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assbot: My Aerospace Years ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxUJEN )
asciilifeform: ^ re: 'golden age' usg
BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash
asciilifeform: 'Part of the mathematics of the Kollsman was a search program built into the VERDAN to help the Kollsman find a star, lock on to it, then find a second star and third, to use for triangulation. If I remember correctly, we tracked stars like Canopus, Sirius, and Procyon. I don’t remember for sure. But I do remember that there had to be a most efficient way to find a star. If you knew the time of the day (the G&N could give yo
asciilifeform: u that since it knew Latitude and Longitude), you could find the sun. From the sun, and predetermined celestial positions, you could find the appropriate star in the region. Once you found that star, it was easy find the next one and go back and forth between the two, determining position. Here’s the deal. How do you search for a star, though. The least inefficient way is to use a square pattern. Obviously a diagonal is a cl
asciilifeform: oser distance between two points than a rectangular or square pattern. That still doesn’t help you find a star efficiently once you find the sun and slew to the star. So it was determined that the best, quickest and most efficient search was a “prolate hypercycloid.” I think you’d call it a clover pattern. Actually it is very special search, and with that shape has the highest percentage of quick find of a star of any
asciilifeform: search pattern.'
asciilifeform: ^ -analogue- star tracker.
danielpbarron: !up shesek
asciilifeform: http://www.ebay.com/itm/191476427032 << l0l. must be common if so cheap on junk market
assbot: B 52D Star Tracker Kollsman Automatic Astro Compass Type MD 1 Astro Tracker | eBay ... ( http://bit.ly/1LxV4aD )
asciilifeform: 'We still have a saying, though, when we saw the Soviets building a copy of the Air Craft Carrier Enterprise, right down to the nuts and bolts…if you lose a document, just go to the Soviets. They have copies of all of it. Our security meant absolutely NOTHING.'
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asciilifeform: danielpbarron: gold
assbot: Russia Downs US Missile After Norway, Obama Secrets Release | EUTimes.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5siqB )
BingoBoingo: !up tripleslash
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: US seems to have surrendered radio quiet
mircea_popescu: decimation: mats: unfortunately being asian puts you at the bottom of every welfare list << yeh azns took ur jerbz.
BingoBoingo: danielpbarron: Bautiful mega lol
danielpbarron: feel free to cite in qntra or w/e
mircea_popescu: mats: the subconscious domination of a white woman that is << wait, you her or her you ? dat ambiguity
mircea_popescu: mats: benghazi parts two through twenty will soon be upon us << myeah.
mircea_popescu: the dodo bird makes great quarry.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: this has made me wonder how much "book value" of these big shops is similarly inflated. << from the recovery practice, one would not usually expect more than about 1% of book value to be recoverable through asset sales.
asciilifeform: 'The only exception is a plan for more extensive practicing of security response tactics at launch silos, a move that requires signed agreements with owners of the private land on which the missile silos are situated.'
asciilifeform: ^ wat!?!
asciilifeform ianal but thought 'easements' were sop, even for usg
assbot: Air Force security failed nuke test | New York Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1w5uHSd )
mircea_popescu: So bad have things become in the United States that one of their top right-wing commentators named Glenn Beck warned his listeners this week that the Obama regime was turning America into a Nazi-like Third Reich and leading the US into a “society of gas chambers”.
asciilifeform: 'crank bait'
mircea_popescu: "Beck’s astounding comments about the Obama regime appear to have merit as London’s Daily Mail is reporting today"
mircea_popescu: pretty good indication of the principle that propaganda works both ways.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: mircea_popescu ^ where this was even for ? isp ? << well, turns out the datacenter (phoenix nap) refused to forward the counter-notification.
mircea_popescu: they claimed that it's not properly drawn up. meanwhile i discovered that the dc in question (worth ~1.7mn) is actually owned by the same holding company that owns ccbill, which is a "high risk" cc payment processor, which has a business relationship with fetlife.
mircea_popescu: so... we're in settlement talks. which, should they break down, we'll be in court.
asciilifeform: l0l, sp4mc4rdz
mircea_popescu: class action, the works.
mircea_popescu: anyway, a slim chance i end up with my own dc.
asciilifeform: 1.7m << peculiarly small dc
asciilifeform: some schmuck's cellar ?
mircea_popescu: net assets.
mircea_popescu: funny how pulling on a thread firmly unravels whole stacks of shit.
mircea_popescu: "i didn't know they stacked shit that high"
asciilifeform: (where i live, a traditional 19 inch by 40 'u' rack starts at a few $k / mo.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: also does dmca really have the provision for 'complainant must sue before date x'? (ianal!) << yes. this is what dmca is substantially : dc gets a claim. if customer responds with counterclaim, they forward it to claimant, who has 10 days to show proof they sued.
assbot: U.S. Copyright Office - Copyright Law: Chapter 5 ... ( http://bit.ly/1Eq8Mw4 )
asciilifeform always cared about the details of dmca in much the same way as he cares about the precise voltage of the electric chair he will sizzle in: not particularly
asciilifeform: but here - interesting
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Still Maybe 3 mosins max in "collapse" an I have "longline" tower.
mircea_popescu: well, none of these things matter to the layman until they observe another monkey fashion a club out of it and blooding some faces
mircea_popescu: then it's fascianting.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what kind of blood do you think to get from the stone ?
BingoBoingo: "Murican" society is sinking. Batman's valet tonight was shot by his war buddie.
mircea_popescu: turtles are not made out of stone.
mircea_popescu: they appear so, to men without good clubs.
BingoBoingo: Tortise shel makes the best ornamentation. Also gets sharp once club is used
mircea_popescu: but the general rule of fist is, "nothing manmade can resist arbitrary pounding"
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (where i live, a traditional 19 inch by 40 'u' rack starts at a few $k / mo.) << I'm contemplating $200/month for offering welded shut case
BingoBoingo is drunk
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: iirc, colo facility doesn't care if you weld you case
asciilifeform: (so long as it isn't messily done on the premises, i suppose)
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: They don't. Still stl isn't asking 4 digits
BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> (so long as it isn't messily done on the premises, i suppose) << If was taking torch to pren]mises would have lance of great concrete cutting
asciilifeform: at any rate, only the lucky fellas like mircea_popescu earn the honour of having a mook sent to physically wriggle inside chassis
mircea_popescu: it's not entirely certain that ever actually happened.
asciilifeform: aha see
asciilifeform: still have to work to earn this.
BingoBoingo: Might be possible in USia asciilifeform but geographical arbitrage is a thing
mircea_popescu: lol @ that log. "widespread adoption", such a red herring.
mircea_popescu: nuclear warheads also failed to reach widespread adoption, such a failweapon.
asciilifeform: welding a server is one of those things that 'feels good' out of all proportion to actual military utility
mircea_popescu: what exactly is it supposed to do ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when done (rarely!) by sane folks, is generally 'part of a balanced diet' involving various vibration/temp/radiation/etc. sensors and rapid key zeroization
mircea_popescu: so your welding really consists of owning the dc.
asciilifeform: to steal from ed felton, 'you can't build a safe that is to be kept in the robber's living room' - except that some folks must anyway, so they craft safes that will set fire to the money at slightest provocation
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> so your welding really consists of owning the dc. << Ideallu solder and powersupply is chozen such that yes
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asciilifeform: 'what good is a phonecall... if you've no mouth'
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me <, hard to scare people with Par
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BingoBoingo: <asciilifeform> to steal from ed felton, 'you can't build a safe that is to be kept in the robber's living room' - except that some folks must anyway, so they craft safes that will set fire to the money at slightest provocation << Shoot for Tepco can not cut without fine
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: at any rate, if you must, use a standard hand-held spot welder
asciilifeform: the kind with the clamps
BingoBoingo blind, hates reflexively
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the kind with the clamps << /me usually solders by plumbing rules. More checks less death by inferno
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: spot weld, not solder
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Who seriously welds a toilet down pipe
asciilifeform: toilet - no
asciilifeform: server - yes
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: must understand world here is surplus stupid
assbot: The Hindenburg Principle: See Spot Weld ... ( http://bit.ly/17QQ1EI )
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: So most teflon I ever saw in my life... was pulling shifts at Mcdonalds...
asciilifeform: where was the teflon ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Top side of the clamshell grill
BingoBoingo: Every aspect of "beef" patties was rabot handled
asciilifeform the most teflon ever saw is a 1x10 inch rod in his machine room
asciilifeform: yes, you can buy it in machinable rods like anything else..
mircea_popescu: i had teflon wire at some point
cazalla: <mircea_popescu> http://36.media.tumblr.com/c888c587c60a5917e2e58830cca6580f/tumblr_mvfuq8PRBY1sqwu1no2_500.jpg << have a nightmare. on me. <<< sorta reminds me of creepychan
asciilifeform: phun phact: it bleeds a little HF when machined.
BingoBoingo: Mcdonalds used teflon in sheets to substitute heat for hygeine at any opportunity
BingoBoingo: But sheets of teflon on clamshell grill, genius
cazalla: do they do the mccafe thing in america?
BingoBoingo: They try
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the rod is milk-white and very smooth, slippery.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Actually that... Not a thing
mircea_popescu: !up agentbob
BingoBoingo sleep nao
BingoBoingo: Nt aware enough to do right
cazalla: wish i had the sense to do that the other night lol
cazalla: i'm taking a sabbatical from drinking in any case
cazalla: (yeah, heard that before)
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[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin to drop under $150 before April" http://bitbet.us/bet/1123/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 31(Y):69(N) by weight. Total bet: 7.20805692 BTC. Current weight: 98,099.
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assbot: Pakistanis face a deadline: Surrender fingerprints or give up cellphone - The Washington Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGEvh6 )
assbot: Decentralized Malware on the Blockchain | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1JGKpif )
plonky: soon pedopornography cyphered in the blockchain
cazalla: i'm sure i've read someone already put kiddy porn in it
cazalla: BingoBoingo, you'll love this.. from that getgems app you always talk about :P "So far our app was installed by 2,284 users and an average rating of 4.5 in the play store."
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assbot: Proving that Android’s, Java’s and Python’s sorting algorithm is broken (and showing how to fix it) | Envisage: Engineering Virtualized Services ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7hg6I )
jurov: ^ when anyone wants to complicate an algorithm for performance, hit them with this
Adlai: "sorting algorithm" sounds a bit like "intelligence test"
jurov: heh... i remembered feeble attempts by uni prof "but really, don't call it sorting but ordering"
jurov: nah. sort'em all!!!
danielpbarron: height=223223 vs height=191349
jurov: now i am interested at the exact tradeoff factor "X% faster" vs. "crashes in 1 of Y cases" under which our civilization operates
jurov: as in, aliens land, gather this number and "nah, too big risk, let's move on"
PeterL: !up NomosOne
PeterL: hi y'all, how's #B-A today?
PeterL: !up hollywoodundead
hollywoodundead: thank you
PeterL: yw,np
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mats: butts
PeterL: butts?
mats: butts.
hollywoodundead: for sure
PeterL: !up Xuthus
PeterL: !up arvicco
assbot: Deutsche Bundesbank - Startseite - Monthly Report - January 2015 ... ( http://bit.ly/1zcJLOc )
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD last: 238.39, vol: 5765.82511119 | BTC-E BTCUSD last: 231.743, vol: 7836.58021 | Bitfinex BTCUSD last: 238.78, vol: 23878.03444169 | BTCChina BTCUSD last: 236.782052, vol: 131311.13140000 | Kraken BTCUSD last: 237.94427, vol: 3.49384746 | Bitcoin-Central BTCUSD last: 241.83145, vol: 42.26997966 | Volume-weighted last average: 236.886926799
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I'm telling you that is the appcoin scam that will undoo coinfire
BingoBoingo: Block 330204, 100 days left to sync
PeterL: when downloading the blockchain, does the program ask for each block individually, or does it just ask for a starting block and the other node feeds it everything from that point forward?
BingoBoingo: ^ good question
PeterL: or, where in the code might I learn how downloading the blockchain logic works?
BingoBoingo: Where in the code is prolly going to depends on the version, but sync.cpp might be a place to start
BingoBoingo: If your version has that
assbot: Satoshi 0.5.3.1/src/main.cpp ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7EGcr )
jurov: and blocks are received on line 2190
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assbot: Joe Biden's Definitely Making These Anime School Girls Uncomfortable - Dorkly Post ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7Ho1i )
jurov: virile males are completely undesirable in usg
BingoBoingo: Seriously
ben_vulpes: <plonky> [] the most wtf of today http://presschain.com/decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain/ << don't use bitcoin it's dangewous!
assbot: Decentralized Malware on the Blockchain | Presschain ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7IfiN )
assbot: Google bans 'explicit' adult content from Blogger blogs | ZDNet ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7IsSS )
jurov: tl;dr: interpol got informed that buttcore 0.10 is out
assbot: Chief justice could again swing Obamacare case in government's favor - Yahoo News ... ( http://bit.ly/1BlPUz2 )
jurov: when they're jumping, something gotta swing
assbot: A Novel Approach for Computer Worm Control Using Decentralized Data Structures ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7JGxI )
assbot: Officials say 19 manatees trapped in a Florida drainage system have been rescued, and others escaped on their own. http://t.co/EQAkrPOFql
assbot: Are Federal Workers Overpaid? - ClearanceJobs ... ( http://bit.ly/1D7KaDK )
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell cazalla See the traffic spike yesterday was the exact middle of my predicted range https://www.quantcast.com/qntra.net
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )
gribble: The operation succeeded.
jurov: any pro poker player around? we need someone who can do quick background check for us
jurov: i'm going afk, pm me
nubbins`: danielpbarron
nubbins`: you follow instructions somewhere for your pogo build?
thestringpuller: nubbins`: its on danielpbarron.com
nubbins`: o! tyvm
asciilifeform: decentralized-malware-on-the-blockchain << lol, yeah, turdware loader wants to wait 3 wks and sift through 40GB to fire 2nd stage payload, sure.
asciilifeform: got a bridge to sell ya.
asciilifeform: incidentally, i suggested this not long after first coming to #b-a.
asciilifeform: -somebody-'s been reading the logs.
thestringpuller: getting a bitcoin client to deploy a payload kept on the blockchain would be a frightening event...
asciilifeform: no mention of diddled clients in the linked piece
asciilifeform: just the fact of keeping turdware (or c&c data) in the blockchain
nubbins`: hopefully they won't find the diddles in our 0.5.3.1
nubbins`: i mean uh
nubbins`: !b 9
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nubbins` dusts hands, wanders away
thestringpuller: nubbins` is like guy who will joke about dufflebags of cocaine in trunk of car while crossing border
nubbins`: haha
nubbins`: if that doesn't encourage log readers to actually read and absorb the fuckin patches
nubbins` shrugs
nubbins`: but seriously though, i don't think we should have merged the foundation tax thing into the code
nubbins`: !b 6
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asciilifeform: wai wat
nubbins` cackles
jurov: lol "absorb patches"
nubbins`: y'know, like nicotine
nubbins`: or EMLA!
nubbins`: danielpbarron this stuff is great
nubbins`: such notes
assbot: POGOPLUG MOBILE CLOUD DEVICE POGO-V4-A1-01 ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3yKPr )
nubbins`: ^ it's actually cheaper for me to buy it from a henry's store, locally, than online
assbot: Wi-fi "spy" Barbie records children's conversations - and could be a target for hackers, say experts - Mirror Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3zFPJ )
assbot: Qntra.net Traffic and Demographic Statistics by Quantcast ... ( http://bit.ly/1yTZAP9 )
mircea_popescu: nice going BingoBoingo cazalla lol
BingoBoingo guess bump was going to be between 2k and 30k, hit the exact middle
asciilifeform: ^ reposted
mike_c: logs are failing me. what was the big hit on qntra?
mircea_popescu: mike_c the name&shame of vcs that did superfish was on slashdot etc
mike_c: ah
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nice.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron btw, there should be NO references. all text referenced by url should be quoted in the instructions, and link to original.
asciilifeform: statically linked!
nubbins`: beauty!
nubbins`: not coincidentally, footnotes would be an adequate substitute ;p
mircea_popescu: qntra is like, headed for trilema traffic levels.
mircea_popescu: i guess it'll soon surpass it.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` :p
nubbins`: mischievous tuesday
mircea_popescu: so ridoinculous btw. there was a time, 10-15 years ago, when something like this would have taken a site down.
mircea_popescu: not anymore. the ddos back in sept was what, 100 to 1k x more visible in server logs.
mike_c: it was nice of that guy to do load testing for qntra.
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mircea_popescu: i guess so huh.
mircea_popescu: but people readily ignore this fact. normal traffic ? x ; being linked by all the internet ? a*x. being ddosed ? b*x.
mircea_popescu: where a < 100 and b / a > 100.
mircea_popescu: which both shows the absolute loss of gatekeeper power on one hand and the massive decrapification of the software on the other.
thestringpuller: facebook wants to be the new gatekeeper
thestringpuller: but it's like watching retarded kid on playground wanting to be leader one day as he eats glue.
BingoBoingo: scoopbot -fetch
thestringpuller: bad scoopbot
thestringpuller: Good scoopbot :D
mircea_popescu: it's just... what it meant being on rotten, or maddox, or drudge coupla decades ago is completely unrelated to what it means being on slashdot, reddit, or w/e today.
mircea_popescu: sort-of like the difference between being a star in hollywood cca 1955 vs being "a star"/waitress in a la diner today.
mircea_popescu: or, for that matter, being times man of the year in 1966 vs being times man of the year in 2006.
nubbins`: there were less men back then
nubbins`: which isn't the point, but a fact nonetheless
mircea_popescu: well that may be. there were certainly less retards chasing the "Social media" dragon.
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: No, there were more men
nubbins`: i'm talking humans with penises
mircea_popescu: there were more women, is fo sho. lotta girlies today.
mircea_popescu: some of them 40+yo.
nubbins`: you pedants!
BingoBoingo: nubbins`: I'm discounting functional retards from that set
nubbins`: natch
mircea_popescu: new pick=up line. "i'm a pedant. wanna wear my pendant ?"
nubbins`: things were more novel back then, too
nubbins`: you think elvis would be the fuckin king if he was born in 1996?
mircea_popescu: he would still be fat
nubbins`: he'd be nobody
nubbins`: because there's no barrier to entering "the" "music" "biz"
nubbins`: all those quotes are intentionally separate
mircea_popescu: see ? it was all captn sanders. i keep sayin' it...
mircea_popescu googled it. turns out the man's name was Marvel Jr.
mircea_popescu: no, fuck wrong one. who the fuck was his owner ?
mircea_popescu: iirc elvis was proper collared and everything.
nubbins`: they all were
mircea_popescu: colonel Tom Parker. there we go.
nubbins`: well y'see boys we've got this here fancy recoahdin' studio
nubbins`: guy was taking half by the end, wasn't he?
nubbins`: born andreas cornelis
nubbins`: now there's an american name
mircea_popescu: elvis was dumb as rocks, if reports are to be trusted.
mircea_popescu: nah he was finish or danish or something.
nubbins`: no kidding. ever see the dude's movies?
nubbins`: dutch
mircea_popescu: yes, actually, saw a coupla.
nubbins`: oh. andreas cornelis /van kuijk/.
nubbins`: that's dutch, alright
nubbins`: i recall seeing one of the flicks at some god-awful "grand ole" type place in the southern usa
nubbins`: elvis smoking a cigarette while working under a car
nubbins`: then shimmying with the ladies on the beach!
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu> elvis was dumb as rocks, if reports are to be trusted. << And drugged all to hell. Owner screwed the pooch on that one.
mircea_popescu: he has all the sexual projection of a highschool retard.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i may be like, the first owner in human slavery history to actually discourage drug use by teh chattel.
nubbins`: "braaaaaaiiih!" -elvis
mircea_popescu: owner was just buying ibm in elvis' case.
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> he has all the sexual projection of a highschool retard. << "non-threatening" 1950's USia was retarded in this way
nubbins`: "hurmalurmalurm" -elvis
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo that IS true.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` Jailhouse Rock was ok as far as that goes.
mircea_popescu: he made a bunch of "good for blowjobs" movies.
mircea_popescu: russ meyer, like.
nubbins`: actually what i've been humming since that "braaaaaaaih" earlier
nubbins`: hm, accidentally opened windpipe while drinking
nubbins`: brb paper towels
mircea_popescu: he played the most fucktarded names too. deke. vince. etc
mircea_popescu: i think he was a chad once too
mircea_popescu: todd gack mysteriously missing.
nubbins`: the other day i watched a docu about a florida election worker who was lynched
nubbins`: "hanging chad", 3/5
pete_dushenski: scoopbot -fetch
mircea_popescu: by elvis ?
nubbins`: rimshot.mp3, just kidding
pete_dushenski: ;;later tell peterl who do i have to blow to get contravex and scoopbot talking to each other ?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: pete_dushenski yourself, paste imgur here
pete_dushenski: well why didn't you just say so ? ;)
nubbins`: what was it, mad men? "who'd you have to fuck to get this office?" "myself"
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Probably the best way to solve this problem is to look at how blogs that play nice with scoopbot do RSS and crib off of that
assbot: Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski » Contravex: A blog by Pete Dushenski ... ( http://bit.ly/1A3DeWm )
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski maybe your rss feed's too long ?
pete_dushenski: weird thing is: bablogs.btcscoop.com seems to have no problem with it
BingoBoingo: pete_dushenski: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing a field?
pete_dushenski: i just noticed that each article in the feed was set to show "full text"
pete_dushenski: now chaned to "summary"
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pete_dushenski: "Erik is a famous individual of the Bitcoin community online forum (screen title- evoorhees), as well as presently benefits Coinapult, derived in Panama." << lulziest spam comment i ever did see
pete_dushenski: posted on my paper wallet guide, which in no way mentions voorhees
mircea_popescu: prolly spun text
pete_dushenski: a must be that
mircea_popescu: (what the bots do these days is crib facebook for textual content, hack it together and use it as spam filler to fool bayesian filters. which are STILL a stupid fucking idea)
mircea_popescu: scoopbot -fetch
pete_dushenski: i seem to recall there being a trilema on spam filtering
mircea_popescu: a few yeh
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pete_dushenski: ^ the one i was thinking of
mircea_popescu: aha sounds like it
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker --market all
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mircea_popescu: that article of course was in 2013. meanwhile it's no longer 18`219 spam comments out of 96`421 total, it's 29`704 out of 112`367 total.
nubbins`: anyone happen to have familiarity with zero-tuition universities, specifically euro ones, specifically how they came to ditch tuition?
mircea_popescu: so they did go from under 20% to over 20% in the interval.
pete_dushenski: nubbins` probably donations from alumni
mircea_popescu: nubbins` generally you don't have to pay if you're very very good. at least the ones i'm familiar with.
mircea_popescu: same reason women don't have to pay to go to a club, especially if they go naked.
nubbins`: i mean like countries where post-secondary is free, for everyone
mircea_popescu: that doesn't exist irl.
mircea_popescu: used to be, but soviet russia & friends.
pete_dushenski: if it did, it'd just be grades 13-17
nubbins`: i feel like an educated populace isn't a terrible idea, as long as it's educated in things that aren't fucking out to lunch
nubbins`: i.e. your ph.d. in medieval folklore would definitely not be free
mircea_popescu: the way to do that is forbid louts from having sex.
nubbins`: available, perhaps, if there are enough of you to pull a couple classes together
mircea_popescu: nah, that i can see paying for. what i can't see ever paying for is "social studies", "womens studies" etc.
mircea_popescu: ie, "things with political importance".
nubbins`: so suppose we say "free university for anyone who wants to study STEM"
nubbins`: but it's not free
nubbins`: because if there wasn't a catch, it'd just be a boondoggle
mircea_popescu: stem should in principle never be free.
mircea_popescu: because the only reason it exists is that it's useful. if useful can't pay useful can go hang.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile, things that exist because thery're beautiful may get a pass.
pete_dushenski: free stem turns to religion
nubbins`: instead, it's the same cost it is *now*, except the government would pay the minimum monthlies on your student loans for as long as you remain in (the province, city, state, w/e)
mircea_popescu: think about it. who will remain ?
mircea_popescu: all the schmucks that can't leave.
mircea_popescu: why do you want them ?
mircea_popescu: this is exactly like suicide : the people who succeed we want. the people who fail should have succeeded.
punkman: nubbins`: i mean like countries where post-secondary is free, for everyone << Greece is one
nubbins`: why, indeed, would i want a bunch of fresh grads kicking around
nubbins`: punkman AAH FINE FORGET IT
mircea_popescu: punkman what, srsly ?
mircea_popescu: no grade requirement, no nothing ?
punkman: yep, 4 year degrees, masters, PHDs
punkman: no there are grades
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, do you qualify for free degree irrespective of any exam, grades, etc ?
mircea_popescu: you just need a pulse /
punkman: as in "uni entrance national exams" grades
punkman: yes just pulse
mircea_popescu: ah well.
punkman: and until now you could take 10 years to do 4 year degree
mircea_popescu: well which is it!
mircea_popescu: heh. greece, the least rich eu country, adheres to nubbins` ideals!
punkman: there are grade requirements for entry into uni, based on demand
nubbins`: speak not of my ideals!
mircea_popescu: naked woman just bent to pick up my garbage. i forget, what were we saying ?
punkman: if you get in, it's all free. might have to pay for some books these days
mircea_popescu: anyway. this is kind-of how it worked in all teh warsaw pact. except back then people actually had nothing better to do with their time, (LIKE IN A PRISON, ALF!) so they studied.
mircea_popescu: and read and like, bought classical records.
nubbins`: anyway outmigration is a big thing here
nubbins`: and the usual is to get a degree (cheapest in the country!) and then fuck off
mircea_popescu: yeah but this can't be fixed administratively.
nubbins`: no kidding
pete_dushenski: nubbins` outmigration out of maritimes or out of the country ?
nubbins`: like you said, if the $150/mo student loan payment is the thing keeping someone here...
mircea_popescu: if you want to fix it, what you do is, you pick a pimp, give him legal immunity for a decade, let him build cabaret street.
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nubbins`: pete_dushenski out of twodogland, specifically
mircea_popescu: bare cunts dancing!
pete_dushenski: nubbins` ya well administration after graduation is very much closing the barn doors after the horses have left
nubbins`: in other news, the whole "we have oil, let's spend money" thing has given way to "the price of oil is out of our hands, let's aww fuck it's too late"
pete_dushenski: admin before getting in (barriers to entry) can work
nubbins`: the school system is a pretty big barrier to entry
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski the only thing that can work is making the place be cool. merely "not suck" is not good enough.
mircea_popescu: have "toss the feminist" festivals, people (that aren't retards) may wanna come.
nubbins`: it is cool, but it just can't pay manual laborers $70k/year
mircea_popescu: otherwise... whatever, anonimity is hard.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` lol the other kinda cool.
nubbins`: it is the other kind ;(
mircea_popescu: no it's not lmao.
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mircea_popescu: im curious too, vicariously. if you figure it out say.
pete_dushenski: i'd argue that uni is currently very 'cool'
pete_dushenski: or at least fashionable
mircea_popescu: nubbins` how did you get the idea twodogs is cool as in, someone'd want to move there as a thing to do, rather than "whatever, they are giving out money here"
pete_dushenski: this seems to accomplish the objective of keeping an inflated population off the streets and little more
mircea_popescu: uni being cool don't enter into it. florida and arizona party schools are very cool, i would visit, i would not ever stay lmao
pete_dushenski: ok so 'the place' isn't uni ? what is it ?
mircea_popescu: back when new york was cool, it was principally broadstreet.
mircea_popescu: generally, it's the "bare cunts dancing" district that makes or breaks a city's cool.
nubbins`: mircea_popescu i'll blithely respond by gesturing to all the people in my life who came here by chance and never left again 8)
mircea_popescu: you just opened yourself for a pile of rocks thrown eh.
mircea_popescu: any cool people among them ?
pete_dushenski: so you'd want to visit nyc then
nubbins`: none as cool as, say, you
pete_dushenski: but like arizona state or w/e, not stay
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski incredibly enough, it's not how that works.
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mircea_popescu: somehow "cuntslime on every rock" makes a place want you to stay. which is exactly why las vegas exists.
pete_dushenski: so cities =! schools
pete_dushenski: but vegas is also god awful
pete_dushenski: pretty much on par with nyc
mircea_popescu: how awful it is has no bearing on how cool it is. new york sucked at all points.
mircea_popescu: so did london, so did rome. etc.
mircea_popescu: http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/ << heh. aren't you glad you followed trilema biases and never touched that shit.
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pete_dushenski: mircea_popescu seems like this is also how calgary is cool but largely sucks
mircea_popescu: i don't think it ever reached the level. i mean it's been trying, ever since the 80s winter games etc. but...
mircea_popescu: it's not easy, being cool.
pete_dushenski: it's endlessly sprawling and full of self-important consumers, but the stampede draws out the ladies
mircea_popescu: this is in no sense what i said, however.
mircea_popescu: ladies that take "drawing out" are the anticool.
pete_dushenski: well said
pete_dushenski: in that sense, it's really only vegas that strikes me as a cool place on the continent
mircea_popescu: not really, not anymore. not since hughes bought the cool people out.
mircea_popescu: http://hwcdn.net/t3r3e5a7/cds/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/240215tsa1.jpg << in other news... tsa now outsourcing their idiocy to airlines.
mircea_popescu: because hey, why should you get blamed for doing something stupid ? force others to do it for you!
pete_dushenski: in the sense that cool is relative, vegas, for all its abhorrence, is still cooler than whatever else there is
pete_dushenski: by your definition
mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski i can see that point yeah.
mircea_popescu: problem is, it's like money : either you have fully monetized cool, and then it's cool and that's that, suck it.
pete_dushenski: re: tsa outsourcing, 'tis basically just el-al protocol
mircea_popescu: or else you have partially unmonetized cool, and then there's different cools vying. like, las vegas is the cool for people like liz blakely. however, san diego is the cool for people like leah mcfuckface, what's her name
mircea_popescu: the dumb newsweek goon that "discovered" satoshi
pete_dushenski: even qantas did this recently: 'are you carrying more than $10k in monies' and 'are you a tewowist' thing
pete_dushenski: mcgrath ?
mircea_popescu: such nuts. "wtf dude it's not your business how much money i got"
mircea_popescu: yeah that.
pete_dushenski: super such nuts.
pete_dushenski: felt like they were trying to protect their dollar from alien invaders or something
pete_dushenski: el-al at least sticks to 'oh so you were on kibbutz for 2 months, what's the hebrew word for milk ?'
pete_dushenski: qantas was a whorish imitation
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031906 << wtf nation of fucking otakus over there or what ?! it's like the 5th grade, "o may gawd he grabbed her butt!!" of fucking course he did. what did you think it's for ?
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mircea_popescu: pete_dushenski "it wasn't a diary kibbutz, it was a bombs and explosives kibbutz. DIE GREAT SATAN!!!"
pete_dushenski: p.s. who is liz blakely ?
mircea_popescu: a decade or w/e ago i last visited the us, they wanted to know if i have any real clothes.
mircea_popescu: i guess this qualifies in the same line. but at least it was fucking customs, not the airline.
mircea_popescu: honestly, it looked more like a private concern of the guy's.
pete_dushenski: 'real clothes' ? wtf is that ? were they suspicious of the gypsy with money braided in his fro ?
mircea_popescu: lol. i had suits and white shirts etc.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Did you not have your TSA approved paper gown?
mircea_popescu: i never saw the tsa, somehow.
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031908 << very desirable, as shown by the infantile giggling reaction to even a faint whiff.
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mircea_popescu: "In any business, including the Federal Government" << check it out ?! it's a business now ?
mircea_popescu: "we're in the business of fucking shit up!"
pete_dushenski would love to see the catholic church, or similar, admit the same
mircea_popescu: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=24-02-2015#1031922 << this is fucking insane. "federal employees are not overpaid because federal govt is a business except it's not a business, and other businesses that are businesses skew the business average data!!!! federal employees are not overpaid by comparison to federal employees, in fact thjere's a perfect 1:1 correspondence"
mircea_popescu: where the fuck do these idiots go to school ? clearly it must be a special venue.
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pete_dushenski: especially when it pops up so readily on teg googles
pete_dushenski: the lulzy thing about federal, and other gov employees, is that they think they're underpaid!
mircea_popescu: well they ARE doing a great job at fucking shit up
pete_dushenski: they imagine that private contractors, who charge millions of dollars for various and sundry services, are making mad bank
mircea_popescu: that's not the problem.
pete_dushenski: while the private ceo's might be, the average gov emplyee is better paid and works less than the private contractor
mircea_popescu: they imagine that if they were in the private sector, they'd be contenders for vp of jpm
mircea_popescu: rather than struggle to make it as a janitor at mcd.
pete_dushenski: lol right
pete_dushenski: the only published salaries for private employees are 7 figures
mircea_popescu: just like pansy ass middle class priss imagines if she were a street hooker she'd dazzle everyone with her charms.
mircea_popescu: and on it goes.
pete_dushenski: and they imagine that their 6 would become 7 if only they were paid what they're worth
pete_dushenski: and yet, they don't leave
mircea_popescu: part of the problem is that they have plenty of time to daydream.
mircea_popescu: which is how bad 'regulations" come about too.
pete_dushenski: 'this is how it COULD work'
pete_dushenski: they'd be better off writing children's books
mircea_popescu: as long as no children actually read the abominations.
pete_dushenski: which, i suppose is what gov regulations really are
pete_dushenski: they're for the child-at-heart-and-at-head
pete_dushenski: so 'think of the children' is perfectly valid in this la-la-land because it equates to 'think of me'
pete_dushenski: and what child doesn't think that they're the centre of the known universe ?
pete_dushenski: hint: one without parents
gabriel_laddel: And also for the American Universities the tide may be turning. Traditionally they have been asked to train the work-force for the American industry, while the question of educating the industry so as to be worthy of their graduates was left untouched. But, currently, companies in Silicon Valley seem to be folding up at a higher rate than they are erected. I consider that good news because it could drive home the me
gabriel_laddel: ssage that neither slogans like "knowledge-based decision aids", nor a combination of adhoccery and brute force will do the job. (It is regrettable that large groups only come to their senses after their day-dreams have turned into nightmares but, this being so, we should occasionally welcome the nightmares.)
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mircea_popescu: ahahahaha
mircea_popescu: wait wait, the industry is to be trained to be worthy of all the outpouring social studies experts ?
mircea_popescu: yes, silicon valley is going to fail. this is BECAUSE OF US. nothing else.
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mircea_popescu: no doubt in my mind they'll actually do it. nothing else they could do.
mircea_popescu: such glorious.
mircea_popescu: wasn't dijkstra dead tho ?
gabriel_laddel: nah, he lived until into the 2ks iirc
mircea_popescu: 1984 speech
mircea_popescu: well, in THAT context his quote means substantially something else than what i took it to mean, made 30 years later.
gabriel_laddel: eh, not much has changed in the intervening years. s/moocs/knowledge-based decision aids
gabriel_laddel: "the tumor has grown"
gabriel_laddel: surprise
mircea_popescu: a lot has changed actually. in 1980s the battle was on to get ibm to stop fixating on "ibm men wear suits" to the detriment of all else.
mircea_popescu: today the issue is more "who is going to deliver the 500`000`000 beatings needed by these idiot kids"
gabriel_laddel: Hm. Seems to me that it
gabriel_laddel: 's the same problem. Lack of contact with reality. Without a war or some such you'll have a class of people who revert to judging others by their suits/hoodies/lack of personality
gabriel_laddel: That class has grown considerably, right along with inflation.
mircea_popescu: perhaps. tho the "ibm look" of the 1980s was more of a testament of obedience, much in the manner an [insecure] master may mandate slavegirls wear collars.
mircea_popescu: whereas the hoodies of 2010 are a testament of anomie.
mircea_popescu: "we could be creative, there's certainly nothing keeping us from it" sorta thing
gabriel_laddel: Another interesting EWD for those who've not had the pleasure of reading Dijkstra: http://www.cs.utexas.edu/users/EWD/transcriptions/EWD11xx/EWD1175.html
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mircea_popescu: "so they why aren't you ? why is it still the same three kiddie pools you're threading all over ? they're muddy and green ffs!" "sshh!"
mircea_popescu: The final reason for my refusal is that the habit appeals to the quantitative mind and I come from a culture in which the primarily quantitative mind does not evoke admiration. [A major reason that we considered Roman Catholics to belong to a lower class was precisely their quantitative bent: they always counted, number of faithful, number of days in purgatory, you name it.....]
mircea_popescu: an interesting point, tho im not entirely sure what value it carries. warp and weft, as he says.
mircea_popescu: " (If you even wondered why I did not join Disneyland or IBM, you now know why. )" << gabriel_laddel see ? right there.
gabriel_laddel: I had that quote in the scratch buffer right along with some others prior to posting in the chat. Did read.
gabriel_laddel: It seems to me that again, the basic mechanism is the same. But then again, I wasn't there, and surely cannot comprehend the suit fetish in its full absurdity.
mircea_popescu: anyway, thank god dijkstra died and i don't have to read 2014 abominations from him like i have to read 2014 "manifest destiny" abominations from buffett.
mircea_popescu: it's always sad when a great mind dies. it's worse when it just goes dark and keeps on living.
gabriel_laddel: ;; google sickboy's theory of life
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mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you readily can. it's like trying to keep a 16yo girlfriend today. think of that, you have the model.
mircea_popescu: stupidity never ever changes, at all.
gabriel_laddel: "The intelligence level shifts because the experience level shifts. Warren speaks on his experience from 1930 – Jay is from a different culture and different time in history. His intelligence should be measured by the decisions that he makes, not by stories he tells of his previous environment. Just the fact that he is making the decision to surround himself with a mentor like warren buffet should tell you a lo
gabriel_laddel: t about this young man. His net worth of 607MM should say a lot to."
gabriel_laddel: hahahaha
BingoBoingo: ;;google "Universe 25"
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gabriel_laddel: (I googled "buffet manifest destiny")
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: danke BingoBoingo!
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: you just need a pulse << not how it worked in ussr. sadistic entrance exams (for sci degree, that is. not for meritwash of apparatchik children, that was done american-style)
mircea_popescu: ascii_field obviously not. i was asking him about his country today.
ascii_field: there's a country where they have this ?
mircea_popescu: otherwise, about one 18 yo girl per 1000 killed herself (chiefly by hanging) for having done a poor job on the exames.
ascii_field: straight to jp
ascii_field: where this is sop
mircea_popescu: imo this is the mark of a good exam. if you don't get 1 female suicide out of 1k, you'e not really doing an exam.
ascii_field: sounds pathetically low
mircea_popescu: who the fuck is "jay"
mircea_popescu: and who the fuck "surrounds themselves" with mentors. is this jay's movie ?
ascii_field: you get 1 of 1000 at 'standard temperature and pressure' in some places
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no, it's 1 per 10k normally, and notice the age specification. you'd get about 1 to 300k 18yo suicides normally.
ascii_field is listening to a '3d printer' go, and it's strangely hypnotic - like 'dot matrix' printer but less grating on the ear
nubbins`: i saw this ridiculous youtube ad about this asshole with an obv rented lambo
nubbins`: talking about how he found 5 mentors!
nubbins`: and he can now teach you their secrets
ascii_field: at this point i can tell the topology being printed by the sounds, though not the geometry, and it's creating a strange picture in head
nubbins`: the logical conclusion is 10 of them performing the imperial march
ascii_field: eh already done
punkman: I didn't explain well before, here's how it works: 1. last year of high school you, national exams. 2. you make ordered list of unis you'd like to study at 3. exam grades and minimum grade for each uni are published. 4. congratulations, you got your 27th choice.
punkman: and you kinda have to be an amoeba to not get in some uni
nubbins`: wake me up when they can play rachmaninoff ;p
mircea_popescu: punkman thats exactl;y how it works everywhere, romania, france. "bacalaureat" is the proper term, tho prolly greeks don't use it ?
thestringpuller: ascii_field: you're leaving your house quite often these days. I thought you may have developed agoraphobia.
mircea_popescu: in any case, it's a great system, but a) most kids have to pay and b) i forget.
ascii_field: thestringpuller: wurk
mircea_popescu: nubbins` tu du du duuuum tu du duu duuuum
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punkman: mircea_popescu: it was great when they weren't all "no kid left behind"
mircea_popescu: pity this got so fucking popularised. it's a great march.
mircea_popescu: punkman romanians just make them pay, it's beautiful. "got a 9.9x on natl exams ? ok, free. got 9.85 ? 3k a year. fu."
mircea_popescu: so beautiful.
punkman: and we are basically exporting all the decent graduates, since nobody wants to live on 500eur/month salary
ascii_field: what kind of money is 3k-usd in ro ?
ascii_field: a toyota ?
mircea_popescu: ascii_field 9k gdp. basically, a salary.
mircea_popescu: tbh, there's absolutely no reason college time costs more than 10-15k in the us, either.
mircea_popescu: everything over that is just inflabezzle.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: that's not even the interesting part
ascii_field: but the 10-20%/yr increment
mircea_popescu: ya well.
nubbins`: actually now that i think about it
ascii_field: outruns every conceivable other thing
nubbins`: there's been a tuition freeze here since like ~2001
nubbins` shrugs, gives up
ascii_field: nubbins`: where i live, the 'tuition freeze' is a total scam. they raise 'fees'
ascii_field: that are mandatory but somehow 'not tuition'
nubbins`: there *are* more fees now -- rec hall fee, xyz improvement fee... but still a shadow of non-frozen tuition
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller guy's just trying to matter, i wouldn't read too much into it.
ascii_field: and housing cost, that of books (mandatory and unshareable because homework given through www for which password is a scratch-off card in book) etc
mircea_popescu: ascii_field who in his right fucking mind would participoate in this ?
mircea_popescu: i mean, just this. THIS.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: who do you think?
nubbins`: in his right fucking mind is the key
nubbins`: a better question, who would fuck everyone else in the world, in the ass, for a free book?
ascii_field: who: folks who know they have a 1 in 10 shot at employment if they play, but 1 in 100 if not
nubbins`: and the answer is actually a fair number of people, university professors included
gabriel_laddel: ;; google uncle al SPEED HEALS
gribble: Backreaction: New experiment doesn't see fifth force, rules out class ...: <http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2015/02/new-experiment-doesnt-see-fifth-force.html>; Boils: MedlinePlus Medical Encyclopedia: <http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001474.htm>; Kraven the Hunter (Alyosha Kravinoff) - Wikipedia, the free ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: those aren't people.
assbot: SPEED HEALS ... ( http://bit.ly/1BmYnSs )
ascii_field has the complete set
nubbins`: and yet they're still determining what the course materials are
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: actually my explanation is out of date, now that i think about it
gabriel_laddel: ascii_field: has complete set of Uncle Al? Worth every satoshi?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: folks aren't signing up for uni because of employment, but as a temporary reprieve from... what comes next
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: yes. and even bought it for actual money back when al was selling
ascii_field: still have the floppies.
ascii_field: i tried and tried, without success, to get schwartz in here.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel we were going to put it on the cardano originally, but guy stopped answering emails.
ascii_field: got enough of a squeak out of him to learn that he's alive, but he doesn't sit on the net much these days
mircea_popescu: ascii_field of course. WHICH IS WHY THEY ARENT PEOPLE
ascii_field: sorta went perelman
gabriel_laddel: understandably.
gabriel_laddel: I've given a few people links to PERUSING THE LIMITS OF FAILED SYMMETRY
gabriel_laddel: they flip out
mircea_popescu: same exact thing happens in romania, 20sometrhing yo girlie, still very much mentally 15, does not want to learn to suck cock, does not think a job's high enough for her reddit-powered pretense,
ascii_field: schwartz is one of my personal 'heroes'
danielpbarron: not sure if i did this right
mircea_popescu: goes for a phd. parents support "education" becasuse parents are a) idiotic and b) mostly women buy the time she's 25 anyway
ascii_field: i did a good bit of supercomp heavy lifting for his eotvos thing, pro bono
danielpbarron: not seeing a /dev/ttyUSBx
ascii_field: danielpbarron: what's on the other end?
ascii_field: other end should be that little dongle
ascii_field: plugged into your werkstation
mircea_popescu: and the very few that do work, take up bs jobs a la "pr". which, in romania, is just about the 2010 version of "hairdresser".
gabriel_laddel: (allow me to retract "flip out" - they don't address any of the arguments, say that it pattern matches for 'crank'. I point out that this isn't an argument and that every sentence is clearly falsifiable. Conversation terminates.)
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ascii_field: danielpbarron: and what happens?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel and all that just from an essay ?
danielpbarron: the pogo light turns red after blinking green, and nothing new appears in /dev/tty
mircea_popescu: mats as they say, *someone* reads the logs.
danielpbarron: this was done to an otherwise untouched pogo
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: schwartz actually experimented with cleaning it up and submitting as proper latexed paper to journals
thestringpuller: PM just told me of a NL company that does ecommerce
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: got similar response
ascii_field: !s adelberger
assbot: 8 results for 'adelberger' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=adelberger
thestringpuller: when you go to checkout, if you are using internet explorer, they charge you an IE tax to encourage people not to use it.
ascii_field: ^ the piece of shit who has to die for there being any chance of al's experiment being run in the english world
ascii_field: and not only him, but everyone who did degree under him, etc
mats: " Currently, for pure Bitcoin to Bitcoin transactions, there are multiple ways todiscover the location and identity of the individual in question." IPs are not locations
mats: " When an indivdual wants to buy or sell any sizable amount of Bitcoin, they need to interface with a Bitcoin retailer like Harborly or an exchange likeBitstamp, all of whom adhere to extensive KYC (Know Your Customer) policies." whats OTC?
mircea_popescu: "o look, we're stupid therefore carnot cycle doesn't exist"
mats: mircea_popescu: their reading comprehension is awful if they went and wrote this piece afterwards
mircea_popescu: mats it doesn't even load on my system, so there is that.
mircea_popescu: otherwise i'd have left them a comment.
mircea_popescu: ahaha "like harborly" ? who the fuck ius harborly.
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: if you're interested in the eotvos thing, absolutely must read the old threads here
ascii_field: esp. how al's problem isn't fixable with money
mats: idk. another exchange that loves bootstrap from what i see.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Yep. Aggressive intelligence frightens the luddites(?) who have temporarily taken over.
gabriel_laddel: !up ascii_field
mircea_popescu: another exchange that loves making total fucking asses of themselves, that's for sure. any of the old idiots involved ? rosenfeld ? kenna ?
mircea_popescu: it has the old bitcoin fucktard impertinence to it.
mats: i don't recognize any names on their about page
ascii_field: ty gabriel_laddel!
mats: connor black and gabriel ferrin
mircea_popescu: well anyway. when a bunch of idiots decide to make "their own exchange" and pretend like it has to do with bitcoin, it gets laughed at in b-a and goes away in about 18 months.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: I remember that a while ago you mentioned you lectured at local universities. Was this in Romania aor Argentina?
mircea_popescu: romania. brief, mostly because friend ran it.
danielpbarron: ascii_field, when should something show up in /dev ? when i plug the usb thing in? or when the povo turns on?
thestringpuller: BingoBoingo: Maybe like thestringpuller's it is missing << pete_dushenski: I think that got fixed. tumblr is lik dumb.
ascii_field: danielpbarron: in a modern linux box, you get a /dev/ttyUSBx immediately
ascii_field: whether anything is plugged in on other end or not
ascii_field: (serial dongle cannot know)
danielpbarron: i do not get that
ascii_field: on the workstation end
ascii_field: wtf are you using for a machine
ascii_field: and kernel
ascii_field: does it show up in lsusb ?
ascii_field: and /var/log/messages
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danielpbarron: ok apparently my computer has been dumping to /var/log/messages nonstop since my install and is now 21 gigs
danielpbarron: something about nvidia
mircea_popescu: blockchain #2!
ascii_field: whaddayamean you don't have a dedicated monitor for /var/log/messages
ascii_field: like normal folks.
danielpbarron: i don't even know what that means
ascii_field: you know, box on a leg, displays things
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel for the sake of argument, can you identify an university that closer adheres to dijk's ideas set forth in your 2nd url than b-a ?
gabriel_laddel: which is actually why I was reading it
mircea_popescu: " The external pressures to do the wrong thing are enormous, but yielding to them would be fatal for the academic enterprise, while resisting the pressure reinforces its strengths. The pressures are, in fact, so strong that I do not know a university where there is not some faculty or some department that has yielded, but there should be no mercy for snake oil pedlars on campus."
ascii_field is rather fond of dijkstra
ascii_field: he thought that university could become a fortress against dark age
ascii_field: like in the old days
gabriel_laddel: I've been having fantasies about WoT for academic matters. The ability to turn off an entire viewpoint in a graph-traversal. Ah.
mircea_popescu: it's the intended use.
mircea_popescu: not merely the "don't run code not in your wot".
ascii_field: gabriel_laddel: except that they -have- a wot. just, firmly under sc4mz0r control.
ascii_field: al schwartz, for example,. wasn't in it
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ascii_field: and couldn't possibly enter
mircea_popescu: studies not in your wot never happened.
mircea_popescu: cultural diversity actually possible, for likle... the first time ever.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field no they do not.
ascii_field: precisely. ergo, to 'respectable academia', schwartz never happened
mircea_popescu: they have a reddit.
ascii_field: could not happen
mircea_popescu: a reddit is NOT a wot.,
ascii_field: how's it a reddit
ascii_field: doesn't vote
mircea_popescu: just like a crate is "like a car" except not a car.
mircea_popescu: in the most important manner : it's summable. a graph is not.
mircea_popescu: the value of a node depends on the path you take to it.
mircea_popescu: this does not exist on reddit. values of nodes are "absolute".
mircea_popescu: and it does fucking vote. what do you think "peer review" and "tenure comissions" are ?
mircea_popescu: imagine the concept of "x is tenured for a1, ak but not for ak+1 an faculty members" ?
ascii_field: the basic cockroach in the soup is that traditional academia fights for usg table scraps
mircea_popescu: even the fact that "firmly under scamzor control" shows that it's not a wot.
ascii_field: i.e. who gets to eat
ascii_field: and who doesn't
mircea_popescu: scammers can't control a wot specifically because it's a wot.
mircea_popescu: re the entire discussion about "standardization" and how it's bad
mircea_popescu: you recall that thread ?
ascii_field: hm which
mircea_popescu: why we don't want to all apply the same scoring criteria for people ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema how the wot is attacked how the wot defends itself
gribble: Advanced WoT course : how the WoT is attacked, and how ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/advanced-wot-course-how-the-wot-is-attacked-and-how-it-defends-itself>; You can't have door-to-door shakedowns in defeudalised France ...: <http://www.contravex.com/2015/02/04/you-cant-have-door-to-door-shakedowns-in-defeudalised-france/>; Jooz and stereotypes. | Contravex: A blog by Pete (1 more message)
ascii_field: ah that
mircea_popescu: yes that.
ascii_field: it is deceptively easy to avoid the problems of usg academia if you aren't trying to deal with the question of how folks are to eat. just like it is very easy for an electromobile to 'not pollute' - superficially - because it lacks a tailpipe
ascii_field: but electromobile's energy doesn't come from the gods
mircea_popescu: the "folks are to eat" thing is not a problem.
mircea_popescu: every volk eats individually.
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mircea_popescu: how exactly they do it is really no-one's problem unless they start doing particular things.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: point being that it's much easier to honestly work towards some useful end when not fighting over crumbs
mircea_popescu: this can't ever be a point.
mircea_popescu: it mixes two things that can't be in the same sentence.
gabriel_laddel: ;; google Henry Kissinger "the battles are so vicious because the stakes are so small"
ascii_field: this is quite reminiscent of the elektromobile thing, imho
gribble: Sayre's law - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sayre's_law>; Academic Politics Are So Vicious Because the Stakes Are So Small ...: <http://quoteinvestigator.com/2013/08/18/acad-politics/>; Henry Kissinger - Wikiquote: <http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Henry_Kissinger>
mircea_popescu: "In the wake of the Cultural Revolution and now of the recession I observe a mounting pressure to co-operate and to promote "teamwork". For its anti-individualistic streak, such a drive is of course highly suspect; some people may not be so sensitive to it, but having seen the Hitlerjugend in action suffices for the rest of your life to be very wary of "team spirit". Very. I have even read one text that argued that uni
mircea_popescu: versity scientists should co-operate more in order to become more competitive..... Bureaucracies are in favour of teamwork because a few groups are easier to control than a large number of rugged individuals."
mircea_popescu: there's the story, how convenient.
mircea_popescu: find your own crumbs. that way a) we're stronger and b) there's no "income" tax.
mircea_popescu: because it's your own god damned income.
gabriel_laddel: Yep. It takes a while for people to figure this out though - especially when there are the remnants of actual intellects (von n., ulam) hanging around.
mircea_popescu: well the advantage is that people can take all the time they need.
ascii_field: works great for now, while there are plentiful crumbs scattered around.
mircea_popescu: not being goal-oriented, but cause-driven, la serenissima is in no particular hurry.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field there are always plenty of crumbs scattered around for the man carrying a large enough hammer.
ascii_field: what would 'being in a hurry' look like ?
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ascii_field: not sure how the imbecile connects here
mircea_popescu: besides the point. that's what being in a hurry looks like. "omfg, i wonder if there are many people following me", said that blair deffective while walking towards the elephant rifle in hand
mircea_popescu: he should have had twitter.
ascii_field: but that's not 'hurry' per se, that's democraretardation
mircea_popescu: no, that's hurry per se.
mircea_popescu: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty mircea_popescu
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mircea_popescu: "Under current circumstances I would not even attempt to promote co-operation between the academic and the industrial worlds, because it seems pointless and dangerous. I have come to the conclusion that, industrial management being what it is, it is extremely unlikely that computing science can save the computing industry. Conversely, the computer industry can severely damage computing science; it does so quite regular
mircea_popescu: ly by the donation of equipment that had better be ignored."
mircea_popescu: no srsly, this is a great thing.
mircea_popescu: i had forgotten just how on point dijkstra is.
ascii_field: we did that one here, iirc
ascii_field: and yes, he was completely spot-on
mircea_popescu: "Academic computing science is doing fine, thank you, and unless I am totally mistaken, it will have a profound influence. I am not referring to the changes that result from computers in their capacity of tools. Okay, the equipment opens new opportunities for the entertainment industry, but who cares about that anyhow. The equipment has enabled the airline industry to make its rates so complicated and volatile that you
mircea_popescu: need an expert to buy a ticket, and for this discouragement of air travel we can be grateful" << my exact brand of ecology,
ascii_field: the actual field of comp sci was annihilated more thoroughly than anything the lysenkoists did to soviet biology
mircea_popescu: amusing how spot on he was huh :D
gabriel_laddel: "So, if I look into my foggy crystal ball at the future of computing science education, I overwhelmingly see the depressing picture of "Business as usual". The universities will continue to lack the courage to teach hard science, they will continue to misguide the students, and each next stage of infantilization of the curriculum will be hailed as educational progress.
gabriel_laddel: I now have had my foggy crystal ball for quite a long time. Its predictions are invariably gloomy and usually correct, but I am quite used to that and they won't keep me from giving you a few suggestions, even if it is merely an exercise in futility whose only effect is to make you feel guilty."
gabriel_laddel: - EWD1063
gabriel_laddel: "You don't need to take my proposal seriously because it is so ridiculous that I am obviously completely out of touch with the real world. But that kite won't fly, for I know the real world only too well: the problems of the real world are primarily those you are left with when you refuse to apply their effective solutions. So, let us try again."
gabriel_laddel: and here we are.
gabriel_laddel: trying again.
mircea_popescu: amusingly, "Did the writer not know that the use of the term "the real world" is usually interpreted as a symptom of rabid anti-intellectualism, or did he not mind? "
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel i specifically dispute the stance that we're trying "again". it's still the same one try, and it's still going oin magnificently.
mircea_popescu: has been, for millenia.
mircea_popescu: and yes, most derps & mooks have only a fleeting superficial view of it. so ?
gabriel_laddel: On that timescale, sure. when it comes down to Schwartz and Stan having years of their lives wasted...
mircea_popescu: to illustrate what i mean, here's a quote from the mooks in question :
gabriel_laddel: to say that "we" have not been set back is nonsense.
gabriel_laddel: what, the burning of the great library of Alexandria was just a blip?
mircea_popescu: meh i canbt find it. anyway, it was yet another of the "bitcoin has failed" but this one was because "greed made it not applaud gavin"
mircea_popescu: this can be rehashed indefinitely, but what exactly does it do ?
mircea_popescu: i burned books myself, what of it ? they sucked.
ascii_field: folks who mention 'alexandria' aren't usually objecting to burning books per se
ascii_field: but some - presumably interesting - only copy of xxxx that is now lost
mircea_popescu: maybe it sucked ?
ascii_field: or not
ascii_field: whole idea is, nobody knows
mircea_popescu: so then how's it a setback ?
ascii_field: in some cases ( mircea_popescu of all people ought to know ) partial copy of something survives
ascii_field: one (often overhyped but afaik factual) example of a total loss that is later 'un-lost' is archimedes having had fluxions
mircea_popescu: http://www.reddit.com/r/Buttcoin/comments/2v8f84/if_you_are_more_practically_inclined_and_having/ << since im digging up reddit. check out where "l'enfer, c'est l'autres" is identified as "using latin"
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mircea_popescu: ascii_field but you take an eerily supermarket view of this setback thing.
danielpbarron: ok well i got the usb thing to show up in a live ubuntu, but nothing gets sent from pogo
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: hm?
mircea_popescu: tell me, if i burn the walmart in connecticut tomorrow, has capitalism had a setback ?
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: walmart != archimedes
mircea_popescu: books are the defecation product of thinking.
ascii_field: quite possibly a species only ever gets one or two of them
mircea_popescu: they aren't thinking per se anymore than an ashtray is a party.
danielpbarron: do i need to modify uboot to make it send through usb?
ascii_field: danielpbarron: the stock uboot iirc did spew something
ascii_field: check your pinout
ascii_field: also make sure your dongle is set to 115200 baud
ascii_field: try reversing rx and tx
ascii_field: they're almost certainly backwards
ascii_field: then - without unplugging the usb - power cycle the pogo
ascii_field: should see output.
ascii_field: failing this, boot pogo into arch and echo "something" > /dev/ttyS0
danielpbarron: got it!
ascii_field: works?
ascii_field: congrats!
ascii_field: before re-closing chassis,
ascii_field: take a good close-up of dongle & pogo pcb
ascii_field: labeled with rx/tx/gnd
ascii_field: if you've the time
ascii_field: for other folks
danielpbarron: already closed it
ascii_field: also note that it will overheat if run at length w/out heatsink
ascii_field: (the aluminum plate)
ascii_field: at any rate, danielpbarron now has an 'adult' pogo
ascii_field: it is even theoretically possible to restore it if nuked 'uboot' as well
ascii_field: (marvell will slurp up a boot image via 'xmodem' though tty if you feed it)
thestringpuller: crafting completed. new skills unlocked.
ascii_field: all the rest of you with 'pogos', i highly recommend taking the time to do this mod
nubbins`: is the serial mod necessary or can i just ssh to the silly thing?
danielpbarron: i'll try to document what i did
ascii_field: nubbins`: it lets you debug boot, and see kernel output prior to nic init
nubbins`: aha.
nubbins`: so i don't need it unless i do, in other words
ascii_field: also lets you resurrect a wedged box
nubbins`: pret-t-t-t-t-y sure i've got an FTDI adapter here somewhere
ascii_field: (expect mircea_popescu to retort 'throw the damn thing out' but i'll note that they aren't exactly in limitless supply - nor do we yet know of an alternate box that is)
ascii_field: (i do have one of these, http://i.imgur.com/EuoNzHn.jpg - ~18 usd - but it suffers from lack of sata, 32M(ram) 8M(rom), and a wifi chip that cannot be disabled - built into cpu and embedded antenna)
ascii_field: cryptome dead ?
mircea_popescu: i didn't say that eh.
nubbins`: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty nubbins`
cazalla: BingoBoingo: Bad google http://www.zdnet.com/article/google-bans-explicit-adult-content-from-blogger-blogs/ <<< the amusing part of this is that the author of that article sued a porn actor who used the same name as the author, poor girl had to get a new name
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ascii_field: porn - a-ok in usa; viewing porn without usg permanent record of the act - nope
ascii_field: never know who might have to be 'robert borked' in the future.
mircea_popescu: google is scummy by now.
mircea_popescu: ascii_field how's blogger.com banning porn further that ?
mircea_popescu: no, it's just provincialism, the same idiotic middle age women that run apple now run google.
ascii_field: mircea_popescu: not banned. permitted in 'viewable only to registered' sites.
ascii_field: it's being herded.
mircea_popescu: cunts shackled and sad on the internet their forecunts had fought to conquer ?
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mircea_popescu: but yes, the "sexual disorder" of the 90s is definitely coming to a close. it's too expensive, and to most dickheads undesirable anyway.
mircea_popescu: the gays got their way with marriage prior to the freeze, but that's it. pedos aren't getting theirs.
mircea_popescu: who cares that pedo today ==== faggot 1965.
ascii_field: much more politically useful even
ascii_field: electronic equivalent of toilet tank cocaine
cazalla: mircea_popescu: todd gack mysteriously missing. <<< yeah, what sort of name is that anyway?
cazalla: shame you can't todd gack someone on reddit with a few thousand satoshi
kakobrekla: buttstamp is looking for 'senior django developer'
kakobrekla: a friend replied telling them he can fix everything that is wrong, but they dont want that.
kakobrekla: !up ascii_field
ascii_field: ty kakobrekla!
ascii_field: kakobrekla: how do -you- normally answer letters from people offering to 'fix everything that's wrong' ?
kakobrekla: idk if i was ever in a position where 'everything is wrong' was legit claim.
mike_c: didn't you write bitbet in PHP?
mike_c runs quickly
ben_vulpes: hee hee
kakobrekla: nah, that was mpex
ben_vulpes: ho ho
kakobrekla: !up ascii_field
kakobrekla: adont thank me
kakobrekla: !up kushed
mike_c: sekrit php detector. i had no idea.
PeterL: pete_dushenski:weird thing is: bablogs.btcscoop.com seems to have no problem with it << I forgot I had to do a funny trick with codecs to get that to work, lets see if scoopbot works now?
ben_vulpes is a baffle
mike_c: and just because this should be immortalized in the logs: http://phpsadness.com/
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ascii_field: last i checked, php wasn't mandatory
mike_c: you lost me there.
mircea_popescu: i think it was in the logs from last time we did this
mike_c: not according to search
assbot: Logged on 17-02-2014 22:31:05; mircea_popescu: http://phpsadness.com/sad/9
mike_c: !s phpsadness
assbot: 0 results for 'phpsadness' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phpsadness
ascii_field: afaik nobody is forced to program in it
mircea_popescu: !s phpsadness.com
assbot: 3 results for 'phpsadness.com' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=phpsadness.com
mircea_popescu: no stemming eh ?
mike_c: intersting. slash is a word break but not a period?
mircea_popescu: !s b-a.link
assbot: 1 results for 'b-a.link' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=b-a.link
mircea_popescu: !s s.b-a
assbot: 0 results for 's.b-a' : http://s.b-a.link/?q=s.b-a
mircea_popescu: SOME dots are wordbreaks.
mike_c: word breaking is different from stemming. that feels.. wrong. mthreat is it normal for periods to not break words?
mike_c: ;;later tell mthreat is it an index option for periods to break words?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
mats: django. god help the one that accepts the job.
mircea_popescu: "the Web framework for perfectionists with deadlines" ?
mike_c: what's wrong with django? i bit bloated, but there's a lot of good code in there.
mats: a buddy of mine uses it only the daily. moans constantly.
mats: on^
jurov: pity more people don't use turbogears2. i have found it quite usable, with documentation uptodate and keeps improving
ben_vulpes: fuck it
ben_vulpes: fuck django, fuck rails, and probably fuck turbogears too.
jurov: fuck everythign that moves.
ben_vulpes: while they can all be used well by people who know what they're doing, most people using them categorically do not.
jurov: and all other too
mike_c: and the alternative is they build from a microframework and fuck up even more?
ben_vulpes: and in their experiments with object oriented programming create these insane class hierarchies that are impossible to fit into human working memory.
jurov: oh, that. http is notable for its leaky effects into all higher layers
ben_vulpes: mike_c: ever touched a clojure ring app?
mike_c: not with a 10ft pole
ben_vulpes: oh and let's not get into the ORM.
ben_vulpes: while again it can be used well by people who can use it well (intentional tautology)
ben_vulpes: the novice's desire to not learn how relational databases work and how to leverage their strengths is damaging to both themselves and anyone downhill of them.
jurov: you mean people who have a clue what happens on wire/in browser?
jurov: rdbms are easier that that
ben_vulpes: ORM/wire?
mike_c: i don't get it. you're saying a novice can use cojure ring and not hurt himself?
ben_vulpes: not at all.
ben_vulpes: a sword still cuts.
mike_c: so you are just offended by the offering of something between cojure/ring and wordpress.
ben_vulpes: but the surface area over which they can make mistakes is vastly limited.
ben_vulpes: mike_c: keep in mind i'm approaching this from an empirical perspective.
mike_c: idk. noobs will make sites. and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks. what can you do.
jurov: ben_vulpes: so everything sucks because idiots can use it to hang themselves?
ben_vulpes: miserable django shites made by novices rapidly become very expensive to reason about.
ben_vulpes: rails, ibid.
ben_vulpes: (most wordprexen are cobbled together from plugins - not terrifically difficult to reason about)
mike_c: ok, but i'm not going to judge by how easy it is to un-fuck a particular framework done poorly.
ben_vulpes: there's something about working in lisp that seems to reduce the speed at which entropy chews apart a webdev project.
mike_c: or, there's something about those that choose lisp..
ben_vulpes: i'm always cautious about that line.
ben_vulpes: mostly, because it's so damn easy.
ben_vulpes: and i speak not as a veteran here.
ben_vulpes back to the mines
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: there you go with that lisp nonsense again!
thestringpuller: ben_vulpes: the best webdev lanuage is PHP.
lobbes: <ben_vulpes> mostly, because it's so damn easy. << I played with lisp for a second, and even I felt like seemed way more 'intuitive'
ben_vulpes: (oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community")
thestringpuller: rails is da shit
jurov: my impression of list is that it boosts ego to the point of making any cooperation hard
jurov: *lisp
thestringpuller: django is good for marketing teams who need to deploy content fast and don't have IT
thestringpuller: jurov hits nail on head
mike_c: or for webdevs that don't want to rebuild every wheel
mike_c: turbogears2 looks good too.. i have some vague memory of not liking sql alchemy for some reason, but that was awhile ago and i can't remember why.
thestringpuller: mike_c: yes. but rails took this overboard imo.
mike_c: agreed. i think rails has too much black magic
thestringpuller: the rails generate command is abused a bit too much
thestringpuller: i know the script kiddies love it, but probably same reason they defend node.js
ben_vulpes: "No Thinking Required!"™
BingoBoingo: !up ascii_field
ben_vulpes: "Mindlessly Churn Out Crud Apps!"
jurov: "Excremental Development Model (r)(tm)"
ascii_field: ty BingoBoingo!
ascii_field: boosts ego to the point of making any cooperation hard << wat
jurov: my impression is, eveythign around lisp is considerably fragmented
mats: i spent the last ten mins reading BlueMeanie4's blog
mats: what a mistake
thestringpuller: mats: why did you submit yourself to that punishment?
mats: i wanted to see if he had anything useful to say in a long form medium
mats: turns out hes as retarded on a blog as he is on irc and twitter
thestringpuller: ah. Well he honestly thinks GPG contracts are failures because they are too hard to use...which is like retard believing he is not retarded.
mats: and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to
mats: (the ones that used to hang here, anyway)
thestringpuller: mats: you've made me miss EskimoBob
thestringpuller: ;;seen EskimoBob
gribble: EskimoBob was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 33 weeks, 4 days, 16 hours, 33 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <EskimoBob> no idea how executions are shown on btct
mats: ;;seen evoorhees
gribble: evoorhees was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 31 weeks, 4 days, 23 hours, 29 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <evoorhees> I need to go for now, on later
Adlai: if anything, GPG contracts are too easy to use
thestringpuller: Adlai: drafting them to spec is difficult sometimes. Like coming up with a good statement of work, or an SLA
thestringpuller: but this is irrelevant of execution i suppose
assbot: Greek surrender: When all hope is gone - Al Jazeera English ... ( http://bit.ly/1w9FJ9a )
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21550 @ 0.00040343 = 8.6939 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4350 @ 0.00040368 = 1.756 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: jurov: my impression is, eveythign around lisp is considerably fragmented << algol's mighty fragmented too
assbot: Paedophile porn rings 'selling live streams of child rape on Skype', Europol warns | Daily Mail Online ... ( http://bit.ly/1BoSZ18 )
cazalla: it's old news btw, for some reason they dug up a report from last year and ran it today as new
thestringpuller: microsoft can't get a break (ms owns skype now rite?)
cazalla: thestringpuller, yeah, i was gonna write it up under heading of hundreds of paedos use microsoft products to rape kids, but actually covered the report the above article mentions back in october or november last year
cazalla: microsft really enable these rapes because not only do the paedos use skype, but they use windows as well
cazalla: plus the paedos have the gall to use legitimate services such as Bitcoin
thestringpuller: about as bad as Gavin killing those kids
ben_vulpes: ;;ticker
cazalla: actually there is a new report.. may as well write it up
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22865 @ 0.00038063 = 8.7031 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00040026 = 2.0013 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> idk. noobs will make sites. and their wordpress blogs will be used in ddos reflection attacks. what can you do. << kvetch
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4883 @ 0.00040146 = 1.9603 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: <ben_vulpes> (oh, and those "experts" in rails/django/yii/whatever tend to swallow wholesale whatever braindamage comes out of the "community") << that's because these are experts in groupthink, having come of age in the 90s at the earliest.
asciilifeform: while hunting for marvell errata sheets, found http://code.google.com/p/inferno-kirkwood/source/browse/devsata.c - driver for same, written for bell labs's 'inferno' os (interesting animal all in itself, see old thread) - contains some clues re: reset behaviour
assbot: devsata.c - inferno-kirkwood - Inferno for the Marvell Kirkwood/Sheevaplug - Google Project Hosting ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFdfp0 )
mircea_popescu: <mats> and anyway i like to see what people offended by mp are up to << lol me too. but this guy... he's not offended, he's just trying to you knwo, "make it in this game".
mircea_popescu: as that kid told that retarded cop once.
mircea_popescu: !up rotarydialer
assbot: Rick Astley - Never Gonna Give You Up - YouTube ... ( http://bit.ly/1zFe7Kl )
mats: its revealing how people react when confronted with inadequacy
thestringpuller: similar to rejection
cazalla: you won't sleep with me? ya fucking slut!
TheNewDeal: ;;nethash
TheNewDeal: !Up gribble
TheNewDeal: Fu, assbot
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
TheNewDeal: ;;Seen gribble
TheNewDeal: Acting like a pouty bitch
mats: hm, 'Citizenfour' is public domain due to being used as evidence in a suit
mats: er, that's a terrible construction, but anyway http://cryptome.org/Citizenfour-HD.7z
asciilifeform: can we do that to the rest of them ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16000 @ 0.00040171 = 6.4274 BTC [+] {2}
mats: i'm not really sure how it works
gribble: 318572931.893
gribble: I have not seen gribble.
gribble: Current Blocks: 345015 | Current Difficulty: 4.668437631686029E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 346751 | Next Difficulty In: 1736 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 6 days, 6 hours, 2 minutes, and 44 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 43633659578.1 | Estimated Percent Change: -6.53477
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13018 @ 0.00039928 = 5.1978 BTC [-]
assbot: Defense provided 2 DVDs of Citizenfour as exhibit in Edwards suit. So film in public domain as unsealed record. On HBO 2/23/15. Leaking $.
mats: i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6336 @ 0.00039928 = 2.5298 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6448 @ 0.00040347 = 2.6016 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14600 @ 0.00040368 = 5.8937 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00040368 = 3.1891 BTC [+]
cazalla: scoopbot, fetch
assbot: Europol Uses Kiddy Porn Hysteria To Attack Bitcoin | Qntra.net ... ( http://bit.ly/1FqGnnC )
mike_c: scoopbot fetch
mike_c: scoopbot -fetch
cazalla: mind of its own
mike_c: "I'll fetch when i damn well please"
thestringpuller: "When I feel like it"
cazalla: !up veeminer
cazalla: oops lol
cazalla: !up Vexual
Vexual: New rules for foreign investors buying real estate in oz. You pay a small lubrication fee to the firb and despite any n shell companies you are liable for theoretical noncompliance fines.
thestringpuller: "lubrication fee" << hue hue
Vexual: Only took a week and everyone happy
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7996 @ 0.00039928 = 3.1926 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 51748 @ 0.0003837 = 19.8557 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: <mats> i'm not certain that submission as evidence nullifies IP rights << it's a right nightmare.
mircea_popescu: they'll be stuck arguing "context"
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller part of the reason it doesn't matter is that nasdaq would like it to.
assbot: The disappeared: Chicago police detain Americans at abuse-laden 'black site' | US news | The Guardian ... ( http://bit.ly/1AIGUR4 )
mircea_popescu: part of the reason nasdaq would like it to is that it's yet anopther "make bitcoin more like fiat retardness"
mircea_popescu: “It’s sort of an open secret among attorneys that regularly make police station visits, this place – if you can’t find a client in the system, odds are they’re there,” said Chicago lawyer Julia Bartmes.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15088 @ 0.00039161 = 5.9086 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: 'black site' << snore, orc management pen.
ben_vulpes: no snore.
ben_vulpes: this "snore" attitude is part and parcel of the decay.
ben_vulpes: "boring, world's going to hell in a handbasket."
asciilifeform: i mean, yes, we'll go there when time comes
ben_vulpes: where's the anger?
asciilifeform: but just as easily to another warehouse
asciilifeform: that's storing iPnohes or toilet paper today
asciilifeform: instead of condemned prisoners
mircea_popescu: you or them, about even odds atm.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu optimist
mircea_popescu: what;s the guy's name, Jon Burge
mircea_popescu: no, im a realist.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6073 @ 0.00038302 = 2.3261 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: he just about got back out i'd guess.
decimation: how do you negrate the city of chicago
decimation: re: federal employees overpaid < I suspect the whole system operates as a net with a hole - all the talent get sucked in and immediately leaves, but the bottom suckers end up 'caught'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17595 @ 0.00037834 = 6.6569 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24050 @ 0.00037502 = 9.0192 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11870 @ 0.00038775 = 4.6026 BTC [+] {2}
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