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decimation: so, sure some feds are way underpaid, but the majority are overpaid losers
asciilifeform: overpaid << who envies these folks ?
decimation: naive clerks?
decimation: actually there's a deeper problem. When you 'work' for a 'democracy', your boss is 'the people'
decimation: when everyone is your boss, no one is your boss
asciilifeform: mostly imaginary problem
asciilifeform: in actual practice, there's an ordinary boss.
decimation: who is accountable to a chain of bosses who ultimately account to themselves
decimation: or maybe Obama fires people for failing to deliever?
assbot: Kerry: Moscow lying 'to my face' over Ukraine - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxF1Ye )
asciilifeform: speaking of which,
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Amherst Cauldron ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxF5Hn )
mats: "They have been persisting in their misrepresentations, lies, whatever you want to call them, about their activities there to my face"
decimation: one wonders how many usg state department officers would be hired by other countries if usg went bankrupt
decimation: "Oh I'm totally an awesome diplomat, look at my years of usg experience!"
mats: that post is silly. the guard would fail overnight.
assbot: Russian Diplomats Are Eating America's Lunch - James Bruno - POLITICO Magazine ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxFB8s )
mats: give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust
decimation: mats: I've witnessed that happening too
mats: the clever ones are already losing their minds in group
mats: too much political fuckery, civ and mil, for any useful body to bear
decimation: unfortunately, this means that the current population of the military is strongly selected for nominal loyalty to usg
decimation: at least as long as the dollars keep rolling
assbot: Ash Carter warns Russia on nukes - Philip Ewing - POLITICO ... ( http://bit.ly/1vxG6PO )
asciilifeform: how many germans quit ss 'out of sheer disgust'
decimation: asciilifeform: why does usg keep wanting to bring back the cold war? nostalgia?
asciilifeform: why does a pyro burn houses?
asciilifeform: this is simply what usg... is. at least since it was grown enough to even -have- a foreign policy.
mats: SS didn't get stomped multiple times and asked to enjoy it.
mats: granted, they were trounced in ... northern africa? my ww2 history knowledge languishes.
mats: anyway, i did say useful. night folks.
ben_vulpes: jurov, asciilifeform: as though "lisp" and "algol" even exist as actual things.
asciilifeform: folks keep insisting on discussing 'lisp'
asciilifeform: so why not algol.
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decimation: asciilifeform: unfortunately ada (derived from pascal-algol) has 1-based array indexes
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asciilifeform: decimation: foo: array (Integer range 0 .. N) of Whatever;
asciilifeform: decimation: so nope.
asciilifeform: at least, not if you don't want.
decimation: ah that's useful
decimation: all the examples I've found start with a 1
asciilifeform: can start with 31337 if you like.
decimation: I assumed it was a language 'feature' like matlab
decimation: matlab 1-based indexing is enraging
asciilifeform: ada, like common lisp, is interesting for the mostly-complete absence of any obviously braindamaged decisions forced upon the user
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asciilifeform: ' If you have a powered up NEXTEL on your belt and you walk within 12 feet of a STU-III in secure mode you have just compromised the classified key.'
asciilifeform: (from vintage quasi-usg catalogue, http://www.tscm.freeservers.com/stu.html - apparently this has 'always' been on the net)
asciilifeform: ^ ninjasp4mwifi
decimation: asciilifeform: how can any kind of signal magically compromise a stu?
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ben_vulpes: `emacs` on remote server pops x11 frame locally
ben_vulpes: `emacs -daemon && emacsclient -c`...not so much.
cazalla: mmm home made potato gnocchi with muh tomato/chilli sauce (both from garden) and chorizo.. just missing a beer :\
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ben_vulpes: !up benkay
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assbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQsK6T )
ben_vulpes: harumph.
punkman: !up benkay
ben_vulpes: thanks punkman.
ben_vulpes: just...testing in production.
ben_vulpes: decimation, lmk if you need a hand with erc and sasl.
ben_vulpes: the trick is (drumroll please)
assbot: joseph-gay/erc-sasl · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1MQt2dK )
benkay: ;;ticker
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ben_vulpes: if it's not one thing it's a dang nother.
ben_vulpes: !up yhwh_
ben_vulpes: your cloak is applied after you join, fyi
punkman: !up gmaxwell
gmaxwell: man y'all will get a kick out of the latest foundation lol-event. They have some _utterly_ braindead 'blockchain voting' scheme for their board vote run off (gotta love changing voting infrastructure mid election for election integrity)
gmaxwell: So if you want to block Olivier Janssens from getting approved; for example get miners to just block payments to 1MG6SSwK2qSASM2QgBez2g4YFe3ib4d2eL.
gmaxwell: (the site is so broken that I'm having a hard time extracting addresses for the other options)
punkman: well at least they didn't do another fork to implement colored voting coins or whatever
punkman: let 'em derp (tm)
BingoBoingo: I am astounded at all of the ways they manage to keep screwing this election.
gmaxwell: At the moment it seems all you can do is vote in favor of Olivier Janssens (thats why I'm able to see the address there), the rest of the options are coming up as "not available yet"
gmaxwell: oh the jim harper options are up now too.
punkman: is anyone still buying foundation memberships?
gmaxwell: Org seems to be doing its damndest to commit suicide.
gmaxwell: I also like that contacting Jinyoung Englund to report how buste things are, gets me a "I am out of the office Weds, February 25 through Sunday, March 1, 2015"
assbot: Logged on 24-02-2015 17:39:09; mircea_popescu: this is exactly like suicide : the people who succeed we want. the people who fail should have succeeded.
cazalla: seems fitting lol
BingoBoingo: I mean they were not doing too bad when they were just burning various agencies' time, but then they just pivoted and stopped doing that
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gmaxwell: yea, I actually thought there work there more or less made sense; it had some liability (since they couldn't seem to resist letting people think they 'spoke for bitcoin') but it generally seemed to be going okay. Mostly burning pointless peoples pointless time, sure; but it was nice having _someone_ in combatting all the really agressive fud that some 'bitcoin alternatives' are slinging.
gmaxwell: Another interesting property is that it should be trivial to buy votes with this thing.
fluffypony: how are the votes authenticated? based on the address they're coming from?
gmaxwell: sadly they didn't use this in round 1 where a real statement could be made by buying all the votes and assigning them to a joke candidate.
gmaxwell: fluffypony: looks like it, hard to tell this system is opaque doesn't seem to be publically documented.
gmaxwell: They have some hacked up flaky counterparty wallet software that gives you some preset destitions to vote.
gmaxwell: looks like for each voter they fund them with 0.0021 BTC (and some amount of 'counterparty' altcoin, I dunno how to tell how much)
gmaxwell: looks like one can just take the 0.0021 BTC and not vote.
gmaxwell: (well the UI doesn't prevent it, but the user appears to have the private key for it.)
BingoBoingo: To the best of my knowledge the counterparty altcoin s just BTC that's mislabeled when you look at it through their wallet
gmaxwell: BingoBoingo: nah, it seperately tracks 'counterparty' value, like a colored coin, the bitcoin is irrelevant, and just gets around the fact that bitcoin core won't relay 0 value txouts and miners are lazy and don't change defaults.
thestringpuller: gmaxwell: now that is a name I have not seen in a long long time.
fluffypony: Star Wars reference high five!
gmaxwell: This channel isn't usually to my taste, but I knew some here would appricate this latest BCF lolspectacular.
BingoBoingo: The lulzslide is spectacular in this case
cazalla: gmaxwell, what about #b-a is not to your liking?
fluffypony: cazalla: the smell is kinda funky
thestringpuller: that's cause of all the funny smoke in the room
gmaxwell: I like how this ubersecure voting application embeds third party JS in every page (google analyitics); thats exactly how you go about building secure election and finance software. yup.
gmaxwell: cazalla: not my taste doesn't necessarily imply an active dislike.
BingoBoingo: Seriously. Google analytics is the worst.
BingoBoingo: cazalla: The porn isn't to his aesthetics.
fluffypony: I like GA for the interwebs, it's easy to block if you don't want to be spotted by it
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Still people insert GA in places it doesn't belong
gmaxwell: It's just an extra sideshow on the general lolfest of incompetent broware.
gmaxwell: people building finance software, voting systems, etc. without spending 5 minutes thinking through possible failure modes and making trivial tweaks to mitigate risk.
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BingoBoingo: The entire AJAX bullshit is a scam. All of that user facing javascript is just there to same them on the server bills
BingoBoingo: !up gmaxwell
gmaxwell: yea, well, I've given up yelling "get off my lawn" at people, seems the whole world wants to eat suppositories and other such acts of brillance; my patience in telling other people that they're wrong mostly ran out years ago.
punkman: https://github.com/tedu/reop "a simple, semi-modern wannabe PGP clone"
assbot: tedu/reop · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1wbMask )
BingoBoingo: punkman: He's got some really good ideas, but an elliptic curve? really?
punkman: "it's gotta fit in twitter msg"
fluffypony: Curve25519 is pretty great though
gmaxwell: BingoBoingo: not sure why you'd fault that. Any _general_ improvement in ECC pretty much directly translates into an improvement for factoring; the converse is not true. And all the alternative schemes for _encryption_ have high overheads and complex security stories (though one could use two cryptosystems in parallel intelligently for long term security; I tried arguing for that w/ openpgp years
gmaxwell: ago without success)
BingoBoingo: gmaxwell: I'm just inclined towards giant RSA keys and presenting a hard problem. It's just I'd like the option. That and ECC is already keeping the money safe...
punkman: gpg2 has ECC as well
BingoBoingo: punkman: gpg2 isn't really shipped with anything though because the interface on gpg2 actually sucks
fluffypony: I had to use gpg2 to recv-keys today, because gpg refused to (import filter bug)
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assbot: Gemalto presents the findings of its investigations into the alleged hacking of SIM card encryption keysGemalto presents th ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dov6Vc )
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
assbot: Νίκος Ξυλούρης - Αγρίμια Κι Αγριμάκια Μου - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dox87I )
Vexual: Yikes
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BingoBoingo: !up lrak
BingoBoingo: !up rotarydialer
Vexual: !up rotary dialder yor pre phreak hipster
Vexual: Lol
Vexual: Yeah yeah
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Vexual: Cool handle
Vexual: Its prolly spelling something our
Vexual: Out
Vexual: Or not
Vexual: Youre allowed to touch the button to verify u know
Vexual: Short press
cazalla: !up Vexual
assbot: State Department spokeswoman floats jobs as answer to ISIS | Fox News ... ( http://bit.ly/1DoCpfq )
Vexual: Wot?
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Vexual: Next thing u know im not allowed to catch a train to turkey
punkman: !up greenmon
Vexual: Free passage for the masses I say
Vexual: Even 12 yo gals
Vexual: Identify of course
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danielpbarron: height=226745 vs height=192318
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assbot: Moxie Marlinspike: GPG Has Run Its Course - Slashdot ... ( http://bit.ly/1FscDXo )
danielpbarron: gmaxwell> So if you want to block Olivier Janssens from getting approved; for example get miners to just block payments to 1MG6SSwK2qSASM2QgBez2g4YFe3ib4d2eL. << ah that's why i saw so many doublespends in my debug.log
danielpbarron: lol i just sent some MEAT to that address
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mats: i am really disappointed in moxie
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mats: gpg does suck in a buncha usability ways, but then he goes on to address exactly zero actual problems
mats: then goes on hn to say he doesn't know what the solution is but shills Open Whisper Systems, Mailpile, LEAP
punkman: mats, indeed
mats: as if Text Secure is usable, has a spec or docs like opengpg, as if mailpile doesn't shell out to a gpg binary
mats: also deliberately misleading folks about widespread use with the quantity of keys on sks keyservers
mats: like XXXmn people on e.g. linux don't rely on it daily
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lobbes: "Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a glorious experiment that has run its course. The journalists who depend on it struggle with it and often mess up (“I send you the private key to communicate privately, right?”)" << lol, this doesn't sound like a problem with gpg. I'll never understand this 'hard-to-use' argument. Just take an afternoon and learn the fundamentals!
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mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG."
assbot: GPG and Me | Hacker News ... ( http://bit.ly/17XtA0N )
mats: he went full retard from sentence one. wat.
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mats: hearn and moxie start from the same premise, where tech and crypto are somehow going to paper over deficiencies in human relations and bring useful encryption to everyone everywhere, and somehow gpg is inadequate because it doesn't solve all problems they've imagined but don't actually present as problems to technically capable people
lobbes: reminds me of the 'bitcoins for all the people in Africa' mantra, and if it can't support that it is somehow 'broken'
assbot: I used to dream of a world where everyone would install GPG. Now I dream of a world where I can uninstall it: http://t.co/eRZ0hdlmgx
bitstein: ^ That was the tweet I was responding to, not my own.
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mats: yeah seriously. installing Thunderbird is hard!
mats: so try my Text Secure app on the Play Store.
mats: ok guy.
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assbot: Bitcoin Foundation run-off voting - I just went through the process and here to help : Bitcoin ... ( http://bit.ly/17Xy5sj )
jurov: seems they built it on top of obamacare
jurov: "After confirming your yes/no choice you will be looking for a way to get back to the other candidates to vote for them."
lobbes: Speaking of redditards.. some additional lulz: http://newsletter.8layertech.com/?p=723
assbot: Portable Bitcoin ATM Made by Filipino Students | OPEN NEWS ... ( http://bit.ly/17XBB5Q )
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thestringpuller: bitstein: re: gpg << "GPG is not what consumers have come to expect" is what I'm seeing here.
BingoBoingo: Consumers have driven computing too long.
asciilifeform: marlinspike << shitgnome and 'do-ocrat'
mats: some of the hn comments are, 'lets make gpg as usable as facebook:
asciilifeform: i've had a mild revulsion for him for as long as known about him
asciilifeform: but now can finally pour flondor cement
mircea_popescu: name is vaguely familiar.
bitstein: thestringpuller: I liked Pierre's comment: "Everything must be candy crush UX with JavaScript." https://twitter.com/Pierre_Rochard/status/570412801908477952
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: but now can finally pour flondor cement << brutal. you sure you don't want to be a mobster? :D
mike_c: asciilifeform, why have you always had slight revulsion? I used to think better of him, but this article is useless. poorly written rant with no suggestions.
bitstein: asciilifeform: What I posted was the important part.
mircea_popescu: in a dick tracy sort of way
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: cement << the relevant line is from ru poet vysotsky, 'Я тебя не трону, а душе зарою. И прикажу в залить цементом, чтобы не разрыть.' -- 'i won't touch you, but in my soul i'll bury you, and order cement poured so as not to ever dig up'
asciilifeform: mike_c: elsewhere he suggests many things, all of them quite zimmermanesque
thestringpuller: old zimmerman or new zimmerman?
thestringpuller: reminds me of my current CEO, "Blah blah blah ENCRYPTION AS A SERVICE, blah blah blah. THE FUTURE." *applause from dumb audience here*
mike_c: phil zimmerman is a bad guy?
asciilifeform: mike_c: as of 2010 or so
mircea_popescu: nowadays ;/
mike_c: how.. disappointing
asciilifeform: mike_c: pushes closed-source turds for iPnohe as 'ultra-secure' etc.
mircea_popescu: very. in there with bvuffett.
mircea_popescu: my heart was the size of a rice grain when djikstra got linked yest.
asciilifeform: dijkstra never betrayed
thestringpuller: mike_c: disappointing << people are disappointing no? otherwise we would not need WoT...
mircea_popescu: right. neither did zimmerman until he one day started derping about "dark phone"
mircea_popescu: actually, i recall mentioning here that "wtf, this guy publicly takes pride in having lost his gpg key ?" a while back
asciilifeform: dijkstra died as lived - honest man
mircea_popescu: thankfully.
thestringpuller: dat balmer syndrome...one day you're just "Developer developer developers" sweating profusely on a stage and you don't know why.
asciilifeform: this is why among the most brilliant jp inventions is the seppuku rite. (and, in euro world, the lesser roman version thereof)
mircea_popescu: assbot: Kerry: Moscow lying 'to my face' over Ukraine << roflmao. fuckwit lost some election long long ago, imagines what this does is put him in charge of Barbaria ? instead of you know, Usia ?
asciilifeform: instead of derping like headless chicken for decades, publicly dump out guts - if can make a statement with it, so much the better
mircea_popescu: same al gore schtick. "what's at state in a us presidential election is who gets rome and who gets constantinople"
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: actually he's reichsminister
mircea_popescu: that's not the point. the point is, who the fuck ever heard of the attitude.
mircea_popescu: "moscow" "lying" "to his face" ? wtf is he, supervisor in chief ? dad ?
asciilifeform: it's the absolute standard usian 'the planet is our banana farm' attitude
mircea_popescu: but he's a LOSER.
mike_c: moxie's sekrit thingy is open source though. that's better than somewhat silent circle
mircea_popescu: you know ? he's arguably not even PART of the usianistan.
mircea_popescu: decimation: "Oh I'm totally an awesome diplomat, look at my years of usg experience!" << this lol.
asciilifeform: sec. of state
asciilifeform: definitely 'part', no ?
mircea_popescu: were i putin i'd put something in pravda.us "Kerry is so inept I would fire him if I ran the US."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i dun see it.
asciilifeform: read 'foreign minister,' to civilized folks
asciilifeform: our own little ribbentrop
mircea_popescu: why would anyone still receive him after something like this i dun understand ?
mircea_popescu: next he shows up have him detained at border for 36 hours, let him go with a 10 year interdict.
mircea_popescu: mats: give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust << almost there anyway, yeh.
asciilifeform: moxie's sekrit thingy is open source though << ahahahaha lol. open just like openssl
mike_c: fine. i will deduct two points from his wot rating in my head. that's too bad.
asciilifeform: 'I simply asked him -- in a private email -- if there was a signature for Convergence someplace because I didn't see any online. He accused me of being "inflammatory" and stated it was necessary to "take a leap of faith" (i.e. download and run it without verification). This was back in 2012, mind you. He appeared to be oddly anti-PGP back then, too. Frankly, after that I had no appetite for any more of his, erm, style and forg
asciilifeform: ot about Convergence. Years later, I had to abandon DoNotTrackMe (by a Moxie-run company, Abine) nee 'Blur' for Ghostery instead when the former got an update that kept hogging the CPU. An email to Abine just yielded a response to keep updating Blur, but the problem never went away.'
asciilifeform: ^ pasted here for the record
asciilifeform: because gigglets like this have a way of 'disappearing' from forums
ben_vulpes: "An agile, distributed, and secure strategy for replacing Certificate Authorities" << agile, hah.
mircea_popescu: lol good idea.
asciilifeform: thing is, the man knows what he's doing. not 'useful idiot', he. is including the zombie horde of 'people' for whom 'gpg is hard' in order to reach his conclusion, rather than reached his conclusion because useful idiot and automatically included them
asciilifeform: *including in his reasoning
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://www.noblis.org << usg dept. of btcdiddlery - incidentally.
assbot: Noblis Home ... ( http://bit.ly/1BtF5Li )
asciilifeform: had various mildly smoking guns for this in stash for a while, now add the fact of them crawling specific pages on me site
asciilifeform: (why these folks insist on publicly advertising this act, is beyond me)
thestringpuller: !s codeclimate
assbot: 0 results for 'codeclimate' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=codeclimate
BingoBoingo: Maybe they figure everyone's depreciated reading /var/
asciilifeform: i suggest that everyone check their server logs for these clowns
asciilifeform: take with grain of salt, but folks fairly deep in the belly of the beast have suggested that 'noblis' is where the handprints from 'bitcoin atm' crap, pseudonyms from 'changetip' chumpatron, 'aml/kyc' idiocy, etc. all ends up.
danielpbarron: huh, i think he deleted my comment
asciilifeform: linked up with blockchain as well as they can
PeterL: "The best way to go is probably fixed fee + per line fee or something." I like this, encourages less LoC bloat
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform noblis ? could be incidental.
PeterL: ^from the trilema post just linked
mircea_popescu: they do a lot of contractor work crawling thre web
asciilifeform: PeterL: the notion that the folks paying are getting -anything- other than lighter wallet - is a laugh
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: could be.
asciilifeform: but a fella with 'loose lips' fingered them as where-nsa-actually-has-the-work-done.
asciilifeform: again, i'm 'selling this for same price as bought'
jurov: so you imply nsa is behind btcatm anad changetip?
asciilifeform: http://www.noblis-nsp.com << diddlamatics division
assbot: Noblis NSP ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQwAHt )
asciilifeform: jurov: 'behind' is wrong word here
asciilifeform: the way usg contracting works, folks eager-to-please get preemptively down on their knees
asciilifeform: and offer services
mircea_popescu: "behind" lol. btcatm has to report right ?
danielpbarron: i think my comment was something like "It's possible to achieve 'Perfect forward secrecy' with GPG; you're just retarded. And if it isn't brain damage, I can only assume you have been enlisted on to lizard hitler's payroll"
asciilifeform: idk if these folks run the phillipino content farms, but they are almost certainly the shepherds of the usg db with palmprints linked to blockchain tx from idiots
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: "diddlematics" << i never figured kako for a collaborator...
jurov: lol, like one can speculate i have created coinbr to preemptively get down on nsa or some such
ben_vulpes: it's a pun.
asciilifeform: jurov: coinbr doesn't collect fingerprints iirc
asciilifeform: or passport photos
asciilifeform: neither does kako's bet machine
asciilifeform: this is how you tell the difference. but this is elementary alphabet to #b-a folks
jurov: i can see them trying to. only by sheer luck is what i'm doing covered as "financial service" atm
danielpbarron: assbot collects fingerprints
ben_vulpes: jurov: "preemptively go down" << ftfy :P
jurov: so that i don't need to mess with eu vat
nubbins`: incidentally, was there ever a qntra article about cavirtex shutting down?
nubbins`: they say they're shutting because they realized their customer db was compromised at some point in the past
jurov: but some day i can see them going "financial service? yea we got some regulation for you"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: this is simply what usg... is << i actually have a more psychotropic theory. basically, on some subconscious level, us knows it's become uss. and what it wants is, the validation of "well i didn't do anything useful, but at least the stupid thing i did i did WELL". this to be obtained, in the way such nonsense works, by confronting the symbolic representative thereof and "winning".
assbot: CAVIRTEX Shutting Down, Withdrawals "Temporarily Disabled" | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQxAva )
nubbins`: which sorta 100% agrees with everyone in #bitcoin-cad, including me, saying we started getting mysterious emails with .jar attachments around this time
nubbins`: PeterL ok!
mircea_popescu: notice that the us diplomacy is nowhere nearly as inept handling china. arguably russia is more of a threat tho, at least immediately.
nubbins`: PeterL they knew about the intrusion a year or two ago
mircea_popescu: chinese politburo isn't going around publicly and internationally humiliating us president with a monthly frequency.
nubbins`: let it coast until now
mircea_popescu: heh. so why now then ?
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nubbins`: that's the q
asciilifeform: china isn't in a deathcage match against rest of the planet trying for 200 yrs. to render its population for fat and to more easily get at the minerals
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 07:05:44; cazalla: mmm home made potato gnocchi with muh tomato/chilli sauce (both from garden) and chorizo.. just missing a beer :\
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you think ?
mircea_popescu: maybe you dunno china.
asciilifeform: or rather, it is
asciilifeform: but unnoticed in the shadow of the ru match
mircea_popescu: lol. they have no trees and now cows. think about it.
assbot: Official CaVirtex.com Thread ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQy98g )
PeterL: nobody cares what china does with its peasants
asciilifeform: actually what cn has is precisely bipedal wealth
nubbins`: sept '14
asciilifeform: folks who are still willing to assemble machinery for a penny a day
asciilifeform: without toilet breaks
asciilifeform: this is, by some indications, a non-renewable resource that's getting burned up rather quickly
asciilifeform: possibly even faster than the ones ordinarily spoken of
nubbins`: peak meat
nubbins`: hey, remember "peak oil"?
asciilifeform: thing is, assembling, e.g., pc mobos, isn't mining U at butugychag. you can't get quality performance at bayonet point
mircea_popescu: pack meat. lawl.
asciilifeform: so the 'willing' part is key
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i think this difference is spurious.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if it were spurious, africa would be the real china
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mircea_popescu: no, it wouldn't. africa, as unfortunately and politically unpleasant that sounds, probably sucks because genetics.
mircea_popescu: otherwise, recall the zek research centers.
asciilifeform: ^ not secret
PeterL: somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized
mircea_popescu: how exactly different from us research you think that is ?
mircea_popescu: PeterL the problem is : africa is essentially "they who stayed". those always suck.
mircea_popescu: it's been selected for 250k years for suckage. no fixing that.
asciilifeform: zek sharashkas is essentially the same thing as where i live now
asciilifeform: so i'd know something about.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and no bayonet ?
asciilifeform: 'carrot'
mircea_popescu: pointed carrot.
asciilifeform: what's the carrot for sitting at conveyor 12h straight with no toilet break ?
mircea_popescu: i dunno, i don't specialize in that shit.
asciilifeform: the carrot, as far as i understand, is that it looks like a great deal next to your grandfather's rotting in rice paddy
nubbins`: <+PeterL> somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized <<< surely external help running the show is the path to self sufficiency
asciilifeform: the essential ingredient is that your grandfather had to have rotted in the rice.
asciilifeform: if instead he drove 'mercedes' - then not so hot.
mircea_popescu: "hey, let's make it into the south pre 1830, then they can be invaded by lincoln v2.0 and have detroit!"
punkman: PeterL: somebody just has to get the Africans organized and industrialized << China's all over it, but they might have to import a billion chinese workers
asciilifeform: china imports own workers sop.
asciilifeform: this, incidentally, was supposed to happen in crimea
asciilifeform: before the change-of-plans.
asciilifeform: !s china crimea
assbot: 3 results for 'china crimea' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=china+crimea
asciilifeform: they've developed an american-style agricultural practice for use in leased foreign lands, as well
PeterL: nubbins`: I am not saying self-sufficiency, I am saying rivaling china for output. I also have no idea how one would go about doing it, just saying there are lots of people in Africa which could be used as a resource for the right person
asciilifeform: that is quite like 'strip mining'
asciilifeform: PeterL: the quickest cure for this notion is to try it
asciilifeform: no need to go to the continent, even
nubbins`: PeterL no doubt. worth noting that "rivaling china for output" is not necessarily a positive
asciilifeform: try the local immigrants
PeterL: you want me to go over to Detroit and organize the populace into something not a worthless mess?
asciilifeform: ^ example
PeterL: "I have big plans, BIG PLANS!, as mayor I will accomplish AMAZING things, with your help!"
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
PeterL: my brother works in the Detroit Public Schools, from his anecdotes I have little hope things will change there.
mircea_popescu: PeterL tis is rank nonsense, you know.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: back to the cn phactory gurlz, it's an open economic question whether a particular one can physically generate enough wealth to pay for 'carroting' it
chetty: put a big fence around Detroit and come back in a hundred years
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's rather like how you cannot have an engine use more energy for, e.g., alternator, than burning fuel yields
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the idea is that you have someone trading you 1 joule of fuel for half joule of electricity.
mircea_popescu: that's how these economies always close.
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
gabriel_laddel: ;; google chinese eat dogs, cats
gribble: 9 Countries That Eat Cats and Dogs | The Daily Meal: <http://www.thedailymeal.com/9-countries-eat-cats-and-dogs/11414>; Dog meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dog_meat>; Cat meat - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cat_meat>
asciilifeform: chinese eat anything that can be digested
asciilifeform: (and attempt plenty of things that can't)
gabriel_laddel: it seems to me that if the west would just fuck off and let China have Africa everything will go swimmingly.
asciilifeform: recently there was a widely-copied newspaper piece re: tiger farms
assbot: Gutter oil - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQApfQ )
asciilifeform: yes, eat them
asciilifeform: aha gutter oil
gabriel_laddel: they don't have the same sensibilities, being a different people (*gasp*).
asciilifeform: best thing to prepare fresh tiger in
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel that's the plan. it won't work, but anyway.
mircea_popescu: time for some non-white colonisation failures after all.
gabriel_laddel: it won't work.. why?
asciilifeform: some non-white colonisation failures << jp got there first
mircea_popescu: why. because shit doesn't work.
assbot: BEING A GRACIOUS WINNER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQASi7 )
assbot: Save the Tiger: The animals bred for bones on China’s tiger farms - Commentators - Voices - The Independent ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQBgwS )
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punkman: apparently not for meat
punkman: "The Xionsen Wine Company sells bottles of eight-year-old tiger bone wine, also fortified with tiger penis, for around £200"
PeterL: they make the wine from crushed bones of 8-yo tigers?
NewLiberty: I don't want to know what they did to the tiger to encourage that kind of fortifying
mircea_popescu: no, they crush baby bones let them sit for 8 years
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 08:22:52; gmaxwell: man y'all will get a kick out of the latest foundation lol-event. They have some _utterly_ braindead 'blockchain voting' scheme for their board vote run off (gotta love changing voting infrastructure mid election for election integrity)
assbot: Overhead photos of cramped apartments in Hong Kong - Telegraph ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQCbgN )
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mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033036 << it implies the awkward situation where he's been an idiot, doesn't know how to beg forgiveness, represents instead that hey, at least claiming /his/ taste is somehow involved. at least that protects ego a little.
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 08:49:12; gmaxwell: cazalla: not my taste doesn't necessarily imply an active dislike.
mircea_popescu: !up Phraust
mircea_popescu: "the alleged hacking of SIM card encryption keys" eh ?
mircea_popescu: assbot: State Department spokeswoman floats jobs as answer to ISIS | http://log.bitcoin-assets.com//?date=23-02-2015#1030497
assbot: Logged on 23-02-2015 15:20:03; mircea_popescu: the ONLY way i'd have them fighting overseas is if congress approves this plan whereby a) all territory we step on gets granted territory status ; b) soldiers once veteranized are rewarded in homesteads there, and HAVE TO marry local
Phraust: thanks.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033119 << that may not be exactly misleading, it may just be he spoke too early. maybe the plan is to pop the sks system, and if they put a little pressure who exactly is going to stand up to it ?
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 14:34:59; mats: also deliberately misleading folks about widespread use with the quantity of keys on sks keyservers
mircea_popescu: (we, of course, which prolly means we're redoing the sks too)
PeterL: add that to the #b-a todo list?
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033123 << yes but social media crowd "has no time". somehow they can jump the moment the damned phone blink, but to spend an hour to think quietly with a book ? not possibru.
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 14:39:34; lobbes: "Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a glorious experiment that has run its course. The journalists who depend on it struggle with it and often mess up (“I send you the private key to communicate privately, right?”)" << lol, this doesn't sound like a problem with gpg. I'll never understand this 'hard-to-use' argument. Just take an afternoon and learn the fundamentals!
mircea_popescu: "wouldja like brainfries with that ?"
mircea_popescu: PeterL not just yet.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-02-2015#1033125 << what we've learneds is to take the usg party at the opposite of its word.
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 14:42:59; mats: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9104188 >> mike_hearn "In the world of crypto, where we've learned so much, yes old means bad. Almost always... How many crypto geeks STILL spout rubbish about how the PKI is totally busted and the web of trust is the future? Way too many... The future of encrypted messaging is not GPG."
mircea_popescu: but that quote is fucking epic.
BingoBoingo: but, how could the chief scientusk of BitcoinXT be wrong?
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitstein in a purely ops perspective, it's always a bad idea to link those you disagree with. replace with a link to something you agree to. @moxie knows what he wrote.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: wait wut ?
nubbins`: today i learned it is legal to sell and serve dog meat in canada
mircea_popescu: nubbins` it's often enough eatne in spain.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the speed at which the entire world seems to be coagulating around us is nothing short of impressive.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: BitcoinXT is the hearn foundation Bitcoin fork which has all kinds of features even Gavin rejected because they make nodes incredibly more DoS attackable
mircea_popescu: that b-a drives "biutcoin foundation" policy is not even remarkable. that assets like the marlinspike dood are thrown in the fray to try and prevent a wot based republic however...
mircea_popescu: at this rate indiancandy1 is getting replaced with madonna on the short term.
nubbins`: mildly amusing to see this phoundation push for full nodes after it started being worked on in here
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo oh that lol. eh, nobody cares.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` rather.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo and you know, if you follow the course of events, #1 we went to anti-uspoettering debvian chan
mircea_popescu: next week ? ra ra ra "no wot plox"
BingoBoingo: It is amusing. Still when it comes time to replace GPG it will look more like https://github.com/tedu/reop than any Moxenslit iPerson thing (except... with RSA support and done in ADA/Common Lisp)
assbot: tedu/reop · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQFV1Z )
assbot: ‘Activism’ class at University of Michigan teaches capitalism should be ‘overthrown’ ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQGdWA )
mircea_popescu: but by all means.
mircea_popescu: in unrelated news, chetty just found a layered bug in the stack eulora uses. one bug prevented the functionality (wrong pointer reference) ; the other bug prevented the previous bug from crashing every single machine all the time.
mircea_popescu: one suspects this is what counts for fixing.
assbot: NY "Environmental Protection" Raid Drives Suicide | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQIiBX )
mircea_popescu: til internet dictionaries define indigence as "the state of being poor".
mircea_popescu: this is exactly wrong. indigence is the state of being worthless.
bitstein: mircea_popescu: Good advice, thanks.
mircea_popescu: "That a public education system could disgorge untold legions of literate, numerate, and motivated graduates is beyond their collective comprehension. How unlucky the Caucasoid races are to have all the kids with learning disabilities."
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mircea_popescu: bwahahaha al is pretty cool.
assbot: BEING A GRACIOUS WINNER ... ( http://bit.ly/1EQJvJj )
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: gonna guess it was a 'suicide' rather than suicide
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: or there'd be at least a few dead polizei
asciilifeform: or what, he kept pistol with exactly one bullet, like a cosmonaut ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Reportedly did it in a locked bathroom with a .357 magnum
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not everyone's the outgoing kind.
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mircea_popescu: "There just seems to be something particular about people who try GPG and conclude that it’s a realistic path to introducing private communication in their lives for casual correspondence with strangers. Increasingly, it’s a club that I don’t want to belong to anymore." << well... granted, eh.
mircea_popescu: the oil and the water are separating, and no welfarist state-sponsored mixer can do anything abotu the accelerating rate.
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mircea_popescu: "Worse, it turns out that nobody else found all this stuff to be fascinating. Even though GPG has been around for almost 20 years, there are only ~50,000 keys in the “strong set,” and less than 4 million keys have ever been published to the SKS keyserver pool ever. By today’s standards, that’s a shockingly small user base for a month of activity, much less 20 years."
mircea_popescu: "nobody else" as in, all people are equal, getting a 50k elite out of a 4mn aspirational set out of a 1bn population is somehow unexpected and un-natural.
PeterL: do people use keys not submitted to key servers?
mircea_popescu: "What we have
mircea_popescu: Today, journalists use GPG to communicate with sources securely, activists use it to coordinate world wide, and software companies use it to help secure their infrastructure. Some really heroic people have put in an enormous amount of effort to get us here, at substantial personal cost, and with little support.
mircea_popescu: Looking forward, however, I think of GPG as a very dangerous technology that really has to go away if we're serious about making it impossible for journalists, their sources, activists and other enemies of the state to survive in a NSA/TSA/ETC-only world."
mircea_popescu: PeterL sure, there's nothing but convenience requiring it.
PeterL: so that number of users could be understated
mircea_popescu: as a side note : secure comunication via gpg works as follows :
mircea_popescu: 1) you find the public key of the public interface you wish to use
mircea_popescu: 2) you generate - SECURELY (see airgap guide etc) a new keypair for yourself
mircea_popescu: 3) you send mail to 1 using 2 and including pubkey for your new key.
mircea_popescu: this can be repeated as many times as you wish, and it can also be used as an otr process (just make new key for each exchange).
danielpbarron: for the logs, perfect forward secrecy ^
mircea_popescu: half way, because if the public interface is compromised it still sees all your emails.
mircea_popescu: "Even the projects that attempt to use it as a dependency struggle." heh
danielpbarron: the people throwing this term around are advocates of some fully automated process that runs on their phone, so...
assbot: Moxie Marlinspike >> Blog >> GPG And Me ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzhAhb )
mircea_popescu: disqus eh
thestringpuller: GPG is bad SSL good!
thestringpuller: ^- the new propaganda on encryption
thestringpuller: d00d from FBI wants to outlaw GPG in US (again)
mircea_popescu: and still pushing the pki ridiculousness.
mircea_popescu: "oh, it works."
mircea_popescu: "it just works!!! "
mircea_popescu: i wonder if i could sell some cars to these idiots that are really wooden crates with lcd screen inside.
mircea_popescu: "takes you wherever you want to go! not really..."
mircea_popescu: "but it's just as good and much easier to use than a car!11"
PeterL: and gets better gas mileage!
thestringpuller: the sad thing is you could do that and prob get bonus at some firm in the US
PeterL: fully electric even!
mircea_popescu: plus, it prevents not only traffic accidents (leading cause of death!) but also, this one time, this guy used a car and was robbed!
assbot: Logged on 23-01-2015 21:26:58; asciilifeform: the fastest, thickest, most luxurious car is --- not having to go places.
mircea_popescu: i should probably ycombinate a start-up to deploy tons of these in old warehouses across the us
mircea_popescu: get some fed grants for it, idiots will prolly go in the box just to be different...
mircea_popescu: soon enough a "competitor" to gm has been born.
mircea_popescu: and prolly have more market cap than gm, as far as that goes.
PeterL: and politicians will promise "an MP-car for every garage!"
mircea_popescu: well... 200sqft "studio", as the case may be.
PeterL: heh, I like that name, because when you say it MP-car sounds alot like empty-car
mircea_popescu: lol so it does.
BingoBoingo: MT Car, by Mircea Trabant company
jurov: dunno better comparison to pki would be a car without steering whell, steered by usg
jurov: which there already are some
thestringpuller: lol self driving car in future prevents you from going to certain places.
thestringpuller: "I want to go to the strip club" "Cannot drive to that destination"
mircea_popescu: nah, because a) the usg doesn't care to steer you a particular direction. it only wants you to not move - it's a bureaucracy after all, it has no resources to deal with change, nor can change mean anything but it's ass ; b) the illusion of free wheeling is what's important.
chetty: and delivers you to the gasenwagen when the time comes
assbot: National Review ... ( http://bit.ly/1vzki6g )
mircea_popescu: lol you can do that now ?
mircea_popescu: "o hey, i refuse to testify. fu."
thestringpuller: chetty: or turns into a gasenwagen! gas just starts spewing out.
chetty: well I guess they still sorta respect the 5th amendment, might be the only one left
thestringpuller: except when you exercise it they just throw you into a hole
mircea_popescu: uh... his family is somehow involved ?
chetty: well this fcc chair was against net nuetrality a while back, then he had a meeting with ?? and 332 pags of new regulation (stamped secret) appeared. You figure it out
mircea_popescu: so basically, no high speed for the us. ever.
mircea_popescu: being humiliated by shitholes like romania apparently isn't going to be a temporary situation.
chetty: well I guess the usaians need to learn from the greeks how make mesh nets
mircea_popescu: no see, the socialised medicine is just good enopugh to prevent an actually useful, individual solution.
mircea_popescu: it's how africa's being "helped" : ban the perfectly fine fillament lightbulbs just as they get to where they could maybe make some, trickle in a little food so most people don't want to work.
mircea_popescu: same thing will be with the fcc internet : just fast enough people don't start making an independent one.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 's "gravity hole" is a constructive element, not a random occurence.
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chetty: same thing will be with the fcc internet : just fast enough people don't start making an independent one.// speed will not be the only issue, think china
BingoBoingo: But the FCC internet will give users Fat Pipes, to better DoS real people with.
chetty: anybody tried raising pigeons?
ben_vulpes: ;;seen pigeons
gribble: pigeons was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 30 weeks, 3 days, 1 hour, 40 minutes, and 0 seconds ago: <pigeons> so far that seems accurate
jurov: lol....guess using drones is cheaper than pigeons by now
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: high speed << not actually a major problem in the american population centres
ascii_field: it's the other stuff.
ascii_field: (e.g. i get ~100 megabaud and can get 500 if paid a little more)
ascii_field: decimation: how can any kind of signal magically compromise a stu? << no magic necessary, just ordinary heterodyne
mircea_popescu: ascii_field not so far.
mircea_popescu: however, romania is, like all of asia, on gbps sorta thing
ascii_field: for ~1/5 the cost, probably, yes
mircea_popescu: usual 30 bux a month
ascii_field: but decent bandwidth isn't this totally unattainable thing in gringolandia
ascii_field: just costs a few times mroe
ascii_field: (and price goes up geometrically with distance from major 'icbm targets')
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mircea_popescu: more's the point : it won't stay that way.
mircea_popescu: no argument that health care was attainable in the us cca 2010. just cost a liuttle more.
ascii_field: !s internet of the future
assbot: 8 results for 'internet of the future' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=internet+of+the+future
mircea_popescu: it will not be, for any sum, by 2020.
ascii_field: 'For a goat may butt, and a worm may sting, / And a child will sometimes stand; / But a poor dead soldier of the King / Can never lift a hand.' (herr kipling)
ascii_field: don't expect much of anything from usa 2020.
ascii_field: orlov, interestingly, argued that high speed net is key in the modern usg 'panem et circenses' program and will chug along long after problems with supplying the basics of life have begun
ascii_field: but it'll be the 'internet of the future' rather than what we're using now.
mircea_popescu: actually intermittent low bw internet would be better for that purpose. keep the redditard busy
BingoBoingo: "Netflix"
mircea_popescu: ah there is that.
BingoBoingo: "Streaming Video" and online gaming are the USG approved application of surplus bandwidth
ascii_field: don't forget streaming audio from microphones chump voluntarily keeps in the house, car, etc
BingoBoingo: Well, has to go both directions
BingoBoingo: !up BayAreaCoins
BingoBoingo: !up jborkl
BingoBoingo: !up felipelalli
BayAreaCoins: Thanks Bingo
BayAreaCoins: MP do you plan on pulling the CLAM bet on BitBet or is it going to run its course? If you do cancel it I assume the coins will just be sent to the payment addresses?
mircea_popescu: which bet is this ?
assbot: BitBet - CLAM losing grip -> sells 0.0029 or lower before April 25th :: 0.18 B (3%) on Yes, 5.08 B (97%) on No | closing in 1 month 3 weeks | weight: 93`348 (100`000 to 10) ... ( http://bit.ly/1Dqxbjc )
mircea_popescu: its gonna run.
jborkl: sup bitches
punkman: "144 Universities Warn Congress Pending Patent Legislation Would Harm U.S. Innovation System" http://www.aau.edu/policy/article.aspx?id=15923
assbot: Association of American Universities ... ( http://bit.ly/1DqxjiT )
BayAreaCoins: Thanks MP.
BayAreaCoins: Y'all fellas have a nice day.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: danke BingoBoingo
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20890 @ 0.00042422 = 8.862 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12600 @ 0.00041732 = 5.2582 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00041492 = 2.0124 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31124 @ 0.00042291 = 13.1627 BTC [+] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up btcat
BingoBoingo: Hello btcat
btcat: hello
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: ascii_field dun take it teh wrong way, but! the thanking is kinda spammy.
mike_c: if we could sign into b-a with our facebook accounts we wouldn't have to get up'ed when we were in the field.
ascii_field: with anal print
mircea_popescu: but i don't have a facebook account ;/
ben_vulpes: there an assbot persistent otp link per key?
mircea_popescu: i thought they're single use ?
ben_vulpes: sure, the otp itself.
assbot: TV anchor Kristi Capel off air until Monday after racial slur : Lifestyles ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEh5V2 )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12000 @ 0.00042147 = 5.0576 BTC [-]
jux: they just mentioned this place on teamspeak so i am checking it out
mircea_popescu: who's they
jux: teamspeak all the audio bitcoin chatters/traders
thestringpuller: a lot of new people are stopping in
thestringpuller: welcome guise
thestringpuller: !up assbot
thestringpuller: !up ascii_field
mats: teamspeak sounds like a horrifically bad medium to communicate with more than, say, three people at a time
mircea_popescu: notmuch worse than the historical forum.
mircea_popescu: most decent guild players have meanwhile learned to stfu / use it sanely.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15150 @ 0.00041819 = 6.3356 BTC [-]
assbot: What ARE politicians doing that’s so important that they travel with lights and sirens? | Burned-Out Medic ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEo00t )
ascii_field: BingoBoingo: sop in ru
ascii_field: for decades.
mircea_popescu: and the answer is "nothing".
mircea_popescu: that's it : unimportance must be masked.
ascii_field: ru politicos even fight to decide who merits 'blinker' - like roman lictors
trinque: got the deedbot blockchain up to date yesterday, haxed on the transaction creating guy
trinque: mired in irl work until this evening, but will be finishing up then
trinque: not to derail current convos, but I finally caught up on the current events blockchain as well
trinque: are we really trying to instigate wwiii?
trinque: advisors in ukraine like 'nam
trinque: tanks in europe, etc
danielpbarron: hi jux :D
trinque: I feel like I'm going to get my startup profitable just as the roof caves in
danielpbarron: https://twitter.com/flibbr/status/570684349152165888 @danielpbarron I have insiders in #bitcoin-assets now. I am inviting you onto the teamspeak. It'd be rude not to show your face :)
assbot: /danielpbarron Daniel r u going to come onto this 200+ user global bitcoin teamspeak channel and bring your cult /hashtag/bitcoinassets?src=hash mates?
chetty: 200+ people talking at once? oh what fun, hold me back
danielpbarron: I joined his google hangout one time; the guy was so flabbergasted with my position that he kept repeating explitives relating to how unbelievable it was
mircea_popescu: trinque it's usually how that works.
trinque: mircea_popescu: heh, I've always figured I'd be dragging myself out of rubble at some point
trinque: haven't ever been certain whether that was a metaphor
lobbes: fatmouse is coming
chetty: think of all the fun to be had rebuilding trinque
danielpbarron: aww the "insider" left
mircea_popescu: anyway, the notion that dod is dumb enough to re-do vietnam...
ascii_field: re-do iraq
ascii_field: re-do afghan
mircea_popescu: it's all just one dumb redo huh
ascii_field: what else -does- it do
trinque: chetty: one hopes it's an opportunity for greatness to emerge
mircea_popescu: the only practical thing it does is it forces women to shut up, with the resultant shutdown of welfare, classes with no grades, coddled children etc.
mircea_popescu: you'd think this could be modulated in the head rather than in the welted butt.
ascii_field: mats: basic winblows
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mats: yeup.
mats: learning windows internals is a daily struggle...
assbot: The Last Psychiatrist: Academics Hide Drug Company Payments ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEu8pA )
mircea_popescu: Believe me, I am no friend of Biederman's. But the money is a red herring. If you want to be angry about the specific ethics of a psychiatrist receiving Pharma money, fine, but I am telling you it is not worth the Senate time, not worth press space.
mircea_popescu: The real money, the real problem that goes unmentioned is the money that goes to universities, in the form of research grants. Biederman may have pocketed $1M, but I'm sure he was awarded much, much more for clinical trials-- money which he didn't get any of, which went to Harvard.
mircea_popescu: We aren't overmedicating kids because Biederman told us to; we're doing it because Harvard told us to. And Harvard told us to because that is what they are getting money to study. Biederman is just the nanobot that does it.
mircea_popescu: If Biederman never existed, nothing would be different. You read his resume, you think, wow, he's a big player. You don't realize that if he didn't exist there would be some other person in his exact position, who would also have become a Distinguished Professor, won awards, written 450 publications, etc. The machine was already in place, his slot was going to get filled; his mind didn't discover anything, those res
mircea_popescu: ults were coming no matter what, those publications were already going to be written.
mircea_popescu: The money isn't corrupting him into thinking childhood bipolar is underdiagnosed-- he truly believes it. The reason he believes it is his entire professional existence-- his whole identity-- is predicated on believing it. He's not a scientist, he's a priest.
mircea_popescu: if anyone in any position of "big playerness" in fiat is curious to see exactly how true this is ? take a week to not do anything. at all.
mircea_popescu: hey, you're a big player, right ? not doing anything is the default, i'm sure caesar could sit on his ass in the castrum and play dice with the centurions for three straight winters if he so wanted.
mircea_popescu: it's not that he didn't trhat makes him one of those big players, it's that it was solely his option to do so, and didn't.
mircea_popescu: is the same the case for you ? if you simply stop doing your cog-part, is there any pressure ?
mircea_popescu: how long can you stop the machine before you're simply replaced ?
mircea_popescu: that's the measure of power.
pete_dushenski: sort of why obama fills every moment of every day meeting with various online celebs
pete_dushenski: if he sat still for a moment, you'd forget who was in the white house
assbot: Count your blessings, government employees, to say nothing of your days. | Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1LEvTTR )
trinque: mircea_popescu: how can anything be done about that particular problem of identity?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9850 @ 0.00042147 = 4.1515 BTC [+]
trinque: trying to articulate the actual question
trinque: seems having a name creates this bundle of "I am" in the head, which people protect as they do their own bodies
trinque: or even at the cost of their actual bodies
mircea_popescu: trinque which particular problem is that ?
mircea_popescu: identity is the result of action. action requires agency. a perverse system (such as any high density population will always create) separates action from agency. ("i'm only doing my job").
mircea_popescu: this results in broken identity, and there's literally no solution except carnage (bring down that density), which is why people who figure it out usually leave a note where their assault rifles used to be.
trinque: saw you link joe stack the other day
trinque: friends and I had a little celebration that day
mircea_popescu: commemoration ?
ascii_field: doing my job << 'i wüz ünly föllöwing ürderz'
trinque: mircea_popescu: yeah
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 34500 @ 0.00041818 = 14.4272 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: the entire "act from cause not towards purpose" thing on trilema is exactly a vaccine against that.
trinque: his note got a little slogan laden, but I unerstand the grief
thestringpuller: ah pete_dushenski the trap philosopher :D
trinque: mircea_popescu: that's an exceptionally clarifying statement, and one which I think helps me articulate the identity thing
mircea_popescu: if person has enough sense to limit how much agencyless activity they put out, they will stand a much better chance to develop an actual idenity, and so not find themselves at age 40 flying planes into buildings.
assbot: CABINET // The Behavioral Sink ... ( http://bit.ly/1EsPxlx )
pete_dushenski: thestringpuller ;)
ascii_field: 'Normal social discourse within the mouse community broke down, and with it the ability of mice to form social bonds. The failures and dropouts congregated in large groups in the middle of the enclosure, their listless withdrawal occasionally interrupted by spasms and waves of pointless violence. The victims of these random attacks became attackers. Left on their own in nests subject to invasion, nursing females attacked
ascii_field: their own young. Procreation slumped, infant abandonment and mortality soared. Lone females retreated to isolated nesting boxes on penthouse levels. Other males, a group Calhoun termed “the beautiful ones,” never sought sex and never fought—they just ate, slept, and groomed, wrapped in narcissistic introspection.'
trinque: mircea_popescu: when I became disillusioned with god and state, that involved a realization that I could feel towards myself any way I saw fit
trinque: my identity is as imagined as the god I used to believe in
thestringpuller: 16:18 -!- hanbot [~hanbot@unaffiliated/hanbot] has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds]
thestringpuller: 16:18 -!- mircea_popescu [~Mircea@pdpc/supporter/silver/mircea-popescu] has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds]
thestringpuller: ^^^- the stuff conspiracy theories are made of ;)
cazalla: logs were an interesting read this morning
pete_dushenski: cazalla the gmaxwell bit ?
cazalla: pete_dushenski, moxie and gpg discussion
pete_dushenski: o ya, i called his ass out yesterday
pete_dushenski: sorta what kicked the whole thing off on twitter at least
assbot: I used to dream of a world where everyone would install GPG. Now I dream of a world where I can uninstall it: http://t.co/eRZ0hdlmgx
cazalla: yeah, i read the twitter discussion too
pete_dushenski: usg's gotta throw all its turds at the wall
pete_dushenski: not that surprising
pete_dushenski: use what you can
pete_dushenski: then again, i'd never heard of moxie until he decided to be a retard so i dunno if he really had that much cred to begin with. i assume he was small but not insignificant
cazalla: moxie is australian if memory serves
pete_dushenski: go roos!
pete_dushenski: decimation:re: federal employees overpaid < I suspect the whole system operates as a net with a hole - all the talent get sucked in and immediately leaves, but the bottom suckers end up 'caught' << their getting caught is like a lottery winner getting caught
mike_c: he's done some cool stuff in the past. most famous (at least to me) for some ssl mitm stuff he built.
pete_dushenski: fortunate beasts are they who don't starve as nature intended
cazalla: unless i'm confusing him with someone else, i remember the name from an aussie forum 15 years back where one could learn to use a mcdonald's straw to get free phone calls from payphones.. amongst other things lol
pete_dushenski: mats:give it another four years and all the useful combat vets will have exited the service out of sheer disgust << to go work at sbux for schultzy ?
mats: the ones that aren't broke from carrying 70+ combat loads, sure.
pete_dushenski: shultz is on record as saying that he plans to hire 10k veterans in the next couple of years
mats: rest, civil service, fire & police depts, ...
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17398 @ 0.0004214 = 7.3315 BTC [+] {2}
mats: 70+ lbs*
pete_dushenski: i suppose there are less useful uses for us military training than caramel frappuccinos
pete_dushenski: mats and academi!
mats: pff. 'triple canopy'.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37525 @ 0.0004243 = 15.9219 BTC [+] {2}
mats: working for a PMC is a sweet hustle. get into a NG SF group, take work leave, teach iraqis trig so they can do some basic artillery targeting.
pete_dushenski: sounds like a regular holiday.
mats: it'd be a holiday for me.
assbot: DC recreational marijuana use set to become legal | Al Jazeera America ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7BSKe )
pete_dushenski: that's going to make for one psychadelic cardano
pete_dushenski: i can already see the beads and henna ink on the case design
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45202 @ 0.00041741 = 18.8678 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4648 @ 0.00041069 = 1.9089 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: You are blocked from following @moxie and viewing @moxie's Tweets. Learn more << LOL
pete_dushenski: block all the mean peoples!
pete_dushenski: i had a bunch of people who'd blocked me last i checked
danielpbarron: b-a is like the one place i'm allowed on the internet
pete_dushenski: gavin, derpopoolous, marc andresen, etc
danielpbarron: yeah aantonop blocked me too :D
pete_dushenski: to quote myself: "IRC, it being the first, biggest, bestest bastion of free-thinking men and all that"
danielpbarron: Achievement unlocked: get blocked by 5 sc4mz0rz.
pete_dushenski: it should definitely count towards lordship consideration
assbot: Five Best File Encryption Tools ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7DZOb )
cazalla: yeah irc is the best, not sure why i left it so many years ago in favour of icq, msn messenger, steam chat treadmill
cazalla: only difference.. i swear there were more girls in #teenchat back in the 90s or at least more boys pretending to be girls
pete_dushenski: figured i'd send the lifehacker dood an invite: https://twitter.com/pete_dushenski/status/570711085440897024
assbot: Hey /halophoenix, tip of the cap for mentioning GPG in your list of 'best file encryption tools'. Consider this an invite to bitcoin-assets.
pete_dushenski: cazalla being geeky isn't cool for girls anymore unless it involves a phablet
pete_dushenski: and quite despite the 'women in tech' lowering of barriers to entry
lobbes: 'faux-nerdism' is the rage nowadays
pete_dushenski: mya, big glasses, short skirts, the look, not the content
pete_dushenski: content is... hard
danielpbarron: the look isn't easy either -- need to use filters and camera angles that hide obesity and skin conditions
pete_dushenski: that's not easy ? there's like 1000 buzzfeed articles describing exactly how to do exactly that
pete_dushenski thinks this is how buzzfeed works, has only been to gawk at post-superbowl sharknanigans
pete_dushenski: cazalla re: kiddy porn: "Fortunately, the <del>hard hitting journalism</del> published by The Daily Mail" << doesn't parse with this part nixed
jurov: prolly with the "hard" left in
cazalla: yeah, couldn't think of another way to make it work so i left it as is, reader can replace it with whatever they so choose i guess
cazalla: half that report is just talking about bitcoin and drugs, not even cp
pete_dushenski: just un-nix journalism mebbe ?
assbot: Europol Uses Kiddy Porn Hysteria To Attack Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1A7HELD )
cazalla: my own personal rule of thumb - those who task themselves to combat cp are more likely to be producers/consumers
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 37400 @ 0.00041804 = 15.6347 BTC [+]
jurov: kako hasn't flushed the bash since feb 9
jurov: so i did.. ended up adding three pages... hes gonna kill me
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4900 @ 0.00041472 = 2.0321 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu: usual 30 bux a month << for 1 gbps ?! fuck me if that's even close to accurate.
pete_dushenski: $120/mo here gets... 120 gbps
pete_dushenski: $60 currently gets me 15 mbps
pete_dushenski: fast enough for my needs, but they're not exactly giving it away
pete_dushenski: ascii_field:don't forget streaming audio from microphones chump voluntarily keeps in the house, car, etc << when it's already in your pocket...
mike_c: sold, i'll take 120 gbps for $120.
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pete_dushenski: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: gbps !?!?!
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: you're off by 1000 factor
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: according to vendor link
mike_c: insanity. qntra bids are over 0.0003? going to be the priciest share on mpex soon.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field lol so i was. *120 mbps
pete_dushenski: mr. henry (lifehacker author) is apparently flattered at the b-a invite: https://twitter.com/halophoenix/status/570723112498679808
assbot: Hey /halophoenix, tip of the cap for mentioning GPG in your list of 'best file encryption tools'. Consider this an invite to bitcoin-assets.
pete_dushenski: now, we wait and see if he turns that into action.
ascii_field: price 120gb/s sometime.
pete_dushenski: where could such a thing even exist ?
pete_dushenski: in theory-land ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: in data centre
pete_dushenski: mike_c i'll sell you my qntra shares for 1 btc each. best price.
pete_dushenski: ascii_field ok, so cost would be... ?
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: depends very much on locale
pete_dushenski: "Morgan Stanley to Pay $2.6 Billion to Settle Mortgage Cases" << more usg tax collection
pete_dushenski: "thank you for carrying out our policy, here's the bill"
pete_dushenski: ascii_field just so i can have a ballpark feel for the numbers, let's say dc
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: mid-five-digits (usd) per mo., most likely
ascii_field: pete_dushenski: but keep in mind that data centre doesn't sell pipe alone
pete_dushenski: "Pakistan has ordered cellphone users to verify their identities through fingerprints for a national database being compiled to curb terrorism." << maybe pakis should read old nyt ? http://www.truthinjustice.org/fingerprint-myth.htm
assbot: The Myth of Fingerprints ... ( http://bit.ly/1zJ8GKq )
pete_dushenski: ascii_field duly observed
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Be aware that Henry is with a Gawker Media venture
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5779 @ 0.00041069 = 2.3734 BTC [-]
pete_dushenski: this, i know
pete_dushenski: hey, maybe we can recruit him for qntra after he does his 6 months
pete_dushenski: start chipping away at the establishment and all that
punkman: mircea_popescu: as a side note : secure comunication via gpg works as follows : << alt.anonymous.messages can also be useful
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15741 @ 0.00042433 = 6.6794 BTC [+]
assbot: ​Lenovo website DNS record hijacked | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1ALV4Rg )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 19527 @ 0.00041069 = 8.0195 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5323 @ 0.00040978 = 2.1813 BTC [-]
assbot: Exclusive: China drops leading technology brands for state purchases| Reuters ... ( http://bit.ly/17zMg6M )
ben_vulpes: https://bugs.archlinux.org/task/32423?project=1 << emacs over x11. am i the only one who does this?
assbot: FS#32423 : [emacs] emacsclient consistently crashes emacs ... ( http://bit.ly/1Be6TBu )
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: over x11 vs what ?
ben_vulpes: in a terminal.
asciilifeform: i've only ever used emacs in x11
asciilifeform: ditto most folks i know
ben_vulpes: i've finally grown up a bit then i guess.
asciilifeform: is ben_vulpes using some perverse system ?
ben_vulpes: oh come now, don't be coy.
asciilifeform: netbsd on dead goat ?
asciilifeform: ah let me guess
ben_vulpes is baffled as to why guessing would be necessary
asciilifeform: iirc the canonical emacs on apple is 'aquamacs'
asciilifeform: mostly trad emacs but with gui hooks for the os
ben_vulpes: right.
ben_vulpes: the progression was
ben_vulpes: aquamacs -> railwaycat emacs port -> erc in a terminal on a remote host -> frustrations with tiling window managers in os x -> discovery of xmonad, ratpoison and friends -> x11 configuration -> stumpwm -> emacs on os x in x11 -> horrific bastard mode of "znc" on local machine with "znc" running on remote host -> emacs on remote host as bouncer displaying on a local x11 frame
ben_vulpes: followed by emacsclient crashing emacs --daemon every time the x11 frame disappeared
ben_vulpes: all for want of a workstation, i suppose.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: VIM 4 LYFE
thestringpuller graffiti's his nice EMACS setup
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i presume the second item on this list was a build of traditional emacs for apple ?
asciilifeform: why switched from that to the remote thing ?
asciilifeform: (if this was in the log - link to log)
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: novice's bouncer.
ben_vulpes: i like manipulating text in emacs, but wanted a persistent connection to b-a.
ben_vulpes: the most obvious route to me at the time was to run emacs in a terminal on a remote host.
asciilifeform opened today's mail, is leafing through 'ada 95 rationale' and it's a joy
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: i enjoy colours, good fonts, etc. and so will not use emacs in a term if there's any choice about it
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: why not use a screen multiplexer? like tmux or screen?
cazalla: thestringpuller, i like this one better :P http://i.imgur.com/aFYebE1.gif
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: what typeface do you use?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: laugh if you will, misc-fixed-medium-r-normal
ben_vulpes: i don't really know enough to laugh.
asciilifeform: emacs is unbeatable on account of the customizations - not only of appearance (i've a different highlighting mode for every type of animal, and most are not the stock included ones) but mechanics - how do folks get along on other editors without 'hungry arrow keys', for example ?
ben_vulpes: all i really know is how to ask about what others do and run my own experiments.
ben_vulpes: hungry arrow keys?
ben_vulpes: i've no idea what you mean...
asciilifeform: as in, never having to hit an arrow key more than once to traverse a block of whitespace
mike_c: press ctrl?
trinque M-x package-install
asciilifeform: mike_c: not same
asciilifeform: mike_c: and not cross-mode
trinque: ben_vulpes: https://github.com/neersighted/nbnc << I might try this out
assbot: neersighted/nbnc · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1BebNyF )
trinque: it claims to be what I want
trinque: hm, no buffering
trinque: nvm
ben_vulpes: give up
ben_vulpes: put emacs on a remote host
ben_vulpes: x11 tunnel
ben_vulpes: be stupid like me
trinque: right now I'm just weechatting in a tmux+mosh
trinque: unix philosophy is dead
trinque: where is the simple bouncer
assbot: nicferrier/shoes-off · GitHub ... ( http://bit.ly/1Becqbe )
trinque: would hilariously not remove remote emacs from your current setup
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: re: hungry arrow keys << VIM i rarely use arrow keys...
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: re tmux etc like alf, i pretty much refuse to work in a terminal
ben_vulpes: it's good for the things for which it is good
ben_vulpes: but for other things, it is not.
ben_vulpes: htop - good
ben_vulpes: emacs - not.
thestringpuller: trinque: weechat interesting. i use irssi.
ben_vulpes: for instance, i hate weechat and irssi.
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: i used to belive this but I don't like using mice. I find the use of a mouse kills my wrist.
ben_vulpes: cutting and pasting etc must fit within emacs text manipulation paradigms.
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: who said anything about mice?
thestringpuller: this is also why I hate IDE's that have "buttons"
ben_vulpes: i never take my hands off the keyboard.
ben_vulpes: do you take me for a menu-traverser?
thestringpuller: what is your stack?
thestringpuller: ^- ben_vulpes
trinque: thestringpuller: weechat's kind of butt, just less butt than other things I've used
thestringpuller: trinque: ah. the only client i've used is mirc, and as I just told ben_vulpes i hate mice.
trinque: what mouse?
ben_vulpes: thestringpuller: stack?
trinque: shit I even vimperator
thestringpuller: thestringpuller: like what OS, browser, text editor do you use on your local that you don't have to use a mouse to navigate?
ben_vulpes: fine, you got me. not "never", but only under duress.
ben_vulpes: and progressively less as i sharpen my sword/till my garden.
thestringpuller: i'm trying to figure out your workflow I guess.
thestringpuller: i've onyl been able to really accomplish that in terminal
ben_vulpes: emacs in x11
trinque: he's dialing in keywords on xkeyscore so he can find you
thestringpuller: oh so emacs does all the lifting as you said earlier
ben_vulpes: that is the point of using emacs.
ben_vulpes: text editor, debugger, grep wrapper, vcs wrapper, irc client...
ben_vulpes: tags browser...
ben_vulpes: granted, nothing that vim doesn't do (poorly)
thestringpuller: i really prefer a shell...
thestringpuller: alright them is fighting words
ben_vulpes: i started with vim - i know somewhat whereof i speak.
thestringpuller: i don't use VIM outside text editing so I don't know the capacicty to which it is customizable
thestringpuller: i also don't use emacs but when trying to learn, it really really really made me want toss my computer out a window
trinque: thestringpuller: evil mode
trinque: you'll be right at home
thestringpuller: maybe, but also I don't know LISP ;)
thestringpuller: it's on my bucket list
trinque: sure you do; just don't realize it yet
thestringpuller: along with starting a crime family with asciilifeform
trinque: I bet you know python or something
thestringpuller: yea I know python. and also slowly ruby
thestringpuller: but the lispi-ness of it evades me for sure
thestringpuller: i use procedural paradigm when using Python and Ruby tho...
thestringpuller: altho ruby seems to punish you for it
trinque: yeah, but your other languages have expressions
trinque: just imagine everything's one of those, and there are no implicit orders of operation except up
thestringpuller: trinque: lets have a LISP tutorial when I'm tripping instead of drunk ;)
trinque: heh
trinque: ask someone more experienced
trinque: hacking my emacs and stumpwm configs have helped a great deal
asciilifeform: jurov!!!
asciilifeform: fucktarded turdatron ate another message of mine
asciilifeform: 80-column hard limit
asciilifeform: lemme guess, non-latin1 chars not allowed.
asciilifeform: and -no- i'm not interested in including it as a clickable attachment.
asciilifeform: because that's retarded.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform 's wrath bit flips on.
asciilifeform: jurov: your thing is very seriously unusable imho
asciilifeform: $ gpg --verify profound_retardation.txt
asciilifeform: gpg: Signature made Wed Feb 25 20:47:07 2015 EST using RSA key ID 01ABFFC7
asciilifeform: gpg: Good signature from "Stanislav Datskovskiy <stas@loper-os.org>"
asciilifeform: so that's not the issue
thestringpuller: !t m s.qntr
assbot: [MPEX:S.QNTR] 1D: 0 / 0 / 0 (0 shares, 0 BTC), 7D: 0.0003 / 0.0003 / 0.0003 (100 shares, 0.03 BTC), 30D: 0.000175 / 0.00025046 / 0.0003 (50536 shares, 12.66 BTC)
asciilifeform: ^ i mean srsly, wtf am i supposed to do with that. the unprintable garbage is key to the message
asciilifeform: it isn't unimportant in the least bit
thestringpuller: good evening mircea_popescu
asciilifeform: forgot to include the detail, in profound_retardation.txt, that the sandisk drive is a 60gb unit.
asciilifeform: (yes, the capacity read by both u-boot and bsd is garbage, though deterministic garbage)
asciilifeform: another data point - the 2.6.31.8 linux kernel originally shipped with 'pogo' had precisely the same behaviour
asciilifeform: (unlike arch)
asciilifeform: if i knew for a fact that the bug -only- triggers on 'sandisk' drives, it wouldn't be worth thinking about at all
asciilifeform: but i cannot guarantee this.
asciilifeform: !up decimation
decimation: ty asciilifeform
decimation: assbot's http interface appears to be down
decimation: I suspect mircea_popescu is working on it
asciilifeform: so -that's- where ddosbot went
asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: oddly assbot otps timeout
mircea_popescu: am i the on;y one ?
decimation: the otp url comes across, but the http interface is dead
mike_c: kakobrekla, are you/assbot getting dos'd?
decimation: possibly due to anti-ddos animatronics
asciilifeform: 'once is an accident, twice is enemy action'
decimation: I first noted it around 0045 utc
decimation: err 0145
mircea_popescu: well i lost a main router somehow too. supposedly was a power outage downtown
mircea_popescu: decimation im not working on assbot, kako is
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform earlier when i went down
asciilifeform: and -lost- as in smoked?
decimation: mircea_popescu: ah okay
mircea_popescu: i dunno. ima have it looked into tomorro
asciilifeform: perhaps just a routine ocelot-in-cableway incident
decimation: or crocodile-in-toilet perhaps?
asciilifeform imagines one day roto-rooting toilet and pulling up pieces of suit, briefcase...
asciilifeform would prefer to live with alligators
asciilifeform: (ceteris paribus)
decimation: re: cosmonaut's gun: I thought it was for besting wild bears if the capsule lands in the urals
asciilifeform: decimation: nah that one comes with >1 round
asciilifeform: this is the other one
decimation: !up nubbins`
decimation: <nubbins`> probably unrelated but there's been a comms van w/ gov plates parked down the road from me for like a week
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 22:18:52; danielpbarron: Achievement unlocked: get blocked by 5 sc4mz0rz.
thestringpuller: decimation: hmmm. sword axe time draws near.
asciilifeform: except that gasenwagen doesn't have 'gasenwagen' painted on. it has, e.g., 'kaiser kaffee'
decimation: maybe we can be in the same 'meat van' as asciilifeform when we are being taking the the sharashka
decimation: nah it says 'meat'
asciilifeform: 'bread' more classically
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:06; decimation: "Buffeting its load of tightly packed bodies, the gaily painted orange and blue truck drove on through the streets, passed a railway station and stopped at a crossroads. There, halted by a traffic-light, stood the dark-red car belonging to the Moscow correspondent of the Paris newspaper LIBERATION, on his way to a hockey match at the Dynamo Stadium. On the side of the van the correspondent read the words
assbot: Logged on 19-07-2014 01:48:07; decimation: He remembered having seen several trucks like this today in various parts of Moscow. Taking out his notebook he wrote with his dark-red fountain pen: 'Now and again on the streets of Moscow you meet food delivery vans, clean, well-designed and hygienic. One must admit that the city's food supplies are admirably well organized.'"
decimation: does that say 'bread'?
assbot: Logged on 25-02-2015 23:13:49; mike_c: insanity. qntra bids are over 0.0003? going to be the priciest share on mpex soon.
mike_c: it's a bubble :)
thestringpuller: mike_c: hard to distinguish buyer frenzy from investors paying for content.
mike_c: i thought that a couple times, but then the bids kept going up.
thestringpuller: well no one is really selling
mike_c: right, but bids don't need to keep going up to incentivize writers
mircea_popescu: i imagine it's just like bitcoin : not many shares, many people heard of it.
thestringpuller: so people buying MPEx seats just to subsidize qntra?
thestringpuller: doesn't make sense...
mike_c: plus it hasn't tried to make money yet (with one tiny exception), so it's still hopes and dreams phase.
thestringpuller: mike_c: i don't think it can make money yet. it's in egg phase. egg must hatch first.
thestringpuller: right now qntra is competing for intelligent eyeballs
mike_c: yeah, i agree it shouldn't be trying to monetize yet. but that helps fuel investor optimism.
thestringpuller: well given trilema is well monetized I wouldn't worry too much about qntra implementing a revenue stream in the future
mike_c: trilema's monetization level doesn't support the current qntra share price to me.
mircea_popescu: "Chief casualty is U.S. network equipment maker Cisco Systems Inc, which in 2012 counted 60 products on the Central Government Procurement Center's (CGPC) list, but by late 2014 had none, a Reuters analysis of official data shows."
mircea_popescu: cisco is so fucking dead...
decimation: lol what does it say asciilifeform
mircea_popescu: and red hat is fucking next.
asciilifeform: decimation: 'i'd press a bit'
mike_c: holee shit. 60->0 is two years?
thestringpuller: mike_c: qntra may very well outgrow trilema
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: trilema is 8 years old?
mircea_popescu: mike_c cisco pretty much imploded once it became clear they're working for the usg against their customers.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: cisco dead << still crown-blessed, usg supply alone could feed it sov. factory style till the bitter end
mircea_popescu: absolute texbook case on the dangers of "obeying the laws".
mike_c: asciilifeform: problem is, that's not a growth story.
assbot: Transcript: NSA Director Mike Rogers vs. Yahoo! on Encryption Back Doors | Just Security
mircea_popescu: i'm happier with trilema's monetization than with cisco's soviet future.
decimation: "AS: No, I think Bruce Schneier and Ed Felton and all of the best public cryptographers in the world would agree that you can’t really build backdoors in crypto. That it’s like drilling a hole in the windshield.
decimation: MR: I’ve got a lot of world-class cryptographers at the National Security Agency." < MR is 'mike rogers', new director of nsa
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: I've been to several stores and they put the Cisco routers on the bottom with sign "Spookware" and Asus routers on the top shelves with "No Spookware"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: lol, goodcop/badcop
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: as if 'nonspookware' is a thing in the store
asciilifeform: or any store.
thestringpuller: i kno! just funny how it is pop culture now.
decimation: "AS: So you do believe then, that we should build those for other countries [Russia, China] if they pass laws? MR: I think we can work our way through this."
mike_c: too bad mircea_popescu can't say what he thinks qntra share price is right.
asciilifeform: === 'planet is our banana plantation, shuddthefuckup'
mike_c: probably not right for owner to pontificate on that too much.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: how does one procure a non-spookware router tho?
asciilifeform: !up decimation
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: using your hands
thestringpuller: Care to elaborate? :P
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: see log for one example
mircea_popescu: mike_c how would i even know ?
thestringpuller: !s router spookware
assbot: 0 results for 'router spookware' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=router+spookware
decimation: that's a good point, usg cannot simultaneously recognize another sovereign country and also say 'give legit rulers all ur bits'
mike_c: you wouldn't know, you'd have an opinion
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: any keywords you can give me? ;)
asciilifeform: !s edgerouter
assbot: 10 results for 'edgerouter' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=edgerouter
thestringpuller: thank you for that asciilifeform
asciilifeform: ^ experiment with building a fairly decent home router
decimation: I use the edgerouter with built-in firmware, it definitely performs
decimation: one day soon I will try to re-write with bsd
mats: does anyone here actually expect qntra to pay for itself?
asciilifeform: if you have external ssh open (why?) into the thing, keep in mind that recent versions of freebsd had diddled rng
asciilifeform: (proven fact)
asciilifeform: see log
decimation: I don't see need for router to talk to outside world
decimation: (other than through nat)
mats: asciilifeform: iirc that was not a stable release
asciilifeform: in freebsd world plenty of folks don't use -STABLE
mats: and why is that
asciilifeform: !up mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: mike_c well, i think on the mid term qntra has better earning perspectives than whatsapp.
asciilifeform: 'Because we have got to be willing as a nation to have a dialogue. This simplistic characterization of one-side-is-good and one-side-is-bad is a terrible place for us to be as a nation. We have got to come to grips with some really hard, fundamental questions. I’m watching risk and threat do this, while trust has done that. No matter what your view on the issue is [... snipped crapolade]'
asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
assbot: 7 results for 'teaching the controversy' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=teaching+the+controversy
decimation: the thing is, you need to learn to do what I say
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:05; asciilifeform: once you've been 'taught the controversy' - that is, convincing that there -even is- reasonable debate among informed people, on a particular subject - the lie becomes a kind of half-truth, automagically
assbot: Logged on 12-09-2014 16:47:19; asciilifeform: because suddenly, there is (or you think there is) a debate. with 'sides.'
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:48:53; asciilifeform: what's more, this follows inescapably from any situation, anywhere, where someone gets to 'score nonzero points' merely for showing up.
assbot: Logged on 17-11-2014 04:49:54; asciilifeform: all you have to do, then, is to pile on the meat puppets, until suddenly there is a 'controversy', and there are 'points of view', and eventually - a 'consensus.'
decimation: 'one point of view is that usg should have all ur bits'
mircea_popescu: "we must pull together" is the age old statist refrain.
decimation: things are getting better comrades
mircea_popescu: sure, we'll pull together : come swear fealty to me. bring me your daughters, let me name the head of each usg agency
mircea_popescu: then we'll pull together just fine.
mircea_popescu: obv, not exactly what's being contemplated with the "pull together" talk
decimation: "MR: I think we can work our way through this."
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: who would you name head of CIA?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron
mircea_popescu: sure, why not.
asciilifeform: l0l 'fantasy usg'
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo ^
mircea_popescu: "pull together" usg.
danielpbarron: oh i thought you were asking if i was here; didn't realize i just got nominated to run the .. CIA!?
mircea_popescu: sure. have fun.
danielpbarron: i will not spare the whip.
mircea_popescu: britni's back.
asciilifeform: but who molested her
assbot: BitBet - Bitcoin to surpass Berkshire as an investment :: 1121.15 B (20%) on Yes, 4393.47 B (80%) on No | closed 1 week 4 days ago ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcnimO )
mircea_popescu: "i don't remember seeing before the parts i don't like seeing today"
asciilifeform missed the gigantic 'no' bets after september's series
thestringpuller: lol bitbet is loading real slow today
asciilifeform: !up decimation
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: l0l!!!
TheNewDeal: ;;bids 216.9
gribble: Bitstamp | There are currently 4213.9171 bitcoins demanded at or over 216.9 USD, worth 952292.397478 USD in total. | Data vintage: 0.0219 seconds
trinque: mircea_popescu: nice jurassic park poster
cazalla: trinque, lulz i just thought that
cazalla: "oh, jurassic park"
cazalla: is the other one the little mermaid?
assbot: Psychology Journal Bans Significance Testing « Science-Based Medicine ... ( http://bit.ly/1DcpHO9 )
decimation: 'nobody understands what p-values mean so let's ban them'
asciilifeform: lulzies
asciilifeform: who the fuck even cares what these clowns do now.
asciilifeform: let them stand on head, crap in own mouth
decimation: surprisingly when left to their own devices they choose... more clownishness
decimation: related: http://www.slate.com/articles/life/education/2015/02/university_hiring_if_you_didn_t_get_your_ph_d_at_an_elite_university_good.html?wpsrc=fol_fb < The data revealed that just a quarter of all universities account for 71 to 86 percent of all tenure-track faculty in the U.S. and Canada in these three fields. Just 18 elite universities produce half of all computer science professors, 16 schools produce half of all business
assbot: University hiring: If you didn't get your Ph.D. at an elite university, good luck finding an academic job. ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXSDPi )
decimation: professors, and eight schools account for half of all history professors.
decimation: http://tgeonetta.com/cost-of-living-vs-salary-best-cities-for-software-developers-and-engineers/ < heh. apparently programmers in the new york 'profit' about $16k per year
assbot: Cost of Living vs Salary – Best Cities for Software Developers and Engineers | Tyler Geonetta ... ( http://bit.ly/1DXTMqh )
decimation: with that, good night
asciilifeform: probably skewed by handful of 'quants'
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: i just learned the gasenwagen was invented by the russians
asciilifeform: according to one version, there was a ru wagen in the '30s
thestringpuller: The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.
asciilifeform: iirc ^ was a bit of a 'ufo', based on hearsay
thestringpuller: The gas van was invented in the Soviet Union in 1936, by Isay Berg, the head of the administrative and economic department of the NKVD of Moscow Oblast which suffocated batches of prisoners with engine fumes in a camouflaged bread van while on the drive out to the mass graves at Butovo, where the prisoners were subsequently buried.
thestringpuller: "A converted 24-seat bus, the execution van keeps the appearance of a normal police van on the outside with no markings indicating its purpose. The rear of the vehicle houses a windowless chamber where the execution takes place. Several cameras are present and feed closed-circuit televisions in the front of the van; a recording can be made if desired. The bed itself slides out of the wall under its own power, on which the convi
asciilifeform: ^ chinese injection bus
danielpbarron didn't realize the wagon itself did the gassing
asciilifeform: danielpbarron: in the german variant
danielpbarron: i thought it was like the trains that took people to the camps
thestringpuller wonders when US will have their version.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26300 @ 0.00041298 = 10.8614 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Logged on 26-02-2015 02:54:26; asciilifeform: !s teaching the controversy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21346 @ 0.00042119 = 8.9907 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: i have no idea what is going on in that gif
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 83950 @ 0.00041015 = 34.4321 BTC [-]
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