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decimation: I've been reading that 'thinking forth' book, it's rather enjoyable
decimation: I can see the elegance of the stack-based design
decimation: where even function arguments are implict
decimation: also the rpn makes me yearn for my hp calc
asciilifeform: it is pretty neat, aha
decimation: asciilifeform: I see the wisdom in writing bitcoin in ada strictly to attract the kinds of programmers we actually want
asciilifeform: that kinda thing is more of a concern for wilderness folks (who have no wot)
assbot: RC4 NOMORE ... ( http://bit.ly/1K95Jg7 )
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 06:55:10; ben_vulpes: we just have a bunch of functions called reset-password, set-user-whatever, update-user-whatever
gabriel_laddel: ^ some people would like to have CLOS "models" http://web.archive.org/web/20140711171553/http://symbo1ics.com/blog/?p=2316 (see the section "An Interface/API Mechanism")
assbot: Things I Want in Common Lisp « Symbo1ics Ideas ... ( http://bit.ly/1K974Ua )
gabriel_laddel: Should be easy enough to add on top of CLOS if one really needs it.
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=15-07-2015#1202192 << You wouldn't use CLOS for this afaik? Write a (generic?) function that performs the necessary data munging and deal with these unnamed structures using `cons', `append', `car' etc.
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 06:54:13; trinque: I still don't see how I'd use CLOS like I use view composition in the db
gabriel_laddel: !up artifexd
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 07:03:43; trinque: and just fart graphics onto a canvas or webgl
gabriel_laddel: ^ wtf why
gabriel_laddel: Sure it doesn't run "on the web" but one can socket one lisp proc into another and done?
asciilifeform: achtung, panzers!
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes, mod6, mircea_popescu, et al!
asciilifeform: gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node.
asciilifeform: (remember to always add by ip, stator does not support dns)
asciilifeform: 96.241.120.166:8333
asciilifeform: (for now.)
asciilifeform: aaaand i think we might be ph0rk3d again just now.
mod6: <+asciilifeform> gentlemen, please welcome zoolag.ddns.net - a therealbitcoin/stator node. << cool!
mod6: are you stuck on block 365`521?
asciilifeform: (the flagship node, interestingly, isn't)
trinque: gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL
trinque: however I can see a use for CLIM on the backend
cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203082 <<< and i recall some coke and blood pressure 200/150 talk or something lol
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 02:19:08; asciilifeform: i distinctly recall mircea_popescu having fessed up to 'do'
asciilifeform: but iirc he quit, yes
trinque: double latte is as far as I go into that territory these days
mircea_popescu claps zoolag
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203280 << wtf why would you target "internet users".
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 04:37:08; trinque: gabriel_laddel: cannot get internet users to do anything harder than going to a URL
mircea_popescu: http://38.media.tumblr.com/4ac85d1e67774ad97b370692cd87ca40/tumblr_n7fin8iqVA1t6sn51o1_400.gif << check out the sudden improvement in posture once the stick connects.
trinque: gabriel_laddel: who says I'm "targeting" still
trinque: turns out you can make money in hubcaps and all sorts of other mundane things.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lordosis !
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203282 << there are three relevent trilema articles. One describes MP's stance on drug legality (perhaps they should be illegal b/c else they'd be mandatory) the second doesn't have a comments section and shows off some MDMA on a tea tray (biz meeting iirc?) and the third mentions the purity of Ar cocaine in the footnotes.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 04:44:59; cazalla: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203082 <<< and i recall some coke and blood pressure 200/150 talk or something lol
trinque: mdma is a truly lovely drug.
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: i think there was a fourth where he appreciated hand-blown light bulbs. but under the influence of what, precisely - was not specified.
gabriel_laddel: asciilifeform: hrm. I don't remember that one, but now that I think about it, there is a comment you made on a nonsense article ~"MP took a delivery of some potent smokables?".
gabriel_laddel: oh, and the liquid-acid restaurant.
asciilifeform: can't recall
gabriel_laddel: "less liquid, less acid"
asciilifeform: probably was a hypothetical
gabriel_laddel: ;; google site: trilema.com "this is my attempt at trolling the electrical engineers"
gribble: Shots from a voyage on Trilema - A blog by Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/shots-from-a-voyage/>; Proverb or expression for a situation with two choices, both leading ...: <http://english.stackexchange.com/questions/38243/proverb-or-expression-for-a-situation-with-two-choices-both-leading-to-a-differ>; Mainstream French Science Magazine Science et Vie on Cold ...: (1 more message)
asciilifeform: lulziez
assbot: Object-Oriented Programming in COMMON LISP: A Programmer's Guide to CLOS: Sonya E. Keene: 0785342175899: Amazon.com: Books ... ( http://bit.ly/1RABHWB )
asciilifeform: ^ mega-b00k
asciilifeform: recommended.
trinque: cool.
asciilifeform: i suppose this is when i point out that symbolics co. employed a surprising (to modern reader) number of gurlz
asciilifeform: prior to the 'tournamentization' of the programming trade in usa, it was a perfectly respectable profession
asciilifeform: for all kinds of folks
gabriel_laddel: danielpbarron: asciibooklist is missing "China's Examination Hell: The Civil Service Examinations of Imperial China". It is quite good.
asciilifeform: but it had to be converted to 'let's you all 19 y.o. derps fight to the death over scraps'
asciilifeform: gabriel_laddel: missing a fuckton of things, but i was not the one who made the list
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel pretty sure was one about costa rica cocaine being ferried off by us coast guard by the cruiser
mircea_popescu: because the locals don't have an army and happened upon a huge shipment
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I've not read that one.
decimation: asciilifeform: better than 'the art of the metaobject protocol'?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: now that I think about it, you mentioned it in one of the few articles discussing your budding romance with Ar.
asciilifeform: decimation: different subject
asciilifeform: decimation: keene concerns conventional workaday clos
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform minigame is slowly turning into an all girls outfit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that once you bugspray the 19yo. pork, a craftsmanship sort of profession would tend to.
asciilifeform: like medicine did in ussr.
mircea_popescu: ahahahaha speaking of which.
mircea_popescu: holy shit 51k
mircea_popescu: wd hanbot
cazalla: poor pogo must be getting desperate.. offering 30Gb for free now https://www.ozbargain.com.au/node/202943
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asciilifeform: cazalla: our pogo4 is officially out of print btz
hanbot: ty mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: i think they muyst have meanwhile figured out the "less head more butt meat, stupid!" design principle.
mircea_popescu: 30gb, z80 cpu
asciilifeform: wake me up when this.
mircea_popescu: hanbot so this is 11 for the little bit turned into what,
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 51000 * 60 * .8
gribble: 2448000
mircea_popescu: two and a half mil ?
hanbot: 25 for my quality 225 bit, 202 swipe of axe. :D
asciilifeform: anybody notice the blockless hour+ ~2h ago ?
mircea_popescu: so basically 1`000`000% returns. gotta be a record
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, but by now this is a weekly thing
asciilifeform: still gets me tho
trinque: gabriel_laddel: bought for 9 bucks
trinque: er 13 shipped
gabriel_laddel: trinque: Congrats. It is a lovely book. Simple, to the point, and clearly the product of someone who understood *exactly* the limitations of their tooling.
gabriel_laddel: ftr, I think the 3 canonical CL books are CLtL2, Keene and Art of the MOP
gabriel_laddel: Would appreciate any input.
trinque: cool, I'll let you know what I think of them.
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 153199 @ 0.0005322 = 81.5325 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> 96.241.120.166:8333 << ah hey!
ben_vulpes: anuzza for my .config
ben_vulpes: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203012 << i suppose, but...the waste is still shortsighted.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 01:37:47; asciilifeform: gotta admit, usg switching to funding tx spam with stolen coin, rather than giving it at mega-discount to mircea_popescu et al, was a less-retarded-than-usual move
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> i don't seriously imagine that anybody gives a fuck between the 99th and 100th million. << zeroth to first though...
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13168 @ 0.00056322 = 7.4165 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: girl is bolting her dress together tonight
ben_vulpes: rediscovers static friction
ben_vulpes: rediscovered*
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 03:22:53; mircea_popescu: http://33.media.tumblr.com/904ca035334c9b3ddba2959a6f7bbef7/tumblr_n7xwm8eVU11sgur0go1_400.gif foxylady says hi.
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ben_vulpes: any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/
assbot: The Elephant Persistent Object Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1K8Ndll )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 69550 @ 0.00053423 = 37.1557 BTC [+]
assbot: Sex toys have been mysteriously appearing on power lines in the US city of Portland, Oregon - Weird News - News - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDfw1v )
mircea_popescu: mystery solved.
punkman: "A spokesman for public utility Portland General Electric said the dildos do not pose a fire hazard."
mircea_popescu: aren't they hot ?
punkman: not hot enough apparently
mircea_popescu: that's refreshing.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110877 @ 0.00053423 = 59.2338 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: hey, how's greece two days after everyone stopped talking about it ?
punkman: same as last week
punkman: "Euro Area said to agree in principle to €7bn #Greece bridge loan. Eurozone bridge loan to Greece would be announced tomorrow"
mircea_popescu: "(iii) COLOUR FEELING. The old-style contemptuous attitude towards 'natives' has been much weakened in England, and various pseudo-scientific theories emphasising the superiority of the white race have been abandoned.[Note, below] Among the intelligentsia, colour feeling only occurs in the transposed form, that is, as a belief in the innate superiority of the coloured races. This is now increasingly common among Englis
mircea_popescu: h intellectuals, probably resulting more often from masochism and sexual frustration than from contact with the Oriental and Negro nationalist movements."
punkman: I'm wondering how they'll limit outgoing transactions if/when banks reopen
mircea_popescu: prolly a 30% tax.
punkman: problem is greece imports too much stuff
mircea_popescu: yes, this is aproblem, but not the way you think.
mircea_popescu: if it imported half that much it'd be in much better a shape.
mircea_popescu: anyway, 30% tax is what the usians are doing, and there aren't multiple thinkers going in the western world, so.
mircea_popescu: "Nationalistic attachment to the coloured races is usually mixed up with the belief that their sex lives are superior, and there is a large underground mythology about the sexual prowess of Negroes."
mircea_popescu: amusingly, this stupid shit' sapparently a century old.
punkman: older than that
mircea_popescu: ironically, the anthropologic record is unmistakingly opposite : black WOMEN have a lot of sex.
cazalla: ya seen black women lately though? make hottentot look like a size 6
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mircea_popescu: i have, actually. positively lithe
mircea_popescu: not all black women come from samoa you know.
cazalla: not sure i've even come across samoan/poly/maori women in porn before
davout: mircea_popescu: ohai plz to x.eur
mircea_popescu: hi there.
assbot: Vancouver-Based Dating Site PlentyofFish Sold for $575 Million ... ( http://bit.ly/1gDhGhI )
mircea_popescu: no 500 trillion ??!?!
cazalla: "There are an estimated 100,000,000 users on PlentyOfFish." sounds like plenty of fish to me.. anyway this guy use to be a regular on wickedfire.com and got that site started creating fake profiles back in the day
nubbins`: with ASP.NET technology, no less.
cazalla: ah well good on him, never took the startup route with investors and shit
mircea_popescu: 5.75 an user ?
nubbins`: turns out if you wait long enough they'll suck your cock instead of the other way around
mircea_popescu: still seems insane to me.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` this is possibly the oldest rule in the book.
nubbins`: does the site even make money these days?
nubbins`: used to be free / ad-supported
assbot: ❎►฿ Smoothie's Hawaiian Property (gauging interest for now) ... ( http://bit.ly/1HQwwap )
nubbins`: hawaii, to me, seems to be a nice place to visit but a really shitty run-down place to live
mircea_popescu: i don't see that it'd make enough to pay for the servers.
nubbins`: sort of like how i imagine florida, complete w/ meth heads
mircea_popescu: all islands suck to live on
mircea_popescu: if you're larger than a rat, at any rate.
nubbins`: heh, tell me about it.
nubbins`: ;;google the island of newfoundland
gribble: Newfoundland (island) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_(island)>; Newfoundland and Labrador - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Newfoundland_and_Labrador>; Welcome to Newfoundland :: Where is Newfoundland?: <http://newfoundland.hilwin.nl/PHP/en/location.php>
mircea_popescu: isn't onedog of twodogs larger than europe ?
nubbins`: labrador ("the big land" is around 300km^2
nubbins`: newfoundland is 400ish
mircea_popescu: oh that tiny ?
nubbins`: .ro, around 240
mircea_popescu: you mean thousand km^2 ?
nubbins`: hahah. yes. :/
nubbins`: nf is notable for being one of very few places in the world which has its own name in the irish language
nubbins`: "talamh an éisc"
nubbins`: the irish, in turn, blessed nf english with such words as "scrob", "streel", and "sleveen"
nubbins`: as well as several bizarre grammatical structures
nubbins`: e.g. "Oh, he's already after leaving"
nubbins`: jesus. who cares?
nubbins`: hey, steve
HeySteve: hello there
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HeySteve: "there's a bunch of fish in the sea... but how do you catch one if your line's so short!"
HeySteve: tasty
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nubbins`: "He got a few curious looks as he strode forward in his sleek black gear, but the fast-walking New Yorkers didn’t slow down or clear space for him."
nubbins`: imagine, midtown manhattan and people didn't clear space for a guy wearing something weird
nubbins`: "The ReWalk 6.0 has a steep list price: US $77,000. Woo said there’s no chance his insurance provider will reimburse him: “They won’t even pay for my wheelchair,” he said."
nubbins`: america: don't get sick
HeySteve: "stair mode hasn’t been approved by U.S. regulators yet, so ReWalks bought here currently have that function blocked."
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 374 @ 0.00395346 = 1.4786 BTC [-] {5}
nubbins`: yeah heh.
nubbins`: canadian regulators apparently DGAF and allow stair mode
nubbins`: "Home cooking is still the best way to control the calories, fat, sugar and other nutrients that families consume, a new U.S. study suggests."
nubbins`: can you purchase forks specifically made for poking eyes out?
mod6: hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66850 @ 0.00053052 = 35.4653 BTC [-] {2}
fluffypony: this is my favourite slide from the Bitcoin Africa conference
assbot: Gareth Grobler - New entrants and disruptors - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K94YAZ )
fluffypony: I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24450 @ 0.00053459 = 13.0707 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 38600 @ 0.0005289 = 20.4155 BTC [-]
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 07:04:39; ben_vulpes: any lispers know anything about "elephant"? https://common-lisp.net/project/elephant/
assbot: Logged on 09-06-2015 02:03:19; asciilifeform: trinque: or the open src 'elephant'
asciilifeform: it almost succeeds at shooting the very concept of db in the head ('i will do whatever i want to this data structure, and it will still be there if machine resets, without my having mutilated it in any way to make this possible')
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 67650 @ 0.00052841 = 35.7469 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: ;;isup qntra.net
gribble: qntra.net is down
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26529 @ 0.00053459 = 14.1821 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: asciilifeform beat me to it
asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support
asciilifeform: mod6, ben_vulpes, mircea_popescu, et al: we might wanna catch that exception instead of letting it propagate to the 'errors:' buffer
ben_vulpes: indeed
ben_vulpes: achtung, etc
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: i was nattering to trinque that i wanted a pure lisp database just last night. "here are some CLOS thingers: return me the ones of interest"
asciilifeform: ^ elephant
asciilifeform: (the only public example i know of)
asciilifeform: symbolics corp. had some very interesting commercial lisp db, e.g., 'statice'
asciilifeform: but it is now of archaeological interest only
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assbot: The BITSAVERS.ORG Documents Library: Symbolics : Free Texts : Download & Streaming : Internet Archive ... ( http://bit.ly/1McFciw )
ben_vulpes: those manual covers are gorgeous
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: apparently no one on the net has the statice book up. so here it is, http://www.loper-os.org/pub/statice.pdf
asciilifeform: enough to get a good sense of the flavour.
asciilifeform: re: 'elephant', note that the backend is not pure lisp
asciilifeform: has the consequence of making it a first-class bitch to set up on a given box
asciilifeform: (the ffi crud has to be just-so, etc)
ben_vulpes: neat, ty asciilifeform
ben_vulpes: o rly? what on earth does it need ffi for
asciilifeform: the backend
ben_vulpes: ever try it with pg?
assbot: The Elephant Persistent Object Database ... ( http://bit.ly/1e2u88z )
ben_vulpes: (i can see why a bdb impl would need it)
asciilifeform: it claims to work with pg, but i was never able to achieve this
asciilifeform: worth a shot, if you have a serious use for this
ben_vulpes: making persistent cl objstores sounds seriously useful
ben_vulpes: especially if i can get multi-box access to the data store
ben_vulpes: no shit alex mizrahi's maintains elephant?
ben_vulpes: s/'s//
asciilifeform: whossat
ben_vulpes: colored coins iirc
asciilifeform: never heard of
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: looks like they might be two separate people
ben_vulpes: well there's that then
asciilifeform: .. or not
asciilifeform: found at least two of'em
asciilifeform: but one is a journo-spammer and doesn't appear to have any part in software
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assbot: Bjarne Stroustrup - What – if anything – have we learned from C++? - PLE'15 Keynote/Curry On - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Spv1G1 )
thestringpuller: ^^^ trigger warning
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mats: ?
mats: ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach
mats: nobody gains anything from a circlejerk about how machines suck
danielpbarron: my pogo is currently -connect'd to ascii's thing, now is getting blocks in a reasonable timeframe
danielpbarron: i don't think it can fully sync anymore as-is without direct connect to a "blessed" node
danielpbarron: what with this nonStandard tx spam probably being the new norm
thestringpuller: danielpbarron: it still wedges?
thestringpuller: (with "normal" nodes)?
danielpbarron: no, but it can't keep up either
danielpbarron: gets bogged down trying to recieve and relay so many spam transactions
thestringpuller: That was happening on my full node too so I had to shut it down.
danielpbarron: the blocks themselves take no more than a few minutes to verify, but it isn't always verifying blocks
danielpbarron: i think much of the issue is solved with BingoBoingo's patch that lets 0.5.3 bitcoin.conf have a line defining the minimum tx fee for relaying
thestringpuller: Does it max on it's bandwidth or is it slow in "verifying" new tx's?
danielpbarron: i don't know enough to answer that, but i doubt it's bandwidth
danielpbarron: although come to think of it, my home internet did seem kinda sluggish as of late
thestringpuller: Also I thought if your mempool doesn't match another node's that node will isolate you.
danielpbarron: could be coincidence, like summer people on vacation flooding my shared cable lines
danielpbarron: hah like i care what non foundation nodes do
danielpbarron: all i care is, do other 0.5.3.1 nodes like me? ok good.
thestringpuller: 0.5.3.1 nodes are sleeper cells atm too, (vis-a-vis ascii's node being recognized by bitnodes.io)
thestringpuller: I found that during the "spam attack" my node was using almost 90% of it's upstream bandwidth relaying transactions.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41300 @ 0.00054542 = 22.5258 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: The NSA Is Looking At Systemd's KDBUS - Phoronix ... ( http://bit.ly/1OhdYFA )
trinque: "Why don't you let people define their own abstractions, and put the abstraction mechanism into the language?"
trinque: from Stroustrup talk
trinque closes it
ben_vulpes: kill the mempool, kill the relay
Naphex: Will be launching a non x-rated Xotika.TV spin-off called otika.tv. For whatever people wanna stream that doesn't need lots of disclaimers ;]
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitfinex BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 275.85, Best ask: 275.86, Bid-ask spread: 0.01000, Last trade: 275.85, 24 hour volume: 53972.57780706, 24 hour low: 275.21, 24 hour high: 295.0, 24 hour vwap: None
jurov: danielpbarron: mircea_popescu: wd, pogos arrived complete with "no customs duty" sticker
jurov: daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: congrats jurov, danielpbarron
kakobrekla: did you ship them disassembled?
danielpbarron: i did, yes
trinque just brought "monolith" up on gentoo
trinque: so much room for blockchainz
BingoBoingo: <ben_vulpes> kill the mempool, kill the relay << On some level relay is still necessary.
shinohai 's pogo is very happy so far.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14090 @ 0.0005475 = 7.7143 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: jurov cool, have fun
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assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 11:38:13; mod6: hanbot: 51k CDG!! wd :]
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203490 << can it be text summary or image ? youtube decided to cease working on non-retarded systems meanwhile.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 11:56:10; fluffypony: I tore into that moron on Twitter for that, and that's what led to me being banned from attending in future
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support
mircea_popescu: should insta-ban a node sending that, just waste of bw.
assbot: Intel confirms tick-tock-shattering Kaby Lake processor as Moore’s Law falters | Ars Technica ... ( http://bit.ly/1gE8r0K )
asciilifeform: !up ascii_field
diametric: hmm my bouncer is terrible
mircea_popescu: who was arguing the point with me, decimation ?
thestringpuller: but i'll email you as soon as I get to my home machine. probably will boot it up tonight instead of reading comics.
diametric: i explicitly use it to save pms, and it fails at it.
thestringpuller: Booooo. irssi stop spamming channel
mircea_popescu: what's that schmuck's handle
mircea_popescu: ;;seen gavinanderssen
gribble: I have not seen gavinanderssen.
mircea_popescu: ;;google gavin the bitcoin shithead
gribble: The Bitcoin Dumping Charade | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski: <http://www.contravex.com/2014/08/14/the-bitcoin-dumping-charade/>; "The Bitcoin protocol doesn't exist." : Bitcoin - Reddit: <http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/31jh8m/the_bitcoin_protocol_doesnt_exist/>; ELI5: If Bitcoin is decentralized, why are there centralized people in ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: sucks trying to talk to the anon herd already.
mod6: <+jurov> daniel dutifully declared "Business" as NO SUCH LABS, i grinned all the way back << :>
thestringpuller: ;;seen gavinandressen
gribble: I have not seen gavinandressen.
mircea_popescu: ;;seen GavinAndresen
gribble: GavinAndresen was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 25 weeks, 1 day, 0 hours, 58 minutes, and 32 seconds ago: <gavinandresen> I’ve gotta go. Pierre_Rochard, nice chatting with you.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: as of this morning, 'zoolag' was fully synced and happily serving 40 or so connections
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell gavinandresen how's the moore law coming along, shithead ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mod6: ascii_field: cool!
mircea_popescu: ascii_field good. i still can't get my nodes to eat the block in question.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i suppose when you quit using that thing and post the src, i will be able to tell you why !
mod6: << nuts huh << off of a Tiny, with 1 BON!! that's one for the books
mircea_popescu: myeah. you got better stuff to do.
ascii_field: it'd take all of half an hour. but anyway.
assbot: mike_hearn comments on Nick Szabo's hidden work ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSoc9Z )
mircea_popescu: the big problem intel faces is that in a world where you can get a billion dollars for free just for being where the pellet landed in iraq,
mircea_popescu: it makes very little sense to actually bother even trying to get the fine shit alligned
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9003 @ 0.00054649 = 4.92 BTC [-]
nubbins`: "And the defect rate is particularly notable; at inception the software was unusually free of defect. Unlike many other initial Bitcoin packages which in their first releases were full of crashes and deadlocks Bitcoin was nearly free of them. Most of the serious bugs fixed subsequently were added by other people."
nubbins`: ^ guy disagreeing with hearn's opinion that satoshi's code was diarrhoea splatter
mircea_popescu: "other people"
nubbins`: heheheheh.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26680 @ 0.00054649 = 14.5804 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: they were added by you (ie, hearn), and by gavin and so on.
nubbins`: l'enfer
mircea_popescu: anyway. the claim is not that the original code is bad as in, bad penmanship. the claim is that the original code is no good as in, not sane design. this is consistent with a prototype and not particularly reflective on the capacity of the author.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27550 @ 0.0005475 = 15.0836 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the chicken scriblings coming after were originally excused under the "they're kids and they mean well" header.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, it became apparent that they're not kids but actually mentally retarded, and they certainly do not mean well.
BingoBoingo: <assbot> Logged on 16-07-2015 14:21:09; asciilifeform: also, learned that the 'EXCEPTION: St12out_of_range CInv::GetCommand() type=3 unknown in ProcessMessages()' often found in therealbitcoin log comes from phoundation nodes sending 'bloom filter' command, a turd only they support << From my limited understanding it isn't Phoundation nodes, but SPV shit running Hearnia's BitcoinJ doing that
BingoBoingo: Phoundation nodes just respond
assbot: bips/bip-0037.mediawiki at master · bitcoin/bips · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSpl1h )
assbot: Box I found in my apartment - Album on Imgur ... ( http://bit.ly/1HSptOs )
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203555 << these are separate issues. whether love or hate and whether curiosity or uncuriosity are perfectly orthogonal concerns. you can be lovingly uncurious, you can be hatefully curious, and the other two combos as well.
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 15:54:23; mats: ya'll need to cool it with the hate bandwagons, curiousity about how things work is a superior and more palatable approach
mircea_popescu: moreover, and more importantly, other than the "palatable" part, which is entirely your own aesthetic judgement, i'd like some substantiation as to the "nobody gains" part. how do you know this ?
ascii_field: nubbins`: yours? they look like cheapo surplus 9mm luger
mircea_popescu: as best i can discern atm, a curiosity steeped in burning hate is by far the best approach when dealing with maggot swamps.
mircea_popescu: such as you know, things written by english native speakers.
ascii_field: this is the kind of field i refer to as 'of entomological interest'
mircea_popescu: i imagined so.
ascii_field: 'who said lawyer cannot be an anarchist? must a doctor love disease?' (eben moglen, rms's lawyer)
nubbins`: ascii_field not mine
nubbins`: i don't have w/e paperwork is required to purchase guns or ammo
mircea_popescu: well, the role of b-a in most people's lives at this point is i suppose this critical if at times forcible examination of mental habits and automatisms they hold dear unexamidely.
mircea_popescu: ironically, half the time this happens in response to someone asking b-a to stop being so radically self-centered.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the root is, i suppose, the unwarranted expectation that choice predates existence, and that it necessarily is (not even by god's grace or anything, but immediately) accessible to "thinking people" which the subject will always see himself as. consequently, given that choice predates existence, and given that it is necessarily accessible, it then follows that one may only be informed by things one approves of.
mircea_popescu: so you know, if you decide you hate it then you couldn't possibly (in this worldview) ever learn anything from it, or even examine it critically.
mircea_popescu: so the doctor example is particularly cogent. the doctor, and more generally the scholar (called scientist these days) is the person whose curiosity is inflamed by what makes others puke.
mircea_popescu: a rare enough trait, which is why periods of abundance do not increase the population.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: think of the fella who first loaded own spoodge onto a microscope slide.
ascii_field: (fairly arbitrary example)
mircea_popescu: things like how trilema shapes the future irrespective of how many derps deem themselves to be "offended" by it and attempt in their meagre way to resist are obviously not well explained by that theory.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: he had a slide on how Bitcoin solves the Byzantine general's problem
mircea_popescu: oh ok...
mats: it is certainly an aesthetic concern
mats: and here is why: i don't think its possible to be a good reverse engineer when you approach odd design choices with contempt rather than curiousity.
mircea_popescu: do you suppose torquemada was the worst anatomist of his age, because unlike the other jews, he was contempt-powered ?
mats: because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did
trinque: mats: sure you can; you never smelled something even though you already knew it was rotten?
trinque: there's humor in that
mircea_popescu: mats so anecdotally ?
mats: yes.
mircea_popescu: i dunno, the reverse case can also be made. no mother i ever met was actually aware how shitty her offspring was.
mircea_popescu: and i do mean this no. prolly met more mothers than you met reverse engineers, too.
mircea_popescu: anyway. historically there's no impact. for many years teachers soundly and loudly despised their pupils. this resulted in a large mass of insecure, neurotic schmucks, freud fodder. for some years now teachers loudly and perhaps soundly love their pupils. outside of a few cases of coabitation which are apparently a criminal offense for some contorted reason (what sense does it make, you asked them to love the kids didn
mircea_popescu: 't ya ?!), the result is a lot of obnoxious, self-centered, lazy twerps.
mircea_popescu: the proportion of actual humans coming out, about the same throughout.
mircea_popescu: it just doesn't matter, imo.
nubbins`: <+mats> because every technical person i have ever met with this attitude has turned out to know a lot less than they believe they did <<< those who think they know X have those who know X outnumbered hundreds of millions to one
mats: if you hate something, thats fine, but i expect specific and reasoned judgment; its well and good to despise node.js, or javascript, or c++, but i catch a funny smell in here when folks more or less coopt the opinions of their perceived betters
mircea_popescu: this is universally a bad habit anyway. heck, not doing THAT is even in the rules, such as they are.
mats: it stinks of intellectual laziness
mircea_popescu: the only problem is that you can't have people mechanically NOT follow their betters just to maintain the shattered scabbard of an "intellectual independence" they do not actually possess.
nubbins`: heh.
mircea_popescu: in short, unpalatable as this is, im afraid it'd be a field where no formal examination is possible.
ascii_field: who is surprised by this ?
trinque: ftr I listened to the talk; the way the man thinks is a perfect representative of a mind which makes incremental changes based on "real world pragmatism" without ever reviewing the whole history of the field and designing from that perspective.
trinque: I deeply and passionately resent everyone in the field which put systems such as these in my lap and told me they were "industry standards" and so on
trinque: and am glad I didn't waste more of my career.
mircea_popescu: yet most of everything that works was built by people doing the incremental bs.
mircea_popescu: the other sort broadly make titanics.
ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match
mircea_popescu: i think actually curtis yarvin is a very fine example of what's the problem with derps "reviewing the whole history"
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: titanic is the quintessential 'industry standard' - recall the piece re: the officers ?
trinque: mircea_popescu: I see that point too
trinque: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: the problem lies with 'derps' not with the 'rewrite'
mircea_popescu: ascii_field beheading the popist priests will not banish gluttony from your lands, kind sire.
ascii_field: does not follow that the heads ought to stay on; gluttony no - simony - yes
mircea_popescu: neither.
mircea_popescu: but yes, it does not follow that the heads ought to stay on.
ascii_field: !s lightoller
assbot: 5 results for 'lightoller' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=lightoller
assbot: Logged on 14-11-2014 19:27:19; asciilifeform: re more important than experimental results. Lightoller, in effect, put traditions and customs ahead of the lives of passengers. To him, “the experience of years” and “what we have always done” outweighed all practical suggestions as to what we might do instead, to avoid killing thousands of people.'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21789 @ 0.00054649 = 11.9075 BTC [-]
punkman: ascii_field, what did Lightoller do?
mircea_popescu: well he didnb't MAKE the titanic, in any case.
mircea_popescu: he just got stuck trying to make it work afterwards, and got his ears nailed to the headboard when he couldn't.
ascii_field: he was the one fella who got nailed 'for buying ibm'
mircea_popescu: at the one time when buying ibm was actually the rigfht move.
mircea_popescu: nothing matches the perversity of justice.
ascii_field: why the right move?
ascii_field: i dun see it
assbot: Angela Merkel tells sobbing asylum seeker why she cannot stay in Germany - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1K9ObxF )
mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research
mircea_popescu: "During the following 24 hour period, our CRS was able to identify vulnerabilities in 65 of those programs and rewrite 94 of them to eliminate bugs built in their code. This proves, without a doubt, that it is not only possible but achievable to automate the actions of a talented software auditor."
mircea_popescu: doesn't this prove without a doubt that half the bugs were left behind ?
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 54590 @ 0.00055152 = 30.1075 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: ah what the hell, i'll bite.
mats: well, yeah. its a hard problem
mats: black box and all
ascii_field: wai wut
ascii_field must have missed
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203713 << allow me to please you by pointing out that in http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=15-07-2015#1201884 and similar, you actually misrepresent the strategic situation by failing to look at the whole history :D
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:12:54; *: ascii_field has been pouring the gasoline of this heresy around for years, is pleased that folks are finally lighting the match
assbot: Logged on 15-07-2015 02:55:29; asciilifeform: ag3nt_zer0: i don't recall mircea_popescu ever devoting a whole article to specifically that one. his position, iirc, is 'satoshi lost the keys'
mircea_popescu: specifically what i mean is this :
mircea_popescu: the satoshi hoard poses very little threat to bitcoin as is. the real threat is, an ~ACTUAL~ bitcoin client emerging, that's thje actual son of the original, not a bastardized clump of nonsense.
mircea_popescu: signed by the right key.
mircea_popescu: normally the switchover from prototype to actual product might have needed a little prodding, so reserve funds make sense, yes.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: i wouldn't presume to be the only one pushing the heresy, no
mircea_popescu: but in actual fact the usg idiots have done such a good job at burying themselves, that it likely wouldn't even be needed, today.
mircea_popescu: "orthodoxy" is such a laughingstock people'd just switch with a sigh of relief.
mircea_popescu: ya see ?
mircea_popescu: you never can know whether you have or have not considered "the history", for the plain reason that history is something you only know once it no longer matters
mircea_popescu: (formally, once it no longer can be used to make predictions)
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field a little confused. possibly from too much x86 asm today
ascii_field: what is it that people would switch to ?
mircea_popescu: satoshi's own bitcoin 1.0
ascii_field: built with vs, aha
ascii_field: hurry, switch.
mircea_popescu: about the messiah, no factual claims may be made :)
ascii_field: the more i work with the eldritch horror, the less respect i have for this 'messiah'
gabriel_laddel: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=16-07-2015#1203738 << uh, try reading up on the titanic crash?
assbot: Logged on 16-07-2015 21:39:10; mircea_popescu: because a ship sinking is stil lthe worst time to do research
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel what specifically ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field nevertheless, the strategic considerations involved are what they are.
mircea_popescu: the very notable reserve power behind it all is not the hoard.
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: aha, lightoller did his thing ~long before~ the ship began to sink
ascii_field: before it hit the ice.
gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: yep.
mircea_popescu: wasn't he the guy organising the raft boats ?
gabriel_laddel: there was one man who wanted to prosecute the IBM fella, and I can't remember his name...
gabriel_laddel: exact article I was thinking of
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: what is the 'reserve power' here ?
gabriel_laddel: mats: don't be shy, name names! Who in here is faking their hatred?
mircea_popescu: "here is the new bitcoin"
ascii_field: if it is the intellectual authority behind satoshi's key, i must confess i have my doubts
mircea_popescu: combined with the hoard you may keep your doubtrs
mircea_popescu: but as things stand today, after two years of idiocy from the stooge camp, your doubts would be a weak minority even without it.
ascii_field: so mircea_popescu would run a festering heap of shit like bitcoin 0.1, so long as it were signed with satoshi ?
assbot: Shagbase - One Piece of Ass ... ( http://bit.ly/1gEiN0p )
ascii_field: i'll confess that my first thought, if anything were ever to appear signed with satoshi's key, that he has finally been found, killed, and usgificated.
mircea_popescu: depends what it says.
mircea_popescu: there is no structural way to scoure a message outside of it.
ascii_field: well yes.
mircea_popescu: moreover : the solution to the challenge is plainly there.
mircea_popescu: ~that~ is what the hoard is for.
ascii_field: but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~
ascii_field: vs merely a club.
mircea_popescu: anyway. ima be off ot eat.
mircea_popescu: we can continue later!
assbot: JL: Your Stolen Man Song ... ( http://bit.ly/1HxTq9g )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 64128 @ 0.00054481 = 34.9376 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21972 @ 0.00053338 = 11.7194 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell pete_dushenski Easy mode is the only real way to play most new "AAA" games while determining which of one's failures are due to the game's inherent challenge vs. The game being an unfinished piece of shit
gribble: The operation succeeded.
danielpbarron: !up popmechanic
BingoBoingo: Hello popmechanic
popmechanic: Greetings:)
BingoBoingo: Anything in particular bring you here today?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68600 @ 0.00052484 = 36.004 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: Avalon Jeff falls to senility https://archive.is/L3paQ
assbot: SwagPokerz comments on BIP 102: Increase block size limit to 2MB on Nov 11, 2015. by jgarzik · Pull Request #6451 · bitcoin/bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/1Oih8ZJ )
popmechanic: Michael Goldstein referenced this channel on Twitter today. I hadn’t heard of it and am interested in Bitcoin so I thought I’d lurk for, oh, 6 months or so;)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 68194 @ 0.00054844 = 37.4003 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: popmechanic: Sounds like a solid plan. Probably would be prudent to register. The you can self voice to ask questions. WHen asking questions you will probably get links which will lead you to the golden six months of logs to read.
Adlai: !h
popmechanic: !register 48802F831BAFC232A26C974A0DA5926BC6E7BDCF
assbot: Searching pgp.mit.edu for key with fingerprint: 48802F831BAFC232A26C974A0DA5926BC6E7BDCF. This may take a few moments.
assbot: Key C6E7BDCF / "keybase.io/marcusestes <marcusestes@keybase.io>" successfully imported.
assbot: Registration successful.
mats: oh lawd
mats: does keybase have your private key, popmechanic?
mats: ok good
BingoBoingo: popmechanic: DO you work for Keybase or do they just offer email addy's at their domain.
danielpbarron: that means his key was generated in web browser via javascript, I think
popmechanic: Apparently they just offer email addresses? Not sure, first time I’ve used the service. I totally understand and am prepared to agree with a predjudice against a service like this, because they’re going to end up sitting on private keys. But it’s optional, and actually a pretty handy way to manage a few aspects of PGP management.
popmechanic: Correct, I believe the key is generated client side.
trinque: eh if it was generated in a browser it's still unsafe
trinque: how can you be sure you're running the JS they intended? (or that their JS intends well)
danielpbarron: it is possible to make your own key offline through keybase but I just don't see the point
BingoBoingo: popmechanic: What OS are you on? Javascript RNGs are notoriously unsafe. As unsafe as Pirate Party RNGs
popmechanic: Mac OS
mats: popmechanic: piling on a bit here, but i suggest running it through Phuctor, a service that attempts to factor keys with weak moduli -- http://nosuchlabs.com
BingoBoingo: popmechanic: Do you run Mac Ports?
mats: to date, Phuctor has broken 300+ keys. see: http://nosuchlabs.com/stats
popmechanic: I do, yes.
BingoBoingo: popmechanic: Build GPG, preferably a 1.4.x series version and do the key generation thing again
BingoBoingo: !up popmechanic
Adlai: mats: i'm not sure you're reading that quite right
BingoBoingo: mats: Phuctor broke 95. The duplicate modulus is a different kind of warning than broken
danielpbarron: !up hazirafel
mats: oops
BingoBoingo: mats: happens
scoopbot_revived: Limits of Moore's Law Challenge Intel - Questions About Future Performance http://qntra.net/2015/07/limits-of-moores-law-challenge-intel-questions-about-future-performance/
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52750 @ 0.00054866 = 28.9418 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 110900 @ 0.00054446 = 60.3806 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: received block 0000000000000000123a
asciilifeform: REORGANIZE
assbot: Checking your bits ... ( http://bit.ly/1HBU4AC )
BingoBoingo: OH SHIT REORG
asciilifeform: eh, sop
asciilifeform: just lulzy to see it when i randomly chanced to look at the latest crud scrolling by.
asciilifeform: sorta like phosphenes
asciilifeform: normally those happen once in a blue moon, largely for entirely harmless reasons, but,
asciilifeform: when one is being irradiated to death, sees quite a few of'em
asciilifeform: (or so i was told)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 162500 @ 0.00052823 = 85.8374 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: This is indeed an irradiating time
BingoBoingo: !up TheRealJohnGalt
assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3zkGj )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: That's a big dish
assbot: Getting calls from 206-397-1975? 4/9 ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3zJZr )
asciilifeform: ;;later tell mircea_popescu didja ever write a piece about bernie cornfeld (1927-1995) ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
decimation: what does this 'reorg' business imply
asciilifeform: forklet
assbot: Detail by Entity Name ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3ANwq )
asciilifeform: amendment. change name from 'IBSA, US, Inc' to 'Telco 214 US, Inc'. March 13, '03
asciilifeform: neither had any detectable public presence.
asciilifeform: (other than the earlier link)
decimation: asciilifeform: what do these companies do?
asciilifeform: reminiscent of nothing more than the faux airlines used by cia
asciilifeform: decimation: 'telco 214' is the owner of a single ip which houses, as far as i can tell, at least 2% of current net hash.
asciilifeform: (why not parcel it through sp4mz0rpr0x13z!!111 like everybody else? damned if i know)
mats: heh, how did you come upon this?
decimation: https://www.google.com/maps/place/2571+Kirby+Cir+NE,+Palm+Bay,+FL+32905 < check out their 'principle place of business' listed in their annual report
assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kaa5AY )
asciilifeform: mats: sheer accident
asciilifeform: decimation: linked earlier
decimation: massive satellite dishes, multiple
decimation: biggest one is 12m according to google earth
asciilifeform cannot comment on the quality of this survey, but it is not uninteresting
asciilifeform: http://cpsociety.org/thomas-ndomb << lulzy. the one other public mention of 'telco 214' i've found so far.
assbot: Thomas Ndomb « Cameroon Professional Society (CPS) Inc ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaaNhq )
assbot: Advisory Board ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kab2cj )
assbot: DEF CON Cancellation: An Open Letter ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kab5oK )
decimation: lemme see if I can figure out which satellite the minor dishes are pointed at
asciilifeform: 'Mr. Haba was Founder and Chief Technology Officer of Telco 214, an emerging leader in the international voice market that was successful in winning large market share from AT&T, MCI and Sprint. Mr. Haba began his career at Symetrics Industries, a publicly traded defense communications and computer telephony integrator....'
asciilifeform: ^ the fl gov paperwork mentions haba
asciilifeform: he was one of the two founding partners.
mats: "I believe that we are in a post-hacker world ... We should strive to be professionals, making the Internet a safer place rather than exposing vulnerabilities that can be leveraged by criminals and terrorists. This is why I'm going to encourage you to attend professional security conferences like Black Hat, RSA, SANS and others"
asciilifeform: Had Problemz!!
asciilifeform: 'Professionals have professional credentials. If you want to participate in the security industry, you should obtain the appropriate certifications. ISC2, SANS, EC-Council and many vendors offer well regarded security certifications. '
asciilifeform: 'I know there has been concerning news about the NSA overstepping its bounds regarding data collection and the US government's lack of action. I have worked closely with many government officials. What may appear as an erosion of our constitutional rights, are actually programs critically important to the safety of our country. Without the NSA data gathering programs, there would have already been a "Cyber 9/11". Unfortunately
asciilifeform: , I can't reveal the details to support this statement but, knowing my honestly and character, you'll have to take me at my word. '
asciilifeform: trol0l0l0l
mats: DEFCON is not canceled, this is satire, for any casual observers
asciilifeform: took me 30 sec or so
asciilifeform: my first hypothesis was 'fella got truecrypted'
decimation: asciilifeform: the northern two dishes appear to be pointed toward a heading of 107 degrees (true)
decimation: that would line them up with Intelsat 905
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/3KZ6Y7E.txt )
decimation: it's easier than you would think to figure this out http://www.dishpointer.com/
assbot: Satellite Finder / Dish Alignment Calculator with Google Maps | DishPointer.com ... ( http://bit.ly/1KabFTs )
decimation: could also be SES-4
asciilifeform: it is not difficult, where i come from it was done with paper and pen
decimation: unfortunately the 12 meter dish is pointing up (probably 'safed') so I can't determine its bearing
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 52100 @ 0.00054878 = 28.5914 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: not like you can hide a four-tonne tub of shit in orbit
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43414 @ 0.00055299 = 24.0075 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: consistent with 'spam phones for africa'
decimation: it has spot beams that cover africa, europe - and here's its 'public transponder listing' http://www.lyngsat.com/Intelsat-905.html
asciilifeform: (the nominal business profile, to the extent one is known)
decimation: http://www.loral.com/inthenews/020605.html "Each of the new Intelsat IX series satellites carries 76 C-band and 22 Ku-band operating transponders (in 36 MHz equivalents), and its solar arrays will generate more than 8.6 kilowatts of power (beginning of life)."
assbot: LORAL-BUILT INTELSAT 905 TELECOMMUNICATIONS SATELLITE SUCCESSFULLY LAUNCHED ... ( http://bit.ly/1KacmMu )
decimation: plenty of bandwidth for an african isp
asciilifeform: sounds like they're speaking of analogue bandwidth, to be fair
decimation: yes, of course
decimation: but they typically use 8 or 4 psk in those analog segments
asciilifeform: from 'intelsat' www, it would appear that they serve nigerian sp4mz0r and homeland severity alike
decimation: the lyngsat page says that at least two of the 30 MHz transponders are dedicated to AOL
decimation: employing "ACM" which apparently switches between 4psk and 16 qam, which would allow a gross throughput of approx 60-120 megabit/sec
decimation: per 30 mhz channel
decimation: now, if these folks are running miners, the question is 'why over sat link'
assbot: AS35863 Telco 214, Inc. - ipinfo.io ... ( http://bit.ly/1J3DgqG )
asciilifeform: and who said it was over satlink
decimation: well, that office doesn't look like a very big data center
decimation: also, did you note the military looking vehicles in their parking lot?
asciilifeform: i only see ordinary cars
asciilifeform: 4 of'em
asciilifeform: (google 'street' dated april '11)
decimation: no, look in the back of the lot
decimation: you can see on streeview from the east side
decimation: I donno if you can link streetview
asciilifeform: sure you can
assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1Kae1l2 )
asciilifeform: l0l aha
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35512 @ 0.00055305 = 19.6399 BTC [+]
assbot: Google Maps ... ( http://bit.ly/1KaezY6 )
asciilifeform: entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus.
decimation: yeah, that's my first guess too
decimation: an odd business anyway
decimation: it's odd they have such a massive dish too
asciilifeform: i've passed up opportunities to own a truck quite like that, on account of having nowhere to keep it
decimation: it's possible they use the massive dish to hit geo stuff that's very low on the horizon
decimation: but that dish would cost a couple $ mil easy
decimation: one wild theory: this isp and its hangers-on are 'owned' by some tinpot dictator in africa
decimation: who also has access to 'free' electricity - which he uses to mine
decimation: nigeria, for example, is drowning in cheap crude oil - could be 'diverted' to power someone's bitcoin mining operation
decimation: for what reason God only knows
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> entirely plausible that mr spamphone likes buying surplus. << I remember in the old Tom Clancy novels his various supposed NatSec agencies being funded by "spamzors" and their financial equivalent.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not afaik.
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> i've passed up opportunities to own a truck quite like that, on account of having nowhere to keep it << Truck like that keeps itself
decimation: ??? how
BingoBoingo: decimation: How does truck keep self?
decimation: yeah? rusts, burns oil
mircea_popescu: crude oil is not realy useful to power an electric plant.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 144950 @ 0.00054623 = 79.176 BTC [-] {4}
decimation: sure, if you don't give a shit about nasty emissions
mircea_popescu: nah. gotta appreciate, power plants are products of industry like anything else
mircea_popescu: plenty of models made to run onm the heavy stuff left after gas distillation
mircea_popescu: none of them run on crude, not since 1880 at any rate.
mircea_popescu: putting gasoline in a diesel engine is not unlike putting crude oil in a tar or coal plant.
mircea_popescu: and obv the naturasl gas models won't burn it
BingoBoingo: decimation: I was more thinking about how such vehicles create space for themselves.
decimation: mircea_popescu: ships, big power plants run on heavy fuel oil
BingoBoingo: Sure, but heavy oil is not crude
decimation: www.theatlantic.com/photo/2013/01/nigerias-illegal-oil-refineries/100439/ < they literally refine it in jungle conditions
TomServo: In other news, I noticed this blurb on the OpenBSD octeon page today: "In June 2015 USB support was added which finally allowed installing to local disk on machines lacking a CF slot."
BingoBoingo: TomServo: Cool
assbot: Logged on 09-07-2015 21:57:04; decimation: https://www.mail-archive.com/misc@openbsd.org/msg138968.html < ah well then I am pleased to annouce that apparently openbsd will be supporting oceton usb in the very near future
TomServo: The docs don't exactly reflect it, but I can confirm the snapshot of 5.8 does see and boot from usb.
decimation: TomServo: did you install directly onto usb?
BingoBoingo: Nice, made it in before 5.8 hit Beta this week
decimation: or did you write image from another computer?
TomServo: Booted via tftp, installed from there
decimation: ah, thanks for the good report
TomServo: excited to have just gotten my first console on the edgerouter
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 70789 @ 0.00055363 = 39.1909 BTC [+] {2}
decimation: so the 5.8 release will probably be in the autumn sometime?
decimation: http://www.utahrails.net/up/bunker-c.php < interesting discussion on bunker-c fuel oil
assbot: Union Pacific, Bunker 'C' ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOkAA2 )
TomServo: November, if I recall correctly.
decimation: "Most oil-fired steam locomotives used Bunker C, although in some parts of the country they actually burned raw crude oil. As noted before, Bunker C was readily available and dirt cheap. (Steve Lee, April 18, 2000, via email to The Streamliner discussion group)"
BingoBoingo: decimation: November
assbot: 9E.03 / 9E.04 Gas Turbine (50 Hz) | GE Power ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOkVTo )
BingoBoingo: decimation: Point releases happen in May and November on the first
decimation: BingoBoingo: ah thanks
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 44551 @ 0.00055454 = 24.7053 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps
mircea_popescu: because who the fuck else would not know what fuel he wants to burn
mircea_popescu: in any case the generality comes at an efficiency cost.
decimation: well, a turbine can burn anything. but it's true that if you are burning raw crude it will foul your turbine and require much more maintenance
decimation: because of all the solvents and other shit in the oil
decimation: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Union_Pacific_GTELs < us railroads used to run these right through the middle of the countryside, belching foul shit
assbot: Union Pacific GTELs - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1fOmIro )
BingoBoingo: They still run through the middle of my countryside, still belch foul shit
decimation: yeah but probably all diesel now
decimation: it seems the real problem with burning crude or heavy fuel oil is that if you have enough civilization to refine the oil, you can make it into much more profitable products
decimation: the net effect being that the amount of 'heavy fuel' (bunker b and c) has shrunk compared to old process - making it more expensive than just using diesel
decimation: this isn't really true in areas that have no advanced refining available
mircea_popescu: soo... imo musk's electric car has failed to reach the sort of growth patterns and penetration goals it needed to survive. it therefore peaked sometime last year, and it will go the same way all the numerous attempts at an electric car since the 20s have went.
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna enter into a tesla stock swap with me /
decimation: you should make a F.DERP for it?
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=17-07-2015#1204022 << the ultimate such is said to be... 'abrams' tank.
assbot: Logged on 17-07-2015 03:03:55; mircea_popescu: there are some "universal fuel" power generators, mostly marketed to end user derps
asciilifeform: which burns, iirc, ten litres, just to start
decimation: asciilifeform: yes, but could probably run on 'jungle oil' if it isn't solidified
mircea_popescu: there is good reason to build a universal engine into a tank intended for 1950s style attreition war.
mircea_popescu: 1923 Detroit Electric.
asciilifeform: late in the game, too
asciilifeform: height of electromobile was 1890s
mircea_popescu: (exactly the hipster car of today, incdentally. marketed to women and doctors, had curved glass panes, etc)
decimation: honestly elon musk strikes me as a highbrow scammer
decimation: he's figured out how to sell 'dreams' in exchange for usg subsidy and hype
mircea_popescu: this is the case of all us "entrepreneurs" active today.
mircea_popescu: what's mark cuban ?
decimation: to be fair, he does deliver products - rockets, cars, etc
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: musk is different in the sense of not running the usual 'populist' chumpatron
mircea_popescu: scammed yahoo out of a billion, once
mircea_popescu: made 100 different decisions since, 100 of which were wrong.
decimation: but the economic prospects appear highly dubious
mircea_popescu: a man batting < 1% is certainly not possessed of a clue in the field.
asciilifeform: yet he sleeps ad libitum.
mircea_popescu: all idiots sleep well.
mircea_popescu: that's the mark of idiocy.
asciilifeform: sorta the converse of the usual 'if yer so smart, why aitcha rich' line
asciilifeform: 'if he's such a moron, why does he sleep ad libitum and has no fear of having to do honest wurk'
asciilifeform: ditto branson
mircea_popescu: lol branson, another fine example.
mircea_popescu: he's the business world equivalent of a russian prison whore.
mircea_popescu: every cock was in his asshole.
asciilifeform: yet no matter what these folks do, they never seem to end up begging for change
asciilifeform: or washing cars
asciilifeform: 'wouldn't do', to have royalty besmirched thus
mircea_popescu: msot of them do, yes.
mircea_popescu: the substantial difference between the subset here named and the rest of the set consisting of various reddit experts and your spamming friend has nothing to do with them
asciilifeform: re: oils: was very surprised to discover english (!) piece, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mazut
assbot: Mazut - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTrt98 )
mircea_popescu: some earthworms find incredible caches of forgotten artefacts. doth not qualify them as archeologists.
mats: tesla doesn't sell electric cars
mats: they sell batteries and infrastructure
mircea_popescu: romania has a bunch of these "intreprinzatori de carton", ie, cardboard entrepreneurs. one notable case (currently in jail) got to keep ~2bn worth of romanian govt money in 1989, on condition of supporting his friends.
mircea_popescu: kept getting 3-500mn/year after that
mircea_popescu: never actually supported anyone worth a squat and is now ~broke
decimation: mats: ?? they have dealer rooms?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 42750 @ 0.0005594 = 23.9144 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: these are sop in the orc world, ru being perhaps the absolute epicentre. but in usa they are especially lulzy on account of the elaborate presences of 'doing business'
mats: that was hyperbolic but you see my point yes?
mircea_popescu: mats the offer stands, you know.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform just as ellaborate on the other side.
mats: hey, didn't say i'd bet against you
mircea_popescu: catering to different expecations, yes, but anyway
mats: they are massively overvalued right now and i would not be interested in taking the other side
assbot: Tesla's Elon Musk introduces 'beautiful' money-saving home battery backup system - CNET ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTs0I1 )
decimation: yes, note that this battery system costs many times more than lead-acid
decimation: thus appealing to the kinds of people who want to store electricity but don't care about how much things cost
trinque: I've seen a great many Solar City fliers around, speaking of Musk.
trinque: (in Portland)
trinque: hilariously, these would be useless during the rainy season
asciilifeform: decimation: who 'doesn't care what it costs' - uses pumped hydro
mircea_popescu: anyway, yes they produce cars, and the model s sold a whopping... 75k units
decimation: trinque: they also rely heavily on subsidy
mircea_popescu: that's exactly detroit electric volume touched up for the intervening century.
trinque: decimation: certainly, and loose financing
mats: asciilifeform: yes, and all usable sources have already been dammed
asciilifeform: mats: ~pumped~
asciilifeform: as in, gigantic bottles.
mircea_popescu: in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business.
asciilifeform: mats: energy storage.
mats: oh, right. up and down hills and mountains.
mats: i forgot how efficient it is
asciilifeform: beats li ion
asciilifeform: and the water - doesn't wear out after 200 cycles
decimation: yeah, as in pumping to high lake and draining when needed, like this plant: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinorwig_Power_Station
assbot: Dinorwig Power Station - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1HTskGR )
mats: fuck, people are still setting off fireworks in my area
asciilifeform: usg actually had (has?) some chick leading a crackpot mains current to hydrocarbon (yes, electrolysis + oddball catalysts) mega-wunderwaffen dept. in the navy
asciilifeform: no idea if it ever came up with a working nuke-to-petrol magic box.
decimation: asciilifeform: whatever for?
decimation: if you wanna waste electricity like that, might as well just split water and use hydrogen
asciilifeform: fueling up jets from seawater + nuke plant, was the notion.
asciilifeform: can't do worth shit with h2
asciilifeform: certainly not in a jet
decimation: yeah at least not in any existing ones
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26400 @ 0.0005649 = 14.9134 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: anything involving gaseous h2 is the archetypical 'assembly line for ph.d.'
asciilifeform: ever seen a hose for liquid h ?
decimation: heh I've seen pictures
mats: any idea what fuels modern jets? certainly not jp-9 anymore?
mircea_popescu: just about.
asciilifeform: iirc same thing everyone else burns
decimation: kerosene, more or less
mircea_popescu: iirc the "ethanol jet" thing got canned
mats: >A kerosene-based fuel, JP-8 is projected to remain in use at least until 2025. It was first introduced at NATO bases in 1978. Its NATO code is F-34.
mats: how about that. late 70s tech still keeping the lights on.
decimation: sure, turbine burns kerosene just fine
asciilifeform: fuels haven't really changed (for the better) in a century.
decimation: you could also burn 'heavy fuel oil' in theory, but that's not a terribly great idea in a high reliablity application
asciilifeform: (for worse? sure! where i live, what comes out of the filling station is 10% ethanol ~by law~)
decimation: but the abrams tank would burn jp-8 just fine
asciilifeform: it will burn restaurant grease
asciilifeform: by some accounts
decimation: yeah, probably anything that will run through the pumps
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BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> in retrospect, his going to war with the dealers sunk his car business. << Beware the trade guilds
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9300 @ 0.0005649 = 5.2536 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: something liek that
mircea_popescu: the alternative was also unpalatable tho. you don't want to engage in a bidding war with the dying gm/ford thing for their lasty remaining shred of relevancy
mircea_popescu: you'll end up overpaying.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 49750 @ 0.00054734 = 27.2302 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: in any case, as a fun tidbit : the 2010 tesla ipo, first us carmaker ipo since ww2, came to half the recently reported plenty of fish sale
asciilifeform: thing is, gm/ford vs tesla is a 'best horse in the glue factory' contest
asciilifeform: american automobility has a very short life expectancy as a going concern
mircea_popescu: (plenty of fish being the 5th or so dating site sold in a decade, which "Dating site" is the twelfth or so wheel on the social media band wagon)
decimation: the only american autos that 'actual people' buy are trunks
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform precisely.
decimation: trucks
mircea_popescu: <ascii_field> but this brings us back to the question of whether mr s has ~intellectual authority~ << intellectual authority is a very simple thing in capitalism. see it at work in how the "blockchain size increase" was tranched : once someone says "this is how much it costs", the derps willing to talk were separated from the people willing to pay.
mircea_popescu: on a tinier scale, just happened above re tesla, too.
decimation: yeah, but what market? the 950/1000 block rule?
mircea_popescu: in the end, it reduces to "does he have the intellectual authority to bluff". well... do you have the intellectual authority to call it ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: unless i misunderstood, your implication in earlier thread was that satoshi (in the person of his key) could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have such carry weight on account of him being the famous satoshi
mircea_popescu: decimation i mean the original, end of 2014/2015 dispute, about "herp derp we'll raise the block limit"
decimation: ah yes
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you misunderstood.
mircea_popescu: satoshi could pop up, propose some arbitrary strange, and have everyone (everyone that matters, ie, with money!) presented with the dilemma : do they buy up the stash ? or do they move on to the strange ?
mircea_popescu: this is the only legitimate way to resolve disputes.
mircea_popescu: if his strange sucks, he has nothing to stand on.
mircea_popescu: if his strange does not suck, you can keep talking about its strangeness all you want.
asciilifeform: but suppose that it is something quite like bitcoin circa '09.
trinque: it would be an incredible thing if the man has the keys and has shown this much restraint
asciilifeform: which did not suck (at least mathematically) in any particularly discernible way
mircea_popescu: trinque not that incredible.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform all i can say is i'd consider it fully.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, not even the us supreme court rules without a case.
asciilifeform: 'does not suck' today, i dare say, is a higher bar than in '09, when there was no bitcoin
asciilifeform: and no $maxint pumped into the storage battery
mircea_popescu: on that point can there be no debate
mircea_popescu: but 5bn is NO SORT OF MAXINT
asciilifeform: ^ point
mircea_popescu: it's a minint in this game.
decimation: ^ yes, bitcoin is still peanuts
asciilifeform: esp. given as it is denominated in zimbabwean unit
decimation: which satoshi realizes, of course
asciilifeform: (i.e. there are probably not 5bn 'turkey-buying-capable' dollars on planet)
mircea_popescu: complicated matters.
mircea_popescu: anyway, i'm off. cheerios.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 66391 @ 0.00054213 = 35.9926 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform had a thought: possibly, if satoshi's stash were ~larger~ than it is, he could be considered 'beyond reproach' if he were to surface and propose a fork, on the logic that he could not stand to gain from any deception. but it still would not rule out usgification, or simple error.
asciilifeform: at the risk of beating the record of mircea_popescu's pessimism on the subject of 'future bitcoin': i currently suspect that protocol change might be the proverbial 'stone so heavy, god cannot lift'
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