you find the small white ones, they are especially delicious. Save a couple for seeds though. It was $2.50 for six seeds this spring for the pattypan squash. Never have I seen seeds that expensive for a vegetable. Worth it though, just saving them this year.
mats: i will be watchful
trinque: who wants to make small-talk at the grocery store anyway?
phf: i've rarely seen patissons in stores
trinque: sounds terrible; I'd rather pass judgment on squash too
mats: its not my fault she was too shy to ask me for my number
phf: but they come out really nice when pickled
mats: when i see her again i will ask for hers and then make fun of her at dinner
BingoBoingo: mats: On the plus side those things were really productive when they grew. If you have any outdoor space be it a yard or balcony I highly reccomend them.
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mats: i don't, but i've been meaning to try hydroponics anyway
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 62400 @ 0.00059995 = 37.4369 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: hydroponics is for people who want enhanced law enforcement attention. Dirt is fine and very productive.
BingoBoingo: And if you really need access to dirt to garden make friends with old people.
BingoBoingo: The new kinder, gentler Gawker Media. As socialist as ever: https://archive.is/DA55l
assbot: An Expensive Sandwich Should Come With a Side ... ( http://bit.ly/1gBM37G )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44600 @ 0.00060778 = 27.107 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Also note that Gawker/Kinja pages take longer than ever to be processed by archive.is ... Almost as though there is an arms race between archiver and those not wanting to be preserved
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9629 @ 0.00059838 = 5.7618 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26778 @ 0.0006083 = 16.2891 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19538 @ 0.0006083 = 11.885 BTC [+]
assbot: Angry dwarf Ian Salter-Bromley jailed after pretending to be a Dalek in row with police | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1PlXFaY )
BingoBoingo: ^ Truly an hero for our people
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 87580 @ 0.0005965 = 52.2415 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: Thoughts About Michael Hastings ... ( http://bit.ly/1WkAOl4 )
asciilifeform: '"For secret assassination, either simple or chase, the contrived accident is the most effective technique. When successfully executed, it causes little excitement and is only casually investigated."'
trinque: who can even question what happened to him
trinque: poor fella went for a 130mph drive in the middle of the night, I suppose I'm supposed to believe
asciilifeform: and exploded like 'movie car', aha
asciilifeform: by itself.
asciilifeform: in fireball that equals at least half a kilo of trotyl, no less.
trinque: sparks even, as though trying to jam the breaks, iirc
trinque: *brakes
trinque: I remember that happening, and the reality of it sinking in
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 3200 @ 0.00059228 = 1.8953 BTC [-] {2}
trinque: "They're everything they ever claimed they defend against."
asciilifeform: times $maxint.
asciilifeform: 'they' are the single, solitary source of all things even vaguely resembling that which they claim to defend against.
trinque: yep
trinque was about to depart, but couldn't help but comment seeing "Hastings"
trinque: bbl
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