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mircea_popescu: nam-shub_ 50 to 100k usd, in ba. quite overpriced yet, they're sitll hoping.
BayAreaCoins: mike_c Medium rare and yummy as always :P
mircea_popescu: !up GNULinuxGuy
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust GNULinuxGuy
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user GNULinuxGuy: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=GNULinuxGuy | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=GNULinuxGuy | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: ;;rate GNULinuxGuy 1 New blood
gribble: Error: User doesn't exist in the Rating or GPG databases. User must be GPG-registered to receive ratings.
BayAreaCoins: mike_c Which stake are you talking about though, I generally have a number of them poking me :P
mike_c: i meant the bitcoin-assets stake currently being applied.
mike_c: it can be helpful, but it is sharp.
mircea_popescu: "However, I'm lucky enough to not have to have that worry/fear of my government because I don't involve myself with a number of business that one can choose to be involved in around BTC"
mircea_popescu: this is the lulziest shit i read all day,.
asciilifeform: reminds of old saying: 'eat right. exercise. die very surprised.'
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu I mean I ship my guns using FFL's and require permits to transfer snails across state lines :)
BayAreaCoins: mike_c I grew up on Battle.net (Blizzard Entertainment games) and I've always hung around successful people... so I don't mind getting my balls busted. It is good for me
dub: lol
BayAreaCoins: is what it is. I know where not to get clients for the offshore idea :P learned something haha
mircea_popescu: i miss herbi
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins let's take this one meta further.
BayAreaCoins: *prepares balls*
mircea_popescu: the process whereby you come up with "ideas" and then look for applications is fundamentally broken
asciilifeform: ;;seen herbijudlestoids
gribble: herbijudlestoids was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 8 weeks, 6 days, 10 hours, 56 minutes, and 3 seconds ago: <herbijudlestoids> <3
mircea_popescu: not distinguishable from the process where dork figures out how his dream gf should look and then proceeds to try and find her.
mircea_popescu: the world works exactly backwards.
dub: he's invented mybitcoin
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins if you take the time to read this chan, which you should in any case, you'll discover all the respected/successful projects have the same thing in common, as all the mocked/despised "entrepreneurs" in their own characterisation have something else in common.
mircea_popescu: the former all started as in "you guise desperately need and ask for this, here it is"
mircea_popescu: the latter all started as in "here's my bright idea i came up with"
mircea_popescu: the most recent examples of this are of course mthreat's search and ninjashogun's whatever the fuck that was,
mircea_popescu: but plenty more in the same vein.
mircea_popescu: dub: if you actually had a use for this level of protection you could trviially roll your own, would not trust anyone else to do so anyway, and be one of 7 people alive << your summary is approved. when do you quit your dayjob to do ba logs summary full time ?
asciilifeform: 'everyone' has a use for atomic dirigible. except for the folks who can afford it.
dub: i dont have a day job
mircea_popescu: buncha fucking bums in this chan
mircea_popescu: nobody can keep a job.
mircea_popescu: !up stormlight
asciilifeform: dead link?
mircea_popescu: apparently they got a hard fork.
assbot: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | Fork for Masternode Payments!
mircea_popescu: "Is there any other coin that has so many talented individual developers backing up the network?
mircea_popescu: Is there any website even remotely close to chaeplin's detailed network analysis, even for Bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: Is there any community out there, that despite the price crashes and road-bumps, stick together in such a strong manner, getting stronger by the day?"
mircea_popescu: in case you didn't know this... apparently darkcoin is a big deal. o.O
assbot: Darkcoin fails to rise after latest hardfork failure | City A.M.
benkay: hardfork failure?
benkay: a new language for your new coin
benkay: had a great interaction with a human today at a bbq: "what do you think of all of the other coins?" "you mean the forks of the bitcoin reference implementation with various knobs diddled?" "are they--" "yes."
danielpbarron: !up BayAreaCoins
BayAreaCoins: Ah damn, thank you sir.
danielpbarron accepts bitcents 151enbTugrchY8YB8adH3rRjAHez9VFAvd
BayAreaCoins: k <3 :D
mircea_popescu: ;;calc 3600 * 24 / 512 * 25
gribble: 4218.75
mircea_popescu: so let me get this straight, this coin produces about 3/4 of the bitcoins of a day, and they're supposedly worth 1 bitcent each ?
mircea_popescu: the magix.
BayAreaCoins: danielpbarron 0fc3075cbfb1e8cb9f1f8b114086291a79ca543a8dd2485ca11afc3ad0d395aa
mircea_popescu: ok, x11 is fucking dumb, for the record. jesus it's scary what happens when engineers just start doing shit without any supervision.
mike_c: just for the record, sometimes the supervison sucks.
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron is this the first successful charge-for-up case ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c agreed.
mircea_popescu: i am not proposing to excuse the idiocy of the phb.
BayAreaCoins: lol happy to be the first :P... it's what I do ;)
BayAreaCoins: *sarcasm*
mircea_popescu: only took like 3 months or so i reckon
danielpbarron: sweet! thanks, BayAreaCoins
BayAreaCoins: Not a problem man! Thank you
BayAreaCoins: What do you guys what to see next for bitcoin that doesn't exist right now or is it perfect because you've made everything you want that you can imagine for it atm?
decimation: Mr. Coins if you are convinced there is a "middle class" of bitcoin users in the us, why not start an exchange for them?
mircea_popescu: decimation he's new, give him a break.
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins you're new, so nobody really knows what you';d be good at.
mircea_popescu: that's kinda why you're stuck reading the logs for a while.
benkay: or is it perfect because you've made everything you want that you can imagine for it atm? // this sounds like the guy who asks "so do all of your friends use linux, then?" when told one occasionally counsels friends on not being retarded with crypto
mircea_popescu: benkay i bet you 64.58.198.181 answers on all teh windows ports.
benkay: webchat forwards user IP?
mircea_popescu: this is the internet. it does whatever you want it to.
benkay: BayAreaCoins: you're going to have a hard time figuring out what'd benefit the ecosystem when you don't even have big boy pants on.
BayAreaCoins: No breaks please. Bust my balls with full force. It is all good. mircea_popescu. Decimation I think there are a number of places that middle class americans already exchange BTC. I'm also not 100% convinced that is why I'm interested in what you guys have to say.
benkay: mircea_popescu: of course it *can*. *does*, though.
BayAreaCoins: benkay excuse me for getting stoned. Gotta give me a min.. I go to bed and wake up everyday with my big boy spider man underware
assbot: Bernie Mac I Ain't Scared of You Mofos - YouTube
mircea_popescu: BayAreaCoins start with something easy, like getting in the wot.
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu ya I'll get on that this week. I have a Thompson 1927-A1 coming in next week I can probably get listed and sold ASAP.
mircea_popescu: that's not the important part there.
BayAreaCoins: mircea_popescu Ok, I'll read into it and get it taken care of.
assbot: Americans Have Relatively Poor Net Wealth - NASDAQ.com
decimation: only 28% of us adults have over $100k
mircea_popescu: decimation that thing uses bad real estate data.
benkay: underwarez
mircea_popescu: !up Graet
BayAreaCoins: ;) :D lol
cazalla: :In Australia, over 65% of all adults have a net worth exceeding $100,000"
cazalla: we also have inflated property prices out the ass
mircea_popescu: cazalla exactly.
decimation: well, in May 2014 the median existing home price was $213,400 in the us http://research.stlouisfed.org/fred2/series/HOSMEDUSM052N
assbot: Median Sales Price of Existing Homes - FRED - St. Louis Fed
mircea_popescu: this thing claims aussies are 50% richer than austrians
kyuupichan: Just finished paying for my whole Maldives trip with BTC. Sorry to keep the downward price pressure on.
mircea_popescu: this is ludicrous.
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan enjoy.
decimation: anyone who has ever been near the DACH zone knows that germans are rich as fuck
mircea_popescu: decimation roughly in the sense darkcoin is worth 4 dollars per.
mircea_popescu: "provided noone sells"
decimation: right, so the median adult can barely afford half a median house
decimation: the median us adult is therefore a debt slave
mircea_popescu: if you adjust those numbers for real-real estate prices, you get about 90% ish of us peeps under 1k (which is also your error, or at least mine)
mircea_popescu: also ludicrous : india 4k, china 20k ? heh. the chinese aren't 5x ahead of the indians just because the chinese govt inflated a real estate bubble which delhi doesn't quite match
decimation: so, you are saying that the nasdaq data is inflated because of "paper house value"
mircea_popescu: ok, look at sweeden : by that judgement, 231k mean 40k median, it is the MOST inequal country in all of europe.
mircea_popescu: thing's fucking borked.
decimation: doesn't sweden have a government minimum income
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1AH3gdneXaV1qEEB1XJQjS7qbzktf1APx7
mircea_popescu: there will be an infinity of these
decimation: http://www.nerdwallet.com/blog/credit-card-data/average-credit-card-debt-household/ << apparently nearly 50% of us households carry a credit card balance monthly
assbot: American Household Credit Card Debt Statistics: 2014
decimation: so they cleary have less than $0 net worth
mircea_popescu: How to create a masternode? - Get a machine with a static ip
mircea_popescu: this is the anon coin.
mircea_popescu: it relies on... machines with static ips.
mircea_popescu: decimation right.
decimation: I suspect the "wealthy" half has most of their assets locked away in retirement plans, and most of those plans don't allow you to "invest" as you choose
benkay: decimation: truth.
mircea_popescu: decimation 50% are in cc hell. of the remainder, 30% are in middle class hell (they have some money, locked away in iras, college funds, ss payments etc - all of which is as good as gone but nobody's telling them).
decimation: lol https://blog.personalcapital.com/financial-planning-2/average-401k-balance-age/ "Supposedly two-thirds of working households age 55-64 with at least one earner have retirement savings less than one times their annual income. Given the median household income is roughly $52,000, that?s not a good sign."
assbot: The Average 401k Balance By Age
mircea_popescu: of the remainder 20%, about 10% are homeless, in prison or in mental institutions
mircea_popescu: that leaves 10%, of which about half are expats.
decimation: or easily could be ex-pats, if the mood struck
mircea_popescu: the mood strikes.
benkay: <- pending exile
mircea_popescu: jesus this darkcoin thing is more stupid than i had originally thought.
benkay: !s from: benkay darkcoin
benkay: yeah i now recall thinking to myself "myup. stop wasting time, kid."
decimation: when you boil that down, the american "middle class" is really at most maybe 10% of the population, so maybe ~20 million adults
mircea_popescu: i was like "why do i never receive altcoin summaries&updates ???" "because they are all exceedingly stupid" "no wai." "eta 2 hours"
mircea_popescu: 2 hours later i am... where's that cat gif
decimation: re: german spies << either the germans are really good or the CIA sucks at spying, apparently
mircea_popescu: the russians halped.
mircea_popescu: germany is maybe in the top 10. russia is of course in the top 5, way up there with romania and israel.
mircea_popescu: the us is not in any top.
mircea_popescu: !up basquiat_
basquiat_: anyone use havelock?
decimation: what does the fact that the US auctioned off the DPR horde of btc rather than put it in the fed reveal about usg?
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mircea_popescu: decimation how do you know it didn't ?
mircea_popescu: !s havelock
mircea_popescu: basquiat_ ^
mircea_popescu: aw shit bad link. one sec
decimation: are you saying the auction never took place?
mircea_popescu: !s havelock -from:assbot
assbot: 916 results for 'havelock -from:assbot' : http://search.bitcoin-assets.com/?q=havelock+-from%3Aassbot
mircea_popescu: decimation nah.
decimation: I guess they have only claimed to have sold 30k of the 144k
benkay: well i've worked through these provisioners from top to bottom, and now it's time to test them all against some freshness
benkay: vagrant destroy && vagrant up
benkay: ./provision 127.0.0.1 2222
benkay: "okay girls, let's go!"
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
decimation: eh, that supposes that the usg is secretly competent, which you just implied was not the case above
mircea_popescu: i really don't see a conflict.
mircea_popescu: how's it work ?
decimation: some part of the usg has to be able to operate in secrecy effectively to perform this laudering plan right?
mircea_popescu: you mean the plan i just discussed in a public chan ?
mircea_popescu: yeah, i see that.
[]bot: Bet created: "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 6 @ 0.19971884 = 1.1983 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.19999326 = 0.6 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 7 @ 0.2 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 225 @ 0.002615 = 0.5884 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.00268999 = 0.538 BTC [-]
punkman: !up BayAreaCoins
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell mike_c hey, https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/17/ << after 1 year, everyone's on -
assbot: Game 17 - Death 5000 Life 5000 Year 2 - War of Life
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 63 @ 0.00911084 = 0.574 BTC [-] {2}
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "Bitcoin difficulty >= 72B on or before Christmas" http://bitbet.us/bet/990/ Odds: 42(Y):58(N) by coin, 42(Y):58(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.24105324 BTC. Current weight: 93,892.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 500 @ 0.03079906 = 15.3995 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 500 @ 0.012 = 6 BTC [-] {3}
dub: who won game 16?
mircea_popescu: well there's no "win" per se.
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
mircea_popescu: some people made a profit, some made a loss
mircea_popescu: death mostly made a loss.
dub: fwiw having a link ot the previous game might be nice
dub: death beat life though right?
mircea_popescu: the link is there
dub: i cant see it
mircea_popescu: Death 5094 Life 4906
mircea_popescu: so yeah, by like 2%
mircea_popescu: https://btc.waroflife.com/ << see where it says "game 16 - finished" ?
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
dub: try putting it on the gow page where one would go looking for it
mircea_popescu: on the where ?
mircea_popescu: it's like a large centrral panel with the current game and two smaller to the left, prev and next game
dub: yeah I see it on the front page but nobody would land there surely?
dub: anyway, to sound like a sore loser, its a stupid game
mircea_popescu: lol you lost ?!
dub: yes
mircea_popescu: how the hell can you lose
dub: by backing the winning team. clearly
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.03079906 = 0.8932 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: this sounds just like a buttcoin game.
mircea_popescu: now i know it's gonna be successful.
mircea_popescu: it all hinged on having something like bitbet's "omgwtfbbq i bet on winning side and lost!"
mircea_popescu: lol so i peeled .33 off this satoshi dice clone thing
punkman: dub, it's not about backing the winning team, you just have to buy cheaper than all the other mooks
mircea_popescu: this is the ultimate "bitcoin investor" cocaine tbh
mircea_popescu: mike is wise.
dub: i realise that
punkman: ;;later tell mike_c would be nice if WoL could track bets on GoWs, since I already have an account for the minigame
gribble: The operation succeeded.
dub: more like ketamine, chances are it will put you to sleep and only people with personality issues go back for more
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 562 @ 0.0026855 = 1.5093 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 30 @ 0.0176 = 0.528 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 80 @ 0.01832875 = 1.4663 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 54 @ 0.01879254 = 1.0148 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 48 @ 0.01264998 = 0.6072 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 50 @ 0.03079906 = 1.54 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 50 @ 0.013 = 0.65 BTC [+]
punkman: %mined
atcbot: [ATC Mined] Current: 20193280 Total ATC (to be mined): 268435456 % Mined of Total: 7.52
punkman: %diff
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 547975.01 in 879 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -30.21
cazalla: crying baby, fuck kill me now
kyuupichan: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 310551 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1928 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 19 hours, 52 minutes, and 38 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 19843861618.9 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.46411
kyuupichan: Gribble very bullish difficulty
kyuupichan: 3 wks ago in Seattle talking to a dude doing mining there; was downvolting all his machines because of summer heat generation
kyuupichan: Had ~ 50TH
kyuupichan: He'd budgeted +10% difficulty each period for rest of 2014; seems about right to me
kyuupichan: Sell my BTC for holiday; BTC jumps 1.5%
kyuupichan: Small fraction of BTC, that is
kyuupichan: I sense increasing govt apprehension abt BTC
cazalla: holiday to where?
kyuupichan: cazalla: Maldives; mentioned it a while ago. Not exactly cheap, as I discovered.
kyuupichan: Well, it's my 14-years late honeymoon.
cazalla: i wanna piss off to angeles
cazalla: not sure wife would be here when i get back though :P
kyuupichan: I reckon I must be high on the Expedia list of bitcoin dudes using their service more than expected
kyuupichan: Though initial booking + cancellation was quite a nightmare
cazalla: meh i'd still use credit card if i was doing that
kyuupichan: cazalla: Sure. Preference depends on circumstances. I'm overweight BTC; happy to drop a few now and then.
cazalla: just seems a hassle, as you described
cazalla: so what made cancellation a nightmare? they take btc but don't want to pay it back? fiat only refund?
kyuupichan: Well they'd only just started taking BTC. Most of their sales reps had (still have) no clue. When asking about the refund, they said it'll be on credit card despite my having said half a dozen times I'd not used CC and paid with bitcoin. Clearly clueless.
cazalla: predictable though
kyuupichan: Coordinating them and their payment processor (coinbase) was a PITA, particularly as I don't live in US so it was international phone calls. I'm not a fan of coinbase but to be honest they seemed to fix it, and they were the most helpful.
kyuupichan: All I wanted to do was change a date. booking.com is far superior to expedia.com for that; you, uh, just change the date.
kyuupichan: Expedia insist on cancel + rebook.
cazalla: going through all the permutations though, sounds like this was obvious and prob better to use cc
kyuupichan: Sure, but I'm underweight fiat; would rather not spend it as not much left :)
BigBitz: tried Destinia.com kyuupichan?
kyuupichan: BigBitz: No never heard of it. I used btctrip.com for flights for 2nd time without issue (bad experience with cheapair, though that seems unusual) and expedia for hotels.
kyuupichan: Seems they don't have my hotel :(
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.5502 BTC for No on "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/ Odds: 11(Y):89(N) by coin, 11(Y):89(N) by weight. Total bet: 2.06307729 BTC. Current weight: 97,814.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [RENT] 1500 @ 0.0046455 = 6.9683 BTC [+] {18}
artifexd: "ability to perform on each core to 25 operations in a single clock cycle, which provides high performance at moderate clock frequency" <- wow
jurov: dunno if this isn't itanium-like pipe dream
jurov: will be interesting to see if they can pull both this *and* decent x86 emulation
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 210 @ 0.00266355 = 0.5593 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 390 @ 0.00265205 = 1.0343 BTC [-] {4}
artifexd: !up hanbot
artifexd: !up hanbot
hanbot: a ty
hanbot: that was strange
artifexd: gribble lost me so I had to reauth
hanbot: ah
artifexd: What are you up to now days?
hanbot: ;;later tell mike_c hey "There is an infinitesimal chance none of the numbers will be < 1,000,000. In this case the last group (bits 12 - 31) are used to find the location as follows:" would it not be better to just re-hash the hash and try again? and if it fails again, hash it again. infinitesimal is infinitesimal, but why even bother.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
hanbot: artifexd, actually, i've been trying to write.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] [PAID] 19.59579552 BTC to 1`149`988 shares, 1704 satoshi per share
hanbot: how about yourself?
artifexd: Makin' stuff. Then makin' it faster.
artifexd: World Cup has us pretty busy.
hanbot: bikes? cars?
artifexd: software
hanbot: oh yeah.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69116640 BTC to 11`660 shares, 14504 satoshi per share
hanbot: so what do you do with the wc?
artifexd: If you listen to the world cup on the internet, odds are that it is flowing through my software.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 51 @ 0.02987824 = 1.5238 BTC [-]
artifexd: One of my projects is a custom streaming audio server. High performance, customized streams for each client, transcodes one input to multiple output formats, blah, blah, blah.
asciilifeform: artifexd: perform on each core to 25 operations in a single clock cycle << you can make a 'pipeline' as long as you like. it ends up mostly full of NOPs.
artifexd: It isn't interesting to talk about, but advertisers love it and it is a lot of fun (and frustration) to work on.
asciilifeform: if they can pull both this *and* decent x86 emulation << russian, chinese, martian CPUs will be interesting when - and not before - they swear off x86 emulation.
artifexd: If that is a pipeline, wouldn't that be too long to be performant? I mean, one missed branch prediction and you have to flush the whole thing.
asciilifeform: artifexd: exactly.
artifexd: Are you speculating that it is a pipeline measurement or are you certain?
asciilifeform: artifexd: well, the classic 'elbrus' was pipelined.
asciilifeform: so it's a reasonable presumption. no, i don't have the manual for the new one.
artifexd: Aren't all processors pipelined now?
artifexd: To some degree, at least.
asciilifeform: all but the cheapest embedded cpu
mircea_popescu: goood mornin' boys an' gals.
artifexd: !up hanbot
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust assbot hanbot
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user assbot to user hanbot: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 11 via 11 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=hanbot | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=hanbot | Rated since: Wed Dec 11 14:42:14 2013
artifexd: she asked
mircea_popescu: ahh look at the short logs.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell punkman: mike_c would be nice if WoL could track bets on GoWs, since I already have an account for the minigame << actually, it'd be prolly good to have a YOU: summary on either side of GoW as long as the person is actually logged in. in case they bought multiple bids etc.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: dub hm, what do you hate about it ? that there's not really any "you lose 100%" ?
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan: 3 wks ago in Seattle talking to a dude doing mining there; was downvolting all his machines because of summer heat generation << but you know seattle/the us is not really the center of mining.
mircea_popescu: cazalla: not sure wife would be here when i get back though :P << lol what, she got a nice big black fellow all lined up ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.02987824 = 2.9878 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: "The Itanium approach...was supposed to be so terrific—until it turned out that the wished-for compilers were basically impossible to write."
mircea_popescu: ah, if only they had heard of urbit.
mircea_popescu: they could have just made jets.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the famous 'itanic' used an approach called 'vliw' - 'very long instruction word' - where the compiler was expected to fill up the pipeline manually, avoiding 'hazards' (instructions fighting over a resource, e.g. register or memory)
mircea_popescu: logically, the compiler is in the best position to do this, because it can directly poll the bus.
mircea_popescu: (how do you like my new 64 Gb Snark ?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: it can - and was - be made to work, just that it was never clear to anyone wtf the point is.
asciilifeform: sorta like howard hughes and his 'spruce goose'
mircea_popescu: well, it was different... not to mention "new and exciting"
mircea_popescu: the 90s way to say "revolutionary and innovative"
asciilifeform failed to get excited
mircea_popescu: well honestly, the wood airplane may well ahve becvome a big deal.
asciilifeform suspects that itanic was a 'lock-in play' - intel hoped that no one else could write a decent compiler for the chip. but what ended up happening was - for ages, gcc was the only working itanic toolchain...
mircea_popescu: i think you're right
mircea_popescu: they woefully misjudged their market position, too.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 100 @ 0.0121 = 1.21 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.02987824 = 2.9878 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: what intel overestimated was the ability of microshit to shoehorn their turd into exotic cpu. turned out to be nil. (nt on alpha - never entirely worked. etc)
mircea_popescu: that too. but even should ms have had it ready on t+1minute, and if it worked splendidly (lolk, but bear with me)
mircea_popescu: the net result would have been foss+amd buldgeoning them into a fine paste.
mircea_popescu: so it's one of those things old geezers tell you about, as their life turning point, over a game of checkers in central park. no, it wasn't : even if the thing they woe about would have worked their way
mircea_popescu: there were upstream considerations preventing it from working anyway
mircea_popescu: classical example, "if only the nightcop hadn't turned around just then".
mircea_popescu: ya, right.
mircea_popescu: !up basquiat_
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 74 @ 0.0116404 = 0.8614 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: nam-shub +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up nam-shub
mircea_popescu: trust vectored fighters are fucking cool.
benkay: does anyone have a copy of john brooks Business Adventures?
benkay: someone's digitized it and trying to make a dime off the old man's corpse: www.newyorker.com/online/blogs/currency/2014/07/bill-gates-favorite-business-book.html
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the real marvel is that itanics are still being produced.
asciilifeform: (or at least they were, last year...)
mircea_popescu: didn't they name one after a senator or something ?
assbot: Intel Itanium Processors Update
asciilifeform: afaik, a city
mircea_popescu: what am i confusing it with
asciilifeform: every single building at u.s. national institute of health?
asciilifeform: (named after senator who disbursed some payola)
mircea_popescu: ;;google poulson itanium
gribble: Itanium - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Itanium>; Intel finally releases 9500-series Itanium, announces plans to merge ...: <http://www.extremetech.com/computing/140082-intel-finally-releases-9500-series-itanium-announces-plans-to-merge-itanium-and-xeon>; Intel's Eight-Core, Heavily-Updated Poulson Itanium Breaks Cover ...: (1 more message)
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 310581 | Current Difficulty: 1.733631697850783E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 312479 | Next Difficulty In: 1898 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 5 days, 15 hours, 40 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 18900118669.5 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.02038
punkman: was just looking at this, f.mpif pc4 stands to make almost 10% (if favored side wins on pending bets): http://i.imgur.com/g5MPhbF.png
mircea_popescu: wow srsly ?
punkman: !up hanbot
assbot: F.MPIF Live Tracker - Btc Alpha
mircea_popescu: so far it's red all around tho
hanbot: punkman looks pretty good imo, but yep, ruddy atm.
hanbot: i'm rooting for a red card tonight
mircea_popescu: there's gotta be a red card
mircea_popescu: if not they're not even trying.
thestringpuller: i need to stop binge watching netflix
mircea_popescu: this has got to be the most idiotic publisher strat i ever encountered. so about a month ago, i shot an email to a medium sized network, for an ad spot. i got a reply from an acct manager, which was a little late and very half assed. i just dropped the thing. he sent me a couple "follow-up" emails later that week, which resulted in them being blacklisted.
mircea_popescu: during the intervening month, they sent no less than 15 emails to my spam filter.
mircea_popescu: holy shit man, why not just be on the ball and cut the deal when you have the chance ? why half ass that and then spend a month trying ? what sort of idiot came up with this strat i wish to know.
hanbot: mircea_popescu sounds like a shrimp farmer
mircea_popescu: lol wut?
hanbot: the publisher. casts a wide net, no anticipation of catching actual fish, just interested in a big mass of little bits.
mircea_popescu: jesus that must suck.
mircea_popescu: "why find a few good friends in this world, just pretend everything in it is an earthworm
hanbot: i'm sure it stinks, anyway.
hanbot: yeah. in the name of clutching at what they think they want, most people will put on some pretty ridiculous costumes.
mircea_popescu: BRINGERS OF DARKNESS are revitalizing audiences with their raw energy live show and undeniable chemistry of brotherhood. They transcend a world that is locked in genre and commercialism; though they know they can't do it alone, they are the seeds of a revolution. The band has pitched their newest CD to Sony executives[, played in front of the likes of Henry Rallins, and the lead singer has sang onstage with Freddie Mir
mircea_popescu: cury - we have the goods and we WILL deliver.
mircea_popescu: Members: Tim "Kinnie" kingsworth - guitarist born to rock, tim has written many of bringers of darkness's best songs including "my love for you is swimming through the rapids like a broken arow" (Tim only plays Bingleworth guitars. Onstage, he plays a Bingleworth J-9000 7-string with a neo-chromium humbuckers. For recording, he uses a K-9001 with two single-coli pickups. He exclusively uses Krankle amplifiers and Czech
mircea_popescu: -Tec guitar tubes)
mircea_popescu: this should be an ipo.
punkman: mircea_popescu: turns out I fucked up some math there, expected gain on pending bets is around 40%
mircea_popescu: wait what ?
mircea_popescu: can you do some more math erroring, get it to 160% ?
mircea_popescu: that "pending gain" is a best case sort of number no ?
punkman: if favored side wins, yeah
punkman: if I pick the favored side by total btc in the pot, then pending gain goes to -1.43 BTC
punkman: (todo: make stats exportable)
mircea_popescu: so basically it could either lose or win, maybe a lot, probably a little.
mircea_popescu: hanbot good point re the bombs yeah
mircea_popescu: !up indiancandy1
mircea_popescu: o hey the crowds are getting rowdy
assbot: Drought Shaming Pitting Neighbors Against Neighbors On Social Media « CBS Sacramento
punkman: mircea_popescu: yea we'll see how that goes, though hanbot's allocation of BTC is slightly better than global bitbet allocation so far.
mircea_popescu: drought shaming lol
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform ^
mircea_popescu: a slighly scarce resource, and there are the informants,
mircea_popescu: there are the brown brigades,
asciilifeform: more interesting (linked from above) - http://now100fm.cbslocal.com/2014/07/09/weird-news-wednesday-waitresses-wear-guns-in-restaurant << notice the stock pic - who the hell has a soviet 'TT' ?!
assbot: Weird News Wednesday: Waitresses Wear Guns In Restaurant « NOW 100.5 FM
mircea_popescu: there's the whole story. "could not happen here"
asciilifeform: (bottom right hand corner of pic)
mircea_popescu: no, that's a cult gun
indiancandy1: i wonder what assange thinks of btc
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 he loves it.
asciilifeform: http://demotivators.to/media/posters/1990/622228_luchshe-starenkij-tt-chem-dzyudo-i-karate.jpg << 'Лучше старенький ТТ чем дзюдо и карате' ~= 'better have an old TT, than judo and karate'
mircea_popescu: i dunno, they're god-awful
asciilifeform: better than the 1890s seven-shooter that preceded it, by most accounts
indiancandy1: some seriose protests going on in london
indiancandy1: really bizzar
indiancandy1: free palestine mallarky
mircea_popescu: !up stormlight
indiancandy1: go argentina
indiancandy1: mircea u having a wc party round urs
punkman: wonder if this is all the BTC wikileaks has now: https://blockchain.info/address/1HB5XMLmzFVj8ALj6mfBsbifRoD4miY36v
assbot: Bitcoin Address 1HB5XMLmzFVj8ALj6mfBsbifRoD4miY36v
asciilifeform: punkman: just one mystery remains - why do they need coin.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 the whole street's a party
punkman: asciilifeform: seems like most of that was spent in December 2013
asciilifeform: punkman: but on what
mircea_popescu: new year's party ?
indiancandy1: im so jelous
indiancandy1: why didnt u buy me a ticket
indiancandy1: to come over
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: afaik mircea_popescu expects guests to buy own ticket
indiancandy1: his the billionair
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 because you didn't do whatever video.
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: (when friends visit you, do you pay their fare?)
indiancandy1: what is 700 usd to him
indiancandy1: im poor
indiancandy1: i have 2 flash my gash 4 cash
mircea_popescu: camho rap, who knew this was a thing
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 wait, are you a poor indian ?!
mthreat: define poor
mircea_popescu: mthreat "i have 2 flash my gash 4 cash" ?
indiancandy1: great definition
indiancandy1: im a poor half indian/greek
mircea_popescu: now b-a really has everything.
indiancandy1: b a british airways?
mircea_popescu: nah this chan. bitcoin-assets
mircea_popescu: or, alternatively, buenos aires. which is why i moved here, to troll b-a
mircea_popescu: ambiguitytroling
indiancandy1: maybe coz the electricy is cheap there
indiancandy1: and the chicks got fat ass
mircea_popescu: the ass is nice, that's true.
kyuupichan: mircea_popescu: In east Washington state they have insanely cheap electricity; there is a lot of mining going on there
mircea_popescu: kyuupichan no argument. but still.
indiancandy1: ass ass ass ass
indiancandy1: boobs?
assbot: Game 17 - Death 5082 Life 4918 Year 68 - War of Life
mircea_popescu: did i just win like .87 btc ?
indiancandy1: its my birthday
indiancandy1: gift me
indiancandy1: has anyone got
indiancandy1: snapchat
indiancandy1: have you got a smart phone mircea
indiancandy1: or you got a stone age
asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: why not
mircea_popescu: i don't like them
indiancandy1: so how do u call ur mom
indiancandy1: n family back home
mircea_popescu: people use them to what, pretend like they're outside while pretending like they're on the computer ?
mircea_popescu: i'd rather do both of these well than mix them together into an unworkable porridge of shit.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 i have a normal phone
mircea_popescu: AND a secretary.
mircea_popescu: well, more than one actually as it turns out
indiancandy1: does she give you bjs under the table
indiancandy1: or he*
mircea_popescu: that's a different skillset.
indiancandy1: i just thought u know bill clinton did it so
mircea_popescu: that was an aide.
mircea_popescu: no skillset.
asciilifeform: aide << 'secretute'
indiancandy1: secretute lmao
asciilifeform: секретутка.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly enough, tuta pl tute is how you say stupid woman in romanian
indiancandy1: ascii are you romani aswell
mircea_popescu: well... one of the many ways
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: nope
mircea_popescu: yes he is, he just doesn't want to admit to the romanian yoke :D
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: you ought to know they ditched cyrillic there in... 1870s?
indiancandy1: can i ask something does the crystall ball thing actually work
gribble: No.
indiancandy1: atleast the goverment gave the gypsies all there gold back aye
asciilifeform saw the world's officially largest crystal ball a few days ago
assbot: Crystal ball - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
indiancandy1: os your in dc
indiancandy1: i kind of look like a romani gypsy
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: 10km or so
indiancandy1: mp do u think i do
assbot: I just found this crazy game of life battle with Bitcoin : Bitcoin
gribble: The operation succeeded.
indiancandy1: people sometimes think i am
indiancandy1: is romania in the mediternian sorry my geography is terible
asciilifeform: indiancandy1: maps.google.com
indiancandy1: or macedonia
indiancandy1: help !! my webcam is pixelated
indiancandy1: on mfc do i fix this
punkman: you need to get a flux capacitor
indiancandy1: any idea where i get this
indiancandy1: ;;flux capacitor
gribble: Error: "flux" is not a valid command.
indiancandy1: ;;fluxcapacitor
gribble: Error: "fluxcapacitor" is not a valid command.
asciilifeform: unrelated: anybody here own a 'Yeeloong' ?
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 black sea ctually, but quite close anyway
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform is that the all-free-except-bios thing ?
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: afaik it's the all-free-everything one
mircea_popescu: i thought the bios was still proprietary, lulziuly undermining the whole thing
assbot: PMON 2000 - LinuxMIPS
asciilifeform: that box doesn't even need much in the way of a bios. just a little bootloader stub.
mircea_popescu: wow score ?
indiancandy1: mircea when u goin home
indiancandy1: il meet u
indiancandy1: cheap flights i can afford romai
asciilifeform: the 'loongson' machine are virtually unobtainable in usa.
mircea_popescu: indiancandy1 might be a decade.
indiancandy1: where is ur mom
asciilifeform: 'pmon' includes built-in gdb stub, apparently. neato.
indiancandy1: dont you go visit them
indiancandy1: how can you not see your mom for 10years
asciilifeform might have to break down & pay an importer
indiancandy1: btw did argentina win the wc then
mircea_popescu: they're playing it now
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform interesting.
asciilifeform wonders where stallman got his
indiancandy1: did you get exhiled from romania
mircea_popescu: i was gone for about a decade before.
kakobrekla: asciilifeform perhaps online loongson
assbot: Show model Lemote Yeeloong 8101B 10" mini-laptop Pure White-- High-end GNU Linux mini laptop - Tekmote Electronics
kakobrekla: 300eur
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 175 @ 0.0168 = 2.94 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that's the original. there's a nicer one, that has metallic chassis
kakobrekla: should have dropped by NL while in RO
indiancandy1: did you not see your mom since you was 25 :(
mircea_popescu: i only left romania recently.
assbot: Loongson 3A Notebook - Tekmote Electronics
asciilifeform: aha there it is.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: have one ?
kakobrekla: hm, looks like fagbook
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: ever see a metallic chassis laptop that didn't ?
kakobrekla: dunno
asciilifeform: laptop market, afaik, still reduced to a choice between 'fagbook' and 'turdbook'
kakobrekla: as long as i can hammer nails with it.
asciilifeform: kakobrekla: that's the u.s. mil spec machine. it's mostly plastic.
kakobrekla: really?
asciilifeform: and ludicrously heavy
asciilifeform: you can get them by the crate, surplus. nobody wants.
asciilifeform: at any rate, 'loongson' isn't interesting because of the mechanicals.
kakobrekla: i see some bolts
kakobrekla: from the topside
kakobrekla: should be alu no?
asciilifeform: can't say i ever used one of these
asciilifeform: !up indiancandy1
indiancandy1: thanks ascii
kakobrekla: anyway, you CAN indeed make it alu and not look like fagbook
kakobrekla: may look like toaster instead
kakobrekla: but point achieved.
asciilifeform wants a 'sovbook'
indiancandy1: so i showed my producer a video of me dancing at work yesterday and she said that there is spirits in the vide
indiancandy1: freaked me right out
fluffypony: come on, Germany!
mircea_popescu: 60% possession.
fluffypony: well there we go
fluffypony: some movement
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: you back in Argentina? what's the buzz on the street like?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony yeah. pretty loud.
fluffypony: I can imagine
mircea_popescu: you can distinctly hear the game out the window, to the degree of fouls, saves, etc.
mircea_popescu: whole street is packed. (well the fact that i live within a block of the equivalent of say the washington monument doesn't help)
fluffypony: crazy
mircea_popescu: they shot some pretty respectable cherry bombs in the few hours runup
mircea_popescu: (during which the street was packed with people waiting for the game to start)
indiancandy1: sounds wonderful
indiancandy1: u should join the festivities
mircea_popescu: i'd rather listen to blur in concert.
indiancandy1: heroin addicts
indiancandy1: lavely
indiancandy1: but so yea can you see this video
indiancandy1: and watch at 36 seconds a light shoots across the room
indiancandy1: my producer is telling me its a spirit orb
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 202 @ 0.0132 = 2.6664 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: YouTube
mircea_popescu: score eh ?
mircea_popescu: these people blew their fucking top off because a german got a yellow card ?
mircea_popescu: im fucking scared now.
fluffypony: tense moment
indiancandy1: did u see the orb
fluffypony: indiancandy1: watching the soccer, so no
mircea_popescu: fluffypony so fiverr has this glitch, whereby sometimes it gets paid for an order (via coinbase) but then... just ignores it. you ever had something like that happen ?
mircea_popescu: this is like the 3rd time.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: no not yet - I pay it and its reflected immediately every time I use it
fluffypony: same with Bitpay on Namecheap
fluffypony: I wonder if it's not trying to update via some ajax call and you've disabled js so it doesn't update?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 42 @ 0.02890175 = 1.2139 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: possible i guess
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 67 @ 0.01607462 = 1.077 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.02890175 = 0.8671 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: kinda what i wanted to check, where to start the debug
fluffypony: if you refresh the page does it show up as paid?
mircea_popescu: (actually, more like i won't bother, it's not worth the occasional 5 bux to me.
mircea_popescu: if however it was a systemic problem, then yes)
mircea_popescu: ;;ud waq
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=WAQ | acronym for What A Queer. usually used in texts or photo comments. David sure does like to kneel in weird positions... WAQ!!! by squash89 April 25, 2011. 19 6.
fluffypony: hah hah
fluffypony: it's the fluffypony method of spelling wack
fluffypony: ;;ud wack
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=wack | Example 1: Tracy: I'm all that and a bag of chips!..and then some! Rob: Shut yo wack ass up!.. and gets off my Grill. Example 2: Tracy: What did u do last night?
mircea_popescu: fluffypony apparently the problem only appears when using multipayment tx.
mircea_popescu: you ever did that ? owe for say a dozen jobs, pay out in 1 tx ?
fluffypony: no I haven't - only ever done 1 at a time
mircea_popescu: well, if anyone cares, it is the case coinbase may have a hole in how it handles multipayment txn then.
fluffypony: omfg so close
mircea_popescu: specifically, n-1 pages update and ty for the payment. but the nth... nope
fluffypony: the Germans are all over the Argentinian goal
mircea_popescu: yeah doesn't look so good for em
cazalla: mircea_popescu: there's no black people in australia, also little crime
mircea_popescu: "Jeff Garzik @jgarzik · 5h Free business idea: Water heaters that mine #bitcoin. Decentralize mining and usefully shed excess heat, rather than waste it."
mircea_popescu: lol someone's reading b-a logs from last year ?
mircea_popescu: cazalla a ok then :p
kakobrekla: wait until they figure out you can do it on fpga.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony this thing's going to penalty.
kakobrekla: anyway it doesnt work. they dont roi even if you run them 24/7 and heaters you dont.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: yeah I think so too
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla it'll work when the tech is stable.
kakobrekla: stable over 10 years ?
kakobrekla: right.
mircea_popescu: it'll happen, in spite of all the derpage re qc.
kakobrekla: in year 25 000 000
gribble: Time since last block: 2 minutes and 54 seconds
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla coupla decades.
fluffypony: wow bets365 add on Sky Sport gives you live betting odds (well 30 seconds old)
kakobrekla: the biggest problem with that idea is that we prolly wont be computing on silicone then
kakobrekla: you can hardly heat up anything with wetware for example
mircea_popescu: i think we will, yes. silicone will get pushed to the end by say 2040, where you CAN get faster processors but it's not economically worth it.
mircea_popescu: and then, 20-50-100 years spent trying to make wetware work.
mircea_popescu: there won't be any qc computing. ever.
mircea_popescu: and so in 2050ish, it'll make prefect sense to put in a water heater cum btc miner.
mircea_popescu: principaly because that'll be strictly the only type of water heater available
punkman: qc would make for a good longbet
mircea_popescu: punkman my qc longbet is btc itself.
cazalla: mircea_popescu: i couldn't think of a witty retort at 6am so the autistic one will have to do :P
kakobrekla: ok so there might be a small window of stability which would allow for that idea to work, i give you that.
mircea_popescu: all heating is temporary anyway.
kakobrekla: id still bet this wont happen on a mass scale.
kakobrekla: window too small.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla what do you think you'll heat yourself with in 2050 ? dead jews ?
mircea_popescu: very small rocks ?
mircea_popescu: memories of the great patriotic war ?
kakobrekla: prolly depends on the btc price.
mircea_popescu: humanity has no future outside of electricity anyway.
kakobrekla: ideally id have something like personal Toshiba 4S
mircea_popescu: small nuclear reactors aren't really worth it.
mircea_popescu: just build 100ish gw and be done with it
kakobrekla: but then the neighbors notice.
mircea_popescu: what neighbours
fluffypony: another yellow card, wtf
mircea_popescu: yellow card all the people!
mircea_popescu: did germany score ?
mircea_popescu: hm. no. street ppl just got pissed off.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 40 @ 0.01385 = 0.554 BTC [+]
assbot: Putin, Kirchner seek 'multipolarity' in Argentina visit - Yahoo News
fluffypony: FINALLY!
fluffypony: holy fuck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.18529443 = 0.9265 BTC [-]
cazalla: and that's that
mircea_popescu: germans you know ?
mircea_popescu: tired them the fuck out, so they could get that shot at the end
cazalla: riots begun?
mircea_popescu: they actually seem kinda peacible
mircea_popescu: i think they didn't really think they'll make it to the finals anyway
kakobrekla: nazis extradited yet?
mircea_popescu: !up Belsage
punkman: consolation prize: "at least we weren't humiliated like those Brazilians"
mircea_popescu: apparently messi gets golden ball ?
mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 week, 1 day, 3 hours, 7 minutes, and 5 seconds ago: <moiety> kk really away for reals this time, i'll check that when im out
cazalla: what a shitlord
mircea_popescu: odds of it being meta... 9:2 ?
cazalla: 50% of 4chan is JIDF and the other half are people trolling each other
mthreat: the german player's name was götse. i can't beleive we are't seeing goatse memes
mircea_popescu: !up qazwsxedcrfv
mircea_popescu: ;;ud jdif
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=JIDF | Jidf is an acronym for Jewish Internet Defense Force, an organization, whose job is to spread positive propaganda about Israel. Supporting Isreal o...
mircea_popescu: ;;ud jidf
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=JIDF | Jidf is an acronym for Jewish Internet Defense Force, an organization, whose job is to spread positive propaganda about Israel. Supporting Isreal o...
mircea_popescu: o i see, they're oppressing jewish dyslexuals.
assbot: /b/ - Random
cazalla: /pol/ > /b/
qazwsxedcrfv: so, where can I short LTC?
cazalla: wow, i thought you were trolling that messi won golden ball
mircea_popescu: cazalla ikr ?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust qazwsxedcrfv
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user mircea_popescu to user qazwsxedcrfv: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 0 via 0 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=mircea_popescu&dest=qazwsxedcrfv | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=qazwsxedcrfv | Rated since: never
mircea_popescu: you don't.
jurov: <mircea_popescu> ... they sent no less than 15 emails to my spam filter.<< was it coindesk? they were target of phishing and it looked exactly like this.
artifexd: BIDF!
assbot: /b/ - Random
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 30 @ 0.02890175 = 0.8671 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: http://i.4cdn.org/b/1405290535657.png ahaha this is too fucking lulzy.
cazalla: pol already attacked tumblr the other week, many were triggered, a few suicides too
mircea_popescu: i can't remember what /pol/ is
cazalla: politics
cazalla: really more trolling white knights and marxists
cazalla: odd jew as well
cazalla: http://ohpi.org.au/4chans-pol-and-the-trouble-with-dean/ there is an aussie jew who takes the bait
assbot: Online Hate Prevention Institute » 4Chan’s /pol/ and the Trouble with Dean
cazalla: i have trolls remorse for poor ben garrison
mircea_popescu: "Online Hate Prevention Institute " ?!
mircea_popescu: what the fuck, this should be on kickstarter.
mircea_popescu: wait, the humourless fuck that made a cartoon in which some guy holding a guy fawkes mask is told by the mask, prophetically!11 "you are not as anon as you tihnk" complains that he doesn't understand why people deface his crap ?!
mircea_popescu: i saw that thing and my first thought was to deface it. because it's so fucking square, that's why.
cazalla: already been done
mircea_popescu: same thing that makes you want to punch a mongoloid kid makes you want to deface this guy's cartoon
mircea_popescu: and for the same fucking reason, i would imagine.
assbot: Human verification - 4plebs archive
cazalla: there's a few hilarious versions around, the shit they did to ben garrison is probably the lulziest shit i've ever seen online
cazalla: poor bastard actually has a disclaimer on his website that no, he isn't the author of the anti semetic versions
mircea_popescu: which are actually better than his own work,
mircea_popescu: and made him famous
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 100 @ 0.02890175 = 2.8902 BTC [-]
cazalla: pretty much
mircea_popescu: ahaha this article...
mircea_popescu: "Those like Dean need to be held accountable and 4chan and /pol/ in particular, need to look after their own shop. An online space with a little more freedom is a good thing, but it’s up to the community itself to warn people like Dean off when they go too far. "
mircea_popescu: epic. "a little freedom" ? "too far" ?
danielpbarron: just got banned from #bitcoin http://danielpbarron.com/lol.txt
mircea_popescu: nice domain.
mircea_popescu: !up hanbot
hanbot: why ty
mircea_popescu: http://i.imgur.com/ojqQQe9.png << someone should ipo the ice sun.
mircea_popescu: ;;ud mfw
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mfw | >mfw gerrard scored a goal against the us after 4 minutes. by unowiel June 12, ... MFW utilize reaction images and are almost always green text. ANON: What do ...
danielpbarron: heh, my new -1 for gmaxwell caused him to lose the ability to !up himself http://serajewelks.bitcoin-otc.com/trustgraph.php?source=assbot&dest=gmaxwell
assbot: #bitcoin-otc Web of Trust - Trust graph
mircea_popescu: ;;seen gmaxwell
gribble: gmaxwell was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 year, 37 weeks, 2 days, 21 hours, 42 minutes, and 25 seconds ago: <gmaxwell> thestringpuller: because he's nice for ten minute spans of time, and evades the bans and not everone knows about this BS.
mircea_popescu: well fwtw.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 190 @ 0.002728 = 0.5183 BTC [+]
benkay: !s evades the bans
benkay: looks like a hole in the logs.
benkay: log's date formats are by month
benkay: gribble returns seen by years and weeks
mircea_popescu: well yes, 2years ago. proly mthreat didn't get around to parsing the old stuff he got
benkay: *shrug* who even knows
benkay: the impedance mismatch between gribbles dates and the log dateformat makes for friction.
mircea_popescu: who the fuck does this. fuck first, then put condom on ?!
assbot: WTF 4chan
dub: not everyone choses to live where everyone has aids
mthreat: mircea_popescu: ya I was waiting for one guy who may have the logs from 2 years ago with no holes. I think his nickname begins with "A" but I can't remember it
assbot: Over the course of a weekend, DashCon 2014 descended into chaos
mircea_popescu: megascam apparently.
mircea_popescu: a guy from 2 years ago ?!
assbot: Anon discusses Dashcon. - Imgur
mthreat: mircea_popescu: maybe it was Azelphur
mircea_popescu: apparently bitcoin is not exceptional wrt bagholders and their behaviour
mircea_popescu: mthreat a that could be lessee.
mircea_popescu: Azelphur yo! logs ?
Azelphur: who what where?
Azelphur: also got takeaway arriving in a second, so might disappear :)
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: chan logs from 2012, you were gonna give to mthreat
mthreat: Azelphur: if you have logs, I'd love them, to backfill search.b-a :)
Azelphur: mthreat: Uploading, will be available at https://dl.dropboxusercontent.com/u/3832397/misc/2014/Jul/bitcoin-assets.zip once the upload is complete.
assbot: Not Found
Azelphur: oh, it already completed, that was fast.
Azelphur: sometimes I forget the wonders of my fancy new fibre connection.
mircea_popescu: cool danke!
mthreat: Azelphur: downloading, thanks!
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: you were right about my business endeavours btw :)
Azelphur goes back to thinking about how to not suck at making money
mircea_popescu: hey, i actually got something for you.
Azelphur: things! \o/
Azelphur: go on? :)
mircea_popescu: how about you implement that bitcoin register thing ?
Azelphur: bitcoin register thing?
mircea_popescu: ok lemme find it
mircea_popescu: !s name in the spec
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
Azelphur: what's b-a?
Azelphur: bitcoin assets?
Azelphur: brb, pizza is here
kakobrekla: <Azelphur> mircea_popescu: you were right about my business endeavours btw :) < ah, the powers of ba.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla you know how many times a day i get that ?
kakobrekla: which part
mircea_popescu: "o and btw, you were right about x business idea/venture/partner/whatever"
mircea_popescu: it's kinda why i stick around here, megaegoboost
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: well, to be fair you were only partially right, you said he was gonna screw me over and he didn't :P
Azelphur: he did however take one too many drugs and end up dead :<
mircea_popescu: yeah i guess i was.... partially right.
mircea_popescu backs away slowly
Azelphur: anyway shall munch my pizza then read through the log :)
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla btw, do you know what's the SECOND most common thing i get ?
kakobrekla: do tell
mircea_popescu: i guess ima mail you too.
mircea_popescu: check customer support.
mircea_popescu: she's coming to visit. alas... you won't be here. because somalia.
kakobrekla: her loss!
mircea_popescu: she's loose not lossy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 200 @ 0.002721 = 0.5442 BTC [-]
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: seems like a fun idea, although it doesn't really solve my "not sucking at making money" problem :P
nubbins`: not sucking at making money is a problem?
Azelphur: nubbins`: no, but sucking at making money is ;)
kakobrekla: step 1: admitting you have a problem
mircea_popescu: sucking makes money.
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: I dunno, I guess the monthly sub thing could work towards making some money, also what's assbots l2?
mircea_popescu: Azelphur but seriously, it has a fee attached. that makes money.
kakobrekla: step 2: ba logs.
mircea_popescu: or do you want to make a lot of money fast ?
mircea_popescu: ;;gettrust assbot azelphur
gribble: Currently authenticated from hostmask Azelphur!~Azelphur@azelphur.com. Trust relationship from user assbot to user azelphur: Level 1: 0, Level 2: 5 via 5 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=assbot&dest=azelphur | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=azelphur | Rated since: Mon Apr 9 00:11:58 2012
mircea_popescu: Level 2: 5 via 5 connections.
Azelphur: oh right, level 2 connections
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: who doesn't want to make a lot of money fast
benkay: <syntheticsky> anyone interested in starting a new altcoin based on the concept of strong artificial intelligence? I run an AI project. please /join #syntheticsky if interested
benkay: <syntheticsky> or email me at synthetic.sky@gmx.de
benkay: <syntheticsky> as as I can't stay online
mircea_popescu: i think if you ask nicely kako may share the code of how he tests it
mircea_popescu: benkay lets jkoin then
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: tests what?
benkay: (crayballs altcoiners)
mircea_popescu: Azelphur the l2ness
Azelphur: oh, that's easy to test
mircea_popescu: reusing code has the advantage that bugs may be found
mircea_popescu: especially valuable if kako wrote it
benkay: testing in production...twice!
Azelphur shrugs
Azelphur: depends what language its in
Azelphur: yea...pass
mircea_popescu: php on bungee rope
mircea_popescu: the competitor to ruby on rails.
benkay: probably going to win by virtue of inertia
Azelphur: mircea_popescu: been doing this kinda thing since before my balls had dropped, I'm sure I can manage ;)
kakobrekla: my php made more btc than your python or whatever.
assbot: Viata de care noi nu stim - YouTube
Azelphur: kakobrekla: doubt it :P
kakobrekla: i dont.
benkay: kinda not a language-level thing, the profitability of an operation.
benkay: orly? story time?
kakobrekla: thats the point
kakobrekla: it what comes out of it.
dub: so much downs in that lineup
Azelphur: haha
mircea_popescu: are you an internet troll making blind unidimensional blackness, dub ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c https://btc.waroflife.com/gow/17/activity/#bomb_payments << all three big bombs life ? srsly ?
assbot: War of Life - Cellular automaton to the death!
mike_c: the blockchain is scamming, not me.
mike_c: blame the miners
mircea_popescu: btw, seen hanbot's rehash idea ?
mike_c: no
mircea_popescu: hm grible eats last tells
mircea_popescu: !s rehash
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: "- Tumblr user kirbeh described hotel mints being given away at a panel as competition prizes."
mircea_popescu: no srsly, the neobees of this world gotta learn from this dashcom thing
mircea_popescu: i mean this is even cheaper than the bitcoin foundation prizepool.
mircea_popescu: "- None of the main convention organizers appear to have a background in fan conventions or similar events. DashCon owners Megan Eli and Roxanne Schwieterman are a novelist “with 15 years of business experience” and a 20-year-old with “a degree in hospitality management,” respectively."
mike_c: well, more like why even bother worry about it. the odds of that happenning are zero.
mike_c: rehash on edge case
mircea_popescu: a. because the sort of people who want to play this are ocd types
mircea_popescu: and you don't want to put that sort of copy in front of ocd types.
mircea_popescu: it grates.
mike_c: ;;calc 0.04633 ** 20
mike_c: indeed gribble
mike_c: 2.07 x 10 ^ -27
mike_c: srsly, the world will be invaded by aliens a billion times over before that happens
mike_c: and i do handle it, not like the game blows up
mircea_popescu: aite, i guess it can be a point of argument then. gotta give users something to complain about
mircea_popescu: which reminds me, chatbox ?
mike_c: i could drop in an iframe with freenode web chat :)
mike_c: i've thought of a couple different chat mechanisms. JD's chat box always seemed like a negative to me
mike_c: did you ever spend any time in there?
mircea_popescu: originally.
mircea_popescu: but a freenode drop seems ideal to me.
mike_c: ;;later tell punkman yes.. something in that area is needed.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mike_c: it's hard to have a "your bets" thing, because it's all on the blockchain. but i could let you mark arbitrary bets as yours and then track those.
kakobrekla: ;;g kiwi irc
gribble: Error: "g" is not a valid command.
kakobrekla: ;;google kiwi irc
gribble: KiwiIRC - The webIRC client: <https://kiwiirc.com/>; Kiwi IRC | Embedding: <https://kiwiirc.com/embedding>; prawnsalad/KiwiIRC · GitHub: <https://github.com/prawnsalad/KiwiIRC/>
kakobrekla: that one is also not bad
mike_c: that will do nicely
mike_c: thx
assbot: When a Fan Hits the Shit - Fanlore
mircea_popescu: there is SO MUCH idiocy on the internet i had happily ignored
mircea_popescu: and it all fucking moved into btc.
mircea_popescu: and then i sit here and wonder wtf do all these idiots come from.
mircea_popescu: why, lj. tumblr. the con scene. this that and the fucking other.
dub: meh, think my phone is proper dead
thestringpuller: mircea_popescu: have you seen house of cards?
Duffer1: i'm being attacked
Duffer1: this guy's got balls
benkay: Duffer1: ?
Duffer1: they somehow got my unique email pw
Duffer1: used it to reset my coinbase password
Duffer1: then tried to call my cell phone company to set up call forwarding
Duffer1: my unique random generated 25 alpha/num email pw, how does someone get that?
Duffer1: how were they able to change coinbase pw when i have 2fa enabled
Duffer1: wtf
mthreat: keylogger?
mthreat: 2fa lasts 30 seconds; if someone were watching live, they could use it as you type it. <-- ultra paranoid
benkay: holy heck
Duffer1: i've got my bank account on lockdown, regained control of my compromised email for now
Duffer1: i need to figure how they got it so they don't regain control
mthreat: I want to put this as the background of a good song remix: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1yYrYCE4i1c&feature=share
assbot: (Audiobook) The Original Bitcoin White Paper by Satoshi Nakamoto - YouTube
danielpbarron: 22:09:41 CTCP VERSION reply from Duffer1: HexChat 2.9.6 [x64] / Windows 7 [2.81GHz] << there's your problem
Duffer1: windoes or hexchat?
danielpbarron: did the bold not show up? (windows)
Duffer1: the name highlight may have overridden the bold
Duffer1: seriously though, just windows?
Duffer1: how did they know my phone service provider
mthreat: if they hav your email, they can find it out?
mthreat: if you receive email from provider
Duffer1: it's not associated, the service is even in my moms name
Duffer1: which is why they weren't successful in setting up call forwarding
danielpbarron: idk man, I don't trust ubuntu; I can't even imagine trying to feign security on a windows machine
mike_c: Duffer1: if you are concerned the machine is compromised you should pull the network cable and never plug it back in.
Duffer1: that's the thing, i have no idea what was compromised
danielpbarron: well you have some idea: your email was compromised apparently
Duffer1: email and coinbase and almost cell phone carrier
mike_c: mircea_popescu:dub hm, what do you hate about it ? that there's not really any "you lose 100%" ? << sometimes there is: https://atc.waroflife.com/gow/11/
assbot: Game 11 - Death 9097 Life 903 Year 1000 - War of Life
benkay: what's the commonality?
benkay: computer.
Duffer1: should i get a new HD or am I ok with just a new OS?
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Hard dives are cheap
Duffer1: no i know, i've just never been compromised like this before, they didn't get anything, but still that's scary as fuck
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 285 @ 0.002729 = 0.7778 BTC [+] {2}
cazalla: anyone else have access to your machine?
kakobrekla: đđđđđđ
kakobrekla: gotta change the password now!
Duffer1: nah just me and i'm here 24/7, also I run keyscrambler
Duffer1: i suspect they called comcast and got some tier one wanker to reset pw
Duffer1: i can't figure out how they got coinbase though unless coinbase itself is compromised
[]bot: Bet placed: 1 BTC for No on "BTC to top $800 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/994/ Odds: 18(Y):82(N) by coin, 19(Y):81(N) by weight. Total bet: 5.38923557 BTC. Current weight: 94,456.
benkay: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 627.71, Best ask: 629.98, Bid-ask spread: 2.27000, Last trade: 630.0, 24 hour volume: 3803.10216359, 24 hour low: 626.09, 24 hour high: 638.73, 24 hour vwap: 632.752522547
cazalla: danielpbarron: why don't you trust ubuntu? (that's what I use)
BingoBoingo: cazalla: Because the history of White Africans is one steeped in failure probably
cazalla: BingoBoingo: what's a better alternative for a novice?
BingoBoingo: Maybe Linux mint debian edition. Alternately Scientific Linux.
cazalla: i should probably put in the effort to learn a little more eh
artifexd: ;;ident Duffer1
gribble: Nick 'Duffer1', with hostmask 'Duffer1!~Duffer1@c-98-232-231-188.hsd1.or.comcast.net', is identified as user 'Duffer1', with GPG key id D5B0A00741A54A60, key fingerprint 68D283ADB0688306D98C5BE0D5B0A00741A54A60, and bitcoin address 1MHKhfiC7AgZdErt9b8xkXbcKoWSxPjJgG
artifexd: Duffer1: Are your gpg key and bitcoin wallet secure? How do we know that you are really you?
danielpbarron: cazalla, it's too popular; it's focus is on spready adoption rather than security
danielpbarron: I use it too; that's why I singled it out of all the other *nix variants
mircea_popescu: mike_c rare tho
BingoBoingo: cazalla: For pure ease of use some Debian derivative will prolly cause you the least headaches
Duffer1: artifexd afaik my gpg key wasn't compromised, but i have know way to confirm, my bitcoins are safe, i don't have anything online or on my comp
artifexd: Still, it might be a good idea to put sweeping all your wallets and changing your gribble keys on your cleanup todo list.
Duffer1: fuck you're right
artifexd: Sweeping to a paper wallet is first on my "what to do when shit is suspicious" list.
Duffer1: i'm already on paper, but i'll probably have to change gpg info
danielpbarron: with what machine was the paper created?
Duffer1: offline laptop, i bought it for that purpoes
artifexd: You also have a bitcoin address registered with gribble.
Duffer1: purpose
Duffer1: ya i take my shit seriously, which is why i'm surprised they got as far as they did
artifexd: I made my paper wallet with an abacus in a steel shielded room.
artifexd: With the lights off.
Duffer1: hehe
artifexd: I hope I didn't miss a bead.
BingoBoingo: Well, windows is a limiting factor on how serious you can be
Duffer1: indeed
danielpbarron: i don't get it then; you have an offline machine for your BTC but you keep your gpg key on the online windows thing?
Duffer1: yea
danielpbarron: although you don't have that much in your gpg identity yet; 2 ratings
Duffer1: yea pretty much convenience vs security on that one
artifexd: Someone is also much more likely to try to steal a wallet than a gpg key.
danielpbarron: maybe they have to get one to get the other
artifexd: gpg key compromise can be recovered from. Once your coins fly, they're gone.
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller nope.
danielpbarron: lol.. losing your gpg key could very well equal losing your coins.. plus more
mircea_popescu: <Duffer1> this guy's got balls << who ?
Duffer1: danielpbarron they're unrelated for me at least
Duffer1: evil people, they don't like leaving me alone :(
mircea_popescu: <Duffer1> wtf << 2fa is shit. otherwise sounds like you got a keylogger.
Duffer1: i use a program that encrypts every keystroke at the driver level
BingoBoingo: Duffer1: Why? Dunno what purpose a program like that can serve.
Duffer1: to prevent keylogging - even if they had hardware access to my machine they shouldn't be able to log
mircea_popescu: <Duffer1> i suspect they called comcast and got some tier one wanker to reset pw << now this is also possible.
mircea_popescu: Duffer1 think. at some point your machine sees the keys.
mthreat: yep. a chrome extension, for example, doesn't care about your hardware
Duffer1: you're right
Duffer1: atm i'm building a list of everything that needs to change, it's long
BingoBoingo: The thing is this Encrypt the keystrokes to beat keyloggers turd smells like pure security theatre and little else
mircea_popescu: also what danielpbarron said. ffs, srsly ? make a key on the airgapped laptop and get a qr gun for cryssakes.
mircea_popescu: they're like $20
Duffer1: no idea how to do that
mircea_popescu: you buy the qr gun. you plug it into your windoze machine.
mircea_popescu: you decrypt whatever on the laptop, and use the gun to read the screen
Duffer1: that's pretty clever lol
mircea_popescu: or w/e, you can just take pics with a camera. you got a camera don't you ?
mircea_popescu: ocr is free basically.
Duffer1: ocr?
mircea_popescu: ;;ud ocr
gribble: http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=OCR | Optical Character Recognition. Used in computing terminology. Actually, is a computer software designed to translate images of typewritten text int...
Duffer1: i see
mthreat: ;;ddg duckduckgo workie?
gribble: Error: "ddg" is not a valid command.
mthreat: just curious
mircea_popescu: you can make !ddg if you want
mircea_popescu: tho what'd be really useful would be a translate.
mircea_popescu: google fucked up api access to gt
mircea_popescu: https://twitter.com/x__LaBellaVita/status/488503917387325441 < check out all the mike_c fan chicks coming out of the woodwork
mthreat: it looks like google translate is a paid service (for API) - https://developers.google.com/translate/v2/pricing
assbot: Pricing - Google Translate API — Google Developers
mthreat: $20 per 1M characters of tet
mthreat: *text
mthreat: reasonable I guess
mircea_popescu: i'll pay the $20 if you want to add it.
mthreat: how does one update the ! bot
mircea_popescu: o it goes through assbot. i forgot, somehoiw thought you had rolled your own bot
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 785138.67 Est. Next Diff: 542762.62 in 812 blocks (#40320) Est. % Change: -30.87
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 221 Ask: 278 Last Price: 221 24h-Vol: 22k High: 224 Low: 221 VWAP: 223
atcbot: 45k@282 722@279 30k@278 | 84k@221 300k@220 45k@201
mircea_popescu: nanotube hey, if i pay the google translate api thing, you bring back gribble translate ?
mircea_popescu: !up copumpkin
mircea_popescu: not much
mircea_popescu: you know how to voice yourself ? i forget.
copumpkin: haven't been in here since voicing was a thing, so nope :)
mircea_popescu: pm assbot !up while authed.
copumpkin: is my ISP fucked or is mpex down?
mircea_popescu: it's down.
assbot: MPEx status update pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
copumpkin: onoes!
mircea_popescu: ya well.
mircea_popescu: !up AndrewJackson
mike_c: lol. cellular automata gets all the chicks
copumpkin: mircea_popescu: well, good luck with that! I'm going to bed, just wanted to check in :)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 266 @ 0.00272903 = 0.7259 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ibressh.org uses the IP number 217.70.184.38 only which also vente-cuisines-contemporaines-salondeprovence.com , en-bord-de-champs.com , gdlindustries.com and
mircea_popescu: gld industries eh ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 450 @ 0.00265181 = 1.1933 BTC [-] {7}
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