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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10060 @ 0.00082725 = 8.3221 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 43350 @ 0.0008237 = 35.7074 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: Cat And Lynx Become Inseparable Friends
assbot: [MPEX] [FT] [X.EUR] 500 @ 0.00227025 = 1.1351 BTC [+] {3}
Apocalyptic: ;;calc 1.3462**1.04
gribble: 1.36230380511
Apocalyptic: Mats_cd03, ^
FabianB: mircea_popescu: jurov: it should do bait << it should do mp approved bait. <-- it kind of does now, even probably not what you expected
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306443 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 2004 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 10 hours, 50 minutes, and 3 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 11878747551.5 | Estimated Percent Change: -11.7647
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2980 @ 0.00082725 = 2.4652 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.20023447 = 0.6007 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21750 @ 0.00082464 = 17.9359 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40750 @ 0.00082731 = 33.7129 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: !up Vexual
moiety: !up Vexual
Vexual: ohai
moiety: hai :]
Vexual: whats new?
Apocalyptic: so Argentina is refusing to pay some US hedge funds some settlement on their debt
Vexual: yeah i read that 1.5 bn
Vexual: can't afford it ?
moiety: what will happen next?
Vexual: they will still not afford it
moiety: will it just stalemate?
Apocalyptic: apparently they sent a couple of lawyers to NY
Apocalyptic: to "discuss" the matter with the judge that ordered them to pay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.2001 = 0.6003 BTC [-]
Apocalyptic: Vexual, apparently it's more like 15 bn in total
Apocalyptic: the 2 funds in question are indeed owed 1.4, but this settlement will trigger payments to others funds too
Apocalyptic: from what I read
Apocalyptic: central bank reserves in USD are 28,5 bn
Apocalyptic: kind of a big chunk
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.18952502 = 0.7581 BTC [-] {4}
Vexual: i guess they owe germany gold then?
Vexual: nothing a few thousand men couldn't scratch off the surface in a month
Apocalyptic: speaking of germany and gold
Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 71 @ 0.02999989 = 2.13 BTC [+] {2}
Vexual: fucking nada
assbot: BBC News - Hidden painting found under Picasso's The Blue Room
Vexual: those suits sent to ny will do well to slow proceedings
Vexual: no wonder that guy sells for big money
moiety: buy one, get one free!
Vexual: a proper old picasso print can be had for 1nc
Vexual: or real coin even
assbot: [HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container
fluffypony: so now everyone is rushing to verify that this is "nothing like Neo & Bee"
fluffypony: gotta love that group due diligence
fluffypony: "aving been in communication with these guys a bit I can say that they are definitely not NEO & BEE types. These guys definitely know what they are doing and they have proven that they can deliver since they have already done so. Unlike many offerings, their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven."
moiety: because technical ability stops you running off with peoples monies
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15200 @ 0.00082789 = 12.5839 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: !up Vexual
fluffypony: obviously
Vexual: hif is buy now?
Vexual: looks like havelocks answer to ghash
Vexual: and it'd be timed exactly right if not for the 3-6 month deployment time
Vexual: but it smells like catpiss and the cat is technique
Vexual: pankakke?
jurov: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306455 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1992 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 12 hours, 20 minutes, and 48 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 12833387688.7 | Estimated Percent Change: -4.67364
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12450 @ 0.00082264 = 10.2419 BTC [-]
Vexual: the prospectus has anxpro on a cg container, are they affiliated?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 25 @ 0.042 = 1.05 BTC
Vexual: plus token white dude, dollar exchange, mining, stock market
Vexual: ;;8ball
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21889486 = 0.8756 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.21929955 = 1.0965 BTC [+] {4}
pankkake: "their technical skills and abilities are pretty well proven" => same was said about kslaugther, presented as some rock star entrepreneur and engineer (when he was neither)
mircea_popescu: fluffypony neobee TYPES mind you.
mircea_popescu: these schmucks have sunk in the research and classifieds the typology nao.
mircea_popescu: the archetype of the neobee being, of course, that antonoderpulous guy.
Apocalyptic: pankkake, so was Zhou
fluffypony: well I had my say on the thread
assbot: [HAVELOCK] DataTank Mining: 1.2MW 3M Novec Immersion Cooled 2PH Mining Container
pankkake: his blind hate for anything MP
mircea_popescu: wait im involved ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I dared to mention that a WoT presence might be a good starting point
jurov: "it was pretty hard to not reach a positive ROI by now with most asics." this doesn't have anything to do with mp
mircea_popescu: lol how's wot mp related
Apocalyptic: fluffypony, "Additionally, don't confuse the possibility of them being fiat profitable with them being Bitcoin profitable" too many derps don't distinguish between the two and will generally eagerly settle for the former
mircea_popescu: also most asics actually got no +roi.
pankkake: I don't mean made by MP
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic that's a problem, yeah.
pankkake: !up Vexual
mircea_popescu: the stupidity of people holding bitcoin is the one thing that can hurt bitcoin (as evidenced by say the pirate debacle, or by the fact that a million fucktarded stoners managed to give the usg a gift of 20k ish btcs)
mircea_popescu: luckily that tends to be a self-limiting problem
mircea_popescu: FabianB how does it do bait ?
pankkake: I hope you're right
mircea_popescu: pankkake well, it's finite see. the only way they can do something stupid in the first place is by giving it away
mircea_popescu: that's the definition of self limiting
mircea_popescu: Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to.
mircea_popescu: moiety: what will happen next? <<< probably us court will try to confiscate various argentine assets in various countries, further straining its relations with the world.
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic: I wonder how much US sent them back so far << the us had more sense than to put a clause in there that the matter is to be judged according to frankfurt law.
mircea_popescu: "They have something better than WOT. Real names and real business experience." ahahaha help me rwanda.
fluffypony: I know
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, in the meantime i read that they are planning to get 50% back to frankfurt in a matter of seven years or so
Apocalyptic: so it's too soon to tell how it's going
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic they're also planning tobalance the budget
mircea_popescu: over about the same timeframe
mircea_popescu: or wait, was that, they're planning to actually send congress a budget at all, like required by law ?
Apocalyptic: <mircea_popescu> Vexual: can't afford it ? << actually, they could, they just dun want to. // yeah they could at the expense of roughly half their USD reserves
mircea_popescu: fluffypony " Given how reliant this company is on paying backend costs in fiat" I don't follow this part.
mircea_popescu: why would fiat costs pose a problem ? it's quite clear why fiat revenues are a problem for reits etc, but costs ?
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic right.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: in other words, if they were paying staff and rent in Bitcoin they could present a business plan with amounts in Bitcoin
fluffypony: but they're reliant on the exchange-rate-at-the-time costs are due
assbot: How to fail gracefully as a Bitcoin business
fluffypony: having fiat-denominated expenses is not in and of itself bad, but they're going to sink virtually the entire amount into fiat costs up-front
fluffypony: to pay for equipment etc. etc.
mircea_popescu: o well say it like that then
mircea_popescu: that makes sense.
fluffypony: -1 point for fluffyclarity
mircea_popescu: "by investing in this company you're buying chunks of a dollar-denominated investment, because they mostly plan to sell your bitcoin and pay off fiat costs."
mircea_popescu: it's funny tho, that completely disqualifies thyem from any sort of experience or competence in the field
mircea_popescu: quite contrary to that derps claims.
mircea_popescu: luckily we have years of amassed history and discussion to establish what competence/experience are, what they do and how they look like.
mircea_popescu: Mark Serbu told us, “I refused to sell my rifles to the NYPD, and when I talked about it online, it blew up like crazy. Everybody liked the idea of a gun law biting the government on the ass. There are only two manufacturers of semi-automatic 50-caliber rifles in the US, and neither will sell to the NYPD. This is like, ‘Screw you, New York.’ People are less safe without our rifles to protect you.
mircea_popescu: i had no idea they used the barrett as an anti-personnel device on the streets of the asphalt jungle
mircea_popescu: the army mostly uses it to blow up explosives iirc
BingoBoingo: Also works on trucks
mircea_popescu: i guess it'd work on anything short of a tank
BingoBoingo: Pretty much anything not specifically designed to prevent it working, with exception as defined by the laws of physics (mountains, clouds, the sun...)
mircea_popescu: i suppose the wanna-be cool dorks love it because it's so BIG and it looks JUST LIKE IN TH MOVIES OMAYGAWD
mircea_popescu: god help you if you have to use the thing indoors tho
mircea_popescu: fluffypony btw that article is quite useful
mircea_popescu: but srsly, make better urls.
fluffypony: I have already, will go fix past articles a bit later
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: But expensive things with niche uses when less expensive more general purpose tools of quality are available is the American way!!!
mircea_popescu: One thing to note is that, generally speaking, a Bitcoin/altcoin mining operation is strictly profitable from a fiat perspective. Anyone who thinks they’re profitable from a BTC perspective needs to take a cold, hard look at the data for the past few years, and needs to couple the historical data with the inevitable delays when pre-ordering mining equipment. << this is quite true.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin mining is a perfect avenue for large players to dodge tax, whcih is why the hash is going quite so nuts.
mircea_popescu: rack up the fiat expenses so you don't make a profit, take the bitcoin home.
fluffypony: but it serves no practical purpose as an investment vehicle for those already holding Bitcoin (or who are buying Bitcoin on a monthly basis with their fiat earnings)
mircea_popescu: on top of that there's some... maybe 1-2% by now, amateurs that get to jerkoff to the thought that they're "just as much a part of bitcoin AS ANYONE"
mircea_popescu: they used to be 10% earlier this year. then again they used to be 100% a coupla years ago
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo only recently. didn't use to be.
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ?
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: American's didn't have the too much money problem until recently though (1950's) Kids who grew up with that mindset run the show nao though... or at least imagine they do
mircea_popescu: sad but true
BingoBoingo: All of these people who grew up when the rest of the world was crippled now imagine it still is.
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 5k@150 49k@143 175k@142
mircea_popescu: how did the volume go again ?
atcbot: %t | %ticker | %book | %diff | %tx <tx_id> | %bal <address> | %mined | %block <block_height> | %lb | %tslb | %cm | %ptp | %help | %h
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 150 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 430638.11 in 667 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.80
Apocalyptic: it's in quiet mode before the diff retarget
Apocalyptic: will bring the hoppers back
mircea_popescu: seems so yeah.
mircea_popescu: funny tho the lockstep way it works. 1k - 4k - 1.5k - 5k - 2k - 7k - 5k diff sort of thing
mircea_popescu: seems the hopper's "optimisation" is nothing but a dream in their head
mircea_popescu: since they'll be counting the "high" 5k as "low" six weeks later anyway
mircea_popescu: might as well just have mined all through.
Apocalyptic: well the hooper's "optimisation" is disturbed by unbalanced's plan somehow
mircea_popescu: course this is a fact people who aren't familiar with atc history probably easily miss.
Apocalyptic: dunno if he started earlier than this diff period though
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156
mircea_popescu: Apocalyptic i suspect it's only disrupted by the fact that atc has the sort of backing that makes it not go anywhere. it's nailed straight to the sun as it were.
mircea_popescu: this bit of info'd quite change the optimisation, if they had it.
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150
Apocalyptic: mircea_popescu, it may well be so
assbot: Pour la Cour des comptes, il faut baisser le nombre de fonctionnaires
Apocalyptic: french people finally wake up
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 201 Last Price: 160 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 156
mircea_popescu: how many are they anyway ? 20mn ?
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 607.51, Best ask: 609.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.49000, Last trade: 609.0, 24 hour volume: 8473.12848309, 24 hour low: 586.84, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 604.991375459
Apocalyptic: i wouldn't hazard a guess, too much for sure
pankkake: Apocalyptic: la Cour des comptes has been saying smart things for years, and has been ignored all the way
Apocalyptic: yeah pankkake
assbot: Les intermittents du spectacle occupent la Cour des comptes - L'Express
atcbot: -9 minutes and 49 seconds
BingoBoingo: ^ mod6 negative %tslb???
assbot: Last 3 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/237PFCH.txt )
pankkake: (translation : highly subsidied fake artists occupy the Court of Accounts)
atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150
assbot: Unisys phasing out decades-old mainframe processor for x86 chips - Computerworld
assbot: I stopped a ten million dollar robbery - Boing Boing
assbot: The Secret Service wants software that detects social media sarcasm. Yeah, sure it will work. - The Washington Post
jurov: "Ability to detect sarcasm and false positives," the request reads.
Apocalyptic: jurov, at this point it must be trolling
jurov: Apocalyptic why? i wouldn't put it past them?
BingoBoingo: Maybe the headline is the test? Secret Service collecting references to it as data to feed the beast...
mircea_popescu: ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink, because nao i can't say thestringpuller;'s got a prettry interesting comment up there at http://devilsadvocate.biz/crabs-in-the-bucket/?replytocom=75#respond
assbot: Crabs in the Bucket
mircea_popescu: i could use some *people* that reliably detect my sarcasm
BingoBoingo: It's a hard problem in text
mircea_popescu: it's a hard problem irl, too.
mircea_popescu: ajhahaha that robbery link above :
mircea_popescu: Bill said, “We’ll lend $10 million IF we get the full $25 million on any default.” Here were the other terms Bill said.
mircea_popescu: - 15% interest, paid quarterly
mircea_popescu: - the full loan is due back in two years
mircea_popescu: - $600,000 fee paid to Bill up front.
mircea_popescu: - Bill wanted 25% of all the upside on the full $25 million in shares for the next ten years.
mircea_popescu: now THATs robbery.
BingoBoingo: How was the borrower agreeing to that not a red flag that they were a fake
mircea_popescu: it kinda is.
mircea_popescu: anyway, the post sounds legit. it's pretty much how something like that'd go.
BingoBoingo: Kinda the Roger Ver story, except he still praises and pays the loons that fleece him
mircea_popescu: “I have an idea,” I said, “I know the guy who wrote that letter. I’ll write to him and ask him if he wrote that letter. This way he independently verifies.” << the wot.
mircea_popescu: quote that to forum derp. this is exactly what we fucking do here, day in, day out.
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
pankkake: !up Vexual
pankkake: Vexual: why still not on the wot?
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Also get rid of that discus shit
pankkake: not that you could be easily faked
fluffypony: BingoBoingo: I hate all the other jekyll comment plugins
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Just have a send all comments to X@Y.Z email address
fluffypony: too much like hard work
fluffypony: I'll see if there's something new out for jekyll that is non-JS-ish
BingoBoingo: Or... Just use Wordpress comments
fluffypony: I will never install Wordpress again. EVER.
BingoBoingo: Not the whole thing, just the comment form
pankkake: I've seen some automated systems to do it, finally. proper comments was the only thing I would miss with a static blog
pankkake: I haven't tried those yet though
assbot: mpalmer/jekyll-static-comments GitHub
fluffypony: not wild about it, tho
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com the hottest idea in bitcoin
gribble: Probably the hottest business idea of the moment in BTC… pe ...: <http://trilema.com/2012/probably-the-hottest-business-idea-of-the-moment-in-btc/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>; Some basic discussion of Bitcoin macroeconomy pe Trilema - Un ...: <http://trilema.com/2013/some-basic-discussion-of-bitcoin-macroeconomy/>
assbot: caurea.org
fluffypony: it does an email address per post
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2199997 = 1.1 BTC [+]
fluffypony: will take a looksie again when I have time
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
mircea_popescu: <BingoBoingo> fluffypony: Also get rid of that discus shit << srsly.
BingoBoingo: The reason to use wordpress is that it's the standard. Doing it right is hard, but all of the usefull standards are.
mircea_popescu: he's prolly tried wp past 1.x and got burned by how shitty it is
BingoBoingo: 2.X for some values of X isn't bad. Same with 3.X with caveat, that for some values of X.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo ya i meat 2 not 1 my bad
fluffypony: ;;ping
gribble: pong
fluffypony: so I asked Jimmy Boy: "I'll turn that around and ask you to list 3 mining operations that were Bitcoin profitable. To simplify, you can just list the asset, what the IPO share price was, and what BTC dividends to date would have been for 1 BTC invested."
fluffypony: to which he responds: "Petamine, asicminer, 100th mine, and most people who bought bfl hardware, AM hardware, knc hardware, bitmain hardware, a1 clones, avalon hardware, bitfury hardware."
fluffypony: apparently buying hardware == investing in an asset.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony he went to the us school of diversive argumentation.
fluffypony: and apparently "The whole internet is a web of trust."
fluffypony: he didn't read my comments AT ALL
mircea_popescu: serious politician : "name one policy your demagogy implemented that served the public"
fluffypony: stupid fucktard.
BingoBoingo: fluffypony: Maybe ask why hes till isn't Bitrich
pankkake: 100th mine was profitable?
mircea_popescu: twerp : "guncontrolobamacareglobalwarmingsmokingbanclimatechangederpyherpyderpderpherp"
mircea_popescu: costs him about 100x less to run the mouth than it costs you, and so... he's using it.
mircea_popescu: this is why, incidentally, giving people a voice is such a bad idea.
mircea_popescu: the only thing it yields is a vicious circle of ever decreasing marginal investment in speech
pankkake: also people who bought bfl profited?!
mircea_popescu: what a healthy society needs are lemon laws for speech.
fluffypony: lemon laws!
xmj: mircea_popescu: lemon laws?
xmj: as in, The Market For Lemons ?
mircea_popescu: problem with trying to implement that however is that it's too fucking sweet for whoever's in charge to hijack it into oppression of dissent
mircea_popescu: so basically society only works for as long as society enforces some sort of equivalent by itself. which is also why there can never be a society of "laws not men".
mircea_popescu: men are needed to keep language meaningful.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 7724 @ 0.00008136 = 0.6284 BTC [-] {6}
BingoBoingo: Sorta like the dilema by which Bitcoin is great for a well lawed and ordered society yet incredibly hostile to regulation
mircea_popescu: well you can't cutthe knife
BingoBoingo: Plenty of tools cut knives.
mircea_popescu: sure. but nothing cuts itself. evntually you get to a prime mover.
mircea_popescu: bitcoin can't be regulated because it regulates you.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00082119 = 7.7192 BTC [-]
assbot: The Scientific Way to Cut a Cake - YouTube
mircea_popescu: incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ?
mircea_popescu: or so common & obvious it really doesn't need a word for itself
fluffypony: a pie chart is called a camembert chart in French?
fluffypony: awesome
BingoBoingo: The latter it seems from my limited knowledge
pankkake: fluffypony: fun thing, it's called just "un camembert", not even "graphe en camembert"
mircea_popescu: imo this should be backported to english
fluffypony: agreed
mircea_popescu: "his camemberts looked like blocks of fucking swiss"
fluffypony: hah hah
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo i wonder how they manage to shoot videos tbh. if i were living the limited lifespan of a rappar, i couldn't give less of a shit as to what tv convntions are.
mircea_popescu: all my videos feature shots of the nekkid ladies
mircea_popescu: must seem so fucken plastic & fake. "whyz dese bitches dresst anyway?!?!"
assbot: Snoop Dogg's Doggystyle - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
FabianB: <+mircea_popescu> FabianB how does it do bait ? <-- not exactly, i mean this:
FabianB: $depth mpoe
empyex: FabianB: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=91 Or use a valid MPSIC!
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
mircea_popescu: but pankkake ... why'z dem bitchez dresst ?!
mircea_popescu: also wtf shitty chopjob
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306472 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1975 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 17 minutes, and 31 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 13957917818.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 3.67937
assbot: BitBet - FIFA World Cup 2014: goal in under 10 mins :: 0.19 B (57%) on Yes, 0.14 B (43%) on No | closed 13 hours 27 minutes ago
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it god paid out already neh ?
BingoBoingo: Yeah, amazing how sometimes events make the errors irrelevant.
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
BingoBoingo: I was kinda hoping Ghana would have won that one
assbot: Transformers Premake documentary: Age of Extinction inspires guerrilla video essay (VIDEO).
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 12 @ 0.21999999 = 2.64 BTC [+] {3}
BingoBoingo: Detroit and Chicago are cheaper stand ins for China than... China
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 64 @ 0.23955234 = 15.3313 BTC [+] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.245 = 2.45 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: Doctor Grumpy in the House: 12:07 a.m.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 26 @ 0.24384615 = 6.34 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: ahahaha epic
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12700 @ 0.00082825 = 10.5188 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: "I was shaking. We had spoken to Evil on the phone." ahaha dude how fucking overdramatic can altucher get.
mircea_popescu: a fraudster stands to evil in the relationship an army major stands to the government.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 10 @ 0.22000065 = 2.2 BTC [-] {3}
BingoBoingo: I dunno if even a Madoff level fraudster makes it as an officer candidate in the Evil Army
mircea_popescu: well what is evil army ?
mircea_popescu: evil is traditionally used as the catchall for anything anyone perceives as contrarian or enmitous and isn't readily reducible.
BingoBoingo: Well, in the heirarchy I imagine Pol Pot makes Colnel... barely
mircea_popescu: davout http://fr.anco.is/2014/06/16/the-security-fail-blockchain-wont-tell-you-about/ << good points, but the blockchain wallet usecase isn't storying a lot of btc.
assbot: The security fail blockchain won’t tell you about | fr.anco.is
mircea_popescu: actually pretty much the only usecase i'm aware of is when you want to do basically the equivalent of issuing yourself a limited preloaded card.
mircea_popescu: i never use the cards associated with my various business accounts, ever. but if they came with a diy kit where i could create my own subcards, preload them and discard them... maybe, just maybe.
fluffypony: I've been wanting the same
fluffypony: even if it's only creating virtual cards initially
fluffypony: load amounts in
BingoBoingo: Yeah, a decent low fee prepaid card is basically a money condom
fluffypony: and use them online for a month or two
mircea_popescu: no fucking way am i sharing an account that may well have fiddy million in it with some random guy with a pony tail in whatever restaurant
fluffypony: and then abandon them
mircea_popescu: no matter how ridiculous counting fiddy hundred dollar bills may look to the sort of people i don't fuck anyway
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mircea_popescu: people do stupid sht like that all the time, too.
mircea_popescu: ever want to get a kickass car ? it's simple : buy a red jacket and a cap, sit by the entrance to an expensive restaurant
mircea_popescu: you'll get a free ferrari in five minutes flat.
mircea_popescu: guy just hands you the key and walks off.
mircea_popescu: "o, he thought you were the vallet". well that's fine, you thought he was santa.
mircea_popescu: as joelkatz would say, "common misunderstanding"
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mircea_popescu: Yiannis Chrysanthou, a security researcher who recently completed his MSc thesis on modern password cracking, was able to crack the password "Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn1."
mircea_popescu: fuck me that sounds scary
mircea_popescu: up until you realise some total dork took a line off lovercraft, as-is.
assbot: Bruce Schneier passwords fail - serialized delusions
mircea_popescu: !up ansc
mircea_popescu: ;;google romanian dicelist
gribble: Romanian Dicelist pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/romanian-dicelist>; Climax pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/climax>; On Making High-Entropy Paper Wallets | When Bitcoin Met Pete: <http://bitcoinpete.com/2014/03/14/on-making-high-entropy-bitcoin-paper-wallets/>
mircea_popescu: i really recommend that thing. fucking special characters rock for the purpose.
jurov: !up Vexual
Vexual: hehe
jurov: !down Vexual
jurov: hehe
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
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BingoBoingo: Bash hasn't updated in a while... is it on Mats_cd03's no poop pills?
mircea_popescu: wasn't jurov modded ?
mircea_popescu: lazyboi!
jurov: !down mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: you tryin' to go down on me ?
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mircea_popescu: why's that guy not in here ?
mircea_popescu: someone invite him
mircea_popescu: "Due to the fake account troll below this post has been moved." ahahaha
mircea_popescu: ;;rated fluffypony
gribble: You rated user fluffypony on Mon May 26 08:18:51 2014, with a rating of 1, and supplied these additional notes: I don't know him but his wife sends me selfies..
mircea_popescu: ;;rate fluffypony 2 Businessman that now owes me a steak.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating for user fluffypony has changed from 1 to 2.
ansc: mp: what are your thoughts on icbit.se ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google trilema icbit.se
gribble: Icbit.se, the bucket shop pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2012/icbitse-the-bucket-shop/>; Security Comparison of Bitcoin-Denominated Instruments ... - Trilema: <http://trilema.com/2012/security-comparison-of-bitcoin-denominated-instruments-exchanges/>; Bitcoin pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/bitcoin/>
mircea_popescu: that's a year or two old by now. perhaps things changed. not sure why they would have.
mircea_popescu: ahahaah that thread just gives and gives and gives.
mircea_popescu: should be fucking framed. " Are you finished? Your wrong.", trhen guy goes back and edits it once it's pointed out
ansc: interesting piece. from that perspective, nothing has changed. no need to update. thank you for the link.
mircea_popescu: the boon #bitcoin-assets bestows upon they who come seeking wisdom is great indeed.
ansc: haha right. i must say i do agree.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony what's the xxxprofit story ?
atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 250k@160 500k@151 5k@150
fluffypony: the dude seems like a reasonable guy, he's very open about that and the appliance thing being fiat businesses, but I think he's struggling to find anyone around him willing to invest because, hey, porn site
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 160 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 7k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 157
Vexual: link?
fluffypony: I told him to get on here and get in the WoT as it'll help with future ventures
punkman: https://icbit.se/node/69 always in beta (TM)
assbot: Price Calculation Fix | ICBIT - Bitcoin Exchange and Futures Market
mircea_popescu: what, i love pron sites. heck, im STILL trying to get in touch with that pleasantly uninhibited chick from reddit.
mircea_popescu: whatver her namne was
gribble: I currently have notes waiting for agentx24, anarkitty, bakinat, buanzo, EricNakamoto, fbastage, frankenmint, Immukization, MurphyLawn, newyorkadam, nubbins, nubbins`i, organofcorti, Phinnaeus, plezoh, ryepdx, sic_nic, starsoccer9, ThickasTheives, unbalanced, and weenfan.
Vexual: lol lowecase me is gone
mircea_popescu: anarkitty. hey, this creates a new usecase for gribble. leave a note for osmeone, remember their name.
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mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo for what it's worth the dilemma is irreducible.
BingoBoingo: !up ansc
mircea_popescu: on one hand, the slipped up theory is convincing. on the other hand, the sort of scammer/internet fraudster depicted often tries to run a hosting business on the side
mircea_popescu: so it may be a clueless noob that got a GREAT webhosting offer
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ansc: ok anyway, it's about the fed imposing exit fees on bond funds.
mircea_popescu: not surprising.
mircea_popescu: actually... i think it was predicted here months ago :p
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: It is indeed astounding how the bad habits of both groups align this way
BingoBoingo: A and B are indistiguishable at x,y because they do the same thing at that point.
BingoBoingo: !up Vexual
BingoBoingo: I wonder if herbi will ever try his hand at ATC again
Vexual: didn't you take all his moneys?
BingoBoingo: Vexual: Sure, at the time, but noa his is busy with OMG acquisitions!!! in his most recent messages.
Mats_cd03: lol you're a douche
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: Douches are good, they are a force for cleansing
punkman: this curses stuff is enough to make me curse, but it's getting there: http://i.imgur.com/Jj0xIdi.png
fluffypony: punkman: looks great
Vexual: neato
BingoBoingo: Nice punkman
ansc: interesting that the odds are so much in favor of btc with brk/a trading @189k
punkman: now it tells me when I've already bet on a proposition and calculates the total along with hypothetical bets. Handy for topping up a bet
ansc: so one could calculate the implicit interest rate of btc based on these probabilities
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8142 @ 0.00082492 = 6.7165 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: ansc: Well, I think the tool being tried for the effort at large now is f.mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021664 BTC (Total: 433.28 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021703 BTC [-]
BingoBoingo: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.02517117 BTC; +0.16054045 BTC (+0.0940%) since last check 11h 38m 47s ago.
Naphex: BingoBoingo: we're going live with EUR/USD next week. will you be sticking to ron or going for EUR/USD?;p
punkman: did klye re-ipo?
BingoBoingo: punkman: We can all hope so
BingoBoingo: Naphex: It depends on how the book looks. I'll prolly announce the June or July statement if I've moved into that pairing or not, pending consultation with the general manager. I'll watch at for least weeks, emphasis plural, before making a decision.
BingoBoingo: Naphex: In BTC/Fiat I am exceedingly cautions
BingoBoingo: I inhere the properties of cautions
Naphex: probably best:p
BingoBoingo: Naphex: I'm trading by hand so any moves into fiat occur only when I'm awake and ready to put in a lower bid very soon after fulfillment. << As this in in the chan it is an official disclosure. Nao.. Good luck figuring out my sleep wake cycle... if there is a discernable one.
Naphex: i don't trade at all
BingoBoingo: I as mentioned before really didn't start until I beat herbi. Before I occasionally bet substituting exchanges for bookies.
Naphex: how are you likeing it doing it as a full time job?
Naphex: or not full time
BingoBoingo: I do this pretty much as I mention in the statements. It's a thing... I do it. I'll offer a range of more than most actual work the lowest performing civil servants do, but still less than nubbins` when he is in extreme focused art mode. (I estimate that to be between 0 and all of the hours in a week)
thestringpuller: what hppened to pity the pool?
thestringpuller: its down for me
thestringpuller: !up Vexual
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 430092.04 in 660 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.88
BingoBoingo: Really?
atcbot: 21 minutes and 6 seconds
thestringpuller: can you reach atc.pitythepool.com
BingoBoingo: I wouldn't know how. My fumbling attemps at mining never met going to a pool
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BingoBoingo: I think one of the most important moments of my development was when as a child I learned the trophie store is an actual place
cazalla: that's a memory i have too.. i use to play soccer, cherished the ribbons and trophies, figured out you could buy yourself the biggest and engrave anything for doing nothing killed the motivation to play
Naphex: cazalla: the trick to being pro is getting paid to play :)
Naphex: not trophies
Naphex: you can scam trophies on everything :P
cazalla: i actually played with a pro, he got dumped from the aussie team this world cup though
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cazalla: he bought me a he-man for my 7th birthday party
BingoBoingo: cazalla: I took away that anyone can have anything engraved and realized you can conceal success.
assbot: "Ce sa facem noi cu loveaua?". Moneda tiganeasca de pe internet pe care supusii lui Cioaba nici nu stiu sa o foloseasca
Naphex: a must see :))
Naphex: Romanian Gypsy king releases gypsy coin
Naphex: called LOV
Naphex: :))
Naphex: cryptocurrency :)
fluffypony: lol really?
fluffypony: that's hilarious
Naphex: Gypsy King said next month he has meeting with US VP
Naphex: and his gonna mention LOVECoin
Naphex: they want it recognized like baitcoin
Naphex: true story
Naphex: watch the video:P
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pankkake: "us"
Naphex: sry bad key :o
punkman: lolpatents
punkman: 'Amazon patents 1-click blockchain transaction'
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9061 @ 0.0008265 = 7.4889 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.0687777 = 1.7194 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 26 @ 0.069 = 1.794 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: Naphex ahahaha
mircea_popescu: nice punkman
mircea_popescu: <thestringpuller> what hppened to pity the pool? << ddos wars raging
assbot: Introducing the D. series pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: all sorts of arbitrages suddenly open
ThickAsThieves: [04:54] <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves so is atc taking over the ltc role ? /// well it *should* take over the role of all other coins of no distinction
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7300 @ 0.0008265 = 6.0335 BTC [+]
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> ThickAsThieves you need a comment permalink ///hrm, i'm not sure how to enable such ... ?
ThickAsThieves: <+mircea_popescu> incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? /// gold digger, groupie, slut -- i'm not sure proper word exists, not that this is even a common thing
ThickAsThieves: <gribble> Sent 1 week, 0 days, 11 hours, and 38 minutes ago: <BingoBoingo> Altcoin is holding me back. /// hehe, how can i help?
assbot: U.S. Patent office cancels Redskins trademark registration, says name is disparaging - The Washington Post
bitcoinpete: chetty speaking of bad words: he/she
assbot: Vancouver School Board’s genderless pronouns xe, xem, xyr not likely to stick, if history is any indication | National Post
nubbins`: "a woman in her 20s that spends her life"
thestringpuller: nubbins`: do you have a tracking number for the shirt btw?
nubbins`: chetty: cue the "counterfeit" redskins jerseys / memorabilia
nubbins`: thestringpuller: sorry, was waiting a couple days to see if more orders came in. shirt's getting printed today. tracking is too costly, most people opt out
nubbins`: you can add it if you like tho, i think it's around an extra $10
thestringpuller: we can discuss, i like tracking
nubbins`: $20 shipping for $15 shirt :D
nubbins`: oh and hey, did you say you wanted the #b-a / freenode text on the back?
chetty: re:redskins decision// que the counterfeit everything, trademarks just became a joke
nubbins`: ;;calc just became XD
gribble: Error: invalid syntax (<string>, line 1)
nubbins`: i mean, uh
nubbins`: just became XD
mike_c: who is 'rethink-your-strategy'? that is some skilled trolling.
mike_c: pankkake?
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pankkake: nubbins`: French would drive them mad
nubbins`: ils seraient rendus fous XD
nubbins`: "they" generally works but would sound odd in a group setting
assbot: #bitcoin-assets log
nubbins`: ah haha i'm a dickhead
pankkake: the worst is job names. some can be gendered, some not, and even the French don't know what to do of them
nubbins`: chanteuse!
bitcoinpete: lol just 25 minutes late to the party
bitcoinpete: i suppose you want the cake now too?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 144 @ 0.06580291 = 9.4756 BTC [-] {13}
assbot: North America's Bitcoin Roadshow Offers Free Car as Grand Prize
bitcoinpete: they're basically driving a kia across north america to "raise awareness"
bitcoinpete: then giving away the car or $10k worth of bitcoins
bitcoinpete: as fucking if someone takes the beat-up car instead of the coins
bitcoinpete: maybe mpex or bitbet should slap their logo on the side of this thing
bitcoinpete: i'm sure spots are for sale for an outrageous amount of money ;)
mike_c: ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds.
assbot: Network Tools: DNS,IP,Email
pankkake: the seeds I configured in the client are probably not working anymore
mike_c: they don't appear to be returning anything
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18100 @ 0.00082933 = 15.0109 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: mike_c: dnsseeds don't work that way
fluffypony: they're dynamic with a low TTL
mike_c: don't work what way?
fluffypony: not hard-coded
pankkake: not necessarily
fluffypony: it's a round-robin list that's dynamically refreshed on an ongoing basis
mike_c: well that sounds like a nice enhancement eventually
pankkake: I've done all my altcoins with simple A records I updated myself
pankkake: but yes that requires knowning about the nodes
mike_c: but right now we are at ground zero with seeding.
fluffypony: here's the source
assbot: sipa/bitcoin-seeder GitHub
fluffypony: not exactly rocket-science stuff
fluffypony: and easy to adapt
mike_c: so.. you're saying you'll run it ;)
mike_c: seeds.fluffypony.org
fluffypony: if someone gets the source code working I'll gladly throw it on a box
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.065 = 1.105 BTC [-]
mike_c: core dev? any spare time to port to altcoin-seeder?
thestringpuller: ;;bc,stats
thestringpuller: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 607.11, Best ask: 608.95, Bid-ask spread: 1.84000, Last trade: 608.95, 24 hour volume: 8276.71700325, 24 hour low: 592.7, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.271648243
gribble: Current Blocks: 306507 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1940 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 2 hours, 3 minutes, and 25 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: None | Estimated Percent Change: None
punkman: that was a good pedicure, now I need a haircut
punkman: damn barber retired, gotta find a new one
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 206 @ 0.0289003 = 5.9535 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: punkman i hate it when that happens
nubbins`: i've been cutting my own hair for about 7 years now
nubbins`: sometimes it turns out terrible :D
Naphex: nubbins`: why would somebody cut their own hair?
nubbins`: what an odd question
nubbins`: why would anyone do anything for themselves?
punkman: it's one of those things you can't do very well on your own
Naphex: yes but why not just pay someone to do it
Naphex: you don't have to pay attention and maybe you get a sweet skull massage :)
punkman: Naphex, I cut them myself last couple of times, with a little help from the girl, since the barber is not around
punkman: my biggest problem is the shitty shampoo everyone has
mircea_popescu: nubbins` sucks his own cock, eats his own cooking, he's a solipsist.
punkman: and they use too much of it too
Naphex: :))
asciilifeform: i know plenty of people who cut their own hair.
asciilifeform: usually with electric razor.
Naphex: anything with electric razor or bald doesn't count:P
mircea_popescu: Naphex wears a pompadour.
mircea_popescu: I SEEN IT
chetty: we are on to hair cuts? what happened to the fingernail polish, ladies?
nubbins`: if i could suck my own cock i wouldn't be wasting my time on irc
fluffypony: nubbins`: you'd be on TV?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 22 @ 0.0289004 = 0.6358 BTC [+]
nubbins`: mp, i think that's not the first time you've called me that
mircea_popescu: what rly ?
nubbins`: maybe. not that surprising i guess
nubbins`: Naphex: i don't pay someone else to cut my hair for the same reason i don't pay someone else to cook my food
mircea_popescu: what, never ?
nubbins`: nah, just generally
nubbins`: me going to a barber for a haircut would make as much sense as going to a restaurant for a bowl of cereal
mircea_popescu: very small head ?
nubbins`: bike helmet says XXL
gribble: Nick 'thestringpuller', with hostmask 'thestringpuller!~leflor@99-39-97-12.lightspeed.tukrga.sbcglobal.net', is identified as user 'thestringpuller', with GPG key id 0FF2943DA179E169, key fingerprint 6ACE36E786F39A4ADC4506DE0FF2943DA179E169, and bitcoin address None
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mircea_popescu: check out graph. to teh moonz!
mircea_popescu: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306518 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1929 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 4 days, 8 hours, 19 minutes, and 45 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 15413140721.7 | Estimated Percent Change: 14.48876
Naphex: 18:24 <+nubbins`> i've been cutting my own hair for about 7 years now
Naphex: 18:24 -!- mjr_1 [~Thunderbi@190.105.171.186] has joined #bitcoin-assets
Naphex: 18:24 <+nubbins`> sometimes it turns out terrible :D
nubbins`: and then i can't even fix it because i throw out all my scissors and clippers when i'm done :(
nubbins`: unlike a barber shop, where you can come in the next day for a free tune-up if you don't like what they've done
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] [PAID] 27.09655160 BTC to 9`095 shares, 297928 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 30 @ 0.02033915 = 0.6102 BTC [-] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.69867315 BTC to 9`095 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 457 @ 0.01949056 = 8.9072 BTC [-] {13}
mircea_popescu: ;;seen korbman
gribble: korbman was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 15 weeks, 5 days, 22 hours, 32 minutes, and 46 seconds ago: <Korbman> or else I wouldn't be on here haha :P
Mats_cd03: chetty: nails in da coffin
mircea_popescu: https://bitcointa.lk/threads/dattank-mining-any-chip-any-hardware-any-currency.330080/page-4#post-7067314 << is this guy actually using the dot to represent scalars (ie, as opposed to vectors) or wtf notation is that
assbot: DatTank Mining: any chip, any hardware, any currency | Page 4 | Bitcointa.lk
mircea_popescu: first derivative ?
fluffypony: still a better post than Jimmothy's comment on GPG
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06329633 = 2.5319 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: no argument but im fucking curious, it makes no sense
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: with 30k usd profit, it is not too adventurous a guess that polimedia does not house mpex ?
mircea_popescu: course not
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6664 @ 0.00082981 = 5.5299 BTC [+] {2}
punkman: Fun fact: out of 10310 bitbets, only 313 have lost money betting on the winning side, and only 100 of those had a weight of 10k
punkman: *more than 10k
mircea_popescu: and total value lost ?
punkman: 1.55 BTC
mircea_popescu: heh. out of 10k.
punkman: pretty good
mircea_popescu: whoa uspo cancelled redskins trademark ?!
mircea_popescu: o look, south africa actually uses the ancient dce concept. nao i don't need to fumble trying to explain to people what domicile means anymoar! just reference south african law!
mircea_popescu: thank you internets
punkman: another tidbit: 52.3 % of bets picked the winning side, with total gain of 2644 BTC
mircea_popescu: total net gain ?
punkman: yes
mircea_popescu: interesting.
punkman: total amount in 9393 BTC, gain 2633 BTC
mircea_popescu: punkman you gonna collect all this in a blog post ?
punkman: it will be in the app
mircea_popescu: and what's average time ?
fluffypony: we're cool that way
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: I still use DCE when drawing up an MoU for a freelancer in another country
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31650 @ 0.00082842 = 26.2195 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: hard habit to break
mircea_popescu: i thought it was mostly forgotten as a legal term cca 1898 or something
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benkay: dce?
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mircea_popescu: anyway, imo the fiat approach is naive.
fluffypony: everyone seems to be doing it lately
fluffypony: valuing things entirely in fiat
fluffypony: and then almost as an afterthought "ohey, fundraising is in Bitcoin and so are dividend payments"
mircea_popescu: yeah, that's totally a good reason :D
mircea_popescu: what i mean is specifically this : that the construction of recourse and remedy on the infrastructure of fiat is not going to work.
mircea_popescu: if it were going to work, fiat-based intl merchants wouldn't have such a fucking headache.
mircea_popescu: consider the earlier case described by altucher.
mircea_popescu: why did "bill" and everyone else involved seem to think that once the 10mn is wired, that's it, the fraudster won ?
mircea_popescu: why, specifically because the fiat method does not work.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06899789 = 0.69 BTC [-]
fluffypony: I agree with that - it was more to show that personal liability is always an option on the fiat side (reckless trading etc.), so this idea that you can burn a registered company and walk away and start a new one is also flawed
fluffypony: because that's the other thing that seems to be big, especially on the forums
fluffypony: "I can show business registration papers so therefore"
mircea_popescu: depends if you make a business of it or not.
fluffypony: like registering a business in and of itself makes it flawless
mircea_popescu: if you do, you can. if you're random joe blow you can not, but then again this stuff is not for you anyway,
asciilifeform: burn a registered company and walk away and start a new one << interesting historical degenerate case: russia during lenin's 'NEP' - 20s - folks would close a firm immediately prior to tax day, open new one the day after with same assets
benkay: "CAN I HAVE BITCOINZ NOA?" << lol
mircea_popescu: so it's really a blind alley : those on whom it'd work are probably the same set that think "bitcoin is bad" or w/e
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and even so soviet tax collection was better than the tsar's.
asciilifeform: ('nep' was an experiment with limited 'backslide' into capitalism)
asciilifeform: result was a miniature preview of the 'roaring '90s'
mircea_popescu: which brings an interestin point.
punkman: mircea_popescu: average time from winning bet placement to resolution is 42 days
mircea_popescu: i wasn't watching at the time, but did ayone in the early 90s/late 80s say hey, lenin's nep previewed what'll happen here ?
mircea_popescu: punkman ty!
asciilifeform: oh sure they did
asciilifeform: plenty of folks knew exactly how it would roll.
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (2633 / 9393) ** (42/365)
gribble: 0.863856328733
fluffypony: docker breakout PoC
punkman: 9393 was only the winners' input btw
benkay: "don't run strange"
benkay: crapolades
benkay: accocraps
benkay: derpocalypse
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20500 @ 0.0008269 = 16.9515 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: all the good bits carefully censored out.
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assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// "- I suppose you’ve never learned of the law that protects people’s rights and propety…"
chetty: goes so nice with theft of redskins trademark
asciilifeform: as i understand, not quite stolen yet - just some of the bolts holding it down removed.
asciilifeform: there are still state-level trademarks, afaik
chetty: the states stand up so well to the feds these days
assbot: turdomatic - Imgur
asciilifeform: ^ choice turdlets
punkman: asciilifeform: what's that
asciilifeform: punkman: snippets from the new spiegel collection
chetty: asciilifeform, greping for ips? wish I had some time for funs
Naphex: mircea_popescu: lol http://fundatiabitcoin.ro/
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asciilifeform: Radu Georgescu << gecad ?
Naphex: yes
Naphex: or coinzone or whatever
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 90 @ 0.01979875 = 1.7819 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06550729 = 0.6551 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.06323412 = 1.5809 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17600 @ 0.00082375 = 14.498 BTC [-] {4}
mthreat: asciilifeform: that nsa-spiegel-snowden PDF is pretty interesting. It seems like Germany is basically part of the "five eyes" countries, which would make it "six eyes"
asciilifeform: mthreat: the bnd thing is old hat.
asciilifeform: muppet state.
asciilifeform: (not to be confused with 'puppet state')
benkay: <mircea_popescu> incidentally, what's the us black slang to denote a woman in her 20s that spends her life naked in the household of some local lord / trap star ? // video ho in the rap industry
benkay: punkman: that's lookin all right man
mike_c: yeah, very cool. when do we get to play with it?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4850 @ 0.00082603 = 4.0062 BTC [+]
davout: how does this guy get resolved if the auction is kept private? --> http://bitbet.us/bet/951/silk-road-coin-auction-extravaganza/
assbot: BitBet - Silk Road Coin Auction Extravaganza :: 1.39 B (58%) on Yes, 0.99 B (42%) on No | closing in 1 week 1 day| weight: 92`453 (100`000 to 1)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0635 = 2.8575 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.06349999 = 0.762 BTC [-] {3}
los_pantalones: does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ?
los_pantalones: i was always under the impression that they didn't have control of that
asciilifeform: los_pantalones: dpr might be sitting on a stake as we speak, coughing up the keys
los_pantalones: color me skeptical
mike_c: possiblity? SR coins can be sold now. DPR coins can't be sold until conviction.
mike_c: ianal
los_pantalones: yes, i think that is true
los_pantalones: but still only theoretically
fluffypony: that's the way I understood it too
los_pantalones: fluffypony you understood that was the process or that the feds do not have the private keys
los_pantalones: i thought i was crazy
fluffypony: they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench
fluffypony: Joe "The Plumber" Kazinsci will work his wrench magic on DPR
los_pantalones: ha, idk, i don't doubt they will try
los_pantalones: but if it comes AFTER the conviction
los_pantalones: why would he care
los_pantalones: "welcome to jail for life"
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: S.MPOE X.EUR
benkay: ;;later tell BingoBoingo herbi's back?
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: List of Possible Silk Road Bitcoin Bidders Allegedly Leaked by US Marshals
asciilifeform: 'Avarus, Inc. (“we”, “us”, “our”) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a “blank check” shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol!
trinque: chetty: amateurs
davout: the list is genuine
punkman: mike_c: fresh out of the oven https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py/src
assbot: abfg / bitbet.py / source / — Bitbucket
mike_c: nice
punkman: no it's 15kb of pure horror
kakobrekla: title = AttrMap(Filler(Text(['BITBET.PY', '\n', 'DELUXE EDITION'],align='center'),valign='middle'), 'banner') < WIN
kakobrekla: only amazing edition can top that
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
punkman: there's some work to get to AMAZING
punkman: why isn't the hashbang working, how do I linux?
mike_c: don't you need a space?
mike_c: #! /usr/whatever
mike_c: doesn't look like it, ignore me.
punkman: oops forgot chmod +x
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9350 @ 0.00082697 = 7.7322 BTC [+] {2}
nubbins`: nanotube, first name on the list
Naphex: so there is a list of bidders
Naphex: pretty interesting
Naphex: anyone did any intel on the bidders yet?
thestringpuller: nanotube is an associate professor
thestringpuller: never really knew his real name
Naphex: anyone got the full bcc?
los_pantalones: i think that was the full list
los_pantalones: don't think there were any bcc
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.06943859 = 1.2499 BTC [+] {2}
los_pantalones: !up 1337
FabianB: 1 != l
los_pantalones: !up 1337
chetty: !up l337
l337: oh, thanks chetty
chetty: yw
l337: why couldn't you do it, los_pantalones?
FabianB: because 1 != l
l337: ah, didn't notice that
assbot: People! US Dollars are not worth a fifth of a Bitcent. STOP SELLING! pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
l337: is MP pricing bitcoin @ $10k, did I get that right?
chetty: well he is making a point about not selling cheap if you got em to hold
chetty: I dont think we actually have very good price signals atm
bitstein: We don't.
l337: what would constitute a good price signal tho?
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punkman: clown-based backups
fluffypony: "Our backups were powered by Usagi"
fluffypony: I wish that was in there :(
assbot: Code Spaces Hosting Shutting Down After Attacker Deletes All Data - Slashdot
davout: los_pantalones Naphex i have 21 more e-mail addresses in mine
los_pantalones: oh, fo realz? why didn't they get dox'd with the rest ?
los_pantalones: and are you bidding or just asked them a question ?
los_pantalones: sorry, per'aps that was something i shouldn't have asked
chetty: davout, +1 spy skills
davout: there are a few addresses that have no associated name, a couple folks that lead to multiple google hits
davout: also no, i'm not bidding, and i didn't inquire
los_pantalones: oh, got it
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16541 @ 0.00082894 = 13.7115 BTC [+]
chetty: !up l337
FabianB: l337: if you lurk a few month you'll know better
l337: will do
FabianB: l337: if you don't look short-time you might realize it's not current fiat/btc price that matters
l337: I seem to know that already, it's the long-term value I am interested in
fluffypony: long-term I already know the price of Bitcoin
fluffypony: by the time we hit 2030
fluffypony: 1 Bitcoin will = 1 Bitcoin
fluffypony: you heard it here first
fluffypony: tell your kids
Mats_cd03: shit, nigga
fluffypony: Mats_cd03: I'm a regular prophet
fluffypony: ;;8ball will 1 Bitcoin = 1 Bitcoin by the time we hit 2030?
gribble: One would be wise to think so.
fluffypony: even gribble knows.
FabianB: too many miners don't
l337: it must be painful spending it once the dollar goes to shit
chetty: whats a dollar?
jurov: hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN?
mike_c: no settlement announcement yet
mike_c: i assume that means it will be capped.
FabianB: $depth X.IDIFF.JUN
empyex: FabianB: [X.IDIFF.JUN] Bids:
empyex: FabianB: [X.IDIFF.JUN] Asks: 4806 @ 0.01189900 100000 @ 0.01190000 1 @ 0.01200000
mike_c: dangerous trading on settlement day.
davout: chetty: "whats a dollar?" <<< just a letter away from a collar
fluffypony: chetty: it's like Bitcoin but centralised and it has a random annual inflation set by this centralised issuer. also no block reward, lame.
jurov: yes, it's frozen on coinbr and I would like to close it today, tmrw will be mostly afk
mike_c: mircea_popescu hasn't said anything
jurov: that's why i'm asking
mike_c: just highlighting him :)
jurov feels derpy nao
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gribble: The operation succeeded.
asciilifeform: ^ finally forced myself to read that book - not a fan. despite not really disagreeing with the arguments (to the extent the man bothered to make arguments)
asciilifeform: it is very reminiscent of the 'atheism books' one finds in u.s. shops. if you were never a christian, they're a total snore.
asciilifeform: herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag?
jurov: ;;calc 4250217919*2.9
gribble: 12325631965.1
jurov: def capped
mike_c: i would hope so. diff flipped on the 18th though.
jurov: did it? lol
mike_c: but since it hasn't been announced yet, i assume capped.
mike_c: (and i may or may not be talking my book here)
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fluffypony: "If you are on my investors mailing list this is the email number. Please cross check.
fluffypony: To confirm email please match numbers.
fluffypony: Private investor email #134252"
fluffypony: who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz
mike_c: if only there were a way to verify who wrote an email..
fluffypony: mike_c: I know
punkman: yo dawg I heard u like difficulty: "The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y. "
fluffypony: it would be a marvellous invention
assbot: How to Disincentivize Large Bitcoin Mining Pools
fluffypony: someone should add that
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9800 @ 0.00082643 = 8.099 BTC [-]
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dignork: punkman: this proposition does not solve anything really. gigahash will run his private servers to solve the second puzzle, happily keeping 99% of hashing power.
punkman: I'm sure it's braindamaged
punkman: too long, didn't read
dignork: tl;dr version: we add another puzzle with controllable difficulty, which pool will have to solve, but it uses privkey, so he won't outsource it.
punkman: ah thx ;)
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mircea_popescu: <punkman> 9393 was only the winners' input btw << well yes.
mircea_popescu: * chetty thinks MP has been reading tea leaves again// << the funny thingbeing... i don't even drink that much tea :D
mircea_popescu: <asciilifeform> ^ choice turdlets << ahahaha the ips are the lulzy part.
mircea_popescu: <Naphex> tre' sa fie si puletii nostri in rind cu puletii lor, nu se poa'.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.065 = 0.91 BTC [-]
Naphex: mircea_popescu: omu numa prostii observa si invata vad ca
Naphex: :)
Naphex: at some point maybe people will wise up and stop comming into bitcoin like its hipster web3.0
mircea_popescu: ok so believe it or not, trilema credits just had its first hash collision. two guys with very reasonable emails + their ips hash as the same thing. who knew.
Naphex: the cookie hashing scheme seemed a bit lacking
mircea_popescu: Naphex not gonna happen. remember patriciu thinking he's going to be rich by copying berlusconi (adevarul),
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8100 @ 0.00082578 = 6.6888 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: or that sad sad mic.ro debacle ?
mircea_popescu: ;;google moartea ca o veste buna
gribble: Octombrie 2010 pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/2010/10>; Lifespiel pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.: <http://trilema.com/category/lifespiel/>; La mormantul lui ARSENIE BOCA. Parintele a lasat cu limba de ...: <http://intamplarisavante.wordpress.com/2010/11/28/la-mormantul-lui-arsenie-boca-parintele-a-lasat-cu-limba-de-moarte-ca-nimeni-sa-nu- (1 more message)
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mircea_popescu: that should prolly be in english
Naphex: doubt it would sound that good in english
Naphex: romanian has a good way of adding feeling into writing :)
mircea_popescu: i guess so.
mircea_popescu: los_pantalones: does anyone know if the us govt has control the private keys on the silk road wallets ? << they claim they do.
mircea_popescu: sort -of, kinda.
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: they don't have the keys (at least not that they've admitted to), but once they have them they can beat the keys out of him with a wrench << this is a dubious proposition at best.
mircea_popescu: the difference between us being, of course, that i've had occasion to beat things out of people.
TheNewDeal: MP, i thought the US has the wallets, but they do not have the password to unencrypt
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Naphex: here is a question, will USMS send the bitcoin to the winer or give him private keys/paper wallet?:)
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal right.
TheNewDeal: surprised he didn't have it backed up anywhere?
TheNewDeal: I am surprised *
mircea_popescu: they don't have the EXCLUSIVE now do they
mircea_popescu: info wants to be free.
mircea_popescu: for all the usg knows, we all have a copy, and the keys, and are sitting here lolling at their punk ass.
TheNewDeal: what do you mean exclusive, like the sole copy?
mircea_popescu: punkman: no it's 15kb of pure horror << lol make it longer!
mircea_popescu: btw, if the usms manages to get SCAMMED out of the sale...
fluffypony: needs moar whitespace!
mircea_popescu: o boy. that'll be the lol of all time.
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13013 @ 0.00082547 = 10.7418 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: thestringpuller: never really knew his real name << http://trilema.com/2011/fetele-bitcoin-ului-episodul-iii/ like.
assbot: Fetele bitcoin-ului, episodul III pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: usms manages to get SCAMMED << had urge to bet on this, immediately after the press release. then understood that probably 'badBet.'
mircea_popescu: gotta read trilemaz.
mircea_popescu: punkman: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7909791 << clearly usagi has a future.
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mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: shit, nigga << my words exactly :D
Naphex: mircea_popescu: was that interview in romanian or translated?
TheNewDeal: 3 year sponsorship... dman
mircea_popescu: translated. nanotube doesn't yet speak it
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: So 3-10 million burned
mircea_popescu: o hey, less than neobee
TheNewDeal: maybe even less
mircea_popescu: course, cyprus advertising is kinda useless
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo 2.5ish afaik
mircea_popescu: jurov: hi all, any news around X.IDIFF.JUN? << was announced.
mircea_popescu: mike_c ^
mike_c: i saw. wise decision.
BingoBoingo: 2.5 ish is stil close to 10% of their last fundraising round
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: herr taleb alternates between ruminating on his personal sense of brilliance and excellent pedigree, and... punching a boxer's bag. how much fun to watch a man punch a bag? << kinda why i wanted him to come here.
mircea_popescu: it's my estimation that he's like a russian hound running with pudels,
mircea_popescu: which is the worst thing that can happen to the hound. the poodles... well... what do they care.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo btw, do you know about how much a round COSTS ?
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> i saw. wise decision. << haha why, did it make you moneyz ?
mike_c: it might have :)
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: No, but I assume it costs a lot of sweat and treasure... and equity
mircea_popescu: fluffypony: who needs gee pee gee when you have sekrit kodez on forumz << epic lol
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it costs money.
mircea_popescu: you gotta pay all sorts of people, and generally upfront fees.
mircea_popescu: this is why corps that blow a round and surivive are so rar.
mircea_popescu: also exactly where the vc wants them : once they're in the ring they pretty much gotta close, no matter what the termsheet.
mircea_popescu: the other side of course has no such constraints.
mircea_popescu: "Confirmado: no hay precio para el dólar. Nadie vende, solo compran a $ 12.30".
TheNewDeal: called that xdiff june was underrated
mircea_popescu: the peso looks well in trouble lol
TheNewDeal: which peso? so many
mircea_popescu: argentine
mircea_popescu: this country is getting so fucken sweet...
benkay: lol except for the machinery
benkay: how on earth are you supposed to run a machine shop when they hold your mills at the border?
mircea_popescu: "Overall, it provides a gentle fix to the recent GHash fiasco"
mircea_popescu: i guess scammers and academics will never stfu are they
benkay: seriously mircea_popescu how can one have a good time without CNC machinery?
mircea_popescu: why without ?
benkay: how to get a big-boy mill into ars?
mircea_popescu: The header is signed with the coinbase transaction's private key, and the hash (SHA256(SIG(header, privkey))) of that signature is smaller than a second difficulty parameter Y.
mircea_popescu: how the fuck can current miners preserve ths investment lmao
mircea_popescu: benkay you import it, like anything else ?
benkay: except that it gets stopped at the border.
mircea_popescu: "This mechanism is easy to devise following a community discussion that establishes the principles"
mircea_popescu: holy hell already.
mircea_popescu: benkay who told you this ? and why ?
mircea_popescu: anyway, gotta broadway nao. laters.
benkay: some argentinian. to keep me from doing things?
TheNewDeal: you can't import cnc equipment into argentina?
benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border.
TheNewDeal: who's going to run a cnc shop? I work on cnc equipment at the moment
benkay: but i'd just looooooove to plop down 600k to test the theory.
benkay: it's on the list of things to buy, TheNewDeal .
TheNewDeal: we could import it in parts and then bujild it
benkay: hue
assbot: US Marshall Accidentally Reply-Alls Anonymous Bitcoin Auction Bidders In Email Fiasco | TechCrunch
TheNewDeal: noooo way
TheNewDeal: oh that's lame, they showed the email with blacked out names
dignork: TheNewDeal: dunno who blacked the names, somebody got the full list though
TheNewDeal: techcrunch did
dignork: usms later said that these are not bidders, just people that where asking for clarifications
TheNewDeal: or at least that is what the article claims
TheNewDeal: in other news, "US Marshal only spelled with one L"
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5136 @ 0.00082459 = 4.2351 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: benkay: i hear they'll let your machine through if you bring it as... carry-on baggage
TheNewDeal: good luck with that
TheNewDeal: you're asking for many questions from people who will be very suspicious and will not understand your answers
asciilifeform carried a fat oscilloscope and ominous-looking crate with sample boards through u.s, german, romanian customs; nobody blinked an eye
asciilifeform: i suppose if your cargo looks immediately valuable, you might have problems.
TheNewDeal: thats ridiculous
TheNewDeal: o-scope was phat though
jurov: you should have painted it as doomsday device
TheNewDeal: nuclear warning
asciilifeform: take analog scope, glue fins.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.068 = 3.468 BTC [+] {2}
TheNewDeal: how expensive is an analog scope?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: if you make the right friends - free.
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: if you want a new unit with reasonable bandwidth - a few $K.
TheNewDeal: thats what I was seeing when I looked it up. quite amazed
asciilifeform: it'll put you over the weight limit for most airlines, though.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06987478 = 0.6987 BTC [+]
TheNewDeal: 50 pounds?!?
TheNewDeal: whaaaaat
asciilifeform: varies.
TheNewDeal: thats ridiculous
asciilifeform: analogue scope has its virtues. as i understand, most tech types own both kinds.
TheNewDeal: what do they have in university labs? I always assumed those ones were very inexpensive
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: usually chinese digital scopes, like mine
TheNewDeal: ahhhh
asciilifeform: depends on the uni
TheNewDeal: of course
asciilifeform: mine must've had a good payola year, because they had costly hp units
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TheNewDeal: ascii why did you say that buproprion is useless?
asciilifeform: TheNewDeal: useless is perhaps wrong word
asciilifeform: pharmacologically weak, like 'nonalcoholic' beer, rather.
asciilifeform: you can get 'real' dopamine reuptake inhibitors - but in dark alley, not pharmacy.
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BingoBoingo: I'm telling you that cholorine atom on the ring is the only thing holding it back from greatness and success in the back alley
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: snip it, add a methyl, ---> methcathinone
asciilifeform: (brief career as antidepressant in ussr)
TheNewDeal: what is the way to rate a dopamine reuptake inhibitor
asciilifeform: now a kitchen favourite in usa
asciilifeform: *snip methyl
BingoBoingo: It's really amazing how many catecholemine affecting drugs are merely the base chemical with various things snipped or tacked on...
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asciilifeform: http://imgur.com/JlsaEDI << drug for ThePoor (tm)
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TheNewDeal: you two are ridiculous
jurov: dudes and gals, you were really in bashful mood recently
jurov: 22 quotes added
Naphex: so.. iphone with windows ui, got it
Naphex: lousy name for a product though, fire phone
mike_c: i think amazon runs custom droid builds
jurov: !up justlurking
jurov: !up dignork
punkman: but jurov he only wanted to lurk
justlurking: thanks jurov; I'm here pre-Yeshiva
BingoBoingo: justlurking: Another one of Pete's jews?
benkay: lol
BingoBoingo: justlurking: You could do the thing I did, pick a silly name and then later find out you are stuck with it.
justlurking: probably?
benkay: that will definitely happen.
benkay: pick a name you like and use it.
justlurking: yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete
TheNewDeal: I was actually allowed to change my name :D
mike_c: tredos something something?
BingoBoingo: !up justlurking
BingoBoingo: ;;google manul
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 25600 @ 0.00082303 = 21.0696 BTC [-] {5}
TheNewDeal: so I was just reading about the sentencing of Sabu. does anyone know the first time a judge mandated a keylogger in the USSA?
BingoBoingo: That we know of...
TheNewDeal: what?
TheNewDeal: I was asking what was the first time you heard of that
BingoBoingo: The first time a keylogger was mandated may have come from one of those seekrit courts
BingoBoingo: You know like the ones that order those drone strikes
TheNewDeal: not really. never heard of a court mandated drone strike
BingoBoingo: Well, Obama's a lawyer so he just kind of holds these things himself
BingoBoingo: It's why BitBet is a better court
TheNewDeal: reading about it as we speak
TheNewDeal: manul!?
moiety: TheNewDeal: yeah i get a note when manul is mentioned so i just returned a picture.... like a manual manul bot, if you will :D
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TheNewDeal: bingoboingo, that we weren't able to strike a deal on the difficulty had little to do with wording. More to do with you placing your bet later than I trying to sell my Yes bets
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Well, it was a simple disagreement in pricing. Particularly how to price these things. We both disagree on how to do it.
TheNewDeal: I think it's rather trivial to price them, but finding something that would make sense financially between the two of us was the difficult task
BingoBoingo: Well, there's also the problem whereing I lack the experience and reputation to feel comfortable selling a synthetic bet.
TheNewDeal: uncomfortable, it is *yoda voice*
BingoBoingo: Maybe if I MM'd MPOE options I'd feel comfortable offering a synthetic, but as a person who MM's ATC...
atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151
BingoBoingo: Even though the circumstances in which the actual underlying couldn't cover the synthetic would have been exceedingly unlikely... Trading on an artificial weight would have set a bad precedent.
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 161 Ask: 201 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 37k High: 235 Low: 150 VWAP: 160
TheNewDeal: well you did offer the buyer (mike_c was it?) a discount on the price
TheNewDeal: which is essentially the same thing
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: Sure I offered a discount, and I tried offering you the same as well. A discount and a synthetic weight though are very different animals.
TheNewDeal: depending on the amount being purchased though
TheNewDeal: if you originally bet 1 btc, you could "get away with" selling .5 btc at double the timeweight
TheNewDeal: neglecting the 1% fee...
BingoBoingo: "get away with" at the cost of setting a horrible precedent
asciilifeform: sabu sentenced to keylogger << 2015: public urinator sentenced to toiletcam
TheNewDeal: hahahaha
BingoBoingo: !up Pierre_Rochard
punkman: ;;view
gribble: #20792 Wed Jun 18 20:53:44 2014 punkman SELL 1.0 hour of tech support @ 0.02 BTC (Support for bitbet.py (https://bitbucket.org/abfg/bitbet.py) , Minor feature requests accommodated. While supplies last.)
punkman: hurr hurr
TheNewDeal: tech support
TheNewDeal: can you expand
punkman: getting it installed, usage, etc
TheNewDeal: did you develop it?
punkman: in a hurry
TheNewDeal: might have to hit you up with that later
TheNewDeal: ;;rate punkman 0 bitbet.py developer, selling support
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TheNewDeal: whaaat
TheNewDeal: haven't you heard of neutral gribble?
BingoBoingo: ;;rate punkman 1 gambling software
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TheNewDeal: ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet.py developer, selling support
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punkman: TheNewDeal: here's how it looks now: http://i.imgur.com/6mwsor1.png
TheNewDeal: yah I think bingoboingo was showing me outputs the other day
BingoBoingo: punkman: is this a whole new Bitbet.py
punkman: BingoBoingo: nothing to do with that old bitbets.py
BingoBoingo: punkman: Maybe give it a new name then...
BingoBoingo: TheNewDeal: I used the original
punkman: suggestions welcome, but levenshtein distance of 1 is good enough for me :P
TheNewDeal: here's a potential suggestion to ponder, we can talk about it more if I get back at you. Placing future bets to see how the pot changes
punkman: that's what it does
TheNewDeal: oh rery
TheNewDeal: it doesn't analyze only the current list of bets to date?
BingoBoingo: That's kinda the whole point of these tools
BingoBoingo: adding hypothetical future and past bets
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punkman: the "*me" bet in the screenshot is a hypothetical bet
TheNewDeal: ridiculous
moiety: i watched this program called "What Happens in Kavos" and it was all people like that. broken legs, ribs, noses but so wasted they either don't notice or don't feel it enough to do anything about it
BingoBoingo: Well, the right combinations of lights and sounds can be as dirorienting as the drugs
punkman: moiety: yeah that seems to be a common theme where brits go to vacation
moiety: so silly, why pay to get broken
BingoBoingo: Sometimes the fun in an activity comes from the potential for breaking, and the times people break reinforce the excitement.
asciilifeform: ;;google bruce ivings
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asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: ^ related
asciilifeform: ^ case of 'staple gun'-style 'suicide'
asciilifeform: scandal was pinned on the corpse. case closed.
BingoBoingo: Yeah. Hatfill's current plans are interesting though now that he has extracted money from the gasenwagen's cheerleaders
decimation: asciilifeform: have you seen this home-spun open source Verilog tool: http://www.clifford.at/yosys/
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BingoBoingo: Antrax was an absolutely stupid thing to try weaponizing while https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burkholderia_pseudomallei exists
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decimation: supposed these people will make you a chip for ~$500 https://www.efabless.com/ - long on hype and short on details though
asciilifeform: decimation: these are a dime a dozen. not very useful for fpga work, as the latter have proprietary pieces that, if you do not use, leave you with a monstrously bloated design that fits nowhere.
kakobrekla: ;;rate punkman 1 bitbet cli dev
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asciilifeform: decimation: $500 << do they also have a bridge we can buy ?
decimation: yeah the problem is that even if you could get a chip made for free, the cost of reasonable tools to make reasonable designs are prohibative
asciilifeform: decimation: not really. can use, e.g. 'magic'
BingoBoingo: I kind of wonder what an asynchronous ASIC design would do to BTC mining
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: only one way to find out
decimation: oh yeah I forgot that guy - I think you sent the link before. I was amused by the Tcl
decimation: http://www.planetanalog.com/author.asp?section_id=519 "MK: The cost is going to be dependent on the process technology, but let's assume it can be in 0.35 or 0.18. Most designs are probably going to be done for about $500 plus silicon costs which could be in the hundreds or low thousands of dollars. You will get your chips in about eight to ten weeks."
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BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Of course. It would either be the last great way to profit from mining or an loss, magnitude to be determined
decimation: ancient process of course, but still would be very useful if true
asciilifeform: decimation: crucial details missing. e.g. turnaround, yield (% working), whether they package the dies
asciilifeform: (if unpackaged - have fun welding the gold whiskers on yourself)
BingoBoingo: "Hatfill looked up, holding his cash and smiling, and said, “At least let John Ashcroft pay for it.”"
asciilifeform: likewise, your design will go straight to the chicoms, who will produce it at their pleasure.
decimation: heh yeah unpackaged would be pretty useless
BingoBoingo: In about 12 hours I have an interview for a job in the bezzel economy, so pumped
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: you've been starving all this time?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not starving, scraping. Live poor nao to live rich later.
BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire
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asciilifeform: it's a great essay, but ought to have been named 'how to die to be rich'
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BingoBoingo: Eh, details
asciilifeform: also ignores certain unpleasant realities:
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decimation: Everyone at our school knows who Dylan is. He comes and goes to lessons as he pleases, habitually swears at teachers, and is an accomplished playground bully. ... I was surprised to hear Dylan?s name announced. He had collected one of the largest amounts of ?reward stickers? in year seven, and was due to collect a prize. Many teachers, it turned out, had taken to bribing him with these stickers in a desperate attempt to appease his
decimation: unruliness.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: It turns out that the cure to an American "Liberal Arts" education is resenting the part where you live on dry noodles.
asciilifeform: plenty of engineers living on noodles.
asciilifeform: no longer monopoly of starving artists.
decimation: that kanzure dude is nuts
BingoBoingo: You also learn the color of the dandelion greens at their best if you are smart.
decimation: all the numbers I've see from the bay area companies show that senior engineers are making maybe $150k
decimation: when a 'house' costs 700-1000k, that's wave slavery
asciilifeform: decimation: kanzure is a friend of a good chum of mine. as i understand, he made 'fuck you money' in one of the last 'dotcom' bubbles and wanders around the world.
decimation: that's cool, but that's nothing to do with engineering salaries
decimation: Of course, there is a "power law" effect in these kinds of things - only the best guys make bank, the rest deminish exponentially
asciilifeform: i don't know him well. if you want to dispute his info, wake him up (he does - did? lurk here)
asciilifeform: ;;google tournament market
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asciilifeform: 1st link
asciilifeform: see also greenspun.
asciilifeform: what a google grunt is paid is entirely uninteresting except in light of knowing what he pays to live
decimation: yeah, I was reading greenspun last night and I thought of you - his post about the low quality of rentals available to citizens
BingoBoingo: If I get this bezzel job I don't plan to pay more than $300.month to rent
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asciilifeform: 'One of various ways of organizing work that economists have identified, a tournament market "offers participants the chance of winning a big prize--an independent research career, tenure, a named chair, scientific renown, awards--through competition," writes Richard Freeman and co-authors. Tournament markets amplify "small differences in productivity into large differences in recognition and reward," Freeman an
asciilifeform: d co-authors continue. Academic science is only one such market; other familiar examples include rock music, professional sports, and national politics. '
asciilifeform: i often say to people, that they should calculate their salary per minute of doing-something-they'd-rather-not
asciilifeform: e.g. if you have to drive a car to the plant, start the 'clock' from when you turn the ignition key
asciilifeform: and stop it when you come home and take off your shoes
asciilifeform: likewise, subtract any money you are forced to spend (e.g. google man must pay $50k/yr, say, to live within 2 hrs. drive of the plant) from your salary.
asciilifeform: then see who is rich, who is a pauper
decimation: people don't want to do those calculations - they know the truth and they don't want to face it
asciilifeform: there's a reason, for example, why e.g. a spammer will 'work 16 hours a day to make money while he sleeps'
asciilifeform: no car, no boss, no $1000 suits, no clock, etc
asciilifeform: mr. spam can live in a roach-infested hovel and actually keep 90% of his bread crumbs
asciilifeform: mr. google - not so much
BingoBoingo: In the location I'm looking at $3.2 k/year rents a ten minute walk from work, no roomates, because they are horrible for opsec
decimation: what I would like an "economist" to explain to me is why we subject science and engineering to such high competition but professions like collecting welfare, teaching k-12, gov't employee, etc are subject to no pressure whatsoever
decimation: why do those people deserve to be sheltered from the harshness of reality?
asciilifeform: decimation: the pressure is moved to the queue in front of the pig trough
asciilifeform: decimation: bureaucrats are paid quite little if you perform my calculation
asciilifeform: at least where i live
decimation: yeah that's definitely true, even the top of the pile
asciilifeform: welfare folks 'pay' by having to live in specially designated concentration camps
decimation: hell Obama only makes $400k
decimation: teachers "pay" by being unable to actually practice their craft (see my above link)
Mats_cd03: wtf 3200/yr
asciilifeform: alaska?
Mats_cd03: are you living in a fucking trap house
decimation: alaska is actually pretty expensive
decimation: n. dakota is cheap
asciilifeform: afaik folks get housed on company dime at drilling platform
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Dying college town. Competing against a shortage of broke grad students
BingoBoingo: Mats_cd03: These places exist in the middle of the US
Mats_cd03: i see
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decimation: Federal trademark law does not permit registration of trademarks that ?may disparage? individuals or groups or ?bring them into contempt or disrepute.?
mircea_popescu: but the thing is... this wasn't being registered.
mircea_popescu: it was registered *already*
asciilifeform: decimation: this is a more interesting event than appears at first. they just zapped 'stare decisis'
mircea_popescu: what law allows the office to randomly re-register trademarks ?
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform exactly.
asciilifeform: e.g. the authority of the past N years, when the trademark was legal - where is it now.
decimation: I thought it was illeagal for a bill of attainder
mircea_popescu: basically the us has no further guaranteed rights.
decimation: what's the difference between making a law condeming joe to death, vs a law that condemns the redskins trademark to death?
decimation: for arbitray reasons?
mircea_popescu: not to property (the so called process "in rem", eminent domain, a whole list)
asciilifeform: decimation: no law involved - in the usual sense
mircea_popescu: not to fair process
mircea_popescu: not to anything
BingoBoingo: It is amazing people can talk in this state www.ilga.gov/legislation/ilcs/ilcs4.asp?DocName=072000050HArt.+26.5&ActID=1876&ChapterID=53&SeqStart=74600000&SeqEnd=75300000
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mircea_popescu: decimation this wasn't a law, to begin with
mircea_popescu: the entire "attainder" thing is the result of internet fucktards opining on matters. i wouldn't repeat it.
decimation: yeah it's a civil case, as opposed to criminal
mircea_popescu: patents are an administrative matter.
decimation: oh yeah this isn't even a real court, just a commitee of government employees
decimation: well, derp derp who cares what the opinion of usg employees are
mircea_popescu: us citizens, as subjects of the usg.
decimation: so you often complain about the 'rule of law not men'
mircea_popescu: benkay: the word i got was that large, tech-heavy equipment gets stalled at the border. << anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled everywhgere.
mircea_popescu: this is because nobody can stand them.
decimation: in this case, derpy nobodies are ruling
decimation: irrespective of controlling laws
BingoBoingo: I'm still realling that the Bitpay bought one of the most expensive and lowest return forms of advertising.
mircea_popescu: decimation the problem with trying to promote a system of "laws not men" is that ONLY men can rule. and so under the guise of "laws not men" that keeps actual men away
mircea_popescu: the cockless dickheads rule.
decimation: yeah, you could say that we are ruled by non-men, as opposed to men, because laws cannot rule anyone by themselves
asciilifeform: anything fucktarder muricans do gets stalled << whatever the reason - let's say benkay or i need to get a crate of strange through Ar door. no go, because passport is wrong color. or this is disinfo ?
mircea_popescu: TheNewDeal: noooo way ?<< yes way. these are the fuckwits that want to be involved as adults
mircea_popescu: instead of doing what i fucking tell them to do.
mircea_popescu: like the children they are.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform possibly no go, because you don;'t know how to ask.
mircea_popescu: much like, you want to pick up a chick. no go, because... passport the wrong color ? notrly.
BingoBoingo: Yeah they did
mircea_popescu: did bitpay pr, ever clever and professional, have anything to say yet ?
asciilifeform: don't know how to ask << makes a difference if this is a fixable condition (know who to pay off, etc) or more difficult (have the correct uncle)
mircea_popescu: for something like importing machinery, definitely the former.
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: I've been looking around slowly. Not found anything yet.
mircea_popescu: today in the news, pretend you're a corp, pretend you've got 30mn investment, fail to have any pr whatsoever.
mircea_popescu: how people can be this stupid still amazes me. i mean sure, forum derps, okay, they're all by themselves.
mircea_popescu: but by now...
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: consider benkay's point. if i have to wrap sample pcbs in benjamins to get them through customs, this ought to be considered a cost of doing business in Ar
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asciilifeform: doesn't look quite so cheap then, no?
BingoBoingo: Oh, coindesk nao hates assbot
mircea_popescu: lol attention required.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform what was looking cheap in the first place, or what were we saying ?
BingoBoingo: I like how Bitpay couldn't even sponsor a game in a stadium actually suited to the sport.
asciilifeform: Ar, india, etc. look cheap to the uninitiated.
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo it is not the place of start-ups to sponsor anyway
asciilifeform: until you move in and try to get, e.g. smt resistors shipped in from malaysia
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform sure, it's cheap. depends what you want.
asciilifeform: or pick'n'placers from russia
mircea_popescu: but if you want that, why the fuck would you not be in malaysia or russia.
asciilifeform: because not one of these actually contains everything you need for the production line
decimation: china/taiwan do
mircea_popescu: so what does argentina contain that you need for your production line ?
mircea_popescu: i keep trying to get this out for awhile nao
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: Not at all. I guess Imma have to blog.
asciilifeform: better question - what it doesn't contain.
asciilifeform: e.g. der wagen
mircea_popescu: and malaysia does ?!
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: In any worthwhile endeavor the highest cost belongs to becoming initiated
decimation: well, it certianly isn't down the street from hong kong
atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151
mircea_popescu: think strategically. argentina is a dead end. hong kong is a center. is your business suited for which exactly ?
mircea_popescu: dead ends are eminently defensible. centers are centers of trade for that reason
mircea_popescu: what are you building ?
asciilifeform: small electronic widgets.
decimation: there is a point to that. If you could become legally "untouchable" for a few $100k in bribes to the right people, that's of significant value
mircea_popescu: so then because of your dependency on azn manufacturers you conceivably want your business run there
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: ever do business with han chinese ?
mircea_popescu: not on their turf, anyway.
asciilifeform: if you've no 'guanxi', you're 'not in his WoT'
asciilifeform: ;;google guanxi
mircea_popescu: i can attest that when you can have their head, they're reasonable, fwtw.
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mircea_popescu: that i doubt very much.
mircea_popescu: i've yet to have a problem with getting in the wot.
mircea_popescu: then again, im the sort that learns the language and fucks local.
decimation: mircea, I suspect the sayings of don colacho would be an excellent way to brush up on spanish: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/
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mircea_popescu: but... it's in engliush ?!
asciilifeform: chinese 'WoT' (like in other asian nations) is very heavily tilted in direction of blood relation
asciilifeform: or at least marriage
decimation: the original text isn't. click on a link and see the original: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2011/02/2862.html
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform everytrhing has its exceptions. what do i care what the statistics are ?
asciilifeform: they'll do buisiness, yes. and at some point, your operation takes off, you find your factory nationalized.
asciilifeform: or otherwise 'have problems'
mircea_popescu: whoredom is heavily tilted in the direction of blondes, yet any girl i train can top any brothel she wants.
mircea_popescu: or maybe they do.
decimation: http://don-colacho.blogspot.com/2010/01/30.html When people stop fighting for the possession of private property, they will fight for the usufruct in collective property.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: i can't rightfully say china is 'immovable object.' if you care to try 'irresistible force' there, we'll watch, cheer.
mircea_popescu: everything's an immovable object for something or the other.
mircea_popescu: how did they end up run by the mongols ?
BingoBoingo: "unstoppable force" actually beats immovable object in practice
decimation: so even usg's hilarious inflation numbers are showing inflation http://www.reuters.com/article/2014/06/17/us-usa-economy-idUSKBN0ES1C620140617
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asciilifeform is forced to reluctantly love chinese - they're the only 'pepsi' we've got left.
BingoBoingo: Actually unstoppable forces decay within several generations
decimation: I wonder if this has to do with the sudden uptick in acquisitions by the bezzle masters
mircea_popescu: what, argentines are pepsi too.
mircea_popescu: (to add to the humour, in romanian "being pepsi" pretty much means being fucked up)
moiety: night all :]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: if you ever have time, consider writing a piece about Ar circa '98-'02
mircea_popescu: im really not that advanced just yet
asciilifeform: my (no means) expert understanding - they let themselves get arseraped by us banks
decimation: ascii why don't the russians get into electronics/computer manufacturing? have they managed to chase away the talent?
asciilifeform: decimation: start with the soviet mistake (circa mid-70s) of scrapping their own (interesting! e.g. trinary!) comp. research and deciding to copy western archs - e.g. pdp
asciilifeform: in order to run warez
asciilifeform: (western hardware was difficult to get - trade embargoed, had to go through shill companies)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform i don't quite see it. so far, they got 50 bn or so, not paying it back
mircea_popescu: seems they assraped the us banks to me.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: this is rather like supposing that russia (default of late 90s) raped us banks
decimation: the elite did, kind of
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform didn't it ?
asciilifeform: for some value of 'it'
mircea_popescu: decimation the country is the elite.
mircea_popescu: mobile vulgus has no patria.
asciilifeform: the objective - entirely non-monetary - ensure that russian industry gets sawn apart for metals - was achieved.
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform the russian industry, such as it was, was crap. it was going to get sold for scrap anyway.
mircea_popescu: now, its owners had the unmitigated idiocy of not keeping proper capital on hand.
decimation: yeah when you have a traubant factory that employs 50,000 people things are not going to work out well in the long run
mircea_popescu: so a bankruptcy was necessary
BingoBoingo: In a firesale I wonder if Iowa has more value as agriculture or uranium
asciilifeform: was crap << complicated. if you want sovereignty - gotta crank out the hardware, best as you can.
mircea_popescu: not true.
mircea_popescu: im a sovereign that doesn't even suck its own cock, how about that!
mircea_popescu: shouldn't even exist!!1
asciilifeform: lenin suggested that the west 'will sell you the rope to hang it with.' not sure if this can be meant literally - could russia buy working nukes from the targets?
mircea_popescu: dude as if russian industry = nukes in any sense.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Not the whole things, but lands were the scarce lives
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mircea_popescu: every single piece of automotive machinery, from cars to trains, airplanes and anything else, that uses too much fuel to be economically usable is either russian make or russian design
asciilifeform: a surprising fraction of soviet economy reduced to - obscenely inefficient method of producing sovereignty-enforcement hardware
mircea_popescu: fucking saratov fridges doing 4kw to slightly cool three galons
asciilifeform: 4kw fridge. that the germans, swedes, whoever, can't blackmail you with by withholding
asciilifeform: gotta understand the mentality.
mircea_popescu: i do understand it, but i am pointing out iot's not all that it's cracked up to be.
mircea_popescu: putin gets this, incidentally.
asciilifeform: it's a siege mentality, necessarily extreme
mircea_popescu: a siege mentality is not necessarily extreme.
mircea_popescu: it's lazily extrem
asciilifeform: sorta like the kind of fellow everyone must know, that got back from afghan and sleeps hugging his rifle, does nothing as hobby but clean and oil it, cycles the bolt at the slightest noise in the house
mircea_popescu: nothing wrong with owning a rifle, in good condition, and being ready and able to use it
asciilifeform: nothing.
mircea_popescu: however, that's not gonna make an omlet
asciilifeform: correct
asciilifeform: good to occasionally hug things that aren't the rifle, also
mircea_popescu: and so the ak-47 shaped spatulas, 18lbs of solid pig iron
mircea_popescu: are getting thrown away
mircea_popescu: because spatula is silicone
asciilifeform: from russian perspective - silicone that won't be there if the border closes
asciilifeform: pentium is great. but 'bk-0010' would've still been there.
mircea_popescu: dude do you see what sort of abused child grown up mentality is this ?
mircea_popescu: "i can't love you because what if you leave me"
asciilifeform doesn't live there now, but definitely gets it. if you grow up in ussr, '45 never really ends
asciilifeform: or, pessimistically, '41
assbot: 'Dying' Russia's Birth Rate Is Now Higher Than The United States' - Forbes
asciilifeform: trauma makes people - and cultures - pathologically conservative
asciilifeform wonders how applies to china, ought to ask the folks in the know
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform which is why im such a fan of things like pussy riot
asciilifeform: decimation: with our without dar al islam ?
mircea_popescu: the best thing for moscow today is if the rich kids started taking the girls nude on leashes on novskiwhateveritscalled
decimation: good point. "white america" definitely has a negative birth rate
asciilifeform: decimation: because last i checked, the entire place converts to tajikistan in <100yrs.
decimation: what about tartarstan
decimation: I guess they are pretty close to the Turkic Tajiks
mircea_popescu: you know these liniar projections never work.
decimation: sons of Khan
mircea_popescu: people were derping about how romania will be 90% gypsy by 20something in 1990.
mircea_popescu: it... still hasn't happened. the oppressed minority is still an oppressed minority.
decimation: mircea: re pussy riot: but ultimately they are tools of the western bezzle machine
mircea_popescu: they're too stupid to be the tools of anything.
mircea_popescu: at any rate, the notion that sensuality and the puritan caging thereof as displayed by the us (and uk before that) are in any way related...
mircea_popescu: purest historical accident. i can understand why us-ians would believe it, because they love to believe themselves relevant
mircea_popescu: but otherwise... lol.
decimation: I agree that the notions of puritanical modesty are hilarious. I was born in an old school Lutheran hospital (now closed) - my birth certificate's seal shows a doctor pulling a baby out of a vagina
decimation: somehow this was okay in Christianity 100 years ago but not today
mircea_popescu: decimation not what i meant. what i means was, the proposition that somehow girls naked in the street are tools of the us bezzle. it's ludicrous.
mircea_popescu: for all you know they're the tools of mp's world domination plans.
decimation: but they parrot and derp about equality, femenism, etc
mircea_popescu: sure. but nobody cares what they say, the only attraction is their nudity.
mircea_popescu: maybe some derps somewhere HOPE that they may embed their message this way, much like radio advertisers hope paying for the radio makes you buy coca cola
mircea_popescu: but the thing still is what it is : nude chicks in a badly abused, utterly frigid, compulsively conservatory society.
decimation: so it would seem that putin is also sending a message about women by caging them
mircea_popescu: putin has the disadvantage of being actually stuck ruling the thing
mircea_popescu: he has to do all sorts of stupid shit.
mircea_popescu: or who knows, maybe he's personally dumb on the score i guess.
decimation: well, he certainly want to encourage fertility, and sending the message that it's okay for russian women to aspire to childless eat pray love isn't the way to get there
assbot: Pussy Riot - Putin will teach you how to love / - YouTube
decimation: skip to 2:05 to watch Cossacks beat them
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06924233 = 0.7617 BTC [-]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: my understanding - fellow with a contract on his head should perhaps sleep with rifle. the one without contract - with girl. whether 4kw fridge, bk0010, etc. is batshit - or genius - depends on which box russia sits in
mircea_popescu: so which kind am i ?
asciilifeform: ask mircea_popescu
mircea_popescu: ok, what kind are you ?
mircea_popescu: what kind is antonoderpulous ? does he have a contract on his head ? twitter says so.
asciilifeform: the kind who 'dies just once'
mircea_popescu: no but i mean, gimme something actionable as per the plan you laid out above.
BingoBoingo: Seems the solution is to have enough girls to sleep with girl while girl guards door with rifle
mircea_popescu: can't hurt.
asciilifeform: going back to russia/industry: according to 'hardcore' russian folks, the west deprived the nation of crucial natural resource - one still abundant in, e.g. china. of course they aren't talking about lanthanides, but... girls who will birth half a dozen kids and work in factory without toilet breaks
mircea_popescu: decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers, is nao off to molest wife
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 20 @ 0.04639999 = 0.928 BTC [+] {8}
asciilifeform lol just got back from molestation
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform you'll have to explain this tro me so it makes sense
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform o, you're doing the same one ?! (know the joke ?)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: the two chaps with the toothbrush, aye
mircea_popescu: pussy riot gets $1bn to study mating habits across europe.
mircea_popescu: for this purpose, they sequester one woman and two men for a week, then interview them,
mircea_popescu: the english : well... we were never introduced, so we just read the newspapers all week. it was fuckign boring.
mircea_popescu: the french : oh, Leo, Lea, Elie
mircea_popescu: the russians : omg this was awful. all night long they took turns fucking me in all the holes
mircea_popescu: and all day long they held syndicate meetings to criticise me for being a whore
mircea_popescu: that was... rapid ?
decimation: "decimation got really hot an' bothered watching cussacks beat on lanky ukrainian teenagers" << not really my cup of tea, but relevant
decimation: my stupid vpn dropped me like a hot potato, thought conversation was over
mircea_popescu: pretty cool how it worked out lol
assbot: ClubOrlov: The Madness of President Putin
decimation: the thing I don't understand ascii is that it's clear that russia has the brainpower to make alternatives
decimation: even without all-night slave labor sv startup style
asciilifeform: decimation: go build a MOSFET with... brainpower
asciilifeform: industrial civilization doesn't get birthed from coffee shop (as discussed in one of mp's essays?)
asciilifeform: try mine uranium, tantalum, with brainpower
asciilifeform: get 50 rail cars of synthesis-grade nitric acid with brain.
decimation: This goes back to the warez - they seem like the answer to all your short term problems, but in the long run just get you hooked on the infrastructure
decimation: all of those things do require lots of brain power
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.22697248 = 2.0428 BTC [+]
decimation: but they also require getting humans to actually do the work
decimation: and... capital
asciilifeform: and 100 yrs. of infrastructure.
asciilifeform: japan jumped the gap - why? because they had the 'natural resource'
decimation: it's true that it's much easier to get nitric acid when the nitric acid factory has been pumping it out two states away for a few decades
asciilifeform: - that being, six generations of people willing to work into the grave for a cup of rice
decimation: the us had something like that a few decades ago, still coasting on its output
asciilifeform: let's take the liberty of abusing thermodynamics term, and say this is 'fuel'
asciilifeform: whereas u.s. (or moscow today) 'office plankton' is... ground state.
asciilifeform: fuel that's been burned.
asciilifeform: u.s. running on fumes.
asciilifeform: e.g. i can get pcbs made here. it just costs 35x what it does in shanghai.
asciilifeform: because american factory gurlz want toilet breaks, health care!, etc
decimation: When I was in Hawaii last week I thought about this w.r.t. Hawaii. They own one of the most strategic islands on earth
decimation: it could easily outsingapore singapore with its location. but it won't, because it is a combination of bezzle playground and indian reservation
asciilifeform: decimation: it's only strategic value is as 'unsinkable ship'
asciilifeform: otherwise it's a pisshole. (try finding an industrial vendor who will even ship there)
asciilifeform: if you could build a singapore there, that's another matter.
decimation: well, yes, today. but I would wager that if you exchanged the populations of hawaii and singapore, it wouldn't look that way for long
asciilifeform: not sure how long singapore will last as other than chinese colony after u.s. navy is unplugged
asciilifeform: ditto taiwan
decimation: on Maui there is a statue to Sun Yet-Sen in an obscure park: http://gohawaii.about.com/od/mauisights/ig/sun_yat_sen_park/
assbot: Sun Yat Sen Park, Upcountry Maui Photo Gallery
decimation: when visiting, I discovered that Sun Yat Sen went to the same school as... Obama
decimation: when the usians are trading golden yuan pieces in a few decades they will remember this bit of history
asciilifeform: decimation: the middle kingdom != la serenissima. they'll be buying rice with paper yuans.
assbot: D.BPAY last @0.00000000
mircea_popescu: that's basically how it's gonna look. welcoming questions as to the contract etc.
mircea_popescu: prolly starting to trade monday
asciilifeform: proving that one holds shares on fiat exchange might be energy-intensive
decimation: this is true. the amusing thing to me is that Obama rose with the new left under Maoism... and China today embraces (in action, not words) Chinese nationalism and rejects Mao
asciilifeform: (suddenly you're going over bezzlar paperwork with magnifying glass)
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform why'd that be required ?
asciilifeform: nm bad reading
asciilifeform dug in ancient engine amidst mosquito clouds, tired
decimation: I'm confused about who the counterparty is
decimation: I assume it's just you with your bitcoin bank right?
asciilifeform: mp has bank now?!
decimation: I'm using "bank" to mean "pile of bitcoin"
mircea_popescu: decimation actually im going to make a fund, so people can buy into it.
mircea_popescu: but otherwise, yes.
decimation: this is kind of a more open-ended version of your berkshire bet?
assbot: D.BTGO last @0.00000000
mircea_popescu: idem. if anyone wants to see more and they meet the criteria, let me know.
mircea_popescu: decimation not really. berkshire is not a shitstup
decimation: what happens if bitpay dissolves as an entity before a b or c happen?
decimation: shares go to zero value?
mircea_popescu: pretty much
decimation: I guess they are tickets to a show that never happened
mircea_popescu: something like that yea
asciilifeform: 'dead pool' ?
decimation: well, the seller of said tickets will be enriched ... :)
asciilifeform remembers 'fucked company'
decimation: still, to me it seems like you need to get a few of these to "fail" so you can build up a war chest as a credible counterparty
mircea_popescu: decimation why ?
Mats_cd03: how fucking ridiculous
asciilifeform: war chest is there, to everyone's satisfaction, i imagine
decimation: I like bitbet because it's extremely transparent that way
decimation: mats: what is rediculous?
mircea_popescu: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 604.34, Best ask: 605.46, Bid-ask spread: 1.12000, Last trade: 606.24, 24 hour volume: 5471.59645098, 24 hour low: 599.9, 24 hour high: 616.0, 24 hour vwap: 607.679332574
decimation: it's been racheting up slowly from 500
decimation: !down decimation
Mats_cd03: asks q then leaves while i type response
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