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ben_vulpes: cazalla: did you hear back from Conformal about the machines they used to come to their 32MB steady-state conclusion?
cazalla: ben_vulpes, forgot about that, i'll do it now
mircea_popescu: for that matter, who from conformal was here ? i forget
decimation: every once in awhile I jones for dayZ, anyone here every play it?
ben_vulpes: this "pruned blockchain" notion sounds dangerous.
assbot: Autoprune by rdponticelli Pull Request #4701 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's a lousy fix for a serious problem that "doesn't exist" because logics
ben_vulpes: what is the actual serious problem?
decimation: I like how on one had the sky is falling so we need bigger blocks, but on the other hand the sky is falling so we need a smaller blockchain
mircea_popescu: but hey, i know, since we solved the blocksize through autopruning, we can make blocks one trilobyte long!
mircea_popescu: decimation notice the typically usg sort of arguing involved.
mircea_popescu: i mean it's ridoinculous, a five year old can smell the shit, yet supposedly pointing it out is somehow controversial and wildly speculative
ben_vulpes: can't run with a wallet in pruned mode?
mircea_popescu: anyway, asciilifeform's orignal "microscope, monkeys" is exceptionally apt, when it comes to "bitcoin scientists"
mircea_popescu: and to think the guy went to princeton!
decimation: who, gavin?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes what do you think this prhttps interface is
decimation: well, satoshi's original judgement was that these guys were pigfuckers, see ya later
mircea_popescu: decimation you can imagine his cold cold sweat once he finally figured out who exactly the "enthusiastic early adopters" were.
mircea_popescu: quite a soviet moment.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes look in logs, your last few lines ?
ben_vulpes: pardon sir, a typo
assbot: Add a switch to allow running in a pruned state by rdponticelli Pull Request #4481 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
decimation: it's enraging that firefox doesn't honor emacs movements
decimation: keyboard shortcuts
ben_vulpes: decimation: konqueror
ben_vulpes: i've yet to set it up myself
ben_vulpes: but it's on the roadmap for 2015
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes two typos, and since it was consistent it made me curious :D
decimation: yeah I always liked konqueror becuase it would just open a file as an arg
ben_vulpes: i finally got helm dialed in (and oh my god, i didn't know that emacs could get that much better
decimation: what's helm do?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: terminal kill ring, incomplete backwards-kill, os paste holder
ben_vulpes: decimation: are you familiar with ido?
ben_vulpes: fuzzy completion in all of the places in which one'd want it?
assbot: Add a switch to allow running in a pruned state by rdponticelli Pull Request #4481 bitcoin/bitcoin GitHub
decimation: yeah I use ido now but it's only marginally better than stock
decimation: yeah that sounds great
decimation: ido kinda sucks honestly, it's matching is dumb
decimation: it's/its
decimation: huh, thanks for the tip, will look into it
ben_vulpes: hang on a sec
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8106 @ 0.00077314 = 6.2671 BTC [+]
assbot: A Package in a league of its own: <code>Helm</code>
assbot: Exploring large projects with Projectile and Helm Projectile
ben_vulpes: integration with grep, ag, and the kill-ring visualization are pretty fantastic.
decimation: ah, yeah I want kill-ring visualization
decimation: thanks
decimation: do you use org-mode?
ben_vulpes: fairly frequently, yes.
ben_vulpes: side note about the 32mb number: andresen claims that as the largest message that can be sent in a single bitcoin p2p message.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2697 @ 0.00077314 = 2.0852 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes it's kind of the intention, but it does not really work
mircea_popescu: (ie, it's unevenly enforced)
ben_vulpes: as in p2p messages exceed 32mb in practice?
ben_vulpes: decimation: why do you ask?
mircea_popescu: as in sometimes they do, more or less impredictably so.
decimation: ben_vulpes: just cause. I find it quite useful, the best personal organizer I have tried
ben_vulpes: decimation: i used it for time tracking before we started using harvest
ben_vulpes: which has got to be the most orwellianly named product out there
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell princesnell https://bitcoinfoundation.org/2014/10/blocksize-economics/ << what, you're collaborating with the empire nao?
assbot: Blocksize Economics | The Bitcoin Foundation
gribble: The operation succeeded.
ben_vulpes: (just trolling - all the paupers have to)
mircea_popescu: lol princess nellia in full metal gear ?
mircea_popescu: ahahahh wait, she's one of the five economists ?
mircea_popescu: somebody's got some splainin' to do.
mircea_popescu: ;;rated princessnell
gribble: You rated user princessnell on Thu Jun 12 00:45:23 2014, with a rating of 2, and supplied these additional notes: She's smart..
mircea_popescu: ;;unrate princessnell
gribble: Successfully removed your rating for princessnell.
decimation: well to be fair she was just a reviewer
decimation: she might have said 'this sucks'
mircea_popescu: one that somehow forgot to come by and say "hey check out the derpage"
decimation: good point
mircea_popescu: and if she did say this sucks, i have no way to know. which isn't consistent with the "smart" rating, sadly.
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mircea_popescu: but as a general moral of the thing, one's best be careful to post on their blog trashing idiots like us* or else they risk appearing in victorious tweets like "oh noes, 5 economists reviewed this!!!", which is exactly how the empire works.
ben_vulpes: how would i get the size of an arbitrary block?
mircea_popescu: getBlockSize() ?
ben_vulpes: ty mircea_popescu
decimation: I don't even get how gavin's post is an economic argument
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: do messages of less than 32 MB transmit regularly? are you aware of a discernable phase boundary for transmission reliability?
decimation: other than "the network would be more valuable if it did more transactions per second"
mircea_popescu: no, which is why i've been sayin'...
mircea_popescu: decimation it IS an economic argument. it goes like so
mircea_popescu: "we do not want to die."
mircea_popescu: it's just not either brought honestly nor signed by its authors.
decimation: the assertions he makes neglect a large pile of real-world costs
mircea_popescu: they are like the usual assetions of the <del>socialist</del> five year old : they neglect everything except for what he wants.
mircea_popescu: and therefore MUST HAVE!!!1
decimation: that's exactly how it reads
mircea_popescu: people tend to forget just how self-defeating idiocy is.
mircea_popescu: all it needs is state itself.
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asciilifeform: pruning << the shitgnomes don't dare a hardfork. so they'll happily try a 'lossy softfork' - see how much functionality can be degraded (in this case, how much of the blockchain can be alzheimered) without hardforking.
mircea_popescu: sooo... mah router just got attacked ;/
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform myeah, "anything that isn't bolted down" or how did it go.
asciilifeform: anything that isn't bolted down, will be shaken loose. very soon.
asciilifeform: and little gnomes, covered in shit, will silently scurry away with it.
mircea_popescu: it's not really shit
mircea_popescu: you just don't understand how the world works.
asciilifeform: i can't help but wonder what our little friends the gnomes chat about amongst themselves.
asciilifeform: when we aren't looking and the lights are out.
mircea_popescu: the world.
mircea_popescu: and how you don't understand it.
asciilifeform: what do they talk about under their buggery blankets
asciilifeform: nah that's on the stage
decimation: it's interesting that they would go so far as to pay someone to attack sites
mircea_popescu: decimation i very much doubt there's any relation there.
mircea_popescu: one can well piss off different groups of idiots you know.
mircea_popescu: now, sure all the idiots in the end are fed out of the same through
mircea_popescu: so one could argue they're the same group in the end. but anyway.
asciilifeform: there are two troughs.
mircea_popescu: maybe they should paint foodstamps in different colors
asciilifeform: out of one, the useful idiots are fed. the ones who actually swallow it all.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in this case, i actually meant money.
asciilifeform: out of the other - the 'full spectrum dominance' folks who know exactly what they're doing.
asciilifeform: the ones who've not only smelled but stoked the ovens.
decimation: I don't think they are involved here
decimation: why would they show up in irc?
mircea_popescu: i very much doubt they exist at all.
asciilifeform: decimation: why would such dignified folks show up in person. represented by idiots of the first kind, in nearly all cases.
mircea_popescu: but this is evolving towards a rehash of the meta-nsa discussion we've really done to death
asciilifeform: there's an inexhaustible supply of them, after all
mircea_popescu: the islant of smart bureaucrats is like ten miles off the island of the amazons
mircea_popescu: those mythical women that are perpetually hawt and perpetually alone.
asciilifeform does not believe in free-range sheeple. or rather, is quite certain that they've been extinct since some time prior to, say, babylon. and the only kind of sheeple to be found today are in meat processing plants - which can only exist if there are eaters.
decimation: with monkeys bombarding them with poo
mircea_popescu: eaters, yes.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform considere the case of the farming ants. are the ants intelligent ? no. are the teats of the bugs milked in time ? yes.
mircea_popescu: nature is economical.
mircea_popescu: especially with intelligence.
asciilifeform: even if a figure like jamie dimon is more analogous to an insect queen than to a 'secret hitler' -
asciilifeform: still, we have an eater.
asciilifeform: or rather, a set.
decimation: asciilifeform: the concluding question being: in front of which chumpatron's maw do you wish to graze?
decimation: how do you escape the factory and roam free?
asciilifeform: ask limonov
decimation: or maybe that templeos guy
asciilifeform: (who, it appears, believes that organized stampede is the answer. well, doesn't really believe it answers the puzzle, but thinks it wrong not to at least try)
mircea_popescu: organised stampede ? lol.
mircea_popescu: if you can do that, why stop there ? make round cubes,
asciilifeform: templeos << terry davis is a 'stainless steel rat.' just, a more skilled one than i am
mircea_popescu: heck, made perpetuum mobile and everything else.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fried ice!
asciilifeform: (arabic?)
mircea_popescu: definitely.
mircea_popescu: low calorie milk, greaseless oil, all the good stuff.
asciilifeform: dried water.
mircea_popescu: organised stampede indeed.
decimation: asciilifeform: mancur olson lived somewhere nearby. he pretty much came to the same conclusion
mircea_popescu: but incidentally : i have for the past hour been writing on this piece
mircea_popescu: which i think will be pretty shattery. roughly same topic.
asciilifeform: decimation: j. c. scott's 'art of not being governed' (related)
decimation: I like how any book worth reading is now warez
decimation: I feel the compulsion to collect them in case 1984
asciilifeform: well, any book in ru
asciilifeform: i've ~80GB here.
asciilifeform: and that's... plain ascii.
asciilifeform: compressed.
decimation: asciilifeform: what is the ru copyright law? do they thumb their nose at the bern convention
decimation: that's alot of books
undata: libgen.org?
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undata: seems to have everything
asciilifeform: decimation: complicated.
asciilifeform: decimation: on paper, 1990s oligarchs sold even the pre-copyright-era (ussr to 1974) works to various pissants
asciilifeform: but in practice, there is iron resistance
mircea_popescu: <decimation> I feel the compulsion to collect them in case 1984 << you are doing a good thing.
decimation: as in, no one recognizes the 'property rights' of the pissants?
asciilifeform: ru folks (the thinking kind) collect warez as a matter of principle.
asciilifeform: and of pragmatic. never know when might need to make a trade.
undata: why did p2p seem to stall at bittorrent?
undata: I guess tribler's working on a tor fork
decimation: what's wrong with bittorent?
undata: decimation: what would be wrong with some anonymity in the mix?
decimation: well, it wasn't an design goal
asciilifeform: 'property rights' of the pissants << gotta understand the inevitable reaction when people move a property boundary. and especially when they move it, as if they owned the universe, straight through your brain, wishing to cut off half
undata: decimation: that's what's wrong with bittorrent.
mircea_popescu: undata listen, you're misdesigning here. the "privacy" angle is not to be solved at the tool level.
decimation: asciilifeform: yeah sounds legit
mircea_popescu: what the fuck would awk be if someone tried to rewrite it to include privacy ?
mircea_popescu: you want privacy, get a vm.
mircea_popescu: you want private use of a hammer, wear gloves.
mircea_popescu: don't try to buy a special, "private" hammer.
decimation: I'm not really sure how one could 'design privacy' while simultaneously expecting to correspond with whoever comes down the street
undata googles bitcoin seedbox
undata: mircea_popescu: still I can run tor *here*
mircea_popescu: sure, you can do whatever you please.
decimation: asciilifeform: but the situation is even worse in the us, why do the 'thinking folk' seem to accept it as some kind of bedrock of civilization?
asciilifeform: decimation: anyone ask them? (do you remember being asked? i don't)
decimation: heh good point
undata: mircea_popescu: an anonymous p2p network would permanently solve the copyright thing; those guys can always go after the seedbox hosts
decimation: it's a weird quirk of their particular abbatoir
undata: I've used i2p for various things
undata: good but utterly slow
assbot: Logged on 28-07-2014 19:19:31; asciilifeform: 'Learn not to participate - to the point of utter impossibility of meeting the enemy 'half-way' - and you will see that inside there lay a very useful mindfuck: in learning to 'nonparticipate,' in fact you drew out your *will* from its scabbard - to which it seemed so securely riveted by your upbringing. The appearance of *your will* changes everything and forever. With your own will slipped into your
mircea_popescu: undata it wouldn't do anything. you're basically saying, "carbon credits will permanently solve the eco whining". no, it provably won't.
undata: no, I'm not.
undata: right now there is a nonzero risk (in the US) that you get outed by your ISP and end up paying loads
undata: why would dropping that risk to negligible be doing nothing?
mircea_popescu: somewhere your thinking's broken but i don't readily spot where. wtf are you on about, "dropping that risk to nigligible" ?
mircea_popescu: you ARE running forbidden app x, right ?
mircea_popescu: how did it become the case in us of fuckyou that you can be fined for using the internet ?
undata: the laws aren't against the app
undata: they're against pulling down copyrighted material
mircea_popescu: cause the same fucking process can work again
asciilifeform: the copyrasty problem will find its 'final solution' in a rather elegant, if traumatic, way. the various american 'industries' that form the brain & body of copyrasty (film, music, dead tree publishing) will be done in by the banal fact of their customers having nothing to spend.
asciilifeform: this is also known as 'every tumour stops growing eventually.'
undata: I fail to see the problem with helping that death along.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that's not my perspective, though we don't disagree. in my view of the matter, they will be done in by the fact that the intersection of thinking people and copyright observers will become the null set.
asciilifeform: it's already a mostly null set
mircea_popescu: undata well there's no problem with helping it along, but your proposed measures have the opposite effect ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that being the only reason it still survives as a going concern.
undata: mircea_popescu: by causing a "no p2p app x" law?
undata: it'd never happen
mircea_popescu: undata no. by acting as if the usg actually has some sort of power or importance.
undata: any more than they can ban tor
mircea_popescu: see the scabbard quote above.
mircea_popescu: you have any idea how many of these "it'll never happen"s i heard ?
undata: the us govt *made* tor
mircea_popescu: here's a good one : it'll never happen that they'll send people to prison for fixing software.
decimation: mircea_popescu: I'm sure there are bureaucrats that would love to do exactly that
undata: this assumes they can do anything
mircea_popescu: decimation no, it's happened already.
mircea_popescu: see the famous case of that neonazi kid whatever his name is
undata: they haven't gotten anything done in 20 years
mircea_popescu: undata they've not gotten anything intelligent done in 20 years. plenty of idiocy got done tho.
undata: I think it would be fantastic to have an appified (derped) way of downloading game of thrones
mircea_popescu: well so make it, i guess.
undata: if only to kill the revenue of game of thrones-ing
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally : you know what "solid earner" died the exact death you describe ? buffett's "discount stamps"
mircea_popescu: exactly that way : its customers ended up on food stamps :D
asciilifeform: thar we go.
asciilifeform: in the near term - usa is stage for 'demolition derby' of everything and anything - good, bad - which depends on the typical man on the street having spending money.
mircea_popescu: undata anyway, you're equivocating two things here. on one hand, you'll find exactly zero support here for the proposition that someone should make money off the writings of dead authors ; on the other hand, you'll find exactly zero support here for the theory that you should be able to play any computer game you wish without having to pay the company that made it anything.
mircea_popescu: this equivocation would be the other, smaller reason copyrights still survive.
undata: mircea_popescu: nothing stops anyone from mirroring your blog for free
undata: yet you're getting paid
mircea_popescu: actually, yes, it does.
mircea_popescu: cause he can't get the articles.
undata: he could pay once, then host it himself
mircea_popescu: and get sued.
undata: my point is there's always a way, and that fact doesn't necessarily stop good content
mircea_popescu: but your point doesn't work, seeing how... there isn't a way.
undata: there are shit-fountains in the us I'd love to help wreck.
asciilifeform: how many mircea_popescu ends up suing every week ?
mircea_popescu: you just need better methods.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that didn't parse.
asciilifeform: how often somebody opens unauthorized mirror
undata: well, something which does more damage to the fountain the more people want the shit seems fun
undata: maybe it's not the above, but something
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it's never happened, cuz why would somebody.
asciilifeform: why would some nitwit ddos the #b-a log.
asciilifeform: because satan moves him? idk
mircea_popescu: undata http://trilema.com/copyright-notice/ << you ever seen that btw ?
assbot: Copyright Notice pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah well, and then legal rape.
mircea_popescu: !s trademark
assbot: Logged on 03-10-2014 15:52:13; mircea_popescu: make thing infringing on mp's trademark. have mp notice you in google. mp files complaint with fb, yest. page suspended, today.
asciilifeform: lol - what was the trademark?
undata: I am certain that page is not why people are paying you for your content.
undata: that said, I have no plans to mirror trilema
mircea_popescu: for sure not.
mircea_popescu: and i mostly don't give a shit, either.
mircea_popescu: but your arguments don't work like you want them to nevertheless.
decimation: If there's a bridge that you voted against and the gov't built anyway, would you use it?
mircea_popescu is interested by this suddenly unexpected turn.
asciilifeform: decimation: i use it. (literally.)
mircea_popescu: decimation what if i say "no" ?
kakobrekla: this is a rehash of dignity of downed pilots
asciilifeform: 'spread yer legs & think of england'
decimation: it's not really a logic puzzle
undata: decimation: I do not vote.
mircea_popescu: decimation well you had something in mind with it ?
undata: except with money
asciilifeform: downed pilots with dignity - have poor life expectancy.
decimation: I would use the bridge, for simple pragmatic reasons
mircea_popescu: but how does it relate ?
mircea_popescu: !up Mikayla
decimation: copyright enforcement is the unwanted bridge
mircea_popescu: and suppose i have a toilet in my house that instead of the usual seat has a penis shaped stick to sit on ?
decimation: that would make it difficult to take a shit
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu stole all my inventions straight from me head!!
mircea_popescu: i suppose that's the ultimate girl toilet, what is all this "lift the seat, lower the seat" bs.
mircea_popescu: just impale yourself and that's that.
undata: in my case, I will never file a software patent.
undata: that bridge can fuck itself
asciilifeform: i've been advocating the stakeoilet for years!
mircea_popescu: ;;google loper-os.org stakeoilet
gribble: No matches found.
asciilifeform: in-joke. till now
mircea_popescu: bwahahh I GOT THE COPYRIGHT BITCH
asciilifeform: till mr. lift'em-straightouta'me'head got to it, ha.
decimation: he's going to use the power of the state to compel you
mircea_popescu: !s compiles you
asciilifeform: http://cluborlov.blogspot.com/2008/09/survival-of-nicest.html << obligatory re: downed pilots & their dignity.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Survival of the Nicest?
undata: owning information is not the only option here
assbot: Logged on 07-10-2014 06:20:35; mircea_popescu: the power of jesus compiles you!
asciilifeform: specifically the quite.
undata: and needing to ignores that many will just pay people they want to support
mircea_popescu: !up Mikayla
undata: <well worn argument that bands will still make money if there are mp3s>
kakobrekla: penis shaped stick toilet - and i thought i was fucked.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, does pet ever go to spa ?
mircea_popescu: actually, better q, do they even have spas where you live.
asciilifeform: if it's the place with the peculiar chair fixtures, yes
decimation: I've been told that many 'massage parlors' in maryland are in fact brothels
undata: better stated, the only owned information is a secret
asciilifeform: i was informed the function is called 'happy-ending' here
asciilifeform: and one can ask for it by code name
mircea_popescu: decimation "you've been told" ?
decimation haven't availed myself of their services
mircea_popescu: why not ?
decimation: the power of jesus compels me.
mircea_popescu: listen, if smart people don't fuck whores, the poor girls are left with a very poor impression of maledom
mircea_popescu: it's the duty of any gentleman to fuck a whore at least yearly.
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kakobrekla not a gentleman.
mircea_popescu: well, gives you something to aspire to.
mircea_popescu: (gentleman scholar might also use fingers)
asciilifeform waits to get shot down over island of whores
mircea_popescu: you'd make them a cardano ?
asciilifeform: would try.
asciilifeform: out of local materials.
decimation: once in my youth I intercepted a business deal between a hooker and a john using a scanner in the portable-phone frequency range
mircea_popescu: "and this, my dear girls, is how you make a cnc mill out of menstrual blood"
asciilifeform: can't be too much harder than - here.
asciilifeform can't help but remember beloved childhood book, 'mysterious island'
mircea_popescu: decimation seriously, it's unsanitary, this. take the world back, man!
mircea_popescu: allllll of it.
decimation: I suspected that she resided in the neighboring trailer park
mircea_popescu: im sure there must be some nice ones too, somewhere.
undata: not in maryland
decimation: I'm sure there are high-class hookers somewhere in wash dc, but I suspect they also charge $$$
mircea_popescu: so what, you'd rather pay mortgage ?
mircea_popescu: incidentally, anyone know the etymology of that term ?
decimation: yeah, you see, that's 'moral'
decimation: 'on the pain of death'
mircea_popescu: cause it quite literally says, "tribute to death"
asciilifeform: in usa, whore market, as i understand, has very tight coupling between product grade and price.
decimation: when one signs up for a 30 year mortgage it's pretty easy to imagine death coming first
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform actually, usa is one of the few places where the girls do pro bono work.
mircea_popescu: bezzle influence. they will charge a derpy usg bureaucrat 2k for an hour, and then take three dudes at some party
mircea_popescu: where they all got drunk on her money.
asciilifeform hasn't much to add, because to him whores may as well be those wonderful creatures that leave in the 'sea chimneys' at the bottom of the ocean.
undata: asciilifeform: man don't put that on your dick...
mircea_popescu: whores in poorer countries are much more careful to charge all entrants.
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decimation: re:mortgages << walking around london I was surprised to learn that this is less common, much of london is owned by the crown directly
decimation: so instead property is leased 1000 year terms
asciilifeform: not entirely unlike u.s. 'fee simple.'
decimation: right, I think it would be more honest for us 'fee simple' to convert to 'crown leases'
asciilifeform: go try not paying the crown lease, err, property tax, in usa
decimation: at least then you would be signing a contract rather than just paying thieves
mircea_popescu: entirely nominalistic argument anyway
mircea_popescu: decimation unless you both have equal armies, neither of you is signing any contracts.
decimation: ghengis kahn wouldn't bother with a contract either
asciilifeform: call it gang rape, or 'rejuvenative cock therapy', same concept
mircea_popescu: in romanian, gang means, "underpass". and for a while i thought that's what it meant, rape occuring in such a place
mircea_popescu: only after a while it occurred to me that wait a second, not like these people could know that ?! wtf ?!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider, e.g., Notzucht.
mircea_popescu: then i discovered that no, the overpass is not material.
asciilifeform: very interesting etymology, the germans.
decimation: that's pretty much the same as german
mircea_popescu: "Sexualisierte Gewalt"
mircea_popescu: notice the -ierte. sexualised.
asciilifeform: who hasn't seen a sign, marked, 'notausgang' - emergency exit
decimation: romanian must have borrowed it, or vice versa
mircea_popescu: decimation pretty sure romanian stole it.
asciilifeform: 'emergency breeding'
mircea_popescu: speaking of romanians raping words (which is what they do) : patent in romanian means a type of pliers.
decimation: gang (n.) from Old English gang "a going, journey, way, passage," and Old Norse gangr "a group of men, a set," both from Proto-Germanic *gangaz (cognates: Old Saxon, Old Frisian, Danish, Dutch, Old High German, German gang, Old Norse gangr, Gothic gagg "act of going"), from PIE root *ghengh- "to step" (cognates: Sanskrit jangha "shank," Avestan zanga- "ankle," Lithuanian zengiu "I stride"). Thus not considered to be related to go.
asciilifeform: gang aft a'gley.
decimation: linguistics is really interesting stuff
decimation: it boggles my mind that german is related to sanskrit
decimation: I guess it's my built-in 'present bias'
asciilifeform: and man, to mold, doesn't boggle ?
decimation: but everything comes from something
mircea_popescu: all happened before the 1900 middle ages ? :)
decimation: hehe yeah
mircea_popescu: !s luxury
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9608 @ 0.00074718 = 7.1789 BTC [-] {2}
decimation: lol luxury meant 'sexual intercourse' in the 1300's
mircea_popescu: it still does, apparently.
assbot: Notes on Increasing the Maximum Bitcoin Block Size (or, "Why it ain't happenin'")
ben_vulpes: interested to know where i went off the rails with that one
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes will read.
ben_vulpes: Беркем аль Атоми << i don't even know how to find out more about this short of...learning to read russian.
decimation: yeah me too
ben_vulpes: daw you boys are too sweet
ben_vulpes: <undata> I think it would be fantastic to have an appified (derped) way of downloading game of thrones << web browser torrent plugins exist
ben_vulpes: expend the set of people doing the thing and the copyfascists won't be able to keep up
ben_vulpes: <asciilifeform> who hasn't seen a sign, marked, 'notausgang' - emergency exit << read as "not a us gang"
ben_vulpes: blinked, remembered childhood german lessons
ben_vulpes: ah ha
ben_vulpes: today i discovered that calibre ships with heuristic processing disabled
ben_vulpes: thought it was just shitty
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10850 @ 0.00074796 = 8.1154 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8402 @ 0.00075477 = 6.3416 BTC [+]
assbot: Old texts on traditional marriage ; vampirism and gayety. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: i am quite proud of this one.
ben_vulpes: oh god a giant trilema linking to other giant trilemas
mircea_popescu: yeah, it's intended as a two week mindfuck.
ben_vulpes: your parents worked less than you and enjoyed their life more << i was just having this conversation with my father
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes the one thing that jumps at me is that you only got half the 32mb issue.
ben_vulpes: "when i was your age, i got to work at 8, got off at 5, drank a beer, got on the train, went home and was at home. you poor fool answer emails lo unto 10pm"
ben_vulpes: do enlighten me
mircea_popescu: the fact is that it sometimes DOES create 100mn+ responses.
ben_vulpes: wait hm?
mircea_popescu: and nobody even fucking knows exactly when and wherefore all the damned time.
ben_vulpes: 100mn?
mircea_popescu: the actual formalisation is, "the largest schlong I can take is ten inches, except 8 and 9 inches hurt and i sometimes take two feet"
ben_vulpes: well this'd be the difference between a spec and an implementation, non?
mircea_popescu: charitably.
mircea_popescu: it could also be the difference between coding and idiocy
ben_vulpes: so sometimes the cock is 32mb long, but does the reference implementation accept those messages?
ben_vulpes: ah sometimes probably
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: shippments
mircea_popescu: lol a captain on his shipp
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6186 @ 0.0007622 = 4.715 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: !s sha256
mircea_popescu: !up Mikayla
mircea_popescu: ;;google first steps bitcoin-assets
gribble: start [bitcoin assets wiki]: <http://wiki.bitcoin-assets.com/>; #bitcoin-assets log: <http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/>; Why the IRS Is Taxing Bitcoins as an Asset - The Motley Fool: <http://www.fool.com/investing/general/2014/03/26/why-the-irs-is-taxing-bitcoins-as-an-asset.aspx>
mircea_popescu: there, first link.
mircea_popescu: ;;ident Mikayla
gribble: Nick 'Mikayla', with hostmask 'Mikayla!~W@105.184.61.177', is not identified.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10640 @ 0.00075996 = 8.086 BTC [-] {3}
Mikayla: ;;gpg info Mikayla
gribble: No such user registered.
assbot: Mircea Popescu Says: Your comment is awaiting moderation. The left is going - Pastebin.com
assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » Chaos Patch (#33)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00076138 = 3.6927 BTC [+]
ben_vulpes: holy linkhole batman
ben_vulpes: 2 links in; found mr mold
fluffypony: looks like it's been moderately approved
mircea_popescu: ow shit, i skimmed and misrepresented the author's bias.
mircea_popescu: he's with the trp troop, not with the perpetually frienzdoned sjw troop, is he.
mircea_popescu: "Examining difference in fertility, it is clear that fertility is primarily controlled by female status relative to their husbands. The more women are subordinated, the higher the fertility. "
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu? skimming? will wonders never cease.
mircea_popescu: the shit he links, too...
mircea_popescu: "examining unrelated events, it is clear that correlation causes causation!"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i mostly skim.
ben_vulpes: although hey popehat that's a grand resource
mircea_popescu: that i somehow sitll understand anything is nothing short of miraculous.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8500 @ 0.00075886 = 6.4503 BTC [-] {3}
mircea_popescu: "Women want to have sex with the highest status men available (as women perceive male status, which is similar to the way a small evil child raised by cannibal head hunters perceives status) and be supported by men."
mircea_popescu: fuck, seriously ?!
mircea_popescu: "Both sides of the war are better off if a cooperate/cooperate equilibrium is coercively imposed." oooo....rly ?!
mircea_popescu: check it out lol! bwahh
mircea_popescu: " If men own women, except that they may not resell them, cruelly mistreat them, rent them out, abandon them, nor even allow them to rent themselves out, then both men and women know who their children are and live with their children. The converse system, women owning men, would not work, because men would not know who their children were, would be denied the opportunity to invest in their children, and would theref
mircea_popescu: ore revolt."
mircea_popescu: ok, this has been worthwhile lmao.
assbot: Outside in - Involvements with reality » Blog Archive » The Cult of Gnon
mircea_popescu: you corrupt me
mircea_popescu: "“Nature or Nature’s God” is an expression of special excellence, extracted (with subtle modification) from America’s Declaration of Independence."
mircea_popescu: myeah ok.
mircea_popescu: The World Started A Day Before I Was Born (tm)
bounce: re NO_SIGPIPE, the POSIX way appears to be fcntl(O_NONBLOCK)
mircea_popescu fears fcntl is a bit bondogley
ben_vulpes: aw shit i'm out of wine
mircea_popescu: better than the alternative!
ben_vulpes: which'd be too much wine?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9539 @ 0.00075968 = 7.2466 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: no, wine about being out of shit ?
assbot: Vexual +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
ben_vulpes: !up Vexual
Vexual: level 2?
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot Vexual
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user Vexual: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=Vexual | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Vexual | Rated since: never
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot muxne
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Vexual!~amnesia@gateway/tor-sasl/vexual. CAUTION: irc nick differs from otc registered nick. Trust relationship from user assbot to user muxne: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=muxne | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=muxne | Rated since: Sun Jun 22 00:11:14 2014
mircea_popescu: o.O you lost your citizenship vex ?
ben_vulpes: hahaha
Vexual: one day i don't read the logs
ben_vulpes: ;;rate muxne 1
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user muxne has been recorded.
ben_vulpes: you're welcome kakobrekla
Vexual: I knew it was a little naughty, I wasn't expecting that
ben_vulpes: ;;gettrust assbot ninjashogun
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user ninjashogun: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -4 via 4 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=ninjashogun | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=ninjashogun | Rated since: Thu Jun 26 19:05:58 2014
Vexual: good day gents, how goes it?
ben_vulpes: ;;later tell dmzpkts tell me about ninjashogun's bet failure someday
gribble: The operation succeeded.
Vexual: ;;rate kakobreka 1 straightshooter
gribble: Error: You do not meet qualifications for entering ratings.
Vexual: ;;seen pankakke
gribble: I have not seen pankakke.
Vexual: do I need a rating to rate?
Vexual: this is quite more like real life than i realised
Vexual: ;;rate muxne 1 king of common misconceptions
gribble: Error: You do not meet qualifications for entering ratings.
Vexual: ;;rate 1 ben_vuples does web better than you and other stuff too
gribble: Error: 'ben_vuples' is not a valid integer.
thestringpuller: !up Vexual
Vexual: living up to your nick
Vexual: ;;gettrust thestringpuller
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net. Trust relationship from user muXne to user thestringpuller: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=muXne&dest=thestringpuller | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=thestringpuller | Rated since: Mon Oct 15 18:46:37 2012
thestringpuller: !s deturdification
Vexual: nateable
Vexual: noteable
Vexual: you've lerned me some about wot
Vexual: if i've really losy my citizenship, i might just describe gravity on the way out
Vexual: it's alrgely unknown why two large bodies attract one another
Vexual: and the science is stuck in the mud, such forces require bigger comparisins
Vexual: smaller versions also being immesurable..
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8618 @ 0.00075803 = 6.5327 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: JWT Intelligence Discuss Bitcoin In Latest Report | Qntra.net
cazalla: good for a laugh
Adlai: cazalla: so in the last bullet point there, the patrons are paying through promoting the establishment in social media?
Adlai: that's not payment, that's barter :P
cazalla: given the choice.. fkn millenials i swear
Adlai: reminds me of a story where a class (probably economics, or MBAs) had to figure out how to best monetize $100 (roughly) over the course of a weekend
Adlai: some groups opened up a car wash, some groups resold stuff from yard sales, etc
cazalla: who did best
Adlai: the group that used their presentation chance the next week to advertise a local management consulting firm
Adlai: they realized that their audience in front of a few hundred students was much more valuable than their labor over a weekend
Adlai: current search engines are terrible for looking up this kind of story
Adlai remembers the general details but nothing precise
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11000 @ 0.00076065 = 8.3672 BTC [+] {2}
Adlai: who gave MOPE roofies
Adlai: bitcoin drops, mpex pops
Adlai: !up Vexual
Vexual: ty
Adlai: np, now get in wot
Vexual: i am, just not well absorbed
Vexual: I am only one man
Vexual: ;;getrust Adlai
gribble: Error: "getrust" is not a valid command.
Adlai: Fe₂O₃
Vexual: that makes me wanna play a song, you know this
Adlai: oh so it's a youtube battle now? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7QrLgEgvHXo
assbot: Cosmosis - Spanish Gypsy - YouTube
Vexual: mu back foot just turned into a claw
assbot: Engelbart's Violin (2012) | Hacker News
HeySteve: ;;gettrust Mikayla
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Mikayla!~W@105.184.61.177. Trust relationship from user HeySteve to user Mikayla: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=HeySteve&dest=Mikayla | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=Mikayla | Rated since: never
HeySteve: ;;rate Mikayla 1 Mikayla, so hot right now. Mikayla.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Mikayla has been recorded.
assbot: Mark Karpeles Avoids Bitcoin, Launches Web Hosting Service
assbot: #bitcoin-assets deed registry
punkman: and the spam has begun: POST http://123.249.24.171/POST_ip_port.php => generated 797 bytes in 244 msecs (HTTP/1.0 404)
assbot: Mark Karpeles Avoids Bitcoin, Launches Web Hosting Service
kakobrekla: punkman but where is the bot ?
bounce: sheesh, that market report really provides zilch technology background. "biometrics for security" taken as valid on face value. of course, it's all about brand image, not technology. but if it's glaringly obvious that it doesn't work, it would be dishonest to tout it.
chetty: marketing always does that, toss out words with no real meaning
assbot: Law Lets I.R.S. Seize Accounts on Suspicion, No Crime Required
jurov: twas just extensio if existing practice on property, no?
jurov: *extension of
assbot: Elon Musk: ‘With artificial intelligence we are summoning the demon.’ - The Washington Post
jurov: anyone looked to the eurisko stuff leaked by stan?
kakobrekla: i only glanced over a few files.
assbot: Its Not Just About Security; Identity is the Great Enabler | NSTIC NOTES
bounce: such propaganda
bounce: next we'll learn that the collective twits twittering on twittar causes AI
kakobrekla: >Increasingly scientists think there should be some regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don’t do something very foolish.
kakobrekla: like that ever helped with anything
bounce: it causes extra ruckus in the media when invariably something does go awry and some sort of rule or other turns out to have been flaunted
bounce: which then causes extra rules and more bureaucrats "overseeing" the rules and whatnot. it's sort of scar tissue. about as useful, at least as much of a pain.
kakobrekla: tor will patch your binaries.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i linked this here a day or so ago
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the author of the exe diddler was dumb enough to be spotted, too (why patch all exes, and not look for the download to be part of a realistic luser browser session? retarded)
kakobrekla: asciilifeform> kakobrekla: i linked this here a day or so ago < ah, i guess i have achieved absolute redundancy.
asciilifeform: re: elon musk: two thing happening. a fella named yudkowsky has been pushing for 'regulate ai, or it will destroy us all!' line for a little short of a decade now. with him, of course, to be the fuhrer. (see lenat discussion. he considers anyone trying to resurrect lenat's work, assuming it wasn't fraudulent - we don't actually know this - to be a dangerous criminal worthy of extermination.)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14530 @ 0.00075823 = 11.0171 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: the other thing happening is that the lizardmen will never pass by a good excuse to 'regulate' (ban) powerful general-purpose computers.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9600 @ 0.00075754 = 7.2724 BTC [-] {2}
asciilifeform: !s lesswrong
asciilifeform: (the folks mentioned in thing number one)
asciilifeform: so far, there's been no reason for non-retarded people to care, because - we don't even have computers yet.
asciilifeform: let's imagine they get... interstellar shipping - banned.
asciilifeform: not a problem, until they knock on yer door, and say 'what's all this. you were looking into star drives, werentcha.'
asciilifeform: the thing that will actually happen:
asciilifeform: musk, mr y, some nameless folks from usg, will get together very soon and - if you're known to own a sufficiently large cluster of whateverthefuck - you gotta register...
asciilifeform: no prizes for guessing the -actual- motivation.
asciilifeform: 'you read it here phirst (tm)'
asciilifeform: re: ebama's biometric push:
assbot: Logged on 19-10-2014 18:39:40; asciilifeform: my hypothesis re: biometrics is, imho, the only one proposed so far that has explanatory power for the fact that idiotically lame, e.g., fingerprint readers, nevertheless are happily deployed en masse by usg
asciilifeform: (see entire thread)
jurov: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wpv-Qb-dB6g watched it whole, good improvement over that infernal qwerty stuff
assbot: Plover: Thought to Text at 240 WPM - YouTube
asciilifeform: incidentally, herr musk has given us, free of charge, an answer to mircea_popescu's puzzle - that of whether usg apparatus is an inevitably-harmless headless chicken.
asciilifeform: the answer is - that it likely is. but - certain of its subjects, close to the chicken, will snatch opportunities to bolt on a new, mechanical head.
jurov: iirc he did not say "inevitably-harmless"
asciilifeform: !s meta-nsa
jurov: more like "inevitably idiotically yapping around"
asciilifeform: well, meandering without intelligent purpose
asciilifeform: was, as i understand, the hypothesis
jurov: and quite a harm can arise from that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4100 @ 0.00076134 = 3.1215 BTC [+] {2}
asciilifeform: at any rate, btc mining is the 'fulda gap moment' for all of these folks. all the shitgnomery corrupting, subverting computing mechanisms of every kind - suddenly, it all had a purpose.
jurov: i can't parse that
asciilifeform: !s fulda
jurov: actually as long as they focus on the mining tech race, it's fine
asciilifeform: but they won't.
asciilifeform: it is far cheaper and easier to steal existing capacity.
asciilifeform: or, at the very least, prevent the 'wrong people' from building.
jurov: but we're already there
jurov: and it's mostly ok
asciilifeform is not equipped with the evidence needed to agree (or not) with 'it's mostly ok'
jurov: what i wanted to say, mining race isn't the most dangerous avenue of attack
jurov: and apple-like walled garden regulation of whole computing industry is quite a different thing
jurov: something like that may pass after well done scare of "child raping AI" but I don't see how it can be enforced in practice
assbot: ninjashogun +v failed; L1: 0, L2: -4
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4903 @ 0.00076007 = 3.7266 BTC [-]
punkman: .status
punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle n/a ago
punkman: .balance
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01658 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 150 more bundles.
assbot: dpaste: 0ASFADM
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
ben_vulpes: ;;gpginfo punkman
gribble: Error: "gpginfo" is not a valid command.
ben_vulpes: ;;ident punkman
gribble: Nick 'punkman', with hostmask 'punkman!~punkman@unaffiliated/punkman', is identified as user 'punkman', with GPG key id 33588BE08B232B13, key fingerprint F28E0095843B91CB22E7D65533588BE08B232B13, and bitcoin address None
punkman: .status
punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 6 minutes and 54 seconds ago | 1 unconfirmed bundle
assbot: Deed BXZKQx2i | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
punkman: let's see for how long
assbot: irc_bots [bitcoin assets wiki]
kakobrekla: list the commands..
punkman: yeah will do
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64 | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/149LB8VY
assbot: Bundle 149LB8VY | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
punkman: super!
ben_vulpes: 'download full bundle' link is broken
punkman: ben_vulpes: yeah will be fixed
Naphex: /window move 5
punkman: .balance
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01647 BTC (0.0 unconfirmed), enough for 149 more bundles.
punkman: so if someone wants to do some independent verification, hash "BXZKQx2iLYyRpUCmdWCqJBvgUdvqWH4EE8TV1ns3pxLZ" with sha256, convert to big int, make Bitcoin private key with big int, verify the key's address is 149LB8VYaT1BdMLyQUL92Kj6KrJfNwcp64.
jurov: ^ add to wiki?
asciilifeform: jurov: perhaps i should not have said 'mining' specifically. idea here is that once the buggers give up trying to destroy bitcoin, they will transition to employing any and all tools at their disposal - for robbery.
asciilifeform: well, theft, and robbery.
punkman: jurov: will make a standalone verifier for deeds
kakobrekla: >Apple-1 Sells for World Record $905,000 USD at Bonhams
asciilifeform: who was it who had the essay re: how rich folks use auctionable rarities as a kind of 'bitcoin' but with higher overhead costs ?
jurov: certain folks use camels but that's prolly not what you meant :)
asciilifeform: i just love how the krugman shitgnomes prattle on about the need for physical 'use-value' in currencies and then go on to bid on apple-1 pcbs and jackson pollack paintings
TheNewDeal: and the seekretly love the usian dollar
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: how many of them keep their wealth in plain usd ?
asciilifeform: that's for the plebes, bred to be eaten
TheNewDeal: was going to say if theyre krugmanites, they have no wealth to speak of
asciilifeform: these folks have, like any elite, vast personal wealth (also an ocean of bezzle, yes)
TheNewDeal: bunch of economics majors that just graduates from the university
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15050 @ 0.00075956 = 11.4314 BTC [-] {3}
undata: nonzero chance that lady will be president someday
asciilifeform: i did specify that the pedigreed canvases and pcbs signed by steve jobs are analogous to bitcoin, rather than, say, gold - because, on account of gold being to some degree accessible to plebes, elaborate measures are taken to depress its price - no such equivalent for the picassos.
asciilifeform: undata: 'clitler' is the next annointed fuhrer. afaik this has been settled.
undata: haaa
TheNewDeal: it is quite obvious
bounce: shitty website unless you have a shiny iTablet
undata: I was going to say wannabe FDR in a skirt, but I like 'clitler'
bounce: is she trying to get out of the top dog position?
asciilifeform: if theyre krugmanites, they have no wealth to speak of << don't conflate the priests and their flock
asciilifeform: threadbare flock, butterball priests, as often is the case
asciilifeform: re: picassos as scrip for fraction of total planetary wealth: see also ancient thread, http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=06-04-2014#607216
assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 06:13:12; mircea_popescu: money can be sustenance or control.
asciilifeform: i dare to hypothesise an inevitable, 'zoological' enmity between folks who own, e.g., picasso canvas, (and understand why they own it!) - and bitcoin.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6844 @ 0.0007591 = 5.1953 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4108 @ 0.00075803 = 3.114 BTC [-]
jurov: how do they calculate the fraction?
asciilifeform: jurov: auction?
asciilifeform: jurov: afaik, that junk is only ever sold if owner died or 'needs the money'
jurov ponders
assbot: Logged on 21-10-2014 00:38:07; *: asciilifeform addresses the worms who people his future grave 'eh boys, you'll be lighting benjies with lit benjies'
asciilifeform: tell-tale smell of 'planetary allocation chit' - market worth of $item in usd (or whatever sane alternative, barrels of cement) never goes down.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: recall the 'buried treasure' discussion?
kakobrekla: which one? :)
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2013 00:21:46; asciilifeform: buried goodies tend to result from folks who got clobbered before they could dig them up.
asciilifeform: possibly elsewhere.
assbot: Logged on 10-12-2013 00:23:47; asciilifeform: there'll be tales of 'buried' btc one day.
kakobrekla: plenty of those already.
asciilifeform: mr. scrapyard, etc
kakobrekla: i suspekt even part of satoshis btc is buried
kakobrekla: you think his windows machine didnt crash? :)
TheNewDeal: Is this just an ongoing joke, or somewhat serious speculation?
asciilifeform does not believe 'satoshi' was actually retarded
asciilifeform: simulated retardation - yes
asciilifeform: actual - doubtful
TheNewDeal: thank god... err satoshi
asciilifeform: at any rate, buried != destroyed
undata: or the guy was just more into math than coding
kakobrekla: ill just pretend to pretend to be stupid, it will keep me safe.
undata: pretty ungrateful to call the guy retarded.
bounce: simulated retardation for your... what?
TheNewDeal: what about the speculation of it being more than one person? Is that not as accepted?
asciilifeform: bourbaki hypothesis?
kakobrekla: is there a benefit to masking a team with a person?
asciilifeform: ;;google bourbaki
gribble: Nicolas Bourbaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nicolas_Bourbaki>; Charles-Denis Bourbaki - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles-Denis_Bourbaki>; Bourbaki: A Secret Society of Mathematicians: Maurice Mashaal ...: <http://www.amazon.com/Bourbaki-A-Secret-Society-Mathematicians/dp/0821839675>
asciilifeform: ask them.
kakobrekla: so instead of Bourbaki we have also Courbaki and Dourbaki...
kakobrekla: who gives a shit?
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kakobrekla: speaking of old and expensive hw;
assbot: Industrial Gray SSK Space Saving Keyboard IBM Model M 1395682 Buckling Spring | eBay
assbot: Silver Storm Washable Medical Grade Keyboard - Dishwasher Safe & Antimicrobial (Black) (USB) | STK503 by Seal Shield - More Styles and Brands than Anywhere Else at WetKeys Washable and Waterproof Keyboards.
ben_vulpes: is -regtest not avail in 0.5.3?
ben_vulpes: first showed up on wiki in march 2014
undata: b-b-b-backport breaker
ben_vulpes: ick ick ick ick ick
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asciilifeform: kakobrekla: dafuq would anyone want a castrato 'model m' for
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: numpad forever.
asciilifeform: punkman: all rubber membrane keyboards (virtually anything you'll find in a store today) are washable.
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: you weren't kidding about "glue and glass"
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: you think we're the first to try ripping the graffiti off ?
ben_vulpes: never imagined such.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: if it were trivial, it would've been done by a dilettante and result posted publicly.
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as it is, i venture to guess that it's been done, so far, only by folks who live and die by the result, and aren't terribly eager to share live 'weaponized' code (people such as mircea)
asciilifeform: i'll guess that he started with a clean satoshi-era snapshot - brought up to compatibility with extant network
asciilifeform: http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=25-10-2014#894568 << beginning of that thread, for those who slept through it
assbot: Logged on 25-10-2014 03:54:31; asciilifeform: mod6: when shitgnomes glue their crap on, they use paste with broken glass.
ben_vulpes: i've a question about mining, for anyone who knows.
ben_vulpes: pool administrators determine block size, correct?
asciilifeform: (check out poettering et. al 's broken glass!)
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: in the sense that 'pool administrators' determine what bitcoin even -is-
asciilifeform: in the 'one hash/sec, one vote' sense
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: as mircea_popescu pointed out, miners have almost nothing to gain - and everything to lose - by posting weaponized code.
asciilifeform: one can only make educated guesses re: what's running.
asciilifeform: at some point, perhaps, a major mine operator will be pwned and his crown jewels throw to the mob. then we can study live code.
punkman: asciilifeform: tried dishwasher once, thing never worked again, but yeah I've heard it's usually ok
asciilifeform: punkman: electronics generally are to be washed with cold water, and then again with ethanol.
asciilifeform: punkman: if you own a vacuum chamber - dry therein.
punkman: I'd also like a mouse with less edges and crevices that accumulate gunk
asciilifeform: ;;google alcoholic mouse
gribble: Alcoholic mice live to drink - Futurity: <http://www.futurity.org/alcoholic-mice-live-to-drink/>; NIH develops improved mouse model of alcoholic liver disease: <http://www.nih.gov/news/health/feb2013/niaaa-28.htm>; Mouse models used for the study of alcoholic liver injury ... - Nature: <http://www.nature.com/nprot/journal/v8/n3/fig_tab/nprot.2013.032_T1.html>
punkman: did the foundation charter get written?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: ^
assbot: dpaste: 0A9NGC9
ben_vulpes: punkman: a draft did, yeah. look for mod6's dpaste
asciilifeform: ^ that was it
assbot: drunk mouse syndrome from FOLDOC
asciilifeform: punkman: a good amateur machining project might be a 'teflon' mouse.
asciilifeform: punkman: can easily use the internals of a regular mouse for the electronics.
mircea_popescu remebers bacl when regular mouse wasn't usable for optostuff
asciilifeform: back when optical mouse needed mirror mat?
mircea_popescu: nah, just had an anal bead at the center
mircea_popescu: which you had to clean
asciilifeform: i own such a mouse, came with a prehistoric 'sun pizza box.' they have very little in common with modern optical mice - simply a pair of photodiodes and matching emitters
asciilifeform: the mats (originally solid aluminum?) had reflective strips, a la road paint
asciilifeform: modern optical mouse is actually a b&w camera with some dsp magic glued on.
asciilifeform: there are even tricks to turn some extant models into a usable 'microscope.'
kakobrekla: <asciilifeform> kakobrekla: numpad forever. < i own both, use 'castrato'.
kakobrekla: anyway, personal preference. lets move on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: laugh, but in usa there are folks who mod that rifle to take belt.
punkman: punkbot, status
punkbot: punkman: No pending deeds | Last bundle 2 hours, 55 minutes, and 50 seconds ago
asciilifeform: i think BingoBoingo linked to one vendor recently.
assbot: - Pastebin.com
mircea_popescu: o hey so it's good to go punkman ?
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
punkman: mircea_popescu: aya, try it
punkman: *aye
mircea_popescu: splendid. anything it doesn't do of the spec ?
punkman: it hashes bundles in two stages, so you don't have to keep the full bundle around
mircea_popescu: how's that work ?
mircea_popescu: holy shit that Mikayla chick is in the wot now ?!
mircea_popescu: ;;rated mikayla
gribble: You have not yet rated user mikayla
punkman: deeds are sha256 hashed, hash is b58encoded, b58encoded hashes of all deeds are joined with ",", that string is sha256'd again and that's the private key
mircea_popescu: ;;rate mikayla 1 smart woman stuck in modest circumstances. help her get out.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mikayla has been recorded.
punkman: which gives us nice addresses for deeds, http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/deed/kLuzx7GDPg8uXRawa
assbot: Deed kLuzx7GD | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: punkman hm. this is actually an improvement on my spec. who ever thought such possible!
mircea_popescu: so now, you just gotta keep the bundle set of hashes, and if someone wants to prove his stuff was there, well, bring something that hashes to the hash ?
assbot: Bundle 13VBRJSt | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
punkman: mircea_popescu: yep
asciilifeform somehow thought that original spec called for precisely this
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
mircea_popescu: a dozen or so hashes to choose from don't really give any advantage
mircea_popescu: yeah, this is an improvement.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform nah original spec called for keeping all the deeds, as a sort of primitive distributed backup
asciilifeform: aha hm.
punkman: anyone wants to keep a mirror, I'll make the thing push bundles to you
punkman: or maybe I just make an rss feed, possibly filtered by keyid
mircea_popescu: punkman if you want a dyi mirror, i can give you a cpanel ?
mircea_popescu: rss feed excellent idea.
mircea_popescu: so mod6 ben_vulpes, do we have a charter to go in there ?
punkman: Ragnar will run a mirror on somethin.deedbot.com
mircea_popescu: did kakobrekla delegate deeds.bitcoin-assets.com jetzt ?
mircea_popescu: ;;rated punkman
gribble: You rated user punkman on Fri May 16 09:11:15 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: Talent scout and secret agent..
punkman: can I still be secret agent
mircea_popescu: ;;rate punkman 2 improved on my spec!
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user punkman has changed from 1 to 2.
kakobrekla: <mircea_popescu> did kakobrekla delegate deeds.bitcoin-assets.com jetzt ? < it works, no?
mircea_popescu: punkman nah, your cover \was blown. maybe after the operation ?
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla lovely!
punkman: punkbot, balance
punkbot: punkman: Balance at 1LAwrWMbPLLSpt7nkD5Jv1Yf4cwPhD98ny is 0.01647 BTC (-0.00011 unconfirmed), enough for 149 more bundles.
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/1ZHZR0K.txt )
mircea_popescu: you two are fucking cute talking to each other :D
kakobrekla: you know, deed 2.
asciilifeform: jurov: consider integrating your turdatron with this bot ?
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 13VBRJStiTVkJYUrvAdCvFdvFhVecRkb1e | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/13VBRJSt
assbot: Bundle 13VBRJSt | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
jurov: asciilifeform: how? generate a deed for every patch?
mircea_popescu: jurov use it directly to post as a mail list ?
mircea_popescu: punkman how hard would it be to make it next comments ?
jurov: i'd prefer to get real email
mircea_popescu: i wonder how this'd be best approached.
jurov: and i don't see a value iin redoing the browsable archives that mailman generates
ben_vulpes: no sense tangling things
jurov: you want to set in stone only the patches themselves, no?
mircea_popescu: yea maybe the best approach here is staying home
ben_vulpes: should anyone *want* to endeedify their patch, they're welcome to.
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asciilifeform: i'd say it would be wise to have the 'who/what' cemented in some form.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, if the jurovman only accepts inbound from lordsheep list...
mircea_popescu: it is cemented in a pretty good form
jurov: i think the request was to prevent later posting of modified (and newly signed) patches by someone
mircea_popescu: so then who/what/when more like ?
jurov: autoendeedify can be done in v2 turdatron
asciilifeform: when << yes.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud autoendeedify
gribble: Google found nothing.
mircea_popescu: google you know jack shit.
asciilifeform: as per kakobrekla's stern warning some weeks ago, a full-bore approach (complete with future gallows) for shitgnomes has the flipside of needing to ensure against ending up swinging there by mistake.
asciilifeform: 'shall be delivered.'
asciilifeform: at any rate, it seems like we're on the path to a 'patch-chain' - so no chance of authorship being permanently obscured, unless everyone somehow manages to lose his backup
jurov: btw if other people will sign a concrete patch, that prevents later diddling anyway
asciilifeform: the signed patches should provide watertight alibis for the innocent, and unquestionable smoking guns for the guilty - but a sufficiently 'pants and suspenders' approach should send a message to enemy against even trying.
jurov: mpd6 the statutes say nothing of treasurer and his remuneration
jurov: mod6 ^
asciilifeform: lol wait that actually happened?
jurov: if you unanimously decided there will be one, that is
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asciilifeform: who's 'you' ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes ?
mod6: yeah, i think it was decided that we'd put that in a seperate document.
jurov: and you forgot to add satoshi as a cochair</troll>
asciilifeform: who volunteered to contribute to the piggy ?
mod6: jurov: heheh
mod6: i wish
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform me, for one.
mircea_popescu: some other people iirc.
Duffer1: who volunteered to contribute to the piggy ? >> do i get nifty unique reddit flair for donating?
Duffer1: ^.^
asciilifeform: satoshi << hilarious gedankenexperiment! if a patch shows up signed with his key, is it to be considered?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 maybe you just get lapdances from b-a slut co.
mod6: so this is the latest version of the chater: http://dpaste.com/286VJ3N
assbot: dpaste: 286VJ3N
kakobrekla: dun worry ascii he is not in level 2
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i'd rate him and so there we go.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: just that, at this point, his key ought to be presumed as belonging to his executioner.
mod6: need to figure out if we should add in jurov or what's happening there. then we need a pub address.
mircea_popescu: mod6 what's ben_vulpes say ?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform at which exact point this presumption should be applied?
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: the 64kbtc question.
mircea_popescu: i personally dun see it.
asciilifeform: this would be a most peculiar time for mr. s to come back from the dead.
kakobrekla: anyway, this signature thing does not make one trust another blindly
kakobrekla: so check code.
asciilifeform: attribution is the magic word here, not trust.
mircea_popescu: undata: and they will spend it how? << don't be silly. every place with intenret has a bitcoin trader by now.
kakobrekla: you can only flag key, not person.
mircea_popescu: how do you think they have phones ? tshirts ?
mod6: <+mircea_popescu> mod6 what's ben_vulpes say ? << contract afterwards essentially, meanwhile waiting to hear back, just got back. trying to catch up
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla has it.
asciilifeform: 'business with keys, sex with people'
kakobrekla: maybe his executioner writes even better code, on linux.
asciilifeform: selinux.
kakobrekla: whatever
mircea_popescu: maybe all his executioner really wanted is to impress us.
mircea_popescu: it's been known to happen.
mircea_popescu: nubbins`: that's actually not bad, only ~425 pages << and suddenly, a feasible appears!
asciilifeform can't help but remember ancient, trashy soviet film about an inventor kid, who builds a magic time-machine thingie from a phone booth, and retrieves, inevitably - grandpa lenin - who smiles and approves of his life
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: but is it likely << somewhat likely yes.
mircea_popescu: the reason bullet to the head kills is it tumbles,
mircea_popescu: and the reason .38 is better bullet to head than 45 is same
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what'd you do with a time machine ?
asciilifeform: no tumbling at close range. shockwave - yes.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what'd you do with a time machine << lol, obviously, hop in
mircea_popescu: well yeah but i mean in terms of use.
mircea_popescu: i think i'd mostly document whore heraldry.
mircea_popescu: as in, check out the mothers of current pros, and their mothers, and so on.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu does not do half-measures!
mircea_popescu: who the fuck cares about lenin/random celeb. odds are they're overbought.
asciilifeform: not me.
asciilifeform: though i'd succumb to the temptation of popping in to visit mr. tesla, possibly
mircea_popescu does not deliberately check out males he doesn't know. busting into the life of a woman is one thing, but a dude...
jurov: It is altogether probable that its effects will conflict with all currently established human conventions. << +1 for flair
mircea_popescu: ;;give jurov flair
gribble gives jurov flair
asciilifeform: ;;google robert sheckley double indemnity
gribble: Robert Sheckley short stories bibliography - Wikipedia, the free ...: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Sheckley_short_stories_bibliography>; Notions: Unlimited - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Notions:_Unlimited>; The Art of Leo and Diane Dillon: Robert Sheckley: Double Indemnity: <http://leo-and-diane-dillon.blogspot.com/2013/07/robert- (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: google is ever more useful.
decimation: wait you wouldn't murder hitler pre-cog style?
asciilifeform wonders if their 'warez censor' is online now
decimation: or maybe the Jacobins?
asciilifeform: decimation: blow away jizzus while yer at it
decimation: no no he's my God
mircea_popescu: decimation nop.
mircea_popescu: i am not particularly against the past.
asciilifeform: god'll just spit out bullet & smile
mircea_popescu: maybe just kidnap magda ?
decimation: good point.
mircea_popescu: this could make a good comic premise, incidentally.
assbot: [] Robert Sheckley / - (94 .) [1999 ., PDF/EPUB/FB2/HTM/HTML/DOC/RTF/TXT, ENG] :: RuTracker.org (ex torrents.ru)
mircea_popescu: determined guy wants to end christianity in the present, builds time machine
mircea_popescu: tries EVERYTHING
mircea_popescu: but nothing works
decimation: I've always imagined what would happen if I were marooned in pre-history with a few choice textbooks
mircea_popescu: until one day he falls in love with the hooker, leaves with her. that does it.,
assbot: Wet Steel
jurov: my version would be - he encounters hooker on the other end, fucks her, gets snapped back immediately
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mircea_popescu: jurov immediately and repeatedly ?
jurov: mircea_popescu: heraldry of whores
mircea_popescu: what if her suction's stronger than machine ?
assbot: ( 2) () - YouTube
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mircea_popescu: Monthly Uniques 747 US 1.4K Global | This site reaches over 1,169 monthly people, of which 619 (53%) are in the U.S. <<< numbers, right ? why would they need to match.
jurov: ^ noticed jews have it pretty much down, no loyal wives are named on old testament?
jurov: *in
mircea_popescu: what about rachel
mod6: lol, the bull is chasing newton
asciilifeform: (ru film about derpy f-student kid who goes to the past to zap historical notables so he won't have to study them)
TheNewDeal: Is that the reverse of Bill and Ted with Keanu Reeves?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: master of anything, will have some fucked up organ. << master pimp.
asciilifeform: no prizes for which organ
mircea_popescu: prostate ?
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform can't really picture woman playing this game << dude you were in a different ukraine or what ? i have yet to meet a uk chick that doesn't drink.
asciilifeform: chess not drink.
mircea_popescu: anything's a good excuse.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: there's your mechanism, there. << gotta say the configurable with loopback approach is actually not bad
mircea_popescu: then people can be really secure built from the ground up by running a coupla vms on the same machine :D
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it's the primary reason i suggested zapping the toy os ports
mircea_popescu: hanbot: haha! where are the burning man btc gizmos anyway, i want a bitonkadonk << wait, i thought you... HAD ONE
assbot: Bundle 171BanmC | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: Not found: '/raw_bundles/17/171BanmCMde84Zr28Z4EsCzXw4nGZdfPaG.rbundle'
mircea_popescu: punkbot ^
hanbot: mircea_popescu i meant of the motorized variety
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mircea_popescu: punkman ^
asciilifeform configurable with loopback approach << regards the whole orchestra as eminently obvious to anyone who thinks hard, and that all this can be done by the folks here without breaking a sweat
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 171BanmCMde84Zr28Z4EsCzXw4nGZdfPaG | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/171BanmC
assbot: Bundle 171BanmC | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
assbot: Bitcoin Address 171BanmCMde84Zr28Z4EsCzXw4nGZdfPaG
ben_vulpes: i was just wondering about that!
ben_vulpes: where are the script kiddies draining the faucet...
kakobrekla: just wait for the google to parse logs
mircea_popescu: not user friendly.
kakobrekla: the logs? myea.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: ideally, we'd have a patch and a collection of detached sigs of the plain ascii of the patch <<< detached sigs are in fact a reimplementation of the old punch cards
mircea_popescu: god fucking help you if you drop a stack
asciilifeform: don't drop the stack.
asciilifeform: 'doctor, it hurts!'
mircea_popescu: the drop callback is in the stack api.
bounce: "here, have some pills"
mircea_popescu: you don't want me to drop it, do not put it in there.
asciilifeform: till we have a gpg that clearsigns without escape char mutilation - we got this.
mircea_popescu: how would it do that ?
asciilifeform: if i knew - we'd have it.
mircea_popescu: see ? god hates us.
mircea_popescu: where's your baby jesus now, decimation ?
asciilifeform: one possible method - toss the sig in the head of the file
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform how about fixed offset and padding ?
asciilifeform: applicable, in that scheme, to the remainder after the ------END...
mircea_popescu: clearsigned file, always 16kb long, after which the signed matter begins
mircea_popescu: you know, thinking about this, i think i actyally want pgp reimplemented. usgavin's speshul maths about how things improve make me realise that having a pure rsa based code rather than the current encode a symmetric chypher method is perhaps feasible.
mircea_popescu: add to that a fixed-offset clearsigned thing, all of a sudden there's good reason to implement
assbot: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgA - Pastebin.com
bounce: why do you want pure rsa?
mircea_popescu: bounce because i can.
bounce: that's the technology equivalent of "hold my beer and watch this"
Apocalyptic: by the way are SHA1 gpg-signed messages considered read ? I read somewhere one might rather use sha256 or higher, don't know if there's any merit to that claim
Apocalyptic: s/read/safe
asciilifeform: bunchafolks have old keys (incl. yours truly)
bounce: sha1 is on the way out (don't use for new stuff) but not dead yet (can keep using what you have)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform not even. more like this : http://pastebin.com/JUAH07uY
assbot: iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUPq+fAAoJELmCKKABq//Hw2sH/RHgCQ0d9urUfJXm4T2zjcog FHG4tSmH3WVLO9 - Pastebin.com
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: your otc key?
mircea_popescu: in that example, a 256 byte fixed sigspace.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: same idea
asciilifeform: fixed - bad, not everyone has same key length
mircea_popescu: file is defined as, 256bytes + "##### The following is signed above :"+message.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you pad .
mircea_popescu: hence original 16kb.
asciilifeform: also eol char variation derpery
mircea_popescu: no special chars honored. it's all armored.
asciilifeform: aye, but then why fixed byte strings
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic not considered read, but weak digest. good idea to upgrade.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to make it as independent as possible ?
mircea_popescu: much simpler machines to work it if it knows a straight offset
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that's not the issue. just about everyone is putting ascii through some raper that mutilates unprintables (www browsers, toy operating systems, etc)
asciilifeform: this wouldn't be a problem except if you have fixed fields
asciilifeform: which will frame-shift as the contents get procrusted by the idiot code
Apocalyptic: just noticed that all deeds processed by deadbot are SHA1-hashed so far
Apocalyptic: which is what gpg produces by default I guess
asciilifeform: see the 'broken glass' discussion earlier, also.
asciilifeform: most folks never try 'gnawing through the leather straps,' but once you do - you learn how thick they are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform obviously, since fixed length, it can go back to the end of the file.
mircea_popescu: proggy gets 65kb file, cuts 16k off its end recursively, spits out 1kb of text signed by 4 people
mircea_popescu: and again, armored. nothing but letters and digits in there. not even +/ etc.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: when idiot www crud or os (anywhere in the chain) starts gnawing at your line endings, or adding line noise, you blow the fixed frame
asciilifeform: winblow cr, lf line ending
asciilifeform: often gets auto-substituted in place of proper ones
assbot: Logged on 16-10-2014 14:00:51; mircea_popescu: btw, cazalla bingoboingo and everyone else in the same situation : if the blob gpg spits out when you sign contains a SHA1 you are using the older, and perhaps not all that secure digest algo. you should move on to sha512 either with --digest-algo SHA512 or else edit gpg.conf to insert personal-digest-preferences SHA512 SHA384 SHA256
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, I just found that line to fix the issue, but thank you
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform but you don't use cf, lf etc.
asciilifeform: me - no
mircea_popescu: no, the re-pgp imp,ementation
asciilifeform: but what of all those poor sods stuck on antideluvian ms-dos abominations
mircea_popescu: o, now we care ?
asciilifeform: only in so far as their crud has made its way into www browsers, etc
mircea_popescu: shit son. if only i knew about this, we could have made diff design changes on bitcoin core.
asciilifeform: idea is mutilation-resistance
mircea_popescu: idea is, "it only works if it works"
asciilifeform: because if not, why even bother with ascii, use gpg binary format
mircea_popescu: because i can't read that.
mircea_popescu: why even bother with a proper init, use systemd
asciilifeform likes to examine turds with naked eyes
mircea_popescu: anyway, thgis is more an aesthetic consideratyion. ditching symmetric cyphers is the more substantial thing, and since a reimplementation happenes, might as well add aesthetics.
asciilifeform: don't misunderstand, i like the 'fixed fields' idea, but am also aware that shitgnome excretions in a hundred places in commonplace toolchains will silently screw with it.
mircea_popescu: so that means those toolchains will have to change or die ?
mircea_popescu: i feel so bad forcing inconvenient change upon random people.
mircea_popescu: like bathing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu probably recalls our convo re: pure-rsa. we'll have it.
jurov: ha. does it do htps?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: though it will further imperil folks who are enciphering on hardware without proper rng.
mircea_popescu: jurov https is evil in the eyes of the punkbot!!1
asciilifeform: (need lotsa padding)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the cypher itself is too short anyway
mircea_popescu: so no, it won't imperil them, it will just make the peril obvious
asciilifeform: but with pure-rsa, enciphering on a generic pc will be a suicidal act.
mircea_popescu: so make the fucking cardano already.
punkbot: punkman: Queued 1 valid deed for next bundle.
asciilifeform: cardano-1 doesn't encipher...
jurov: lol
mircea_popescu: JUSTTTTT do itttt!
asciilifeform sincerely hopes no one is surprised
kakobrekla: jurov what will you deliver if bbet delists?
jurov: i can maintain virtual balances on coinbr just for him
punkman: picture of shares?
mircea_popescu: i guess he delivers a copy of the above ?
mircea_popescu: on a postcard.
kakobrekla: unserious.
jurov: ha. poor qntra writer deeds will contain clause like "receiver is responsible for identifying any circumstances that may render this agreement void and act accordingly"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform wanted padding...
asciilifeform: random padding lol
jurov: "such as, mpex delisting, impending death, etc."
assbot: cryptanalysis - Definition of Textbook RSA - Cryptography Stack Exchange
mircea_popescu: myeah, the only bitch is that determinism.
mircea_popescu: also doing away with the 65537 static and instead using any 64bit integer with exactly 32 on bits would be better.
punkman: .status
punkbot: punkman: 1 pending deed | Last bundle 40 minutes and 5 seconds ago
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that one's for when you built a Si fab
mircea_popescu: it's not THAT slow.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: space.
mircea_popescu: what space ? srsly ?
mircea_popescu: somehow making movies "HD" is ok for space
asciilifeform: the 32k in me micro, that space
mircea_popescu: what micro ?
asciilifeform: cardano, what other
mircea_popescu: i wasn't talking about the cardano! i was talking about the new pgp
jurov: mircea_popescu: other people's signatures will be detached from definition... or do you want to include the patch everywhere?
mircea_popescu: jurov huh?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform incidentally, know of any rng process to compute fixed count onbits random numbers ?
jurov: author sends email with attached patch and signature as similarly-named attachments
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu is helpfully reminded that not all mersenne numbers are mersenne primes!
jurov: B and C send only named signatures as attachemnt
mircea_popescu: jurov oh yeah, i wasn't commenting on your implementation, i was just bitching at the stars.
jurov: i they approve the patch
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fixed count on bits << easy as a fart. start with the bits, then shuffle with rng transpositions.
mircea_popescu: ah that's a point.
mircea_popescu: ;;google list of mersenne primes
gribble: Mersenne prime - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mersenne_prime>; Mersenne Primes: History, Theorems and Lists - The Prime Pages: <http://primes.utm.edu/mersenne/>; Integer Lists: Mersenne Primes - TSM Resources: <http://www.tsm-resources.com/alists/mers.html>
asciilifeform: (trivial example - 2^4 - 1 == 15.)
mircea_popescu: yeah google, always put wikipedia the fucking first line, because i'm sure that's what the "algorithm" says.
mircea_popescu: buncha inept frauds...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform 65537 is not a mersenne prime either. what did i step into ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: fermat primes.
asciilifeform: afaik 65537 is largest known fermat prime.
mircea_popescu: you telling me the rsa e must be a fermat prime ? why ?
asciilifeform: it doesn't need to be.
asciilifeform: but does need to be prime.
mircea_popescu: afaik it's only used because easy to compute, two 1's merged into a word
asciilifeform: yes, that is why used.
asciilifeform: easy with bitshifts
asciilifeform: hence the obligatory whinge about new silicon
mircea_popescu: eh fuck it, usgavin promised us 100% increases each year for the next 200 years
mircea_popescu: or whatever was it. i intend to hold usg at his word.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, why's e have to be prime ?
asciilifeform: work it out
mircea_popescu: the idea is just for (q-1)(p-1) and e to be relatively prime
mircea_popescu: which isn't that hard to test
mircea_popescu: (and for that matter, it IS quite fucking possible for the current, fixed e implementation to spit out badly coded stuff every once in a blue moon, when the p q happen to be a multiple of 65537)
asciilifeform: the broom - fires once. yes.
mircea_popescu: "pick 32 onbit 64bit random numbers, test for cd" is a much better approach
asciilifeform: although - how on earth can pxq be a multiple of 65537 !?
asciilifeform: for prime p and q
asciilifeform: unless one or both are equal to it
mircea_popescu: i guess it can't be because -1
mircea_popescu: fuck. lmao. e just has to be... ODD
mircea_popescu: not prime.
asciilifeform: as i said, let's grunt out what happens if composite.
mircea_popescu: stop trying to confuse me just because i have nfi of anything!
asciilifeform: out of such confusion, is everything born
asciilifeform: as mircea_popescu might say
mircea_popescu: oh i see, just the confusion tip is it.
asciilifeform: (massive pdf turd)
jurov: rsa is only possible because we have probabilistic primality tests for bignums up to arbitrary certainty
mircea_popescu: anyway. p and q are primes. p-1 and p-1 being necessarily even, will probably have some factors. these factors could just as well be 65537
mircea_popescu: the odds are low but present.
mircea_popescu: p-1 and q-1*
asciilifeform: jurov: actually we have a deterministic primality test! with massive constant factor, but anyway.
asciilifeform: (deterministic in P!)
assbot: Bundle 196PrJjL | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
mircea_popescu: o look, there's a M48. i had no idea.
mircea_popescu: 2^57,885,161 - 1
punkman: btw some bundles can't be turned into bitcoin keys, found out by accident
mircea_popescu: why is that ?
asciilifeform fondly remembers donating his first real multi-cpu rig's cycles to mersenne search
punkman: hash must be smaller than 0xfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffebaaedce6af48a03bbfd25e8cd0364141
jurov: just cut one bit from the hash
punkman: it's not a problem, just wait for next deed, hash changes
asciilifeform: define as hash(hash... 'by the neck until dead'
mircea_popescu: punkman ^ asciilifeform has it.
mircea_popescu: if too large, rehash.
mircea_popescu: it's how wol does it.
jurov: how did you generate such a collision?
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu, asciilifeform: re sig stack is the implication that a signs patch, b signs patch and a.sig, c patch and b.sig...
asciilifeform feels useful for a sec
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes so ?
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: correct.
mircea_popescu: if you're not willing to sign the present signs you;'d better fork.
jurov: why?
asciilifeform: aha hence hashchain.
ben_vulpes: forgive my derpitude but why not simply sign the patch and collect sigs?
punkman: jurov, I manually entered 0xfff...f at some point, although address generation library would have caught it
jurov: can't they jsut sign independently?
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes i have no idea, it could be done that way too
Apocalyptic: asciilifeform, fyi the link to the slides at http://www.di.ens.fr/~pnguyen/pub_BoJoNg00.htm i dead, such a shame
ben_vulpes: no stack to manage in that case; i'd prefer it if there are no obvious reasons to not.
asciilifeform: Apocalyptic: down side of collecting links - they die. aha
punkbot: Confirmed bundle 196PrJjLTjXNNGLZsyT4YYdhA2b2EQjbZ3 | http://deeds.bitcoin-assets.com/b/196PrJjL
assbot: Bundle 196PrJjL | #bitcoin-assets deed registry
asciilifeform invited anyone who can turn up a live copy, to link
jurov: like, turdatron would reject the email "nope you're not on longest chain"? lmao
mircea_popescu: BLOCKCHAIN ALL THE
asciilifeform: 'those who will not xxx are doomed to reinvent xxxx...'
ben_vulpes: simple is beautiful
punkman: also interesting is the address for 0x00, you can sent money to it but you can't spend it https://blockchain.info/address/1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1FYMZEHnszCHKTBdFZ2DLrUuk3dGwYKQxh
mod6: this punkbot is neat
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla but how is a single machine going to catch up when it falls behind ? never ? << the idea is to stop these persnickety machienes from validating the blockchain at all.
mircea_popescu: just take some magic bytes on trust and call it good.
asciilifeform: anyway, as far as i understand, the whole point of having actual arses in the driver's chair (ben_vulpes? mod6?) here is to merge patches and maintain the 'True chain'
ben_vulpes: 32MB is not the steady-state line, it's just the largest sanctioned p2p msg
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: i believe this excises all upnp mentions. my build hops on the network and downloads blocks. <<< yay wd.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform something like that.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: considering [blabla] you probably did not need to do the live-fire test. << stom motherfucking corrupting the youth!
asciilifeform: forkers - can build own turdatrons.
mircea_popescu: he did need to do the life-fire test.
ben_vulpes: hang on a sec here
asciilifeform: !s dijkstra
mircea_popescu: djenied.
ben_vulpes: lol no u
mircea_popescu: testing is the one thing bitcoin needs more of
mircea_popescu: hashing it has enough.
ben_vulpes: jurov's turdvendor's the canonical repository
ben_vulpes: there's known state a
ben_vulpes: and a record of patches signed by individuals
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu this is the thing you asked for in the first place: "sigs on lines"
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes no.
mircea_popescu: the thing i asked for is to sign on READ lines.
mircea_popescu: X submitted this, Y merged it, K L M N K and Q read and approve.
mircea_popescu: as opposed to the current X Y only so-called open source thing going on atm.
asciilifeform is happy that folks grasp exactly what he suggested on day1
mircea_popescu: the difference is huge, because when a bug like the numerous bugs in openssl/bash/etc pops up in the open
mircea_popescu: you wish to see whom you're hanging and why.
asciilifeform: !s shitgnomes
mircea_popescu: was it an honest mistake ? was it a nsa sponsored shitjob ? etc.
kakobrekla: which you cant really tell if it was a good jo
mircea_popescu: in short : it makes the cost of nsa covert ops in foss go from O(log(t)) all the way up to P,N
asciilifeform: which you cant really tell if it was a good << hence the original discussion of why 'the sapper errs once'
asciilifeform: the enemy's entire modus operandi is to always have 'honest mistake' alibi
mircea_popescu: exactly.
kakobrekla: no point in establishing "<mircea_popescu> was it an honest mistake"
asciilifeform: so we have serious business here, and all the belts and suspenders - actually matter.
mircea_popescu: that's pretty much the only thing. "we print money, and you can pretend you just fell on her while your pants were off"
kakobrekla: still not sure why anyone wants to sign anything heheh
kakobrekla: given the up and down side.
asciilifeform: (and, for the record, when i suggested to ben_vulpes that he did not need to live fire, it was because it was a removal of ifdefs that were switched off, which, if done correctly, would yield a bitwise-identical binary.)
mircea_popescu: i would like the difference between "dropped plate on my toe" and "fell on naked woman holding her heels while naked" to be obvious to the naked eye
ben_vulpes: so merges should only happen when k l m n o have already signed patch
mircea_popescu: and i want the record of accidental "dropped on my toe" events recorder permanently.
mircea_popescu: between these two, the budged for recruiting pencildicks goes from constant to hilbert's hotel.
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes merges can happen at any point.
asciilifeform: tharwego.
asciilifeform: cooking with gas!
mircea_popescu: what users use, is what users use.
asciilifeform has an inescapably 'rectothermal' image of 'pencildick' in his mind
mircea_popescu: the entire "foss is better because read by millions of eyes" fetish needs to be put to rest already. opportunity does not equal actualisation.
mircea_popescu: my model will allow a specific list to be created. this was read in fact by 5468 people. these ones :
asciilifeform: millions'o'flies.
asciilifeform: >> codewot.
mircea_popescu: moreover, by putting the sexy back into reading code, it actually directly addresses the problem. currently people only read shit AFTER a bug was found.
asciilifeform confesses that he very frequently reads, with evil eyes, things in which nothing has of yet been found.
mircea_popescu: if you could also sign on it,
mircea_popescu: your signature will become in itself valuable,
mircea_popescu: and the people trying to hire you to review their code would crowd the shit out of the only buyer currently,
asciilifeform: sign ought not to be binary, however.
mircea_popescu: which is the usg diddle-ops arm.
asciilifeform: my 'i will die by this' sig is reserved exclusively for what i personally crapped out and ruminated over.
asciilifeform: could meet exceptions, but not yet met.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it IS a way out of gravity well.
ben_vulpes: so i begin to wonder if i'm at all a good person to handle merges, given my lack of experience with cpp
asciilifeform would volunteer to take the place of poor ben_vulpes but is rather busy
ben_vulpes: i've been staring at it and it's not unintelligble -- horrible, but not unintelligible -- but given things like obfuscated c competition i don't think i'm actually a good technical choice for the role
asciilifeform: anyway handling merges as such - the physicalities of it - is not hard.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: who else is going to handle making sure turd consistency stays constant?
asciilifeform: dusithavetobeme?
ben_vulpes: asciilifeform: but how theoretically would i know what to merge?
thestringpuller: you are a masterful turd-smith
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes technical choice ? these are all political choices.
ben_vulpes: trust the l2?
asciilifeform: why not, say, mircea_popescu
ben_vulpes: choice for the technical role perhaps would be a better phrasing
asciilifeform would bite ze bullet & do it, for a small fee.
ben_vulpes: is the goal (eg political) to find some poor usian schmuck to take on hearn et al and risk full audit of all things, stopping and frisking by every passing police officer?
asciilifeform has pet that needs some attention, will be back.
ben_vulpes: or political in the sense of 'forum'
mircea_popescu: no, the political goal is to allow people who are interested in doing things the right way at the levers where things are done the right way.
mircea_popescu: this may require particular grips, depending on how the lever happen to be constructed. the hands will adjust.
thestringpuller: it seems asciilifeform is the only one qualified to be a release manager
thestringpuller: unless there is a lever pulling training program
mircea_popescu: what is the internet, but a vast training program.
mircea_popescu: what, you though it's about the social media ?
thestringpuller: noise signal and all that garb
ben_vulpes: q: what is the output of a "merge" in this scenario?
ben_vulpes: new "commit" in public repo?
ben_vulpes: fresh set of signed blobs in *.org/releases?
ben_vulpes: these crickets suggest that the chairs must make this decision.
ben_vulpes mutters darkly
ben_vulpes: aight well fiat corp requires oiling before shuddering into motion in the morn. i'll continue this with anyone interested at a later point.
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asciilifeform: re: some poor usian schmuck to take on hearn et al and risk...
asciilifeform is deep behind enemy lines...
asciilifeform sings 'С чего начинается Родина' dourly
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asciilifeform: (originally sung by film hero, deep behind german lines)
TheNewDeal: beautiful song ascii
asciilifeform: ben_vulpes: but given things like obfuscated c competition << you were probably thinking of the 'underhanded c' competition.
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TheNewDeal: what's the historical background on the first one?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: historical fiction. the film 'shield and sword.'
assbot: Download The Shield and the Sword / Shchit i mech / (1968) 2 x DVD9 | movie world
asciilifeform: (download links are fakes, afaik, linked for summary)
asciilifeform: there might actually be an english sub floating around
TheNewDeal: is it in russian?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: could've sworn BingoBoingo discussed this. << Not sure if I've discussed the shotglass as pieces variant in chan, but am familiar with it.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: the belt-fed mod?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: the shot chess.
BingoBoingo: Working through logs, but belt fed mod may have also been something I mentioned in the past.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo will like this log
asciilifeform: some pretty heavy 'the sapper errs once' action.
thestringpuller: asciilifeform mircea_popescu : you may enjoy this clippet https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZEcgkZVSwU4
assbot: Italian Municipal Councils Targetted By TorrentLocker | Qntra.net
mircea_popescu: italians better start buying btc.
undata: "the ransomware operator provides customer service and assistance." << that's rich.
asciilifeform: run moar winblows. (tm)
cazalla: fixed typo before anyone mentions it
asciilifeform will laugh twice is this turns out to have been the tordiddler payload
cazalla: any issue with akismet? nike really want to advertise their jordans on qntra
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asciilifeform: thestringpuller: terrible hackjob, loll
thestringpuller: asciilifeform: LOL. yes yes. voice acting subpar, but the last line in the clip is a communist patriot toasting: "To capitalism"
asciilifeform: thestringpuller: obligatory >> http://pbfcomics.com/209
assbot: The Perry Bible Fellowship
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: >Increasingly scientists think there should be some regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don’t do something very foolish. <<< like you know, turn everything on its head, making current arrangements obsolete
mircea_popescu: wink wink nudge nudge.
assbot: Logged on 26-10-2014 16:45:02; asciilifeform: musk, mr y, some nameless folks from usg, will get together very soon and - if you're known to own a sufficiently large cluster of whateverthefuck - you gotta register...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yeah, that's about three days before the random shootings of anyone known to be associated with usg start.
asciilifeform: the sad thing is, i'm still fairly certain that yudkowsky didn't want to be a stooge.
asciilifeform: he just wanted to sleep ad libitum, i suspect.
mircea_popescu: yeah, that now matters, because alternative universe.
mircea_popescu: anyway, you perhaps remember the history of how that plays out. after all, the tsar tried it.
asciilifeform: tried what in particular
mircea_popescu: " regulatory oversight maybe at the national and international level, just to make sure that we don’t do something very foolish"
mircea_popescu: jurov: more like "inevitably idiotically yapping around" << myeah.
mircea_popescu: *: asciilifeform is not equipped with the evidence needed to agree (or not) with 'it's mostly ok' << the problem with the mostly ok thing is that intelligent people tend to build but loathe to maintain.
mircea_popescu: which is why they're so attracted to software (it never fails)
mircea_popescu: mining however is hardware.
asciilifeform: except when...
asciilifeform: !s satcoin
asciilifeform: meat on faraway asteroid waits for its fly.
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asciilifeform: davout?
mircea_popescu: uh, why would it be someone ehere ?
asciilifeform: no idea
asciilifeform blows dust off mechanism to see if there are actually other people reading his site these days
asciilifeform discovers that there - apparently - are. and that he needs to feed its piggy even.
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mircea_popescu: Jean-Baptiste Soufron
asciilifeform: unrelated:
assbot: lcamtuf's blog: PSA: don't run 'strings' on untrusted files (CVE-2014-8485)
asciilifeform: ^ anal orifice in the humble 'strings' unix tool.
mircea_popescu: leverage huh.
asciilifeform: mandatory derpy headline
mircea_popescu: fucking leverage.
asciilifeform gloats, blames the mice
asciilifeform: incidentally, 'strings' is part of many automated malware analysis systems.
asciilifeform: including some that take public submissions.
asciilifeform: gentlemen, start yer engines!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: i just love how the krugman shitgnomes prattle on about the need for physical 'use-value' in currencies and then go on to bid on apple-1 pcbs and jackson pollack paintings << they are stupid and how dare you demand they be consistent!
mircea_popescu: direct application of "i have tried and therefore nobody should criticize me"
asciilifeform: nah it's more a case of 'i'm a titled noble with certificate of anal virginity from the crown and nobody should criticize me'
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform yes, that's exactly what it is.
asciilifeform: fucking --- string!!
asciilifeform blithers
asciilifeform without even being surprised
mircea_popescu: assbot: Logged on 06-04-2014 06:13:12; mircea_popescu: money can be sustenance or control. << this has been meanwhile rewritten, http://trilema.com/2014/money-fucking-and-lying/
assbot: Money, fucking and lying pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: herr semmelweis says hello!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: actual - doubtful << if i ever have to create you as a character, i'll have you watching the special olympics and then mutter to yourself "i wonder why they're trying to act handicaps"
mircea_popescu: undata: pretty ungrateful to call the guy retarded. << it's an act of love, you just don't know how the world works.
undata: mircea_popescu: I wish someone would dig her a hole so she could fill it back in again.
undata: as for the second, *shrug*
mircea_popescu: it's impractical for the aliens to keep coming to dig holes where to dispose of the us consumer garbage.
mircea_popescu: how about you know, stop making it.
undata: oh, no, the next generation of garbage is coming up
mircea_popescu: ben_vulpes: pool administrators determine block size, correct? << maximal.
undata: I watched a video earlier of one of the younger Bushes, who's now Texas Land Commissioner
undata: one of those posts they hand out to the kids to prep them for later
mircea_popescu: actually no, you're right, gotta follow their getworks
BingoBoingo: <mircea_popescu> asciilifeform: actual - doubtful << if i ever have to create you as a character, i'll have you watching the special olympics and then mutter to yourself "i wonder why they're trying to act handicaps" << I imagine this scene happening with alf in a tent. No context is given for the tent until he gets up to take a shit and the view sees the tend is in an otherwise pedestrian living room and emblazoned with the messa
BingoBoingo: ge "FU TEMPEST!!!"
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: at some point, perhaps, a major mine operator will be pwned and his crown jewels throw to the mob. then we can study live code. << why would anyone do that ? it's difficult to trust the authenticity of a stolen thing, which is why theft is not an acceptable source of evidence in legal proceedings
ben_vulpes: mircea_popescu: so the pool operators really decide if the hard fork goes off, correct?
mircea_popescu: well, the death of the previous hard fork (the one gavin & hearn created) happened through the cooperation of the meanwhile defunct 50btc guild.
mircea_popescu: which, if you recall, was o noes, 50% at some point and lo and behold, not a year later it is nothing.
mircea_popescu: so... not as simple as that.
ben_vulpes: "death of the preivous hard fork" meaning the actions that brought everyone onto the same chain?
kakobrekla: top 2 pool ops should be enough
mircea_popescu: the general idea is that nobody who gets involved into something like this in any capacity and on any side survives. period.
mircea_popescu: some spots require exceptional measures.
ben_vulpes: eligus is < 5%
kakobrekla: ghash/cex and discus fish or smth
assbot: North Koreas Answer To Ebola
undata: cenk uygur quoted as saying "durr hurr... republicans"
undata: guy's such a partisan hack
cazalla: ya know, over the past month i've been reading articles, there has been many fluff pieces that keep pushing this idea that bitcoin the technology is what is valuable and not the "currency", andreas kick this shit off with "blockchain technology" and now everyone is repeating this shit
undata: cazalla: jpmcoin
TheNewDeal: deedbot?
cazalla: undata, seems that way, it comes across contrived
undata: cazalla: he's a shittier Bill Maher for the internet, without even the redeemer of being funny
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: which is why theft is not an acceptable source of evidence << it won't be a legal, but a vivisectionary proceeding. like us loling at the snowden crap.
thestringpuller: undata: Bill Maher is kind of annoying at times. He's very preachy about socialist-like policies.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: tent << obama has one!
assbot: Bill Hicks - Politics In America - YouTube
undata: forgive the video
assbot: Obama communicates from hotel inside a tent | MadMikesAmerica
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I know. I just imagine cinematic you has one as well.
BingoBoingo: Sheltering in Place: The S.NSA Story
thestringpuller: undata: if you like tool
undata: thestringpuller: I watched that one :)
undata: love the JRE
asciilifeform: and did you folks miss the potentially-exploitable crash of unix 'patch' i got the other day?
asciilifeform: all from a little bit of binary crapolade from removing png from turdball
asciilifeform: (see earlier thread)
cazalla: http://www.efinancialnews.com/story/2014-10-27/fintech-news-2-oliver-bussman-ubs?ea9c8a2de0ee111045601ab04d673622 is a example of what i said earlier, this guy drops bitcoin all together and just calls it blockchain. "That’s quite a list. The trend he puts at the top of his list is blockchain, the underlying technology behind Bitcoin, which he says is the megatrend with the biggest potential to bring change to the financial services sector
assbot: Innovation spaces where Oliver Bussman lives the dream
punkbot: cazalla: Error: No closing quotation
cazalla: an example, altogether, maybe i need some coffee
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: head is best tent.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: At least head has protection in its "floor" unlike Obama tent
mircea_popescu: <cazalla> ya know, over the past month i've been reading articles, there has been many fluff pieces that keep pushing this idea that bitcoin the technology is what is valuable and not the "currency" <<< yep. classic approach. "it's not the barrel that we're affraid of, it's the crazy shit stuck on all sides of rifle".
mircea_popescu: gotta try something.
asciilifeform: potentially-exploitable crash of unix 'patch' << repeating this in order to remind the turdatron folks of the gravity of their situation.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didja patch patch ?
asciilifeform: still working to reproduce
assbot: Bit Con? Veteran fraud expert sets his sights on bitcoin - Fortune
undata: mthreat: I just read that; what an asshat
undata: "is scam because isn't money" and "blockchain technology!"
mthreat: ripe for rebuttal
asciilifeform: reads as if generated by perl script.
mircea_popescu: maybe we should just publish a schematic, help these dumbasses self-rebutt
mircea_popescu: flowchart.
asciilifeform: like that spam template, yes.
ben_vulpes: markov chain
mircea_popescu: anyway, in this particular case the best rebuttal is letting the guy do whatever he does after "setting sights"
mircea_popescu: should be an amusing shootfootfest
cazalla: it's ofn, qntra covered it like 2 weeks ago
assbot: News Alert – Old Man Doesn't Understand Bitcoin | Qntra.net
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10998 @ 0.00075679 = 8.3232 BTC [-] {2}
ben_vulpes: a doctorow link in -assets?
asciilifeform: ancient usenet turd
asciilifeform: i think just about everyone has a copy
asciilifeform: google - coughed up that one.
undata: that guy has the smirk of a kid who just pissed the pool on purpose
mircea_popescu wonders how undata would know this
undata: vivid imagination
TheNewDeal: ^not fooling anyone
assbot: SCIF lulz - Imgur
asciilifeform: mega-lol
mircea_popescu: "medical devices" ?
mircea_popescu: o look, tin foil mitigaiton for ir.
asciilifeform: the hilarity of even presuming to distinguish the equivalence classes.
asciilifeform: this, incidentally, is the bush-era document specifying 'obama tent' but also all chambers in which mega-top-dildonic-pleasure-secret clearance work is permitted.
mircea_popescu: you mean where private first class amanda stole all the data ?
asciilifeform: that's 'secret'
asciilifeform: ;;google siprnet
asciilifeform: 'closeouts and de-accreditations shall comply with the following procedures... Reset safe combinations to 50-25-50 and lock the containers.' << ahaha, default pw.
ben_vulpes: so i've got a jenkins building this crazy stripped down build
ben_vulpes: truly a hanky story, but it's a step towards integration tests and what has one
assbot: Zero Characters Left: Zero-confirmation bitcoin transactions
TheNewDeal: isn't getting info by txid a nono?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, for serious applications.
mircea_popescu: "We also need to find the sender's address, so we know where to send the money. This is done by looking at the inputs of the original transaction. The transaction can have multiple inputs that are all under the control of the sending party. We just send everything back to one of the input addresses at random."
TheNewDeal: most useful bitcoin application of 2014...
asciilifeform: laugh, but that thing is almost literally - my 'blockchain telegraph.'
assbot: Loper OS » Practical Blockchain Telegraphy.
TheNewDeal: so you're proposing an extremely expensive twitter that would spit out a bunch of transactions on the blockchain?
TheNewDeal: why wouldn't you just send this over to the testnet?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal he's being difficult.
TheNewDeal: So I'm reading this link that someone posted on that loper article on telegraphy. http://www.righto.com/2014/02/ascii-bernanke-wikileaks-photographs.html
assbot: Ken Shirriff's blog: Hidden surprises in the Bitcoin blockchain and how they are stored: Nelson Mandela, Wikileaks, photos, and Python software
TheNewDeal: They say that burning bitcoin, or sending it to a bitcoin blackhole, is a great way to fund an altcoin
TheNewDeal: do you think that's true?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18300 @ 0.00075925 = 13.8943 BTC [+]
undata: why would that be a good idea?
undata: or burning coin at all
TheNewDeal: Welll
undata: ...shows your dedication?
TheNewDeal: it increases the worth of the other coins, doesnt it?
undata: in the same way that me jumping jiggles the moon
TheNewDeal: anyways
TheNewDeal: lets say someone actually comes up with a new alternative to bitcoin that actually makes some sort of improvement
undata: here's one thing I've considered spending into the blockchain
undata: WoT ratings
decimation: asciilifeform: you too could buy something like obama's tent, for one golden toilet: http://www.drash.com/Products/Shelters/SpecialtyShelters/emishelter.aspx
assbot: EMI Shelters
undata: I'd actually like some feedback on the WoT in blockchain idea
TheNewDeal: I think it's somewhat novel, but I'm not quite the resident expert
undata: nor am I clear on what the best method of encoding the data would be
undata: if it were addresses, goodbye coin
undata: but a small amount wouldn't hurt that bad
undata: latest rating by timestamp wins
decimation: undata: signing stuff in the blockchain was discussed a few weeks ago
decimation: I think the conclusion was that you would make a blob and then put the hash in the blockchain somehow
undata: then distribute the blob?
undata: there's some synthesis of these ideas that works
undata: I've thought a lot about spending magnet links into the blockchain too
undata: potential mechanism for doing storage for anything that's hard to cram into transactions
decimation: Yeah you would have to have some method of referencing the blob
PeterL: are you familiar with the deedbot?
decimation: yeah doesn't deedbot write to the blockchain?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 73649 @ 0.0007572 = 55.767 BTC [-] {3}
PeterL: yes, that is the point of it
undata: I'm thinking you could implement something like a database index which is the distributed content of a given magnet link
undata: which could reference other transactions which are other magnet links
undata: turn the thing into a hash db with references
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