BingoBoingo: True shame Hastings didn't live long enough to make the target on his back more vivid by flirting with #b-a
BingoBoingo: "The project began after Don Bolles, a reporter for The Arizona Republic who had been investigating ties between organized crime and politicians, was killed by a car bomb on June 13, 1976. Mr. Bolles had been a founding member of Investigative Reporters and Editors, a national organization that Mr. Greene had helped start."
BingoBoingo: "Motorcycle Gangs" is USG code for blessed sons of the DEA. Nearly all their contemporary membership is eather hobbyist medical pros or former Law enforcement
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BingoBoingo: The law enforcement - Biker gang connection even leaks into USG blessed pop culture from time to time.
BingoBoingo: "If the subject's personal habits make it feasible, alcohol may be used [very successfully] to prepare him for a contrived accident of any kind." << FU Hoover
BingoBoingo: Hastings may very well have simply pushed his luck one too many times with reckless behavior. In true Hunter S. Thompson fashion. Even then it would still be interesting to know what he was working on. A lesson for acoyltes of the press? << Thompson preserved his live by straddling the edge of credibility. "To weird to die" was likely both his motto and official USG policy.
BingoBoingo: "The project began after Don Bolles, a reporter for The Arizona Republic who had been investigating ties between organized crime and politicians, was killed by a car bomb on June 13, 1976. Mr. Bolles had been a founding member of Investigative Reporters and Editors, a national organization that Mr. Greene had helped start." << If Mr. Bolles has a known propensity for peyote and cocaine he likely could have avoided this fate whil
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BingoBoingo: USG though always operates under the assumption Nixon era "Drugs once damaged forever" cridibility doctrine holds
BingoBoingo: By this form a tab of LSD to asciilifeform may extend his life a decade, or USG whims could change
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phf: i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something?
BingoBoingo: He published in book form a bunch of shit he got being one of the few people Nixon could talk Football with
BingoBoingo: USG, I will send you to Kismet and I will eat your soul
phf: is that the Campaign Trail '72 one?
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BingoBoingo: I gave my copy to some girl I fancied at the time which was not the girl I fancied at the time who would have appreciated it.
phf: i've lost a lot of good books that way
BingoBoingo is nothing if not arbitrary in lightening his shelves
phf: it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again
BingoBoingo: I am actually not sure to this day if that girl is literate herself.
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mircea_popescu: <mats> i chatted up a cutie at the farmers market today << win.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform> 'they' are the single, solitary source of all things even vaguely resembling that which they claim to defend against. << who, the soviets ?
BingoBoingo: WWIII was a necessary involvement for the Yankees. One that strengthened the South immeasurably.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform linked cryptome article badly stitched together effort of random derp to get his name out there ?
mircea_popescu: <phf> i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no.
mircea_popescu: and similarly moore's mostly an opportunist. nevertheless, they represent the neverending hope of the countless christine wiigs out there, between fargo and paris (wi) that they to one day could be famous!
mircea_popescu: <phf> it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again << seriously, giving women books is fucktarded. either order her to buy and read it, or forget it.
pete_dushenski: not that i have any real love lost for ghostbusters movies, but the cartoons...
mircea_popescu: this "giving" bs is like lifting kids up to the basketball hoop. pointless and boring.
mircea_popescu loved both cow&chicken and animaniacs. not THAT generational.
pete_dushenski: i definitely enjoyed animaniacs and pinky and the brain, never watched much cow&chick
wilbns: ducktales, gummy bears and talespin over here.
mircea_popescu: if you ever want to introduce a kid to surrealism, c&c is the way to go.
mircea_popescu: plus exactly the right brand of anarchic anti-authoritarian, sexually innuendo-ian and so forth
trinque: I still re-watch ren & stimpy time to time
pete_dushenski: 'the real ghostbusters' (cartoon) was developed by columbia pictures and 'dic entertainment'. i'm not sure that it was any good, more that the siren sound of the car as played in the theme song was really rather memorable
mircea_popescu: it's a pity they took southpark the route of this hot topic "let's stand in front random news event of the week"
trinque: indeed. clearly wanted to cash in and go do broadway
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: i'm taking notes here on cartoonz for kidz, so keep 'em comin.
trinque: r&s is imo an excellent satire of various common american mental illnesses
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski it's a great show, starting maybe about 5-6-7 or so but be prepared to support the kid by not being a hypocrite cop-out sorta parent. which always sounds a lot easier than it turns out to be
wilbns: mircea_popescu: haha, yes, exactly, that was my favorite candy as a kid which is why i liked the cartoon
trinque now has the duck tales theme stuck in head
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> <phf> it's not like you end up giving out trash, i lose books that i then have to buy again << seriously, giving women books is fucktarded. either order her to buy and read it, or forget it. << Been a decade and months since my mistake. Recognized when I wanted to see them again.
mircea_popescu: saw the film of that thing, because hot chick. was thoroughly disappointed.
wilbns: didn't see the movie, but there was all kinds of wacked out stuff happening in the cartoon. that was the first time i think i saw two animated characters getting it on w/ each other
trinque: didn't see the film, but now I can see wanting to
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BingoBoingo: Oh, liberast twist in "Cinderella Man" is wife doesn't want him to risk it for the children
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assbot: Logged on 10-08-2015 22:33:31; *: shinohai has a startac in the closet somewhere ....
wilbns: fell off a roof onto my hip which had that phone clipped to it, no problem. accidentally put in a cup of whisky and coke, no problem.
mircea_popescu: The music-and if possible it should be the same music for everybody-is the most important ingredient. Its function is to prevent thought and conversation, and to shut out any natural sound, such as the song of birds or the whistling of the wind, that might otherwise intrude. The radio is already consciously used for this purpose by innumerable people. In very many English homes the radio is literally never turned off,
mircea_popescu: though it is manipulated from time to time so as to make sure that only light music will come out of it. I know people who will keep the radio playing all through a meal and at the same time continue talking just loudly enough for the voices and the music to cancel out. This is done with a definite purpose. The music prevents the conversation from becoming serious or even coherent, while the chatter of voices stops one
mircea_popescu: from listening attentively to the music and thus prevents the onset of that dreaded thing, thought. For:
BingoBoingo: How did "Million Dollar Baby" get acclaim and "Cincerella Man" didn't
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes: did you have any 'absolute path' issues when setting up coracle ? i still haven't overcome this issue with my rotor attempts
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hanbot: <mircea_popescu> what did jobs "invent" again ? << elective lobotomies with moar rounded corners
BingoBoingo: And Bitc wife comes to when she realizes only one outcome lets her live
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fluffypony: As the new owner of this account I have removed any feedback left by the previous owner as a courtesy before I sell the account.
fluffypony: PLEASE DO NOT REMOVE YOUR FEEDBACK AS IT IS HISTORICAL AND A REMINDER TO ALL TO BE CAREFUL.
fluffypony: This account is being sold soon, so please do not trust anyone on this account who says they are the original woodcollector.
mircea_popescu: is the new owner advising people against trusting the new owner ?
mircea_popescu: apparently obamacare doesn't make the lithium strong enough anymore.
pete_dushenski: "Vox Media, a publishing house for the digital age, has landed a $200 million strategic investment from the entertainment group NBCUniversal"
mircea_popescu: nothing nbc bought in the past 2-12-20 billion has turned out worth anything
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: what else has nbc bought in the last 5 years ?
BingoBoingo contemplates selling BTCTalk account and entering a deed of sold in the bot, but...
BingoBoingo likes the hollywood dichotomy of break your neck on a stool vs. buy a house in Jersey
pete_dushenski: 30 rock might actually be the last tv show i watched that had me in stitches
mircea_popescu: sadly stitches are not a unit of account, pete_dushenski
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: it probably grosses a couple million a year ? leaving a net of a few hundred k, i'd wager
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: btw, what's the going rate for online ads these days ? sounds like cpm is dead, but do you know 'average' cpc off-hand ?
pete_dushenski: i'm trolling a local newsrag and need to know how far to take my schtick :)
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> sadly stitches are not a unit of account, pete_dushenski << Seriosly NBC is too poor to film police dramas in NYC. Hence "Chicago PD"
mircea_popescu: it's about the same as buying "seer advice". you can pay as much as you want to, but you should buy the cheapest.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> heh yeah, what's "30 rock" gross ? << SNL, but "retired"
mircea_popescu: (usually cheapest here means - just get someone to edit your apache server logs)
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pete_dushenski: BingoBoingo: they can always film in chicago and call it nyc, throw in some pixels so no one notices
BingoBoingo: The same way ESPN is mostly "athletes" but "retired"
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Not really. Middle America will know
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: If any part of the "Chicago River" is in a frame most of use can smell it.
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: But take comfort. The "Chicago River" is a 21st century open sewer
BingoBoingo: Not long ago they pointed it away from Lake Michigan
BingoBoingo: How long ago is up to debate. Good metrics suggest most of it still goes to Lake Michigan.
mircea_popescu: "a chity so chic its name even starts with chicloaca maxima!"
BingoBoingo: In the native language of the displaced folk, apparently Chicago meant "place that reeks of onion"
BingoBoingo: Instead of bury your cheese to keep it safe Chicago was more... Like a FUPA
BingoBoingo: I have a fat acquaintence who moved to Shitcago. His fellow probationers are a harder and less human sort than he did rehab with here.
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BingoBoingo: Dude has a future though, he made himself some Jew Lawyer's pet.
Vexual: doesnt need to buy a coat
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BingoBoingo: The lawyer who has taken custody of my planetary acquainance is a good person though. I trust she will keep him safe. Her political opinions are close to Pete's except for the Bitcoin is going to burn the world part.
BingoBoingo looks at the varied IRL contacts Bingo has been polite enough to introduce to BTC and wonder whether too soon or wrong target leaning towards the latter.
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cazalla: still catching up on logs so sorry if repost
cazalla: ah shit, not more than 10 lines later and i see shinohai beat me to it
shinohai: nw, it's kinda old news on my part realy that Lenovo has been exploiting UEFI
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cazalla:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1236757 <<< can vouch for this.. the 80 year old guy over the fence is always inviting me over to just stroll into his backyard and take what i want.. tools, veggies, whatever, help yourself he says but he is also a little senile so i've not taken up the offer lest he call the police because some intruder is in the backyard
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 02:44:41; BingoBoingo: And if you really need access to dirt to garden make friends with old people.
cazalla: guy's a barber too but just like his offer to take what i want from his backyard, i turn down offers for haircut and straight razor shave
shinohai: I am almost ashamed to addmit I will converse with this old Mexican lady for up to an hour just because I love her damned pepper garden.
shinohai: I usually leave with a bundle of cilantro and onions too
shinohai: Literally tons of it growing around her place. I wish she grew pot.
cazalla: i've got a couple chillis to go in this spring - anaheim and royal black
cazalla: tomatoes i've got planned are black cherry, mary italian and sweetie
shinohai: I buy tomatoes at farmers market usually.
cazalla: not convinced such markets are actually selling the product they claim to be
cazalla: there was some media attention to that effect just a few months ago here.. imported chinese garlic sold as australia.. fucking food labelling here is so awful that you cannot know what comes from where.. example "made in australia from local and imported ingredients"
cazalla: another trick is to import chinese grown produce into australia by way of new zealand so can smack a "made in new zealand" label on it
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shinohai: Here in the Southern US you can identify the real deal easily. The have crude signs that advertise their produce with the most horrific spelling possible.
shinohai: Usually camped out within a few yards of actual gardens xD
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assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 06:38:31; *: BingoBoingo contemplates selling BTCTalk account and entering a deed of sold in the bot, but...
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shinohai: BingoBoingo: who are you on btctalk again?
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assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:04; mircea_popescu: asciilifeform linked cryptome article badly stitched together effort of random derp to get his name out there ?
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 04:55:16; mircea_popescu: <phf> i thought Thompson was mostly a polemicist, are there any articles of his where he successfully "blows a lid" off something? << no.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 06:48:16; assbot: Economies and corporations explained using cows - Album on Imgur ... (
http://bit.ly/1Nc0fRJ )
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 05:01:16; wilbns: ducktales, gummy bears and talespin over here.
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pete_dushenski: shinohai: wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, i took rotor by the hand, turned him around and - miracle of miracles - led him to the promised land !
funkenstein_: "For man only stays human by preserving large patches of simplicity in his life, while the tendency of many modern inventions-in particular the film, the radio and the aeroplane-is to weaken his consciousness, dull his curiosity, and, in general, drive him nearer to the animals."
shinohai: I liked this morning article as well. You may have noticed I fumbled the syntax.
funkenstein_: The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it?
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: lol cheers. i'm sorta surprised i didn't need more help than i did
pete_dushenski: cool. i'm currently wandering through 'inside the whale'
funkenstein_: wow that looks like a mega-review, consistent with his recommendation for book reviewers linked earlier :)
funkenstein_: I must say the rotor is a software release like no other I have seen, yes very deterministic
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_ speaking of nothing, are you still blogging much ? and what was the name of your site again ?
funkenstein_: perhaps in some way similar to simply passing around a massive virtual machine file (yes I'm fishing for a correction on this)
funkenstein_: I've been busy but got several pieces started and torn up ;)
funkenstein_: I am hoping you will still be able to contravex us regulary even with new arrivals :)
funkenstein_: frass.woodcoin.org <-- another place I display my ignorance from time to time
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pete_dushenski: ;;later tell williamdunne can we see about having frass.woodcoin.org to scoopy's roster ? please and thanks
pete_dushenski: funkenstein_: i imagine that contravex posts will either become shorter or slightly less frequent, but we shall see
pete_dushenski: it may go back to the 2-3 per week it was in its first ~6 months before it ramped up to the current 4-5 per week
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu:"The IsStandard() rules have been almost completely removed for P2SH redemption scripts"
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pete_dushenski: "Imagine for a second that you see a great street juggler. He deserves a token of your appreciation. However instead of putting a hat out, he puts a sign up:"
pete_dushenski: "Thanks for your support! Please drive to E.Bumfuck, Ontario on Tuesday between 2 and 3 pm to make a donation, where we accept Disneyland Tickets or Hershey Park rain-date vouchers."
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assbot: Intel left a fascinating security flaw in its chips for 16 years – here's how to exploit it • The Register ... (
http://bit.ly/1NsN0tX )
pete_dushenski: if this doesn't have you hunting the local classifieds for amd opterons and fxes, i dunno what will
pete_dushenski: "The good news is that Intel spotted the howler in its processor blueprints, and corrected the issue: chips built from January 2011 and onwards (Sandy Bridge Core CPUs and later) are not affected. " << highly suspicious
pete_dushenski: "old intel products like all old computing hardware is unsafe at any speed. please to upgrade to latest blackbox for maximal safety and suckoority"
pete_dushenski: "When the Pentium Pro (a P6 family chip) arrived in 1995, Intel allowed kernel-level developers to reprogram the local APIC so that it would appear elsewhere in physical memory. This was handy for moving the local APIC out of the way of low-level software that expected to use that high 0xFEE00000 address for something else."
pete_dushenski: asciilifeform: so amd is no cure for this nonsense ? and i'm guessing ppc is in the same boat ?
pete_dushenski: "So Domas looked through Intel's sample SMM code, which is provided to firmware vendors to bake into motherboards. It turns out that pretty much all vendors use Intel's template SMM code."
phf: seems reminiscent of bios virii from back then. "if you boot this floopy..! well, no shit"
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:44:54; pete_dushenski: shinohai: wonder of wonder, miracle of miracles, i took rotor by the hand, turned him around and - miracle of miracles - led him to the promised land !
pete_dushenski: and with that, i'm off to have my weary joints and hulking muscles massaged good and proper. adieu !
BingoBoingo has a feeling asciilifeform could be the entire speaker slate at blackhat with things known since time immemorial. A few years ago I thought things being presented were novel. Now I look at the program and see loads of snore.
phf: asciilifeform: i think that's a standard blackhat fair. i think the useful part is another cubbyhole to put rootkit fallback hooks, but it's presented like an earth shattering revelation, because
BingoBoingo: Seems people finally got the memo that if you find it you can sell it.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it << You have well founded suspicions of what happens to the unannoited who sell
phf: i think you have higher expectation of what should be coming out of security conferences. toorcon, schmoocon, defcon, blackhat (though i always though bh is like a grownup version) always seemed like a poc||gtfo in a face-to-face with beer format
phf: when was that exactly? because i stopped following infosec in 2003 (i think last toorcon i've been to was 2005) and looking at it now not much has changed. the releases are definitely a lot less interesting, because of the 0day market, but when i ragequit it was the same shit. weak releases by pushy guys in faux military gear as a norm, occasional interesting stuff from the usual suspects and practically negative desire to come up with systemati
phf: c solutions that address problems at the core
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phf: i dunno, i think people sit on a lot of denial of service, but developing that to a working exploit takes time and unhealthy level of juvenile ocd.
mats: there is no systematic solution to be had
mats: just shrinking the attack surface a bit.
phf: i think that's the biggest advantage NSA has incidentally, because they can print money, they can probably just spin up a team for every single "core dump on a funny input" and bring it to a point where it'll successfully eat a shellcode. older salaried reversers simply don't have time or desire for that sort of stuff. that's in software world anyway.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 16:43:50; mats: there is no systematic solution to be had
mats: the problems phf speaks of, which I imagine are endemic vulns in software
mats: burn the thing to the ground, I know
phf: mats: there's a systematic solution to an entire class of problems. in the poor people world perl "solved" buffer overflows on string input by closing the abstraction leak, meanwhile introducing its own leaky abstraction, i.e. string injection attacks. the solution to that problem was known for 50 years now, specifically structured/validated data
mats: as I think more about it, there may yet be a software solution... will share later. asciilifeform will not like it - this involves, inevitably, a multitude of mitigations
mats: this is the ship we got, and its underway. for those on it, the holes must be plugged; we cannot return to port and build anew
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assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:56:38; funkenstein_: perhaps in some way similar to simply passing around a massive virtual machine file (yes I'm fishing for a correction on this)
phf: a deployment strategy in that case could be qemu-x86 -hda bitcoind.img -hdb /dev/blockchain_drive
phf: add OP_SIGVERIFY as an intel instruction :)
phf: turdels all the way down
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mats: anyway, as phf says, it is of course possible to kill certain classes of vulns in C, be it memory mgmt to fix corruption, strncpy and the _s functions from MS for known, fixed size destinations, properly strict coding conventions, reducing attack surface with sandboxing e.g. NaCl, and full SFI/CFI
mats: this works better than suggesting folks write code in ocaml, erlang, haskell, etc...
mats: and more reasonable than casting sailors to islands filled with savages
mats: i didn't say that. but _the cost of attack can still be substantially increased_
mats: we have fences nao. but, what if 萬里長城 can be had?
mats: dunno man. maybe i'm lost in the matrix.
mats: hey, i've maintained that its about increasing cost. not preventing the barbarians from entering.
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mats: well, sure. like a detective or a physician, folks attempting to write secure applications begin from a position of weakness. and rarely win.
mats: there are criminals to catch and people to save, regardless
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assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: sheath, you have traded places with the *pederasti* - now you are sighted, and they are blind. Now you no longer struggle in the darkness with something foggy and omnipresent, which softly absorbs every blow - instead, you can now clearly make out a pathetic piece of shit, which has smeared itself over the most important part - the eyes - of a large and powerful man. You can now deal blows, directly s
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: results - and from this comes strength; the fight now turns, from a draining, futile floundering - to a merry, wrathful clobbering of a dying vermin, who with us - men - has nothing whatsoever in common. But it all begins - with nonparticipation.' (Беркем аль Атоми, articles. translation mine.)
phf: не верьне бойся не проси
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phf: mats: well, i actually meant the opposite. classes of attacks can be eliminated by not using c. i think that majority of the attacks come from leaky abstractions. there's no <string> in c, but there's a null terminated memory region. there's no <sql> in perl, but there's a character array with sql text in it. one of the solutions is to plug abstraction holes on a level of the language, in such a way that you can't not use improved abstractions
phf: e.g. sql_execute takes character arrays. if your sql_execute took ASTs instead, well, in that case you can't violate the assumptions of the abstraction
phf: traditional infosec solution to problems like that is a proactive bandaid and then yelling at people for not using bandaid appropriately
mircea_popescu: phf iirc this theory was variously tried and failed to deliver.
mircea_popescu: it turns out that the sort of people who write good code write it in asm for a z80 or in c
phf: in the sql example, it's sql_execute('select * from ' + sql_var_sanitize(variable)). naturally people keep forgetting the sql_var_sanitize
mircea_popescu: so the solution remains to plug the holes in the heads. either alf style, with bullets, or else wot style, or somehow unknown yet.
assbot: Did anyone take Mircea Popescu's offer? He'd need more than 25000 BTC to settle his bet now... : ethtrader ... (
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mircea_popescu: but i liked the part about "he abandoned twitter so is no longer reachable"
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the top google result for i will pay for your tits is still me.
ag3nt_zer0: asciilifeform: a while back we were having an exchange about tienanmen and it's relation (or non) to the fall of the wall... I have looked a bit in the direction you indicated but haven't found so much... you got any rcommended paths for that ?
mats: tiananmen sq literally does not matter to anybody but english readers
phf: mircea_popescu: yeah, i've not reevaluated it since the last time i thought it, which was 2005 or so
mircea_popescu: phf don't get me wrong, i'd love for it to work. i'd also love for the "not beating kids makes them smarter" and "all education should consist of is encouragement" nonsense to work.
mircea_popescu: ag3nt_zer0 you have to understand that this entire "market" thing is more of a DoS thing than a local thing. there isn't a substantial similarity between ukraina and china that makes both appear in the press you read as "so and so square".
mircea_popescu: the notion that people in china dislike their government to any degree is not unlike claiming that there's going to be a peasant revolt that'll shoot stalin', where stalin' = stalin - 99.9% of the killings.
mircea_popescu: it's rank nonsense, they love it (perhaps for good reason) like you love washington.
mircea_popescu: but re the languages thing : both ru and cn have ~their own~ idiot matrices.
phf: mircea_popescu: my russian education was downright abusive by u.s. standards. or you're talking eton style mandatory beatings?
mircea_popescu: right after the 90s these "englightened" folks started to pop up, usually looking just like steve jobs
mircea_popescu: one of the fringes of "intellectual" throughout the period.
phf: no, my school was ran by a strong georgian woman pretty much on her terms. 35A 35B starting classes were reduced to 12A 15B by 12th grade, through gentle "your kid is just not right for this place. i suggest you remove him, because it might get very HARD for him to study here very soon"
mircea_popescu: well, specifically what triggered me was the proposition that "this man that is doing a bad job would do a better job weith better tools"
mircea_popescu: the societal consensus being at the time that "to the best worker belong the best tools"
mircea_popescu: this was a major thought cleavage, which i noticed at the time, and i noticed that people were actually visibly... peculiar about other things.
ag3nt_zer0: okay thanks for the byzantine feedback
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 09:36:42; cazalla: guy's a barber too but just like his offer to take what i want from his backyard, i turn down offers for haircut and straight razor shave
mircea_popescu: poor old guy, gets isolated because people are getting incredibly weirder, and then when he tries to break out that's grounds for further isolation ?
mircea_popescu: roast a fuckjing rabbit take it over or something sane.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 09:59:16; shinohai: Here in the Southern US you can identify the real deal easily. The have crude signs that advertise their produce with the most horrific spelling possible.
mircea_popescu: 'malignant twerp will level more houses with bulldozer than with spade'
ag3nt_zer0: on another note I was doing some reading on the history of astrology yesterday and came across the "fact" that originally, in mesopotamia, what became astrology began as a simple catalog of omens, reflected in "if this, then that" statements... this avenue was state-sponsered too... just got me thinking of the "evolution" of this logic and how these same statements are now applied to exclusively reductionist pragmatic mat
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phf: mircea_popescu: i see the parallels, yeah i was insulated from that sort of mentality, but i was also insulated from the stupid and the lazy
phf: the idea that "would do better job with better tools" applies very differently when you're dealing with people who are already operating at near capacity and would benefit from a better tool
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mats: if you're the guy pissing double digit share orders in the mpoe book, you suck
mats: project0 too busy chasing the sexy bugs
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mats: race ya to the bottom.
trinque: the amount of time it takes to "fix" things like this is... notable
trinque: yeah, that's what I've read
mats: i met a guy that took abacus classes and placed p high at competitions in junior high
mats: he did a buncha 3x5 (digit) calculations for me to prove he could do it, i was impressed
mats: in his head, mind you: i spat out e.g. 253 * 35923 and it took him ~3s to give me an answer
trinque: I'll take a machine for that
mats: wish i had that skill. would be useful for conversions between base16, base10, base8, base2 conversions when doing low level computering
trinque: alt-T py<tab><ent> 253*35923<ent>
kakobrekla: hm when i was a kid a had a base2 wrist watch
kakobrekla: it wasnt long before pattern recognition kicked in
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trinque: yeah, I had a hex clock on my taskbar for a bit
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trinque: why? probably nothing more than social signaling... "omg s0 1337"
trinque: lol, ey girl check out my leet hax
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trinque: bwahaha assbot askin for smokes?!
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phf: <assbot> начальник, папароски не найдется
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mircea_popescu: overheard in #eulora : <diana_coman> the middle road is shit
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:02:03; asciilifeform: wtf is the point.
mircea_popescu: if you draw hearts or explosions or w/e around it, even better/
mircea_popescu: obviously once rigurous education is abandoned, the whole of society reverts to a "tribe of monkeys" levels.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:06:12; asciilifeform: i am not a clairvoyant, cannot read your hard disk ! gotta give me something to work with.
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assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 14:46:10; funkenstein_: The man has a great point, but, where did this thing start that humans are not animals, and in what crib do I find it to strangle it?
mircea_popescu: there's an elided [just] in there, which the illiterately-literate have no idea about.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 15:41:57; asciilifeform: if you run coreboot (aka linuxbios) you get to put whatever the fuck you want in smram
mircea_popescu: why is the usg so insistent in pushing its "private" agencies into forcing slavery on random people ?
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 16:25:17; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ... if you find it you can sell it. << not quite. i, for instance, can't sell it
mircea_popescu: we can even have a "usg affiliated entities pay 4x, people not in wot pay 2x."
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 16:37:05; phf: when was that exactly? because i stopped following infosec in 2003 (i think last toorcon i've been to was 2005) and looking at it now not much has changed. the releases are definitely a lot less interesting, because of the 0day market, but when i ragequit it was the same shit. weak releases by pushy guys in faux military gear as a norm, occasional interesting stuff from the usual suspects and practically negati
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 16:44:22; phf: i think that's the biggest advantage NSA has incidentally, because they can print money, they can probably just spin up a team for every single "core dump on a funny input" and bring it to a point where it'll successfully eat a shellcode. older salaried reversers simply don't have time or desire for that sort of stuff. that's in software world anyway.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 16:49:27; asciilifeform: (burn the whole fucking lot, and start with sane programs written by sane people for sanely designed machines)
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mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237221 << upside is massive but hard to quantify. upside is that we HAVE FOUND THE HOLES IN GCC! upside is that we know what to say about linux, and why we're saying it. upside is that we have rotor, and that we know why nobody without a rotor has a chance. upside of a sane approach is never "where it gets you", but always "where it didn't take you".
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 17:21:57; asciilifeform: but upside is that we aren't passing around a massive binary turd.
mircea_popescu: just like the upside of picking sane girls to fuck isn't "that hot blondie" but "i fucked over a thousand women in my life, most of whose names i don't remember, and yet i never had a venereal disease". that's the upside.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 18:36:18; mats: anyway, as phf says, it is of course possible to kill certain classes of vulns in C, be it memory mgmt to fix corruption, strncpy and the _s functions from MS for known, fixed size destinations, properly strict coding conventions, reducing attack surface with sandboxing e.g. NaCl, and full SFI/CFI
mircea_popescu: there's all sorts of ways to make you feel better about it, tho.
mircea_popescu: wanli changcheng omfg so THIS is how it feels when people use languages you don't know.
mircea_popescu: think about it mats : if great wall "can't be had", if the statement is correct, there's something fundamentally wrong not merely with your fences, but with the idea of making one and more importantly with the process that results in this perceived need.
mircea_popescu: there's a reason people who only have sewer water don't take hot baths in it.
mircea_popescu: if you can't have clean water, not only is it that you can't take a hot bath - it's that you couldn't conceivably want to.
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assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 18:42:04; asciilifeform: did mats just use great wall of cn as example of 'secure' !
mircea_popescu: in the sense that yes they could come out of ANYWHERe, and make a hole anywhere, but then had to spend time to loot, and then had to come back AT THE HOLE, ie not anywhere. so either take time to make a new hole or go back to where the old one was. in either case, giving the imperial army enough time to plug their ass.
mircea_popescu: or well... at least in times when the imperial administration was any good.
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shinohai: ;;later tell mod6 gentoo was a sucess \o/
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assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 00:32:27; mircea_popescu:
http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=13-08-2015#1237131 << im starting to suspect a "alf's guide to coreboot" full doc would be more valuable than anything on cryptome currently and really a great addition to loper-os. provided it actually is complete.
mircea_popescu: take the useful part out of the enemy's tendency to sit in front of things. there is actual value in the "do X, do Y, do Z, you're now done" list.
assbot: Logged on 13-08-2015 18:55:34; phf: не верьне бойся не проси
assbot: 5 results for 'from:mircea asked you anything' - #bitcoin-assets search
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in other news - they've made a new extra dark chocolate icecream. i can't explain it.
gernika: FYI OpenBSD w/o db patch wedged at 367850
mircea_popescu: 1 is readily surmountable by abstraction. i know how to do this. (you may think you are the first to meet the problem - you are not. scripts are sold in show biz all the time etc). 2. is readily solved, whether you like to or not, and 3 yes.
trinque: right, try getting someone to pay for all the bugs you didn't put in their software
mircea_popescu: that said, static allocation goes a long way. this connects to the "fixed time" discussion re rsa yest.
mircea_popescu: specifically - the cheapest and most effective approach to security still is and remains "giving people an easier task". chief on the list of ways to achieve this,
mircea_popescu: "this program takes as much memory torun at all as it totally employs". "this program takes as much time to run every time as it takes the longest time" etc.
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trinque: btw, my ex-gf had no trouble with the gentoo guide aside from asking me about the definitions of a few terms
trinque: n6: wherever you are, take note... following orders gets ya places
mod6: thank your ex-gf for me ;)
trinque: and she says thanks for the guide
mod6: cool. glad she tested it for us.
trinque: her exact request was for a "real computer, and to learn how to program"
trinque: I told her that was exactly the right ordering of the two
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trinque: I am actually going to throw her at common lisp *first* and see what happens
trinque: watch her end up lapping me
trinque: actually I misspoke, put The Little Schemer in her hands first
trinque: so you're right, scheme's a good choice
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mats: there doesn't appear to be anything actually interactive there
mod6: Well, unless you count submitting the answers to the exercises.
mats: oh. i was expecting some kind of output
mod6: And it looks like you can take notes or something
trinque: and you have to click outside the editor box, which is lame
mod6: Oh, i didn't notice you could actually edit the examples. neat.
mod6: oh i just deleted a ')', im screwed.
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gernika: Does it take a while to get past 367850? Or might I still be stuck...
mod6: do you have the maxint_locks_corrected patch applied?
gernika: mod6 I applied asciilifeform_maxint_locks_corrected.patch
mod6: ok, good deal. just let it do its thing.
mod6: if start to see repeating errors in debug.log let us know.
assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 02:11:19; trinque: her exact request was for a "real computer, and to learn how to program"
assbot: Logged on 14-08-2015 02:12:38; trinque: I am actually going to throw her at common lisp *first* and see what happens
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trinque: asciilifeform: told her as much, lol! right question! sadly, only horribly approximate answers
trinque: I've walked her through setting up both emacs and slime
trinque: she's rather sharp, taking to it well
mircea_popescu: "Remember, bitcoin works through consensus by code. Not consensus by CODERS."
trinque: reduces to "I matter" and I suppose any living thing making a sound is also saying that
mircea_popescu: well... the thing ius, crickets and frogs and whatnot, which do EXACTLY this, do it to reproduce, and succeed in reproducing.
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