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benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu benkay eh what, you can tell. // this is to imply that actually discerning females on internet is hard?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
benkay: ;;later
gribble: Error: "later" is not a valid command.
benkay: ;;help later
gribble: Error: There is no command "later".
benkay: wat
benkay: ;;help later tell
gribble: (later tell <nick> <text>) -- Tells <nick> <text> the next time <nick> is in seen. <nick> can contain wildcard characters, and the first matching nick will be given the note.
benkay: so what - spaces don't denote function call from args?
benkay: ;;gettrust Rassah
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Rassah!~quassel@2601:a:f80:551:cca8:730f:58b3:a3d. Trust relationship from user benkay to user Rassah: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 1 via 1 connections. Graph: | WoT data: | Rated since: Fri Jun 3 23:49:22 2011
benkay: danielpbarron: adopter
benkay: assbot's an interesting focal point for the WoT
benkay: really highlights the -assets group vs everyone else
dub: hardly surprising now its full of spurious 'is on irc' entries
benkay: will probably approach classic 90:9:1 ratios
benkay: but excellent point. way to dilute the wot, mircea_popescu.
FabianB: $mpexstatus
empyex: FabianB: Proxies: MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)
assbot: 401 Authorization Required
Vexual: whoa, ba has sluts now? this is becoming more like a university, next thing you know, i'll have some resources and a consideration
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 130 @ 0.02890175 = 3.7572 BTC [-]
danielpbarron: nothing wrong with a +1 saw on irc, unless it isn't true
danielpbarron: and even them, the WoT abides
Vexual: ;;rate +1 danielpbarron avoids the past
gribble: Error: 'danielpbarron' is not a valid integer.
Vexual: penis
Vexual: but if you're asking i'll say if it can't be done with erlang and perl it's not worth doing
Vexual: also spss and matlab and whisky
assbot: Bashy ft. Dot Rotten, Black The Ripper & Lady Leshurr - Heart Of Stone [Music Video]: SBTV - YouTube
Vexual: datafox can eat a bag of dicks
assbot: Peace - Money - YouTube
Vexual: sup kars
Vexual: KRS1
Vexual: !up KRS-1
KRS-1: thanks
Vexual: sup puto?
KRS-1: nm man..enjoying our summer time months here.
KRS-1: Chilling at the pool, steak on the BBQ.
KRS-1: lots of work lately thanks to open source cloud software
Vexual: yeah man, novel 2.0
KRS-1: Listening to anything good?
Vexual: i was gonna ask you the same thing
KRS-1: uh well maybe I shouldnt youtube links pisses kakobrekla off a bit.
Vexual: shit man, im paid up on jukebox creds til 2016
KRS-1: haha
Vexual: :)
KRS-1: ah well nice bumping into ya..its late i gotta get some rest.. i see you've been gone a while u gona be around?
Vexual: prlly not this essay is breaking my brain
KRS-1: alright slut..i'll be back on in about 10-12 hrs maybe I'll see you then..
KRS-1: peace
Vexual: ciao
assbot: Wax - Rosana (Official Video) - YouTube
pankkake: nubbins`> i think that a car is too expensive, i would rather purchase a sandwich <= it's much worse, it's like "I can't purchase a lamborghini, so I will buy a tricycle"
pankkake: in the end, the lambo and the dacia will be allowed on the highway, the tricycle won't
kakobrekla: next time, get a trambo instead.
Vexual: buy it from me
Vexual: i do excellent sandwiches
Vexual: punkman
assbot: Official Video: Snoop Lion "La La La" (prod. Major Lazer) - YouTube
Vexual: assbot has changed
assbot: ordo rosarius equilibrio ~ Do Murder & Lust Make Me Man? - YouTube
punkman: assbot's getting lazy, fucking off for hours every other day
punkman: kako needs to crack the whip
assbot: Massive attack_Protection - 07 - Eurochild - YouTube
Vexual: ;;google paris time
Vexual: ;;google paris time
gribble: Current local time in France – Paris - Time and Date: <>; Paris Time - Local Time in Paris - Time Zone in Paris - World Time: <>; Paris - World Time Clock & Map: <>
Vexual: 10;30
pankkake: yes
punkman: this one's dedicated to havelock bagholders
Vexual: ive still got a few rents incase bc goes back to 100
Vexual: ;ike 10
Vexual: realy funding a maythai match with nooone in it is fail
assbot: 2pac Ft. Bill Withers & B.I.G - Lovely Day Remix - YouTube
kakobrekla: ...
Vexual: yes
Vexual: ill pay another 2 later
Vexual: ;;google brooklyn zoo
gribble: Prospect Park Zoo: <>; Brooklyn Zoo NY - Home - BROOKLYNZOO NY: <>; Brooklyn Zoo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>
Vexual: ;google brooklyn zoo odb
Vexual: ;;google brooklyn zooo odb
gribble: Ol' Dirty Bastard - Brooklyn Zoo (HD) Best Quality! - YouTube: <>; ODB- Brooklyn Zoo Video - YouTube: <>; Brooklyn Zoo - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 1202 @ 0.00260521 = 3.1315 BTC [-] {10}
adrrr: This is good shit !
assbot: Ol' Dirty Bastard - Fantasy (feat. M.Carey) - YouTube
Vexual: likea blooberg interviewm you don't knmow wwhats coming thru
assbot: Astronomy Class - Four Barang In a Tuk-Tuk - YouTube
Vexual: my mouse is rubnning outta betteries
Vexual: ;google las hueallas
Vexual: ;;google las hueallas
gribble: No matches found.
Vexual: indeed
adrrr: french bomb :
Vexual: aa
xmj: so
xmj: i have a problem that wants solving.
xmj: Does any US bank provide accounts that can be opened through the Internet?
punkman: maybe if you incorporate there
Vexual: looke suisse
Vexual: or view t o '15
Vexual: not yor dassys bank
Vexual: deus :
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 42 @ 0.18373118 = 7.7167 BTC [+] {7}
dub: hey steve, get better intertubes
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 55 @ 0.01547271 = 0.851 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: Death comes resurgent
assbot: Game 17 - Death 5949 Life 4051 Year 479 - War of Life
dub: +1 for linking GoW to account, it sucks having to actually use bitcoin
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 311004 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1475 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 18 hours, 42 minutes, and 51 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18402301785.4 | Estimated Percent Change: 6.14885
pankkake: davout:
assbot: Bitcoin : ladministration lve le rideau sur sa doctrine fiscale | Contrepoints
benkay: ;;later tell vexual what's this essay?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 363 @ 0.00278712 = 1.0117 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 546 @ 0.00280716 = 1.5327 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 207 @ 0.00282899 = 0.5856 BTC [+] {2}
mod6: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 517817.43 in 601 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -34.05
nubbins`: pankkake will your sandwich be allowed on the highway? ;(
pankkake: indeed
nubbins`: hmm
nubbins`: france sounds nice
pankkake: now that's comedy gold
assbot: ING: Future Bitcoin Protocol Should Include Central Bank Functions
nubbins`: heh
nubbins`: "a new thing in the future that won't be bitcoin should give us a slice of the pie"
nubbins`: or, put another way
nubbins`: "bank ceo wishes he could create an altcoin that people would use"
davout: pankkake: france is retarded, let's short it
davout: pankkake: being filmed by Arte as we speak :D
pankkake: BITCOIN = DRUGS
pankkake: by the way, Bernankoin's supply is regulated by demand already
pankkake: that way, it ensures a constant price of $0
pankkake: so where is my nobel prize :(
davout: we're not mentioning bernankoin on tv
princessnell: mornin' y'all
davout: hello
ThickAsThieves: mornin
ThickAsThieves: cheap coins today
benkay: man fuck ubuntu
benkay: morning nell
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 615.0, Best ask: 615.53, Bid-ask spread: 0.53000, Last trade: 615.0, 24 hour volume: 4321.69857992, 24 hour low: 611.13, 24 hour high: 626.25, 24 hour vwap: 620.015222762
kyuupichan: pankkake: It already does of course. ING's mindless sellout doesn't realize it yet.
nubbins`: man, occasionally we get a customer who has the brilliant idea of saving a few bucks off their order by providing their own shirts
nubbins`: except that's fucking retarded because why would a retail store sell shirts for cheaper than a silkscreening business can get them in bulk
nubbins`: (answer: they wouldn't)
nubbins`: so now i've got a job where some guy paid literally double the cost for his blanks, and they're fucking wal-mart brand
nubbins` shakes head
assbot: U.S. Producer Prices Tick Higher in June - WSJ
mike_c: random fact that surprised me: warren owns 2% of walmart.
benkay: aaaand:
assbot: When One Pay Raise a Year Isn't Enough - WSJ
benkay: why is that surprising, mike_c ?
mike_c: i don't know. I guess I didn't feel like it fit the rest of his portfolio.
mike_c: B/H does outright own a lot of retailers, but walmart feels different.
benkay: strikes me as a coca-cola play: the machine will be around forever, selling crap to the lcd. closest thing to a perpetual annuity one can hope for by my read.
benkay: or a perpetuity
mike_c: KO has growth though (internationally). is wal-mart growing outside US?
mike_c: 26 countries, i guess it is.
mike_c: they opened in buenos aires in 2007. they really are everywhere.
benkay: the man seems to know something about retail
nubbins`: jesus
nubbins`: i guess this is why people hide join/parts
fluffypony: can't we have assbot ban people that do that for an hour?
mircea_popescu: benkay yeah
mircea_popescu: !up Adohgg
nubbins`: !up miaoux
nubbins`: but seriously though, the guy bought WAL-MART BRAND t-shirts
nubbins`: as an additional "fuck you", he specifically purchased shirts that are not 100% cotton
nubbins`: i tell ya, these people
miaoux: thanks nubbins` ;)
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you should prolly start ba's own cfh.
nubbins`: cfh
nubbins`: ;;ud cfh
gribble: | The CFH is a hardcore street gang that originated in the Wayzata/Plymouth area in Minnesota. The gang is identified by the color green. The main ri...
mircea_popescu: like a blog where lulzy stuff is detailed. "The Shirts Story". "How BFL Delivered and BitBet ripped off its users"
nubbins` raises eyebrow
mircea_popescu: ;;google clients from hell
gribble: Clients From Hell: <>; Clients From Hell: <>; Top Client Stories - Clients From Hell: <>
nubbins`: ah ah.
nubbins`: an online outlet for my sharp witticisms
mircea_popescu: ahgahahah oh help me rwanda. hardcore street gang from... plymouth, mn ?!
nubbins`: that's sort of what facebook is for, but i can't make fun of specific people
nubbins`: inorite?
mircea_popescu: what, they have streets in minnesota ?
mircea_popescu: i bet the van buren boys could kick cfh's ass.
nubbins`: i wonder if somewhere there's a girl named R'Wanda
mircea_popescu: lol
nubbins`: imagine
nubbins`: or a drag queen called RuWanda
assbot: HELP ME, RWANDA | New York Post
assbot: Shake Hands with the Devil (book) - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
nubbins`: not just belgians on the ground!
mircea_popescu: actually, my next door neighbour is a drag queen. incredibly, doesn't like to go out much, orders in pretty much every day.
mircea_popescu: isn't this something else ? a drag queen shut in ?
nubbins`: not too unusual
mircea_popescu: really ?
nubbins`: what better way for a shut-in to get out once a week/month than to put on a new face
nubbins`: i can't think of anyone into drag that's not at least a semi-recluse
mircea_popescu: so fucxking weird, because in my heteronormative cisscum patriarchical view of the world,
mircea_popescu: which just so happens to exactly mesh with sanity,
nubbins` chuckles
mircea_popescu: it'd seem if you go to all the trouble to dress up like a circus freak, except permanently, you'd better be very very much INTO circus.,
mircea_popescu: then again i guess sexual deviancy is born out of psychological issues, not a disregard for social norms in the quest for personal enjoyment. nttawwt
nubbins`: i'm into printing shirts, doesn't mean i do it outside ;D
mircea_popescu: no, but it does mean you like to print.
nubbins`: find out when your neighbour DOES leave the house, and then see what debauchery they get into
mircea_popescu: im not about to stalk random people, srsly.
asciilifeform: mpex still building ?
assbot: Naked Lunch - William S. Burroughs - Google Books
nubbins`: probably best not to stalk
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform still.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` i used to, when i was younger and less experienced, i'd see a pretty thing in the street, send the guard to tail her find out where she lives. this resulted in lulziness on more than one occasion.
mircea_popescu: but by now i just can't summon teh interest on the basis of looks for crying out loud.
mike_c: i think your neighbor is just a cross-dresser. introverted drag queen is oxymoron.
mircea_popescu: mike_c fucking clown wigs and everything ?
nubbins`: implication is that introverts don't perform in public :0
mike_c: lol. ok, first time for everything i guess.
mircea_popescu: i thought the campyness was the distinguishing factor.
mircea_popescu: nubbins` well yeah.
nubbins`: you guise
nubbins`: bbl, back to twerk
mircea_popescu: omfg nubbins is a crossdancer.
mircea_popescu: he TWERKS
benkay: ;;ud crossdancer
gribble: | Apr 10, 2009 ... ... brute bulldog bumbercar butterfly cowboy cradle cross dancer deck chair deep impact stick making a delight doggystyle postion appearing to ...
benkay: oh man it's too early for me to reconcile the inflation nooz with the steel production glut nooz
assbot: Pain Spreads From Chinas Excess Production - China Real Time Report - WSJ
benkay: demand goes down because prices will be lower tomorrow, which exacerbates the supply problem as nobody can unload goods at a profit?
mircea_popescu: yes.
mircea_popescu: welcome to the free market.
mircea_popescu: people, in general, alone as well as in groups, have one thing on their mind : how to fuck other people in the ass.
mircea_popescu: if they can gang together on theproducers, they will.
mircea_popescu: the feminist is not interested in any positive goal as much as she's interested in "fucking up" the dudebro.
mircea_popescu: etc.
mircea_popescu: it's what makes life fun.
asciilifeform: wtf is a 'dudebro'
pankkake: ;;ud dudebro
gribble: | Dude bro's are incredibly insecure in their manhood, which makes them: insanely jealous of their girl friends, overly macho, and laughably homophobic.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform given the comutative body made out of popkids and 30yo unemployed postdocs,
mircea_popescu: a dudebro is the comutative equivalent of the feminist, in any nonsexual operation.
asciilifeform: aha, them.
asciilifeform: lol
mircea_popescu: shit i'm good at this, i should make my own shanonizer.
pankkake: ;;ud shanonizer
gribble: Google found nothing.
asciilifeform: pankkake: e.g. 'dissociated press'
mircea_popescu: ;;google shanonnizer
gribble: No matches found.
mircea_popescu: fucking grammar azi.
benkay: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 242 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 26k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
benkay: mod6: atcbot left #pdxtech-btc
benkay: // hm no mobile boom over there yet? still getting on the cludwagen?
assbot: IBM is building a cloud system in Egypt and will train 100 companies in the region | GeekTime
benkay: the Fed said that while it didn’t generally view asset prices as excessive, valuations for social media and biotechnology firms “appear to be stretched,”
mod6: ok benkay, i'll restart it.
mike_c: who put the fed in charge of valuing biotech firms?
benkay: and apropos only of the babefeeds:
assbot: I love 90's Rock - Imgur
benkay: they're in charge of valuing the whole economy, mike_c
mircea_popescu: mike_c it's the central bank, kinda its job to broadly value all sectors.
mircea_popescu: how did you think central bank systems work ?
mike_c: i didn't realize they were handing out stock picks.
mircea_popescu: sector tho.
mircea_popescu: this is pretty much the #1 job of the central banker : to evaluate which sectors are overheating and which are underheating, and to try and bring equal heat somehow.
mike_c: this is retarded on its face.
mircea_popescu: i am not supporting rhe central bank system.
mircea_popescu: you just happen to live in one.
benkay: mike_c: <dub>
mircea_popescu: it does work exceedingly well in small countries with exceptionally gifted cbs, as romania will attest (and before that, azn minor players)
mircea_popescu: when people were bitching that greenspan was "asleep on the job", da fuck do you think they meant ? housing overheated without him realising it.
mike_c: and the central bank will do what about "overheated biotech"
mike_c: not like fannie mae is funding them.
mircea_popescu: taper.
mircea_popescu: obviously what's funding them.
asciilifeform: Gosplan!
mike_c: that won't cool biotech, it cools everything. they have no sector-by-sector levers.
mircea_popescu: but anyway, this was the fundamental argument of the euroskeptics as to wtf is wrong with the euro : replacing twenty cbs with just one merely further exacerbates the centralisation problem
mircea_popescu: mike_c no ?!
mike_c: right, no. *afaik.
mircea_popescu: what, you're telling me because the us as a whole is in freefall because pretty much any field you look at consists of people given tasks they can't do with tools that can't do them ?!
mircea_popescu: how the fuck was the army supposed to win vietnam ? start there.
mircea_popescu: of fucking course. they have no tools and the job alloted is in principle not doable anyway.
mike_c: well then stop sticking up for the fed!
mircea_popescu: omfg im just explaining how this is supposed to work.
mike_c: (that last was a troll ;) )
mircea_popescu: lolk
mike_c: benkay: nice pic. is that the last fed meeting?
mike_c: !up ThickAsThieves
mircea_popescu: anyway, for that matter, the big part in there is "didn’t generally view asset prices as excessive".
mircea_popescu: translated in normal speak that's "omfg we're losing it across the board here."
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 700 @ 0.0026309 = 1.8416 BTC [-] {13}
mircea_popescu: you just picked the other part because you mismanaged your book and are now overexposed to the pits. just like any other young, bright, ambitious GS fundboy.
mike_c: hah. nah, i don't do biotech. i prefer revenue-generating activities as opposed to funding R&D.
mircea_popescu: (that last was a troll ;) )
mike_c: nice. ok, we're even.
mircea_popescu: my magical clipboard, look what things i found.
mike_c: !down ThickAsThieves
ThickAsThieves: :P
mike_c: assbot seems to have this figure out these days
assbot: Former CEO of Satoshi Poker States new Owners Doesn't Wish to Pay Players
ThickAsThieves: in case any of you remember the SatPok lulz
mike_c: what did that sell for? single-digit btc right?
mircea_popescu: which was satoshi poker again ?
danielpbarron: how have i never heard of satoshi poker
mircea_popescu: this is starting to sound like a psychopath act, "i am now Maria and Maria doesn't want to pay you"
mike_c: " he sold Satoshi Poker for a plane ticket home from Thailand" yeah, that's what i thought.
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: this was owned by a few assholes
ThickAsThieves: one being the bitcoinpride tshirt guy
mircea_popescu: of that "professional" douche
mircea_popescu: s/of/oh
ThickAsThieves: they repeatedly tried unloading shares
ThickAsThieves: they got ukyo in
ThickAsThieves: angled for me a few times
ThickAsThieves: coincidentally one of the pitches was from an airport
ThickAsThieves: something like i'm travelling and i need money
mircea_popescu: you know, being a bum must suck ever so.
mircea_popescu: not so much for the people who've not had a shower in a week plus and are being pushed outof the tenderloin
mircea_popescu: as for the kids that keep going to airports pretending like they belong there.
mircea_popescu: i'm gonna start asking "aren't you supposed to be cutting some sugar cane or something ? what are you doing here boy ?"
ThickAsThieves: the life a man leads is punishment enough
mircea_popescu: the unexamined life is not worth living.
mircea_popescu: runaway slave must at some point be confronted with the reality that no matter how he's pretending, there's a plantation somewhere missing his dumb ass,
mircea_popescu: and a supervisor with the lash ready.
mircea_popescu: you don't just up and walk away.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.79167912 BTC to 12`353 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
mircea_popescu: << meanwhile the argentines want isps to block pronsites.
mircea_popescu: this is a country where prostitution is legal but abortion illegal.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 22.75826252 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1979 satoshi per share
danielpbarron: in all trimesters?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 180 @ 0.0028013 = 0.5042 BTC [+] {2}
pankkake: the .exchange TLD seems to be available now
artifexd: All these new TLD's annoy me. A lot.
danielpbarron too
ThickAsThieves: i dont have an issue with em
pankkake: they're the silver to .com
pankkake: or something
ThickAsThieves: just means we'll see www. and http:// more in ads
pankkake: more tlds is a small chance for less dns censorship
ThickAsThieves: it'd be cool to see namecoin get better play
artifexd: pankkake: How so?
pankkake: the "biggest" ICANN alternative, added namecoin .bit support
assbot: | OpenNIC Project
ThickAsThieves: someone should do an article on easy steps to set up a .bit domain to point your current .* one, drop a bunch of trendy words like decentralizedautocoinification and post it to reddit
pankkake: artifexd: more entities to annoy, more chances that one puts up a fight and doesn't censor as easily; also, most TLDs currently depend of governments
pankkake: some devs updated the namecoin GUI to help with registering domains - haven't tried it but it's admirable volunteer work :)
pankkake: otherwise you'd have to write the JSON config yourself
danielpbarron has some Namecoin names registered
ThickAsThieves: yeah you can everything in the wallet
danielpbarron: I used to have some pretty choice names but I let them expire
assbot: TradeBlock Raises $2.8 Million From Andreessen Horowitz, Others - MoneyBeat - WSJ
ThickAsThieves: “The kind of thing TradeBlock is providing is a prerequisite for smart contracts,” he said.
ThickAsThieves: this is the former genesisblock blog
mike_c: i liked their mining calculator tool. never read the articles.
ThickAsThieves: yeah they made a switch some 6+ mos ago to the data stuff
ThickAsThieves: Time Warner rejects $80 billion takeover by a 'determined' Rupert Murdoch
kakobrekla: i never head for tradeblock before
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron:in all trimesters? << yea.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves: it'd be cool to see namecoin get better play << yea
ThickAsThieves: i just realized the client also allows for easy NS entry and stuff
mircea_popescu: i don't recall what the major drawback was
ThickAsThieves: probly that it doesnt 'just work'
danielpbarron: nice; what's the punishment?
mircea_popescu: jail ? i dunno.
ThickAsThieves: need to get chrome or opera or tor to support .bit
danielpbarron: no death penalty? :/
asciilifeform: birth penalty.
mircea_popescu: decimation: and rolling dice would take days << dice is iirc just about 6/8 of a byte per dice per throw.
FabianB: $mpexstatus
empyex: FabianB: Proxies: MPEx-Status: Error reaching trade engine (change: $proxies <newlist>)
assbot: 401 Authorization Required
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 24 * 3600 / 3 * 6/8
gribble: 21600
mircea_popescu: FabianB nop, not yet.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron asciilifeform has it i guess.
ThickAsThieves: "The North American Bitcoin Conference Welcomes Bitcoin Novices"
ThickAsThieves: to speak
ThickAsThieves: hehe
FabianB: ic, trying to break the record ;)
ThickAsThieves: U.S. Treasury Secretary Jack Lew called for a crackdown on tax inversions, saying the Obama administration needs to step efforts to limit companies reincorporating overseas for tax purposes.
ThickAsThieves: “We should have some economic patriotism here,” Mr. Lew said
mircea_popescu: benkay: ;;later tell mircea_popescu benkay eh what, you can tell. // this is to imply that actually discerning females on internet is hard? << yea.
mircea_popescu: FabianB not trying, but looks like it'll succeed ;/
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ahahaha seriously ? economic patriotism ?
mircea_popescu: us, still copying the french, centuries later.
mircea_popescu: dub: hardly surprising now its full of spurious 'is on irc' entries << spurious on what grounds ?
ThickAsThieves: maybe if US closes eyes tight enough the rest of the world economy will go away
mircea_popescu: what's fucking spurious are all the idiots rating on the basis of a 20 bux moneypack
mircea_popescu: fortunately, they're well isolated from the wot that actually matters.
asciilifeform: dice is iirc just about 6/8 of a byte per dice per throw << not quite. log2(6) is ~2.6 - bits, that is.
asciilifeform: that's for a traditional die, of course.
mircea_popescu: ah rught.
mircea_popescu: but even so, 10 bits a throw, a 4k rsa key needs what, 7-800 ?
asciilifeform does not recommend dice for key gen
mircea_popescu: benkay: assbot's an interesting focal point for the WoT << didja graph it ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and why is that ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: too much like work.
mircea_popescu: this is like the silent/loud computer system
mircea_popescu: some people like to work.
asciilifeform: plus, actual physical dice aren't entirely 'fair.'
mircea_popescu: this is why some prefer blowjobs while others don't.
asciilifeform: like the 'eudaemons' and their roulette wheels.
asciilifeform: ;;google eudaemons roulette
gribble: Eudaemons - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <>; layout: <>; The Eudaemons' shoe computer: <>
mike_c: need zocchi dice
mircea_popescu: entropy and bias are not exactly orthogonal concerns, but they're still at an angle here
asciilifeform: incidentally, here's a question. is mechanical wear on dice a positive feedback loop - or not ?
asciilifeform: and does this vary between the extant polyhedra
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you know the story of the largest crystall ball in the world ?
penguirker: New blog post:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: << that one ?
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: yes that one.
mircea_popescu: thing was made for cixi, whom i've referenced before. the process was, tumble the thing in water + garnet dust
mircea_popescu: for like a decade.
mircea_popescu: now, is this proof that the process is broadly non-positive-feedback ?
asciilifeform: aha, standard lens grind
mircea_popescu: yea. always yields a sphere.
asciilifeform: always yields a sphere << but is the progression from whatever-hedron to sphere monotonic ?
mircea_popescu: assbot: ING: Future Bitcoin Protocol Should Include Central Bank Functions << yeah, it totally should. I'm fucking sick of having to bitchslap people like ing from the shadows.
mircea_popescu: gimme a protocol-based steel club ty.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform it can't possibly be monotonic
mircea_popescu: if nothing else then because of quantum determinism.
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: << for anyone unfamiliar with it
mircea_popescu: mike_c: i don't know. I guess I didn't feel like it fit the rest of his portfolio. << iirc he ended up with it as part of some other acquisition
asciilifeform: (note that Shannon and Thorp, who used an analogue circuit, achieved the same result in months that the 'eudaemons' took years.)
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: can't we have assbot ban people that do that for an hour? << this actually is a good idea. kakobrekla could assbot put a ban on anyone it sees part/joining 12 times within an hour, with a ban message that "please get in touch once connection is fixed, ty"
fluffypony: yeah, I don't want to hide joins/parts because sometimes interesting people join who don't have assbot !up access
mircea_popescu: exactly.
punkman: and nobody in all these years has made a client with smart join/part hiding
ThickAsThieves: ^
ThickAsThieves: if i ognore someone, it should ignore joins
mircea_popescu: yeah problerm is irc clients sorta went into freeze mode cca 2001
mircea_popescu: which is a GREAT thing. nobody's making new "fully featured" irc clients, which then don't work,
mircea_popescu: leading to demands to "bring irc protocol up to date"
mircea_popescu: like it's happened to the web.
ThickAsThieves: yet mirc still wants an update every month
mircea_popescu: "As companies try to retain top employees and hit growth targets, some are ditching the annual salary review and doling out raises and bonuses several times a year."
mircea_popescu: fucking add taking over the nation.
ThickAsThieves: cuz paying them hald their raise sooner will make the job fun again
ThickAsThieves: half*
ThickAsThieves: then the joy of double the performance reviews
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves ist's just another sympthom of inflation heating up i guess.
asciilifeform: ('cheat-trons' were outlawed in usa - because they worked. but probably wouldn't work today - casinos monitor their own machines electronically and run bias stats)
ThickAsThieves: As an interim measure in advance of issuing tactile-enhanced Federal Reserve notes, the BEP is providing currency readers, free of charge, to eligible blind and visually impaired individuals.
mircea_popescu: blind people gotta use a credit card whether they want to or not.
ThickAsThieves: does anyone work on accessibility in bitcoin?
punkman: ThickAsThieves: yeah right
danielpbarron: 13:40:25 <+asciilifeform> dice is iirc just about 6/8 of a byte per dice per throw << not quite. log2(6) is ~2.6 - bits, that is. << assuming it isn't biased
asciilifeform: ThickAsThieves: braille terminal.
assbot: Bitcoin 'Needs to be More Accessible for the Visually Impaired'
ThickAsThieves: "Most people want to make [bitcoin] accessible, they just haven’t considered it. That’s one of the problems around accessibility."
ThickAsThieves: heh
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves is't on a computer. what else ?
ThickAsThieves: i'm mostly ignorant to the topic
ThickAsThieves: i guess OS handles most needs
mike_c: one rule is you don't need the mouse to do anything
mike_c: (gov't rule)
mircea_popescu: mike_c another rule is that you can't send people mail as single-image pdfs.
mircea_popescu: anyway, bitcoin as made by saotshi is eminently blind-friendly. you can get everything as json from bitcoind and put it through your favorite reader.
mircea_popescu: the thing is that there's this large group of professional rent seekers who are trying to find a niche for themselves in bitcoin, not the normal way (buy some), nor the professional way (join bitcoin-assets) but the fiat way (politicing and derping around).
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: not the normal way (buy some)... << this is because their actual goal is quite independent of bitcoin. rather, it is: to own people.
ThickAsThieves: ;;google how much money is printed
gribble: U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing - Annual Production Figures: <>; Facts About U.S. Money | <>; The Fed Is Not Printing Money, It's Doing Something Much Worse ...: < (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: bitcoin is uniquely unsuited for their methodology.
asciilifeform: steal a coin from man, you have: a coin. steal the man...
mircea_popescu: course, the only way people learn this is through trying.
asciilifeform: you get coin until he's dead. and then from his children, etc.
ThickAsThieves: the auto answer in google is different than the truth
ThickAsThieves: google says "The Bureau of Engraving and Printing produces 38 million notes a day with a face value of approximately $541 million. That doesn't mean there is $541 million more money circulating today than there was yesterday, though, because 95% of the notes printed each year are used to replace notes already in circulation."
ThickAsThieves: says 26 million notes a day with a face value of $1.3 billion. Over 90 percent of notes are used to replace notes already in, or taken out of circulation.
assbot: U.S. Bureau of Engraving and Printing - Annual Production Figures
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves well google, like wikipedia, is only intended as a good enough first approximation.
mircea_popescu: much like you know, cliffnotes.
asciilifeform: << in case anyone has not read this.
assbot: Fuzzy Fingerprints - Attacking Vulnerabilities in the Human Brain
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform (solution)
ThickAsThieves: so my rapper friend finally decides to buy bitcoin
asciilifeform: lol
ThickAsThieves: coinbase tells him his tx was too high risk
assbot: Coinbase | Why was my order "High Risk" a...
ThickAsThieves: "Unfortunately, sometimes it flags legitimate transactions too. "
ThickAsThieves: such scammers
ThickAsThieves: The algorithm is always improving but is not perfect.
ThickAsThieves: fukn christ
ThickAsThieves: lol
ThickAsThieves: maybe i should make a coinbase is racist reddit
mike_c: but this has some truth, no? they do have to prevent fraud, and no matter what they will accidentally flag legitimate txs.
mike_c: easy to scammer tag them, but how do you tell the difference between honest mistake and scam?
ThickAsThieves: so have a clearing process
ThickAsThieves: dnt let someone make an order they cant have
danielpbarron: it's no accident; the transaction *was* high risk (for coinbase)
mike_c: they do have a clearing process.
mike_c: you can appeal a cancelled tx
danielpbarron: "whoops we're gonna lose money on this deal.. so we're canceling it"
ThickAsThieves: mike_c right, that's where it gets scammy
ThickAsThieves: maybe dudes dont wanna be assed to fight for it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: flashlight article << a decade or so ago, i had a flashlight that... crashed! when destroyed, it revealed a microcontroller, with eeprom...
ThickAsThieves: why cant they allow a deposit to clear, then when they are happy, allow trading with that amount
mike_c: you mean, be an exchange. they aren't an exchange.
ThickAsThieves: meh
ThickAsThieves: anyway he's better off
ThickAsThieves: cheaper now
mike_c: because that solves all scam problems :) (see gox, bitstamp, every other exchange)
mike_c: so it's an anti-scam. if the price had gone up he could have complained and gotten the better price.
mike_c: i'm not a big fanboy of coinbase, but i don't see how they could do it better.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 414 @ 0.00265304 = 1.0984 BTC [-] {11}
ThickAsThieves: maybe it's a new checking account for him or something
ThickAsThieves: i guess i can try being reasonable
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol the fuck was it doing.
danielpbarron: mike_c, I agree; my objection is going through traditional financial institutions to aquire Bitcoin; these channels can be frozen by governments
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron yah well you gotta get in somehow.
danielpbarron: i like face-to-face and cash-in-the-mail
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it was a chicom die-on-pcb turd. no debug outputs; what was inside (other than clearly, a micro with state) only satan knows. so, i never learned.
mircea_popescu: the cash in mail doesn't scale so well.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform prolly some sort of smart battery balancing
mike_c: i don't know any way that scales well these days. jborkl's post was unsettling.
danielpbarron: idk, I know how to ship a pallet; could be a pallet of linen
mike_c: i guess there never has been a scalable way.
mircea_popescu: mike_c the main challenge to economy, since forever, is scalbility.
mircea_popescu: which jborkl post you mean ?
mircea_popescu: << from the biology class department.
mike_c: sorry, thought it was on bccoinnews. it was justusranvier.
assbot: Coinbase Considered Harmful
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: very much related to flashlight article:
assbot: ClubOrlov: Industry's Parting Gifts
mircea_popescu: at which juncture i wonder if justusranvier ever read
assbot: The politics of Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform indeed.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'why do half of them have to be “tactical” ?' << 'tactical', in american marketingspeak, originally meant 'can bolt to a rifle.' then it turned into 'can, if really needed, be used as a brass knuckle.' now it means something like 'looks vaguely like anodized metal.'
mircea_popescu: "This, then, should be the new main thrust of industrial activity: to manufacture and distribute products with the understanding that this process will run out of resources and stop. These products must be designed to outlive the process by which they are made, by as long as possible." << i can't fucking imagine why this would have to appear as new.
mircea_popescu: far as i can discern this is it, the permanent mode of industry since forever, and how things sould work, and how things that work do work.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so if anodized metal is tactical, what's strategical ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'strategic' - clearly, a gadget that wouldn't look out of place in intercontinental rocket's 'physics package.'
pankkake: I thought tactical was it can be used to hit things
pankkake: you know, there are tactical PENS
mircea_popescu: so i guess my tit tickling cock shall henceforth be tactical too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 500 @ 0.00261071 = 1.3054 BTC [-] {13}
mircea_popescu: i definitely can hit things with it
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform so what, copper wire ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 988 @ 0.00260005 = 2.5688 BTC [-] {7}
asciilifeform: as i understand, the term originally applied to brands of optical rifle sight designed to withstand the field (water, whacking over enemy's head, etc.) vs ones that only need to survive a leisurely duck hunt
mircea_popescu: tactical and strategic are properties of abstracts for crying out loud. you can't have a plapable tactical anything anymore than you can have a concrete idea.
asciilifeform: << 'strategic' computer.
mircea_popescu: "a flashlight concerning itself with implementation details, as opposed to broad theoretical considerations"
mircea_popescu: wtf is that.
asciilifeform: lol!
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform are those paralel ports gold or gilded ?
asciilifeform: 'engineering gold'. like our pcb. you don't want pure gold in anything mechanical.
mircea_popescu: but if it's not solid (merely painted on) you get some interesting phenomena
mircea_popescu: of much less interest to someone gilding a pcb than to someone trying to make a parallel connection.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is a concern if and only if the plug must cycle many times.
mircea_popescu: but my uneducated guess looking at the arrangement is that it would ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 2000 @ 0.00029025 = 0.5805 BTC [+] {4}
mircea_popescu: it's the debug port for all that memory no ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: in such cases, one uses, e.g. Ir instead if Au
asciilifeform: *of
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: russian rockets are kept plugged in permanently. no idea re: america.
mircea_popescu: then why bother gilding it, just make it solid.
asciilifeform: Au is SOP for mil-spec connectors.
asciilifeform: if anything, keeps it from corroding on the shelf.
mircea_popescu: (hello people reading the logs, and welcome to mp's personal engineer training hour, where he bothers people who should be doing usefulk things with the task of educating him for free. and now a massage from our sposor.)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform when you said cycle i thought you meant, electrically. as in, hifreq.
asciilifeform: aha no. mechanical cycle.
mircea_popescu: because what i had in mind was that two diff metals make a circuit element.
mircea_popescu: "Suppose you have a company that sets out to make a widget. Let's call it Company A. Its founders are all engineers, of an uncompromising sort, and the widget they design and manufacture is of tremendous longevity, durability and overall quality." << hey check out orlov.
mircea_popescu: excellent. guy really should stick with what he understands well (apparently, engineering and production problems) and forget stuff he doesn't get (like, politics)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: herr orlov was engineer of some description before 'bugged out'
mircea_popescu: They work to boost revenue by offering an extended warranty or a service plan (made necessary by frequent breakdowns), charging for premium customer service (made necessary by their normal customer service, which consists of a robotic phone maze backed by a few trainees in India who just read aloud from Company B's public web site in a listless, stuttering monotone) and offering numerous enhancements and upgrades (made
mircea_popescu: necessary by annoyances or missing functions within the base product). They also build a profit center out of selling spare parts. They see to it that their product does not contain any commodity parts, and that no parts are interchangeable between model years, so that every replacement part has to be purchased through a dealer. Company B does quite well, becoming profitable, doubling in size several times, and gains
mircea_popescu: a commanding market share.
mircea_popescu: But then the troubles begin. First, given the short replacement cycle of its widget, it becomes harder and harder for Company B to contain costs while continuing to increase production. Costs of key inputs, such as certain metals, plastics, energy to run the plants, and shipping and distribution costs, all start going up, making their widgets more expensive to produce. At the same time, it becomes increasingly difficul
mircea_popescu: t to pass these higher costs on to the consumers. Concerted efforts at cost containment, championed by senior management, burn up more money than they find in savings. Second, turnover among the engineering staff starts to creep up, and after a while employee retention becomes a major problem. An effort is made to boost recruitment, but paradoxically this only increases the turnover rate, until the average tenure of an
mircea_popescu: engineer is shorter than the time it takes to learn the product.
mircea_popescu: the rest of that article hereby incorporated, it should be a matter of record this thing.
mircea_popescu: "yes america, it won't work. herp."
asciilifeform: inidentally, orlov swore off writing any further books re: collapse, declaring 'i've said what there is to be said.' making him, afaik, unique in that 'field.'
mircea_popescu: and right next to that,
mircea_popescu: 'But that means that the project will have taken two and a half to three years,' said the Minister indignantly. 'And it was scheduled to take a YEAR!'
mircea_popescu: Bobynin exploded.
mircea_popescu: 'What d'you mean - scheduled? What d'you think science is - a magic wand that you just have to wave to get what you want? Supposing the problem's been put in the wrong terms or new factors crop up? You and your schedule!
asciilifeform: 'my particular narrow focus in this post is in repurposing existing industrial capacity to mass-produce items that will outlive it and that will make post-industrial life better. The way it stands, we'll have lots of very well-built weapons, not so much ammo, lots of well-built but useless industrial equipment, and lots and lots of post-consumer trash. I am trying to find ways to change that balance.'
mircea_popescu: pretty much the bitcoin-bitcoin-assets-wot trifecta is the way, i would wager.
mircea_popescu: all we need is a few ideologically aware writers, and let's hope that they have the sense to give in to the groan-y siren song of a few cam whores
mircea_popescu: because the fate of the free world pretty much rests on it.
asciilifeform: when do we get a gurl reduced not only to camwh0ring, but to selling off her father's pick'n'placer. for coin.
mircea_popescu: orlov specifically isn't here because when i pointed out to him he fucked up, his reaction wasn't the sane and natural "ow fuck me, i fucked up", but the much more common, and much more human "oh it's not really and i didn't really" and so on.
mircea_popescu: lew rockwell similarly, too big for his breeches, by degrees of magnitude.
mircea_popescu: strange how this works, but anyway.
asciilifeform: orlov, if i recall, answers 'bitcoin' with 'the net dies in $nibble years and where's your shortwave, huh. count me out.'
mircea_popescu: that wasn't the disagreement.
mircea_popescu: he had some bad data re romanian inflation, i pointed it out, herbi (who apparently knows him) conveyed it.
mircea_popescu: somehow as people start to smarten up and realise how shitty us management is failing them, the idea doesn't form that they need better management,
asciilifeform wasn't awake for that one
mircea_popescu: the idea forms that either a) they don't need management at all, which yields all the bizarre "decentralise" things trend, among others
mircea_popescu: or else that b) they're going to be their own management, which... myeah.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform (link in 1st note)
assbot: Orlov is wrong, and other stories. pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the ancient 'war' between 'engineer' and 'management' comes from the 'iconography' (believed by more or less all technical folks) of 'manager' as a kind of yacht-dwelling parasitic goblin on all that is good and bright.
mircea_popescu: yeah well.
mircea_popescu: plenty of similarly socially awkward men believe women to be gold digging sluts etc etc.
mircea_popescu: the solution is to get a better wife, not to make womanhood die in a fire.
asciilifeform: it's more like the popular image of 'whore' - based on the specimens one can readily observe with naked eye in american city.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 104 @ 0.008 = 0.832 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: that's fair, in the sense it's fair to represent "engineer" on the basis of kids found loitering around the campus.
asciilifeform: just like, to a fellow without a telescope, a planet is merely a wandering star
asciilifeform: this is precisely how american 'manager' sees american 'engineer'
mircea_popescu: right.
mircea_popescu: speaking of which, here you go nubbins, the dangers of trying to drive a sammich :
mircea_popescu: "Company C is not really a company but a consortium organized by a group of activists who correctly perceive the great need for this widget and decide to tackle the issue head-on through tireless community organizing. A group of retired community college professors..."
mircea_popescu: ahahha o god.
mircea_popescu: "In fact, I know of at least one company just like that. It was run by an engineer who had produced a huge success for his investors, only to see the company fall into the hands of Company B type management. So he created a new company. For years now he has sucked in more and more capital from investors who imagine he might reproduce his initial success. But it's clear (to me) that he has no intention of doing so, exce
mircea_popescu: pt perhaps by mistake. He wants to do interesting engineering and produce new, cool products at the expense of his investors.
mircea_popescu: I'm down with that."
mircea_popescu: this is going to be a major bitcoin problem, going forward.
mircea_popescu: i mean, all the noobs a la neobee's "ceo", alongside andreas antonopoulos were doing exactly this : implement their idea of fun at the expense of investors.
mircea_popescu: of course their idea of fun was more like mba than like engineer's, but that's squarely besides the point.
mircea_popescu: after the failure, the actual ceo disappeared, but antonopoulos reinvented himself as... more "professional".
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 194 @ 0.00269999 = 0.5238 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: this because the market (well, the overcapitalised clueless section of it, anyway) erroneously identifies "professional" with "successful" and ultimately "good".
bitcoinpete: found more f.derps!
assbot: Elliptic takes $2M investment to help firms store and handle bitcoin — Tech News and Analysis
assbot: TradeBlock Raises $2.8 Million From Andreessen Horowitz, Others - MoneyBeat - WSJ
bitcoinpete: elliptic and tradeblock
bitcoinpete: relentless, those veecees
mircea_popescu: good for 'em :D
bitcoinpete: "The firm, which did not disclose its valuation, is something like a Bloomberg for bitcoin, aggregating data and selling products for analyzing pricing trends and other research tools to its institutional client base. Some market data is free on TradeBlock’s website."
bitcoinpete: i bet you tb runs wp
mircea_popescu: herp.
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: lol you're going to end up with more listings than the nasdaq ;)
mircea_popescu: obviously my servers can't handle it.
bitcoinpete: "Elliptic offers a secure, insured bitcoin service called Elliptic Vault for retailers, hedge funds, bitcoin exchanges and other companies that are trying to dabble in this new world of so-called cryptocurrencies."
bitcoinpete: f.derp broke mpex
bitcoinpete: just like they planned
mircea_popescu: well not just yet.
bitcoinpete: yet...
bitcoinpete: << kinda got a kick out of this imagining mccartney selling buffett btc for bitbet
mircea_popescu: lol
mircea_popescu: buffett looks so lost...
danielpbarron: apparently yoko ono has more twitter followers than mccartney
mike_c: buffett is the king of omaha, he can't be lost.
mircea_popescu: nobody can be lost quite like the king.
bitcoinpete: ^can see that
mircea_popescu: !up gabridome
mircea_popescu: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: nobody can be lost quite like the king >>
assbot: Legacy
gabriel_laddel: camgirl script:
gabriel_laddel: Mr./Ms. VIP,
gabriel_laddel: You are hereby invited to join #bitcoin-assets. The interests of current members include: bitcoin, auditable cryptographic equipment, increasing economic inequality worldwide, non-Von Neumann architectures, etcetera. In short, we're repurposing Earth's resources for the pursuit of our collective aesthetic and would appreciate your input.
gabriel_laddel: We hope to see you in-channel.
gabriel_laddel: The girl in question should start unbottoning her shirt at the second incidence of "bitcoin" taking it off ~2 sec after finished speaking. She should then proceed to give her show. Presumably she has some skill at this, and requires no futher direction. The video itself should be free of advertising, logos, watermarks etc. and be shot with a high quality camera.
mircea_popescu: it's a start.
mircea_popescu: but honestly, it lacks a hook. so there's a group somewhere interested in things. why do i gas ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol yup.
gabriel_laddel: gas?
mircea_popescu: give a shit
mircea_popescu: ;;ud gas
gribble: | gas. shit-flavored air. some of the most noxious is fried chicken related! that fuckin chicken gave me gas from hell! where's the air freshener? by da trick biatch ...
mircea_popescu: ha. i invented one!
gabriel_laddel: imo, if you really want them here, you may have to personalize the invitations.
gabriel_laddel: In the case of Nick Sabazo, one could sponsor a robotics contest for a highschool in his neighboorhood. Rules for this contest:
mircea_popescu: problem here is this : i don't want these people on any random terms. they have to come on our terms to be useful. that's a big part of it, smart people are great, educable smart people are actually useful.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Okay, so what are these terms exactly?
mircea_popescu: otherwise you end up in corners like
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel well, the problem is i have nfi.
gabriel_laddel: ;;ud nfi
gribble: | Apple touch icon Download the Free App! 1. nfi. No Fucking Idea. The manager has NFI of the work that goes on around here... by KGB July 10, 2002. 2114 678.
mike_c: if they are not interested in bitcoin it is a non-starter (orlov).
mircea_popescu: but whore-out-of-the-blue seems reasonable as an approach, at least because people who manage to react well to women generally react well to new things.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel no fucking idea.
mike_c: so the message should be "this is the smart bitcoin place"
mircea_popescu: mike_c you know, i was originally not interested in bitcoin.
mike_c: so you weren't ready for b-a
mircea_popescu: yes i was.
mircea_popescu: the way i became part of bitcoin in the first place was an hour or so on the ba of the time
mike_c: but why were you there
mircea_popescu: bitcoin-otc, before fuckwit maxwell ruined it.
mircea_popescu: lucky thing too, that.
mircea_popescu: mike_c i went there because commenters on my blog kept pestering me.
mike_c: because you were knew of, and were interested in learning more about bitcoin. orlov knows and is not interested.
mircea_popescu: i thought i knew, and i thought i wasn't interested.
mircea_popescu: what seduced me, actually, was gribble iding.
mike_c: well then why does orlov end up in that corner?
mircea_popescu: the idea immediately popped that people who are doing this as a matter of course can't be as stupid as i had thought.
asciilifeform: orlov, as i understand, has a very specific reason (i.e. falsifiable hypothesis) that leads to his disinterest.
mircea_popescu: possibly because he's older, and has less experience with whores
mircea_popescu: or the world generally.
pankkake: I had the same experience, I thought bitcoin was only acnee-ridden basement-living 13 year old gamers
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to wit ?
asciilifeform: he is fairly certain that we have already been thrown from the skyscraper, and it is far too late to assemble this particular parachute.
mircea_popescu: ;;google noob mp or how it all begun
gribble: Call of Duty: Ghosts has been one of the worst MP experiences I ...: <>; "At civilization's end", an MP Megacampaign - Page 2 - Paradox ...: < (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: jesus.
asciilifeform: (i admit that i actually store the parachute metaphor from him)
asciilifeform: *stole
pankkake: is this the "i'm a famous romanian blogger, sell me bitcoins?"
mike_c: ok, so there needs to be a hook. mp's was gribble. what would hook szabo?
mircea_popescu: mike_c if you didn't see it.
assbot: Noob MP, or how it all began pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: pankkake pretty much.
mircea_popescu: i tend to bait a lot.
mircea_popescu: mike_c good q.
mircea_popescu: but see, im not so worried of that part. once he's here he'll be ok. getting him here tho.
mike_c: naked women are only good for getting someone to listen to the message, they aren't going to attract them on their own.
mircea_popescu: in other words : we don't have a conversion problem before our eyes.
mircea_popescu: jus' need the clicks.
rithm: naked clicks?
mike_c: right, we need ad copy. ad copy for mp: "we auth with pgp"
rithm: my eyes perked up
mircea_popescu: mike_c nope. ad copy for mp was, "just fucking check it out already omfg you're so wrong"
mike_c: that is the other method: repetition.
mike_c: that's easy. tweet @ szabo every day til he clicks.
mircea_popescu: that sounds more like "get szabo to stop using twitter".
mike_c: you didn't stop using your blog.
mircea_popescu: not that it'd be so hard to repurpose a botnet for utterly destroying twitter.
asciilifeform: << orlov is also convinced that totalitarian monster is still strong, will succeed in crushing anything it likes with remaining tentacles.
assbot: ClubOrlov: Financial Totalitarianism
mircea_popescu: but... whai.
mircea_popescu: mike_c these weren't random people.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: Who do you have in mind for this list other than NS and Taleb?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform an opinion perforce held by any and all govt agents, along an unspecified number of delulded simplefolks.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: would Theil be on it?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and kinda why i have to be so uncharacteristically dismissive of teh various pretender governments.
asciilifeform: like it or not, an apparent total lack of (publicly) expressed interest in bitcoin, is, like it or not, a rational strategic move for some people.
pankkake: one thing to know is that the 140 char limit is 140 unicode chars, not 140 bytes
mike_c: you are talking in circles :) "trusted recommendation" is not a video from camgirl.
mike_c: if we are going in cold, we need ad copy.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel afaik that guy's involved with some leeches "advisaing" him re bitcoin. sooner or later he'll find his way here on his own.
asciilifeform: privately - another matter. i'd be rather surprised if mr. o didn't hold some.
pankkake: I thought of repurposing twitter as a file hoster, but I'm not sure how much overhead this would be :p
mircea_popescu: mike_c no argument.
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: everyone that matters will be here eventually, the question is when.
mircea_popescu: this is not as certain as it may seem.
mircea_popescu: for instance, newton died convinced there's a god.
mike_c: so back to ad copy. "#bitcoin-assets - the richest IRC channel on freenode"
asciilifeform: just like - for example - orlov will delete any comments inquiring about what kind of arms, if any, are to be found aboard his ship
mircea_popescu: mike_c trying to get the sluts or the engineers ?
mike_c: szabo invented bitcoin, right? we have all the bitcoin. that's got to be interesting.
mircea_popescu: only works if he actually did.
mircea_popescu: topic which prolly bristles him anwyay
asciilifeform: not so much because the inspectors don't already know - but because he recoils at the idea of being the center of 'that kind' of conversation.
asciilifeform: from a gut feeling that it can only lead to the wagen.
mircea_popescu: goin further on asciilifeform's very soviet public/private approach, i wonder how many peeps are creaming their pants reading this convo over tor.
mircea_popescu: "said my name! said my name!!1"
asciilifeform: lol!
mike_c: is szabo in wot?
mircea_popescu: re "that kind of conversation" : what point is a boat, if one floats it on a prison lake ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c not as such, afaik.
mircea_popescu: <gabriel_laddel> mircea_popescu: Who do you have in mind for this list << to answer the q, actually it's pretty open. anyone anyone cares for.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov's boat routinely floats about in the open ocean. but, as i understand, he still relies on an intact usa for supply line, and has a day job of some form there. but - unlike me - he also has russian passport. and occasionally makes use of it. so he's something rather like a free man.
mircea_popescu: just as long as he doesn't allow people to talk of guns in his presence ?
mircea_popescu: seems your avg ceo is better of, he just needs to prevent nigger and faggot discussions. guns still ok.
gabriel_laddel: So what we've got so far: There needs to be a list of people that we want here, and reasons why. We don't want them here on any terms and since they're VIP, we should have reasons for each of them. Why NS? Why Taleb specifically?
asciilifeform: the way i understand it, it isn't the gun per se - but the 'crowd'
gabriel_laddel: What roles do you have in mind for them?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel well those two cause i love the shit they wrote and often quote it.
asciilifeform: traditionally, usg prioritizes self-styled 'armed rebel' circles for stoolie insertion and gasenwagen quota filling.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel principally, they could tell me (and others) just how stupid we are. or at least attempt to.
mircea_popescu: you know, like in any intellectual field.
gabriel_laddel: So, peers.
gabriel_laddel: That seems to me to be "just any terms"
mircea_popescu: superficially.
mircea_popescu: generally people want to barge in bringing all the mud of their previous context.
mircea_popescu: their bones scatter the logfile.
mircea_popescu: where's fluffypony's excellent write-up on this subject
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov did recently have a harsh 'brush with reality.' he attended a 'collapse conference' run by his usual circle of people, and was heckled off the stage by 'feminist' types
fluffypony scrolls up
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel there, something like that.
assbot: What I enjoy about #bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lol what'd he do ?
fluffypony: I should retroactively fix those old URLs
mircea_popescu: fluffypony readin' my mind, didja
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: described, briefly, here -
assbot: ClubOrlov: Communities that Abide (Preamble)
mircea_popescu: described by anyone other than the victim ?
mircea_popescu: kinda curious what specifically went into the heckling
mircea_popescu: !up JAS2
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: there's a link to the opponent
mircea_popescu: aite.
mike_c: ok - compile a list of 20 blog posts from blogs.b-a that are appropriate to target. tweet one a day @ target.
mircea_popescu: mike_c think it's mature enough already ?
asciilifeform: << continued, to some extent, here
assbot: ClubOrlov: Death by Political Correctness
mike_c: if we can't come up with at least a dozen posts they might find interesting, then we've got other problems.
asciilifeform: !up gabriel_laddel
asciilifeform: !up gabridome
mircea_popescu: mike_c such as that b-a blogs thing is only half a year old ?
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: You don't have to tell houseguests to flush the toilet. I see no reason you would have to tell SB, Taleb, etc. that they should use their brains. (Which is all I got from fluffypony's post)
mike_c: mircea_popescu: we can certainly backfill with trilema.
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel you bring a very good objection actually.
mircea_popescu: mike_c that's a point.
mircea_popescu: okay, who wants to make a 20 link care package for these ppls ?
gabriel_laddel: On it.
mircea_popescu: !s gabriel_laddel
assbot: 11 results for 'gabriel_laddel' :
mircea_popescu: shit that search is a great thing.
mircea_popescu: lmao get a load of this.
assbot: Sex Gangsters
BingoBoingo: !up SuchWow
BingoBoingo: !up gfest
BingoBoingo: !up andreas_
BingoBoingo: ~up gabridome
BingoBoingo: !up gabridome
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo: %t
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 210 Ask: 242 Last Price: 210 24h-Vol: 35k High: 210 Low: 210 VWAP: 210
gfest: no one here ?
kakobrekla: no one here what
rithm: knock knock
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 311052 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1427 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 1 day, 19 hours, 24 minutes, and 26 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18078433137.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.2807
gfest: !jd
assbot: Just-Dice stat: 19098 BTC profit, 0.0k BTC invested, 1269.21 mio bets, 5.32 mio BTC wagered
mike_c: !satoshidice
davout: !s mpex coming back
assbot: 1 results for 'mpex coming back' :
mircea_popescu: whoa ?
mircea_popescu: gabriel_laddel so who are you ?
mircea_popescu: davout working on it1
gabriel_laddel: mircea_popescu: No one terribly interesting.
davout: :)
danielpbarron: cool, huh?
damier: very groovy
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 614.79, Best ask: 616.8, Bid-ask spread: 2.01000, Last trade: 616.8, 24 hour volume: 5281.88574680, 24 hour low: 610.01, 24 hour high: 625.0, 24 hour vwap: 617.737429346
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I may have missed this in the logs, but what's the timeline on mpex not being kaput?
mircea_popescu: i missed it in the logs too ;/
mircea_popescu: it was supposed to be monday. since then, an ever endless list of various issues, which i am taking care of one at a time, at the rate of about six to ten a day.
fluffypony: aight
mircea_popescu: eventually it's gonna run out of issues, because i'm not running out of days.
fluffypony: all the best :)
gfest: !e
mike_c: !mpif
assbot: F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021704 BTC (Total: 474.63 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ouch who lost wha
mircea_popescu: << harvard edu isn't what it used to be
assbot: Ccbill Bitcoin | Exchange Bitcoin For Real Money
mike_c: !mpif
assbot: F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021704 B (Total: 474.63 B). Delta: -0.65 B. Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00023849 BTC [+]
BingoBoingo: lol
mike_c: ^ now w/ delta
assbot: Why I want Bitcoin to die in a fire - Charlie's Diary
mircea_popescu: "let me tell you what i read on trilema six months ago, in my own words".
mircea_popescu: sadly the words in question are pretty fucking retarded.
mircea_popescu: hmm, anyone willing to do a $5 cc payment for me ?
kakobrekla: i can prolly
fluffypony: I can too
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2000 @ 0.00254563 = 5.0913 BTC [-] {18}
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, for BTC? me me!
danielpbarron: heh probably too late
mircea_popescu: thanks fluffypony danielpbarron, i'll hit you up if this fails or next time.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: re: charlie stross << imagine if cockroaches could write, and one penned an essay on the harm of DDT.
asciilifeform: would it read any differently ?
benkay: lolfarm:
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i love the inanity of "carbon footprint", "gini index" and all the rest of the idiocy.
mircea_popescu: just like the guy i linked the other day, going nuts over someone having mocked him for wearing a gown, these idiots are so trapped in self-referrentiality that they imagine their shit is somehow universal.
mircea_popescu: i deeply care that someone fixated on how things should be pink and round dislikes my computer for being so unpink and nonround.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: don't forget: 'stable governance!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform even funnier, because well... stable is ambiguous.
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform: ^ stable governance
mircea_popescu: right ?
asciilifeform: these folks will indeed 'upgrade' any computer they're left alone with to 'pink and round.'
asciilifeform: 'progressive' algo: 1) infiltrate everything 2) ??? 3) profit 4) begin to get euchred out of the driver's seat 5) wreck it all from spite 6) blame wreckage on вредители.
asciilifeform: we're well into (5) but perhaps it remains possible to throw a wrench in (6)
mircea_popescu: !up iluvfedoras
mircea_popescu: this idea that the progressive's in the driver seat is weird.
mircea_popescu: moiety where've you been!
BingoBoingo: !up moiety
moiety: :]
moiety: short version: life fucking ducks
moiety: sucks also
mircea_popescu: wha happened ?
moiety: i have been reading logs
moiety: i dunno, i have this condition where the rug cannot seem to be able to stay underneath me for any length of time.
kakobrekla: is that some metaphor or literal?
moiety: metaphor...i never get as far as having a real rug :P
BingoBoingo: ;;later tell nubbins` Do you print rugs?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: ok well, i need a bunch of secretarial stuff done. you game ?
moiety: lol BB
moiety: sure what you needing done mircea_popescu?
kakobrekla: there is this thing that you can put under the rug to make it non slippery
kakobrekla: saw it in IKEA.
bitstein: <+moiety> short version: life fucking ducks << Yikes.
assbot: Duck Rape |
moiety: i need it! lol i dont even care about the damn rug. i'm just trying to secure a spo for the rug to stay at.. if that makes sense
moiety: spot*
kakobrekla: oh you on the move again?
moiety: not if i can help it. i love the sex weeks flat
mircea_popescu: lol what the hell happened ther.e
moiety: bitstein: well... um.. thanks... i havent ever been frightened of ducks before...
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moiety: life happened mircea_popescu ... just keeps happening.
kakobrekla: dat bastard.
mircea_popescu: mthreat backed by ?
kakobrekla: Created by Jake Boggan and Tim Parilla
assbot: Bitfuture Contract Platform | About Us
kakobrekla: fail link to linkedin
kakobrekla: for both
mircea_popescu: heh.
BingoBoingo: ;;8ball
gribble: Maybe...
BingoBoingo: %ob
atcbot: 722@279 30k@278 43k@242 | 215k@210 200k@202 45k@201
BingoBoingo: ;;google manul taking a poop
gribble: Nigger Owner's Manual: <>; Taking that shit to the next level - Imgur: <>; constipation - Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine: <>
penguirker: New blog post:
dub: wat
mircea_popescu: "Gail insinuates that Albert Bates is an environmentalist hypocrite because he flies a lot. Albert does travel a lot but goes to great personal effort to physically mitigate carbon from his travel footprint, and this is obvious from even a cursory glance at his website. Overall, he is very much carbon-negative, while Gail goes on aimless drives through the countryside in her gigantic, gas-
mircea_popescu: guzzling Toyota Landcruiser to look at dead leaves."
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what the fuck is going on in this guy's head, engaging in a debate on these terms ?
mircea_popescu: what happened to "who the fuck even cares" already.
mircea_popescu: "Her blog's comments section is a sort of Land of the Lost: people who inhabit the comments sections of unmoderated blogs, and who are perpetually miffed that no half-decent blog will post their comments."
mircea_popescu: fuck him. the pretense that liars & scammers, which is without exception anyone who fucking "moderates" are somehow ethically superior to actual people is morally offensive.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: orlov is an incorrigible believer in an impending pollutionocalypse.
mircea_popescu: even if he were.
mircea_popescu: it's still not germane to the discussion.
asciilifeform: actually it is. he started censoring comments when noticed that 99 out of 100 are 'wake up, climatocalypse is a sham'
mircea_popescu: soo ?
mircea_popescu: of course he started censoring once he didn't like what he was hearing.
asciilifeform: right
asciilifeform: he's one of the folks who only like conversation on their own terms.
mircea_popescu: that can't be a matter of content.
mircea_popescu: This is why every successful community I've looked at knows how to exclude (shun, expel) people. Every successful community jealously safeguards its separateness from the surrounding society. This is critical to their survival and for achieving much better outcomes for their members than the surrounding society.
mircea_popescu: see, on some level he understands this. expel PEOPLE.
mircea_popescu: you can't fucking expel ideas.
asciilifeform: i'm not even 100% convinced that orlov actually believes in anthropogenic climatocalypse. what is more or less certain is that he wants industrial civilization off the gameboard, asap. and is willing to support just about any ideology which promises to help the process along.
mircea_popescu: kinda naive approach. there's nothing worse than winning with the wrong people for the wrong reasons.
mircea_popescu: that's how all the "worse than before" stories work.
asciilifeform: his 'collapse' writings are excellent in many ways, but one gets an inescapable feeling that the 'doctor' is not really interested in curing the 'patient.' instead, he would like to see the patient - and his children, and his children's children - croak asap.
mircea_popescu: you mean what, teh us ?
BingoBoingo: !Up moiety
asciilifeform: even with an incurable patient - the approach is rather irritating.
asciilifeform: orlov's 'patient' is all of technological civilization, roughly steam age and up
mircea_popescu: also kinda naive.
penguirker: New blog post:
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i suspect that orlov's personal wank fantasies have clouded his mind. e.g., he proclaimed, gleefully, that the uninhabitable wastelands of russia will become arable land due to warmocalypse, and the era of anglo-yoke will give way to a russian mega-hegemony
moiety: thank you BB
mircea_popescu: dubious how arable uninhabited land can be.
BingoBoingo: Pollutionocalypse is possible, more likely than specific carbonacalypse
mircea_popescu: but sure, as the ice moves around we may get to various mineral riches in siberia, canda etc
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo not nearly as sexy. it was possible based on pre-ww2 england style industrialisation.
BingoBoingo: yw moiety
mircea_popescu: modern industry... hardly.
asciilifeform: people generally end up believing in the things they wish to see happen.
mircea_popescu: one needs to come up with very exotic avenues to realise it, now that simple coal soot isn't gonna cut it
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: For sure. I imagine at somepoint biotech polution may fit the bill, but we are talking about the difference between getting a straight flush and a royal flush in a game of Blackjack.
asciilifeform: what's wrong with good old fashioned fallout ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform that it ain't gonna happen.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo as a lower bound.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: More possible, but I dunno I'd count that a pollutionacolypse.
BingoBoingo: fallout prolly ought to get its own category for its inconvenience
mircea_popescu: what inconvenience exactly ? suppose the current level of radiation in japan becomes worldwide.
mircea_popescu: first off, that'd take very much fissile material.
mircea_popescu: second off, it's fucking difficulkt to achieve uniformity. most likely you'll have to get peaks and lows, needing even more fissiles.
mircea_popescu: and the result ? not even 1% culling of the herd ?
mircea_popescu: some of the weak and shitty die, life expectancy a little shorter ?
mircea_popescu: sounds hardly threatening.
BingoBoingo: I worry about radiation producing more stupid
mircea_popescu: radiation produces more random.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: except in extreme cases (fissiles concentrating up the foodchain, zapping anything more interesting than a slime mold) what you get is precisely 'more stupid' - that is, a population heavy on the young.
mircea_popescu: basically nuclear weapons, as well as tomahawks, aircraft carriers and so on are further elements in a class of weapons inaugurated by the byzantines, with their greek fire :
mircea_popescu: the weapons which the eventual loser uses.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform a population heavy on the young is not more stupid, it's more strippers.
BingoBoingo: The eventual loser doesn't always allow the winners victory unscathed
mircea_popescu: and better strippers, at that.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo the winner wins specifically because doesn't care about scathing.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: mostly because they tend to get discovered close to an empire's peak complexity (i.e. collapse prelude)
mircea_popescu: that's what makes greek fire et all the weaponry of the losers.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform debatable which is the chain of causality. imo it's just because they promote a wrong approach to fighting.
mircea_popescu: think of the young russki kids and their street culture. who is going to be respected who doesn't know to take a punch ?
asciilifeform: greek fire << interestingly, i recall that opponents captured siphons, couldn't figure out how to work them, threw them out
mircea_popescu: no matter how many he may throw.
mircea_popescu: "didn't care enough to use them"
mircea_popescu: germania and gaul are still fucking germanic, notwithstanding all the genocides cesar & co drove there.
asciilifeform: zulus, amerinds, etc eagerly picked up rifles, however. so this tells us something.
mircea_popescu: and the latin influence comes from the veterans that settled there, much like a us army guy retiring to vietnam
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu: it does.
moiety: BingoBoingo: i worry about stupid producing more stupid
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Get your stuff back yet?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform to put this in a better perspective : i do not have dedicated tools to discipline my slaves. i use whatever i feel like using at the time, or nothing at all. i've used vacuum cleanning tubes, wire hangers, braided electric cord, belts, chunks of wook, rolled up newspaper, whatever. cooking spatulas.
mircea_popescu: some other dood somewhere has this truely ellaborate and complex punishment station, cost him 18`000 dollars
mircea_popescu: plus assorted tools and weaponry.
Duffer1: bingoboingo they never got anything, just control of my email, new comp parts get here thursday and friday
mircea_popescu: the only problem is... well... in his 38 years of 'being a dom" so far, he's had a slave for a total of 3 years, if you add it all up.
mircea_popescu: hue hue.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Reading about "vacuum cleanning tubes" was life changing
Duffer1: bingoboingo
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo o was it ?
mircea_popescu: but anyway : the eventual winner doesn't quite have the same needs from his equipment as the eventual loser does.
asciilifeform: Duffer1: wintel, yuck
mircea_popescu: if teh muricans really just wanted "something that shoots and a bus ticker there", i'd have been really worried about the afghanistani.
mircea_popescu: as the situation is reversed however... no amount of derpage can possibly help.
Duffer1: i'll be doing everything sensitive from my offline comp from now on
Duffer1: new habits all that
Duffer1: ubuntu
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: I might suggest playing around with something like this
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mircea_popescu: Duffer1 wisdom comes to they who get burned :)
asciilifeform: 'something that shoots and a bus ticker there' >> magical formula! described what i suspect every adult male alive really wants
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: You've been burned once, skip nigbuntu
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Yeah, swing the thing as hard as you like and on a forgiving surface it has a maximum impact force.
asciilifeform: ;;google something that shoots and a bus ticket there
gribble: Las Vegas, NV - Hotel Deals, Things to Do - Downtown Bus Stop ...: <>; Almost Bought a Guy a Bus Ticket | The Billfold: <>; MTS - How To Ride - San Diego Metropolitan Transit System: <>
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 80 @ 0.00739622 = 0.5917 BTC [-] {7}
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform lmao las vegas.
BingoBoingo: Duffer if you really want a *nix for not very *nix'y people Scientific Linux is pretty good.
Duffer1: nix?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: incidentally, good student project: msdos port of bitcoind.
mircea_popescu: its how they call unix inspired oses like linux when they're being cool.
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you'd have to diddle the NIC directly, i suspect, but what does that matter.
Duffer1: ah hehe
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform looked into it. won't work : no good msdos db.
mircea_popescu: takes too long.
asciilifeform: no port of bdb ?
asciilifeform: too posixy?
mircea_popescu: want some novell ?
asciilifeform: lol
asciilifeform gags
mircea_popescu: no no, here. it even ha snetware.
asciilifeform diddled netware as a bad schoolboy
mircea_popescu: cp/m seems a better option
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: *nix basically refers to everything after AT&T Unix 7
asciilifeform: hell, bare metal.
Duffer1: thanks man, i'm reading about it now (scientific linux)
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: It is a RHEL clone so pushes a person to look towards general Unixy admining habits instead of very OS X type solutions like apt-get
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: As you ease yourself into unixy environments consider this advice if you decide to run a full desktop environment
assbot: Choosing A Linux Desktop Environment for Newbs and n00bs | Bingo Blog
Duffer1: perfect
BingoBoingo: Death is seriously stomping some colons nao
assbot: Game 17 - Death 6075 Life 3925 Year 543 - War of Life
mike_c: i notice death sniped the last paid bomb :)
BingoBoingo: mike_c: If ther is anything to learn from the Atc games, bomb sniping is going to be "a thing"
mike_c: recommended strategy: which ever way the house is leaning on the pre-game bets, go the other way.
mike_c: BingoBoingo: yeah, i kind of like that.
mircea_popescu: mike_c does that actually do anything ?
mike_c: hm?
mike_c: oh, my strategy? no, just the house has been on the losing side the last couple games.
mircea_popescu: lol k
mike_c: btw, jurov, that mid-line on the history chart what you had in mind?
BingoBoingo: !up Duffer1
moiety: i know youve been missing it
moiety: dont try to deny it
moiety: MOTD
BingoBoingo: mike_c: I think giant orange arrows on both sides of the histogram would prolly be least obstructing
moiety: youre welcome
BingoBoingo: So fuzzy
moiety: IKR!
mike_c: BingoBoingo: blinking arrows would be better :)
moiety: my ambition in lfe is to have a picture like mircea's pyramids, but with me on a giant manul instead
BingoBoingo: mike_c: Blinking should alway be opt in
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe some day you buy Monsanto?
BingoBoingo: Or breed Manul with various big cats until large enough?
moiety: BB: 2 is more appealing
moiety: WAIT
moiety: perhaps not
moiety: imagine having free reigh over mosanto
moiety: reign*
BingoBoingo: !up gabridome
BingoBoingo: !up gabriel_laddel
BingoBoingo: moiety: My concern is that it seems any cat of ridable size is probably going to be person eating. Now if you could get a horse with Manul hair...
moiety: what did yous think of that hand held checmical scanner?
BingoBoingo: looks like scam
moiety: BB, horses are bigger and they dont eat us....
BingoBoingo: Well, they don't yet...
assbot: Cravendale - Cats with Thumbs #CatsWithThumbs - YouTube
moiety: they are way ahead of you BB
moiety: HOLY SHIT did you just say a manul sized beast with manul fluff
moiety: kk... so... dying of happiness IS REAL!
BingoBoingo: lol
moiety: aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand now you can calculate why im support staff rather than a forerunner....
BingoBoingo: I'm just wondering what happens if manul fluff could scale up to arbitrarily large beasts, like rhinocerous, elephant, or Tillikum
moiety: can tillikum really have the fluff and still retain it'[s social standing?
BingoBoingo: I'm more wondering if Tillikum can have fluff and still surface to breathe seeing that Tillikum is Sea World's resident maneater
princessnell: i am sorry to be the bearer of bad kitsch, but:
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moiety: i feel like i have an attachment to this thing that i thought you had made up enitrely!
mircea_popescu: princessnell no you're not
moiety: ohgod nell im frightened to click!
assbot: Whale Kills Trainer at Sea World - YouTube
BingoBoingo: That was Tillikum's 4th confirmed kill of the revolution
princessnell: i am expecting big things from this bitcoin girl.
BingoBoingo: !up go1111111
mircea_popescu: princessnell the sense to not put her legs forth among them ?
BingoBoingo: !up aegis
princessnell: i am happy to see that she is diversifying with doge
moiety: princessnell: what did you just do to me?! what did you just do yto me senses!
moiety just watched the bitcoingirl vid
mircea_popescu: we should have a groan-off. this vs the taleb vid.
asciilifeform: does anybody still use otc?
moiety: i went to otc once to tell then i was really me asciilifeform
princessnell: moiety, would you say this vid about sums your experience as a btc grrl?
moiety: mircea_popescu: lets make it fun... no money. all groans.
moiety: princessnell: now at all personally. what about you ?
moiety: not*
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: I still use it occasionally
asciilifeform: ;;buy 1 "CNC x,y,z stage, any manufacturer, with motors and controller." at 2 BTC
gribble: Order id 21092 created.
asciilifeform doubts that anything will come of this, but tries anyway
BingoBoingo: You would prolly get a bunch of pm spam if you still accepted pm's off your whitelist
mike_c: princessnell: that video is hilarious
princessnell: moiety no, i think this is pretty specific to american narcissists with girl-who-accepts-bitcoin-the-internet-syndrome.
moiety: princessnell: so your reason for asking me being.....?
princessnell: i was kidding ;)
BingoBoingo remembers last order getting offers to buy the half bitcoin I put up for sale. Reminded parties I wanted to sell half a bitcoin for $5000 then they asked if I could do market minus X%. Said Fuck you $6000 nao.
moiety: noted ;]
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i do yes.
moiety: princessnell: also...i'm not american hun
mike_c: we can't all be perfect
asciilifeform: anybody here buy physical objects -otc ?
mike_c: pankkake has sold a few i believe
moiety: mike_c: the day you offer me a manul instead of a unicorn as national animal.. i'm in!
princessnell: didn't think you were, but noted!
mike_c: moiety: lol, i'll start a petition
asciilifeform shopping for object that is gathering dust in many a garage, but would cost 10x the offered price if bought new from reputable vendor. see logs, 'golden toilet.'
moiety: win!
mike_c: ;;view pankkake
gribble: Error: No orders found matching these criteria.
mike_c: well, he either sold or gave up
moiety: princessnell: i'm insignificant where im from.but if we can ever work together, we should :D
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform in fairness, im not so sure it works for non-bitcoin stuff.
princessnell: moiety always open to creating value with good people
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: aye, suspected as much. but worth a shot.
mircea_popescu: indeed.
mircea_popescu is now curious what the galz be up to.
mike_c: ;;view 20297
gribble: Error: No orders found matching these criteria.
moiety: same, princessnell :]
mike_c: !up gabriel_laddel you should get in the wot
moiety: mircea_popescu: prolly working on something to make you smile, no?
mircea_popescu: now thats a thought.
moiety: asciilifeform: please keep the typewriter til i can buy it XD
kakobrekla: ascii if youd only be in yurop.
asciilifeform: moiety: what made you think i still own a typewriter?
mircea_popescu: "Once cesareans are no longer available, we should expect a lot of those deaths will be in childbirth. "
moiety: well.. ok not typewriter... im just unsure what they called those things
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: why? you have an example of the item i posted ad for ?
mircea_popescu: somebody should tell orlov how caesarean section got to be called that.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform sort of.
moiety: "Once cesareans are no longer available....." << now thats intesreting
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: care to take a photo ?
moiety: interesting*
kakobrekla: i thought i pasted em before?
moiety: hello bloctoc
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: i must've slept through it
moiety: GASP!
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: someone should tell orlov who invented surgical forceps, and what they were originally for
moiety: you do not sleep... laser just shines slightly less birght green
mircea_popescu: and so on.
kakobrekla: give me a moment.
moiety: phgod someeone please tell me im not still the only one on earth
BingoBoingo: lol
nam-shub: !ticker mpex s.mpoe
assbot: Um, shouldn't you be with your own tribe or somethin'?
moiety: oh werll fuck
moiety: butbut we are
BingoBoingo: moiety: What if they know?
kakobrekla: asciilifeform i cant find more recent photos but basically x and y are functional, z is not finished yet but i have the materials.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: what was it meant to become ?
kakobrekla: yeah the legs are also missing there.
kakobrekla: a general purpuse thing
kakobrekla: the Z axis should have something like 25cm of travel
kakobrekla: you could put anything on it really.
kakobrekla: spindle, laser, pencil, dildo
asciilifeform: i was looking for something with ball screws & steel slides, i admit
asciilifeform: (need 0.1mm repeatability)
kakobrekla: hm i dont have that measured but the step is way smaller
kakobrekla: 0.025 iirc?
kakobrekla: i forgot.
kakobrekla: the ball screw is 4mm iirc
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: tried it with motors yet ?
kakobrekla: yea
kakobrekla: 12nm steppers i got.
asciilifeform: if you go between (x, y) and (x', y') 10,000 times, what's the cumulative error ?
kakobrekla: i dont know and i cant test it now. due to lack of space its not in operational mode.
mike_c: wtf is that monstrosity. looks like a loom
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: let me guess - space is occupied by whatever you machined that thing with ?
kakobrekla: i thing me and my friend started to work some years ago.
kakobrekla: lol no asciilifeform
kakobrekla: i had some connections to people with the big machines to machine it for me
kakobrekla: but i mean if there was a real need i would prolly invest the time to assemble it again
mircea_popescu: mike_c kakobrekla was making a fucking machine then got carried away
mircea_popescu: (the boat part is not visible in the pics)
kakobrekla: actually that is the truth
mike_c: for a donkey?
kakobrekla: it started as a desktop version
kakobrekla: but then due to the small difference in prices and procedures to get a bigger one
kakobrekla: i opted for that.
kakobrekla: now i have nowhere to put it.
kakobrekla: :D
moiety: which one of you did this? be honest now
assbot: Nobody ever accepts my invitation :( - Imgur
kakobrekla: twas tradefortress
moiety: is h really free hugs now?
moiety: he*
kakobrekla: mhm
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moiety: do scammers have day jobs too?
moiety: ive been trying to track how much this stuff would take. they need a dayfund or an undocumented skill
assbot: The State of The American Dog - Esquire
moiety: kakobrekla: why did my hug fund not work?! is it because it wasnt free?!
artifexd: GSD's are the best dogs
moiety: artifexd: so true
kakobrekla: you have a hug fund? thats new to me. did it ipo?
artifexd: <- mine
moiety: mama-mo just acquired a new pooch - cocker spaniel tho
moiety: artifexd: beautiful!
mircea_popescu: artifexd aahahah that's a good dog.
artifexd: Other types of dogs have their place. But that place is not in my house.
moiety: kakobrekla: i think i failed by not having an ipo
artifexd: She's 7 months old in that 2 month old picture.
mircea_popescu: what's she begging for ?
artifexd: Nothing. She's just chilling.
benkay: she's a beaut
moiety: saw a gentleman out other day with 5 GSDs. all differing colourings. must have been a breeder
artifexd: Thanks.
artifexd: Can you believe that the AKC considers a white GSD a defect?
moiety: WUT
artifexd: Yup
moiety: how does that even
moiety: why?
BingoBoingo: Almost got a dog last week...
moiety: BB... i disappoint at the @almost@
artifexd: I have no idea. They have some crazy ideas.
moiety: artifexd: the one i grew up with was incredibly nervous. perfect show lines aside from the fear so we got her as a pet. most wonderful creature
artifexd: Look at the bottom of that link. Under disqualifications, "White dogs"
cazalla: i don't know how anyone can have animals in their house tbh
cazalla: then again, i eat my pets
BingoBoingo: moiety: I was going for a walk at about 2 in the morning and some stranger yells "Is this your dog". The dog in question is a brown bull mastiff puppy about 24 inches tall at the withers. Dude has it leashed to his belt says it ran in front of his truck....
moiety: @disqualifications: Any dog that attempts to bite the judge.<< lololololololol
artifexd: Different strokes for different folks. My wife feels the same way. She deals with it though.
moiety: cazalla: what pets do you eat?!
cazalla: rabbits, manuls, anything
artifexd: Manuls!?!?!
artifexd: lol
moiety: BingoBoingo: omg that man needs eaten imo
moiety: and not in thwe way he would like
cazalla: moiety: seriously though, rabbits
moiety: cazalla: GASP manuls would leave you bald bfore you had a mouthful!
moiety: rabbits really?
artifexd: When I was growing up, I had a pet rabbit named Ghost. One day I come home from school and we have soup for lunch. It was different. After dinner I asked what it was. My dad replied "Ghost soup". Sure enough. I had just eaten my pet.
moiety: theres nmillions round here but people just dont eat them anymore
BingoBoingo: moiety: Lol, I considered saying yes that's my dog, but... way too friendly for a bull mastiff. Such a dog allow some stranger to leash it with a belt without a fight.
BingoBoingo: rabbits are delicious
cazalla: artifexd: i can't wait to pull a similar joke on my son
benkay: artifexd: mine:
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moiety: BB this makes me so sad though, cus they are just more open to fighing breeding?
moiety: ITS POOCH!
artifexd: benkay: Did he give it back to you? My dog likes to run around with the ball (a green soccer ball) for a while before she brings it back.
benkay: 80 pounds of high-efficiency dog engine.
benkay: oh yeah.
benkay: lol i can't give g a soccer ball - he'd rather destroy it than anything else.
artifexd: Oh, the ball has a 100 punctures in it, but it is still her favorite.
artifexd: Is your dog 80 lbs in the video?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, it is a guard dog breed and I have nothing for such a dog to guard, especially while not being so friendly
benkay: this group of hipsters plays dodgeball in the tennis courts you can see behind me in that video every monday, and frequently leave deflated dogeballs behind. rubber sacks the miniature dragon in question would rather rip to shreds than chase.
benkay: artifexd: you bet.
benkay: maybe 75.
benkay: he oscillates, as do we all.
artifexd: Dense
benkay: yeah. there's not much by way of hair on the animal.
artifexd: Beautiful. Not a GSD. ;) But still beautiful.
benkay: that volume is all muscle and bone.
benkay: thanks! i'm enamored.
moiety: BingoBoingo: yes you do. you.
artifexd: I'm going to Ecuador for a week so I just dropped her off with our trainer to kennel her. I'm feeling a little... I don't know. But she's on my mind. Hence the discussion.
moiety: :]
moiety: she will have missed you just as much artifexd :]
artifexd: It'll be the first time she's ever been away from me for more than an hour since she was 8 weeks old.
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe? I dunno... Loud dog that grows to that size as an adult, as opposed to one that's still a growing puppy at that size seems more practical to feed
moiety: i think that wiull be the biggest thing for her artifexd ... but she will manage and so will you :] and the cuddles after twill prove it :D
moiety: BB you thinking on epxanding ghr boinge family name??
moiety: expanding the boingo family na,e* (sorry elvis on keyboard)
moiety: naMe
BingoBoingo: moiety: Maybe eventually
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benkay: grammae question
benkay: grammar*
BingoBoingo: !up Rawted
benkay: "cost control on which <our client>, the least technical stakeholder relied in extremis"
Rawted: Hello Bingo
benkay: this is a correct use of "in extremis, correct?"
Rawted: ;;eauth rawted
gribble: Request successful for user rawted, hostmask Rawted!~Rawted@ Get your encrypted OTP from
benkay: "in extremis", correct?
BingoBoingo: Hello Rawted, what brings you around these parts?
moiety: BB but you have to. so like to conferences we can send you and the dog.. like..: yes this is dog... bingoboino's dog so Fuuuuuuuuuuuu - kinda thing
Rawted: someone's nick squatting on my nick. its been long enough that i havent logged into otc that the enfore wore off
Rawted: so i am trying to remember how to do it again
moiety: it does not wear pff
BingoBoingo: moiety: This is why I hang out with my brother's dog occasionally. So I don't have to do the heavy lifting.
moiety: you set it to on, it stays on
Rawted: michail told me after 10 weeks it falls off and i need to log back in. said someone was squatting on my nick today
BingoBoingo: moiety: Well, this is the freenode thing about the nicks
moiety: Rawted: what was your usual nick?
Rawted: that's me. you'll see michail's positive rating changed today because of it -
assbot: Rating Details for User 'Rawted'
moiety: BingoBoingo: whyyyyyyyyyyyyy is nothing siiiiimple?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Because Freenode is always the weakest link
moiety: and having strokes every third day
Rawted: verify message, right?
Rawted: in the new core distro
mircea_popescu: o look, Rawted
moiety: BingoBoingo: btw, you mentioned lucite g-blocks. i wondered about keyrings also?
mircea_popescu: ;;rated Rawted
Rawted: MP
gribble: You have not yet rated user Rawted
Rawted: long time
mircea_popescu: you go ;;eauth rawted then ;;everify
BingoBoingo: moiety: Wouldn't hurt... In what context did I mention those?
Rawted: yeah core is telling my it doesnt match when i try to verify
Rawted: positive i have original addy
Rawted: *telling me
BingoBoingo: -1 to Bitcoin signature's for shit other than tx signing
moiety: BingoBoingo: it was a random birthing of creativity on your part i think.
Rawted: ;;eauth rawted
gribble: Request successful for user rawted, hostmask Rawted!~Rawted@ Get your encrypted OTP from
BingoBoingo: Huh, well... Imma trying to remember what sort of lucite blocks I'd invented the idea of then...
moiety: BingoBoingo: HOW about the paperweitghts lit up though? as per transaction or confirmation?
BingoBoingo: Oh, those ones
moiety: wtf what ones
Rawted: ;;everify ICSqGoHFAe/sqnnDOELuqmT4T1wsDY63WKblTySQoGJ4mPVWGwFAxhF+kAVQtkv/E41SyAvvzvfC1mV2OwWdf94=
gribble: Error: Incorrect one-time password. Try again.
Rawted: the fuck
moiety: i was thinking lucite cube avec neopixel stick
BingoBoingo: Rawted: ;;eauth is decrypt with GPG
moiety: Rawted: did you decrypt the thing given to you?
Rawted: whats the one for btc addy lo. been a while...
BingoBoingo: moiety: Blockchain as a collection of lucite bocks with the data engraved. Machine spits a new one out each time a new one is confirmed
benkay: bcauth, bcverify Rawted ?
Rawted: duh. thanks bud
Rawted: ;;bcauth
gribble: (bcauth <nick>) -- Initiate authentication for user <nick>. You must have registered with the bot with a bitcoin address for this to work. You will be given a random passphrase to sign with your address, and submit to the bot with the 'bcverify' command. Your passphrase will expire within 10 minutes.
Rawted: ;;bcauth rawted
gribble: Request successful for user rawted, hostmask Rawted!~Rawted@ Your challenge string is: freenode:#bitcoin-otc:4b0e85c80194640f05fece026b398166bbbbacfa29240283791183b5
assbot: Bitcoin address authentication - bitcoin-otc wiki
moiety: also... gribble works in pm..cus.. other folk like to talk too sometimes n all that :]
Rawted: ;;bcverify H3nydUdT1oCchrdkEc67WtC9QaQXieVlZTsdtZmgJyl6cG9OuUXB4NtGvIJXNjrsH9JhNIWcrKFJEz0I0U2YHeQ=
gribble: You are now authenticated for user 'Rawted' with address 16JCobZmcPkLCVzi9G7rnf7mJgbbJd1DLT
Rawted: ;;voiceme
benkay: it's !up, i think that you want.
Rawted: so much has changed
Rawted: thanks
BingoBoingo: Rawted: You need to pm assbot !up
Rawted: Thanks for the help everyone, hopefully that reenforces the nick
Rawted: have a great night
benkay: ciao
benkay: <mircea_popescu> not that it'd be so hard to repurpose a botnet for utterly destroying twitter. // now there's a notion
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 613.9, Best ask: 616.89, Bid-ask spread: 2.99000, Last trade: 614.18, 24 hour volume: 5390.40583525, 24 hour low: 610.01, 24 hour high: 625.0, 24 hour vwap: 616.720660682
mircea_popescu: benkay all it needs is a bunch of ips making accoutns and generating text.
mircea_popescu: by the time every human is surrounded by 100s of bots, it's dead.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 11500 @ 0.00006689 = 0.7692 BTC [+] {2}
benkay: i will bring ruination on all social everythings
benkay: why is griefing the platform not a thing?
benkay: griefing users is boring. grief the platform.
moiety: yeah
benkay: lol yeah moiety you know all about that huh
moiety: ofc i know everything about everything tho
moiety: no wait im usually the platform being griefed!
moiety: can i just say tht ^ made sense in my head before aloudness?!
assbot: Last 2 lines bashed and pending review. ( )
BingoBoingo: !b 2
benkay: been drinkin, moiety ?
moiety: i was just about to ask you not to do that too
benkay: reaction time
BingoBoingo: I've been drinking
benkay: i've had...a beer.
moiety: benkay, obv no. sort of.
benkay: we also split 2 bottles of prosecco to celebrate the new digs.
BingoBoingo: beer's not drinking, that's taking a hydration break
moiety: new digs? work or home?
benkay: lady v made a chocolate cake with raspberry compote and a chocolate ganache to boot
benkay: work
benkay: 352 ft^2
moiety: lady v sounds cool, can you bring here here too?
benkay: in a sweaty sweaty warehouse
benkay: nah, she'd not get along with mircea_popescu
BingoBoingo: I watched Dr Strangelove again and fired up Fallout 3 this week so on a nuclear apocalypse kick. Drinking grain alcohol and distilled water
BingoBoingo: I keep forgetting distilled water gives me heartburn
moiety: distilled water?!
benkay: yeah whaty?
moiety: !up paxtoncamaro91
paxtoncamaro91: thanks
BingoBoingo: What has no one talking nao ever seen Dr Strangelove? POE, Purity of Essence.
moiety: benkay: i cant see someone with you being rude, and neither is he, so problem being?
BingoBoingo: It's all the wise general ever drank.
moiety: yw paxtoncamaro91 :] what do you do?
BingoBoingo: !up VanCleef
paxtoncamaro91: irl? auto tech lol
BingoBoingo: !up Ukyo
BingoBoingo: !up reeses
moiety: BB i have heard of one strangelove film...something to do with a bomb. how many are there?
BingoBoingo: moiety: Just one. Kubrick made it.
moiety: ah well that makes sense
BingoBoingo: It's all the plot left room for...
moiety: he took cwo ogff the shelves himself
BingoBoingo: !up Dimsler
BingoBoingo: !up davidlatapie
asciilifeform: twitter... botnet << no 'captcha' ?
decimation: mircea: the chance of a random integer from 1 to x being prime is about 1/ln(x)
davidlatapie: Hi BingoBoingo I'll probably go to bed soon
decimation: so a number from 0 to 2^4096 has about 1 in 2900 chance of being prime
BingoBoingo: davidlatapie: Cool
decimation: so start rolling
decimation: asciilifeform: I actually have a set of casino quality dice
decimation: but I'm sure they 'wear' over time
decimation: they have very sharp edges and balanced numeral indicators
BingoBoingo: I have a few sets of dice for different uses
decimation: thinking about this last night, there's a limit to the number of dice you can roll simultaneously
decimation: in the limit you are not going to move a m^3 of dice at all
asciilifeform: with bare hands, sure.
benkay imagines an m3 of dice
benkay: that's the biggest damn boggle box ever!
decimation: one would require mechanical assistance
asciilifeform: decimation: such as:
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
benkay: put a nice HD camera in there and you might capture...*some* entropy.
decimation: and if you are going to go through that trouble, might as well build a high bandwidth source of random values
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 26350 @ 0.00006699 = 1.7652 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: ;;google Bitcoin drama timeline
gribble: The Bitcoin Drama Timeline pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>; Runcible Doom pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <>; Why S.MPOE is worth more than MtGox pe Trilema - Un blog de ...: <>
benkay: yeah but where's the fun in that, decimation. it's not like the thing'd be useful anyways
benkay: it's like a fuel-cooled methane regen engine
benkay: fucker's never going to fly, but it's a grand thing to build nevertheless
decimation: oh, I mean an electrical device
mircea_popescu: <benkay> i will bring ruination on all social everythings <<hence my comment re partially implemented wots and their fundamental unsustainability.
decimation: not a chumpatron on nitrous
mircea_popescu: <benkay> nah, she'd not get along with mircea_popescu << wait wut
assbot: Rocket Moonlighting: Testing the New Chambers
benkay: now you get to prove me wrong
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo you know f3 fucking sucks. i sometimes fire up 1 or 2... but 3mmeh
benkay: mircea_popescu: ^^
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But catching slaves. I spared megaton the bomb, because it deserves worse...
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> twitter... botnet << no 'captcha' ? << trivial to bypass.
mircea_popescu: <decimation> mircea: the chance of a random integer from 1 to x being prime is about 1/ln(x) << you just use the entropy to seed, much like pgp does. you don't actually roll the prime itself.
decimation: mircea of course that's how things are done today, but you are back in deterministic world at that point...
mircea_popescu: <benkay> this is a correct use of "in extremis, correct?" << sure.
mircea_popescu: i must have missed a thread here.
BingoBoingo: ;;google mesmotron
gribble: Mesmetron - The Fallout wiki - Fallout: New Vegas and more: <>; How to Use Slave Collars in Fallout 3 | eHow: <>; Fallout 3 strange man and location - YouTube: <>
mircea_popescu: the idea was that you can replace the platform's rng, in extremis, by rolling dice.
BingoBoingo: ^ would make brewing biodeisel easier
mircea_popescu: someone said this isn't feasible. that someone is wrong : takes you about the same time to wait for gnupg to cook up a new keypair whether the source is dev/random or your dice.
BingoBoingo: Death's advance accelerates. Is this approaching extinction level again?
assbot: Game 17 - Death 6077 Life 3923 Year 560 - War of Life
decimation: I was echoing ascii's distinction between prng and rng
benkay: <BingoBoingo> ;;google manul taking a poop
benkay: <gribble> Nigger Owner's Manual:
benkay: ^^ awesome
BingoBoingo: ;;google manul taking a poop
gribble: Nigger Owner's Manual: <>; Taking that shit to the next level - Imgur: <>; constipation - Cornell University College of Veterinary Medicine: <>
benkay: wtf is this anyways
BingoBoingo: I want to see if such a fuzzy animal gets dingleberries!
moiety: too many manuals and not enough manuls, i say
benkay: god fuck web stack technologies
benkay: this is what i get for waiting to do my deploy scripts
moiety: allow the curious beast some dignity ffs men!
BingoBoingo: benkay: Throw a latteral, and I say your blawg went 404
benkay: yeah. sudo service nginx stop.
benkay: it'll be back sometime.
benkay: probably just a photo of my mug and a gpg key.
benkay: lateral you say? football season?
BingoBoingo: benkay: But all of the things you put effort into mocking!
BingoBoingo: benkay: I can't wait MIZ!!!
benkay: yeah fuck mockery, mircea_popescu beats me hands down any day.
benkay: motherfucker can do latin and shit - what do i have
BingoBoingo: Shame Mizzou dumped DGB over his punching people in the face problem
BingoBoingo: benkay: Clojure?
benkay: no, *nix.
benkay: clojure's great, boot time aside.
benkay: it's like lisp, but for cube-bound retards.
BingoBoingo: !up jonvaage
BingoBoingo: benkay: You're a Mac person right? What was your favorite piece of iron they released?
benkay: what precisely do you mean by iron, BingoBoingo ?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Hardware
benkay: the macbook pro's are good, but i have to run aroud to client shops constantly. if you're stationary, well, why not a real nix?
BingoBoingo: benkay: That's what I wonder. You have dealt with more recent hardware from their ecosystem, any particular generations stand out?
benkay: the most recent models have gorgeous screens and chassis' the rest of the industry can't match
decimation: ;;calc 2900*4096
gribble: 11878400
benkay: unlike the rest of the combudder world apful appears to take the notion of 'kaizen' seriously. this in my humble opinion is the only way to stay profitable as a manufacturing shop.
benkay: i use manufacturing loosely. obviously.
BingoBoingo: ;;ud kaizen
gribble: | Kaizen is an approach to total quality management which can be described as continuously improving by making small improvements, mainly in process,...
benkay: it's also not a strategy suited to any but the market leaders in quality.
decimation: apple doesn't "improve", they just go an buy 5 years supply of a part
BingoBoingo: If apple really does kaizen why no 9" B&W machines with over 9000 dpi monitors?
decimation: the rest of the industry accepts the scraps
decimation: but they are also the only game in town for the completely integrated unix laptop market
BingoBoingo: decimation: Nah, you can still find Tadpoles on Ebay
decimation: lol yeah what's the cpu speed?
benkay: <decimation> apple doesn't "improve", they just go an buy 5 years supply of a part // neglecting the chassis and the irreplaceable battery...
benkay: <BingoBoingo> If apple really does kaizen why no 9" B&W machines with over 9000 dpi monitors? // troll better
decimation: heh that's how they force you to buy more, like the flashlight
benkay: no, that'd be the OS 'upgrades' that slow machines to a crawl over time.
decimation: heh that too
decimation: if you want apple stuff, you have to think of it as a subscription plan
benkay: if you want nice things, you must pay for them.
benkay: the niceness on offer is dubious though.
decimation: as nice as mircea's flashlight...
benkay: must have missed that one.
BingoBoingo: From lulz farm:
assbot: Phinnaeus Gage aka ~Bruno Kucinskas where are you?
assbot: Where is Goat? (The scammer)
assbot: Anonibet is a SCAM! Cheated me in their world cup contest ! Proof Inside.
dub: my god I need a physio or some shit
dub: fist sized knot floating around my lower back
benkay: <BingoBoingo> The eventual loser doesn't always allow the winners victory unscathed // been studying GoL?
BingoBoingo: benkay: Not studying, playing
benkay: good god man you think i don't know?
benkay: have you seen the above happen in GoL?
benkay: <mircea_popescu> some other dood somewhere has this truely ellaborate and complex punishment station, cost him 18`000 dollars // lol sounds a lot like MPEx.
benkay: <mike_c> oh, my strategy? no, just the house has been on the losing side the last couple games. // am curious as to how you're deciding how to lay odds.
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 311093 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1386 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 2 days, 11 hours, 50 minutes, and 8 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18093767874.3 | Estimated Percent Change: 4.36916
BingoBoingo: %d
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 508361.66 in 562 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -35.25
BingoBoingo: !up RedStallion
asciilifeform: mac battery << idk about the more recent machines, but the one on my (circa '09?) unit is replaceable. just need to pop 8 torx screws.
asciilifeform doesn't use that machine often, battery has probably rotted and ripe for replacement
BingoBoingo: Mac has been infatuated with torx for some time it seems
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: do you know why 'torx' exists?
BingoBoingo: Because phillips isn't hip?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: originally, 'phillips' screws caught on because a (motorized, factory) driver would slip automatically when the screw tightened
asciilifeform: when strain gauges and computers became a thing, this was no longer necessary
asciilifeform: so screws were cut to maximize grip
asciilifeform: torx is one such
asciilifeform: nothing to do with 'hip'...
BingoBoingo: Ah, I thought torx was such because someone in Cupertino thought in 1999 it would be a swell idea to push Bingo to buy a $20 screwdriver from radioshack
asciilifeform: pediwikia has good illustration:
assbot: Torx - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: buy a $20 screwdriver from radioshack << you're thinking of the infamous 'pentalobe'
mircea_popescu: benkay what , no more blog ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: No, this was me with an information deficit and RadioShack with an people buying shit deficit
BingoBoingo: !up twizt
decimation: whenever I use a motorized phillips screw driver I find that it strips before it slips
decimation: but that's probably because the screw is cheap
benkay: no more blog.
benkay: mircea_popescu:
BingoBoingo: decimation: Not too cheap though. I've had screws weld. Fucking ChiBama and Chicoms
benkay: it's a distraction! the kid only has so much attention to go around, and the blog is a dilution of said.
decimation: yeah the world is awash in cheap chicom screws
BingoBoingo: It is a plague
mircea_popescu: lol goat's repute preceeds him
BingoBoingo: Chicom nails and rivets... fine. Screws I might need to use several times... fuck that.
mircea_popescu: ppl be aggro!
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benkay: i'm down with destructive fasteners, but not fasteners that self-destruct.
mircea_popescu: "There can't be 1 person that has a stake in this that can be happy with how it is proceeding. Bet Yes or No it doesn't matter. Anyone with a legitimate bet wants a statement from BitBet about what is happening with this bet. I'm not at the point where I assume the admins of BitBet place a lot of their own bets on their site, and a lot of the comments are also from the admins. No one in th
mircea_popescu: eir right mind would ever think the running of this site is tolerable, yet apparently somehow many commenters do."
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance #317 “The Social Network IV”
BingoBoingo: Aggro because they imagined a good resolution source and Draper likes the cox
mircea_popescu: "i am now at a point where i'm so butthurt with the internets i'm going to think the whole of it is just this guy in 8th grade that doesn't like me"
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance #316 “Dress Blue Alpha Male”
mircea_popescu: <benkay> <mike_c> oh, my strategy? no, just the house has been on the losing side the last couple games. // am curious as to how you're deciding how to lay odds. << it's a rand.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: ~85 percent of my cousins took that career path. Was my motivation for going to college
mircea_popescu: benkay makes sense.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Few make it past this phase unscathed
assbot: Terminal Lance - Terminal Lance “Revenge of the Dependapotamus” #1
decimation: usg has been sending rednecks overseas for two generations at least

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