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BingoBoingo: People way off in insanity and people still level 1 insanity might percieve a bond until their insanities collide
mircea_popescu: the only vaguely concerning point was that i thought hilary's presidency a foregone conclusion since about i dunno, 2008 or so.
mircea_popescu: but shit like this don't bode well.
mircea_popescu: senator hurrdurr (who really seems an exact mirror image of ron paul in left colorings) is certainly out of the question, but omfg don't tell me trump takes over and does a postmodern rendition of reagan
pete_dushenski: if anything can upset that woman's dreams, it's the donald
BingoBoingo: The race right now is fucked. The left press called Rubio the winner of the first GOP debate before any poll numbers and Rubio close to platonically stupid.
pete_dushenski: if u.s. politics is a tv game show, which it so often seems to be, how could trump (or someone equally outrageous) lose ?
mircea_popescu: you know, romanian "press" and "social media" got very much similarly humiliated in 2008 when a romanian sort of donalt trump trampled all over their girlbits.
mircea_popescu: it was kinda the point it became obvious the alt-planet lost the battle, there.
mircea_popescu: and it was beautiful, five years of 10-20% shrinkage in "advertising spending" were followed by a 80% and two 50%s.
mircea_popescu: to the point 100s of romanian taylor swifts got recently arrested for prostitution (they were doing it for 1-200 euros, rate price)
mircea_popescu: (rate price means i wouldn't pay 50% of that in any case)
assbot: NIST Releases SHA-3 Cryptographic Hash Standard ... ( )
assbot: Marco Rubio On Rap Music - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: on the detection of quantum insert ... ( )
pete_dushenski: mats: who in their right fucking mind would trust the latest nist 'standard'
mircea_popescu: "It’s also possible I failed to attract the right visitors. This is only a one man show, and I can only churn out so much linkbait, even for the sake of science."
mats: nobody asked you to trust nist
pete_dushenski: mats: eh i wasn't being personal, speaking generally here
assbot: 38 results for 'nist' :
mircea_popescu: the one possibility of interest he neglects is "sane people use the browser as a strictly stateless device. to them it makes absolutely no difference."
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski mats is on a hunt for cultism in the cult, and you stepped on his detector.
pete_dushenski: *kaboom*
mircea_popescu: is it annoying btw mats ?
mats: sha3 was created in an open process like rijndael
asciilifeform: ahahahahahaha
mircea_popescu: can you define "open process" ?
asciilifeform: open, l0l, aha
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: me think cazalla is on a similar hunt ?
mircea_popescu: doubt it.
asciilifeform: it works like this: folks mail in suggestions (naturally only incestuous academitards from nato countries considered! no untermenschem plz!)
pete_dushenski: me grog.
asciilifeform: and nsa picks the ones it likes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform technically, it's open.
asciilifeform: *untermenschen
asciilifeform: open to aryans.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: ya, i dun seriously think so either.
mircea_popescu: reddit notably also publishes through an open process.
mircea_popescu: also like rijndael
mircea_popescu: rijnddit.
asciilifeform: phun phakt: the 'dae' is a chick
mats: there are publications detailing the selection process, Chang et. al
asciilifeform: or hm, misremembere
asciilifeform: that was another, forgotten algo
asciilifeform: mats: the selection-for-suitability-for-top-secret process is not public.
asciilifeform: i don't give a flying fuck about the window dressing one.
asciilifeform: the reason why all usg keys are generated at ft. meade and not in the field is also not public.
asciilifeform: unless this - - counts as 'public'
assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name. ... ( )
mircea_popescu: mats seriously, publications detailing the process ?
mircea_popescu: tell you what. unless i can personally break it, it does not meet my definition of "open".
mircea_popescu: that's what open is : something that continues only inasmuch i do not break it.
mircea_popescu: if it can protect itself, it's closed.
mircea_popescu: so yes, my slavegirls are open processes.
mats: as you suggest, open-ness is subject to personal definitions
mircea_popescu: that'd be about it. claims to the contrary are an exercise in directed disingenuity.
mircea_popescu: and there's nothing wrong with it being a closed process, either. other than - don't expect folks whoi aren't politically alligned to give a slightest fuck.
mircea_popescu: not like the us police implements the rules dreamed up byu the supreme soviet of north korea
mircea_popescu: and this without any discussion of the merits. as great as they may be. and without even reading them.
mircea_popescu: because they make very strictly no difference whatsoever.
asciilifeform: it always boggled my mind how anyone could have ever seen 'fips' etc. as representing anything other than 'breakable by usg with reasonable cost'
asciilifeform: (more of an observation re: ciphers than hashes. until recently, usg did not give a rat's arse re: hashes)
BingoBoingo: Related: "I stopped going to school because people were kicking my ass" - Mike Tyson
wilbns: A different take on OBEY art and apparel:
BingoBoingo: If I recall SHA-3 draft FPGA outdates Bitcoin mining FPGA
mats: well, hand-waving aside, "SHA-3 has no known security issues, whereas SHA-1, MD5, and SHA-512 are susceptible to length-extension. SHA-1 and MD5 are vulnerable to collision attacks, which are expensive for SHA-1, but which are cheap and allow chosen-prefixes for MD5."
asciilifeform: md5 long buried, and cement poured over the grave
mircea_popescu: sha 512 length extension was demonstrated ?
asciilifeform: length extension is an operator error thing strictly.
asciilifeform: can be entirely ruled out in a correct design.
wilbns: excerpt: "We are told that the OBEY sign, with or without the GIANT sign, is anti-authoritarian. But is the fact
wilbns: that a lot of young people are wearing shirts with the words OBEY on them—without knowing
wilbns: anything about the artistic, historical, or “anti-propaganda” significance of all this—really anti-
wilbns: authoritarian? Or is it just the excuse to get the word OBEY up everywhere?"
mircea_popescu: directed disingenuity. as per usual.
BingoBoingo though anyways SHA-3 was proposed entirely on the pretense of "speed"
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: aha, like aes.
asciilifeform: it's always 'speed' with these folk
asciilifeform: (except when not)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That. Or like Elliptic curve in lieu of RSA
BingoBoingo: "less bits moar fast"
mircea_popescu: less bats moar fist.
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> less bats moar fist. << But dat leverage the bat offers
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 265.71, vol: 10109.50102694 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 259.7, vol: 4667.24404 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 266.92, vol: 10902.84743969 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 274.99, vol: 24.41692709 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 262.945802, vol: 13619.38950000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 263.0, vol: 38.83709689 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 273.291947449, vol: 71.54484674 | Volume-weighted last average: (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: ;;more
gribble: 264.395376103
BingoBoingo: dat dpear davout
BingoBoingo: *spread
assbot: dpaste: 2Q2YKDB ... ( )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: China Moves to Devalue Yuan - WSJ ... ( )
trinque: Varia_Varietat+| Guys I forgot the passphase on the key I just made. << wahahaha!
trinque: study your gentoo install in the meanwhile.
BingoBoingo: trinque: He's on OpenBSD now and a six month hold order
funkenstein_: "tightly controlled currency" in what sense do you think mats?
assbot: Mad Max: The only review you need to read for the only movie you need to watch. ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "This part looks so awesome that Mad Max even pauses during the action just to watch people blow up. It's as if he knows he's acting in this awesome movie and he's getting paid to do his job, but even he can't help but sit back and think about how cool his life is going to be after this movie and how he's going to spend the rest of his life getting his knob polished by conjoined supermodel twins for being in thi
pete_dushenski: s awesome scene. " << par for the 2015 meta-movie course
pete_dushenski: ^longer one for y'all
trinque: BingoBoingo: OpenBSD is probably a much better n00b suggestion
pete_dushenski: spoiler alert : i was bullied, but i was also a bully !
trinque: great installer, for example
BingoBoingo: trinque: OpenBSD is the new Ubuntu 10.04
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Movie is that good
BingoBoingo: One big car chase
pete_dushenski: i've heard nothing but positive reviews of it
pete_dushenski: here, meatwot, everywhere !
mats: funkenstein_: how else? central bank carefully and regularly buys and sells it in domestic forex market
pete_dushenski: speaking of movie recommendations : pumping iron (1977)
pete_dushenski: arnold schwarzeneggar
BingoBoingo: trinque: Of course if you've not seem the previous Mad Max sequels best to follow its watchings with 2, thunderdome, then a rewatching
trinque: man, I love Maddox so much
BingoBoingo: Pumping Iron is good, but the Starz movie champs seems to cover a yet more masculine competition
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: The way you enjoy car culture some Immortan Joe seems necessary
pete_dushenski: i tried watching the original, 10 minutes was all i could take.
mats: yes, mad max originals are boring compared to fury road
funkenstein_: mats, ok.. but isn't that what zimbabwe central bank did too?
BingoBoingo: Really every Mad Max except for the original is great
BingoBoingo: 2 is probably best
pete_dushenski: i can't for the life of me understand why all the news about china's currency devaluation is all '2nd largest global economy' blah blah re: china.
pete_dushenski: china's been the biggest for what, 5 years ?
mats: funkenstein_: I don't know specifics of ZWD collapse, but let's say yes, so what?
BingoBoingo: <pete_dushenski> china's been the biggest for what, 5 years ? << Same reason Zynga is an ongoing concern instead of a cauterized wound
funkenstein_: just struck me as an amusing phrase :)
assbot: Bits, Please!: Full TrustZone exploit for MSM8974 ... ( )
mats: funkenstein_: I imagine the particular use arises from the nearly daily management of the rate
assbot: MoVfuscator Writeup - YobiWiki ... ( )
pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: basically, dreams die hardest.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: As a strength each Mad Max installment is completely independent. In order of interesting I rate then
BingoBoingo: *order them
funkenstein_: i was at first surprised how easily it appears for people to arb. CNH/USD/BTC
BingoBoingo drunk watching 4 again
BingoBoingo: <funkenstein_> i was at first surprised how easily it appears for people to arb. CNH/USD/BTC << And hen you actually try it
mats: first link is re: Snapdragon 800, second is 'a beautiful single instruction C compiler leveraging the paper "mov is Turing-complete" [] by Stephen Dolan.'
funkenstein_: if capital controls were effective, there would be differences
BingoBoingo: Capital is not controlled by capital
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BingoBoingo: My favorite aspect of Mad Max is he kills every budding socialist civilization he comes across
assbot: Donald Trump turns black women into Republicans - YouTube ... ( )
assbot: Ferguson protesters, police gather on West Florissant Avenue; state of emergency declared in county : News ... ( )
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: Cards have 'lapped the rest of baseball' in run prevention : Sports ... ( )
cazalla: <<< i said your fender flags were ugly, not your first born, get over it princess!
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 04:15:45; pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: me think cazalla is on a similar hunt ?
BingoBoingo: Aussie and Candidian are different kinds of Anglo degeneracy
Vexual: canadians just have more money
cazalla: thought you were dead or something Vexual
Vexual: bad luck
Vexual: as you know caz, aussies are hard to kill
Vexual: how goes sobriety?
cazalla: i had a few beers friday night but other than that, good
BingoBoingo: !up btcdrak
shinohai: Nice summary of copay BingoBoingo (tagged "shitware")
BingoBoingo: shinohai: "shitware" is one of qntra's oldest established tags
shinohai: One day I should like to write something for qntra.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: The do it.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Seize your dreams and do it.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Just do it.
cazalla: <<< ya even i managed to get that an xfce up and running
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 06:03:32; trinque: BingoBoingo: OpenBSD is probably a much better n00b suggestion
shinohai: doob it is more like it.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Do it.
shinohai: I'm not much in the politics arena, it will have to be something along the lines of shitcoin or redditard bashing.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: n6 managed to. Just needs 6 months to catch up to civilized folk.
shinohai: That's my specialty.
shinohai: n6 finally decided what distro to use? After naming off like 20 yesterday?
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Just find something and do it.
Vexual: shinohai, you're texan?
shinohai: No, I'm from GA
shinohai: fuckin Atlanta
Vexual: shit, soz
BingoBoingo: shinohai: I told n6 to just install OpenBSD. Then he found a guide to set up a "desktop" which convinced him to edit fstab (treat as read only). Got him to reinstall and find a saner guide. Didn't check his hardware and because Nvidia his resolution is painful. Directed to keep reading man pages.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: How about them Braves?
shinohai: I spent 2-3 hours in PM's trying to get him up to speed on gpg and stuff
shinohai: I fucking hate the Braves.
BingoBoingo: After that he forgot his GPG password and I quit
shinohai: !up Vexual
shinohai: srsly, forgot his GPG passphrase.
shinohai: God help us.
Vexual: lol
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> I spent 2-3 hours in PM's trying to get him up to speed on gpg and stuff << Going into the future this is a serious meat DoS attack vector
shinohai: elaborate?
cazalla: <<< yeah, i had to buy a $20 ATI card and turf the nvidia 580gt for my install, ended up back on nigbuntu though due to a few reasons
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 08:33:14; BingoBoingo: shinohai: I told n6 to just install OpenBSD. Then he found a guide to set up a "desktop" which convinced him to edit fstab (treat as read only). Got him to reinstall and find a saner guide. Didn't check his hardware and because Nvidia his resolution is painful. Directed to keep reading man pages.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Well if someone he's getting syn's at their brain ack'd it's the same as what happens at the internet socket
shinohai: I don't mind trying to help someone, like I stated earlier I just didn't have my crayons handy for the type of approach he needed.
BingoBoingo: At some point though people are going to help themselves.
shinohai: The agora crowd can learn GPG while spaced out on LSD, shouldn't be that hard.
Vexual: lol
BingoBoingo: This may be the waning time of helping people to get into the WoT
Vexual: bassbot has me ignore, ill need some fierce lsd to calc
shinohai: No one wants to *do* anything BingoBoingo, they like instant validation you get by repeating whatever someone says on r/bitcoin now.
shinohai: One day I'll be as famous as Vitalik Bullshitterin.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: The Phillipenis accepts that sure. But we've been under a variety of sustained attacks for a while. I'm getting to the point now where I really have trouble assuming n00bs are well intentioned like I may have in 2013.
shinohai: I was about ready to give up on bitcoin until I found this place.
BingoBoingo: I mean if someone can't follow instructions other people succeed on. Time spent is a waste. Wasting that time is a resource to be attacked.
shinohai: But what can ya do, all one can do is present the facts and hope it penetrates someoes thick skull and finds fetile brain matter on which to germinate.
shinohai: *fertile
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Consider if someone wastes an hour of my time, I've usually got lots of time. No big deal. If on the other hand that person manages to waste 15 minutes of asciilifeform's time we have experienced a tragic loss.
Vexual: that dude uses his time as he pleases
BingoBoingo: When the last pre-0.8 wedge came through I suspected it was a BDB issue but alf was the one to euthanize it at the root.
shinohai: Well BingoBoingo those space cadets I mentioned earlier are perfectly happy to *pay* for an hour or two of my time, and are surprisingly apt students. They gotta be - No GPG = No drugs.
shinohai: Here is a different story. If someone expresses an interest in therealbitcoin I want to help, because more nodes.
shinohai: But takes all kinds I guess.
BingoBoingo: In my current situation knowingly servicing the drug crowd for pay is too much risk. I'm out on bail. If they want to even ask for my service and get acknowledged they need GPG down already.
BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Here is a different story. If someone expresses an interest in therealbitcoin I want to help, because more nodes. << First lesson of reddit is randos don't run nodes
shinohai: No, reddit prefers to offer their opinions on bitcoin, as if that helps.
Vexual: hola hasimir
Vexual: no nuggets?
BingoBoingo: !up Hasimir
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: shinohai: See. Opinions can have an effect though if they are actionable and acted upon.
cazalla: looks like voat is doing some guerilla marketing/spamming
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Oh, I thought they were too busy trying to stay up.
shinohai: That's true, most of these "opinions" are just regurgitated talk from the guy that commented above you.
assbot: Checking your bits ... ( )
shinohai: Have you guys seen that other voat-like site that popped up in the wake of the reddit brouhaha? Lets you "upvote" with pencil-shavings of btc, ltc, and doge.
assbot: BitVoat - UpVoat with Crypto! BitVoat ... ( )
assbot: yayalorde comments on "Hearing these poor women desperately begging us to take their credit card numbers so they could put up an ad to feed their families changed everything." ... ( )
punkman: reddit is getting too much airtime
Vexual: that'll be $35
Vexual: thought on the yuan ounk?
Vexual: *punkman
punkman: oh they devalued again?
punkman: "the move was a "one-off depreciation" of 1.9% in a move to make the exchange rate more market-oriented. "
punkman: 1.9% pfft
Vexual: one of many?
Hasimir: yo, what's up?
Vexual: hey
punkman: so their exports slumped, let's make our shit cheaper?
Vexual: maybe
Hasimir: or did I just disconnect and autoreconect again?
punkman: they gotta manage everything "The midpoint for the yuan is now set at 6.2298 to $1, up from 6.1162 yuan on Monday. The People's Bank of China (POBC) manages the rate through the official midpoint, from which trade can rise or fall 2% on any given day."
Hasimir prods the flakey dsl
Vexual: sauna to the snow?
Hasimir: yeah, that was it (well, that and ZNC)
Vexual: :)
Vexual: commerxbank think they want into imf
Vexual: shitstory
Vexual: hasimar ass we see is what you say
shinohai: BingoBoingo u still there m8
shinohai: !up Vexual
Vexual: *all
assbot: Lenovo announces powerhouse laptops powered by new mobile Xeon processors | Ars Technica ... ( )
punkman: (with ECC ram)
assbot: For 40 years, computer scientists looked for a solution that doesn’t exist - The Boston Globe ... ( )
shinohai: Interesting article.
Vexual: i find it hard to swallow
Vexual: in any aother system you might find a maximum efficiency
punkman: !up Vexual
shinohai: !up muruc
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mircea_popescu: sooo, i got a rather amusing internal report from reddit. it would seem that
mircea_popescu: a) very few entries actually get > 100 upvotes. as in, it's happened twice so far this year. b) the number of negative votes exceeds the positive by a degree of magnitude or more on average, and regularly by two degrees on "popular" items. when this doesn't happen it's always obscure stories with one or two votes.
mircea_popescu: c) to cope with this situations the admins universally make up random vote counts ; d) to cope with the shortage of manpower this causes all sorts of exponential factorizations are used, which means that in practice a story is first "fast tracked" which means some admin ticks a box and from there on it gets all sorts of factors and additions
mircea_popescu: e) the system is pretty byzantine so that admins regularly can not predict what the results of their choices will actually be
mircea_popescu: f) they tried all sorts of experimental "harness the negative votes" but nothing could be made to werk
mircea_popescu: and finally g) they've been bleeding people from engineering at an ever accelerating rate since 2010 (or earlier) and by now it's so bad people leave during the first three months as a regular occurence. they briefly and unsuccessfully tried the "pay more" approach, it didn't do much, currently they've practically given up on the problem altogether.
mircea_popescu: along with all sorts of personally damning tidbits and a treasure trove of all sorts of lols.
mircea_popescu: welll... no, not really "all sorts". "autistic usian" sorts.
shinohai: reddit is doomed to go the way of digg
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, no, because apparently all sorts of people (who otherwise have no money and no influence, which is to say - their inept choices ands valuations have stranded them irl) think it's incredibly important and valuable!
shinohai: Conde Nast I guess feels the need to dump resources into it.
mircea_popescu: these'd be all sorts of self-described activists, which in any other place'd be known as "political arivists" except this doesn't apply because they're actually too fat/lazy/lost in self to even have ambitions.
mircea_popescu: i suspect it's alltogether more layered laziness, such as, "if i give up the delusion that my activity on the rickety house of cards we call reddit matters, i will have to find other work to do as part of my being politically important, which is hard and risks requiring me looking up from the tablet or going out of starbucks. so let's instead pretend."
mircea_popescu: in any case, reddit's gonna die its own, livejournal-y sort of death. digg iirc died when it crashed against a thick brick wall of "nobody cares".
shinohai: You recall correctly.
shinohai: Anyone here used vee as a blogging platform ?
shinohai: Comes pre-installed on my NetBSD shell. May give it a whirl sometimes.
mircea_popescu: mats the true question is whether this is a test run and they hit it again more to the tune of 30-40% later in the year.
mircea_popescu: it's one way to fix their major capital allocation issues / bad provincial govt "investment" / valuable real estate on paper etc.
mircea_popescu: the most relevant part of all this to bitcoin being that price stickiness (principally, the stubborn refusal of old people to admit that real estate they once bought is not now worth what they paid for it) may very well require inflation as the best social solution.
mircea_popescu: by a damned sight better than say, beatings. and it's altogether unclear an alternative to these exists.
mircea_popescu: balzac's french contemporaries (who were on the napoleon gold standard) pretty much used the beatings, which did make for great literature but really a rather miserable society.
mircea_popescu: << greatly helped by the fact that said central bank is both the world's largest holder of domestic currency as well as the various foreign currency. it has more dollars than the fed, for instance.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 06:06:57; mats: funkenstein_: how else? central bank carefully and regularly buys and sells it in domestic forex market
mircea_popescu: due to that position, the yuan's simply worth whatever the fuck they say it's worth.
mircea_popescu: "In the future, everyone has a war machine, nobody wears seatbelts and everyone tries to be as flammable as possible. Damn right."
mircea_popescu: is this guy from utah or something ?
mircea_popescu: and re charlize theron : i get it, chicks not really able to act, but is very pretty, so she's going to do either porn or action movies (which really aren't in any sense distinct). makes sense. what doesn't make sense is this bodily self-loathing hot women in hollywood seem to have gotten into the past few years.
mircea_popescu: angelina jolie is following the psychotic body mod trends of every zsa zsa gabor since the 50s, except she's not lifting her skin to the point her bellybutton adorns her chin, instead she's taking out her ovaries, the fat in her tits and i suppose putting in an armenian unibrow next, because hey.
mircea_popescu: feminity is bad mkay!
mircea_popescu: the unholy alliance of the pretty airhead and the horde of self-loathing hamplanets where the latter convince the former that they should grind their face on sandpaper and cut off her nipples because the ugliest she gets, the "better"
mircea_popescu: craaaazy.
mircea_popescu: << at no point did afrifail central bank EVER buy its own worthless paper.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 06:10:44; funkenstein_: mats, ok.. but isn't that what zimbabwe central bank did too?
shinohai tosses his pogoplug in the garbage disposal, gives up on stupid arm processors and cross-compiling.
mircea_popescu: << i have nfi what the guy is on about, sort-of like "oh, so nasa launched a satellite ? isn't that what the nazis did too ???" no, it isn't, and wtf.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 06:14:27; mats: funkenstein_: I don't know specifics of ZWD collapse, but let's say yes, so what?
mircea_popescu: << in its own mind the us is always going to be firstest bestest. it ends as the twerps in question die out, britannia also thought itself first bestsest 4evar!! all through the 30s, and the 40s, and the 50s (remember the humiliation they and the french got in egypt, bested by sadat ?) and so on. it died meanwhile through the biological process of, "the old people
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 06:14:18; pete_dushenski: china's been the biggest for what, 5 years ?
mircea_popescu: stubbornly refusing to admit that ideological estate they once bought is not now worth what they paid for it eventually die"
mircea_popescu: come to think about it, all the things "we" dislike about postmodernism, specifically the deluge of cultural artefacts (ideas, as opposed to [civilisational] artefacts, ie items) may well be the unavoidably necessary equivalent to inflation, to wash away the idiocy of these guys without having to beat them up/
shinohai: Shitty old AMD laptop: 1, Shiny pogo: 0
mircea_popescu: otherwise you'll get "brownstone is the best stone" and "american ideas must prevail everywhere" endlessly.
mircea_popescu: shinohai maybe i don't understand crosscompilation, but a) shouldn't it work on pogo if you ever got it to compile/link anywhere ? and b) wasn't the idea to avoid compiling for the pogo ON THE POGO anyway ?
shinohai: I tried with the pogotron instructions, have read hours upon hours about buildroot, tried writing my own build scripts, etc. Nothing.
shinohai: Compiling ON the pogo is pointless.
mircea_popescu: le suck.
shinohai: I have yet to find anyone willing to let me peek at their buildlog that *has* sucessfully done this.
shinohai: So x86_64 for me.
shinohai: Which btw I am at height 109638 on the one we built this weekend past. Runs good.
shinohai: *209638
mircea_popescu: shinohai what build is this, rotor ?
shinohai: prefixing LC_ALL=C is a bit annoying, but not a dealbreaker
mircea_popescu: would someone who managed this please post logs ?
mircea_popescu: iirc in the end hanbot did at the very least.
mircea_popescu: shinohai what's needed, the buildlog ?
shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o
shinohai: Yes a buildlog, any relevant notes someone can include.
mircea_popescu: iirc she did manage rotor yest ?
mircea_popescu: i think all this is coming. like, this week.
shinohai: I'm not below doing my own research but this one has me totally stumped.
shinohai retrieves his pogo from the disposal and puts it back on the shelf.
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assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 11:34:10; mircea_popescu: along with all sorts of personally damning tidbits and a treasure trove of all sorts of lols.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not THAT reliable.
mircea_popescu: moreover, trilema is not a news rag, it's a personal blog.
asciilifeform: well then dpaste.
asciilifeform: or wherever unreliable things go.
asciilifeform: watching the rats scramble in their denials would be lulzy.
mircea_popescu: yeah, but also... notrly the best approach
mircea_popescu: if wikileaks has taught us anything.
asciilifeform: keeping the death ray rusting in its holster is also not the best approach, as demonstrated by the nonwiki-leaks
mircea_popescu: this ain't no kind of deathray. the (incidentally : verifiable) maybe-deathray-esque parts are above in any case.
asciilifeform: was gonna say
asciilifeform: if they use deterministic diddles, hypothesis is testable.
asciilifeform: but needs max detail.
mircea_popescu: apparently there's about a dozen or two diddle "profiles"
asciilifeform: even so.
mircea_popescu: and apparently they all are linear functions, ie a+bx
asciilifeform: like the nsa/echelon thing, this is something that just about everyone 'will have always known' after it blows
mircea_popescu: all one needs to do is keep screenshots over fixed time intervals. eventually the data should be indicative.
mircea_popescu: where eventually = maybe months ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform doh.
asciilifeform: just lolling in advance over it
asciilifeform: anyway imho the full text oughta be posted. but it's mircea_popescu's death ray, not mine.
asciilifeform: perhaps he wants to let enemy draw in before firing.
asciilifeform: << how the hell does inflation dekulakize old farts with real estate? if anything, does the exact opposite.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 12:00:46; mircea_popescu: the most relevant part of all this to bitcoin being that price stickiness (principally, the stubborn refusal of old people to admit that real estate they once bought is not now worth what they paid for it) may very well require inflation as the best social solution.
asciilifeform: 500k cardboard hovels in us suburbia are creations of inflation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how do you reason ?
mircea_popescu: hehe. but they should have been 2x that, without it.
asciilifeform: will be 2x next year
mircea_popescu: yes, real estate allows them to "profit" from inflation, in the sense of being taxed at 30% instead of 65%
mircea_popescu: this is not unlike the idiot jews in ghetto taking jobs for germans.
asciilifeform: without it they'd cost what they cost in 1971 or whenever built
mircea_popescu: not at all.
asciilifeform: why not
mircea_popescu: this is beyond naive.
mircea_popescu: because the context has changed. in 1971 a lot of schmucks knew their place.
mircea_popescu: that do not know it today.
mircea_popescu: chiefly through the process of, the world of 1971 not being worth two shits in the terms of today.
asciilifeform: thought it was the reverse ?
asciilifeform: (how many current 'engineers' could pass 1971 exam? etc)
mircea_popescu: that's the conundrum.
mircea_popescu: see, admire the beauty of it. how much would an ipad be worth in 1971 ?
mircea_popescu: much enough that it was put in fucking star trek, right ?
asciilifeform: actually the folks of '71 would cry if shown one
mircea_popescu: the entire "apple stock could buy russia" is nothing more and nothing else than, "you could probably buy all of 1971"
asciilifeform: 'this ought to have been in '78'
asciilifeform: alan kay described a device vastly superior, 'dynabook', that he proposed could be built in only a few years from the time of writing
asciilifeform: he assumed that men would remain equally capable while si fab advances
mircea_popescu: im sure some uppity redskin proposed the steam engine, too.
mircea_popescu: you know ?
asciilifeform: let's put it this way
asciilifeform: at one point i bought an 'hp 200lx', 'palmtop'. vastly superior to ~anything~ in that device class made since
asciilifeform: find me something else with a keyboard that will run on two 'aa' battery for a MONTH
asciilifeform: MOTHERFUCKERS
asciilifeform: no such thing
mircea_popescu: and yet...
asciilifeform: so no, i highly doubt that you would properly astonish an educated man of 1971 with ~anything~ seen today
asciilifeform: other than the decay and degeneracy
mircea_popescu: what educated ? i'm not selling to the educated.
asciilifeform: if selling to muppets, can find plenty today
mircea_popescu: you understand ? the society of 1971 is just as broken as this one, but not actually raped yet.
mircea_popescu: huge profits could be driven by raping it from the future.
asciilifeform: this is the plot for 1,001 cheap 'alt history' yarns, aha.
mircea_popescu: which is the point. the "1971 educated man" does not yet know he's an imbecile.
mircea_popescu: au contraire, he expects himself quite smart.
asciilifeform: except that they usually feature 1871
mircea_popescu: yet the continuation of his imbecility is exactly 2015.
asciilifeform: or 1671, more commonly.
mircea_popescu: it's not like the aliens came in and made the country stupid.
mircea_popescu: this was a convenient excuse in romania, "things went to shit because teh russians are making us do it !111"
mircea_popescu: rrrrrheally nao.
mircea_popescu: who invaded the us ?
asciilifeform: massachusetts!
asciilifeform: who else.
mircea_popescu: so - without inflation they'd still be around, derping on, as if their ideas and values are valuable and useful.
mircea_popescu: looky where they lead.
asciilifeform: would they?
asciilifeform: or would they get 'goxed'
mircea_popescu: but that's the goxing - inflation.
asciilifeform: there is more than one way for idiots to lose everything
mircea_popescu: or rather, the hounds driving them into goxing
asciilifeform: spain lost its gold.
mircea_popescu: through real estate or w/e
asciilifeform: and not because anyone made more gold.
mircea_popescu: but because the anglos made ipads.
mircea_popescu: which were utter pieces of shit, btw, and what you said above could have been said by italian "educated man" of the time,
mircea_popescu: about the time's trinkets.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 12:01:47; mircea_popescu: balzac's french contemporaries (who were on the napoleon gold standard) pretty much used the beatings, which did make for great literature but really a rather miserable society.
mircea_popescu: heck, the same thing was said by educated men of the opium
asciilifeform: beat, beat
mircea_popescu: i say it today, and the conclave of derps is like "hey, mp is just silly, drugs are great mkay"
mircea_popescu: fine, fine, haveityourway.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform beating old people is a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: in young people and especially young women it is how the fucxk do you say this in english
mircea_popescu: timeout while i research my words lol.
asciilifeform admits he rather ~likes~ old people, even most of'em to whom he isn't related by blood, for much the same reason he likes museums
asciilifeform still often finds himself walking past these folks, with their enormous houses owned free and clear merely for having been alive 40 years earlier, and thinks 'hm, kulaks'
mircea_popescu: страдание поучительно
mircea_popescu: there we go.
asciilifeform: we did this iirc
mircea_popescu: there's great benefit from toil in youth.
mircea_popescu: yeah meanwhile i remember.
mircea_popescu: that benefit doth not exist in old people.
asciilifeform: didn't say they ought to be beaten educationally
mircea_popescu: they just get sad, and the whole world grows dimmer.
asciilifeform: just eaten.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 12:15:34; *: shinohai tosses his pogoplug in the garbage disposal, gives up on stupid arm processors and cross-compiling.
shinohai: Later on down I did get it back out.
asciilifeform: shinohai: see, i'd post a full recipe and signed binaries today, but we don't quite yet have a pogo-capable - that is, non-ramguzzling - bitcoind
asciilifeform: needs two things, 1) hard mempool limiter 2) block index cache moved to disk
asciilifeform: (both discussed in the logs on several occasions)
asciilifeform: the ~existing~ therealbitcoin can run on pogo, yes, if you enable swapping. but just barely. and imho we don't need a thousand more 'just barely' nodes.
shinohai: I did swap when I tried it w/ the precompiled binary.
shinohai: precompiled binaries are boring tho. I don't learn anything.
asciilifeform: shinohai: i think the last one built for pogo ~actually leaks~.
asciilifeform: don't use it
shinohai: It does
shinohai: which is why I am using my spare lappy now
asciilifeform: shinohai: you somehow botched the buildroot. i do not yet know how. when i post mine you can compare
asciilifeform: << ancient idea, at least as old as the legendary amazons
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 12:10:01; mircea_popescu: the unholy alliance of the pretty airhead and the horde of self-loathing hamplanets where the latter convince the former that they should grind their face on sandpaper and cut off her nipples because the ugliest she gets, the "better"
asciilifeform: 'get manly by getting ugly'
mircea_popescu: sure, but detrimental.
asciilifeform: no shit.
mircea_popescu muchly prefers his manly women be manly intellectually.
mircea_popescu: admittedly harder to do. actually works tho.
mircea_popescu: an ugly shitsack's not more manly than the dumpster.
asciilifeform: but seen side by side, illustrates why some go for mutilation
asciilifeform: when 'manly via intellect' is not on the menu!
mircea_popescu: (which reminds me : i once dropped the "how tall are you ? really ?! my god, i didn't know they stacked shit that high" on model chick. great lols were had.)
asciilifeform: << latest generation will 'us is greatest' on account of 'greatest communism' - word is that clitler is running on platform of 'phreeee uni tuition for all plankton'
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 12:20:12; mircea_popescu: << in its own mind the us is always going to be firstest bestest. it ends as the twerps in question die out, britannia also thought itself first bestsest 4evar!! all through the 30s, and the 40s, and the 50s (remember the humiliation they and the french got in egypt, bested by sadat ?) and so on. it died meanwhile through the biological process o
mircea_popescu: there is no way to avoid that. if I ran my platform would also include free university for everyone.
mircea_popescu: the us has painted itself in a corner and there's simply no way out no matter how you approach the matter.
mircea_popescu: "The Southern Poverty Law Center, a non-profit civil rights organization, has described the 'Oath Keepers' as a 'fiercely anti-government, militaristic group,' and St. Louis County Police Chief Jon Belmar condemned their appearance in Ferguson."
mircea_popescu: so what about this is a bad thing then ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the original story with these is that they were simply a group of officers who... took an oath
shinohai: Pisses off the black activists something awful.
mircea_popescu: that'd be their problem eh ?
asciilifeform: it being, that they will not fire on u.s. folk, no matter who orders it
mircea_popescu: but obviously it would. their entire shtick relies on the same "but seen side by side, illustrates why some go for mutilation".
mircea_popescu: for the entire nonsense to work, ordinary people must perforce perceive there is "nothing else on the meny"
mircea_popescu: otherwise, in an open market, the "activist" is middling to low tier camwhore.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform problem being that who are they going to fire on then
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: they haven't run out of untermenschen to 'conquer' at this point quite yet
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shinohai: ^ best comment of all
mircea_popescu: they have run out of softer targets. there's no "untermenschen" they COULD conquer
asciilifeform: there are the obvious ones
asciilifeform: their own command.
mircea_popescu: even if the untermenschen were all on vacation leaving the unterwomenschen behind and the doors open
mircea_popescu: "I'll ask your opinion on it again next time you have a transaction you need to process in a hurry and the mempool is 5 MB."
mircea_popescu: uhh.,... what, "and i'll spend a quarter and not have a problem" ?
asciilifeform: nah that'd be racist or something
asciilifeform: what of all the poor starving hurrying people who don't have quarterz
mircea_popescu: and then you want clinton to do anything but make it free ?
mircea_popescu: "what do you mean pay"
mircea_popescu: "I disagree that I should have to pay in bitcoin or cpu time to get what I want."
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: see, i've always been sympathetic to 'sure let's warehouse people while energy is cheap and we don't need to plow by hand' - because i always fukcinghated work.
funkenstein_: <-- just like reddit / imperial elections / box office stats / etc, no means of verification of vote or claimed rating is available to the user. Draw your own conclusions.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 09:09:36; shinohai:
asciilifeform: but it isn't like i can personally do my thing in the warehouse
mircea_popescu: not sure where this is coming/going ?
asciilifeform: clitler's 'phree'
shinohai: I drew my conclusion funkenstein_ it promotes dogecoin so scummy
asciilifeform: i object to it on account of being among the designated chumps who will have to starve to pay for the 'phree'
mircea_popescu: i suppose the sticking point is that you for some reason project unrelated matter on it.
mircea_popescu: they will call it "university"
mircea_popescu: but in point of fact no higher learning has happened in the us in two decades at least.
mircea_popescu: so... no. it's adult daycare.
mircea_popescu: and yes you'll have to pay for adult healthcare. doh.
mircea_popescu: this comes with the territory, living in the united states of kindergarten.
asciilifeform: well not exactly. the folks on the other side of the fence get to eat phree, rather than pay.
asciilifeform: they also live here.
asciilifeform: meanwhile...
mircea_popescu: lol, this is so funny. looky :
asciilifeform: gcd==357; __test__ <>
mircea_popescu: they're the negro slaves of the new, certifiedly non-racist regime. they, just like the previous negro slaves, eat "for free". in exchange, they may not own property, have no disposition of their bodies, and have to do "work"
mircea_popescu: the work they currently do is about as economically useful as handpickingf cotton, for the record.
mircea_popescu: happy now ? you live in the best world possible.
asciilifeform: thing is, i already... own no property; have no disposition of body; and do 'work'
asciilifeform: where's the 'eat for phree'
mircea_popescu: you know, the little discussed secrtet, is that at the time "blacks were enslaved", poor, independent minded whites lived in just about the same conditions throughout the slaveowning states.
asciilifeform: discussed extensively
asciilifeform: and not 'same conditions' - minus the expectations and beatings, no ?
asciilifeform: materially - same,yes
mircea_popescu: materially same, yes.
mircea_popescu: it's what you were saying innit.
shinohai: Did not the Ottomans enslave whites as well?
mircea_popescu: the arabs and the turks preferred black men for labour and white women for ... belabour.
mircea_popescu: which is why "arap" in romanian means black, in the sense of negro slave. because the turks called them "arabs"
mircea_popescu: this, incidentally, has survived, a proper thing to wish for the bride at wedding throughout musliv world is "may your kids be light skinned"
shinohai: I can see why if all they got were the same whiny white Xstians we have here in the US today.
mircea_popescu: well... white people can't jump or something.
asciilifeform: << this was the ru parlance as late as the time of peter I.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 14:06:11; mircea_popescu: which is why "arap" in romanian means black, in the sense of negro slave. because the turks called them "arabs"
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mircea_popescu: ;;google Harap Alb
gribble: Harap Alb - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; The White Moor - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; De-as fi Harap Alb (1965) The White Moor [English subtitles ...: <>
mircea_popescu: ^ super-famous literary work, title works on the contradiction of "White Negro Slave"
mircea_popescu: and moor is nonsense. it literally means "the white nigger"
mircea_popescu: recorded in 1877. part of early school curricula all through early 90s
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mircea_popescu: in any case. the "slave" sense is more marked than the "black" sense in there.
funkenstein_: mircea_popescu, do you know why white people can't jump?
shinohai: <<< My entire knowledge of Russian history in one song
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funkenstein_: becaues too busy telling racist jokes
mircea_popescu: i dunno, bird jumped alright back in the day
mircea_popescu: lol i thought this was a black culture theme ?
funkenstein_: I just read great book "of water and the spirit". Dagara youth taken by French missionaries, when he returns he is "too white" to be part of his villiage, forgot his language, etc.
mircea_popescu: funkenstein_ i'm very vaguely following the black culture stuff, mostly on the grounds that i don't believe it is sterile / doesn't carry much import. so i have nfi. but srsly, you saying the theme is really projected rather than locally brewed ?
mircea_popescu: i do believe it's sterile*
funkenstein_: i just can't really follow because it seems the terms are not clear.
mircea_popescu: the expression "white men can't jump", as an artefact, which it is. comes, as far as i know, from actual black people, as a local creation. like the word "trayvon". not from white people, as a projection.
mircea_popescu: like the word "negro"
kakobrekla: nah, they are just being racists.
mircea_popescu: bloody hell now i'm going to have to look into this.
funkenstein_: probably not worth your time.
mircea_popescu: what ever is.
funkenstein_: lol :) I absolutely recommend the book though, Malidoma Patrice Somé is the author
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shinohai: !up ascii_field
assbot: dpaste: 127S00C ... ( )
ascii_field: ^ 'SIGINT Philosopher'
ascii_field: ^ the paste is incomplete
ascii_field: some of the text did not ocr
mircea_popescu: jump to line 428 lol
mod6: hey, if i build rotor-TEST2 on say gentoo, and someone else builds the same whole thing on debian, we get the same number of output bytes in the bin, but the checksums are different, seem to be some offset differences.
mod6: is this expected?
ascii_field: mod6: vbindiff
ascii_field: and see why
ascii_field: (embedded path turds)
ascii_field: these need to die, yes
mod6: neat tool.
mod6: seems to be some opcode diffs, i.e. deb 0x25 always is changed out for gentoo 0x12 ...
mod6: things like that
ascii_field: objdump -d
ascii_field: and diff
ascii_field: and srsly do i have to do everything myself
mircea_popescu: eh cmon.
ascii_field: 'If we determine as part of our analysis that scan results could only have come from reverse engineering (in at least one case, because the report said, cleverly enough, “static analysis of Oracle XXXXXX”), we send a letter to the sinning customer, and a different letter to the sinning consultant-acting-on-customer’s behalf – reminding them of the terms of the Oracle license agreement that preclude
ascii_field: reverse engineering, So Please Stop It Already.' << glorious
Apocalyptic: I knew you'd like it :)
ascii_field: to borrow mircea_popescu's observation from last year, these folks are just ~begging~ to be boiled in oil
mircea_popescu: this is the protocols of the elders of nsa.
ascii_field: tr0lfake ?
mod6: <+ascii_field> and srsly do i have to do everything myself << i might not be viewing the differences correctly .. so what I said above might not be correct.
ascii_field: mod6: nah prolly correct
ascii_field: disasm and diff, betcha it'll make a good blog post
ascii_field: why is mircea_popescu convinced that the oracle thing is a sham ?
mircea_popescu: btw, it might please you to find that in the woirld simulation that is eulora, licensing agreements appeared within the first month.
mircea_popescu: the economy wiggled out of command state by the 9th
mircea_popescu: ascii_field i was speaking re previous dpaste.
ascii_field: as i understand, it is a snowden turd
ascii_field: which is to say, from the bottom of the pile, were it sorted
ascii_field: like ~all of them~
ascii_field: the ant catalogue ('godsurge' etc) ~wasn't~ from snowden
mircea_popescu hasn't seen it, is unsure of origin.
ascii_field: the rest of the idiocy - typical, like the sample
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 03:51:50; asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: circumstantial; based on out-of-phase release time, and the content (uncensored) and formatting (full text memos, with technical detail, rather than idiot powerpoint)
mod6: ok, yeah offsets, not opcodes:
mod6: - 40259e: 48 81 ff 50 25 ac 00 cmp $0xac2550,%rdi
mod6: + 40259e: 48 81 ff 50 12 ac 00 cmp $0xac1250,%rdi
mod6: that kinda 25 <=> 12 happens a bunch
ascii_field: 'Q. Why are you going after consultants the customer hired? The consultant didn’t sign the license agreement! A. The customer signed the Oracle license agreement, and the consultant hired by the customer is thus bound by the customer’s signed license agreement. Otherwise everyone would hire a consultant to say (legal terms follow) “Nanny, nanny boo boo, big bad consultant can do X even if the customer can’t!”'
ascii_field: ^ gold
mircea_popescu: "More like, "I do not need you to analyze the code since we already do that, it's our job to do that, we are pretty good at it, we can -- unlike a third party or a tool -- actually analyze the code to determine what's happening and at any rate most of these tools have a close to 100 percent false positive rate so please do not waste our time on reporting little green men in our code. I am not running away from our resp
mircea_popescu: onsibilities to customers, merely trying to avoid a painful, annoying, and mutually-time wasting exercise," the CSO writes.
assbot: No, You Really Can’t (Mary Ann Davidson Blog) ... ( )
mircea_popescu: there you go, that's your "professionals".
mircea_popescu: still with that boat ?
ascii_field: these are turds with two legs
ascii_field: aka 'american business experts'
mircea_popescu: heh. says who ?
mircea_popescu: but lulzy at the legal nonsense they're sprouting. my consultant can do whatever the fuck he pleases.
ascii_field: says my lying nose
mod6: i'll post the diff so you can take a peek when you have a chance ascii_field
mircea_popescu: you can claim im still responsible for it.
mircea_popescu: but he - isn't.
ascii_field: mod6: neat
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: these folks are at the stage where they openly expect to be able to use law as lettre de cachet
ascii_field: not caring really about technicalities
mircea_popescu: i'm at the same phase.
ascii_field: when you break something, it is broken for everyone
ascii_field: sorta how it works
mircea_popescu: heh i guess so.
ascii_field: btw in case this wasn't obvious, the original article is memoryholed into oblivion
ascii_field: nobody disclaimed the idiocies, but oracle would like to pretend that no one said them in a single convenient place.
mircea_popescu: well you wouldn't expect them to keep the record.
mircea_popescu: incidentally - the attitude towards stuff like this is becoming the premiere marker of dishonest folk.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: does it have an "acceptable use policy" ? it's a bunch of scumbags.
mircea_popescu: do they delete so and so ? fuck em.
ascii_field: see the 'nationalist' thread
ascii_field: they thought they finally got their wet dream
ascii_field: editable history
mircea_popescu: yeah. it's the clear mark of the "nationalist", aka socialist, libertard - generally speaking idiot.
ascii_field: in the age of newsprint, this was messy, unreliable
mircea_popescu: he whose personality is entirely fictitious has trouble groking the permanence of reality.
mircea_popescu: "we could call it something else" "so you could" "that'd matter right ?" "no."
ascii_field: mod6: i can tell immediately that most of it is displacement
mircea_popescu: - 400163:e8 ed eb 39 00 callq 0x79ed55 + 400163:e8 ef eb 39 00 callq 0x79ed57
mircea_popescu: they all seem one byte offset sort of things like this.
ascii_field: e.g., cmp 0x407451(%rip),%rdi vs cmp 0x4074d1(%rip),%rdi
mircea_popescu: is this a int encoding problem or something ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu also has good eyes
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: no, it is what i said before
ascii_field: string in there somewhere
ascii_field: with a local path
ascii_field: because gcc is dripping with idiocy
mircea_popescu: right. makes sense
ascii_field: it wants to be ms vs now
ascii_field: and embeds 'identifiables'
mircea_popescu: what do we do!
ascii_field: a) scrub with a broom
ascii_field: b) wait for me to write auto-scrubber
ascii_field: ^ not priority
mircea_popescu: but it won't run will it ?
ascii_field: it runs
ascii_field: why the hell wouldn't it run
ascii_field: naturally shit gotta be scrubbed prior to linking
mircea_popescu: << i was reading a "book" written by some romanian twerp who thinks himself famous (stand up comedian / singer), sent to me by retired whore (really, if you whore and can't retire by 25 or so, you're too stupid to live) of my generation, for the purpose of "see mr p, i told you the kids are fucktarded". ie, kids, the next set.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 08:41:27; shinohai: No one wants to *do* anything BingoBoingo, they like instant validation you get by repeating whatever someone says on r/bitcoin now.
mircea_popescu: holy shit is the thing stupid. paragraphs have visible training wheels on them
mircea_popescu: "ambrosia" is explained in the text, because for retards.
mircea_popescu: that said, i can admire the guy for taking the time to do what really amounts to daycare for mentally retarded adults. but the thing itself is in-fucking-credible.
mircea_popescu: the whole thing reads like literotica is too advanced now, and it needs rewriting in simpler words with simplified story arcs.
mircea_popescu: and with better reinforcement throughout reinforcement throughout hello there, how goes it, we were talking about story arcs, you know, like bows hehehe, but reinforced throguhout throughout reinforced ps. this was a paragraph, and you read it well done !
mircea_popescu: i am guessing romanian will have to move to a 3 to 4 letters per word mode soon or else it may go out of print.
ascii_field: or they could switch to english aha
mircea_popescu: you know if i ever impregnate an isis fighter i'ma name her kid Rite Rait Al'Right.
mircea_popescu: (btw, if your oral english is your slave not your master, your reading of the name distinguishes the three phonemes. because they are fucking distinct in english omfg)
ascii_field: wright right rite
mircea_popescu: the right-honorable baron rite rait al-right!
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mircea_popescu: Mateusz Kopeć ? whossat.
mircea_popescu: ah random mod of obscure sub-alt-reddit mkay.
mircea_popescu: "I have been putting up ads on backpage letting people know I can teach about and sell them bitcoin.
mircea_popescu: I got a lot of responses, but you know what? I now understand why all of these women are hookers and i don't feel bad for them in the least. They are aggressive, flaky and dont want to understand what is happening around them. All I have been getting is women asking me for free bitcoin to buy their "medication". Its life and death apparently.
mircea_popescu: I have yet to sell a single satoshi."
mircea_popescu: this goes not-so-badly with the earlier link of dooglus' attempt to resurect the mpoe-pr visits the whore forum thing.
mircea_popescu: i have no idea why anglos have conflated whoredom and beggary.
mircea_popescu: it's not unlike conflating computer programming and autism, or bewing the runt in a family litter and being the politician.
mircea_popescu: both things they've also done.
mircea_popescu: why does anglo conflate so much and so stupidly ? is it because the 3-4 letter words universe ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: it is because, proximately, they picked the 'make'em stupid' school of mass management
ascii_field: as far back as 18th c
mircea_popescu: nah, this was the case way WAY before.
mircea_popescu: italian whores were accomplished throughout, like japanese whores.
mircea_popescu: english whores were mostly retarded, like chinese whores.
mircea_popescu: (notable exceptions, here and there, which shows it's not racial but fashio-cultural and fucktardinal)
ascii_field: possibly because ~their~ ruling class was... straight
mircea_popescu: italians ? straight ?! those rotinculo ? dun make me laugh, i might fart myself.
ascii_field: was mostly thinking of jp
mircea_popescu: in any case : the "many users" problem doesn't even need to be approached at the "hey, we need their spam allowed in the blocks more".
mircea_popescu: the bigger problem is that bitcoin coallesces. they won't HAVE any.
ascii_field: already happened, no ?
mircea_popescu: going for 99.999999999999999999
ascii_field: going for the mircea_popescu-and-five-phriends model ?
ascii_field: (fwiw that easily works..)
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 5*10**9 * (100-99.999999999999999999)/100
mircea_popescu: not even.
mircea_popescu: << the innovation of fixing by midpoint is actually quite commandable.
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 09:27:34; punkman: they gotta manage everything "The midpoint for the yuan is now set at 6.2298 to $1, up from 6.1162 yuan on Monday. The People's Bank of China (POBC) manages the rate through the official midpoint, from which trade can rise or fall 2% on any given day."
mircea_popescu: historically people have tried min/maxing it
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 11-08-2015 08:56:46; BingoBoingo: When the last pre-0.8 wedge came through I suspected it was a BDB issue but alf was the one to euthanize it at the root.
ascii_field: (see logz)
mircea_popescu: hm isn't that ray cis ?
BingoBoingo: ascii_field: Ah
mircea_popescu: "The Trotskyist is AGAINST Stalin just as the Communist is FOR him, and, like the majority of Communists, he wants not so much to alter the external world as to feel that the battle for prestige is going in his own favour."
mircea_popescu: heh. i suppose the widespread metanonsense is why people are so lost when confronted with groups utterly disinterested in prestige,
mircea_popescu: and especially in prestige among them.
mircea_popescu: ok, im fucking rewriting this thing.
ascii_field: 'Congress passed the Protect Act after the Supreme Court struck down a broader law prohibiting any visual depictions of minors engaged in sexual activity, including computer-generated imagery and other fakes. The high court ruled that the ban was too broad, and could cover legitimate speech, including Hollywood productions.
ascii_field: In response, the Protect Act narrows the prohibition to cover only depictions that the defendant’s community would consider “obscene.”' << vintage l0l
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ascii_field: do x in nyc, walk; do x in iowa - fed prison
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phf: ben_vulpes: << read-sequence reads octets (i.e. unsigned bytes) into an array, so you want (make-array size :element-type '(unsigned-byte 8)) and you also want to then explicitly convert an octet array into a string. later is implementation dependent (since concerns encodings, etc.), ccl has DECODE-STRING-FROM-OCTETS and sbcl OCTETS-TO-STRING, both support encodings. since version is ascii, a naive converte
phf: r might look like (string-right-trim '(#\Null) (map 'string 'code-char command))
phf: ben_vulpes: << so we were poking at gernika yesterday and it looks like CS didn't fully build. i'll take a look at his "successful" cs build log today, and see what comes up
assbot: dpaste: 2Q2YKDB ... ( )
phf: *with gernika rather
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
shinohai: LOLZ
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 01:30:35; asciilifeform: 'As progressively dumber programmers build progressively more complex systems we will see more of this kind of attempt to paper over coding mistakes with lawyers, sanctions, policies, and laws. Hollywood and the RIAA are usually the most successful at getting the government to do their bidding. Thus I predict that one day Disney will have a Web site where you can buy access to any of their movies.
mod6: ascii_field: for people who'd like to build rotor w/stator or rotor w/TEST2 on i386/i686, is there anything special that they would need to do to this file? rotor_buildroot_dot_config
mod6: comment out: "BR2_ARCH_IS_64=y" ? and set "BR2_i386=y" +
ascii_field: a few places
ascii_field: see the pogotron one for example
mod6: oh ok will look thx.
shinohai: !up ascii_field
hanbot: shinohai: hanbot compiled pogo ? O.o << nein. have built stator "manually" as of last night, tho still need to verify runs as expected, after which will put together notes. have not pogo-ed, rotor trial to come. (ubuntu 10.04 32bit + mod6's gracious help)
shinohai: the new rotor script mod6 and I tried this weekend past is so easy a redditard could do it
shinohai: despite a few initial hiccups
hanbot: hehe i have plenty. they're not available for testing stuff on. craptop, otoh....
shinohai: I love craptops. I did buy 2 surplus lappys last year for btc tho
assbot: Vibr8gKiwi comments on is BitcoinXT an altcoin (or a forkcoin) ... ( )
trinque: maybe it's a sporkcoin
trinque: pointless, useless compromise
fluffypony: yeah shinohai
fluffypony: that thread is a trainwreck
shinohai: Nary a shred of *actual logic (tm)* to be found.
shinohai: Looks like they even got together and bribed cryptocoin "news" into pleading for them:
assbot: Discussion of Bitcoin-XT Banned from Bitcoin Subreddit - CCN: Financial Bitcoin & Cryptocurrency News ... ( )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
trinque: "According to Pasi M??enranta because "the people" happily let Google and Facebook track them with smartphones there's no way this could be considered an invasion of privacy by citizens."
trinque: clearly the Nordic system is on the cutting edge, here.
ascii_field: shinohai: recent hearn (nsa) gambit. there's very little the amorphous masses love more than 'omg1111!!! censored!!'
trinque: I expect to hear in a few years how backward America is because we don't yet have the chip system.
ascii_field: which lucky nord (can we call'em nords?) will be the first to be carved up for his dog tag ?
ascii_field: (by some enterprising somali)
shinohai: We don't need chips, nsa owns yer cellphones.
shinohai: Every 'murican has one glued to them nearly 24/7
ascii_field: ^ 'what good is a phone call when you have no mouth' (tm) (r)
ascii_field: at any rate, the art of human collar-making has not stood still! iirc the saudis even hold a patent on proper bomb-n-shock-n-gps collar
ascii_field: with two-way voice, etc
ascii_field: like in the film 'deadlock' but moar internety.
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ascii_field: also pictured in, iirc, film 'cloud atlas'
mats: 'cloud atlas' was 5/10
ascii_field: mentioned solely for the cattle collar
thestringpuller: did ascii_field just quote the matrix?
ascii_field: thestringpuller: linked picture was from it.
ascii_field: the scene where the robotic cockroach is implanted
thestringpuller: the last time I opened a link here at work was from MP and yea...awkward...
shinohai: I ... regret
trinque: meh, one on the right's got some weird going on with her actual equipment iirc
mircea_popescu: as in it's fake ?
assbot: GAW Miners Lawsuit Ends With $340k Default Judgement ... ( )
trinque: mircea_popescu: thought I saw a warty looking thing in a scene with her
trinque: forgot her name
trinque: this, my brain decided to file away for important moments such as now
mircea_popescu: i dunno who the fuck she is.
assbot: Hillary Clinton: Good for White Feminism, Bad for Racial Justice - ... ( )
mircea_popescu: "While many people are excited about the prospect of the first woman president, I think that a Hillary Clinton presidency will be another in a long series of triumphs for white, corporate feminism and defeats for racial justice."
mircea_popescu: For her part, noted feminist Gloria Steinem said (in 2008) that she supported Clinton over Barack Obama because, “Black men were given the vote a half-century before women of any race were allowed to mark a ballot, and generally have ascended to positions of power, from the military to the boardroom, before any women…”
mircea_popescu: how the fuck is this stupid ass "noted" ?
mircea_popescu: "today i will drink mumm instead of cliquot, because german froth is so much later!"
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: "Katherine van Wormer Professor of Social Work University of Northern Iowa"
mircea_popescu: it is forbidden to have a course in nonsense.
ascii_field: tell it to usg
mircea_popescu: As for the “lesser of two evils” argument, I just have to quote from Ijeoma Oluo who was saying earlier:
mircea_popescu: Ijeoma Oluo ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: << random internet fucktard begging page.
assbot: Support Ijeoma Oluo creating Words. Angry Words. ... ( )
BingoBoingo: ;;ud Aye Papi
gribble: | aye papi. The new term, replacing "my ovaries," that sexually frustrated teenage girls use to describe a hot guy. Usually used on Twitter by Directioners.
mircea_popescu: i have never heard either used ?!
shinohai: I have heard "papi" quite a bit, usually from Mexican escorts.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: spiffy orwell remake btw
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mircea_popescu: does it work ?
mircea_popescu: shinohai that just means daddy
shinohai: Oh I know what it means ;)
mircea_popescu: what's a directioner ?
shinohai: Papi chulo, etc
shinohai: Directioner? idk
mats: boy band. 'One Direction'
assbot: Urban Dictionary: Directioner ... ( )
shinohai: oh ^
trinque: every moronic thing has an "us" you can join these days
trinque: click here to join the burrito bandwagon!
assbot: Dollar could suffer if U.S. walks away from Iran deal: John Kerry| Reuters ... ( )
assbot: Traders busted after enlisting hackers to play stock market to net $100 million - MarketWatch ... ( )
mircea_popescu: but yes, he's right. obama has managed to put the us in the worst position of all
mircea_popescu: now it has to buy its foreign policy from iran ffs.
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: 'Over five years, two computer hackers living in Ukraine broke into U.S. newswire services including Business Wire and PRNewswire and stole more than 100,000 press releases for publicly traded companies before their release. Those documents, which included earnings data, were distributed to a network of traders who used the advance knowledge to buy or sell securities based on how they anticipated the market would react to
ascii_field: the announcements, according to the Securities and Exchange Commission complaint.'
ascii_field: ^ only loyal aryans may front-run!
mircea_popescu: “The reality of the situation is that the U.S. dollar hasn’t been this strong in decades. The thought that it could be replaced as a reserve currency is laughable at this point on a geopolitical basis and nothing in the Iran deal even remotely touches upon that issue,” he added.
assbot: M1 Money Stock - FRED - St. Louis Fed ... ( )
trinque: uh huh
trinque: and that's according to their bullshit numbers
mircea_popescu: " Obama has never ruled out military force if negotiations failed"
mircea_popescu: ahahaha o lordy.
mircea_popescu would like to see this one.
mircea_popescu: "Thanks for your comment, dumspirospero! I appreciate your appreciation of the post."
mircea_popescu: i hereby validate one derp's appreciation of the other derp's appreciation of the first derp's appreciations on issues she doesn't understand and wasn't really asked about.
mircea_popescu: anyone care to appreciate my validation so we can make it a social media ?
shinohai: I concur! You're now popular!
trinque: mircea_popescu: I appreciate the opportunity to take part in this meta-appreciation. upboated, or something
mircea_popescu: we are moving the conversation to the left!
trinque: I can feel a consensus building already
shinohai: Yay deddit, we did it!
mircea_popescu: where's that bottle of queefs
trinque: I bet gloria steinem has one
mircea_popescu: “White folks was in caves while we was building empires… We taught philosophy and astrology and mathematics before Socrates and them Greek homos ever got around to it.”
mircea_popescu: let's play guess the genius.
BingoBoingo: Elijah Muhammed
mircea_popescu: neithert
ascii_field: gandhi
BingoBoingo: Farrakan
mircea_popescu: neither.
BingoBoingo: It sounds very Nation of Islam...
mircea_popescu: it actually isn't.
mircea_popescu: but yeah
trinque: doesn't sound like a very sharp guy if you ask me
mircea_popescu: very sharp actually.
mircea_popescu: reverend al sharpton in point of fact.
trinque: hehe
mircea_popescu: how exactly did some us black guy get his "we" to include i presume egyptians, which weren't black while he wasn't in africa, is anyone's guess.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: this particular delusion is known to have originated with a particular academitard, but his name escapes me
mircea_popescu: i suppose they got numbers from the indians while they were exploring zanzibar
ascii_field: soviet elephants are the biggest elephants (tm) (r)
mircea_popescu: the island 50 miles off the coast which you can see on a clear day, but which the mud packing philosophers and astrologo-mathematicians of a certain complexion failed to find,
mircea_popescu: pewople had to come from fucking indonesia
mircea_popescu: anyway. a truly very liberal gent.
ascii_field: madagascar aha
BingoBoingo: <ascii_field> mircea_popescu: this particular delusion is known to have originated with a particular academitard, but his name escapes me << Actually harder to pin down. Variations had been going on in Black Christian circles since the early 1800's at least, but Nation of Islam really brought this crazy to the mainstream
ascii_field: was speaking of ancient egypt specifically
mircea_popescu: fwiw, thjere's a contingent of deranged romanians who believe zamolxis taught the romans to read.
mircea_popescu: they even had statal support for a while.
ascii_field: the ducks are unloaded from the trucks!
mircea_popescu: and obviously usians have their own john smiths etc.
mircea_popescu: every group lays the same pretense. irrespective of the justification. much like every absoute monarchy sooner or later got around to deriving the monarch from the sun
mircea_popescu: poor star had no fucking idea how many women it had impregnated, from paris to shanghai
mircea_popescu: if only it exercised safer sex.
shinohai: I think my favorite Al Sharptonism is "Jewing the numbers"
trinque: is that like... counting with them?
shinohai: It's a broad statement.
mircea_popescu: more like making them come out to him being a parasite.
gernika: BingoBoingo was there not a Nubian dynasty that ruled Egypt at some point? Apparently lasted 75 years?
mircea_popescu: there was also a circassian one presumably.
BingoBoingo: gernika: Nubian isn't West African
mircea_popescu: nubia is what used to be kush, today's sudan
mircea_popescu: "upper egypt"
shinohai: << related to mircea_popescu 's trap picture earlier
mircea_popescu: uh... what does he mean women "won't do this" ?!
trinque: what's this, trap supremacy?
mircea_popescu: i suppose the theory is that "italians have forgotten how to sing and only french royal comedy institute knows anymore"
mircea_popescu: actual argument, in actual debate, at the time of diderot & co
trinque goes to code in a van down by the river
trinque: more like vw, and more like next to it, but whatever!
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
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assbot: Russia May Ban Reddit Over Thread on 'How to Grow Narcotic Plants' ... ( )
mircea_popescu: censorsheep!
shinohai: I kek'd
shinohai: And I just got delivered a fifth of some kind of brandy.
shinohai: tasty
kakobrekla just saw a 1990 movie 'Hardware', subtitled 'you can't stop pr0gr355'
kakobrekla: goes quite well with ba theme.
kakobrekla: still on server can give link if anyone wants.
shinohai: link me, I'll save it for when I have insomnia
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kakobrekla: ill move to another boxen and leave link in public for a short while.
pete_dushenski: !s moore
assbot: 121 results for 'moore' :
assbot: Michael Moore selling spectacular Michigan lake house for $5.2M | Page Six ... ( )
trinque: truly hideous entryway
trinque: photo 13
pete_dushenski: that wallpaper looks like bad bathroom tile from the 60s
trinque: terrible.
pete_dushenski: liking the gym space but junky equipment needs a refresh
pete_dushenski: photo 35
trinque: lol @ moore having a home gym
trinque: some rooms are nice, others entirely haphazard
trinque: could be the shots
trinque: #23 makes my skin crawl
pete_dushenski: real estate photographers famously embellish
pete_dushenski: it's not really my taste either
pete_dushenski: but neither is he, so it's perhaps no surprise
trinque: yeah
assbot: Official: Ex-Top Gear team sign a deal with Amazon Video | Autocar ... ( )
pete_dushenski: tg2 looks to be only available in us and uk markets. sorry canuckians.
pete_dushenski: ftr i think that hammond, may, and clarkson are past their prime and should hang up their towels
pete_dushenski: they should be hosting daytime tv shows or something
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pete_dushenski: .mkv eh. now to find a player for this guy.
pete_dushenski: pretty sure i have vlc on an older machine, i'll make it work
kakobrekla: anyway, its not at the level of 'brazil' but had lulz
pete_dushenski: don't suppose you have brazil and can post as well
assbot: Brazil Football (Soccer) Body Paint Girl - YouTube ... ( )
trinque: brazil is one of my favorite films
assbot: Brazil 1985 Full Movie Official - YouTube ... ( )
kakobrekla: brazil i have on home server, would need to upload.
pete_dushenski: trinque: i haven't seen it myself, seen it in the logs who knows how many times
pete_dushenski: wonder if mp's done a review
pete_dushenski: ;;google brazil
gribble: The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume I on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <>; Further Argentine weird. on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <>; The Fetlife Meatlist - Volume VI on Trilema - A blog by Mircea ...: <>
phf: pete_dushenski: fyi, it's available freely on, probably can be downloaded at pipe saturation level, rather then pulling it from someone's http
kakobrekla: brazil: magnet:?xt=urn:btih:FD297C623222220A30A90D66EBAD7BFE292EA0C8&dn=brazil+1985+720p+brrip+x264+yify&
pete_dushenski: aha cheers.
pete_dushenski: i dun really torrent so i think i'll stick with the yt :)
nubbins`: kakobrekla tks for the movie!
nubbins`: been a while since i tried a mystery-viewing
nubbins`: plus i so rarely have occasion to download large files
nubbins`: it's nice to exercise the fiber, even if it seems a bit slow
nubbins`: topping out at ~3.2MB/s
kakobrekla: box is in europe
nubbins`: heh that'll do it
nubbins`: i'm probably going backwards to toronto or montreal first
nubbins`: so i had to download a font yesterday for a client project. txt file in folder says "this font was created for the first ever european furry convention"
trinque: your client's a furry, dude
trinque: where else could he have seen it?!
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( )
nubbins`: while i do own a full-body wolf suit, i've never had sex or masturbated while wearing it
Apocalyptic: kakobrekla, thanks, can you provide a sha256sum of the file ?
nubbins`: pete_dushenski mine sides
pete_dushenski: keep fit, have fun
kakobrekla: Apocalyptic 1aa710beb9f8d464756dd50a0484d60b563e2aab623aff6444b2dc4a4dccd0e2 Hardware.1990.BDRip.576P.X264.AC3-UNiQUE.mkv
pete_dushenski: << for non-canuckians who don't know the legacy of hal johnson and joanne mcleod
assbot: Body Break - Airplane Exercises (1992) - YouTube ... ( )
nubbins`: hal is not the same without the soup strainer
nubbins`: peaked at 3.3MB/s, notbadforeuro.jpg
pete_dushenski: nubbins`: i dun get it, hal lost his stache ?
nubbins`: he shaved it in recent years
nubbins`: they still make new commercials from time to time
pete_dushenski: now this is news to me
pete_dushenski: been too long since i had cable tv i guess
nubbins`: srsly, one day "who is this man standing next to joanne mcleod?"
pete_dushenski: lol "get that fraud away from that saint!"
nubbins`: fucked up hey?
pete_dushenski: o good god hal looks like a street corner fallel stand operator
pete_dushenski: "you want extra special sauce ?
nubbins`: dory tried to climb up onto my shoulders as i stood up ;/
nubbins`: maybe the most outta-focus picture i've ever taken
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trinque: dat chin tho
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mats: looks like illegal drugs mate
mats: reported
pete_dushenski: did you fill out the form ?
mats: prepare to be deported
mike_c: ;;seen Naphex
gribble: Naphex was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 0 hours, 11 minutes, and 4 seconds ago: <Naphex> clients get tracked and the rewards are sticky
pete_dushenski: mats: canada only imports
pete_dushenski: people, that is.
pete_dushenski: only natural resources are deported
mike_c: ;;later tell Naphex I may have some need for order matching code. I'd be interested in talking about btcxchange codebase sometime if you're interested
gribble: The operation succeeded.
phf: according to bitcoin script documentation "Some of the more complicated opcodes are disabled out of concern that the client might have a bug in their implementation" ( an example of disabled script OP_CAT, Concatenates two strings
Naphex: mike_c: i was just about to go to sleep but shoot me a privmsg tomorrow
mike_c: sounds good
phf: i'm either missing some hidden issues, or this literally says "some aspect of scripts are unimplemented, because memory manipulation is too hard"
mircea_popescu: no, that's what it says.
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski nah, didn't write up brazil.
pete_dushenski: i just might have to take a crack at brazil myself then
pete_dushenski: your loss !
pete_dushenski: (or the reader's loss but who cares about them ? )
asciilifeform: phf is in for a treat
asciilifeform: as he reads that thing and approaches the magic moment,
asciilifeform: where you realize 'this is a bucket of liquid shit'
mircea_popescu: <nubbins`> << is that your crochet stick ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i saw it, and i think it's great. just... writing's not automatic!
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: in this, i commiserate
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the magic moment is the part where you go "and yet unlike every other bucket of lick-a-squid shit, the maker of this one was clearly aware. wtf ?!?!"
asciilifeform: aha that one.
asciilifeform: in other non-news, steve dutch (of 'anti-intellectualism' and madagascar essay, etc) is back. with a couplea new lulz, e.g., ; and even a blog of sorts,
assbot: The Principle is Never The Principle ... ( )
assbot: Steve Dutch ... ( )
mircea_popescu: sigh, moar blogspot.
asciilifeform: the extra-lulzy 'meta' aspect of this is that the fella is becoming more and more of an open, frothing defender of usg-in-all-of-its-glory, e.g.,
assbot: Why Vietnam and Afghanistan Matter ... ( )
mircea_popescu: and .HTM like it's 1993 and microsoft dreamweaver, and "Failed to connect to server. The reason may be that the encryption methods supported by the server are not enabled in the security preferences." and aww.
asciilifeform: htm-like-93 is prolly the one nice thing that can be said
asciilifeform: i wish folks would txt like it's '83, personally
asciilifeform: but perhaps that's just me.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i dislike capitalised extensions
mircea_popescu: must be idiosincrasia officinalis.
asciilifeform: idk, they evoke nostalgic msdos in my mind
asciilifeform: but only if precisely 3 characters.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23949 @ 0.00060086 = 14.39 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: ^ for anyone else who 'failed to connect to server'
ben_vulpes: oh lookie
ben_vulpes: i'm about 3.6klols behind
ben_vulpes: and no time to catch up yet this week
mats: such an obsession with feces here
assbot: wants to unmask Bitcoin transactions and has raised $1 million in funding. : Bitcoin ... ( )
asciilifeform: how long has it been since sc4mz0rz quit doing the most elementary homework to see if other, larger and better-connected sc4mz0rz are pulling the same scam already ?
asciilifeform: (or is it a 'little fleas' situation?)
assbot: Cache Template Attacks: Automating Attacks on Inclusive Last-Level Caches | USENIX ... ( )
asciilifeform: 'SABR is seeking engineers with deep interest and experience in blockchain-based technologies who are prepared to devote their career to making a positive impact while being continuously intellectually challenged.' << am i the only one who sees a second parse for this sentence ??
asciilifeform: '... while being continuously intellectually challenged.'
Apocalyptic: I guess that's about right
mircea_popescu reads one
asciilifeform: 'intellectually challenged' is '90s-usg-speak for 'tard'
mircea_popescu: "Ultimately it's undergirded by one of the great intellectual fallacies of modern times, the obsession with structure as opposed to content. If structure is all important, then if two conflicts have similar structure, they are similar."
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, I heard it's now rude to say "blind" in the us, one must say "visually challenged"
asciilifeform: mats: iirc inria had a cycle-and-cache-accurate x86 emulator. might be up your alley.
mircea_popescu: "In fact, most people are out of their depth in a mud puddle."
mircea_popescu: "Mostly it's laziness (or shallowness) and an attempt to seize the moral high ground. It's hard to defend specific issues when you're confronted by someone who simply rejects your basic premises. How do you find out what lines of argument they would find persuasive? (Hint: ask them. Say "what exactly would you accept as proof that I'm right?" Most of the time they don't have a clue, because most people only think about
mircea_popescu: why they're right, not how they might be wrong.)"
mircea_popescu: amusingly enough, for all the people who have all sorts of malformed opinions, cvasi-ideas and ready judgement about "how mp is!11" stemming out of some sort of emotional knee jerk over me not caring for whatever pet peeve of theirs, NONE to date has actually tried the "hey mp, what'd it take to convince you feminists are not retarded children and socialism is really the path to go!"
mircea_popescu: but hey, i wait.
asciilifeform: 'goblins don't craft weapons'
asciilifeform: (tm) (r) (mircea_popescu)
mircea_popescu: not even a weapon. they also don't craft houses, or water pipes.
asciilifeform: [insert the take about a girl walking by plumber in geyser of shit]
mats: asciilifeform: cool
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla did ddos move over to logs ?
mircea_popescu: nm back now. i swear it was dead for a coupl;a minutes
asciilifeform: prolly folks pulling the l333337 w4r3z
asciilifeform: (linked earlier)
phf: part of upcoming mp vs. mpaa
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: any chance we might see log1 again in the near future ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform except they weren't also hosted ?
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i dun recall what the problem was with it, i think it mostly fell through the cracks for lack of pressing need. the server's up at any rate.
asciilifeform: ~shrug~ ask kako
assbot: Steve Dutch: Too Dumb to Run a Lemonade Stand ... ( )
mats: this penning's thing is turning out to be as much work as the rest of the key server comined
asciilifeform: penning ?
asciilifeform: mats is trapping charged particles ?
mats: Maintains the strong set, displays some statistics as to it in the manner of Penning's thing [] <<
asciilifeform: ah, that.
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: iirc you pointed the finger at kako and he pointed it back at you. in any event, i'd like to see it back up. never know when said pressing need might arise.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is the lemonade stand <=> dope slinging ?
asciilifeform: lulzier
asciilifeform: he was pissing on 'mba'
mircea_popescu: mats oh, yeah. that.
asciilifeform: (popular scapegoat in usa)
mircea_popescu: it will be epic tho.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud Obama Derangement Syndrome
gribble: | Obama's positions better reflect the change and new direction that the American people have been calling for, but those with Obama Derangement Syndrome ...
mircea_popescu: strangely enough, the dsm-ud did not have a heading for "bush-reactive psychopathy"
pete_dushenski: sounds like a krugman term
assbot: Log In - The New York Times ... ( )
pete_dushenski: "Out there in the real world, none of the disasters their party predicted have actually come to pass. President Obama just keeps failing to fail. And that’s a big problem for the G.O.P. — even bigger than Donald Trump."
mircea_popescu: "Hey, who wouldn't vote for Morgan Freeman? Obama is unabashedly liberal, intelligent, and acts like he knows it. He's "uppity." People who think they're superior run headlong into someone who is superior, and they don't like it."
mircea_popescu: check it out ?!
assbot: Steve Dutch: The Most Evil People in American History ... ( )
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i rarely get to read folk who at the same time seem able to find their way out of a paper bag and actually believe obama similarly could.
mircea_popescu: is this played straight ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you dig, dig, turns out herr dutch has a little seekrit
asciilifeform: well, not quite
asciilifeform: but apparently he's somewhat of a... catholic apologist, in the old school.
asciilifeform: didn't know they made those any more.
mircea_popescu: but i mean... sure, he's uppity. i have yet to see a sign of intelligence.
asciilifeform: hence the combo of 'brain' but 'wtf'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how's that relate to hm.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i kinda don't look at that part, because plenty of orthodox nuts otherwise very intelligent.
mircea_popescu: also a few jews with the same odd behaviour.
asciilifeform not a shrink. but, on reflection, has seen this before.
asciilifeform: 'You did virtually nothing to create the conveniences you enjoy. The retirement plan 300 years ago was: get up, go to work, come home, go to bed, repeat. Then one day, you didn't get up because you were dead. ' << mega-clairvoyant! knows my retirement plan!
assbot: Steve Dutch: Forget Third Parties: We Need a Fourth Party, (And Why We Won't Get One) ... ( )
mircea_popescu: i beg to differ.
mircea_popescu: i am not a person in the sense of this rootless, hopeless lotus floating on a sea that somehow is owned byu "the state".
asciilifeform: then to herr dutch you are a dragon and don't exist
asciilifeform: naturally.
mircea_popescu: i am the proud result of an endless line that predates all states, and the fucking lake, the lake's bottom, and the core of the earth are mine.
mircea_popescu: so... take teh "oh you didn't create" talk an' dangle.
mircea_popescu: no state ever created anything. it was another mircea that carried the fucking head of the turk pasha after that one failed crusade when all of europe ran off and the us wasn't invented yet.
asciilifeform: dutch (damn it why do i have to run this fella under emulation..) would prolly answer 'you and what nuke'
mircea_popescu: and so there.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, but i care what he asks like i care what the mosquito buzzes.
mircea_popescu: he'd better buzz out of range, if it knows what's good for its retirement plan.
asciilifeform is reading these words to the tune of a million actual mosquitoes. somehow appropriate
mircea_popescu: you know they don't seem to exist here ?
asciilifeform: we have'em here: large, small, all sizes
mircea_popescu: fucking insane, river, swamp, the works.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: and the ones that did exist, could not bite me!
asciilifeform: srsly wtf
asciilifeform: folks kept swatting'em but apparently nobody - iirc - bitten
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ? mod6 ? any of you went home with mosquito bite ?
mircea_popescu: they are kinda incredibly derpy.
mircea_popescu: Conservatives oppose abortion but are okay with war and capital punishment. (So am I - I think everyone in the capital deserves to be punished)
mircea_popescu: better watch out alf, he's coming for you.
asciilifeform already in pretty good punishment just by living here
mod6: <+asciilifeform> ben_vulpes ? mod6 ? any of you went home with mosquito bite ? << heheh. i might have gotten a bite or two. i paid them back ~10x iirc.
nubbins`: nah i don't crochet
nubbins`: i think that was a lens flare
mod6: where i live these things are not just a nuisance like in .ar, but ubiquitous
asciilifeform: almost thick enough to walk on, here.
mod6: heheheh
mod6: 'tis one of the reasons i enjoyed camping in the west so much, back east the mosquitoes try to carry you away.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform install filtyers, make diesel ?
mircea_popescu: "More specifically, nobody wants a meritocracy based on actual accomplishment. What both camps really want is a meritocracy of values, that is, an aristocracy in which position is dictated by attitude and conduct."
mircea_popescu: heh. usians don't want to work no more. news at 99:99
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: for all i know, my tank is full of precisely mosquito petrol even now.
mircea_popescu: "hola nos quedamos sin trabajo mi esposo y yo y busco ayuda economica a cambio de sex para asi poder ahorrar algo y poner un negocio soy ama de casa no modelo ni profecional en esto soy bajita 36 años"
mircea_popescu: definitely a new one.
asciilifeform: ^ brendafdez ?
mircea_popescu: (housewife wants money to get sex change operation to earn money to start a business)
asciilifeform: mega-inv3stm3nt.
mircea_popescu: this has got to be some sort of very specialised praying on aging usian expats.
mircea_popescu: it makes no sense outside of "a collection of fetishes liable to drive a 60 yo protestant dude with money"
asciilifeform: oughtn't it be in the king's inglisch then ?
mircea_popescu: maybe that's a giveaway
asciilifeform: 'You eat food you didn't grow and in many cases have no idea where it came from or what it looks like in nature. You rely on elaborate machines to get you places, but have no idea how they work. If your car stops, you have no idea what went wrong or what to do to fix it. In many cases, there is nothing you personally can do. To travel long distances you get into a big flying tube that leaves you completely at the mercy of othe
asciilifeform: r people. Your illnesses are treated by people who speak a language you don't understand and who give you little nondescript pills containing who knows what? Everything in your house connects to outlets in the wall that supply electricity created by processes you don't understand. You are reading this on a device that might as well be populated by fairies for all you know. And when something pops up saying you have a virus or
asciilifeform: the FBI has caught you downloading illegal material, you don't have a clue what to do. ... ... Most Americans are like that, kept alive and prosperous only through the exertions of people more productive, inventive and generous than they are. The productive view them not so much as loathsome insects, as puppies who will eventually go to the pound if they pee on the rug too often.'
asciilifeform: (dutch)
mircea_popescu: in this vein : went to pharmacy here, told pharmacist what i want, he went and fetched. cox-2 inhibitor, no prescription needed becasuse the criteria in argentina is "do you speak the language ? if not, get someone who does to write what you need down for you"
mircea_popescu: but i happen to speak that language.
asciilifeform: iirc banned by usg
asciilifeform: who still makes them ?
asciilifeform: (india?)
mircea_popescu: msotly banned because the idiots prescribed them like they prescribe anything, "forever", and they don't work forever.
mircea_popescu: but still unparalleled for extemporaneous intervention.
asciilifeform: how will pharma execs snort coke from golden toilets if prescribing were not forever, aha
mircea_popescu: and this was produced by merck. for "export", ie, "to be sold in sane countries"
asciilifeform: how will predatory castes of lawyers, 'social workerz', etc. eat
mircea_popescu: 30 bux, 28 pills.
mircea_popescu: for their effectual purpose, good for a decade or more.
asciilifeform: like most pharma
mircea_popescu: meanwhile usians with the same sort of problem get substandard care in the shape of cox-1&2 inhibitors in massive dossage.
asciilifeform: (the exceptions are few and generally well-documented)
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mircea_popescu: (if anyone is curious - yes the pharmacist tested me. he asked "what dosage ?" and i said uh... 100... maybe 50, no, not really. 80 ? turns out he had 60, 90 and 120. because 50 is not really quite enough and 100 is maybe a little too much, but if those are the options go for 100
mircea_popescu: and once i knew that, he had no further questions)
asciilifeform: what of classical dopes, of the 'down' or 'up' kinds, either
asciilifeform: also sold for the asking ?
mircea_popescu: not usually carried.
mircea_popescu: they're petrified of "insecuridad" these folks. like they live with the vikings or something.
mircea_popescu: you'l lhave to get it at a major hospital.
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asciilifeform once visited a shop, not far from home, which sold gigantic safes. most of the pre-owned units were from pharmacies, and some had catalogues of the contents still glued to inside of door
mircea_popescu: safe, like fighter jet , is not the whole story.
asciilifeform: naturally.
mircea_popescu: and the people who actually have the whole story do not reaslly employ safes
mircea_popescu: or at least a story on my blog tends to support this theory.
asciilifeform: the safes existed to begin with on account of usg fiat
asciilifeform: (the drugs are cheap and their theft is no serious loss to the shop)
mircea_popescu: you recall, the whores.
asciilifeform: which whores
assbot: Spargatorii si curva on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu. ... ( )
asciilifeform: 'One of the juicier scientific scandals of recent times involves Dutch psychologist Diederik Stapel, who admitted to fabricating many of his research results. A full list of Stapel's falsified articles hasn't been published, but the titles of some of his articles (some of which may not be tainted) offer insights. The article that outed him was "Coping with Chaos: How Disordered Contexts Promote Stereotyping and Discrimination.
asciilifeform: " ... ... Lots of emphasis on stereotyping, how we construct reality, and so on. Nothing that challenges the basic assumptions of social scientists at all. And that's really how he got away with it. He reported what his colleagues expected to see. ... There are probably tons of articles in the scientific literature based on faked data, and undetected because the results were uncontroversial. There are many more where data were
asciilifeform: filtered or fudged but which remain undetected because the end results were correct. Still more contain honest errors that went undetected because the overall results were valid or the error was peripheral to the main point of the paper.'
mircea_popescu: where "uncontroversial" = fit the political agenda
asciilifeform: how else.
mircea_popescu: like "global warming" flavour of "uncontroversial". like lysenko "uncontroversial"
mircea_popescu: like psychological school of moscow "uncontroversial". asshats.
asciilifeform: (there is also the 'impenetrably obscure' flavour of 'uncontroversy')
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mircea_popescu: anwyay, lest we be too harsh on the social pseudoscientists that gotta eat,
mircea_popescu: one must remember the fabled charge of the electorn measurements.
mircea_popescu: people are just assholes, is all.
asciilifeform: that's kinda the one i think of automatically
asciilifeform: and incidentally just about every serious field has own millikan
asciilifeform: or three
asciilifeform: almost a pons asinorum for basic literacy in $subject - 'name the millikans.'
asciilifeform: (one can debate whether it is proper to speak of a millikan in a subject without experimentals, like mathematics. but overall anybody who fogs brains with his auctoritas while even in the grave, is a millikan)
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