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cazalla: kuzetsa, you're going to have to try much harder, that image is ofn and very tame. Choosing which one you would fuck if you had to is still a tough decision though
cazalla: fwiw, i'd fuck B, can look past the cock, can't the physique of the left
DreadKnight: benkay, yes, was afraid it might have been the case;
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, which the office you liked more?
DreadKnight: benkay, seen them both?
benkay: hell no that's not comedy.
DreadKnight: benkay, anyway, "copy cat" as in trying to fill the same shoes, so doesn't matter what order, if you see something else trying to be the same thing, it just feels wrong
DreadKnight: uncanny valley effect, like in games
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: It was so long ago I can barely remember either
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: though I think I like the non-UK office better
kuzetsa: trying to decide if I want to analyze the behavior of Win32/Bropia.G.worm in a sandbox or just nuke it and let someone else do the forensics tonight :(
kuzetsa: I mean... err... I'm retired, I never do anything O_O
DreadKnight: nuke it
DreadKnight: it's a worm
DreadKnight: = virus of some sort
kuzetsa: well yeah, but occasionally they're fun to watch
DreadKnight: go for it if that's your late saturday night type of fun
DreadKnight: hah, just found this https://btcjam.com
assbot: Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending - BTCJam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9700 @ 0.00079981 = 7.7582 BTC [-]
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: yeaaaaah... nuking this worm is too much like work, I shouldn't have been so bold and reckless to begin with, so it's my own damn fault :(
kuzetsa: wiping the sandbox and doing a rollback to a clean snapshot was quicker *sigh*
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, why are you still on windows? xD
DreadKnight: heh, I recall you said a few times you're old
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: nVidia optimus on my craptop doesn't get full functionality on non-windows OS, sadly.
DreadKnight: afaik that does well on linux now, oh well
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 27350 @ 0.00079981 = 21.8748 BTC [-]
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: really? including the ability for the drivers to power down the geforce 540GT mobile when it's not needed? (to save power)
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: any clue if it's nouveau, bumblebee, or some other driver solution? (the one which "does well"... also, which distro(s) have you tested it with?)
assbot: How to set up nVidia Optimus/Bumblebee in 14.04 - Ask Ubuntu
kuzetsa: oh, ubuntu? uhg :(
DreadKnight: and flavors
DreadKnight: it's not mandatory to use unity DE, you have plenty of options that work better for lower end devices
DreadKnight: ubuntu is just a foundation, you can customize your OS as you wish
DreadKnight: there's driver for nouveau as well afaik
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24950 @ 0.00079981 = 19.9553 BTC [-]
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: or I could just build my own bumblebee from source (with or without the gentoo ebuild to guide things into a sane, usable state) --> http://gpo.zugaina.org/x11-misc/bumblebee
assbot: Gentoo Portage Overlays - x11-misc/bumblebee
DreadKnight: building from source and gentoo are for nerds; funny to hear that stuff since you're using windoze atm
kuzetsa shrugs
DreadKnight: it's ok to be a nerd, I'm one too, that tries to avoid compiling though
kuzetsa: applying stereotypical assumptions and substituting loose correlations in place of logic
kuzetsa: I often am guilty of that when I talk smack about ubuntu or the userbase
kuzetsa: kinda like what you just did with "you're using windows" argument, but not as cool
DreadKnight: well, you're toying around with worms
kuzetsa: nah
DreadKnight: I often hear windows users complaining about antiviruses, viruses and a lot of other stuff
DreadKnight: like every day
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10100 @ 0.00080221 = 8.1023 BTC [+]
DreadKnight: I'm like "switch damn it and stop complaining already" in my mind
DreadKnight: gave up on windows a long time ago because of that kind of crap
benkay: bitcoin's going to fix that for them
kuzetsa: benkay: hmm? what is bitcoin going to fix?
DreadKnight: switching to linux? xD
kuzetsa: no clue what you mean by "switching"
benkay: people using windows.
DreadKnight: how? :P
thestringpuller: i use windows
kuzetsa: I use 3 or more OS per day most days, and rarely less than 2 (and one of them is always my linux box sitting at the local datacenter)
thestringpuller: and bitcoin on windows
thestringpuller: Stop hating benkay
thestringpuller: You're os'ist
DreadKnight: I'm not sure what bitcoin has to do with the OS
DreadKnight: though I'm not very fond of windows
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: I am, windows has a good reputation for being more solid for gaming than linux or mac
kuzetsa: other than that it's a very small (and constantly shrinking) list of apps which are native windows ones and happen to be part of some workflow or other
thestringpuller: "Bill Gates pushed for DirectX in the 90's now everyone writes for windows when on PC thus windows is better" argument
DreadKnight: kuzetsa, lmao; plenty of linux games, plus linux can also run windows games; that reputation is total FUD, it's based on people believing that and keeping at it
DreadKnight: thestringpuller, ikr
kuzetsa: thestringpuller: driver support too, not just the directx API / abstraction layer
thestringpuller: DreadKnight: it's damn near impossible to run some games on Linux that were for windows.
thestringpuller: that's why Steam OS won't drop until 2015 most likely.
DreadKnight: it's like buying games for nintendo console and wanting to play them on your ps3.
kuzetsa: thestringpuller: also, Steam OS is probably not going to support anonymous, random hardware as well as windows
benkay: DreadKnight: bitcoins will vanish mysteriously from all windows boxes.
DreadKnight: benkay, oh, I sure hope so and it sounds pretty likely to happen
thestringpuller: benkay: that's why you gotta use better TX scripts :P
thestringpuller: i encrypt all my paper wallets with triple GPG
benkay: quit trollin, thestringpuller
DreadKnight: thestringpuller, tell that to the average joe
benkay: you run gpg on windows
benkay throws his hands up
benkay: it's futile, i tell ya.
thestringpuller: When someone logs in as me on this channel
DreadKnight: how to I list gpg key id's btw? using shell/terminal
thestringpuller: and uses my gpg key to identify
thestringpuller: then I will call it futile!!!
benkay: you don't wait for your house to catch fire to admit that you built it out of paper and paper burns
benkay: you don't build a fucking house out of paper in the first place
kuzetsa: bacon is good encryption
thestringpuller: benkay just hates on OS'es
kuzetsa: I think I need to go encrypt a sandwich, brb
benkay: citation required
thestringpuller: I'm going to make a Windows tile for Bitcoin.
DreadKnight: he should, windows sux and all that it's good about it is related to Bill Gates stealing and getting ahead
benkay: i'm going to make a stab-you-through-the-internet for everything
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.01170001 = 0.585 BTC [+]
DreadKnight: anyway, no point in having an OS war
DreadKnight: enjoy your windows but stop complaining of constant buthurt
thestringpuller: LOL. I use all OS'es
thestringpuller: like colbert I am color blind
thestringpuller: i just pretend everyone is white and it's all good.
DreadKnight: bringing games as an argument is like you're deliberately trying to play the same few games that just aren't made with other operating systems in mind
DreadKnight: using linux for about 10 years yet I suffered a lot from being addicted to gaming
DreadKnight: and people keep saying "not enough games on linux"
thestringpuller: ergo game consoles
thestringpuller: PC's are for work
DreadKnight: been playing on my linux box
thestringpuller: game consoles are for games
DreadKnight: got ps3 and I don't even touch it for a long time now
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: yeah, mine is collecting dust too
DreadKnight: a second hand ps3 is probably 100 bucks now, at least around here
DreadKnight: probably with even a few original games as well
DreadKnight: not even worth selling my console
DreadKnight: ok seriously, how do I list gpg key id? xD
DreadKnight: nvm, finally
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24586 @ 0.00079775 = 19.6135 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5540 @ 0.00079672 = 4.4138 BTC [-]
benkay: gpg -K
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 11200 @ 0.00079853 = 8.9435 BTC [+]
DreadKnight: I still don't get what I need
thestringpuller: ;;ident DreadKnight
gribble: Nick 'DreadKnight', with hostmask 'DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight', is identified as user 'DreadKnight', with GPG key id F6A23D326FDF1035, key fingerprint 2011A2ADC029482B2C2A1E9EF6A23D326FDF1035, and bitcoin address None
thestringpuller: isn't that your key?
DreadKnight: alt tabbed back to website and it proceeded, so dunno wtf
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17100 @ 0.00079661 = 13.622 BTC [-] {2}
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 595.44, Best ask: 598.85, Bid-ask spread: 3.41000, Last trade: 596.43, 24 hour volume: 3771.32192653, 24 hour low: 590.0, 24 hour high: 602.83, 24 hour vwap: 595.20749223
benkay: why is it crashing?
thestringpuller: HAHAHAHA
thestringpuller: "crashing"
DreadKnight: dropped a few dollars
DreadKnight: in a few days or so
DreadKnight: seems totally normal
DreadKnight: ;;google search APR
gribble: APR Executive Search, Inc. - Home Page: <http://www.aprexec.com/>; APR Executive Search, Inc. - Jobs: <http://www.aprexec.com/jobs.html>; APR Executive Search, Inc. - About Us: <http://www.aprexec.com/about.html>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.16966666 = 1.018 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.15999999 = 1.6 BTC [-]
DreadKnight: great, just got banned in #bitcoin for sharing a link :\
benkay: what link?
DreadKnight: <DreadKnight> found a really nice website related to bitcoins, it's about investing or making btc loans, really cool and useful https://btcjam.com/?r=ffa8ab19-de7a-4bdd-83ca-81fcbe9c9a41&utm_source=referral_url&utm_campaign=user_referral
assbot: Peer to Peer Bitcoin Lending - BTCJam
DreadKnight: there goes my excitement for sharing an interesting website
cazalla: interesting that by banning yoy, you won't learn why it's not an interesting website
Namworld: [18:23] <+mircea_popescu> people should be targeted in a dismissive manner. builds character.
benkay: DreadKnight: well, you're doing a referral thing
benkay: and it's a notorious scam
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1600 @ 0.00079654 = 1.2745 BTC [-]
Namworld: That, and it's always nice to know what people think. I rarely use any negative language toward anyone, but that's just me. But I'd be the last one to say people shouldn't say this or that to anyone.
DreadKnight: benkay, the website itself doesn't seem to be a scam, but yeah, there are scammers on it for sure
DreadKnight: btc channel is kinda dead anyway
DreadKnight: btcjam basically has the same amount of credibility as any crowd funding website in existence
DreadKnight: because it's about the people using the website
Namworld: What's wrong with windows? I hardly ever get any issue whatsoever. If it gave me any problem, I'd switch. Runs all I need, plus runs games easily. Not like anything critical is going on on that machine.
DreadKnight: Namworld, people constantly complaining about viruses but not switching, that is the problem
DreadKnight: so it's more of a user problem
benkay: DreadKnight: if your platform pushes scams, you're a scammer.
benkay: see: glbse
DreadKnight: benkay, there are scammers and scams on every single platform
DreadKnight: good and evil are two sides of the same coin, you can't have just one
Namworld: If everyone was using Linux, bugs would show up regularly. Although perhaps they'd be fixed more quickly, Linux being open source.
DreadKnight: Namworld, things would be better, more devs and patches, more testing; on windows you can't really patch, just complain
Namworld: Well slightly better.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.1699999 = 0.51 BTC [+]
punkman: !up phish
phish: how can i register for wot?
DreadKnight: gpg key
phish: instructions?
assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
phish: ty
assbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 197 @ 0.003 = 0.591 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: megalogs! you guys been busy
punkman: neighbor is blasting liturgical music
punkman: I used to hate it but I guess there's worse thing to be woken up by
DreadKnight: I got woken by turkish music and manele yesterday, those make liturgical music sound like masterpieces in comparison
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21650 @ 0.00079863 = 17.2903 BTC [+] {2}
mthreat: !up jordandotdev
benkay: <DreadKnight> benkay, there are scammers and scams on every single platform // show me a single scam on MPEx.
benkay: this bit lending thing actively goes out of its way to promote itself as a safe place to do lending. it goes above and beyond the call of duty to enable scammers.
DreadKnight: benkay, was expecting you would say that; MPEx is exception
DreadKnight: there are risks in lending, it's a gamble; just like stocks, so that's the whole point
DreadKnight: I bought a hdd from an online store, a romanian ebay clone once and I got scammed as it was old and had bad sectors, was it the website's fault? my fault more likely, but there was a reputation system so I should had been more careful, also the used got banned quickly
DreadKnight: (I bought the hdd from a 3rd party through the website, from the website owners)
benkay: "every" "exception" // get your shit together
benkay: do you really not understand why that link with a referral bit would get you banned in #bitcoin?
benkay: ;;gettrust DreadKnight
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Trust relationship from user benkay to user DreadKnight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=benkay&dest=DreadKnight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DreadKnight | Rated since: Sun Apr 7 16:22:29 2013
benkay: you don't *look* like you're new around here.
DreadKnight: benkay, they say "NO ADS" in topic, noticed too late; can easily be considered an ad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 45421 @ 0.00080236 = 36.444 BTC [+] {4}
DreadKnight: benkay, when I said online platforms I meant websites with lots of users that interact with the website; MPEx is not like facebook / fiverr / bitcointalk forum
DreadKnight: allows for very limited interaction
DreadKnight: plus MPEx has some fees to get into :) which not everybody has around to begin with
benkay: yeah, these are generally considered "capital barriers", and improve market quality markedly.
DreadKnight: and dealing with serious resellers only instead of average joe is really awesome
benkay: you don't borrow 50 grand from some rando online. you go to an actual bank.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6950 @ 0.00080461 = 5.592 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 177 @ 0.00425999 = 0.754 BTC [+]
DreadKnight: benkay, are you a stock holder on MPEx?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13736 @ 0.00080355 = 11.0376 BTC [-]
benkay: i've made the odd trade yeah
DreadKnight: recall it from chat log, still not very familiar with the system
benkay: tread carefully
assbot: An Interview With Argentina’s Most Reputable Madame | bubblear.com
DreadKnight: I'm more into getting a listing though and learning the related stuff
DreadKnight: argh, bubblebear.com available for 2900$, right...
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 217 @ 0.00299999 = 0.651 BTC [-]
benkay: what's your timeframe on this listing, DreadKnight ?
DreadKnight: benkay, need to spend a few more days learning about socks / dividends / shares / listing so I can talk the talk properly and write some documentation as well (which is long time due)
benkay: shooting for the end of next week then?
DreadKnight: exactly
benkay: glhf
DreadKnight: yeah, fun
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 800 @ 0.00080461 = 0.6437 BTC [+]
benkay: Ran 67 tests containing 157 assertions.
benkay: 0 failures, 0 errors.
benkay: sweet
benkay: ./deploy.sh
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 149 @ 0.01170001 = 1.7433 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 271 @ 0.003 = 0.813 BTC [+]
benkay: we have a kind of people that we call 'niggers'. they aren't black. their uniform is sports clothes and a baseball cap. they introduce themselves by asking "hey friend, got the time?" (seriously, it's almost always like that). if you stop to answer and take your phone out, you've lost. most of the time, you can just say a single "no", or ignore them, and continue walking. this has worked really well for me lately.
benkay: the thing about it is that most of them don't want to start a conflict, they just look for weak people
benkay: // ahaha the good ol' street hustle
benkay: my favorite in NYC was the obviously-too-old-to-be-in-hs-member-of-the-basketball-team "raising money for the team trip to...uh...DC" by selling large candy bars for 20 bucks
benkay: let the man have your hand for a handshake, you've "lost"
benkay: i always got out of it by smiling wryly, wiggling my eyebrows and complimenting them on their hustle
benkay: later i learned to counter with "good hustle, next sucker"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1508 @ 0.00300001 = 4.524 BTC [+] {2}
DreadKnight: consider them as teachers :D
benkay: threats basically
dub: "fuck off" works for me
dub: while reaching behind you like you have weapon
DreadKnight: and pull out a hamster
DreadKnight: ;;gettrust benkay
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask benkay!~user@unaffiliated/benkay. Trust relationship from user DreadKnight to user benkay: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=DreadKnight&dest=benkay | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=benkay | Rated since: Sun Mar 10 13:57:45 2013
DreadKnight: benkay, how much you pay for your hosting?
DreadKnight: http://cascadianhacker.com/ Bandwidth Limit Exceeded
benkay: that site's actually offline.
benkay: good try, though.
DreadKnight: heh, time to get some sleep; laters
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 530 @ 0.003 = 1.59 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: !up SubWolf
mircea_popescu: !up yrashk
mircea_popescu: !up dxrt
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight:
mircea_popescu: mircea_popescu, did you went to college yourself? it's a bit of a trend now apparently for people in IT set on becoming rich << http://log.bitcoin-assets.com/?date=14-01-2014#444346
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight: great, just got banned in #bitcoin for sharing a link :\ << because it's neither cool nor useful.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15950 @ 0.00080461 = 12.8335 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ono benkay's bandnarrows run out!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24345 @ 0.00080438 = 19.5826 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29818 @ 0.00080355 = 23.9603 BTC [-]
assbot: 75 Years In The Making: Harvard Just Released Its Epic Study On What Men Need To Live A Happy Life | FEELguide | Film, Music, Design, Science, Style, Psychology, and More
jurov: ^ not sure if srs
jurov: !up Enky
assbot: heuristics.pdf - Google Drive
chetty: II 5. France took Algeria, hoping for a country to eat
chetty: cassoulet and instead France is now eating couscous.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10938 @ 0.00080267 = 8.7796 BTC [-]
fluffypony: dat mpoe dump
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5162 @ 0.00080267 = 4.1434 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7900 @ 0.00080206 = 6.3363 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26818 @ 0.00080206 = 21.5096 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 15 @ 0.1612016 = 2.418 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 14700 @ 0.00080206 = 11.7903 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2750 @ 0.00080132 = 2.2036 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 33150 @ 0.00080091 = 26.5502 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 41900 @ 0.00079838 = 33.4521 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.00079819 = 22.8282 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1550 @ 0.0007992 = 1.2388 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 799 @ 0.00299998 = 2.397 BTC [-]
ThickAsThieves: "Mr. Elliott responded; they even met once IRL (in real life), for dinner, where she says now she recognized immediately a “creepy glint” in his eye but nonetheless continued to have a professional relationship with him for a short time because she was hoping for that poster."
assbot: Christie Blatchford: The Twitter trial of Gregory Elliott is becoming much like Twitter itself shrill and uber-sensitive | National Post
chetty: "it very likely represents an overly broad infringement upon free speech. "// nice if a little understated
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12050 @ 0.0007992 = 9.6304 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: new product: Creepy Eye Glint Remover
ThickAsThieves: For charitable graphic designers everywhere!
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22800 @ 0.0007992 = 18.2218 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 198 @ 0.00299998 = 0.594 BTC [-]
artifexd: chetty: I very much enjoyed that heuristics doc. Thank you.
assbot: exchange.bitparking.com
kakobrekla noticed doublec on non btc irc chans a few weeks ago.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40200 @ 0.00079666 = 32.0257 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 352 @ 0.00299998 = 1.056 BTC [-]
chetty: <artifexd> chetty: I very much enjoyed that heuristics doc. Thank you.// yeah I am reading a little at atime, much food for thought
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 57 @ 0.01505 = 0.8579 BTC [-]
assbot: Goldman Turns Cautious on Stocks, Bonds - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: "The call comes after Goldman’s U.S. equity strategy team last week went from bear to bull on U.S. stocks. "
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24650 @ 0.00079654 = 19.6347 BTC [-]
FabianB: "jurov:it needs another s.dice" <- isn't s.bbet like it, just not as popular, less dividend but less risk?
FabianB: jurov: or by s.dice you mean popular, high risk, high dividend, short lifetime?
HeySteve: gribble stale link bug seems resolved
thestringpuller: FabianB: BitBet can incur a loss if the house bets go sour.
FabianB: short term, yes
FabianB: thestringpuller: but a lot less likely owner disappearing
thestringpuller: I like the way you think FabianB
thestringpuller: Long term the bets will likely always have profit, versus short term which could incur loss.
FabianB: but of course that's only good for investors, not so good for brokers i guess (less hektik trading happening)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 189 @ 0.00299935 = 0.5669 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12067 @ 0.00079983 = 9.6515 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15787 @ 0.00080206 = 12.6621 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23343 @ 0.00079802 = 18.6282 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1157 @ 0.00079644 = 0.9215 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell ThickAsThieves i went to school with the carbon copy of the singer in the strange negotations video. if my buddy plays his cards right, that'll be him in 5-10 years
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: p.s. been watching russia television lately ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 13 @ 0.16499999 = 2.145 BTC [+]
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: start with warriorforum.com, gfy.com and lessee... bodybuilding.com << creative
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: i propose a new highschool charter. it teaches kids nothing, but smacks them every time they use "going to" << and "get/got"
FabianB: $depth x.eur
empyex: FabianB: [X.EUR] Bids: 750 @ 0.00221889 500 @ 0.00200000 2000 @ 0.00120000 2000 @ 0.00100000
empyex: FabianB: [X.EUR] Asks: 750 @ 0.00222853
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: decimation most of humanity lives on less than ten bux a week. << one thing if you have fambly support, another if you're a gweilo, gringo, etc.
jurov: FabianB: 10BTC worth of s.dice would easily pay old coinbr monthly fee of 0.19 BTC from dividends
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people. << and yet taleb survives in nyc just fine
jurov: 10BTC worth of s.bbet won't pay current monthly fee
bitcoinpete: benkay: can't be arsed with scamwatch << leave that to the professionals ;)
FabianB: ;;ticker --currency eur --last
gribble: 442.128588
FabianB: jurov: doesn't seem to be something out there that attracts masses and is not too risky since jd
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 651 @ 0.00299998 = 1.953 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.68944380 BTC to 12`589 shares, 13420 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 15.04184304 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1308 satoshi per share
jurov: i thought DERPs might be attractive... but it hinges on people putting bitcoins in for indeterminate time,
jurov: while there are neither dividends nor MMing to ensure price follows NAV with some liquidity...
jurov: it will end up like S.NSA - if someone invested 100BTC he now cannot get out more than 13BTC without major loss
FabianB: s.nsa will pay dividends
jurov: eventually. and DERP won't do even that.
jurov: i can buy d.* or f.derp and then wait for months for positive or negative hype to cause someone to buy my shares at better price
jurov: which event may never come
jurov: or it will come but market won't react at all, as usual on mpex
FabianB: maybe it's more like bitbet bets (the derps)
jurov: bitbet has clear closing date
FabianB: set your bet and wait until it's resolved
jurov: and on bitbet, you can always support either side
FabianB: closing yes, but not resolution
jurov: here mp explicitly said "bids/asks availability is not guaranteed"
FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no
assbot: BitBet - Bitstamp out of business in 2014 :: 0.07 B (21%) on Yes, 0.26 B (79%) on No | closing in 4 months 6 days | weight: 46`695 (100`000 to 1)
jurov: on bitbet, if i place 10btc on Yes and advertise the bet, there is a chance someone props up the other side
jurov: and i can always add something to No side
jurov: and the closing date is clear, it is not expected to be any delays there
jurov: with D.BSTP/F.DERP, i can buy more than 10BTC
jurov: but closing date is unknown
jurov: and if situation gets interesting, mp can pull asks, leaving me unable to add something to other side
jurov: plus, like the s.nsa example, it may be impossible to get out
FabianB: so to use derps you need to be more confident about your bet than on bitbet?
jurov: i'm just saying it's much bigger risk than bitbet
FabianB: as for s.nsa or s.bbet i agree it's a little odd that it's not traded more actively, and why ppl mostly buy at IPO and not later
jurov: imo it's easily understandable - why would anyone buy stocks with completely unclear time horizon?
punkman: jurov, but it works if you are a Bitstamp believer
jurov: and risk having bitcoins frozen on mpex?
jurov: for years?
jurov: punkman: find me some bitstamp believers who don't hate mircea
punkman: jurov, that is a problem for all the D series, indeed
jurov: well, anoher factor
thestringpuller: !up Basquiat_
FabianB: jurov: but why buy into s.nsa at IPO then, time horizon was always unknown ?
jurov: believers did
jurov: others wait till nsa ships
thestringpuller: DERPS aren't resistant to volatility.
thestringpuller: if BTC market cap grows (in terms of fiat) DERPS stay the same, and the implicity valuation rises.
FabianB: another interesting point you say is: you think everyone on mpex is trading on the same side; no-one is on the other, sinc e the other side wouldn't use mpex
jurov: i hope not, but...
pigeons: no there is a lot of truth to that
thestringpuller: hence S.DICE bubble
thestringpuller: wasn't the S.DICE buyback lower than the implicit NAV?
pigeons: it was for more than it was trading for.
pigeons: i dont know how you are determining "implicit NAV" the value was based on dividends paid from earnings from bets, which greatly fluctuated
pigeons: the bankroll was not included as an asset for purposes of the share ownership. share ownership only gave you a claim to earnings
pigeons: which sometimes were losses
punkman: even if you don't get the believers to trade, you get them to pass up 2.5x discount and maybe consider that keeping their BTC might be better than giving them to random derps.
pigeons: that you had to make up the next month
fluffypony: so maybe the DERPs would have been better suited to have been run on Havelol by an independent intermediary
pigeons: i imagine they can still run passthroughs if they choose, like they did with DICE
pigeons: so that is a counterpoint, if there was sufficent demand, someone likely would run a passthrough
pigeons: they had really fat commissions on the S.DICE passthroughs
punkman: I'd expect insiders might be keen to buy DERPs when on the verge of IPO
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 213 @ 0.0038629 = 0.8228 BTC [-] {4}
pigeons: well, the ipo lets them cash out their crap legally, i dont think they would want to jeopardize that, they will make enough of a killing on an ipo
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 544 @ 0.00290749 = 1.5817 BTC [-] {9}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 570 @ 0.00290234 = 1.6543 BTC [-] {6}
jurov: that's the point, i expect f.* to be impossible to liquidate, unless there is a leak or "leak"
pigeons: so far that seems accurate
Basquiat_: only way to properly value s.dice would be dcf
FabianB: $avg
empyex: FabianB: 596.96
FabianB: $t f.mpif
FabianB: $vwap f.mpif
FabianB: $t f.mpif
empyex: FabianB: F.MPIF 1 day: no data 7 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91618 btc: 18.94754896 30 day: average: 0.00020681 high: 0.00021513 low: 0.00019 volume: 91618 btc: 18.94754896
FabianB: since jd isn't a big part of f.mpif anymore pricing got more difficult and trading volume went down
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021707 B (Total: 474.69 B). Delta: -0.59 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00019 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: <benkay> http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2014/07/23/3463562/arizonas-execution-botched/ << Saw this. Shame the least expensive ingredient is the one people seem to be skipping.
assbot: Arizona's Execution Attempt Goes Horribly Wrong As Man Remains Alive Nearly 2 Hours After Injection | ThinkProgress
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: this was always a puzzle to me - why don't they simply shoot them ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: TO have the pretense of greater civilization
asciilifeform: and if poison is supposed to be 'humane' and this is a thing - there are poisons that knock victim out in seconds
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Right, the traditional three drug cocktail is two for comfort and once those set in a metric fuckton of KCl to rapidly induce electrical heart and brain death
asciilifeform: what happened to, e.g. cyanide ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Cynide abandons the pretense of greater civilization by being explicitly a poison. This pretense only holds if it is a medical looking even. Also... cyanide is probably onjectionable to the executioner as it presents a risk to them.
assbot: $46k Spent on Bitcoin Mining Hardware: The Final Reckoning
asciilifeform vaguely recalls reading a short story on alt.sex.somethingorother years ago, where in 'the dark future (TM)' the condemned are injected with an alien 'fireworm' that eats them alive for weeks at a time. but everyone is told that they were killed quickly and 'humanely' - and somehow this is supposed to be a greater punishment
mircea_popescu: good morning chatty bunch
kakobrekla: heroin od is also uncivilized ?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22200 @ 0.00079644 = 17.681 BTC [-]
asciilifeform wonders if any american state has tried bumping off convicts with cocaine
ThickAsThieves: <+bitcoinpete> ;;later tell ThickAsThieves i went to school with the carbon copy of the singer in the strange negotations video. if my buddy plays his cards right, that'll be him in 5-10 years /// David Bazan is probably a top 3 artist for me
ThickAsThieves: ;;later tell mike_c audio is done, just printing finals now
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: <kakobrekla> heroin od is also uncivilized ? << Well, there's the part in there where asphyxiation tends to be the cause of death. Really an aesthetic problem.
bitcoinpete: ThickAsThieves: neat. i'll pass it along :D
HeySteve: hmm, how do they put animals to sleep? that mix seems to work well and is presumably humane
HeySteve: when the vet injected my poor old cat, she went quickly and quietly
BingoBoingo: <HeySteve> hmm, how do they put animals to sleep? that mix seems to work well and is presumably humane << Depends on the animal and its size.
asciilifeform: the one common anthropological thread i see here is that most governments insist on some 'national' symbolic meaning in their chosen means of execution. e.g., the french guillotine across all five 'republics'
asciilifeform: when usa was a techno-power, electric chair was king
asciilifeform: banana republics, soviet world - shooting
HeySteve: asciilifeform, did the Russians have firing squad?
HeySteve: ah right
asciilifeform: HeySteve: traditional civilian execution in russia involves a single bullet (firing squad is seen as 'military', not befitting a common criminal)
HeySteve: ok. I know they shoot people in China, not sure billing the families for the bullet is an urban legend
asciilifeform: china follows the russian tradition
HeySteve: "Stoning remains a legal form of judicial punishment in Iraq, Mauritania, Saudi Arabia, Somalia, Sudan, Yemen, Northern Nigeria, Aceh in Indonesia, Brunei, and Pakistan;"
HeySteve: that's a bit rough by comparison to other methods
asciilifeform: so from this it follows that the current ceremony (injection with not-quite-poisons in an elaborate pseudo-medical setting) also symbolizes something about modern usa, re: national character.
chetty: bring back hemlock
HeySteve: death by obamacare
asciilifeform: there are other interestingly perverse aspects of how prisoners are kept in usa prior to execution
asciilifeform: for instance, a squad of jailers watches over the condemned for weeks, months, years - to ensure that he doesn't suicide and cheat the executioner - and the court - of their spectacle
mircea_popescu: omfg i woke up with an article! and you people already wrote another here! I WILL NEVER CATCH UP NAO
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1023 @ 0.00290143 = 2.9682 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> banana republics, soviet world - shooting << that's just nazi wannabe-ism.
mircea_popescu: <HeySteve> ok. I know they shoot people in China << notrly, they have a van arrangement.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what aspect of 20th c.-style government isn't.
asciilifeform: china << they're experimenting with poison, from purely pragmatic considerations (can sell organs)
mircea_popescu: !up anthor
kakobrekla: !up nagzter
kakobrekla: !up Basquiat_
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just tried to put stuff in bash and it said 37 is not correct captcha
mircea_popescu: what am i doing wrong.
mircea_popescu: i tried 35 too just to be sure.
kakobrekla: math expired.
nagzter: kakobrekla: thanks!
mircea_popescu: !s nagzter
mircea_popescu: trying to recall who you were.
nagzter: I'm not very chatty
nagzter: also sometimes being a girl in IRC...
nagzter: means I skip around
mircea_popescu: what, you're a girl too ?
nagzter: YES!
mircea_popescu: welcome lol.
nagzter: I always assumed the "nag" part gave it away
mircea_popescu: you could just be jewish.
nagzter: well you know how it goes... sometimes a channel swerves to "lol boobs"
nagzter: funny I am heritage wise, my grandfather was 100% Russian Jew
chetty: the womins is taking over, hurrah
mircea_popescu: nagzter that's well taken care of here.
nagzter: chetty: Yay!
mircea_popescu: chetty yeah check that out, the only asshole channel in bitcoin is where all the women are. clearly antontwerpulous is right, everyone else needs to put more trigger warnings and be careful what they say.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 263 @ 0.0029 = 0.7627 BTC [-] {2}
chetty: absolutely, no misogynists here pls :)
nagzter: THIS
nagzter: do all the channels have a !s command?
mircea_popescu: nagzter nah.
nagzter: that's slick
chetty: the chan of many talents
nagzter: Cool.
nagzter: So I'm not a coder or a miner.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20200 @ 0.00079627 = 16.0847 BTC [-] {2}
nagzter: I kind of collect a bunch of coins and do a little trading
nagzter: I'm an artist and designer and my husband made a coin
nagzter: Now you know what most channels I chat in know ;)
mircea_popescu: nagzter http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << this is where the boobs come from.
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
HeySteve: oh nagzter, I met you in Ancient Beast channel
mircea_popescu: what coin did your husband make ?
nagzter: Yes!
nagzter: I haven't played yet (I do loved turn based games!)
nagzter: mircea_popescu: RobotSexNickels!
nagzter: Totally SFW
mircea_popescu: is this like a joke coin ?
nagzter: it's new!
nagzter: It's a little silly, but we're on a couple of exchanges
nagzter: he's working on a "real" coin and needed the practice
nagzter: the graphics are slick if I do say so myself!
mircea_popescu: the official joke coin of b-a is, ofcourse, altcoin.
nagzter: haha
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 270 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 12k High: 242 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
atcbot: 30k@278 31k@275 955@270 | 45k@210 50k@203 100k@202
nagzter: 11:02 mircea_popescu: nagzter http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/ << this is where the boobs come from.
assbot: I’ll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 687182.56 Est. Next Diff: 575848.03 in 900 blocks (#42336) Est. % Change: -16.20
nagzter: lol
nagzter: hey
mircea_popescu: !up the20year1
the20year1: but this whole gpg thing is still frusterating me
mircea_popescu: from what i gather, your problem was that you were using an old, cached and therefore expred otp ?
the20year1: Well, it alongwith bitcointalk
mircea_popescu: use curl. it doesn't cache stupidly.
DreadKnight: nagzter, would be funny if the joke coin would take off and not the "real" one, twitter scenario
the20year1: Well, that was the original problem, nanotube helped me get past that , the problem now lies with /query (pm) to assbot to self-up
nagzter: DreadKnight: it could happen I suppose
nagzter: People do seem to like the silly name
nagzter: (and the slick graphics ahem)
mircea_popescu: nagzter what, you made them ?
nagzter: That's what I do!
DreadKnight: in dogecoin channel people got hyped about "bacoin" recently and wanted to make it only to find out someone tried that almost an year ago xD
nagzter: I did custom icons for the wallets and designed the site
mircea_popescu: the20year1 that's so bizarre tho, you must be doing something out there. it literally is just pm assbot.
mircea_popescu: can you get it to respond to any other command in pm ?
nagzter: such a great name, bacoin
DreadKnight: seems that the original guy who tried failed
the20year1: what assbot commands are there?
the20year1: i can do it with gribble justfine
assbot: Robot Sex Nickels
nagzter: assbot: is smart!
mircea_popescu: the20year1 try !s hey
DreadKnight: nagzter, definitely go for it with your husband for the other coin if you haven't picked a name xD
nagzter: lol
mircea_popescu: Amazing Assbot
the20year1: assbot: 1900 results for 'hey' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=hey
assbot: 1900 results for 'hey' - #bitcoin-assets search
the20year1: that's what I returned from assbot
mircea_popescu: cool so then do !up once you're id'd with gribble
DreadKnight: it's fun how assb0t sometimes flames people
HeySteve: the20year1, had the same problem yesterday
the20year1: and that's where I was getting that error (the you must be voiced to do this command) or whatever
mircea_popescu: nagzter not bad lookin'.
nagzter: I haven't seen that yet!
nagzter: thanks mircea_popescu
DreadKnight: funny*
mircea_popescu: the20year1 odd. well mebbe kakobrekla finds something.
nagzter: The robot is a blender model, but the rest is mine
HeySteve: hey DreadKnight. I had a thought about the game, would giving the creatures and "summoner" a single manapool work?
the20year1: HeySteve: how did you fix it?
HeySteve: the20year1 I didn't, it just went away today. yesterday I could auth with alt gribble. didn't try restarting browser to wipe any saved data tho
the20year1: alright, i guess i'll try it today
the20year1: because I tried it via pigin IRC and IRCCloud and neither worked
the20year1: now my next question is once you !up yourself, is it only a 30m voice?
DreadKnight: HeySteve, well, no mana as there is no magic; there's plasma to protect Dark Priest (summoner) and also make units (so more / better units = less protection, it's a tradeoff); each unit has it's own energy stat, abilities require energy, there's also meditation to replenish that, but if an unit gets damaged in a round above a treshold (more than endurance stat), then the unit gets no regen it's next turn (regrowth for health and m
DreadKnight: editation for energy)
kakobrekla: bash flushed
the20year1: what game is this?
nagzter: Ancient Beast!
kakobrekla: <the20year1> now my next question is once you !up yourself, is it only a 30m voice? < when you do it over pm, no, given you are authed.
kakobrekla: nagzter get into the wot?
DreadKnight: didn't seemed time limited to me hmm
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 71550 @ 0.00079829 = 57.1176 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: ;;gettrust assbot DreadKnight
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask DreadKnight!~DreadKnig@unaffiliated/dreadknight. Trust relationship from user assbot to user DreadKnight: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 2 via 2 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=DreadKnight | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=DreadKnight | Rated since: Sun Apr 7 16:22:29 2013
fluffypony: you're in assbot's L2 trust, DreadKnight
fluffypony: so there's no time limit for you
DreadKnight: HeySteve, hopefully that makes sense to you; will show you wip document design next week, hopefully you'll have more questions about things not clear enough
HeySteve: DreadKnight, wasn't aware of that tradeoff, makes sense. that's the kind of mechanic I was suggesting, like you could use a lot of powerful unit abilities or summon a lot of creatures, but not both as a strategy
HeySteve: yeah I didn't get that from testing it
chetty: V 44. The alpha person at a gathering of "high status"
chetty: persons is often, detectably, the waiter.(Taleb)
mircea_popescu: the20year1 tried via webirc ?
mircea_popescu: and no, it's permanent.
DreadKnight: HeySteve, there's setting for limiting number of units; they're pretty big compared to HoMM games anyway; combat field gets more crowded easier, especially in 2vs2
mircea_popescu: chetty oh that guy... he's so dreamy...
DreadKnight: HeySteve, keep in mind higher level units cost way more, there's a cost formula
the20year1: webirc will be the next one i try
kakobrekla: dont change the car when it only needs gas.
DreadKnight: HeySteve, so basically you have the whole moba type of game team under your own management instead of having to rely on random idiots and hope they're doing the right thing;
DreadKnight: HeySteve, squishy units that either do a lot of damage or are meant for support and really tanky units that are meant to protect others and take damage
asciilifeform: 'For social mobility to work, it needs to be a two-way highway, with a large number of pre-rich and an almost as large one of post-rich.' -- from the taleb link
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17950 @ 0.00080251 = 14.4051 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: nah, why not make everyone rich
DreadKnight: some people would get poor in no time anyway, as they originally were
DreadKnight: well, not "some", but most
HeySteve: rich people becoming poor? socialism!
DreadKnight: "rich" seems to be more of a state of mind; kinda like you're saying on your blog "pay up or this could wither and die" on your blog mircea_popescu, even though that's not the case, but I like the lesson you're teaching
asciilifeform: 'Mathematicians think in symbols, physicists in objects, philosophers in concepts, geometers in images, jurists in constructs, logicians in operators, writers in impressions, and idiots in words.'
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i was being sarcastique
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah, got that :)
mircea_popescu: and physicists don't think in "objects", what an ignorant thing to say
mircea_popescu: physicists think in wavefunctions.
DreadKnight: energy, intensity, frequency, amplitude
asciilifeform physicists think in wavefunctions << summons zombie of hugh everett
mircea_popescu: no but srsly, "objects" ? what is this, naive physicalism cca 1880 ?
DreadKnight: most physicists actually don't believe in objects and matter, it's all energy or simply nothing
DreadKnight: so matter is like frozen energy
asciilifeform: DreadKnight, mircea_popescu: the physics that yields interesting machinery, vs. 20th.c navel gazing, was done by folks who 'thought in objects' more often than not.
mircea_popescu: and i'll venture to say that pretty much all the good philosophers similarly don't think in "concepts", whatever that is, but in a sort of equivalent of the wavefununction, except it has two major irreducible statements. one's systematic the other historical.
mircea_popescu: but any philosopher worth his salt will interact not with a "concept" but with either the graph of that concept's history in the mind of man,
mircea_popescu: or else with the graph of that concept and its relations.
DreadKnight: otherwise he'll have a hard time explaining things to people
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i disagree. see the short cathode tv.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: minkowski, weyl. 'objects', pre-20th c.
mircea_popescu: the SHORT cathode. you know, the one the japs built.
asciilifeform: yes, with sr
mircea_popescu: i suspek you're just trying an underhanded approach to introduce the supremacy of engineers over theoretical physicitsts :D
mircea_popescu: so let's take the baby home : real programmers think in terms of functions and macros,
mircea_popescu: not in terms of variables and values.
asciilifeform sees 20th c. physicists as largely imposters, who 'the good parts - not original, the original parts - not good'
mircea_popescu: (i mean lisp-functions, not int blabla ()-functions)
DreadKnight: Newton's falling apple was likely just a nice story to make people visualize things :P
asciilifeform not a cultist of the engineer, but of folks like j.c. maxwell, who knew exactly how to build a radio - and didn't.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know these impostors knew exactly how to build a cern and did.
asciilifeform: e.g, herr einstein: a junkyard dog, who took credit for the genuinely interesting late 19th. c. work
asciilifeform: cern - navel gazing
mircea_popescu: you dispute it's an actual piece of machinery ?
asciilifeform: it's a machine, sure
mircea_popescu: so then ? you dispute it actually works as described ?
asciilifeform: but makes 'manned space' look useful
mircea_popescu: use is not really a consideration here.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is, in this exact sense, useless.
asciilifeform: cern, other 'strong force' shenanigans are a good example of 'chinese' scholastiwank. the people involved - entirely uninterested in systematization of knowledge, much less practical use
asciilifeform: stamp collectors.
mircea_popescu: nobody's arguing there's a large number of would-be followers in any race, who to the acute observer look more like they're going through the motions
mircea_popescu: rather than actually doing the winning.
asciilifeform: good litmus test - anyone involved with 'strings'
DreadKnight: bitcoin is theoretically an energy allowing to polymorph sheeps into cars and so on, to facilitate exchanges and needs
mircea_popescu: obviously a large number of people who like to identify as physicists are in the situation of people who like to identify as rockstars.
asciilifeform: the string folks explicitly renounced testability of hypothesis! if that isn't an open declaration of charlatanry, what is ?
mircea_popescu: how is this related ?
asciilifeform: notice how every piece of actual 'practical' machinery we have that makes use of 'modern' physics, the physics in question is 1940s or prior ?
mircea_popescu: you ever took a rmi ?
asciilifeform: this is not, as the particle smashers tell us, an accident.
asciilifeform: nmr -> 1930s
mircea_popescu: eh get out.
asciilifeform: plus 1980s computer.
asciilifeform: seriously
asciilifeform: isodor rabi.
mircea_popescu: well if you go at it that way then everything's ancient greek atomism.
mircea_popescu: for that matter, 1940s is 20th century anyway, and sure, engineers take 50 years or so to apply fundamental physics
asciilifeform: nope. the latter - navel gazing. no testability given their tech.
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, 1940 is not pre-qm.
DreadKnight: theoretical physics might seem to have no application atm, but that's the whole point, debating and eventually (hopefully) allowing to grasp more complex concepts and allow for further technological improvements, like being able to go through worm holes and such
midnightmagic: the physics is not 1940s or prior. i have a friend whose PhD was literally pushing the boundaries of particle physics using results obtained from LHC
mircea_popescu: midnightmagic im kinda saving (radio)astronomy here in a compartment, for later.
midnightmagic: the physics is new, even if it's a negative result
asciilifeform: DreadKnight, midnightmagic: not insisting that the particle hijinx have no possible applications, in a far future. just that these applications will require a resurrection of the caliber of men we had 1800-1900.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so you mean einstein ?
midnightmagic: "no new more fundamental particles as of X TeV in the LHC"
mircea_popescu: or who exactly, fermi ? pauli ? the germanz ?
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, things are getting more and more complex now, it takes more work and time
DreadKnight: einstein might have been fake, his wife might have been the smart one
asciilifeform: faraday, maxwell, lorentz, etc
mircea_popescu: you're such an old west fetishist :D
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, just like bitcoin mining is increasing in difficulty
midnightmagic: IMO, in a brand-new field, those singular talents can exist. Once the primary breakthroughs are finished, it requires teams and long-term hard work to push it forward. IMHO anyway. me != physicist.
asciilifeform: DreadKnight: things are getting more and more complex now, it takes more work and time << the motto of the 20th c. intellectual impostor class, in a nutshell.
DreadKnight: midnightmagic, exactly
asciilifeform: 'complexity is irreducible now, the only possible kind of man is now the stamp collector'
asciilifeform: 'encyclopaedists can no longer exist'
mircea_popescu: i'm one, what.
midnightmagic: not to say I disagree with anything you guys are saying fundamentally of course
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: so you know it's a lie.
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, steven hawkings might be smart, but he's stuck in a wheel chair, so not much for him to do besides brainstorm :P
asciilifeform: DreadKnight: his intellectual milieu is more crippling than his paralysis
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what i don't know is that ~everyone~ is pushing it.
mircea_popescu: you don't judge physics by what highschool teachers say about it.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not everyone. just the grant-eaters.
mircea_popescu: who cares about them ?
mircea_popescu: i thot we were discussing teh science not teh politics.
asciilifeform: 100 yrs from now - no one. but they're the ones who get to build machines.
mircea_popescu: wait, your theory is that the 5-6bn spent to build the lhc could have been better employed building what alternative item ?
asciilifeform: false dichotomy. maxwell needed no $b hardware.
mircea_popescu: so then who cares they get to build machines lol.
DreadKnight: things are getting exponentially harder, it's like the needle in the haystack
mircea_popescu: who knows, maybe a golden chicken falls out of it.
asciilifeform: the harm of the mega-machines is not the wasted money, but that nearly every student of physics now believes that the field is inescapably 'about' the machines
asciilifeform: see mircea_popescu's skyscraper example.
DreadKnight: compare making a wagon with space rockets. NASA is dealing with a lot of math, people and money
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform listen, what 99% of a class believes about the field is uninteresting by the definition of the 99%.
mircea_popescu: 99% of students of physics in 1905 believed it's a resolved problem, too.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight nasa just got cut off the pipe, actually.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, I'm glad actually, a NPO like mars one does more interesting stuff
asciilifeform was acquainted with one such '1%' - al schwartz. who has an eminently testable hypothesis re: parity violation, and spent a decade (& counting) trying to score 2 weeks on an eotvos rotor balance. while the charlatans build their $b colliders.
asciilifeform recently tried to check on herr schwartz - he isn't answering. possibly he went 'full perelman' mode.
DreadKnight: a lot of inventions are promoted thanks to their monetization potential, so if there's demand and it sells, it's a good invention
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DreadKnight: it's all business and some luck; a lot of cool stuff is kept hidden just because it's not for the average joe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ah i recall that.
DreadKnight: even the PC was close to being dismissed as crap because of lack of vision from the business man taking a look at it
asciilifeform: herr adelberger (http://www.npl.washington.edu/eotwash) << nomination for Flondor List (tm)
mircea_popescu: how much do two weeks on such a rotor even cost ?
asciilifeform: (short version: adelberger tested all variants of crud, including left- and right-handed machine screws (!) and gleefully pronounced - no parity violation. refused under any pretext to test schwartz and petitjean's 'chiralane' molecule.)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in 2010 i concocted a variant of the test that could be carried out for approx. 50k USD, from scratch. schwartz answered that, in his estimation, the test would work to spec, but results would not be accepted by the field unless carried out on one of the two existing eotvos balances. one - adelberger's, one - chicom.
asciilifeform: adelberger balked. chicoms agreed!
mircea_popescu: so what happened ?
asciilifeform: a few months later, they stopped answering phone. the postdocs who handled the run - desaparecido.
mircea_popescu: this sounds like a great mystery.
asciilifeform: al's hypothesis - the matter entered the jurisdiction of PLA.
mircea_popescu: Pacific Locomotive Association ?
asciilifeform: people's liberation army.
mircea_popescu: Phone Losers of America ? playboy oh.
mircea_popescu: was this in ireland ?
asciilifeform: 中国人民解放军
decimation: if we don't have a maxwell today, where are our faradays and hertzs and lorentzs and heavisides?
mircea_popescu: sounds reasonable. any aspiring writers wanna make this into an optionable script ? :D
mircea_popescu: decimation you know they're not our.
mircea_popescu: and they're probably being reasonable men and women, doing finance and real estate.
asciilifeform: obligatory:
asciilifeform: !s greenspun
decimation: I guess I'm using "our" for "our time", in as much as anyone can 'own' an epoch
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa if you're still looking btw, there's http://mpex.ws/faq.html#11
DreadKnight: all them poor women, not having clothes xD
mircea_popescu: builds character.
asciilifeform: today we learned that mircea_popescu still owns an electron-smashing tv set...
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i was crashing.
mircea_popescu: yest took girl to be nude among hundreds of people for the first time in her life,
mircea_popescu: and also canings.
decimation: I miss my trinitron with its shadow-bars; the LCDs that replaced it just don't have the same dynamic range
mircea_popescu: decimation in fairness, cathode was a well mature tech. lcd is adolescent.
DreadKnight: vinyl records vs digital format all over again
mircea_popescu: it'll prolly be pretty damned good by 2040
decimation: also I wonder when someone decided that displays cannot come in 4:3 aspect ratio anymore
asciilifeform has been using this: http://imgur.com/9NX7eaX as a tv for some years. works great.
assbot: tv - Imgur
decimation: things are getting better comrades
mircea_popescu: cause to make it look like the cinema screen
DreadKnight: decimation, did a lot of research on aspect ratios, seem a lot of older people really miss 4:3
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform da fuck did you do, behead that guy from startrek ?
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asciilifeform: it's a 'dlp' gizmo
asciilifeform: cheap & angry.
asciilifeform: vga/dvi in, picture out.
benkay: cooked up a decent one last night: "shartup"
decimation: do you use a screen on the wall or painted white wall?
asciilifeform: decimation: rollup screen.
asciilifeform: 2 metre diagonal.
mircea_popescu: !s shartup
mircea_popescu: hm i coulda sworn i saw it b4
decimation: on an old-school tripod stand?
benkay: !s fartup
asciilifeform: hangs from ceiling
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, which guy from star trek, the borg? xD
benkay: ;;ud shart
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mircea_popescu: chetty: II 5. France took Algeria, hoping for a country to eat cassoulet and instead France is now eating couscous. << this is what happens when small penis messes with big penis.
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight that engineer guy.
mircea_popescu: benkay ud helpfully neglects to mention it's a gay problem.
benkay: heh
mircea_popescu: hetero scum don't gain the ability to relax their bunghole quite to the degree.
benkay: not even the reamed girls?
mircea_popescu: i was thinking of people, not women.
benkay: hue
mircea_popescu: ahhh epic.
asciilifeform: decimation: if you buy a gizmo like this, get the roll screen, walls aren't nearly as reflective.
benkay: most dick-havers aren't people to be fair
mircea_popescu: benkay i am a calophile. that's one who takes great enjoyment in callousness.
mircea_popescu: (actually it's one who enjoys words formally, but nevertheless)
decimation: asciilifeform yeah I think that's the most economic way to get a big screen
benkay: calluses are gross.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, oh, La Forge, the black guy with visor
asciilifeform: decimation: total cost of all the widgets ~= 1k usd, and that was ages ago
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight i didn't notice his skin tone.
mircea_popescu: buncha racists in this chan.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, haha, "afro american" or something; star trek maintained a bit of diversity to seem non racist
DreadKnight: forgot the term, native african? hmm
mircea_popescu: and even gave bridge bunnies actual roles.
DreadKnight: yes :3
DreadKnight: haven't seen the star trek with female captain yet though
mircea_popescu: "Here Are My Official Comments on the" dude who the fuck is this guy lol. someone made counterfeit comments on his behalf ?
mircea_popescu: "I am an attorney and Certified Public Accountant with a Master's Degree in Accounting. "
mircea_popescu: READ MY BOOK: "REDEEMING CHRIST" I've decided to serialize and publish on this blog a book that I've been working on for some time
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves where do you find them!
asciilifeform: redeeming christ << like those aluminum cans one can redeem at recycler plant for five cents ?
DreadKnight: I was thinking about it as well xD
benkay: * asciilifeform wonders if any american state has tried bumping off convicts with cocaine // i appreciated this pun
fluffypony: that's the Sean King thing? I quite enjoyed his letter, though, I thought he put things in a way that was nicely digestible to the non-technical types
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform well, he's trying to be clever, in the manner of an accountant
mircea_popescu: you see, the direct is "christ the redeemer", so wuldn't it be all edgy and creative to reverse it ?
DreadKnight: drugs are the easiest to get in prisons, most can OD there anytime at will
mircea_popescu: fluffypony the problem with me is that my reader is configured to quickly drop. which will probably warrant the neverending hatred of the asciilifeforms of the future on account of me having skipped who knows what valuable item of some valuable fellow on the grounds that that fellow wasn't either mentally organised enough for my taste or maybe not versed in teh variety speak or who knows.
mircea_popescu: i try to compensate by being a quite public asshole about it, tho. should work.
mircea_popescu: but anyway : i can't get to the letter, because i can't read the "official oppinions" of accountants who wrote a book called redeeming christ.
mircea_popescu: it's just me.
DreadKnight: every time I hear that book title it really craps me up :D
mircea_popescu: you mean cracks ?
DreadKnight: cracks* damn
mircea_popescu: don't get the cocaine and the dumps all bumped up together now
mircea_popescu: benkay ^ for your consideration.
DreadKnight: I'm starting to not get mad about religious people anymore and actually get a laugh or two, finally
mircea_popescu: since no more gf ?
benkay: if your coke has lumps either someone on you has dumped or you yourself is trying to bump
mircea_popescu: http://devilsadvocate.biz/strange-negotiations/ << im starting to like tat's blogging.
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mircea_popescu: benkay that sounded like the sweet singer of michigan if she were emo and trying to fit in with the hip crowd.
mircea_popescu: ( http://trilema.com/2010/literara-este-grea/ in case anyone dun know j.a. moore)
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benkay: <DreadKnight> in dogecoin channel people got hyped about "bacoin" recently and wanted to make it only to find out someone tried that almost an year ago xD
benkay: // bsas? bitcoin-assets?
punkman: bacon?
benkay: oh god
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benkay: if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them
asciilifeform: bsas? bovine serum albumens ?
mircea_popescu: personally, i blame stand-up "comedians"
mircea_popescu: they keep doing this thing.
benkay: comedy is dead in america.
mircea_popescu: that's how bacon got to be the cancerous forced meme it is.
benkay: well it is covered in activated carbon
mircea_popescu: (amusingly, maddox was harping about beef jerky before teh mainstream picked it up as bacon)
DreadKnight: benkay, are you a vegetarian?
punkman: jerky is so much better than bacon
punkman: fluffypony: next time you come to eu, smuggle some bilton for me
punkman: *biltong
benkay: <mircea_popescu> i suspek you're just trying an underhanded approach to introduce the supremacy of engineers over theoretical physicitsts :D // this needs introduction?
benkay: !s benkay steak
benkay: DreadKnight: don't make me google for you too
DreadKnight: benkay, gotcha
mircea_popescu: benkay course.
fluffypony: punkman: I can try, the sniffer dogs are pretty hardcore with that
punkman: fluffypony: where?
mircea_popescu: you recall, i'm the gadfly. i said the boboo about coders too, like finance people, heresies pile one.
asciilifeform: re: dogs: anyone remember baldaev?
HeySteve: hmm biltong for bitcoin, could be the next silk road
fluffypony: punkman: at the airport on the way out
asciilifeform: !s baldaev
benkay: well hey finance god tier eh?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony they don't let you take it OUT ?!
asciilifeform: turns out his profession was - police dog trainer & handler.
DreadKnight: !up HeySteve
punkman: mircea_popescu: yeah wat
asciilifeform: he wrote an interesting autobio (afaik, never translated) about his dog work
HeySteve: thx DreadKnight but that's working now
asciilifeform: turns out, he writes, one of the most reliable ways to get bitten by such an animal is to give it the impression of attempting to feed it
DreadKnight: HeySteve, noticed your comment late
benkay: mircea_popescu: i only know the modern scientists, whose sole job is to do worthless "science" on government-allocated capital. which is crimes all over on so many levels.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: correct - you can't take "raw" meat out the country
asciilifeform: a police dog (at least, ones trained in the russian tradition) will attack if fed by a stranger.
punkman: fluffypony: can you mail it?
fluffypony: punkman: no, but there are some export-approved biltong shops
fluffypony: san giorgios and takis
mircea_popescu: benkay lettuce not confuse the fakers for the job they're faking.
DreadKnight: that reminds me of shops around saying they got natural ice-cream for sale.
benkay: all i know is fakery!
mircea_popescu: just because a buncha muricans pretend to be scientists shouldn't sour one on science,
mircea_popescu: just like their pretend poets shouldn't sour one on poetry.
benkay: point me to some science happening right now
fluffypony: punkman: I'll have to see how well I have to hermetically seal it to take it in my hand luggage, then I'll take a few kgs with me and just run the risk of it getting confiscated
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: a petrified forest is not a forest.
mircea_popescu: i don't have to.
benkay: not claiming it doesn't exist, just that i'm ignorant.
mircea_popescu: ah. well i dunno, i dun follow it much.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know, between the meta-nsa nd the petrified forest you got a very dissonant thing going. how about the petrified-nsa and the meta-forest ?
asciilifeform not convinced of the physical existence of meta-nsa. it's a gedanken-nsa.
mircea_popescu: benkay would you accept the fermat theorem as research ?
punkman: fluffypony, I've only tried imitations made in EU, I imagine the real thing will be even better
mircea_popescu: i mean, obviously valuable scientific research doesn't happen in the govt pen. this is hardly surprising. for that matter, europe has a lrge number of "incubators" for start-ups, even timisoara has one, london thinks it dominates this field
kuzetsa: punkman: pure beef?
mircea_popescu: yet the only bilion dollar eu start-up to date happened outside of all that.
asciilifeform: if 'meta-nsa' exists in the flesh, it's probably an assemblage of one grey-haired officer and his two dozen or so apprentices, embedded deep within the scar tissue of usg and surviving in spite of, rather than due to, the overall management.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so basically you're saying, "if meta-nsa exists, it's a mirror of b-a"
asciilifeform: more or less.
mircea_popescu: this alone...
mircea_popescu: is worth its weight in bitcoinz.
punkman: kuzetsa: well yeah, it's a cut of meat, not like processed jerky
asciilifeform: general mosquito must have his general mosquitospray.
fluffypony: punkman: yeah, you can buy the real spices from a bunch of places in the EU, and there are expats that know how to make biltong, but I think the local beef + conditions in the parts of the Western Cape that are home to speciality producers outweigh anything produced overseas
asciilifeform: !s general mosquito
asciilifeform: ;;google general mosquito spray
gribble: Reading about the Liberian civil war - are they pulling my leg ...: <https://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20110111133852AArTqht>; Sam Bockarie - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sam_Bockarie>; Into the Heart of Darkness | American Renaissance: <http://www.amren.com/features/2013/03/into-the-heart-of-darkness/>
decimation: I wonder if anyone from meta-nsa lurks here?
mircea_popescu: decimation behind 7 proxies ha-ha ?
asciilifeform: 'the man who was thursday'
kuzetsa: [15:09:42] <+mircea_popescu> kuzetsa if you're still looking btw, there's http://mpex.ws/faq.html#11 << the broken link is un-helpful: <a href="http://bitcoin-assets.com/mpex-socket/">socket connection</a>
mircea_popescu: foodz and his merry gang have been doing overtime translating and summarizing trilema in teh basements of romania's saas
mircea_popescu: (that country is so mercenary it even does spying as a service)
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa s/co/ws/
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: uhm... so the link should be bitcoin-assets.ws/mpex-socket or what?
asciilifeform: at this point, the polish, latvian, and, yes, romanian, rent-a-rack torture shoppes frequenced by usa are world famous.
mircea_popescu: uh second
asciilifeform: (why usa cannot produce a working rack remains a mystery)
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa ah i think you gotta pay kako for access to that ?
kuzetsa: subscription or one-time?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why can't it produce a fucking radio set ?
asciilifeform: same reason, certainly.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa gotta talk to kakobrekla
kuzetsa: hmm :(
decimation: ascii the object of the rack has rights
asciilifeform: perhaps somewhere in the bowels of meta-DHS there works an old soviet specialist who gets results.
DreadKnight: <benkay> if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them <-- I hate words with multiple meanings, because they tend to complicate things, so I really hate Apple for having that name, should be illegal imo *sigh*
decimation: radio sets are aplenty for the DoD, for golden toliet prices
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa anyway, i appreciate the girl's shaved and trimmed. clearly she'd make a decent fuck toy.
mircea_popescu: !up gilgames1ugga
punkman: strapless strapons look so uncomfortable
kuzetsa: punkman: they're not
kuzetsa: the strap ones are worse
asciilifeform: wtf is the point of a single-ended 'strapon' anyway
mircea_popescu: punkman thats intended to stimulate the clit
asciilifeform: shouldn't it, in principle, be an 'adapter' a la rs232?
punkman: asciilifeform: it's double-ended
DreadKnight: <kuzetsa> https://40.media.tumblr.com/05f223816f861d3837ee8b0517ffe8cb/tumblr_n7082hXKbh1ty9k88o1_500.jpg unrelated <-- supposedly some nerdy gamer chick from the tattoo and color of skin :3
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it is. there's a lumpy thing lodges inside the vagina and a proby thing going upfront.
mircea_popescu: a better tech solution than the strapon really.
mircea_popescu: took a while for things to switch because the strapon seems so intuitive.
mircea_popescu: but really, this is the correct approach
punkman: isn't the lever inside the vagine painful when in more vigorous use>?
kuzetsa: punkman: not sure what you mean about a lever O_O ... they're designed so the muscles can get a good grip and gspot stim and whatnot
mircea_popescu: punkman you have no idea what the vagina can take.
asciilifeform wonders why the gay folks never built a 'f2m' adapter - think strap-on 'fleshlight'...
punkman: I have some idea!
mircea_popescu: ok, some idea :D
mircea_popescu: moreover : nothing is painful to the sexually aroused woman.
kuzetsa: yeah uhm... they're kinda designed for pushing out noisy funny shaped crotchfruit the weight of a bowling ball
mircea_popescu: may be a little sore after.
mircea_popescu: !up Petrodriller_
mircea_popescu: and girl-boy-dildo should totally be a pronsite.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: you mean the name for one?
mircea_popescu: !up jumae
punkman: is .dildo a TLD yet?
kuzetsa: come to think of it, I think I saw some pegging porn on my tumblr dash in the past week :)
mircea_popescu: FabianB: jurov: or by s.dice you mean popular, high risk, high dividend, short lifetime? << hopefully wol does the better parts of dice.
mircea_popescu: kuzetsa this dumbing down of terminology offends me! pegging is when fresh cut ginger is applied prior to twenty or more solid cane swats.
kuzetsa: ;;ud pegging
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kuzetsa: uh huh
punkman: mircea_popescu: that's figging
kuzetsa: punkman: I though figging was generally considered anal ginger play
kuzetsa: ;;ud figging
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=figging | figging. A peeled ginger root, shaped like a slender butt plug, inserted into the anus without lubrication of any kind. The ginger juices cause pain and extreme ...
mircea_popescu: no, figging is when you put bits of fruit in there.
kuzetsa: mircea_popescu: you need more kink in your life, your vocabulary is mismatched to the definitions
mircea_popescu: STOP OPPRESSING ME
kuzetsa: ok, that counts a "close enough" to the safeword **unties**
mircea_popescu: if i happen to have formed a wrong idea it is my god given right as a transcvasimultiultra and so forth to stick to it and nobody can criticize me!
mircea_popescu: !up RooK314
HeySteve: hmm I thought figging was done to horses, to make them run faster in races
mircea_popescu: HeySteve well some people keep fillies for their private entertainment.
kuzetsa: well I tried: "transcvasimultiultra" on bing, and apparently mircea_popescu is a multicultural marketing agent or something
mircea_popescu: i just make up words a lot.
kuzetsa: wait, is bing thinking that's transgender related? I'm so confused now :(
mircea_popescu: !up ryan`c
kuzetsa: I should know better than to trust bing :(
kuzetsa: I wonder if maybe that unrecognized-by-bing type word was part romanian or something?
benkay: mircea_popescu: where'd that gifset come from?
kuzetsa: hmm? figging gifset?
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: there's very little doubt in my mind that if i were in the sort of situation most folk over there enjoy, i'd simply be shooting people. << and yet taleb survives in nyc just fine << yes, he's not in the sort of situation. he's got teh dough.
mircea_popescu: benkay tumblr, linked earlier IN THE LOGS
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benkay: the pre-tumblr source, boss.
benkay: <DreadKnight> <benkay> if these people inhabited a space i would commission nukes and glass them <-- I hate words with multiple meanings, because they tend to complicate things, so I really hate Apple for having that name, should be illegal imo *sigh*
benkay: // glass? do you mean google?
benkay: and also DreadKnight ambiguity is good for your brain.
mircea_popescu: FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no << that's not so often is it ?
mircea_popescu: jurov from what i gather you're looking for a product marketable to the retail investor. that'd likely be mpif. it makes about 1% or so.
mircea_popescu: and has an adequate risk profile. (note that s.dice DID NOT have an adequate risk profile, and the dividends came at considerable capital risk. that the bitcoin retail investor is clueless enough to shove that under the rug makes little difference)
mircea_popescu: jurov: and if situation gets interesting, mp can pull asks, leaving me unable to add something to other side << i shouldn't be the only person in that market. provided anyone gives a shit about the derps themselves or their general market, enough to actually spend the usd they CLAIM to have received in investment, then that market should easily compete with s.mpoe.
mircea_popescu: whether it will or whether it wont fundamentally hinges on whether the vc economy is as relevant for bitcoin as mpoe is. which is a point i can't hardly help i dont think
mircea_popescu: jurov: and risk having bitcoins frozen on mpex? for years? << generally, bitcoin stays frozen somewhere anyway. who cycles bitcoin ?
mircea_popescu: pigeons: no there is a lot of truth to that << there' sa lot of truth to this : there IS NO OTHER SIDE. it's just words on the web.
DreadKnight: benkay, I quoted you, so don't ask me what you meant,lol I just considered you meant to kill them (nuke them) xD
mircea_popescu: i got tons of commends and invitations to discuss and socially groom on the topic of eth. meanwhile, the scammers cycled 5k btc or w/e, at 2k, and i got exactly 0 btc at 5k.
mircea_popescu: now no matter how you dice it, this simply says nobody is doing any buying at all.
DreadKnight: benkay, but yeah, sometimes ambiguity helps making associations and remembering is all about that, plus some brain exercising is not bad, but I thought it's what you had against those people wanting to make a coin called "bacon" or "bacoin"
mircea_popescu: punkman: even if you don't get the believers to trade, you get them to pass up 2.5x discount and maybe consider that keeping their BTC might be better than giving them to random derps. << this is exactly it.
mircea_popescu: glbse idiots didn't move to mpex after i ruined the various "mining" crap. but they DID stop doing it on glbse, and that was that.
DreadKnight: benkay, anyway, associating psychologically something (digital in this case) with food is strange, which I don't like regarding Apple
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: so maybe the DERPs would have been better suited to have been run on Havelol by an independent intermediary << hardly, havelol lists 50% and more directly arbitrageable gaps all the time.
mircea_popescu: basically, if it's not one of the things they misrepresent, it looks like a pig w/o a lipstick.
mircea_popescu: jurov: that's the point, i expect f.* to be impossible to liquidate, unless there is a leak or "leak" << how do you mean ?
punkman: leak of IPO information, and I think he meant d.*
jurov: punkman yes
benkay: DreadKnight: i have no idea where you're getting food. oh - bacon? where's the AAPL connection?
mircea_popescu: jurov punkman i don't follow the logic here. explain to me like i was 5 ?
mircea_popescu: unrelatedly : anyone wanna do some alpha testing of a brand new service ?
mircea_popescu: raise your left toe.
jurov: like i wrote on s.nsa example, no one will put bids till there's some news
mircea_popescu: jurov if you want to sell, why aren't you putting asks up ?
mircea_popescu: the way market works is that if you know what you want to do, you announce it.
mircea_popescu: if yu don't know, then you don't announce.
mircea_popescu: it is sinful to at the same time know and not have announced.
jurov: i have multiple past experiences that one has to wait months for such asks to be sold
mircea_popescu: how low ?
DreadKnight: benkay, bacon is food, apple is food, naming software or hardware after food is somewhat applying psychological manipulation, think about the Pavlov's dog
mircea_popescu: obviously the price and time correlate, i'd think
DreadKnight: benkay, so when you talk about common stuff like food you think about the less known altcoin or hardware company and the other way around, which is evil
jurov: iirc 20% above ipo/long time average price
benkay: the world is full of associations. policing your brain is your own problem, imho.
mircea_popescu: jurov so it'd take months to sell for more than the average ? this is expected no ?
mircea_popescu: but this is a sidepoint anyway, im more interested in the f.* impossible to liquidate thing
benkay: finance must create incentives for long-term investment, otherwise it's not really useful.
DreadKnight: benkay, most people when they hear "apple" get a little more spit in their mouth, it's how psychology works, you have involuntary reflexes which you can't control properly
benkay: DreadKnight: i care zero whits about most people.
DreadKnight: so it's not really my own problem, is something related to our design and the masses
DreadKnight: you are people
kuzetsa: DreadKnight: when I hear "apple" I think of the company and feel a little sick
benkay: jurov et al a huge issue in btc finance right now is the lack of long term plays and the fixation on returns! now!
kuzetsa: then again, I'm not "most peolpe"
benkay: DreadKnight: i am not most people.
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DreadKnight: kuzetsa, me too, it tans the fruit and ties it to hardware and evil
kuzetsa: aww, you got me in a quote? whatever :(
DreadKnight: benkay, that's exactly what most people say xD
mircea_popescu: benkay well he has a serious problem with a bunch of kids that wish to be made rich by bitcoin through nothing more than just that.
mircea_popescu: which... yeah, i can see it'd be a problem.
jurov: i mean, if i wanted to liquidate s.nsa, i'd have to sell for 90% and still wait till it gets filled
jurov: same happened with f.mpif recently
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, mainly I have a problem with Apple and who allowed it to have that name
benkay: DreadKnight: and yet i'm a baron of la serenissima, and most people are not never will nor ever could.
mircea_popescu: jurov you mean the ~20 btc that sold for 21ish average and the book is pretty much back ?
DreadKnight: benkay, first that I hear that word, guess it's a location xD
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight no, mainly you're turrning yourself into a problem because you keep beating that dead horse discussion while we're talking finance, which is the overriding topic here.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, very common names can give companies or product a huge boost regarding making those finances
DreadKnight: there's a lot of psychology in branding, can even make or break the products themselves
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: 46k-spent-mining-hardware-final-reckoning << that'd have been a much better post if it actually included numbers. you know, paid this, then, made back this much so far etc.
mircea_popescu: and i guess if it weren't on coindesk. which two are problly synonymous anywaqy.
benkay: i suppose if they're undifferentiable from other chicom-originating crap, DreadKnight. otherwise, there's value provided that a brand has nothing to do with.
benkay: what's the MPEx brand and how does it make or break MPEx?
DreadKnight: benkay, took my quite a bit to remember that MPEx thing and figure out what part of it names stand for, still not sure about the full name; it's an acronym; anyway, stock related stuff is usually named using acronyms and rather obscure compared to regular brands
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DreadKnight: benkay, anyway, was wondering why you said you would nuke those people since you didn't provided an argument; are you against seeing more joke coins or what?
DreadKnight: altcoins are kinda like linux distros nowadays, a lot of people making yet another one for no apparent reason (trying to get rich with not much work), just to change the name and such, hoping they might get lucky
DreadKnight: there are only a few coins that actually bring something new to the table
asciilifeform: DreadKnight: other than (arguably) 'litecoin' - which?
DreadKnight: well, most alt coins change some variables around, just like linux distros change default packages and wallpaper
asciilifeform: right. so which ones bring something new ?
DreadKnight: some try to improve stuff under the hood, but I don't have the technical expertise to figure out if those changes are really improvements
DreadKnight: they're kinda like branches of software, so a bit of experimentation is good to be done in "test areas" rather than on the popular blockchain everybody is using
DreadKnight: it's good to have ltc around, just like there's both gold and silver
DreadKnight: it's not very likely any time soon that all humans will only use a coin, same goes for languages; a lot of people benefit from conversions / exchanges
asciilifeform: DreadKnight: i'd argue that ltc is an experiment ('let's banish asic') that failed.
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DreadKnight: asciilifeform, well, after GPU mining was redundant on btc, a lot of people switched to ltc, but pretty much no coin is worth mining with GPU anymore now
DreadKnight: so it was just a matter of time; mining difficulty keeps increasing
benkay: <DreadKnight> some try to improve stuff under the hood, but I don't have the technical expertise to figure out if those changes are really improvements // if the improvement isn't plain as the nose on my kike face it and everyone behind it are going to get glassed
benkay: improvement on the scale of bitcoin over dollars
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ltc is primarily the politician's captive daughter re "we'll ban bitcoin!"
DreadKnight: yeah, in case btc gets banned, you got more fish in the pond; so either ban "digital currencies" but fiat money kinda got converted to digital with credit cards
DreadKnight: and bank accounts
DreadKnight: so banning digital currencies altogether would be hypocritical
mircea_popescu: it's not merely "more fish in the pond". that's the easy part. "more swimming fishes, that are doing fine in spite of a laundry list of <deffects> you may imagine"
punkman: DreadKnigh, fiat was digital much earlier than computers
mircea_popescu: that spells out "you don't matter" in politician english.
xmj_: you know
xmj_: someone banning bitcoin would be the best thing ever, as it's much like a hydra.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, yeah good point, but I see ltc as the "next missile in line to fire", just in case
mircea_popescu: xmj_ taleb sed so, AndrewJackson even has it in his part message.
chetty: ban bitcoin? might as well try to ban the internet
xmj_: great minds think alike
xmj_: :)
FabianB: <+mircea_popescu> FabianB: isn't on bbet either, often bets with 0.1 on yes and 10 btc on no << that's not so often is it ? <-- no, just saw a few
DreadKnight: punkman, I'm aware, good point as well :) I guess it's were all the banks and money related problems started appearing... and inflation!
mircea_popescu: FabianB link ?
mircea_popescu: chetty moar like, the moon.
chetty: pass a law, it shall not rain until after sundown
xmj_: chetty: whom would you punish if it did?
asciilifeform: any earnest attempted ban would presumably include all blockchain-based tech
chetty: why everyone who noticed of coure
asciilifeform: (the way usa used to ban drugs by name, but now includes a kind of 'regexp' matcher of chemical structure)
xmj_: there's a way around every law; loopholes are built-in by default anyway.
DreadKnight: hah, there are a lot of re-branded pharmaceutical drugs nowadays, basically the same thing as aspiring or other common stuff, just at way higher prices
dub: remembering the internet does get banned periodically in various locales
chetty: if its against the law to rain before sundown then it cannot happen and if you say it did you are guilty of something
DreadKnight: you don't get to see aspiring ads displayed on tv anyway
dub: and parts of it are permanently banned in many places
dub: there are technical measures they could bring against bitcoin
DreadKnight: I like that btc got mentioned quite a few times in a sci-fi / futuristic show called "Almost Human"
asciilifeform wasn't suggesting that bans 'work', but disputing that ltc is any kind of pill against whatever effect a hypothetical ban might have.
xmj_: chetty: like nothing happened on june 4, 1989, in tiananmen square?
asciilifeform: !s tiananmen
DreadKnight: college students had a protest, they were shot by government / military
asciilifeform: DreadKnight: the u.s. state dept.'s version of the events, sure.
chetty: exactly like that, and stalin didnt send anyone to gulags (oh oops actually there wasnt anyone named stalin to do that)
dub: china is not exactly a shining example of freedom
xmj_: dub is missing the point
DreadKnight: asciilifeform, maybe, but at least something got out about the event instead of total darkness
dub: agreed.
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DreadKnight: dub, communism is not freedom; china made own linux distro and imposed it, for a fee, in internet-caffee places and other businesses, kicking microsoft in the nuts and finally taking over
mircea_popescu: <dub> remembering the internet does get banned periodically in various locales << in the sense it's banned in antarctica, sure.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, radio waves melting the ice or what? xD
dub: iraq is the most recent example I'm aware of, but pick anywhere the 'arab spring' reared up
dub: egypt for eg
mircea_popescu: i had internet in egypt.
dub: key word 'periodically'
mircea_popescu: there's two conflated points here. you can ban "consumer" grade shit any time. this is fine but irrelevant. bitcoin is not consumer stuff.
mircea_popescu: banning consumer grade shit usually is accomplished through being poor.
mircea_popescu: this is fine for everyone involved.
mircea_popescu: if us bans cotton tomorrow, or oil, or w/e, it'd simply be because it finally became too poor to afford it.
mircea_popescu: like the house of many bans meat.
chetty: much of the world is already way too dependant on internet, heck its even in soda vending machines now
mircea_popescu: they call it vegetarian or w/e the hell, but facts are facts.
asciilifeform: dub: 'springs' are the time-honoured american method for having a country nailgun itself in the head.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform american really has naught to do with it.
asciilifeform: the american 'spring' will be a sight to behold.
dub: there won't be one
mircea_popescu: dub i'll bet you us population will be under 200mn by 2050.
dub: hey if I had my way it would be under 50
chetty: nah, don forget the migration from the south, they will repopiulate
asciilifeform: ru, eg, sy, ua - got 'sprung.' cn nipped its 'spring' in the bud, which is why we still have the 'middle kingdom' to kick around.
dub: but a spring in the sense of populace uprising, nah
mircea_popescu: dub it won't be identified or self-identify as "populace"
mircea_popescu: nevertheless, the mexican drug cartels already sprung all the way to arizona.
mircea_popescu: this will continue.
asciilifeform: aztlan.
mircea_popescu: there's no particular reason the command center of that continent has to be in the far away east coast.
chetty: I thought they were in Chicago
mircea_popescu: california was and will be happy to continue as a province of mexico city.
mircea_popescu: so you know, the day i can bribe a mexican official to shoot a federal agent for sport...
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mircea_popescu: it might as well have happened. whatever "the populace" did
decimation: if the power of usg wanes to that degree, I think you will see the power return to the localities/states
HeySteve: orlov has a lot to say about the failure of imperial USA, he's not the only one to predict balkanization
chetty: <mircea_popescu> so you know, the day i can bribe a mexican official to shoot a federal agent for sport...//by then it wont matter
decimation: the USA: "they believed their own propaganda bullshit"
mircea_popescu: decimation here's a thought : if the number of us agents executed was small, you'd see a lot of publicity over the cases. the reason you don't hear a peep about it is that..
mircea_popescu: everyone can have problems.
mircea_popescu: chetty that day is in 2008ish.
decimation: I'm not sure that usg is capable of keeping the deaths of its employees secret
asciilifeform pictures the 'black swan' gotcha butthurt when home desktop narcosynthesis makes the whole subject academic.
mircea_popescu: decimation really ?
decimation: someone, somewhere misses the deceased, presumably
mircea_popescu: can you name the people that were butchered in the benghazi pile of lol ?
chetty: decimation, I used to think that, but they dont need to keep secrets, just keep waving flags at more important stuff
mircea_popescu: obviously their mom knows. so what if she does ?
asciilifeform: the people that were butchered in the benghazi pile of lol << is diametric awake?
asciilifeform: i vaguely recall his tale, that one of the casualties was on irc, chronicling his last hours
mircea_popescu: and that was an embassy. not "accidental death" walking down the street.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform one of the casualties was a major part of something awful (ie, where teh libertard community resides. it's a sort of anti-bitcoin, that thing)
decimation: I thought he was playing eve online
mircea_popescu: decimation yes, same one. but that's just one.
asciilifeform: if i recall, last words were 'enemy is at the gates. they've opened fire, oh shi....'
mircea_popescu: now, how many people did cia lose there ? "presumably someone misses them"... well... do you ?
mircea_popescu: who does ?
decimation: chetty: there's a difference between the media trumpeting a fact and the fact being hidden
mircea_popescu: what is the practical difference ?
asciilifeform: easy to hide just about any fact from the porcine 'masses'
asciilifeform: just keep it off the front page.
mircea_popescu: but do this, for your own amusement. compile the list of dead us agents in arizona, new mexico, something, during one year.
mircea_popescu: see hwo it reads.
mircea_popescu: that's the small part.
dub: the good ole' line of dooty
mircea_popescu: you want the prosecutors, you want the FBI, you want the state police, etc.
mircea_popescu: who shoots fucking customs agents.
asciilifeform: now, doesn't it matter whether these corpses became corpses in spite or - or because of - own management?
chetty: even stuff that hits the front page is gone with the next headline
asciilifeform: i.e. were they plugged because they insisted on following the 'letter of the law' re: their duties, with complicity of their own brass
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what matters is relative security. who can prevent whom from messing with their shit.
dub: unrealted: to save a world of goolepain, is teh SR codebase online somewhere?
mircea_popescu: and, perhaps equally importantlky, who cares more.
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mircea_popescu: dub not afak.
asciilifeform: as i understand, the customs inspectors who understand that certain trucks are not to be fucked with, certain hours they should take a smoke break and look away, etc. - are still alive.
mircea_popescu: FabianB it is possible this is a reflection of the actual odds.
FabianB: mircea_popescu: sure
mircea_popescu: i mean warren isn;'t getting a nomination for instance.
chetty: doesnt jet get into the primaries count? Warren will be there I bet
mircea_popescu: i think she has to actually be in the race
mircea_popescu: no idea, haven't read the bet.
asciilifeform: the reason why aztlan hypothesis strikes me as weak, is that it is not clear that the mexicans are one-sidedly thrusting unsolicited cock across the border
asciilifeform: on the contrary, there is an eager recipient for the cock
chetty: usg is a whore
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mircea_popescu: jurov incidentally, this reminds me : supposedly people plunked down 5k btc to be locked away in an ethereum address for at least six months, if not more
mircea_popescu: from what people have been saying here, they expect it to be a year.
asciilifeform: imagine usa were to ban... toilet paper. who would actually profit from the ban being adequately enforced? no one. from lackluster enforcement at every level? everyone.
decimation: well, according to that site 78 officers were killed by gunfire across the entire US in 2012-2013
mircea_popescu: obviously at this point you're addressing the wrong market :D
asciilifeform: what would become of the folks in uniform who insist on following the 'no tp' order to the letter?
asciilifeform: problems.
decimation: I guess I don't see it, I don't think us gov't agents are dying that often, why bother killing them anyway?
mircea_popescu: decimation you know how many people die in romania in a year ?
mircea_popescu: (by gunfire)
decimation: I suspect fewer per capita
asciilifeform: decimation: folks who won't play ball are killed by own side. sometimes via shepherding into 'enemy' line of fire, sometimes directly.
mircea_popescu: allow me to blow your mind : a degree of magnitude fewer per capita than US agents.
chetty: how about how many bankers, that one is getting interesting. Being a banker is not healthy these days
dub: asciilifeform: there's all kinds of upsides to flooding the us with drugs
mircea_popescu: in short : it's dangerous fucking work, working for the dying empire.
asciilifeform: bankers get nailgunned by their own заградотряд.
mircea_popescu: much, much more dangerous than the empire is to the world at large.
decimation: I don't think the usg hides this stuff either, it just gets pushed into statistics that no one reads. The usg has a compulsion to account for itself (in its own crazy way)
asciilifeform: (russia did not invent заградотряд - rome had it. and whatever rome we get 1000 yrs from now will too)
mircea_popescu: in fact, a us agent has better chances of being shot on the job than someone breaking a us law of being sent to jail.
decimation: well, considering that in practice nearly everything can be construed as illegal in the us, that's probably true
mircea_popescu: well, how's that thought sit with you
DreadKnight: Hollywood makes a lot of movies encouraging death in the line of work; patriotism / heroism / martyr bs propaganda / brainwashing
decimation: it's true that the dying empire thing isn't such a great deal anymore
mircea_popescu: kinda the point of posts like the von flondor one. people tend to stop and consider their situation.
asciilifeform: ^ 'barrier brigade of nkvd preparing to 'support' soviet fighters - with machine gun blast in the back.'
asciilifeform: (re: 'заградотряд')
bitcoinpete: man alive you guys wrote a lot in the time it took me to put that blog post together
FabianB: mircea_popescu: point wasn't that the odds might not be right, it was that it might make no sense to put even more in the 99% side
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i had the same problem earlier today
mircea_popescu: FabianB well thatr's only a point if the odds aren't right. if they're right, doubling the 99% side will yield a doubling of the 1% side.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: i thought i could do both at the same time but… not even close. sundays are usually lighter
FabianB: mircea_popescu: only if that's more than the fees
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete sundays aren't what they used to be anymore.
mircea_popescu: FabianB yeah ok, 99% not a good example for sure, yes.
mircea_popescu: but the only two actually over 10 btc bets are also more like 96-97%
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: yup, going back to sabbath on saturdays
decimation: same thing happened in colorado in 1914 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ludlow_Massacre
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mircea_popescu: !up copain_reac
mircea_popescu: decimation fun fact : the deadliest strike in the history of the us bodycount ~= the claimed le bodycount for 2012, in that source of yours.
mircea_popescu: which to me seems to grossly underestimate facts, but hey.
decimation: well, I was just counting uniformed police + their dogs
decimation: if you include the masses the numbers are probably much higher
mircea_popescu: no, that's precisel what i mean.
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mircea_popescu: lol isn't chicago doing 40 a weekend by now ?
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asciilifeform: >> if tired of living, consider becoming a banker or biowarfare specialist.
decimation: or you could volunteer for an ebola clinic
decimation: I wouldn't recommend taking your family
asciilifeform: nah, that's just plain 'professional hazard' - like coal mining.
asciilifeform: vs. fields where the ultimate professional accolade is a silenced bullet
asciilifeform: the 'lead nobel prize'
decimation: as moldbug points out, most folks want to be published in the 'grey lady'
decimation: that's one way to do I guess
asciilifeform: grand prize - you get to sew yourself into a sack and drown in bathtub. runner up - bullet. bronze medal - car crash.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: lol!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ОМОН
asciilifeform: incidentally, this scene could very well be the genuine article. post-'90s russian police routinely search fleshwallets.
bitcoinpete: i irlloled when someone dropped "ham wallet" the other day.
bitcoinpete: goddam imagery of that
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bitcoinpete: DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, oh, La Forge, the black guy with visor << he's coming back to tv soon. as the reading rainbow guy!
bitcoinpete: kickstarter and everything lol
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DreadKnight: bitcoinpete, sounds a bit gay hmm, I'm afraid; he showed up a bit in Big Bang Theory, impersonating himself as a washed up actor overall
DreadKnight: oh, project seems for a good cause; seen a lot of other celebrities crowd fund retarded, random or selfish crap
bitcoinpete: DreadKnight: ya i watched the show as a kid. wasn't terrible or scarring. so better than what's on today i guess
DreadKnight: good stuff
DreadKnight: though 5 million dollars for a digital app for reading is kinda too much
bitcoinpete: DreadKnight: $100k to develop, $5.3mn to market
DreadKnight: bitcoinpete, it's still a lot for development, but yeah
DreadKnight: he's a bit full of crap even in the video, people jaw dropping at his sight lmao
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dub: ahh the forum
dub: 'wahh poopyhead'
DreadKnight: little kids don't even know what star trek is overall
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bitcoinpete: dub: lulz
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: just because a buncha muricans pretend to be scientists shouldn't sour one on science << but it's so easy to throw out the baby with the bathwater! i've been guilty of this too benkay
DreadKnight: seems "la forge" starred in a kid show, lol
asciilifeform: bitcoinpete: so easy to throw out the baby with the bathwater! << esp. when said water in fact contains no baby, but only some quantity of jizm and menstrually jettisoned eggs
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: basically need a nanostrainer
bitcoinpete: arighty. logged up and on my way. bon soir!
dub: asciilifeform: worked for many species for a lot longer than we've been upright
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DreadKnight: music.
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benkay: "Funerals were initially a major source of transmission. "Relatives sometimes fall, cry on the dead body, wash the body," says Temba Morris, who runs a government health clinic in a remote village of roughly 3,000 people near the epicenter of the Sierra Leone outbreak."
benkay: ;;later tell bitcoinpete "Fostering a disciplined and inquisitive mind is the greatest gift you can bestow upon your children, which explains why almost no one gets it right." // shit keeps me up at night, man. just last night i was diagramming out a curriculum in natural philosophy.
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thestringpuller: benkay: my mom is a super teacher, so I was kinda just set.
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benkay: <strike>rib bb about new oglaf</strike>
assbot: Big corn crop, little profit in SE Missouri : News
kakobrekla: !s vwap
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 29900 @ 0.00080238 = 23.9912 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up RebeccaBitcoin
BingoBoingo: !up jMyles
BingoBoingo: !up Anon29486307
TheNewDeal: oh hai
RebeccaBitcoin: Is this where Bitcoin pete hangs out?
BingoBoingo: It is indeed
kakobrekla: ;;seen bitcoinpete
gribble: bitcoinpete was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 2 hours, 41 minutes, and 8 seconds ago: <bitcoinpete> arighty. logged up and on my way. bon soir!
TheNewDeal: well, he's not the only one
benkay: who're you, RebeccaBitcoin ?
RebeccaBitcoin: I'm Rebecca, from coinforum
TheNewDeal: precarious punctuation, benkay?
benkay: TheNewDeal: pardon?
benkay: RebeccaBitcoin: what brings you by? pete piss someone you love off?
RebeccaBitcoin: I was reading Bitcoin Pete's blog and noticed that he frequently chats on irc, and set out to find this elusive place.
benkay: welcome, you've found the hotbed of cryptojihadi dissent
RebeccaBitcoin: haha no, I like his blog. He seems to have pissed off the owner of coinforum who's accusing him of making false accusations against Ethereum.
benkay: link?
RebeccaBitcoin: I on the other hand agree with Pete, and have also been called out on that forum for critisizing
TheNewDeal: !s bitcoinpete blog
decimation: you won't find many strong believers in altcoins here
assbot: Ethereum sale has begun - Page 2 - Canada's Bitcoin Community
kakobrekla: RebeccaBitcoin do yourself a favor , get in the wot.
RebeccaBitcoin: ya, whats that
assbot: When Bitcoin Met Pete
RebeccaBitcoin: last time I used irc was like 15 years ago
TheNewDeal: there's some definitely strong Altcoin believers in here, no?
RebeccaBitcoin: actually no 10 years ago
Duffer1: strong altcoin trollers maybe :P
assbot: wot_and_reputation [bitcoin assets wiki]
assbot: first_steps_in_bitcoin-assets [bitcoin assets wiki]
TheNewDeal: WOL runs on atc at the moment, doesn't it?
decimation: just because you deal in a currency doesn't mean you view it as a savings vehicle
benkay: RebeccaBitcoin: can you use GPG?
RebeccaBitcoin: I was hoping IRC wasn't going to be as nerdy as it was 10 years ago. Apparently I'm wrong.
kakobrekla: nothing to do with irc.
RebeccaBitcoin: you get my point
RebeccaBitcoin: Anyway, yes I use GPG
benkay: k, great.
benkay: ;;google eregister bitcoin-otc web of trust
gribble: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/GPG_authentication>; Beginners Guide - bitcoin-otc wiki: <http://wiki.bitcoin-otc.com/wiki/Beginners_Guide>; Gribble - Bitcoin: <https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Gribble>
RebeccaBitcoin: ya I'll figure it out
assbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
RebeccaBitcoin: in the meantime, feel free to keep authorizing me until I say something too offensive lol
benkay: can't really be done in these parts
RebeccaBitcoin: like omg Ethereum is so cool... and Vitalik is way cooler than Satoshi
benkay: the pimply guy who spreads quantum FUD? real cool.
kakobrekla: quantum is cool.
benkay: ohyou.png
benkay: fucking freezing more like it
dub: inb4 gotta get bitcoin on friday
benkay: friday friday
RebeccaBitcoin: When are we going to the moon
benkay: ;;8ball moon when?
gribble: NO!
RebeccaBitcoin: hey is gribble a person?
kakobrekla: ;;8ball is gribble a person?
gribble: You know the answer better than I.
RebeccaBitcoin: i'm guessing no ;p
kakobrekla: ;;8ball is RebeccaBitcoin right?
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
kakobrekla: lucky.
RebeccaBitcoin: i know rite
benkay: at least it doesn't have the ?? ??? egg that many 8-ball bots implement
dub eats baller lentil salad
[]bot: Bet created: "Bitcoin to drop under $500 before October" http://bitbet.us/bet/1006/
RebeccaBitcoin: exciting
kakobrekla: o look over 1k
kakobrekla: bets accepted.
dub: scam
benkay: freenode exodus when?
dub: wai?
benkay: reezuns.
assbot: teaching - Where to buy premium white chalk in the U.S., like they have at RIMS? - MathOverflow
RebeccaBitcoin: ;;8ball when will bitcoin pete be back?
gribble: NO.
kakobrekla: its a binary outcome, not descriptionary
kakobrekla: gotta ask the question right.
benkay: ;;8ball will bitcoinpete be back before bitcoin is over 600?
gribble: Unlikely.
RebeccaBitcoin: ;;8ball will Bitcoin pete be back before my account loses its voice priveleges?
gribble: You know the answer better than I.
RebeccaBitcoin: ;;8ball no I don't. You suck.
gribble: The answer is certainly yes.
kakobrekla: sorry, ternary.
RebeccaBitcoin: ok thats more like it
kakobrekla: yes, no or fuck off.
cazalla: RebeccaBitcoin, coinguy sounds like an idiot
RebeccaBitcoin: He's probably a nice guy, but ya, don't know why he gets mad when we attack stuff
RebeccaBitcoin: I wanted to praise Bitcoin pete for his his critisisms of Ethereum. And then I wanted to make fun of him for the perma-hard on he has for mircea popescu
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/2SNZT5F.txt )
cazalla: well if you stick around, perhaps you can make use of that hard on
RebeccaBitcoin: what does it mean when I get bashed
gribble: Error: This url is not on the whitelist.
kakobrekla: ;;topic
benkay: bash.bitcoin-assets.com
kakobrekla: <gribble> Error: This url is not on the whitelist. < how the fuck
cazalla: !up RebeccaBitcoin
RebeccaBitcoin: I wonder if I can trade my non-existent Ether prior to the launch
RebeccaBitcoin: Kinda like how people were trading gox coins
dub: seems to be question of the week
dub: HOW DOD I DUMP DIS
dub: oops caps, but lol caps
BingoBoingo: !up RebeccaBitcoin
RebeccaBitcoin: i've registered my name
RebeccaBitcoin: now I"m doing the GPG thing
mircea_popescu: dub whai r u link tardstalk moderated threads even
[]bot: Bet created: "President Obama Impeached before 2015" http://bitbet.us/bet/1007/
dub: dereeted?
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, is MPEx avoiding these methods to simplify things and going for predetermined price all the time? http://www.incademy.com/courses/How-the-stock-market-works/Offers-by-tender,-and-other-methods-of-admission/3/1014/10002
assbot: Incademy.com : How the stock market works : Offers by tender, and other methods of admission
dub: not dereeted, struck me as a hilarious capitulation to truth
RebeccaBitcoin: ;;eregister RebeccaBitcoin E431 B96E C1B5 BE61 12EE 9A8F 2DE0 3C7C 54AF 3F42
gribble: Error: 'E431' is not a valid GPG key id. Please use the long form 16 digit key id.
mircea_popescu: dub ok i see your point
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin who're you ?
RebeccaBitcoin: Didn't we already go through that?
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight a complicated topic and that's not a particularly relevant source or frame.
mircea_popescu: !s RebeccaBitcoin
mircea_popescu: no, apparently we didn't.
RebeccaBitcoin: hmm don't think that was supposed to appear publicly lol
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
RebeccaBitcoin: ;;eregister RebeccaBitcoin 2DE03C7C54AF3F42
gribble: Error: Could not retrieve your key from keyserver. Either it isn't there, or it is invalid.
DreadKnight: mircea_popescu, erm ok, but I'm trying to learn all the strings besides talking the talk
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16448 @ 0.00080406 = 13.2252 BTC [+] {2}
RebeccaBitcoin: k i'll figure that out later
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin if you just put it on the server it may take a coupla hours to propagate.
RebeccaBitcoin: where do I put it on the server?
RebeccaBitcoin: The instructions mention nothing about putting anything on a server
RebeccaBitcoin: I made a GPG key, typed the thing, didn't work
RebeccaBitcoin: Anyway to answer your question mircea_popescu, I read Bitcoin Pete's blog. A good portion of it is copy and paste's from here, so I thought I would come on to see what its all about.
mircea_popescu: that;s a point.
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin you gotta upload your key.
RebeccaBitcoin: And to quote myself from earlier: "I wanted to praise Bitcoin pete for his his critisisms of Ethereum. And then I wanted to make fun of him for the perma-hard on he has for mircea popescu "
assbot: GPG authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
mircea_popescu: gpg --send-keys 54AF3F42
RebeccaBitcoin: gpg --send-keys 54AF3F42
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin what if you get a perma-nipple-on for me too ?
mircea_popescu: not here silly. in cli.
mircea_popescu: command line interface. what os do you use ?
RebeccaBitcoin: OS something
DreadKnight: X marks the spot.
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin extract your pubkey, dump int by hand in http://pool.sks-keyservers.net/
assbot: pks.ms.mff.cuni.cz OpenPGP Keyservers
mircea_popescu: cuni.cz ? srsly ?
kakobrekla: benkay assbot fixed
RebeccaBitcoin: public key added
RebeccaBitcoin: to the cuni.cz thing
RebeccaBitcoin: your link didn't work
mircea_popescu: cool so give it an hour or two so gribble can see it.
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin are you one of those difficuly jewish young women we read about ?
RebeccaBitcoin: lol not jewish
RebeccaBitcoin: Irish. Red hair.
kakobrekla: dont we already have an irish ?
RebeccaBitcoin: i'm in canada
RebeccaBitcoin: and born here
mircea_popescu: i think we already have an irish yeah
mircea_popescu: sorry rebecca.
DreadKnight: Noe's arch supposedly had 2 of each kind
mircea_popescu: yeah but the other irish is also a girl.
DreadKnight: lol, nice
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: WOL runs on atc at the moment, doesn't it? << nah btc.
mircea_popescu: also has atc tho
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin: I was hoping IRC wasn't going to be as nerdy as it was 10 years ago. Apparently I'm wrong. << how the fuck is this place nerdy
mircea_popescu: and also, noted the 15 years ago. you don't get to make yourself under 30 again that easily!
dub: no emojiis
mircea_popescu: dub: scam <<
DreadKnight: you've been missing out a lot of good stuff since you fled from IRC, RebeccaBitcoin
mircea_popescu: yeah. britney died, mj died,
mircea_popescu: sid vicious died,
mod6: :(
mircea_popescu: margaret thatcher got alzheimers, golda meir won the washington state beauty pageant
mircea_popescu: (for old horses)
RebeccaBitcoin: As for how is this place nerdy: you want me to upload GPG keys, talk to some robot named gribble... and use IRC
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema i'll pay for your tits
gribble: I'll pay for your tits pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/ill-pay-for-your-tits/>; Iunie 2014 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2014/06>; They really are Buttcoins nao pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2013/they-really-are-buttcoins-nao/>
mircea_popescu: you can also write hex on your tits for bitcoin.
DreadKnight: isn't cli considered one of the most nerdiest things? besides compiling and editing config files...
mircea_popescu: DreadKnight not having a gf is considered the most nerdiest thing.
DreadKnight: erm xD
RebeccaBitcoin: You know who's not a nerd. Vitalik
RebeccaBitcoin: hahahaha
mircea_popescu: did you snort ?
RebeccaBitcoin: Its hard not to when laughing at that pic
mircea_popescu: buckteeth ?
dub: newbet: buttcoin <$500 by august
DreadKnight: 3 days left, don't see it happen
mircea_popescu: ;;8ball wouldja hit on RebeccaBitcoin ?
gribble: About as likely as pigs flying.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23900 @ 0.000803 = 19.1917 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: !up RebeccaBitcoin
RebeccaBitcoin: thankyou
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin so what do you do for a living ?
RebeccaBitcoin: Micky D's. I started on the fry station, but after about 10 years Ronald promoted me to drive thru.
mircea_popescu: you know lieing is a sin.
DreadKnight: it was funny though
RebeccaBitcoin: Just because I omitted that I also gave him a blow job doesn't mean I lied ;p
Duffer1: i think i saw that on pornhub once
DreadKnight: a dude blowing another dude? gay
RebeccaBitcoin: I am a web designer
kakobrekla: do you have a portfolio online
mircea_popescu: (he probably is looking to hire one)
kakobrekla: tempted to bash it.
RebeccaBitcoin: good plan
DreadKnight: you can't be a web designer without portfolio
DreadKnight: means starving artist
cazalla: or another transgender on disability
RebeccaBitcoin: You didn't ask if I have a portfolio. You asked if I have a portfolio online.
BingoBoingo: Well, you'd assume the web design portfilo be online...
decimation: do you find the kyriarchy oppressive?
BingoBoingo: Unless the clients already all replaced the designs
DreadKnight: you don't ask a web designer for *online* portfolio, he assumes that
RebeccaBitcoin: You would assume that, however I value my clients' privacy.
kakobrekla: RebeccaBitcoin clay tablets not much of use.
DreadKnight: argh, you beat me to it, BingoBoingo
mircea_popescu: <decimation> do you find the kyriarchy oppressive? << should porolly be #b-a motto
DreadKnight: RebeccaBitcoin, it's not the issue if you value that crap, the issue is you don't get clients if you don't have one, unless in a few cases
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin one'd think people hiring web designers are into publicity rather than privacy.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18850 @ 0.00080051 = 15.0896 BTC [-]
RebeccaBitcoin: you might think that
kakobrekla: who is the troll?
asciilifeform: and who the hell is vitalik?
DreadKnight: what is love?
RebeccaBitcoin: google images vitalik
cazalla: DreadKnight, you would have trolls starve?
kakobrekla: asci the brains behind etherum
asciilifeform: aha him
DreadKnight: cazalla, no :( such artwork
asciilifeform: thiel grant fellow
RebeccaBitcoin: the true brains behind ethereum is whoever conned people into handing over 7000 bitcoin
cazalla: RebeccaBitcoin, you bought some though
asciilifeform: 7000 - that's grandmaster level chumpatronics
RebeccaBitcoin: I did, sadly before I saw mircea's 5000 ether offer
cazalla: double down
decimation: ascii it seems this scheme is designed to recruit chumps to run the chumpatron
kakobrekla: just wait until she realizes portfolio should be put online
asciilifeform: decimation: as with any professional-grade chumpatronic circuit.
DreadKnight: kakobrekla, haha, that would be progress
RebeccaBitcoin: I think there is a good chance I'll be able to flip it, like most scamcoins
kakobrekla: yeah find the next sucker.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform derp who did "bitcoin magazine" copyediting for a short interval right after it was stolen from its previous owners by a bitpay-led alliance
RebeccaBitcoin: and no dickbrains, my portfolio is intentionally not online
mircea_popescu: then as that sunk moved on to bizarre shilling of quantum computing and assorting other scams
DreadKnight: "scamcoin" wonder if there would be people actually buying such a coin xD
mircea_popescu: now doing eth.
asciilifeform: wait he's the one with the grover's algo piece, isn't he
kakobrekla: do i get to see the clay tablets if i come for a visit?
mircea_popescu: otherwise, teenager with no education, no value and no prospects entertaining delusions of self importance. the andreoderpulous school of nothing.
RebeccaBitcoin: Education is overrated
RebeccaBitcoin: especially in north america
kakobrekla: sez bagholder.
DreadKnight: America likes to train slaves and tell them they're free
DreadKnight: either as a college graduate with huge debts or being in jail
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: you're a friend of vitalik b.? i'm rather curious to learn how to simulate grover's algo on a classical cpu.
DreadKnight: or part of Uncle Sam
RebeccaBitcoin: asci I think you've misread my comments about him
asciilifeform: in polynomial time.
asciilifeform: so, not a friend ?
RebeccaBitcoin: never met him in person
RebeccaBitcoin: and no, not a friend
RebeccaBitcoin: time to try this gribble crap again
RebeccaBitcoin: ;;eregister RebeccaBitcoin 2DE03C7C54AF3F42
gribble: Request successful for user RebeccaBitcoin, hostmask RebeccaBitcoin!461a7a92@gateway/web/cgi-irc/kiwiirc.com/ip.70.26.122.146. Get your encrypted OTP from http://bitcoin-otc.com/otps/2DE03C7C54AF3F42
RebeccaBitcoin: omg it worked
asciilifeform: ;;rate RebeccaBitcoin 1 new blood
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
RebeccaBitcoin: not fully done yet
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 32050 @ 0.00080001 = 25.6403 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin i knew a chick that did the same "flipping" thing. her : http://polimedia.us/trilema/2013/internet-story/
assbot: Internet story pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: it... didn't work out so well on the mid term.
asciilifeform: !up RebeccaBitcoin
decimation: asciilifeform: you might find this site interesting: http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page_0=30 < poor-man's global lightning strike detection network
assbot: Blitzortung.org – lightning map USA, Canada – thunderstorms and lightning strikes
asciilifeform: decimation: interesting in so far as the detector (http://www.blitzortung.org/Webpages/index.php?lang=en&page=2) could be configured instead to detect... other things
asciilifeform: a 'crowd' spectrum analyzer, that would be something to write home about.
decimation: yeah, I agree. there are several designs for different bearing detection systems
asciilifeform: FedsAroundMe.
RebeccaBitcoin: ;;everify [freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971]
gribble: Error: "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971" is not a valid command.
RebeccaBitcoin: ;;everify [freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971
gribble: Error: Missing "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
RebeccaBitcoin: ;;everify [freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971]
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: snip off the squarebrackets
gribble: Error: "freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: no quotes
RebeccaBitcoin: ;;everify freenode:#bitcoin-otc:c42ebf3f844a223bcb30c60226a8a78d0376fd0a48477175e41e4971
decimation: if you spend any time listening to police radios (those that aren't encrypted - which is most these days) you realize that the cops use regular mobile phones for the most sensitive stuff
gribble: Registration successful. You are now authenticated for user RebeccaBitcoin with key 2DE03C7C54AF3F42
asciilifeform: ;;rate RebeccaBitcoin 1 new blood
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user RebeccaBitcoin has been recorded.
RebeccaBitcoin: awesome, so I can chat now without having to as assbot for permission?
Duffer1: auth then msg assbot !up
Duffer1: msg gribble to auth btw :P
RebeccaBitcoin: I alraedy did that didn't i
RebeccaBitcoin: you mean each time I log in
Duffer1: right
asciilifeform: decimation: radio sets that use 'trunking' sometimes transmit even when no one is speaking. so you can still 'feds-around-me.'
decimation: yeah being able to de-multiplex the trunking system while simultaneously calculating bearings would not be a simple task
RebeccaBitcoin: I have a question for mircea
asciilifeform: decimation: no need to demultiplex. just look for who is putting out rf
asciilifeform: at the officially allocated frequencies
asciilifeform: and where.
Duffer1: paging mircea_popescu to the desk
RebeccaBitcoin: do you ever worry that the US will try to arrest you, with the help of Romania, for your "illegal securities" with magical internet money?
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 hm ?
Duffer1: <RebeccaBitcoin> I have a question for mircea
mircea_popescu: RebeccaBitcoin no.
RebeccaBitcoin: really? Because they have arrested people in romania before, with the help of romania
RebeccaBitcoin: For credit card fraud and things
mircea_popescu: my lot is not to worry, my lot is to preemptive strike.
decimation: well for that you can use the old-school "sniffer": http://www.optoelectronics.com/#!spectrum-scout/cpvx
asciilifeform: decimation: idea was, a distributed network thereof.
asciilifeform: decimation: like that lightning strike map.
decimation: yeah that's an interesting idea, I think it would take alot of work to filter out stuff not-of-interest
asciilifeform: decimation: no need to filter anything at the receiver end. just plot the whole range of the scanner node.
decimation: like the amplitude of the frequency spectrum across a wide band?
asciilifeform: correct.
decimation: yeah it would be neat to have a distributed, public network of that kind of thing.
ThickAsThieves: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 584.73, Best ask: 585.0, Bid-ask spread: 0.27000, Last trade: 585.03, 24 hour volume: 3674.72868346, 24 hour low: 584.32, 24 hour high: 599.4, 24 hour vwap: 592.022325397
decimation: poor-man's substitute: single channel shortwave receivers available on-demand: http://www.globaltuners.com/receiver/ and http://websdr.ewi.utwente.nl:8901/
assbot: GlobalTuners - On-line remotely controlled tuners
assbot: Wide-band WebSDR in JO32KF
decimation: the twente one has your live spectrogram
RebeccaBitcoin: cool its crashing
decimation: heh you can hear the "buzzer" on 4.625 MHz
assbot: UVB-76 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
assbot: Monolyth messages description Priyom.org Number Stations Research
asciilifeform: russia traditionally uses traditional dead tree codebooks.
asciilifeform: as in, 19th c. state of the art.
asciilifeform: (this is not news)
decimation: interesting, thanks for the link. Here's some unusual UVB-76 transmissions you can probably understand: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hyKEEDQzt7c
assbot: UVB-76 Buzzer new message format 2013-24-26january mystery - YouTube
asciilifeform: decimation: nothing useful to understand - military alphabet plus numeric codes.
asciilifeform: aka english 'whiskey, tango, foxtrot' etc
decimation: interesting
asciilifeform: without the codebook, it's just random crud.
mircea_popescu: russians at least have the common sense to use erika
mircea_popescu: and other girls names
decimation: In the ww-ii era the US used mostly first names instead of the nato alphabet: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joint_Army/Navy_Phonetic_Alphabet
assbot: Joint Army/Navy Phonetic Alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: decimation: funnily that's the one that was taught to me
decimation: interestingly, all male names though...
assbot: NATO phonetic alphabet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
RebeccaBitcoin: why did I need to do the !up thing again
RebeccaBitcoin: I thought you guys vouched for me or whatever
decimation: if you listen to the amateur radio bands using that uni. of twente receiver you will hear plenty of "non-standard" phoentics being used
asciilifeform: RebeccaBitcoin: we all have to self-up periodically
Duffer1: when an authed person !up someone it only lasts 30mins, once you're authed you can !up yourself
Duffer1: it lasts much longer
decimation: interestingly a ham radio operator knew about the invasion of the falklands before HMG knew what was going on: http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/6514011.stm
assbot: BBC NEWS | UK | How BBC man scooped invasion news
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25300 @ 0.00080241 = 20.301 BTC [+]
assbot: LiveLeak.com - this is what happens when money loses its value
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