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mircea_popescu: nobody ever does anything because the idiots.
asciilifeform never once spoke to naggum, can't freud him
mircea_popescu: however! he still shoulda been more narcissistic.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07598939 = 0.152 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: can't help but suspect that he'dve turned up here if he still walked.
assbot: Erik Naggum - Welcome
asciilifeform: ^ his site. alive
asciilifeform: as he left it.
mircea_popescu: yea, prolly to bitch at kako
asciilifeform: naggum's best work, unfortunately (or...) is unpublished - still likely grinding away at - oil refineries, weather bureaus, dark halls of norwegian finance, etc...
assbot: Erik Naggum A Long, Painful History of Time
asciilifeform: ^ his longest published monograph, afaik
[]bot: Bet created: "Romelu Lukaku to win 2014 World Cup's Best Young Player" http://bitbet.us/bet/940/
assbot: Erik Naggum on Atlas Shrugged - Kent Pitman - Open Salon
asciilifeform: ^ posthumous letter, published by friend
assbot: Erik Naggum in memoriam | Pernille Nylehns blog
asciilifeform: ^ his girl
asciilifeform: this should be enough to satisfy.
mircea_popescu: ;;later tell bitcoinpete views on one of the pastebins ? 190. the other ? 201.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
mircea_popescu: o there you are.
mircea_popescu: guess which got the head start and which is the funny one.
bitcoinpete: impecable timing, as ever
bitcoinpete: people like funny
bitcoinpete: o wait, the nonfunny one got more
bitcoinpete: a well
bitcoinpete: still within 5%
mircea_popescu: 500 strong community :D
mircea_popescu: i guess they share a lot of screens
bitcoinpete: the best is how they pretend i never called them out
bitcoinpete: tweeting about the importance of instagram minutes later
assbot: Instagram for business: How to make the most out of timing, hashtags and more: http://t.co/uPjD35zCYK via /TheNextWeb /hashtag/socialmedia?src=hash
bitcoinpete: mircea_popescu: you're surely used to this "if i pretend not to notice" routine
bitcoinpete: coindesk kid did the same
bitcoinpete: at least maidsafe and bitgo left a comment on the blog
assbot: 1/A few thoughts on timing and staging of capital into modern tech startups -- start with fact that 2003-20011 seed rounds were ~$500K-1M.
bitcoinpete: ^ marc is starting to clue into inflation
bitcoinpete: "In effect, a $3-5M seed round or a $3-5M "New Series A" is a recreation of the original conception of an A round from historical VC."
mircea_popescu: no, just having problems managing capital.
bitcoinpete: used to be $500k, now $5m
mircea_popescu: too much of it.
bitcoinpete: which is a problem of inflationary currency, n'est pas?
mircea_popescu: if anything, start-up rounds need to be more now, not less. because it costs WAY less now for a couch surfing founder to start his company.
[]bot: Bet created: "Crude Oil to reach $120 before August" http://bitbet.us/bet/941/
mircea_popescu: in fact, it costs so little he doesn't even need horowitz. nor does he have any reason to talk to them. which he doesn't.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile on the other end of the chasm, there's billions nobody wants.
mircea_popescu: it's so bad your INTERN for a vc won't consider deals under 1mn
mircea_popescu: and so, the stupid meets the lazy : nobody wants to admit the fiat paper is pointless ; horowitz least of all.
mircea_popescu: nobody wants to admit the entrepreneur does no more need the financier. horowitz least of all.
bitcoinpete: so we get beats, the next uber
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 7 @ 0.0241 = 0.1687 BTC [-]
[]bot: Bet created: "American Marine to be released from Mexican Prison" http://bitbet.us/bet/942/
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 3 @ 0.042 = 0.126 BTC
assbot: RainMan28 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
mircea_popescu: !up RainMan28
RainMan28: thanks mircea_popescu
assbot: A Dark Room
mircea_popescu: RainMan28 gotta get in that wot.
RainMan28: mircea_popescu: dat exclusive level 2 wot
assbot: ronkrt +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
punkman: strange that a text adventure hit #1 on the app stores
punkman: guess some people still have taste
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07597466 = 0.7597 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0759738 = 0.9877 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15304 @ 0.00081809 = 12.52 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.076 = 0.76 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0756 = 0.756 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.076497 = 0.459 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.077 = 1.848 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 52 @ 0.07697311 = 4.0026 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.077 = 0.693 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: punkman: lol, game has... inflation.
assbot: Paraplegic kicks off World Cup with mind-controlled exoskeleton - CNET
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.077 = 0.924 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.077 = 0.924 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 5 @ 0.02418499 = 0.1209 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17300 @ 0.0008178 = 14.1479 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.077 = 0.231 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 15 @ 0.01990023 = 0.2985 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.077 = 0.231 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.077 = 0.385 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.077 = 1.232 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 21900 @ 0.00081819 = 17.9184 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.077 = 0.847 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 100 @ 0.002031 = 0.2031 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 36776 @ 0.00081967 = 30.1442 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07824503 = 0.2347 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.0787 = 1.1805 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 11 @ 0.0241 = 0.2651 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 22 @ 0.04405928 = 0.9693 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.0199001 = 0.398 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 10 @ 0.04405928 = 0.4406 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 10 @ 0.0199004 = 0.199 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] 9 @ 0.02418499 = 0.2177 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.0835 = 4.175 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.0835 = 2.004 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 39 @ 0.20996409 = 8.1886 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 295 @ 0.00200266 = 0.5908 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.0835 = 0.4175 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 51 @ 0.20368626 = 10.388 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 9 @ 0.20020009 = 1.8018 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 100 @ 0.200101 = 20.0101 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.20015 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.2001 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.08083266 = 0.97 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07600022 = 0.228 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.07600024 = 0.988 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 14 @ 0.0759 = 1.0626 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07584444 = 0.6826 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.07943452 = 1.5887 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 416 @ 0.00183911 = 0.7651 BTC [-] {10}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 30 @ 0.08389599 = 2.5169 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 34 @ 0.08399994 = 2.856 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 29 @ 0.02851379 = 0.8269 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.08155999 = 8.156 BTC [-] {4}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 23100 @ 0.00081653 = 18.8618 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 35782 @ 0.00081558 = 29.1831 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.08200006 = 0.246 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 24 @ 0.082 = 1.968 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 65 @ 0.08036153 = 5.2235 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 40465 @ 0.00081547 = 32.998 BTC [-]
fluffypony: ;;later tell asciilifeform https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k_kfOsQNwg4 <- LEGO recreation of a working Brückenlegepanzer Biber (tank that deploys its own bridge to cross a stream) - thought you'd enjoy it
assbot: Bridge laying tank Biber - YouTube
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 8 @ 0.08 = 0.64 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.08 = 8 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 29 @ 0.07937975 = 2.302 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0790001 = 0.711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.07900021 = 1.501 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.07949977 = 0.7155 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07949899 = 0.159 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 75 @ 0.07997333 = 5.998 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 125 @ 0.08 = 10 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.08 = 0.16 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SCRYPT] 20 @ 0.0285002 = 0.57 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9400 @ 0.00081695 = 7.6793 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.079 = 7.9 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.02032999 = 0.4066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 20 @ 0.02033 = 0.4066 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 2000 @ 0.00019996 = 0.3999 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 1065 @ 0.00019999 = 0.213 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 7000 @ 0.0002 = 1.4 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SF1] 831 @ 0.0002 = 0.1662 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0789996 = 1.027 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.0789995 = 0.553 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 23 @ 0.079 = 1.817 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0789995 = 0.711 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.079 = 0.869 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.079 = 0.553 BTC [+]
fluffypony: how is Farming Simulator 14 in the top 100 paid games on the iPad
fluffypony: I guess Farmville lives on in perpetuity
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07899999 = 0.316 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07899999 = 0.237 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.07899999 = 3.397 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 62 @ 0.079 = 4.898 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.079 = 1.027 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07899999 = 0.869 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 7050 @ 0.00081712 = 5.7607 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 4721 @ 0.00081973 = 3.8699 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 22050 @ 0.0008188 = 18.0545 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07899999 = 0.869 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.079 = 1.027 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.079 = 0.395 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: ym is a farmer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 19 @ 0.079 = 1.501 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.079 = 0.237 BTC [+]
Mats_cd03: erik naggum's memorial is fucking sad
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 2650 @ 0.0008165 = 2.1637 BTC [-]
Mats_cd03: and so we return to stardust
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform: ;;later tell BingoBoingo: while I weld the server shut to drop off at the colo << if you don't already own one, a very usable spot-welder can be made from the ubiquitous 1F+ capacitors sold for use with automotive 'boom-booms.' << 'dis spark plugs?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07899999 = 0.948 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0788999 = 0.789 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 30 @ 0.06612998 = 1.9839 BTC [+] {7}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0788999 = 0.2367 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: so based on mike_c's discussion last night, i think i have a very good addition to b-a kako. it'd go like this :
mircea_popescu: 1. somewhere on b-a website there's a text form where people can submit random text up to say 16kb in length. this all goes into db.
mircea_popescu: 2. once every 512 seconds, submitted text is checked. all that is clearsigned content by signatures in assbot's l2 gets bundled together, hashed and the hash is included in a special tx through which b-a pays 1 btc to itself with a decent miner fee
mircea_popescu: 3. once this tx gets 1 confirm, assbot makes an announcement here. "statements from mircea_popescu, mike_c, kakobrekla : b-a.com/registrar/blockxxx"
mircea_popescu: that way we have a quite useful registrar of deeds
mircea_popescu: if financing ever becomes a problem can always charge people who do over say 2 a month X btc for using it.
punkman: mircea_popescu: instead of sending 1btc back and forth, it should make a provably unspendable tx
punkman: less stuff in the blockchain
punkman: also miners don't have to keep it in the unspent transactions list
mircea_popescu: how is it less stuff in blockchain ?
mircea_popescu: we shall be seeing more of her during today.
mircea_popescu: punkman a tx is a tx, whether unspendable or not it's the same length no ?
punkman: I think the script is shorter for the unspendable tx
punkman: not having to keep it in unspent tx list is the more important part as I understand it
mircea_popescu: if that's true i doubt it's significant tbh
punkman: but not like you'll be making tons of them anyway
punkman: yeah
mircea_popescu: well, it's definitely the blockchain-friendliest approach, seeing as only a hash is stored in the first place. moreover, i don't see how nonspendable tx helps anything other than pruning
mircea_popescu: and i have mixed feelings on pruning and checkpoints
punkman: and in the interest of not writing things twice, assbot could send each bundle hash here http://www.proofofexistence.com/developers
assbot: Proof of Existence
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31300 @ 0.00081537 = 25.5211 BTC [-] {4}
mircea_popescu: or they could have joined assets a year or so ago. either way.
mircea_popescu: i'm not checking some random site i never heard about fwiw.
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: it's roughly the system you describe - it stores a hash of a document in the blockchain
mircea_popescu: fluffypony it's missing two key ingredients, the most important one being - done by people i trust.
mircea_popescu: this notion that anyone can randomly decide they'll now develop things works fine for weblogs or w/e
fluffypony: the nice thing is that they have an API for storing and verifying
assbot: maraoz/proofofexistence GitHub
mircea_popescu: the other one is that they don't maintain the records.
fluffypony: just run it on your own metal
mircea_popescu: this is a major problem.
mircea_popescu: well kako is more than welcome to fork it or w/e if he likes the code. tech decision.
mircea_popescu: i'm not putting their name in the spec tho.
fluffypony: it's been a year since Kingston released a 1tb HyperX Predator flash drive, I can't believe no other manufacturer has one yet
mircea_popescu: what's it do ?
mircea_popescu: wait wait, nobody else has a 1tb drive ?
pankkake: samsung, crucial, sandisk have
pankkake: so UR WRONG
assbot: Amazon.com: U32 Shadow™ 1TB External USB 3.0 Portable Hard Drive (Silver): Computers & Accessories
pankkake: oh you mean usb flash drive
fluffypony: flash drive
assbot: Victorinox's 1TB USB / eSATA II drive fingers-on
punkman: lol "An interesting addition to these drives is a small LCD display on the side that might at some point show meaning information, but sadly ours only boasted the 1TB size."
fluffypony: so that was announced but never released?
mircea_popescu: weird huh
assbot: Steph Kegels (Stephkegels) auf Twitter
punkman: those are some good hips
mircea_popescu: not bad lol. invite her over.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.0788999 = 0.3156 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.0788999 = 0.2367 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 25 @ 0.079 = 1.975 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.079 = 1.738 BTC [+]
punkman: ohey found the video from those gifs: http://xhamster.com/xembed.php?video=3060693
punkman: there are people in the library
mircea_popescu: and she's doing 2quite the show
mircea_popescu: curse you for spoiling my planned drip release
mircea_popescu: DAMMIT YOU CAN HAZ NO CONTENT CONTROL WITH THEZE INTERNET KIDS TODAY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.079 = 1.422 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 119 @ 0.07999991 = 9.52 BTC [+] {3}
fluffypony: if anyone's interested, I'm looking for someone to buy a $900 item (aforementioned flash drive) on Amazon for me and ship it to me, will pay in Bitcoin and also pay for the effort
mircea_popescu: no amazon deliveries to SA ?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: only for a few items
mircea_popescu: ;;seen moiety
gribble: moiety was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 1 day, 21 hours, 9 minutes, and 40 seconds ago: <moiety> i do but there's a lot of time left
fluffypony: DVDs and books mostly
mircea_popescu: hammer her when she comes back.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.0795 = 1.0335 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: hey there moiety :D
moiety: hello all, I'm really sorry for my lack of presence this past little while, had some problems with moving. I'm trying my hardest to not be offline.
moiety: hiya mircea_popescu how are you?
fluffypony: OMG YES MOIETY WHERE HAVE YOU BEEN
fluffypony: also how is the sex weeks flat?
moiety: BRI haven't heard of Malcom btw mircea_popescu, i was going to dig a little, if you wanted
moiety: fluffypony: I love it, it's amazing! but i got stuck in the empty old flat for a few days and haven't had internet here. I've moved half hour drive away in the smallest car you can buy i think and me and mum aren't exactly weight lifters lol how are you? :D
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 170 @ 0.07930587 = 13.482 BTC [-] {3}
fluffypony: I'm excellent tks :)
mircea_popescu: moiety it's fine, thanks. case closed.
mircea_popescu: anyway, mind buying a disk for fluffypony on amazon and reshipping it ?
moiety: old flt finally emptied completely yesterday. i felt broken after it lol
fluffypony: moiety: from earlier - fluffypony: if anyone's interested, I'm looking for someone to buy a $900 item (aforementioned flash drive) on Amazon for me and ship it to me, will pay in Bitcoin and also pay for the effort
moiety: sure what disc?
assbot: 500 Service Unavailable Error
moiety: ahh kk i still ickle behind on logs
mircea_popescu: ;;rated moiety
gribble: You have not yet rated user moiety
fluffypony: find the cheapest new one in that list
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 22 @ 0.0795 = 1.749 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;rate moiety 2 Good secretary and logistics mastergirl.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 2 for user moiety has been recorded.
moiety: :D tyvm
moiety: fluffypony: $894.99 & FREE Shipping
fluffypony: moiety: does that definitely ship to you, afaik?
punkman: watch out for customs, although amazon.com sometimes estimates it on checkout and let's you prepay
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.079 = 3.16 BTC [-]
moiety: yeah i'm just signing in to go over it all
fluffypony: ok cool beans
fluffypony: also have you setup a Bitcoin wallet yet?
moiety: 1MoiEtY7kGWwxr7isWhS492gXJZqGUbWFy << :D its even a speshul one ... kk so that one isn't the best deal imo, lemme dig a little more
moiety: though i didn't mean the E and Y to be giant
moiety: >.>
mircea_popescu: spells out mey
mircea_popescu: could be worse
mircea_popescu: btw, you didn't generate that unsafely over some sort of shady provider did you ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 5 @ 0.07949999 = 0.3975 BTC [+]
moiety: no, generated all by myself :D
moiety: vanitygen + cmd is ok isn't it?
mircea_popescu: dude you have some hash then :D
fluffypony: and to double check - you're backing up your wallet.dat and/or you have your privkey written down and stored somewhere away from your house?
fluffypony: mircea_popescu: my 1spagni vanity addy took like 4 hours with vanitygen - 7 letters takes it up to like 1-2 days, 8 letters you need oclvanitygen
moiety: fluffypony: ok so you save about £57 getting it from the us but it will take longer
fluffypony: yeah I'll pay the extra
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07949999 = 0.954 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.07949999 = 1.3515 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: btw if anyonestill has a forum acct, ask that brucexie guy to drop bysometime
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 18 @ 0.07949999 = 1.431 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM100] 135 @ 0.0018501 = 0.2498 BTC [-]
kakobrekla: >Dude you created an account just to come here and troll, at least have the decency not to hide your real account. Our little section of Bitcoin is doing just fine, OgNasty is one of the most upstanding members of the Bitcoin community. To come here and claim he is running some type of scam is ridiculous. You seem to have already climbed back into your hole, please stay there.
kakobrekla: apparently i still have one.
kakobrekla: o wait no
kakobrekla: Sorry kako, you are banned from posting or sending personal messages on this forum.
kakobrekla: You have been banned by a forum moderator. You may appeal here: banappeals-w6pquw43@theymos.e4ward.com .
mircea_popescu: isn't this most upstanding member that dork that came here a coupla years ago to try and troll anonymously
mircea_popescu: but then forgot all about how handles work ?
kakobrekla: that does sound familiar
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.07949999 = 0.477 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 17250 @ 0.00082036 = 14.1512 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: you know it just occurs to me, the democratic political process and open source software have a shitload in common.
mircea_popescu: the only reason shit like the openssh was full of is even getting fixed at all is that it costs nothing to alter code.
mircea_popescu: if you had to pay fiddy bux to edit github bleedin' heart would still be there and a bunch of dorks all over the web would be explaining how it's not really that bad
mircea_popescu: policies already in place cost about that much to change and it's how it works.
mircea_popescu: both methods of organising labour are utterly horrible for anyone interested in quality work. they do deliver a very extensive array of crap
mircea_popescu: unfortunately... it's generally very crappy.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07949999 = 0.159 BTC [+]
moiety: message sent to brucexie
fluffypony: bbiab
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 73 @ 0.07949999 = 5.8035 BTC [+] {2}
chetty: mircea_popescu: policies already in place cost about that much to change and it's how it works.// people manage to believe that free stuff exists
chetty: example: oh boy I got HUGE tax return = free money, completely ignoring that is the gubermint returning your money they took
mircea_popescu: this is a point
mircea_popescu: kinda how the hunter-gatherer brain is wired. FREE BERRIES!
mircea_popescu: other later sedimentary strata of the brain have trouble talking through the barrage of endorphin release
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07949999 = 0.795 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07949999 = 0.159 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.07949999 = 0.2385 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: nubbins` you'll never guess what these guys quoted me for 1k cards btw.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 3 @ 0.04405928 = 0.1322 BTC [-]
fluffypony: !up nubbins`
nubbins`: hmm, nope!
nubbins`: $75 ;D
mircea_popescu: yeah. like $115
mircea_popescu: im gonna get it just to see wtf 100 bux buys you. but srsly, if they can deliver atthat price you prolly should move your whole operation down here
mircea_popescu: sink teh world.
nubbins`: heheh
nubbins`: my time is still $45/hr even in .ar
mircea_popescu: i would guess that principally depends on what 45 buys you.
fluffypony: what do I pay my guy
fluffypony: I just did 2 sets of cards (1k each)
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 15300 @ 0.00082042 = 12.5524 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: matt finish
fluffypony: and it was £72 (design + printing)
fluffypony: plus shipping from England, but that's relatively negligible
nubbins`: see, business cards are exactly the wrong thing to silkscreen
nubbins`: so much manual work for something so tiny
mircea_popescu: this is just the offset. apparently you can't get special tints in digital
mircea_popescu: but i tell you by the way... i've seen some machinery on that hunt... this whole town's half a museum
mircea_popescu: except they still run the exhibitions.
nubbins`: i'd say one could dredge up some old letterpress machines down there if one had some time to kill
nubbins`: anyway, yeah, silkscreen beats digital when you get into poster sizing
nubbins`: 18x24" digital-print poster: $15+ per print
nubbins`: silkscreen: ~$4ea in quantity
nubbins`: (quantity being like 2 dozen)
nubbins`: i was actually reading a gabriel garcia marquez story the other day where the guy talks about "a beautiful four-color poster"
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 6 @ 0.079 = 0.474 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 950 @ 0.00082058 = 0.7796 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: ;;calc (3 * 2.5 * 1000) / (18*24*24)
gribble: 0.72337962963
mircea_popescu: should be about the same thing no ?!
nubbins`: surface-area, yeah
nubbins`: cutting is the killer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 3 @ 0.079 = 0.237 BTC [-]
mircea_popescu: o it is ?
mircea_popescu: id have thought thats mostly automated
fluffypony: ;;later tell moiety Let me know costs re: the flash drive and I'll send BTC to cover, and then once it arrives we can sort out re-shipping and your time. Thanks!
gribble: The operation succeeded.
nubbins`: you can get electric/hydraulic cutters
nubbins`: but all the placement etc is still by hand
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.07949999 = 1.272 BTC [+]
nubbins`: so little margin for error
nubbins`: your business card is cut 0.125" off-center, the card looks like shit
mircea_popescu: they managed to make printers autofeed 30 years ago
mircea_popescu: but placement for cutting is still done by hand ?!
nubbins`: true story
nubbins`: now, there are back-stops you can use for consistency
nubbins`: but cuttong a 15x22" sheet down to business card size, you gotta keep moving the backstop
mircea_popescu: i got news for you : if your injet desktop printer prnts .1 off center, it also looks like shit
nubbins`: ^ this is true
nubbins`: best you could manage would be to get a stack cutter and slice a stack of sheets all at once
nubbins`: but it's all finicky work
nubbins`: we have a 24" guillotine cutter, anything bigger than that requires a ruler and x-acto
fluffypony: ah, so you'd struggle with circumcising me then - good to know
nubbins`: OH YOU
nubbins`: bbl checking out the iceberg
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 45 @ 0.0795 = 3.5775 BTC [+]
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fluffypony: lol lol lol
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pankkake: reddit, the actual reason to sell your bitcoins
mircea_popescu: pankkake methinks you take the internet too literally.
mircea_popescu: perhaps i should make an illustration of this brb
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Apocalyptic: "I think it's funny that people think a bitcoin subreddit is the center of the bitcoin universe"
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assbot: This is just about everyone on the Internet pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: where'd you get the dervish ?
asciilifeform can't help but wonder re: the purpose of the road cone.
kakobrekla: mircea_popescu that, on the screen, is not the internet.
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform amusingly, an INVESTOR SITE
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla no, it's not. but IT THINKS IT IS
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asciilifeform: fluffypony: Brückenlegepanzer << neato
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moiety: omg mobile broadband sucks for gribbling
moiety: fluffypony: couple different options, i'll make a wee paste and pm it to you
asciilifeform noticed first 'in anger' test of stabilizer - mains went out for ~1s, ups (upstream of stab) didn't even notice. plenty of joules in the xformer's magnetic field...
asciilifeform: *downstream
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moiety: asciilifeform: re cats digging, there is a UK comedian (Eddie Izzard) who says cats are drilling (purring) and digging when they are behind the sofa lol in actuality, i think people can confuse digging for taking care of their claws. re covering their mess, incidentally they don't do this when they want to show who is boss in a household.
asciilifeform: moiety: this was probably correct. no traces of a cat tunnel were visible afterwards.
asciilifeform: moiety: cat in question, incidentally, isn't tame. won't come near people - but does hang out on my porch often.
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moiety: probably cus you don't bother him. would make sense for more feral cats to do the not covering of their mess also.
asciilifeform: moiety: these beasts do bury their turds, but mark territory
asciilifeform: ;;google felinine
gribble: Felinine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia: <http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felinine>; Felinine: a urinary amino acid of Felidae.: <http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/8590373>; Felinine: a urinary amino acid of Felidae - ScienceDirect.com: <http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/0305049195001301>
asciilifeform: it doesn't bother me (grew up in a place with, possibly, more feral cats than people)
moiety: to get cats away, people put down anti-freeze because its sweet to cats D; half burying a 2l bottle half filled with water on it's side will discourage them without death
asciilifeform: moiety: on the contrary, more cats, the better
moiety: asciilifeform: sounds fab! apparently feral cats here are breeding out the true bobcat
asciilifeform is fond of cats, even if one can only look at them
moiety: are you allergic?
moiety: why can't you have one?
asciilifeform: moiety: last i heard, it was the felis silvestris that was hybridizing with the domestic, rather than bobcat
moiety: o i mean our native scottish bobcat
asciilifeform: that'd be, afaik, felis silvestris
asciilifeform: ancestor of the domestic
moiety: ah yeah
moiety: well, it's like semi ferals... like farm cats and country cats
asciilifeform: these are 'compatible' with regulation cat.
moiety: there are people going around neutering ferals so stop them cross breeding
asciilifeform actually found out about silvestris interbreeding with housecat from... erik naggum
asciilifeform: moiety: have you tamed one of these animals ?
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moiety: i've never seen one personally D; i've been mid-scotland for a decade, til moving recently
moiety: the more north/rural you go here, the less cats behave like your usual housecat. somuch roaming the wilderness in all weathers for them
moiety: actually, same goes for the people....
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.07949997 = 0.8745 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: moiety: why can't you have one << sadly i lack the skills, time, resources to care for a second pet
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 115 @ 0.07949999 = 9.1425 BTC [+] {2}
moiety: asciilifeform: what's your primary pet? (please say your laser)
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 50 @ 0.079999 = 4 BTC [+]
moiety: ah
moiety: but they are meant to look after you!
asciilifeform: sorta does, aye
assbot: IRS Says Official's Emails Were Lost in Computer Crash - WSJ
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asciilifeform: chetty: is this kind of paperwork ever not conveniently 'lost' ?
asciilifeform: 'we accidentally the evidence'
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 63 @ 0.08 = 5.04 BTC [+] {3}
chetty: yeah but emails?? who in the hell would believe that?
asciilifeform: moiety: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdW_bKkmQVo << consider moving, like mircea_popescu, to south america...
assbot: Ocelot - Tigrillo - YouTube
moiety: asciilifeform: amazing markings! especially the ears. isn't it fascinating how all cats no matter feral-ness or genus do the rubbing against your legs for attention?
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
moiety: ;; later tell unbalanced thanks :D homemade is always better http://imgur.com/a/vmd8a#2 :D we do need something to soak up the whisky lol
assbot: baking - Imgur
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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asciilifeform: moiety: i suspect that ocelot is quasi-tame (lives on the dock, fed fish?)
moiety: asciilifeform: certainly doesn't behave so feral, grumbling away for more petting
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 8924 @ 0.00081596 = 7.2816 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 51 @ 0.078399 = 3.9983 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.078999 = 0.948 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07899999 = 0.948 BTC [+] {3}
benkay: <mircea_popescu> also, check out this slut : // great tits
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.SELL] 5 @ 0.0202 = 0.101 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9693 @ 0.00082058 = 7.9539 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 5000 @ 0.00082058 = 4.1029 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.07899912 = 0.948 BTC [-] {3}
asciilifeform: ;;rated moiety
gribble: You have not yet rated user moiety
asciilifeform: ;;rate moiety 1 felis silvestris.
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user moiety has been recorded.
punkman: so these guys are gonna develop truecrypt now: https://github.com/FreeApophis https://twitter.com/doekbrijder
assbot: FreeApophis (Thomas) GitHub
assbot: Doekbrijder (doekbrijder) auf Twitter
punkman: Mr. "my first C project is gonna be crypto" and a Drupal dev
asciilifeform: punkman: snake oil sucks, but when it's medicine for a corpse... whatever.
punkman: indeed
moiety: tyvm asciilifeform :D
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]
chetty: that reddit link... lol.
moiety: ;; last seen bingoboingo
gribble: (last [--{from,in,on,with,without,regexp} <value>] [--nolimit]) -- Returns the last message matching the given criteria. --from requires a nick from whom the message came; --in requires a channel the message was sent to; --on requires a network the message was sent on; --with requires some string that had to be in the message; --regexp requires a regular expression the message must match; (1 more message)
moiety: wut
kakobrekla: ;;seen bingoboingo
gribble: bingoboingo was last seen in #bitcoin-assets 21 hours, 16 minutes, and 49 seconds ago: <BingoBoingo> mdev: Ideally it is a self correcting issue.
moiety: ah thank you kakobrekla :D
moiety: glad to see he wasn't blown away by the bad weather
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assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13400 @ 0.00082371 = 11.0377 BTC [+] {2}
fluffypony: moiety: ok back
moiety: i sent a pm fluffypony
fluffypony: oh just saw that, tks
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]
fluffypony: ;;later tell mircea_popescu I thought he was 16/f/cali? but then again, I forgot my robe and my wizard hat...
gribble: The operation succeeded.
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [SHA] 76 @ 0.042 = 3.192 BTC
chetty: my robe and my wizard hat...// required uniforms for next conf?
fluffypony: Thursday night dinner will require it
fluffypony: as well as 16 year old females from Cali
fluffypony: (which my wife is, except Cali == Germany of course)
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21100006 = 0.633 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 1 @ 0.21 BTC [-]
moiety: ;; later tell mircea_popescu I just got a rather big shock.... thank you very much :]
gribble: Error: Spurious "]". You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
moiety: ;; later tell mircea_popescu I just got a rather big shock.... thank you very much :)
gribble: The operation succeeded.
moiety: omg gribble don't discriminate against different smiles!
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 2 @ 0.07899999 = 0.158 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 4 @ 0.07899999 = 0.316 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: ;;later tell moiety ":]"
gribble: The operation succeeded.
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PROV] 100 @ 0.002 = 0.2 BTC
moiety: kakobrekla: thanks! though, this is like wearing braces or something.... XD
Apocalyptic: moiety, the message won't contain the quotes
moiety: I just saw that..and felt silly
moiety: >.>
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assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 4 @ 0.21399992 = 0.856 BTC [+] {2}
FabianB: !up empyex
FabianB: $depth f.mpif
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021659 10000 @ 0.00021640 1000 @ 0.00021562 10000 @ 0.00021561
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 500 @ 0.00021726 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000 10000 @ 0.00040000
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 28600 @ 0.0008179 = 23.3919 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CBTC] 3854 @ 0.00007784 = 0.3 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.08 = 0.72 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 7 @ 0.08 = 0.56 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 12839 @ 0.00082428 = 10.5829 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 54 @ 0.08 = 4.32 BTC [+] {2}
Mats_cd03: i would buy many write blocking devices if s.nsa offered them for sale
Mats_cd03: im using the vinco board to do it in lieu of golden toilet
Mats_cd03: asciilifeform ^
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 12 @ 0.08 = 0.96 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26404 @ 0.00081705 = 21.5734 BTC [-]
benkay: neat trick, FabianB
FabianB: benkay: it's mpexbot a little improved
FabianB: !up empyex
FabianB: $conference
empyex: FabianB: Next conference starts in 10 months and 3 days. Estimated cost today: 2.33372229 BTC
FabianB: $vwap s.mg
empyex: FabianB: S.MG 1 day: no data 7 day: no data 30 day: average: 0.00009054 high: 0.00012399 low: 0.00009 volume: 402335 btc: 36.42872565
FabianB: $mpexlag
empyex: FabianB: 132 milliseconds
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 575 @ 0.07266747 = 41.7838 BTC [-] {34}
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 59507 @ 0.00082541 = 49.1177 BTC [+] {4}
dub: goxxed
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 26000 @ 0.00082681 = 21.4971 BTC [+] {2}
mircea_popescu: fluffypony im not even sure, but i think 16 was back in the 90s before all the nonsense about fucking teenagers gripped the us
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mircea_popescu: asciilifeform: moiety: i suspect that ocelot is quasi-tame (lives on the dock, fed fish?) << not that tame from what i hear
mircea_popescu: plenty of "owners" got bit / mauled. sorta like pitbull ** 2
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moiety: this had developed into a harder to determine label though hasnt it
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: that particular beast
asciilifeform: (not the species)
moiety: hes no a beast, he wants clapped
benkay: $vwap s.nsa
moiety: clapped = petted inscottish btw, sorry
benkay: <mircea_popescu> plenty of "owners" got bit / mauled. sorta like pitbull ** 2 // don't you start with this pernicious shit
mircea_popescu: benkay hm ?
chetty: cats in general are less predictable than dogs
moiety: it's the life if a bad rep... it doesnt mean you are bad, just thatpeople have said you have done bad things
moiety: benkay ^
benkay: pits are entirely great dogs.
mircea_popescu: empyex sick ?
benkay: $vwap s.mpoe
mircea_popescu: benkay that is besides the point. they are demanding dogs.
benkay: "demanding" what does this mean?
benkay: that one must actually train them?
moiety: has pooch got a pal yet benkay .. have you caved to puppy requests?
chetty: to properly own/train a pitbull takes more skill than say a poodle
asciilifeform: there's a school of thought that one should have a potentially man-eating pet, that way you know that it really likes you
benkay: moiety: the plan is to satisfy the baby crazy with...a baby.
asciilifeform: (or something like that)
moiety: my favourite dog no one had even heard of. i like the jp chin. they are like cats you know they dont bark. does this mean im a cat lady to the bone or accepting?
asciilifeform: (if not yet eaten)
mircea_popescu: <benkay> that one must actually train them? << yes.
moiety: benkay: woah for real?
mircea_popescu: all the time. not whenever they have the time or feel like it.
moiety: you know they talk back after X years right?
mircea_popescu: and training means a thing. not whatever some derp has the stomach for
mircea_popescu: but actually hitting them over the head
benkay: i've never shied from that.
mircea_popescu: that's you.
mircea_popescu: and maybe five other people in your town
benkay: de veras
mircea_popescu: so then. ocelot is even worse
mircea_popescu: it'll fucking love you if you're a better ocelot than it is
moiety: pits have erned themselves the rep of nanny dogs, why doesnt this get taken into account?
mircea_popescu: if you're an american it'll kill you in your sleep and feed on your entrails.
moiety: no
asciilifeform: there are tiger, lion tamers, in america
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform and also chartered accountants.
asciilifeform: somewhere. (i recall one was eaten quite recently)
benkay: because americans don't think, they react to fear moiety.
justusranvier: Pits are extremely affectionate dogs towards humans. Some of them have been bred for dog aggression.
mircea_popescu: ;;google monty python chartered accountant lion tamer
gribble: Monty Python - Lion Tamer - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XMOmB1q8W4Y>; Chartered Accountant by Monty Python.mp4 - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=azkFz1ZbXyU>; Monty Python - Vocational Guidance Counsellor - YouTube: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4h-wVe9a6rQ>
moiety: mircea_popescu: but but but ocelot, such eyes, boig blobs on ears
moiety: fuck did i just define rasicsm? sorry]
mircea_popescu: moiety you know, animal eyes are empty. the humanity you see in there is your own projection.
moiety: not define, exemplify*
moiety: mircea_popescu: how do you know they are empty?
benkay: the thing about pits is that they've got this long history of being bred to defend the family from things, where things can be everything from home invaders to bears on the plains during the trek to oregon
benkay: this rocket can put you in orbit or drop a warhead on your friend's face.
assbot: - YouTube
mircea_popescu: moiety if you ever get to kill a bunch of people and a bunch of animals, you'll eventually notice the difference :)
assbot: - - YouTube
asciilifeform: translation: '... i know her weak points, and when she misbehaves, i know exactly where to smack...'
benkay: although re smacks mine responds most promptly to a squirt of water in the face.
benkay: <moiety> you know they talk back after X years right? // you should have heard the things as what came out of my mouth.
mircea_popescu: Mats_cd03: i would buy many write blocking devices if s.nsa offered them for sale <<< asciilifeform when are we making this man happy ?
mircea_popescu: $conference
moiety: asciilifeform: i cant understand this but tht cat ispretty huge! do you think tho that that's cat's general nature. they need, you give = omg you have a domestic - ish
mircea_popescu: FabianB this shit is so damned cool but why doesn't it work!!11
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: 'first you pillage, then you burn' or how did it go
moiety: mircea_popescu: i got asked once if i wanted someone killed... it's a bigger question than you realise til you are asked
moiety: i say once i mean recently
mircea_popescu: lol what are you, the new sr madam ?
moiety: asciilifeform: on second vid... they are pretty big fullly grown! these guys dont mind having them in home, no bother
asciilifeform: moiety: the cat - siberian lynx. no tamer naturally than tiger. 2nd link, the man describes how he disciplines the animal
asciilifeform: exactly what mircea_popescu said
moiety: the ocelot doesnt seem bothered by the man at all
asciilifeform: moiety: 1st link - also siberian lynx. in moscow apartment.
moiety: it seems happy enough, i guess as it doesnt know any better
moiety: are you telling me if i gpt manul baby, it would be happy
asciilifeform: moiety: 2nd lynx was found in the wild as a kitten (hunters killed its mother)
moiety: omg thats so sad
moiety: ive been looking into these charity manul people and i dont trust them
assbot: On The Superiority of Monarchy (or, adnotations to Why the Worst Get on Top) pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
moiety: such bonny coluring, folk just run in and steal them,exotic pets or fur trade gives a lot. urgh
mircea_popescu: people arguing with me, always a funny sight.
moiety: oooh new header again
moiety: i like this one, how often do they rotate? the last one eas really nice but didnt stay as long as monoply or have i lostt time via moving - entirely pribable
moiety: was*
moiety: *probable*
mircea_popescu: moiety normally they rotate quarterly, but i've done like 3 or 4 this past month cause why the hell not sorta thing
asciilifeform reports from the unintended-side-effects-of-new-tech-department: put on new set of noise-cancellers, can now hear my tongue move. disturbing.
moiety: mircea_popescu: prexactly, your blog, why not :D good on you!
moiety: nsa thanks you asciilifeform but they get bored of cats....i don't however, just so you know
moiety: don't mean to make all you al cringe but....
assbot: Size does matter- man sues hospital for shortening his penis | Metro News
moiety: i think whats important to note here is his wife is a fucking cunt
mircea_popescu: uh why ?
assbot: Monty Python - Ypres 1914, The Short Straw - YouTube
moiety: mircea_popescu: cus you should marry to stick by someone, not run off when they cant have sex for 24 months
moiety: (i think)
mircea_popescu: well maybe she married to be sticked by someone
Mats_cd03: i mean...thats a long time
moiety: personally, i feel it was a scapegoat situation
moiety: i feel like, she probably waycnted to leave following his paraplegia. I mean, why marry someone you would see it through with?
moiety: wanted*
moiety: wouldn't*
moiety: so sorry, i make little sense after wine
mircea_popescu: anyone of teh unvoiced looking to do a bit of coding ?
kakobrekla: (hint: they cant speak)
mircea_popescu: they can pm!
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moiety: what kind of coding?
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mircea_popescu: so a man reads "But that particular December nothing positive had taken place, except for the Soviet-Chinese talks - though even they seemed to have got bogged down - and the seventieth birthday of the Leader of the Peoples. He could scarcely tell the Germans about the trial of Traicho Rostov, at which the whole blatant MISE-EN-SCENE had suddenly come unstuck in open court and the correspondents had been fobbed off, af
mircea_popescu: ter some delay, with a false confession allegedly written by Rostov in the death cell. This was too shameful, and it would hardly have served the purposes of reeducation." and then goes to search, curious what the internets know of rostov ?
assbot: 17 Dec 1949 - Drawbacks Of A Communist Career
mircea_popescu: the last paragraph is perhaps quite important, for all the "bitcoin entrepreneurs" so very eager to sign plea bargains. broz tito outlived stalin, and nearly outlived the soviets.
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atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 439711.37 in 982 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -38.53
atcbot: 35k@250 2k@240 16k@235 | 0k@180 0k@176 0k@172
mircea_popescu: lol cool.
thestringpuller: no bid depth
thestringpuller: difficulty is kinda mad high on ATC must be some ASICs out there on the network
asciilifeform: 'Stop sending people to kill me. We've already captured five of them, one of them with a bomb and another with a rifle. If you don't stop sending killers, I'll send one to Moscow, and I won't have to send a second.'
asciilifeform: (famous letter from tito to stalin, found on the latter's desk after his death)
mircea_popescu: im playing moscopol tangos in the crisp argentine air, and chasing their splendid ciruelas with my splendid imported plum juice
mircea_popescu: it's a sort of paradise.
mircea_popescu: btw asciilifeform re zaraza : www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2Y8kylOsF0 (the original, uruguay)
assbot: [TANGO-L] zaraza or Zaraza
mircea_popescu: (the uruguayan is SO MUCH BETTER too)
mircea_popescu: funnier still : "Buey zaraza, tus ojos tristones" in original. buey is commonly used in romanian today as a vocative address
mircea_popescu: (sort-of like "yo!")
mircea_popescu: meanwhile the term is actually... orcadian!
mircea_popescu: (where it means boy. spoken the same way)
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: try this one on for size:
asciilifeform: 'the Western blok... preferred to view the Eastern European nations as victims of Soviet aggression, ignoring the simple and manly fact (that would have been instantly understood by a Roman) that Soviet legions, without anyone's help, took possession of Eastern Europe via force of arms, answering aggression with aggression. And the Roman would an absurdity - he could not comprehend, in the name of what so-called
asciilifeform: moral justice the legions ought to forsake the lands for which they had paid with their blood. Not only is the transference of conceptions of morality to the evaluation of historical events a phony method, but, if we recall, the moralists - the defeated European nations and the Americans, enemies of the USSR - that is to say, non-impartial moralists - their condemnations sound hollow indeed. The offenders, are,
asciilifeform: of course, unphased by this. We know now that their strategy of psychological war turned out to be a correct one... To establish the injustice, the 'meanness' of the enemy in a moralistic war is every bit as important as winning a pitched battle in a hot war.'
asciilifeform: from edward limonov, 'disciplinary sanitarium.'
asciilifeform: translation mine.
asciilifeform: much as it must've sucked to be on the receiving end of the beast - much of what people like to gripe about re: soviet ham-handedness was, as you might say, 'forced mistake.'
mircea_popescu: certainly a forced mistake.
mircea_popescu: but look at the matter : ever since napoleon implemented the idiotic idea that people generally should have a voice merely for having been born,
mircea_popescu: europe has had naught but turmoil. the russians ended up taking it in the ass twice for this reason, and painfully too.
asciilifeform: mr mold likes to crank it all the way back to... voltaire
mircea_popescu: that on the 2nd pass they eventually had enough and followed is reasonably understandable.
mircea_popescu: that the 1800s quaint concepts of the superiority of the west, naive faith in the benevolence of the european man, and his general humanity, all that germanophillia etc
mircea_popescu: turned by1950 into a quite paranoid "we'll never be safe ever unelss we control it all" is equally sensible in context
mircea_popescu: the problem is that russia never was and likely never will be actually up to the task.
mircea_popescu: so it's a bit of a drama.
asciilifeform: benevolence of the european man, and his general humanity << the funny part is that the russian left (pro-american. if you want to actually understand post-collapse ussr, gotta understand why left->pro-us) went right back to this spiel
mircea_popescu: it's not voltaire, it's the french retard club, montaigne, saint simon, rousseau etc.
asciilifeform: 'hyooman riiights!'
mircea_popescu: asciilifeform they'll forever go to this spiel.
mircea_popescu: it's unavoidable. who else ?
mircea_popescu: whether your father is a scientist or a drunk, or both,
mircea_popescu: as a six year old boy he's gonna be your father regardless.
mircea_popescu: meanwhile europe is going in it's second syphilitic-whore-with-a-gram-a-day-habit
mircea_popescu: such a thing kills everyone else, but it just goes to sleep and comes out virgin and 16 again.
mircea_popescu: (napoleon's "general's baton" bs is nothing but the reimplementation of the gracchi's reforms, 20 centuries prior)
asciilifeform no expert, but sees a europe that largely shot its wad in 1918
asciilifeform: so where's the 16-virgin ?
mircea_popescu: no kidding.
mircea_popescu: it did all this before. better, even, arguably, since still no man was yet as rich as crassus.
assbot: Ignacio Corsini - Zaraza (1929) - YouTube
assbot: Wiera Gran sings Russian tango - Ciemna noc (Temnaya Noch) - YouTube
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benkay: tonights delicacies: lady-made gnocchi with bacon and sea scallops in a pecorino cream sauce
benkay: i was introduced to a novel 'paper' last night: CaCO3 quarry byproduct + resin.
benkay: "eat recycled food" etc etc
mircea_popescu: !up davidlatapie
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davidlatapie: Hi mircea_popescu how are you doing? I'm sorry I did not have much time to participate recently. Not that is it getting better :)
davidlatapie: Awaken at 5PM?
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assbot: Brevard judge tells attorney, 'I'll beat your ass,' allegedly... | www.wftv.com
benkay: "speedy trial" is a bit vauge.
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asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: napoleon's "general's baton" << i always understood that piece to speak of his favour for aristocracy 'of merit' vs of birth
asciilifeform: when things get wedged at 'of birth' that's really an invitation for a napoleon to come and, technical term, 'fuck shit up just because'
asciilifeform: and there'll be plenty of folks ready to help
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