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coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
asciilifeform: same choice as everyone else.
asciilifeform: coderwill: ~100 yrs ago.
decimation: coderwill: it's so effective nobody even thinks in those terms
phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later
decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum?
decimation: or verizon?
BingoBoingo: If pirate radio why not AM?
asciilifeform: how many people even own an am tuner
decimation: am has more unused frequency space
decimation: but it takes even more power to be heard
BingoBoingo: At least one in car
decimation: and has lots of noise
decimation: plus the same problem with the fcc van
BingoBoingo: The one in car normally tuned to AM rather than FM
assbot: Logged on 11-06-2014 01:10:57; asciilifeform: a tale was once told to me by one fellow 'in the know': russia sold gps jammers (serious ones, not the chinese pocket gizmos off ebay) to iraq, shortly prior to '03 american invasion. but iraq didn't pay the full invoice. so, the vendor neglected to remind the buyer that they must be arranged in a ring pattern and operated in unison
decimation: yeah it takes a special idiot to use strong gps jammer in a usg free-fire zone
asciilifeform: 'Berrett also used his company credit card to spend $131.08 with Interactive Life Forms, parent company of sex-toy maker Fleshlight, and listed the purchase as exam test prep questions, the indictment says. Berrett paid $226.50 for a wine shipment from the Gold Medal Wine Club, listing the purchase as a “Bribe for the UNIX guys.”'
asciilifeform: ^ mega-l0l
asciilifeform: decimation: clever man uses sixteen of'em in a circle around the american general, let him shoot himself with own rocket
decimation: yeah, would first have to surround said general
asciilifeform: only with radio
asciilifeform: or let the pencilnecks try to explain to him why the rocket ought not be fired
asciilifeform: (who wouldn't pay to watch this)
decimation: perhaps this will be tried one day
asciilifeform: thing is, americans helpfully 'surround' themselves whenever they land in orcland
decimation: the iraqs seemed incapable of organizing the day's post
asciilifeform: just by virtue of building their 'green zone' in the middle of the jungle/desert
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah a particularly lulzy strategy
decimation: see yarvin's rants about 'pc coin'
asciilifeform: 'In 2006, then-Savvis Inc. Chief Executive Robert McCormick earned the nickname “lap dunce” from the New York Daily News after being accused of charging a $241,000 topless-club bill to his corporate credit card.' << i seriously dun get it
asciilifeform: wtf is the appeal of this
asciilifeform: pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex
asciilifeform: or is 'stripper' merely another word for whore in modern parlance ?
asciilifeform mystified
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> or is 'stripper' merely another word for whore in modern parlance ? << It often is.
asciilifeform: and what kind of whoring costs six figures ?
asciilifeform: seems like somebody is 'buying retail'
trinque: can't be the whole picture
decimation: it would have been cheaper to hire the strippers as secretaries
asciilifeform: one could run a very serviceable harem for 250k
BingoBoingo: Likely issue is with $maxint money it becomes easy to forget what reasonable prices are, end up with human golden toilet
coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months
asciilifeform: and e.coli bacterium earns even less
asciilifeform: sad, no
decimation: because zipf's law
phf: i've seen a some american univ arabs burn 20-30k a night at k street clubs on bottle service, and that's dc. i can imagine you can do some serious damage in new york clubs
asciilifeform: 'some are born to sweet delight, some are born to endless night' (tm) (r) (blake)
phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could
assbot: ‘Perspectives on Zionism’ class canceled due to no enrollment – The Maneater ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq8Wpo )
asciilifeform: phf: the ultimate pleasure is perhaps to pay a servant to pour the bottle directly into a (field-portable, in the back of limo) golden pissoire.
asciilifeform: this is the idiot 'normie''s idea of 'rich'. not taleb's library, no.
asciilifeform: we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do.
decimation: asciilifeform: I was reading about volkswagon and there's an amusing connection there
phf: asciilifeform: these were mostly sons of minor arab families, sent to american university, because "america" in name to get western education. couple of them had kids of same age, parents at home "full expenses paid", kids education paid, but otherwise slave to prince in question
decimation: hilter campaigned on the idea that car makers were intentionally ignoring the poor masses with their products
asciilifeform: ditto ford
asciilifeform: (who spent virtually whole life battling the patent cartels, in court and otherwise)
phf: but i've personally not seen a single instance of "taleb's library" in anywhere around capitol hill
asciilifeform: phf: what would saudi prince do with library? wipe arse?
asciilifeform: stoke furnace for bath, as the halif did with library of alexandria?
phf: asciilifeform: hey, i grew up in moscow, what do you expect? *i* expect saudi prince to drink fine wine and have learned debates supported by ibn-sina quotess and such :>
decimation: http://www.ndr.de/kultur/geschichte/chronologie/Die-Gruendung-des-Volkswagenwerks-1938,vwwerk2.html "Fünf Mark die Woche musst Du sparen - willst Du im eignen Wagen fahren!"
assbot: Die Gründung des Volkswagenwerks | NDR.de - Kultur - Geschichte - Chronologie ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq960d )
asciilifeform: the prophet forbade wine!
asciilifeform: (but not hashish)
trinque: that's just good taste if you're going to pick between.
decimation: the original name of volkswagen (people's-wagen) was "strength through joy"-wagen
phf: drink wine. this is life eternal. this is all that youth will give you. it is the season for wine, roses and drunken friends.
decimation: anyone who lives within walking distance of capitol hill is spending their waking hours attempting to maintain their position
asciilifeform: kraft durch freude !
decimation: ^volksemphanger!
assbot: Volksempfänger - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1Iq9agi )
decimation: " Albert Speer, said in his final speech at the Nuremberg trials:
decimation: “ Hitler's dictatorship differed in one fundamental point from all its predecessors in history. His was the first dictatorship [...] which made the complete use of all technical means for domination of its own country. Through technical devices like the radio and loudspeaker, 80 million people were deprived of independent thought. It was thereby possible to subject them to the will of one man."
decimation: if only hitler had made iphones with nasdp app!
asciilifeform: 'j00z around me'
decimation: actually the nasdp would have hearily approved of 'tinder', etc
decimation: as long as it resulted in more german births
decimation: http://www.salon.com/2004/12/03/kater/ "Following the now-infamous 1936 Nazi Party rally in Nuremberg, for instance, 900 BDM girls came home pregnant. "
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decimation: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=25-02-2015#1033283 < asciilifeform: this is also the fuel that powered the french revolution/neopleanic empire
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 16:31:47; asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly
asciilifeform: it is also important to note that it is a ~heat engine~
asciilifeform: i.e. requires both 'hot' and 'cold' parts
asciilifeform: 'hot', in this case, being the world of the coolie, and 'cold' being the world he aspires to enter (or at least send his children to, oxbridge and harvaprinceyaleton)
asciilifeform: if the fluids equilibrate, engine - stops.
decimation: yeah in the case of france it was 'derpy peasants' and 'austro-hungarian wealth'
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cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214533 <<< he befouls the name jonathan katz of dr katz fame too!
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 00:41:56; mircea_popescu: i see " The project, titled, “The Science and Applications of Crypto-Currency,” will feature David Van Horn, Jonathan Katz, Michael Hicks as Co-PD(s)/co-PI(s)."
assbot: Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1KuVQth )
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kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214671 < haha im sorry, since when is a mobile phone nothing but a toy?
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:06:30; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=27-07-2015#1214249 << astonishing hipster idiocy. just like, e.g., 'hemingwriter'. ('let's make laptop shaped like typewriter! that'll bring western civilization back!') idiot cargocultists. 'let's omit all, even the few useful features like 'who called' from cell phone! that'll bring the 1950s and american industry back!'
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214582 << because all the Sarah Jessica Parkers/randi zuckerbergs/ Kristen Wiigs are SO VERY IMPORTANT and valuable and productive and did i say smart and intellectual ??? that people canb't help but pay them.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:21:19; decimation: why else would you buy a newspaper?
mircea_popescu: that last one is especially indicative, she's made a career such as it is out of depicting herselv, which is to say, aging stupid woman with delusions of "intellectual", a sort of julia a moore of the current generation. except that in 1930 the opriginal was a laughingstock, and today every other female is basically wiig in a slightly varied color scheme.
mircea_popescu: in any case, that's denton's unforgivable crime : that he pointed out to the anal children that their self-delusions are not only impossible, and not only ridiculous. they're actually NOT FOOLING ANYONE. such an ego wound is intolerable, and you can fully expect "the entire blabla" to walk out in a fury. because they were only "working" for gawker to protect this particular egotastic trip, nothing ewlse. which is why t
mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid.
mircea_popescu: ego trips being of course an economic surplus phenomenon, and the us being pretty much wrung out of any sort of surplus whatsoever, expect a lot of such arguments to come.
mircea_popescu: (ps - it's not incidental all the examples are women. this is very strictly a female mental issue)
mircea_popescu: (ps2, see bridesmaids, it's 10k words).
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214588 << he has a point, all attempts to heat water sooner or later reduce to a half assed, poorly specified, wasteful and buggy reimplementation of a samovar.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:30:46; phf: ibrik still requires a source of heat, and next thing you know you're trying to buy a hovoli machine from turkey
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214595 << a) that's a horrid illustration to use right aftetr the "civilised gathering" ; b) electric ones are a joke anyway - you use smokleess charcoal/embers from your fireplace to heat it ; c) of course it can make coffee.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:34:59; phf: of course you can't cook coffee with a samovar, nor make tea with ibrik, so it's apples and oranges anyway
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214608 << i know. it is getting broken, this. also deliberately, only by a much greater force than anything "the western world" could ever muster.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:40:53; asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214541 << folks who actually do work are not ever, as a matter of deliberate policy, let anywhere near a mainstream microphone
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:41:28; trinque: lost on most is the value of being yelled at by a learned person.
mircea_popescu: chiefly through reintroducing the "died a horrible painful death through not having had the golden blessed opportunity of there being any learned persons able or willing to scream at him"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:44:55; asciilifeform: they are quite like ordinary barnacles, the kind found on ships
mircea_popescu: anyway, it's easy to overlook just how almighty powerful the wot system and the signature chain is in dealing with these schmucks. once my "you don't exist" approach as deployed on that tim schmuckley fellow is realised, that's the end of barnacling.
mircea_popescu: which explains both why they writhe and wiggle so when the salt is applied, - oh they don't "need" the wot dontcha know, because "they have irl friends!!1" and other bs defenses of the specific sort of retard. what, like i'm 16 and covered in pimples and i'm going to care some derp from the enemy camp doesn't think so much of my social proof ? herp.
mircea_popescu: and it also explains the various hangers ons stuffing the channel here, got their sig registered and trying to scrape as much support and connectivity without doing any sort of actual work.
mircea_popescu: which sure, seems to work to some degree. obviously this is ONLY the case because we don't actually care yet, and will go away once the other valve is closed. but hey, they don't have to KNOW THIS. let 'em hope.
shinohai: Nothing good is accomplished without hard work. :/
mircea_popescu: btw shinohai : you can probably easiest enumerate trilema by going to trilema.com/2014/01 etc. 12 months each year.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 02:54:13; asciilifeform: conceivably the three deps ought to be a package each
mircea_popescu: !rated asciilifeform
assbot: You rated user asciilifeform on 30-Nov-2013, with a rating of 5, and supplied these additional notes: 4 First man to factor a 4096 RSA key in the history of computing..
shinohai: will do mircea_popescu. It appears your weekend warriors bought the extended package, however.
mircea_popescu: !rate asciilifeform 5 Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm.
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kakobrekla: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
mircea_popescu: ah ? was up an hour ago or w/e last i looked.
mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d
assbot: Successfully updated the rating for asciilifeform from 5 to 5 with note: Instrumental in implementing the new computing paradigm.
assbot: View image: bw trilema today ... ( http://bit.ly/1VKQ2iN )
shinohai: Looks like it was up minutes before I started making cofee, fml
shinohai: Not like if I archived trilema, they eventually wouldn't attack that too .... but such is life.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214653 << because not old enough to know, in principle, that milk comes from cow not supermarket. so his recipe is "go to supermarket acquire square whiote box" not "acquire milk"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:00:35; asciilifeform: why did he not say 'buy modem'
mircea_popescu: shinohai mebbe you misunderstand something here, but how exactly would "they" attack your own, private copy of trilema ?
mircea_popescu: or was your idea of "a copy for personal use" somehow morphed into "i'm just going to steal this dude's site and put it online" ?
mircea_popescu: fair use is an actual term of art.
shinohai: No, not "steal" trilema. Not at all.
shinohai: I meant if anyone found out where I hosted it at.
mircea_popescu: what do you mean hosted ?
shinohai: I have webspace that isn't being used at all, other than my contact info page.
mircea_popescu: but you don't have a license to republish trilema.
mircea_popescu: you have a license to save the pages on your own hard drive, not to publish them on your own web server.
shinohai: I wanted to talk to you about that actually, thought I mentioned it previously.
shinohai: Same way I know I can't just curl The New York Times and serve it up on my page.
mircea_popescu: but that aside, set your curl or w/e to pull pages an' save them, that way you can always read 'em
mircea_popescu: making derpy ddos like this really meaningless.
shinohai: Indeed.
mircea_popescu: (sane browsers would do this automatically anyway. lynx does, for instance, which is perhaps why sane people, ie most trilema readership, don't care so much)
shinohai: If there was a print version of trilema and qntra, I'd swear I'd subscribe.
mircea_popescu: why waste the paper tho ?
shinohai: Hmmm I need to give lynx another look.
mircea_popescu: i'd rather have the trees.
shinohai: Me too, so I do advocate recycling newsprint.
mircea_popescu: you can just subscribe to trilema as-is.
mircea_popescu: i dunno about subscription model for qntra, and prolly too soon anyway.
shinohai: I emailed you about subscription a few weeks back. I determined my browser is just an asshole
mircea_popescu: oh you were never getting emails or something ?
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shinohai: Yes, never got the purchase credits email.
shinohai: I got your personal email that you sent, but you said you had a bug to fix on trilema iirc
mircea_popescu: !s from:mircea shinohai
assbot: 39 results for 'from:mircea shinohai' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=from%3Amircea+shinohai
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mircea_popescu: well, someone somewhere must be shredding your emails en route.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214690 << yes it's basically an artefact of parallel construction. has absolutely nothing to do with reality, just a legal fiction.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:12:30; asciilifeform: my current understanding is that 'imsi catcher' is an artifact specifically of the bureaucratic side of usg. intercept at the tower, where the bits hit a land line, is trivial and no one has to leave his chair - but the paperwork is annoying. hence squaddie and 'catcher'
mircea_popescu: much like obama.
shinohai: Well the Boy Scouts of America has lifted the ban on gay leaders, so maybe Obama has career options after his term.
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shinohai: !s Dmail
assbot: 0 results for 'Dmail' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=Dmail
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BingoBoingo: <shinohai> Hmmm I need to give lynx another look. << Lately I've been liking w3m
shinohai: I like w3m a lot
mircea_popescu: pretty sure w3m also saves your pages if you tell it to.
shinohai: A lot of features I need to get up to speed on but it's nice.
BingoBoingo: w3m is also a nice web browser for shoving into other places like emacs
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214852 << well they've meanwhile started stealing people's shit. so they'd just take the van.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:52:09; phf: there was a guy at DC network security meetups who broadcasted fm anarchist radio from his van. he'd park it in random downtown locations, etc. i believe he's been picked up and fined more then once. that was 2003 or so, probably can't get away with something like this now.
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214859 << reason being "can't be arsed". generally this sort of thing is kept as a reserve measure. just like i go "unless you straighten up missy there's that inch thick stick over there by the wall", putin goes "if you block rt i'ma drop pirate radios all over the us"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 03:53:39; asciilifeform: no reason why 'pirate radio' can't be matchbox-sized, solar-powered, and dropped from quadcopter in 100 places within an hour.
mircea_popescu: very few all-out wars happen in nature. watch the nature channel for the lowdown of this, ever wondered "so why doesn't this dumb buck just gore the other one ???"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214884 << this fails to make any sense. how's "freedom of thought" morphed into "Freedom to broadcast" ? thoughts are silent. blessfully.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:01; coderwill: it's amazing how private companies have effectively firewalled freedom of thought/speech through broadcast frequencies
mircea_popescu: nor is there, nor was there ever, nor will there exist for as long as fucking life on earth a "right to speak". freedom to speak, yes, but this is very fucking different.
mircea_popescu: the controlling issue being, that no one may ~prevent~ you from speaking, provided a silence for your speech was made by the people. but there god damned shan't nor should be a mechanism to MAKE that silence so you may speak.
mircea_popescu: chiefly because fuck you.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:32; phf: the question at the end of the day is, what to transmit. pirate in question had a pretty fixed, pkd-ish narrative. how many people would tune in and go "huh, that's so fucking cool, a crazy anarchis broadcast." just to tune out few minutes later
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214890 << i'd like to hear you justify your crazy notion that monopoly somehow takes justification.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:00:50; decimation: when was the last time you heard someone advocate the local tv station justify their monopoly on the supposedly public spectrum?
mircea_popescu: a monopoly is a monopoly. it is not better somehow magically for "being justified". it takes no justification whatever past the very simple test of its existence.
jurov: if you don't limit yourself to the one most overcrowded frequency band, then there are plenty of options
jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214919 << the erect penis is the only thign in short supply. everyone wants it, men and women alike. for this particular schmuck, the irresistible deal is that he gets to act as if he has oine, and he doesn't even need to have it!
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:08:48; asciilifeform: pay serious coin, as if for whores, but no sex
mircea_popescu: which is why iut's worth more than the simple 20 dollar half and half
mircea_popescu: exactly the case of that schmuck who wanted random ho to NOT BE SEEN with the black dudes she fucks.
mircea_popescu: the fact that he couldn't get it up aptly reflected in the fact that nobody ended up with a mouthfull of ballsac for derping about how "he's racist" etc.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214929 << most people never will have, nor should ever have, that much dispoisable income, ever.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:12:17; coderwill: why, in the lottery of life is one born to be able to spend $241K at a club, and another, by solely being born in a different lat/long only perhaps earning $241 after working for 6-9 months
mircea_popescu: so this problem should be fixed at the top, and coincidentally it's getting so fixed.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214935 << mno. actually... because YOU COULDN'T (drink em). same penis argument as above.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:16:21; phf: a bottle of stoly will cost you $200 just to get a table, and then $500 for dom perignon and things like that. 2007 or so it was chick to order top shelf, open them, and then not drink them, i.e. have a bunch of bottles barely touched, just because you could
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214940 << but this is why he was funny : a fool representative of the current generation. if he were dressed in the fool of the 1700s we'd think he's pagliacci and mistake it all for high culture.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 04:18:59; asciilifeform: we all laughed at rpietilla, but his antics were based on what actual $maxintillionaries do.
mircea_popescu: "Mister buff deserves no mercy. As you torture this guy remind yourself constantly that your woman would like to fuck him! Beat his pretty ass bro!"
mircea_popescu: lol lafond has soem issues.
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decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency'
decimation: and jurov is right, there are plenty of fairly successful shortwave pirates, apparently because nobody gives a fuck
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jurov: ;;ticker
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asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDURJW )
ascii_field: the binary is a full MB smaller than glibc stator, too
ascii_field: (surprised no one noticed last night)
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 09:47:42; kakobrekla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214671 < haha im sorry, since when is a mobile phone nothing but a toy?
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 10:35:43; mircea_popescu: hey can go on pretending like they're making a salary when they're not actually being paid.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 10:59:43; mircea_popescu: !v assbot:mircea_popescu.rate.asciilifeform.5:a22764b43e49e3ced01c6e1e606244e25c4ea7fe34d5f40fda3447a6b6b20a7d
ascii_field: (did anybody actually get 'rotor' running, or mircea_popescu et al are only clapping in anticipation ?)
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215105 << one can get something other than a small bottle of water for 5 eur ?
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 12:22:21; jurov: there's a nutjob apocalyptic-prepper shortwave station, with 5-euro receivers widely available they seem to get some audience
shinohai: I haven't yet ascii_field, I am still doing the required reading. ( musl doesn't work for me)
ascii_field: shinohai: os/arch ?
ascii_field: and what means 'doesn't work'
shinohai: OS Debian 8. Built a binary just fine but it doesn't run. :/
ascii_field: what does it do instead ?
shinohai: lemme find error log.
jurov: ascii_field: what do you mean? i'm having full meal with soda for 5e
ascii_field: with soda & shortwave radio ?
assbot: debian Pastezone ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDXHP8 )
ascii_field: shinohai: see step 17
ascii_field: in instructions
ascii_field: then come back and say
shinohai: Starts then crashes, lemme restart real quick.
assbot: Tesco World Radio. RAD-108 - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1fDYi3g )
ascii_field: jurov: notbad
shinohai: Ok ascii_field that works fine, thx. Next step for me is to attempt an arm build.
ascii_field: shinohai: very easy
shinohai: Easy for the expert to say xD
assbot: [BTC-dev] Presenting... Build your own Pogotron. ... ( http://bit.ly/1LLJdca )
shinohai: This I am supposed to do on the pogo itself?
ascii_field: don't bother ever trying to build anything ~on~ pogo
shinohai: I found out that building on the pogo i an exercise in futility.
ascii_field: so shinohai is a winner! first fella to repeat 'rotor' ?
shinohai: yay!
ascii_field takes off hat
shinohai: If you leave enough monkeys in a room full of typewriters, they shall reproduce the works of Shakespeare
shinohai: I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed.
jurov: only if you allow both the monkeys and the typewriters to procreate
mod6: <+shinohai> I'm not sure if mod6 finished his last night or not. I quit about 11 p.m. because I was pretty buzzed. << i hit the same problem as trinque
shinohai: What issue did trinque have?
shinohai: !up ascii_field
assbot: Tech: NSA to purge phone records cache; Planned Parenthood site under attack - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ON1xSd )
trinque: the first; I don't give a shit about the second.
ascii_field: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/act-four/wp/2015/05/29/the-uber-ization-of-porn << i distinctly remember seeing that photo before - in a mircea_popescu link ??
assbot: The Uber-ization of porn - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1ON1HJi )
trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk"
trinque: the device diddling is probably comprehensive by now; who needs to collect data at the ISP level?
trinque: or rather, who needs to collect data from anywhere other than the devices around a target
trinque: this is just progress!
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 04:10:23; asciilifeform: again the 'all keys' thing
trinque: ascii_field: they damned well do have the "keys" to android, iOS, so on
scoopbot_revived: The tragedy of the US legal system isn't that it fails to deter terrorism, but that it actively CREATES terrorism. http://www.contravex.com/2015/07/28/the-tragedy-of-the-us-legal-system-isnt-that-it-fails-to-deter-terrorism-but-that-it-actively-creates-terrorism/
trinque: nobody needs to collect data from AT&T
ascii_field: trinque: mass trawling is not only cheaper but less 'glass cannon' than snarfing from individual device
ascii_field: (in the latter, there is always a chance that victim - notices)
ascii_field: ... or even that victim is an annoying bugger who keeps honeypots
trinque: in the case of cell phones my assumption is that they can read memory from the baseband
trinque: what's to detect other than baseband firmware that was already there?
ascii_field: if the point is to switch on the microphone, camera - victim might notice
ascii_field: (if he is in the habit of sniffing packets, or examining the eeprom)
ascii_field: (why the latter? modern 'bugging' is typically of the 'store and forward' school of thought)
trinque: makes sense, intermittent bursts of packets vs a constant stream
trinque: ah fuck, now I remember.
trinque: ascii_field: the phone companies themselves are now the "bulk collectors"
ascii_field: were, always
trinque: yep
trinque: jurov: I can't change settings on the ml, yet I have cookies enabled
trinque: specifically I'm set not to receive messages. is this because my mail was bouncing before?
trinque: I re-enabled non-tls connections on my own mailserver; pls halp?
jurov: what host do you use? several domains are aliased there, "therealbitcoin.org" whould work
trinque: that's the one I'm on
trinque: redirects to the screen to enter your password when I save settings
trinque: jurov: if it's easier, I just want delivery on, digest off, mime on
jurov: trinque i tested it, it does set the options but does not do any feedback
trinque: jurov: for you are the newly set options displayed on the next pageload?
trinque: when I reload the page, still says disabled
trinque tries firefox
jurov: when i submit it shows back the log in page
jurov: after relogin it shows changed options
trinque: yeah, mine aren't changing
trinque: in either firefox or chrome
ben_vulpes: http://25iq.com/2015/07/25/a-dozen-things-ive-learned-from-paul-tudor-jones-about-investing-and-trading/ << we haven't done much investment philosophy since tat and the samovar readings...
assbot: A Dozen Things I’ve Learned from Paul Tudor Jones About Investing and Trading | 25iq ... ( http://bit.ly/1Mwrgjy )
ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”"
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell pete_dushenski dat perel
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: trinque try waiting 10 minutes and login again to see the options. according to http headers, the options page gets cached, gotta fix it :(
trinque: ah ok
trinque: jurov: "Note: your list delivery is currently disabled; it was disabled due to excessive bounces. The last bounce was received on 30-Jun-2015."
trinque: perhaps an admin must re-enable?
shinohai: I hate cross compilation.
trinque: buildroot woes?
trinque: jurov: according to quick googling, an admin will have to remove me from a blocklist in the "membership management" page
trinque: sorry, my fault.
shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner.
shinohai: Back to Gentoo.
trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet.
shinohai: I was trying to do a stator pogo build on Debian.
trinque: I see the wisdom of buildroot though, really limits the number of variables
shinohai: I'm sure it is a good thing for someone with far more experience with this sort of thing than I. :/
trinque: imagine your luck, bumping into another world of things to learn.
trinque: ben_vulpes: your method of writing bash such that it can be sourced for functions is top notch.
trinque: aka, yoink.
ben_vulpes: 'tis the only way to work with this pile of crud.
ben_vulpes: i've no patience for commenting out chunks of build scripts to determine why for example boost has failed to compile
ben_vulpes: what i am going to do is type `compile_boost' at the cli, and it is going to behave the way i want it to.
ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind.
assbot: Stop pushing the web forward - QuirksBlog ... ( http://bit.ly/1MwrXcG )
trinque: ben_vulpes: nick at am was the bash wizard, impressed upon me the power of the pipe
ben_vulpes: pipe did no wrong
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33600 @ 0.00053525 = 17.9844 BTC [-]
shinohai: well trinque I love a challenge, sometimes a step back and moar research is required for me though.
trinque: certainly
jurov: trinque you're set now to receive email
trinque: jurov: thank you sir
jurov: and configuration is now set to no-cache too
jurov: my aws setup was so far most ddos resistant.. but it's pita to set up
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25253 @ 0.00053517 = 13.5146 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215252 << stator and rotor are kludges until the buildroot packages (as alluded to last night) are done.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 19:04:57; ben_vulpes: how stan goes mad for the lispm and then refuses to treat the shell as a repl boggles my mind.
ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215242 << thing is, as i currently understand, buildroot is the ~only~ way to build musl bitcoin
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:53; trinque: crossdev on gentoo is pretty sweet.
ascii_field: can't use glibc toolchain to build binaries with musl
ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 57300 @ 0.00053517 = 30.6652 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: ben_vulpes right ! perel's probably the most interesting author i've come across this year.
pete_dushenski: she might also be the only chick on my 'mega-recommended book list'
pete_dushenski checks list
pete_dushenski: will durant's wife, ariel, is also on the list. so i guess esther isn't alone after all.
pete_dushenski: so much for that theory
mats: http://berlin.ccc.de/~tobias/31c3-ss7-locate-track-manipulate.pdf << on 'SS7', used by telecoms netops for unauthenticated comms
ben_vulpes: ascii_field: what's the difference between musl and glibc?
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: Comparison of C/POSIX standard library implementations for Linux ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQi5O )
ascii_field: ben_vulpes: but, more pertinently - less shitgnomery
ascii_field: !s drepper
assbot: 17 results for 'drepper' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=drepper
ascii_field: ^ his absence - is enough for me
assbot: Karsten Nohl: Mobile self-defense [31c3] (SnoopSnitch) - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQvG8 )
assbot: Cardinals add likely first-ever female coach to a NFL team's staff - CBSSports.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMQTV7 )
pete_dushenski: ^for BingoBoingo and other sportistes
pete_dushenski: i guess if there's going to be a female coach in any pro sport, it'll be the one with the most coaches per team.
pete_dushenski: much harder to crack the seal in hockey or basketball
pete_dushenski: mebbe baseball wouldn't be so bad.
pete_dushenski mulls over a boobies in baseball bitbet prop.
assbot: rini17 comments on Gold bugs: The original buttcoiners ... ( http://bit.ly/1JsZiDx )
pete_dushenski: "Yer face divorced buttgold long ago." << i loled
assbot: I think I was robbed for 48 bitcoin! Blockchain log HACKED? ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMRWV4 )
mats: searching logs is a pain in the ass nao
trinque: shinohai: beautiful how bitcoin forces hard definitions, such as for "own" and "understand"
trinque: guy thinks he understands bitcoin because he can use the UI of a qt program
trinque: gets his hand blown off, maybe, or at least has the fear put in him.
shinohai: Some ppl should not be allowed to use BTC
trinque: well, he'll learn on his own
pete_dushenski: https://twitter.com/Amazing_Maps/status/625755498583838720/photo/1 << i told you guys borders were a flexible notion. see ? even the googs agreeth.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
shinohai: I haven't used QT in like 2 years
ascii_field isn't sure he ever saw the gui client up close & alive
shinohai: I'd rather learn how thins actually work instead of getting bloated versions with useless "features"
shinohai: *things
ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client.
ben_vulpes: how would he know we exist?
ascii_field: how did we learn that he exists
shinohai: Educating oneself on how change addresses work couldnta hurt.
pete_dushenski: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1134322.0 << for log readers into physical crypto coins, i (still!) have a few lealana silver ltc pieces for sale. i'm accepting offers. dun be shy.
assbot: [WTS] FUNDED Batch 1 (2013) Lealana Silver Litecoins ... ( http://bit.ly/1DMTNZQ )
shinohai: O.o pete_dushenski You sell physical coins?
pete_dushenski: only these.
pete_dushenski: i'm no nubbins`
ascii_field: l0l, spiffy paperweight
ascii_field: why part with it ?
shinohai: I love silver, dunno why. I bought some stuff from bigtimespaghetti on there.
ascii_field: (inquiring minds want to know: is there a physical 'dogecoin' ? and, importantly, is it made from pressed dogue shit?!)
pete_dushenski: ascii_field these coins are likely worth more to someone else than it is to me.
pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box
pete_dushenski: shinohai wadja buy ?
jurov: pressing coins is high tech. they just leave chunks dry
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38000 @ 0.000549 = 20.862 BTC [+]
shinohai: @ pete_dushenski Bought some goxxed coins and a couple of Unobtanium bars
shinohai: Even tho I despise altcoins now.
shinohai: !up ascii_field
pete_dushenski: goxxed coins ? weren't those just paper promises sold by bagholders to suckers during gox's meltdown ?
shinohai: http://anarcoins.com I think was his site. Been over a year ago.
pete_dushenski: lol fucken eh does fat bastard ever look like he has down syndrome
pete_dushenski: that's some deep art right there.
shinohai: If nothing else, it is like all my USG silver. I can melt it into skulls one day.
pete_dushenski: i dub thee shinohai : 'the torturing pragmatist'
shinohai: One day maybe I'll commission a #b-a silver bitcoin.
pete_dushenski: and with that, i'm off again. toodaloo !
shinohai: We can put mircea_popescu's head on it
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215121 < all monopoly must be defended all the way, which means all the way to physical violence.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 14:14:25; decimation: re: monopoly < note that in this case 'monopoly' means 'the crown will send its agents against you if you use my frequency'
assbot: [BTC-dev] v0.5.4-TEST1 Pre-patched Test Bundle : Testers Needed! ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt3hQe )
mircea_popescu: for which reason there exists an effectual challenge to monopoly, such as "organised resistance" via "sindicalism".
mircea_popescu: prooving to the monopolist he's nopt ready or not able to shoot as many as it takes === defeating the monopoly.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24638 @ 0.00054708 = 13.479 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215136 << you're the one not fucking them, explain to the public why not. sure as hell they'd "coachsurf" in your livingroom as well as any other as well as any other cockroach, if you allowed it, so why aren;t you ?
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 16:28:23; ascii_field: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1214999 << what do these folks eat? sunlight ?
mircea_popescu: because sunlight eaters make for "poor company", is it ? so then.
ascii_field: wai wut
ascii_field must be thick; confused
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: when tuned (vs sparkgap!) radio first appeared, the extension of traditional land rules to the spectrum seemed like a logical thing. because 'trespassers' in radio were loud and stationary, and easily detected. but this does not have to be so!
mircea_popescu: aha. so ?
ascii_field: with sdr, law could be just as effective against 'radio pirate' as it is against rats and mice.
mircea_popescu: Finally, my question: All of my transactions into the Trezor showed up as confirmed as soon as they got confirmed, however the send transaction (through Coinbase at our donation web sites) took hours to show up as confirmed in the myTrezor wallet even though it had many, many confirmation on blockchain.info
mircea_popescu: It did not cause any issues, I was just wondering if anyone else has seen this weird delay.
mircea_popescu: BTW: Homeland Security was storing all the seized Bitcoins on a Trezor that they either purchased or seized from someone else!
mircea_popescu: herp. lol.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field iirc there is a deisgn for the practical use of this, awaiting its completers on trilema. so what of it ?
ascii_field: aha the parasite relay
ascii_field: just pointing out the connection to the 'radio monopoly' thread linked earlier.
mircea_popescu: yes. the one thing distributed barely detectable weak emitters is actually used for.
ascii_field: specifically,
ascii_field: noting that spectrum is not actually same as land.
mircea_popescu: ah, i thought you were saying you're confused somethiong
mircea_popescu: yes, spectrum is same as land.
ascii_field: confused re: the sunlight folks
ascii_field: unrelated.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43814 @ 0.00054708 = 23.9698 BTC [-]
ascii_field: re: spectrum, it can be made to resemble land less and less (what is the land-trespass equivalent of spread-spectrum transmission ?)
mircea_popescu: dude every wp link seems dumber than the previous. can't discern if it's because i'm getting smarter or they're "hiring" worse and worse congenital retards, but anyway. ima stop clicking
mircea_popescu: ascii_field women can be made to resemble women less and less and less, doesn't mean sarah silverman is now some sort of "transcendent post-gender bla bla" categorically different thing.
ascii_field: point was, 'property right' is only as interesting as the ability to enforce it
mircea_popescu: for sure.
ascii_field: (otherwise we have disney pulling own cock)
mircea_popescu: if you recal my out of hand rejection of property as an analytical tool in a previous discussion about what htings ARE, you won't be surprised it applies here.
mircea_popescu: propety is a convention not a quality.
ascii_field: !s what colour are your bits
assbot: 2 results for 'what colour are your bits' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=what+colour+are+your+bits
assbot: Logged on 22-07-2015 15:32:26; mircea_popescu: a commodity is a commodity. why's property enter into this ?
assbot: Sick Jew Sarah Silverman Hosts ‘Night of a Thousand Vaginas!’ To Fund Abortion | Daily Stormer ... ( http://bit.ly/1Jt4QOc )
mircea_popescu: i had nfi idea bad postcards from the 1920s "deeply offend jews". how did they make it through the early 1900s if this is the case is anyone's guess.
trinque: "A chaste, responsible White mother with her children. Scenes like this deeply offend the Jews???"
trinque: bahahaha
mircea_popescu: o wait - they didn't! clearly. which is why holocaust was a lie tututuuu!
mircea_popescu: makesensenow.lol
trinque: that sick jew is way hotter than these porcelain doll women
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 17:23:05; trinque: just means whatever they're doing now, they've got a bullshit legal argument for why it isn't "bulk"
mircea_popescu: trinque she'd be ok, except she has this by now very pointedly obvious sex fright issue which kind-of ruins her entire shtick by enveloping it in a very strong stale loser odor.
mircea_popescu: but hey, maybe she runs into princess donna one day, does one of those public humiliation things and comes to humanity.
trinque: yeah, her comedy isn't great; says "vagina" and tries to play cute
mircea_popescu: it's cute the first 300 times. after which it starts to occur that "why am i hanging in a room where a 40 yo woman that STILL has dumb virgin perisexual issues derps on ?"
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215229 << this is about at the level of "i am looking for a HB8.5 for my wife."
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:45:34; ben_vulpes: in particular, "“[I’m looking for] 5:1 (risk /reward). Five to one means I’m risking one dollar to make five. What five to one does is allow you to have a hit ratio of 20%. I can actually be a complete imbecile. I can be wrong 80% of the time, and I’m still not going to lose.”"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 18:54:32; shinohai: Yes. I have followed those instructions from the ml and still have no idea what I'm doing. I'm shoving this to the back burner.
mircea_popescu: this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us.
shinohai: I'm not giving up. Just need a breather then perhaps it will clarify itself for me.
shinohai: My first stator build failed at least 6 times.
mircea_popescu: sure. problem still exists irrespective of how you handle it.
mircea_popescu: "The innovation machine is running at full speed in the wrong direction." << heh. yes, keep copies of your old browsers, for the new ones will be less and less useful.
deedbot-: rejected: 1
trinque: mats: it's probably that character
mats: ¶¶ << ?
mats: fucking unicode...
trinque: I continue to discover new character sets which cause some or another component to barf
deedbot-: accepted: 1
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mats: oops
deedbot-: accepted: 1
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5650 @ 0.00054996 = 3.1073 BTC [+]
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:40:30; mircea_popescu: this is quickly becoming the #1 problem for us.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 19:46:35; ascii_field: so far we've been trying to weasel out of maintaining a whole #b-a linux distro, but i'm not certain that it is avoidable.
trinque: ah, oop in common lisp just arrived
trinque: yay
ascii_field: keene ?
trinque: yessir
deedbot-: rejected: 1
mats: fucking unicode
mats: any guesses on what character its moaning about this time trinque?
trinque: mats: there's a "section" sign in the footnotes
deedbot-: Bad URL or network outage.
trinque: and that one's not signed
deedbot-: accepted: 1
mats: yeah, oops
trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature
trinque: so oops on my part as well
mats: ;;tslb
gribble: Time since last block: 4 minutes and 10 seconds
mats: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is down
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [BTR] 3143 @ 0.00111 = 3.4887 BTC
davout: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215457 <<< clearsigned blobs are prolly limited to a subset of ascii amirite
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 21:58:15; trinque: I mean, the fucking thing should work on arbitrary bits wrapped in a signature
assbot: Brent Falls to Lowest Price Since January - WSJ ... ( http://bit.ly/1eyeWQY )
assbot: DHI Group Inc. Announces Plans to Sell Slashdot Media - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1eyf0Qz )
shinohai: nobody wants slashdot lel
BingoBoingo: Seriously
BingoBoingo: Prolly will still sell for more than Digg
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform true enuf.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo funny, was just lolled at here.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215296 << "reject our assumptions AND YOU REJECT REALITY FOOL!111"
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 20:24:43; jurov: https://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/3ep2pl/gold_bugs_the_original_buttcoiners/cthk335 heh buttcoiners love buttgold
mircea_popescu: "wow ok. Sounds like nobody thought it would get this big.
mircea_popescu: They need to make the next version use a better database system that is not linearly.
mircea_popescu: Simple fix then to a very big problem."
mircea_popescu: gotta love tardstalk. almost as good as washington post, in that it's not merely written by retards,
mircea_popescu: but by esl retards.
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 20:33:13; ascii_field: anyway, notice that his reaction was ~NOT~ to visit therealbitcoin.org & get the real client.
mircea_popescu: the "some people should not use" observation is apt.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215327 << this reminds me of christina applegate wanting to buy a car, being quoted in "k"s and raiding the cornflakes boxes for them
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2015 20:43:47; pete_dushenski: physical dogecoin is printed on a piece of cut-out cardboard from an empty cereal box
mircea_popescu: in other news : http://hardhandsworld.tumblr.com/post/83217145416 bitches be the hardest on bitches.
assbot: Hardhands World of Spanking ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkABxJ )
shinohai: Wonderful, it even has an rss feed.
nubbins`: muscle memory is a weird thing
nubbins`: i coulda SWORN i just typed in my pgp passphrase completely and utterly wrong
nubbins`: fingers mashing everywhere
nubbins`: somehow: 100+ chars, no mistakes
nubbins`: mircea_popescu asciilifeform "physical doge" was totally a thing. iirc copper rounds?
assbot: Shibe Mint ... ( http://bit.ly/1gkAZfR )
nubbins`: dogecoin belongs in a "classic hype machines of the information age" textbook
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=28-07-2015#1215464 << 7bit, but not only this, you also get mutilation (escaped dashes)
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nubbins`: for a while i was paid to develop bespoke widgets for "microsoft sharepoint", a CMS/DMS that is the biggest piece of shit you'll never see
nubbins`: no kidding, every now and then some internal piece of code would return an array of strings as a single, very large string, with entries separated by the escape string "#;"
nubbins`: move over CSV, P/SCSV is the new kid in town
asciilifeform: pr0gr355!!111
nubbins`: they also reappropriated all these general words like "Site" and "Web" and gave them specific definitions
asciilifeform: embrace, extend, extinguish (tm) (r) (microshit)
nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site
nubbins`: but of course they didn't update the API
nubbins`: Web mySite = new Web(); would create a Site object
nubbins`: Site myWeb = new Site(); would create....
nubbins` facepalms thrice, runs out of hands, uses desk
phf: a good common lisp book to have in addition to keene's clos book is AMOP http://www.amazon.com/The-Metaobject-Protocol-Gregor-Kiczales/dp/0262610744
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nubbins`: anyway i gotta fuck off talking about that
nubbins`: having a bad tech day and reminiscing about nightmares past isn't helping
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asciilifeform: nubbins`: actually
asciilifeform: nubbins`: this is probably a good time to mention a historical thesis i've chewed on in my head, on and off, for a decade or so
phf: hehe, maybe you also have PAIP in djvu?
asciilifeform: phf: yes
asciilifeform: phf: gotta dig it out
asciilifeform: nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing
asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
asciilifeform: (and crown thug force, and usg monopoly concessions)
asciilifeform: if you read the primary 'current warz' crap from 1880s-90s, it is hauntingly similar to microshit in 1990s-2000s
nubbins`: smooth talkers win more often than not
asciilifeform: it wasn't just any 'smooth talk'
asciilifeform: it was a very specific thing
nubbins`: i find people don't want X so much as they want the experience of choosing/buying/being sold X
asciilifeform: not how winblowz gets on lusers' desks.
asciilifeform: perhaps in 1980s - yes
nubbins`: nobody wanted windows, they wanted the experience of being dazzled by shiny things
nubbins`: once the foot's in the door, sure, act changes
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nubbins`: nowadays they're riding the wave
asciilifeform: it becomes 'institution'
asciilifeform: and 'how it always was'
nubbins`: and we're all using AC
nubbins`: and windows uh, what is it now? 10?
nubbins` can't keep track
asciilifeform: nubbins`: iirc new york city's remaining dc grid was only shut down a year or two ago !
asciilifeform: (there were lifts, etc. still on it)
nubbins`: i vaguely recall this
nubbins`: or was it the pneumatic water-based lift thing
nubbins`: memory fails me.
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asciilifeform: or did in '12
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell shinohai played with Dillo today. Seems to be promising "graphical" www browser
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nubbins`: Bleyle admits that repairs can be pricey, especially hand-rewinding a DC motor, which can run between US $30 000 and $40 000. But he says even a refurbished motor looks cheap compared with the $500 000 cost of replacing the elevator, not to mention the months of involuntary stair climbing during the upgrade.
nubbins`: “Usually people just go for the motor,” says Bleyle.
nubbins`: i like this guy
nubbins`: at some point in my life, i'd like to require the rewinding of a motor
nubbins`: fairly unlikely at this point tho.
shinohai: Looks pretty interesting BingoBoingo, bookmarked.
asciilifeform: at any rate, if you go and read edison's writings, you get a very similar flavour of 'idiot savant / malicious imbecile' as from bill gates
BingoBoingo: shinohai: Seems to address the much neglected niche of graphical www without any scripting. Apparently default browser on 'raspian'
asciilifeform: ditto steve jobs
nubbins`: jobs is marginally interesting for having fessed up to LSD usage, but as i understand it was generally a piece of shit otherwise
shinohai: I have never owned a RasPI ... I can usually scrounge up a shitty laptop or something and load Debian on it xD
asciilifeform: shinohai: it has the distinction of being the singularly worst-performing and most closed-source-chipsety machine for the money
asciilifeform: (usb and nic share a bus!)
asciilifeform: nubbins`: ?!
shinohai: Heh. I have only "owned" 1 apple product ever, an ipad and that lasted a week before I gave it away in disgust.
BingoBoingo: shinohai: You should really try a B&W Mac
shinohai: Laptop I have now came with Win 8, which I never even booted in to.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: other than as word processor, what can you use that thing for ?
shinohai: Playing "Oregon Trail" ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Time travel
BingoBoingo: nostalgia, archaeology
asciilifeform: well yes
phf: ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons
nubbins` shrugs
shinohai may die of dysentery if he gets one.
nubbins`: for a time, i developed "app store" apps as a hobby
asciilifeform: but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian
asciilifeform: (unless he fesses up to being archaeologist)
nubbins`: ended up with an iphone, ipad, macbook...
shinohai: I had a musician friend in Berlin that loved Macbooks for music. Specialized use tho.
nubbins`: ipad sorta sucks now because it can't run the latest iOS and essentially zero new apps target the old versions
nubbins`: so it's essentially frozen in time
nubbins`: macbook, still going strong. typing on it now while InDesign pumps out dead tree sheets
asciilifeform: nubbins`: i can even see how this was sorta justified by crapple (has 1 core, no gpu!)
BingoBoingo: <phf> ppc macs were nice. i spent years with a handmedown g3 ibook, running linux on it, and i still love that machine, probably for sentimental reasons << Bought one used with defunct vertical line on screen. Played with then closeted, then recycled. Prolly should have kept it.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: but what was their excuse for freezing support for 2009 macbooks ?!
asciilifeform: the ones sold today are the same fucking x86_64 as the 2007 and on
asciilifeform: so what gives
shinohai: It's like buying a Ferrari with the hood welded shut.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> but generally i don't recommend an archaeologist's machine to a civilian << I recommend this one because hypercard. As a dare, for the ones that get it realize not all "advances" are such.
asciilifeform: i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels
asciilifeform: but to each - his own
nubbins`: asciilifeform they froze support for 2009 macbooks?!
shinohai: How is Crapples iWatch thing going does anyone know?
asciilifeform: nubbins`: aha
asciilifeform: nubbins`: they sure did.
nubbins` has late-2008, is running second-latest OS
asciilifeform: nubbins`: got an a1237 in the fleet - won't ever upgrade.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i like my 'hypercard' on at least 800x600 pixels << I usually do the presentation with a "clean desk" to heighten to realization that this machine was small enought to allow civilized other work at desk, as happened in age when computer was office accessory.
phf: BingoBoingo: i use that ibook for mac os 9 now, with kaleidoscope, hypercard, mcl (macintosh common lisp). i boot it up from time to time and it feels like the cyberpunk future that never was
asciilifeform: mcl was glorious
BingoBoingo: phf: I still kinda want a G3 or G4 iMac
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asciilifeform: ah there.
asciilifeform: ^ for n00bz
nubbins`: ah, a1237 = "air"?
nubbins`: i thought you couldn't even turn those back on again once they powered down.
nubbins`: single-use, no?
asciilifeform: perhaps next year's !
phf: i like to show mcl to people who rave to me about some new feature in visual studio
nubbins`: we can only hope!
nubbins`: i had a colleague who used to carry around his macbook air in a manila envelope
nubbins`: like an asshole
asciilifeform: os 9 was the last actual apple os
nubbins`: cocoa API is more nextstep than anything else
nubbins`: srsly, NSInteger, NSString, etc
assbot: Logged on 09-12-2014 02:39:31; asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: as a boy, i often thought that i would grow up, 'have money', and buy an apple computer - at least to try it (the crippled machines at schools, etc. were an interesting diversion, and i imagined that mac is 'rich man's computer' somehow)
nubbins`: in the sense that starbucks is rich man's coffee.
asciilifeform: if you're a kid in calcutta watching a b&w tv, where americans drink it - then yes!
asciilifeform: the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS
asciilifeform: for no good rational reason.
nubbins`: people like starbucks for no good rational reason either
asciilifeform: possibly the fact that it was not made by microshit and did not have the familiar msdos ANYWHERE in it
nubbins`: "it's good" fuck you, no it's not.
asciilifeform: nubbins`: 'starbucks' is in same mental category as microshit, in my mind
asciilifeform: because there are virtually no other coffee shops, as such, where i live
nubbins`: as someone who knows far too much about the science of coffee, starbucks is actual shit
asciilifeform: it tastes like shit
asciilifeform: because they mandatorily overcook
nubbins`: that's because they roast all their fucking beans too dark.
nubbins`: starbucks roasts all beans to "second crack", which is the entry point to "dark roasts"
nubbins`: they claim this is so they're not selling you pesky water-containing beans but fully-dried coffee goodness
asciilifeform always suspected that 'starbucks' is dominant for reasons which have nothing whatsoever to do with food, or with consumers choosing x over y
nubbins`: but really it's so they can swap out bean X for bean Y in Holiday Blend and nobody notices.
nubbins`: starbucks is dominant because people want the experience of buying coffee more than they want coffee.
asciilifeform: i don't grasp this, and won't, regardless of how well mircea_popescu explains it. why the fuck would anyone want ritual over the real thing ?
asciilifeform: is it some brain infection ?
nubbins`: why would anyone want the trappings of power instead of the real thing?
nubbins`: why would a rapper buy a ferrari instead of some GICs?
asciilifeform: the only reason i can picture is if they are convinced that the real thing cannot be had
nubbins`: starbucks drinkers do not realize that the real thing exists
nubbins`: they think they're drinking it.
asciilifeform: but that anyone would ~choose~ the fuffle - is beyond my puny brain
nubbins`: ;;google trappings of power site:thelastpsychiatrist.com
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asciilifeform: yes, it
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> is it some brain infection ? << Yes, disease was 1950's USia. The appearance that came from the plenty of being only "civilized" area not torn to shit in the 1940's and agriculture's strain to provide real food. Marketing got really good at pushing "tv dinners"
nubbins`: we were thinking about selling P's house a few months ago. talked to a couple of realtors
nubbins`: first one was very businesslike: what's the house like, how big, how much you wanna sell it for
nubbins`: second one spent a fuckin hour selling us on the experience of selling our house through her
nubbins`: i'll do x, i'll do y, i won't do z, here's a tote bag
BingoBoingo: Several decades of "marketing" and you've got generations starting life with the impression that powdered cheese belongs on noodles
nubbins`: the experience-seller waited until the end of the convo to tell us that she'd be listing the house $30k below market value and if we didn't like that, find someone else
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nubbins`: mats i enjoyed it
nubbins`: asciilifeform ^
nubbins`: mats it was a bit light on the actual tech stuff for my liking
mats: my motivation to learn RE has been flagging recently and this is just the ticket
nubbins`: but hey
asciilifeform: mats: if it's no secret, what was your motivation in the first place for it ?
mats: yeah I've heard that, I only just finished the pilot
nubbins`: BingoBoingo: even the impression that powdered cheese belongs is a bad one
asciilifeform: mats: i ask, because i've never (afaik) met anyone who ~decided consciously~ to study it
mats: asciilifeform: access.
mats: curiosity, access, and power.
mats: hence my narrow focus on exploitation.
phf: starbucks is kind of like mcdonalds, and the same reason microsoft won, guiranteed same mediocre experience, so if you're driving through north carolina and you need your caffeine fix, you don't have to engage any mental faculties, because there be dragons outside your comfort bubble. i've noticed that with a lot of my starbucks loving friends, for them it's kind of like "i know this, this is starbucks"
asciilifeform: mats: i have never personally known anyone who achieved great power or access to astonishing s33kr1tz through re. but i am willing to concede that somewhere, they exist.
nubbins`: phf same thing with Tim Horton's in canada
nubbins`: it's actual swill
nubbins`: people love it
asciilifeform: phf: this described mcd, yes. but starbucks also has a kind of pretentious-twit appeal (or once had)
nubbins`: it's a regular occurrence these past few years for Timmy's drive-thrus to have to be rebuilt to accomodate more traffic
nubbins`: because of drive-thru bozos spilling out of the parking lot and into the road
asciilifeform: but i dare say that at this point, it's a microshit:
asciilifeform: if i feel like coffee, i get to choose between shitbux and the office pot.
ben_vulpes: our coffee's just about the best one can buy in this town.
phf: i'm surprised there isn't some hip coffee shop with brooklyn roasted beans in silver spring..
nubbins`: phf maybe there is!
nubbins`: maybe you could open one
ben_vulpes: who wants brooklyn roasted beans
nubbins`: people in brooklyn
ben_vulpes: they don't have the water necessary to make coffee you can taste
asciilifeform: there used to be a drinkable coffee in wash.,dc
nubbins`: real coffee shops filter their water
asciilifeform: but it recently starbuxized
ben_vulpes: how can you trust their roasting if you can't trust their tasting?
asciilifeform: (started mega-roasting or whatever it is they do)
ben_vulpes: nubbins`: shops, maybe. in some place, maybe. not here.
mats: asciilifeform: we'll see in a decade or two. this is my life's work.
nubbins` shrugs :D
nubbins`: phun phact, beans are shipped green from source and roasted at destination
phf: nubbins`: oh, that was re asciilifeform's comments. there's plenty of good coffee in philadelphia
asciilifeform thought this was well-known
nubbins`: asciilifeform actually not!
ben_vulpes: true for good chocolate as well.
ben_vulpes: my buddy goes through a TEU of raw cacao beans every year or so.
shinohai: Hey there is always Kopi Luwak
asciilifeform: point being, the only coffee i or anyone i know can readily access in <10 min., is office pot or shitbux
nubbins`: shinohai Kopi Luwak is 100% for rubes
asciilifeform: because that's what's in every street corner.
ben_vulpes: you know me, alf!
shinohai: indeed
nubbins`: 0/10, would not buy
asciilifeform: know in meatspace
ben_vulpes: i have 2 top-notch joints within 5 minutes stroll.
ben_vulpes: you and your usaschwitz.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes lives in some very other country
asciilifeform: which i've never been to
nubbins`: kopi luwak = let's take some weasels, cage them, force feed them shit-quality coffee
asciilifeform: and could no more move to than france or argentina
nubbins`: pick the intestinal worms out of the diarrhoea
nubbins`: and sell the beans for $150/lb
asciilifeform: nubbins`: when i learned about this coffee, as a boy, i immediately wondered why they use this animal and no other
ben_vulpes: eh, optimize performance for elemental
nubbins`: the animal naturally likes coffee cherries
asciilifeform: why not feed it to horses, cows
nubbins`: picks the choicest ones
ben_vulpes: pull in 120k, live on 80k.
asciilifeform: they'll eat whatever
shinohai: I always feel like reddit started that trend or something
nubbins`: nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow.
nubbins`: i guess the intestinal juices / fermenting impart a flavour
BingoBoingo: <nubbins`> nowadays, the animals are force-fed so you might as well feed the beans to a cow. << I have the feeling a ruminant's multiple stomachs could defeat even a bean.
nubbins`: but i've never seen a serious coffee cupper give kopi luwak more than a 7/10
asciilifeform: i bet pigs would work just as well
asciilifeform: esp. if bred for the task
nubbins`: jamaican blue mountain, same shit
nubbins`: people buying a name
nubbins`: too stupid to realize that coffee is produce
nubbins`: and just because a farm had a great crop one year
nubbins`: doesn't mean all coffee from that region is great
nubbins`: or even that next year's batch will be fit to drink
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i bet pigs would work just as well << May need an obligate carnivore for musk from the anal glands. Perhaps physical Doge may have a use.
shinohai: LOLZ
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> the secret is, i LIKED MAC OS << noises were gorgeous
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you need an animal which doesn't immediately croak from caffeine
nubbins`: most won't eat it
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Monsanto the Doge!!!
nubbins`: hell, most humans won't eat coffee
nubbins`: (was at friend's house one hung-over morning. his wife places chocolate chip pancakes on table in front of him. he starts chewing, massive crunching sounds. i raise eyebrow; "coffee beans", he says)
BingoBoingo: "Roundup Ready" can probably be introduced into Doge via certain primate CYP450A1 alleles
asciilifeform: let's package'n'sell ~his~ turds?
nubbins`: would not eat
nubbins`: asciilifeform this is the guy w/ the ramblings i occasionally post
asciilifeform: nubbins` wouldn't. civet degustatorz - yes
nubbins`: !s the buggers held full control
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ben_vulpes: <nubbins`> it's actual swill << every time that i'm up north i can't shake the feeling that's where they ship the tired american brands to finally croak
phf: asciilifeform: http://bumpngrind.co are supplied by a dc roaster, without "blends"
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nubbins`: blends are lame
asciilifeform: phf: neat. unfortunately i'm not in that town often
nubbins`: it's all about single-origin these days
nubbins`: turns out coffee has incredibly complex flavours
ben_vulpes: (single-estate if you can get it)
ben_vulpes: which, trivial.
nubbins`: i used to buy beans from sweetmarias.com
nubbins`: top quality
ben_vulpes: beans over the internet?
asciilifeform: see, i want something much more realistic - drink which is not ~deliberately~ shit-flavoured
nubbins`: green ones.
nubbins`: roast 'em at home.
nubbins`: ($12 hit-air popcorn popper is a very capable roaster)
nubbins`: *hot-air
nubbins`: low volume tho. 1/4cup at a time.
ben_vulpes: i have enough hobbies tyvm
nubbins`: later, i re-wired a breadmaking machine and heatgun combo into a roaster
asciilifeform: 'want a glass of beer? here's some sand, some lime, some hop seeds...'
nubbins`: asciilifeform a roast takes ~6 minutes in a popper
nubbins`: if you like your beans dark
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nubbins`: ^ a great place to start if you're curious
nubbins`: Yirga Cheffe is hands-down my favourite coffee origin
phf: asciilifeform: it was a reasonable guess :)
phf: nubbins`: i always thought blends are like multigrain breads, a way to have a brand separate from the product, so you can easily substitute your sources
asciilifeform: aha, mcdonaldization
nubbins`: ah, yep.
nubbins`: precisely so
nubbins`: this is done different ways in different places.
nubbins`: kenya, for example: all coffee is sold through government auction, where the beans are sorted not by quality, original, processing method, etc but by SIZE.
nubbins`: colombia: all coffee sold through government ("juan valdez"), always blended to produce well-rounded, nice, but uninteresting cups
nubbins`: compare with most of central america, ethiopia, and others, where you can go to an actual farm and say "i want THESE beans" and receive said beans
nubbins`: (sweet maria's often makes deals direct with farmers, bypassing "fair trade" and the requisite fee structure while also giving farmers more of the money for themselves)
nubbins`: phun phact, you have to pay TransFair $0.10 for each coffee bag you print the "fair trade" logo on
asciilifeform would like to be able to drink a ~decent~ cup of coffee without having to personally import, roast, and grind the beans
asciilifeform: y'know, like everybody in, e.g., buenos aires, can
nubbins`: and nobody in bogota can ;)
asciilifeform: i get it, it is possible to 'gentooize' just about anything
phf: oh i was wondering why i never see kenyan beans from roasters. ethiopia, rwanda
asciilifeform: even coffee
nubbins`: asciilifeform there are plenty of small-batch gourmet roasters that sell online
nubbins`: "coffee subscriptions" are a thing, even.
asciilifeform: this is gentooization
asciilifeform: it means work
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nubbins`: right in DC
asciilifeform: nubbins`: but ~not~ <10min from my middle-of-nowhere $office
nubbins`: nope!
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asciilifeform: hence same as if importing by post from ethiopia or whatever.
nubbins`: you'd actually have to -- gasp -- go buy the beans
asciilifeform: ergo - gentoo.
phf: gentooization is the norm of usg living
nubbins`: or do you only eat bread from sandwich shops?
asciilifeform: bread from market
asciilifeform: there is a coffee man there, also. but he sells starbuxified crapbeans
nubbins`: ehh.
nubbins`: if your complaint is that the thing you want is not literally within 10 minutes of your home
nubbins`: i'm not sure why i'm trying to help you find a solution
asciilifeform: it IS for EVERYONE in buenos aires
asciilifeform: didn't say there was a solution, l0l
nubbins`: and i've got a two-minute walk.
nubbins`: maybe you need to move to a new city ;p
asciilifeform: yes, i can gentooize it and get real coffee
asciilifeform: but what i actually want is to live in the civilized world.
nubbins`: where specialty coffee is not delivered to your door twice monthly, but within walking distance
asciilifeform: y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to
nubbins`: hey, if you're in the other washington, china is to the west
nubbins`: why in the fuck is the yellow print head printing black ink?
nubbins` rages
nubbins`: good thing i've gotten 0 accomplished since 2pm
phf: гудбай америка о, страна где я не буду никогда
nubbins`: printed some cool SHARKS today, tho
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> y'know, the mythical 'west' that my parents thought they were moving us to << I'd hate to see the alternate history where your parents moved you to ben_vulpes's west
nubbins`: had hoped to get the other 2 colours down today, but..
nubbins`: ok, actually have to throw printer out window. seeya
phf: BingoBoingo: there's an entire generation of foreigners who believed in the america of coca cola commercials and schwarzenegger movies. they thought the aspirational simulacrum is the real deal. so of course moving here was a huge letdown.
phf: there's a lot of russian jews working at NIH, self style soviet dissidents, who now run various research departments same way as they were doing it back then. the common sentiment is basically "we've been had for a pair of chinese jeans"
phf: the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes.
BingoBoingo: I can see that.
BingoBoingo: Only Hollywood movies where CIA is an antagonist are the ones where Tom Cruise works for a still more secret agency
mats: not so secret, the IMF
BingoBoingo: The only really appealing thing from any of those films I've seen was the gum.
gernika: There's a generation of americans that believed in those ads and movies too.
decimation: phf: I think this is the root of about 90% of euro hate on the us
decimation: yarvin pointed this out as well: you failed to live up to the america you propagandised us into believing in!
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decimation: which is why they spaz out whenver something slightly right-wing happens in the us, and meanwhile award obama the nobel
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: didn't take you for a mission impossible fan.
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: asciilifeform as a pot smoking hippie in some alternate reality...the stuff good sitcoms are made of
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
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mircea_popescu: lol this is going to be painful.
decimation: shinohai: yes exactly that
mircea_popescu: <phf> the "west" ascii is talking about, is the place that only existed on the 80s vhs tapes. << word srsly.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215506 << i recall laughing at people for this reason a decade ago.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:19:03; nubbins`: and then literally reversed a bunch of the terms in the next version, so a site was now a web and a web was now a site
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215524 << that continuity is simply the immemorial, stone-like continuity of stupidity.
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:23:54; asciilifeform: nubbins`: the philosophical (if not in any detectable way historical) continuity of microshit and edison's thing
mircea_popescu: the avatars of "common sense" as held by the mentally stunted adult roman woman of "respectable extraction" would find exact equivalents in the heads of your new york rachel fucktard today, or in the heads of british imbecile a century ago, or wherever else. and it'd take them all of half an hour to start nodding approvingly at each other
mircea_popescu: a facility which is both why so very few women do anything notable and at the same time why stuff like language even maintains any sort of continuity over time.
mircea_popescu: "gotta support the team!"
assbot: "Hey man, I'm just trying to support the team." - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNyszt )
decimation: lol from the youtube comments of that Amerika song: "There is absolutely nothing positive in germany that comes from America. America's entire auto industry re-packages their cars from German made models. This model of doing business is used on every thing America sells. "
decimation: "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU"
decimation: ^ this is true and completely untaught in the us
mircea_popescu: so not true.
decimation: (assuming he is talking about the forced repatriation of ethnic germans
mircea_popescu: they came up with thje "let's put a lawnmower engine in ten cubic meters of injected plastic" thing all on their own
mircea_popescu: next you knew, bmw and mercedes were falling over each othert toi make "suv"s
decimation: yeah, big trucks sell well in the us
mircea_popescu: except these are suzukis with horns.
decimation: there's a weird cultural thing in america about minivans
mircea_popescu: 1.3k cc engine "trucks" that can't climb a 3% incline.
decimation: somehow it's okay to drive a gigantic truck with seats (suv) but a minivan isn't - even though it's more efficient and generally can carry more stuff
decimation: ? trucks in the us have gigantic engies
mircea_popescu: srsly, look at the "affordable" set.
decimation: it's quite common to see them fitted with diesels that generate more than 400 brake hp
BingoBoingo: <decimation> "And before some idiot American yells "we saved you in ww2!". No, you did not. America allied with Communism and slaughtered millions of Europeans. America has brought death, porn and gmo's. FUCK YOU" << Pretty sure German actually was on the GMO crop train first
decimation: well, yes it is true to see trucks like that are very expensive
decimation: > $50k
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo true.
assbot: Chevrolet Colorado - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1DNzagk )
mircea_popescu: also, anyone who thinks "america has brought porn" is a fucktard of prime order.
mircea_popescu: swiss brought porn, to america.
mircea_popescu: moreover the notion porn is bad... mmkay.
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not really how it works. Same name covers about 15 very different trucks any given year.
phf: it's sitll pax americana last time i checked, so everyone's a hater
decimation: not that the trends are looking good
mircea_popescu: phf who'dja chjeck with ?
phf: mircea_popescu: my handlers
BingoBoingo: Anyways the Nordics introduced death to America first when they collapsed Red civilization with biological terrorist attacks.
mircea_popescu: phf lmao whossat ?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215525 << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
mircea_popescu: and for the first time making it worth something projectively. prior to that, it was just measured by the world, as anything. exported to china for its silver weight etc.
mircea_popescu: edison definitely instrumental in all of this, but there's a good half dozen names involved.
decimation: well, europe destroying itself didn't help their case either
mircea_popescu: sort of a reversed lenin equation. "sturdy but dumb" + "aluminum siding salesmen" = $$$
mircea_popescu: europe lives to destroy itself.
decimation: after wwi anyone who wasn't a dead or on fire was by default the 'winner'
mircea_popescu: still, you know - that old question of "so you want the mike - what are you going to say into it ?"
mircea_popescu: not so hard to be "the winner".
decimation: well, we've seen the 'american century'
mircea_popescu: started pretty good, but eventually meh.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215525 << dunno that edison invented this. it was quintessential to the forging of the original us, the construct that for the first time mattered on the world stage, giving the dollar like any purchasing power whatsoever << Probably actually started when US and Britain fought for monopoly to impress North Americans into maritime service
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 00:24:34; asciilifeform: specifically, the one thing edison is known with certainty to have invented is inferior-tech-empire-propped-by-pseudoentrepreneurial-fud
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44450 @ 0.00053825 = 23.9252 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: very much like a holywood film i guess.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo nah, it was a carnegie, and rockefeller, and so on and so on thing
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I think it started earlier
phf: i met oleg kalugin at russian cultural center, he had a handler with him, a tall gentleman, presumably from cia, who mas making sure that kalugin doesn't say something he's not supposed to say. i always wanted one of those, but until that time i just look for coded messages in the new yorker :)
mircea_popescu: phf most people with your desires just get married.
BingoBoingo: Carnegie and Rockefeller did not invent Northern Aggression on their own in their own lifetimes without foundations
mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?
mircea_popescu: the guy that kept waking up and dreaming stuff with the bush and the policeman ?
phf: i don't know the bush and the policeman reference, but i assume "bent in two, tied together and thrown out" is a reference to his espionage trial, then the same
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BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 293.63, vol: 8382.19640739 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 288.496, vol: 4507.16962 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 295.22, vol: 13006.58501762 | CampBX BTCUSD last: 297.99, vol: 5.3342026 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 293.251941, vol: 18952.00980000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 293.50366, vol: 59.48592009 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 301.92981164, vol: 81.42906308 | Volume-weighted last (1 more message)
BingoBoingo: Oh davout, looking bullish
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 81780 @ 0.00053055 = 43.3884 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 02:43:09; mircea_popescu: lol this is going to be painful.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18679 @ 0.00052801 = 9.8627 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=29-07-2015#1215958 << what did he expect, running off to usa?
assbot: Logged on 29-07-2015 03:08:33; mircea_popescu: wait, kalughin ?! the guy who was eventually bent in two, tied together and thrown out with the trash ?
assbot: After Petition Obama Still Wants to Try Snowden for Espionage | Qntra ... ( http://bit.ly/1IpPg0C )
asciilifeform: he was permitted to write a book, the very typical 'escaped sov brass' boot, nominally 'edgy' but 100% usg-approved
mats: snowden deserves to hang
mats: a man does not purport to reveal govt wrongdoing and then proceed to dump hundreds of thousands of documents indiscriminately
asciilifeform: for hoarding the goodz
asciilifeform: and serving his usg masters to this day
asciilifeform: yes - hang.
mats: this is not responsible disclosure at any stretch
asciilifeform: fuck 'responsible'
asciilifeform: let'em burn.
mircea_popescu: ;;isup trilema.com
gribble: trilema.com is up
mircea_popescu: ;;istrilema up.com
gribble: Error: "istrilema" is not a valid command.
mircea_popescu: well something like that.
asciilifeform: the responsible thing to do is to help propel the bastards to hell where they belong.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it loads here.
BingoBoingo: I find Snowden and Saavis guy a nive contrast. Snowden gets hot stripper wife, Saavis CEO get stripper fired.
mircea_popescu: wait, snowden married ?!
asciilifeform: not afaik ?
asciilifeform: and anyway, snowden is a tv character
asciilifeform: it'd be like saying 'sherlock holmes married'
asciilifeform: hardcore philologists may care about the imaginary personal life of a literary character, sure
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> wait, snowden married ?! << Last I checked his girlfriend followed him into exile.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun get what you base this on!
asciilifeform: !s hangout
assbot: 48 results for 'hangout' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=hangout
mircea_popescu: the problem is not that i don't understand what you're saying. the problem is i don't see what you're basing it on.
asciilifeform: (there is convincing evidence that all the ~good stuff~ - e.g., DEITYBOUNCE, GODSURGE, etc. - is from snowden2
asciilifeform: who was killed
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> who was killed << I suspect this is more Greenwald than Snowden1
asciilifeform: greenwald helped to lead him to the cork-lined cellar, yes
mircea_popescu: where is this evidence ?
mircea_popescu: not that what you propose doesn't make for a better story, but still.
mircea_popescu: poor criteria for anything but moviemaking, this.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: circumstantial; based on out-of-phase release time, and the content (uncensored) and formatting (full text memos, with technical detail, rather than idiot powerpoint)
asciilifeform: and the fact that after 'other snowden' published this, greenwald & co claimed contact
asciilifeform: and no more technical docs after this.
asciilifeform: we don't have a corpse, no
asciilifeform: but a spent shell, and some smoke.
asciilifeform: i read 100% of the material attributed to both 'snowdens'
asciilifeform: the difference is a brick in the face.
asciilifeform: very, very clear.
mircea_popescu: care to make this a narrative for my benefit ?
asciilifeform: specifically ?
mircea_popescu: lemme try.
asciilifeform: as in, a formulated hypothesis ?
asciilifeform: mr nsa firmware diddler reads morning papers, for months, containing snowden (tm). decides to fuck his employer, who he never really liked
mircea_popescu: so, t1 = snowden 2 ran off with some papers ; t2 = usg figurdd it out ; t3 = snowden 1 is created for purpose of defense ; t4 = greenwald & co start promoting snowden 1 ; t5 = snowden 2 finally makes public contact ; t6 = greenwald & co claim contact ; t7->to this present day
mircea_popescu: something like that ?
asciilifeform: (they make him work a full shift, imagine)
asciilifeform: ^ this is one entirely plausible sketch
asciilifeform: i can think of a few others
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> the difference is a brick in the face. << I lean towards attributing this to the two having sifferent roles and access. Difference being Snowden1 achieved escape velocity before collaborating with Greenwald and others while 2 blindly followed 1's example into trap
mircea_popescu: it can only be plausible if simultaneously a) one's never had any sort of interaction wit hthe usg and b) one's stewed for years / millions of words' worth in some armchair generalship club.
asciilifeform: t1 = schmuckden runs off with some paperz, gives to phriendz t2 = found, through one way or another, and nailgunned t3 = snowden (tm) (r) is created
mircea_popescu: this does not explain why bother releasing anything.
asciilifeform: for this, we visit earlier threads re: hangout
asciilifeform: easy hypothesis - sell 'redphones,' 'blackphones,', 'keybase', 'cryptodoesntwork' (tm) (r)
asciilifeform: the 'second leaker' is abundantly clear from the entirely other (interesting, actionable, technically-detailed) nature of the 'ANT catalogue' papers
mircea_popescu: the problem with this theory is that it's thoroughly based on itself.
asciilifeform: no, based on ANT papers vs all the other garbage
asciilifeform: and the fact that it was 1) out of phase 2) no more where that came from.
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