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assbot: I was considering bidding on the seized SR bitcoin, but I think I'll just wait for the US Marshals to tweet the private keys to the winners.
assbot: Introducing F.DERP pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
Duffer1: o.0
mircea_popescu: justlurking: yep, starting my 6 month indoctrination thanks to pete << hey there.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla: the investors will make a KLIPPING << ahahaha
mircea_popescu: dude i think kako is like the funniest guy here.
mircea_popescu: gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user punkman has been recorded. << this warms my cold dark heart.
punkman: mircea_popescu: how so
mircea_popescu: BingoBoingo: ;;google site:trilema.com live to be a millionaire << shit i wrote that ?! in another decade trilema'll be new reading to me too ;/
mircea_popescu: punkman i like it when people build things upon things.
mircea_popescu: ;;google society for putting things on top of other things
gribble: Monty Python Royal Society for Putting Things on top of other things ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1f-kfRREA8M>; Monty Python: Royal Society For Putting Things on Top of Other ...: <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5ixeRWrg0yg>; Monty Python: The Society for Putting Things on Top of Other Things: <http://www.montypython.net/scripts/society.php>
BingoBoingo: mircea_popescu: You wrote relatively recently
mircea_popescu: yeah, with it here i remember it.
mircea_popescu: “No one is wise enough or good enough to mould the character of any child… An adult generation that has seen two great wars and seems about to launch a third should not be trusted to mould the character of a rat.”
mircea_popescu: a.s. neil is perhaps the dumbest guy i read this year
mircea_popescu: what the fuck already. since when is war a disqualifier ?
asciilifeform: 'war - the mother of all things'
mircea_popescu: anyone wanna go kill this guy ?
mircea_popescu: or is he dead already ?
BingoBoingo: I'll assume he's already dead, at least on the inside
mircea_popescu: perhaps the next one.
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: http://clubs.ya.ru/4611686018427388682/replies.xml?item_no=24517 << 'saratov' fridge. 93 Wt. cost: 76 rub. date of manuf.: 1969.
assbot: - .
asciilifeform: caption, among other things 'ran for 40 yrs.'
asciilifeform: plenty of comments, in the spirit, 'mine's built '65 and runs.'
asciilifeform thinks plenty of folks are grossly misinformed re: soviet hardware.
asciilifeform wonders in what western country you can buy a fridge that runs for 50 years. for $500? 5000, 50,000 ?
mircea_popescu: i was forcing a point !!1
asciilifeform: crappy soviet hardware is very real
mircea_popescu: that point being, that the russian (actually, german, pre ww2) model works just fine with no ecological consideration
asciilifeform: and largely came from lack of necessaries
mircea_popescu: or in otherwords, if you're willing to kill as many subhumans as it takes
asciilifeform: e.g. my father was once employed to reverse-engineer movie projectors
asciilifeform: couldn't get german steel for the part where the film stretches taught
asciilifeform: result - tolerances fail, film - snaps
asciilifeform: redesign. result -> cruddy kludge
asciilifeform: energy cost is a design parameter at the time of design - not now.
asciilifeform: my neighbour - rebuilds '40s-'50s amer cars.
mircea_popescu: o look at that, bids
mircea_popescu: $depth D.BPAY
empyex: mircea_popescu: Want a bash? http://bash.bitcoin-assets.com/?quote=92 Or use a valid MPSIC!
assbot: #bitcoin-assets bash
FabianB: $depth D.BPAY
empyex: FabianB: [D.BPAY] Bids: 100 @ 0.25000000
empyex: FabianB: [D.BPAY] Asks:
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [CFIG] 17 @ 0.052 = 0.884 BTC [+]
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDvikAG7cD8#t=15 << 4-cycle petrol engine built from that fridge's compressor.
assbot: 4 - YouTube
mircea_popescu: FabianB :) danke
FabianB: np :)
atcbot: 2k@240 16k@235 50k@201 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151
mircea_popescu: lol is the 201 guy someone who bought at 200 and they figure THEY MUST PROFT
BingoBoingo: I have no idea
BingoBoingo: Maybe it is someone who wants to see the market go down to grab cheap ATC?
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10550 @ 0.00082258 = 8.6782 BTC [-]
fluffypony: dump, rebut in lower
fluffypony: *rebuy
jurov: nice
jurov: mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there?
jurov: but they'll prolly have negative price :(
jurov: anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins
jurov: they'll prolly need free coinbr account provided i'll sell their souls.. does anyone want them?
jurov: lol what pm i got <Vexual> ill take a 0 fee br acct
jurov: !up Vexual
Vexual: yeah about the soul..
Vexual: i'm ot sure i've got full title
jurov: markov chains did n't use to have souls
jurov: that doesn't preclude them to be sold anyway
Vexual: yeah i'll have to read up on that
Vexual: with the 10 percent...
Vexual: perhaps someone will like to buy these
Vexual: id like to be the photographer when rich b sits down with mirc p
Vexual: i call it red wine and dentures
Vexual: cat hasn't even done a vice cover yet
Vexual: alternate cover:interviewer
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06947992 = 0.6948 BTC [-] {2}
punkman: !up Vexual
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24755 @ 0.00082279 = 20.3682 BTC [+] {3}
assbot: Rick Ross - Nobody (Explicit) ft. French Montana, Puff Daddy - YouTube
assbot: Bibb Crime Files: Man accidentally shoots himself in penis
assbot: Iggy Azalea - Fancy - YouTube
assbot: BODY COUNT - Talk S**t, Get Shot (Official Music Video) - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 35 @ 0.06967197 = 2.4385 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.06987478 = 0.6987 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06999999 = 1.05 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 10250 @ 0.00082424 = 8.4485 BTC [+]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 9450 @ 0.00082424 = 7.7891 BTC [+]
kakobrekla: !up ronkrt
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 6050 @ 0.00082278 = 4.9778 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 79 @ 0.06822862 = 5.3901 BTC [-] {6}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.06738554 = 1.3477 BTC [-] {5}
assbot: The Future of Money, Part Two. : Bitcoin
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 31700 @ 0.00082201 = 26.0577 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: bl.ocks.org - mbostock
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 13 @ 0.06947638 = 0.9032 BTC [-]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 9 @ 0.0694999 = 0.6255 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 17 @ 0.06949931 = 1.1815 BTC [-] {3}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 53 @ 0.06999998 = 3.71 BTC [+] {4}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.EXCH] 29 @ 0.03847462 = 1.1158 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 13800 @ 0.00082131 = 11.3341 BTC [-] {2}
mike_c: if i understand: BitPay get acquired by Facebook. D.BPAY holders are entitled to some share of the increase in facebook market cap.
mike_c: if that is true, it doesn't make a ton of sense to me. if Facebook pays the right amount for BitPay, market cap shouldn't move. Facebook will be -$1b in cash and +$1b in value due to bitpay.
mike_c: whereas bitpay investors will get rich.
fluffypony: wait, what?
fluffypony: Facebook is buying Bitpay?
mike_c: or at least liquid, since they were already rich in value.
mike_c: fluffypony: no, this is an example.
danielpbarron: I'm gonna be at porcfest next week; what can I do for the -assets community beyond generally promoting it in conversation?
mircea_popescu: danielpbarron want a tshirt ?
danielpbarron: I ordered one from nubbins` already; is there another shirt?
mircea_popescu: nah i was gonna buy you one :)
danielpbarron: I don't expect that to arrive before I leave
mircea_popescu: well so next time
chetty: try to pay for stuff in bitcoin
mircea_popescu: or justkeep your bitcoin. either way :D
danielpbarron: i don't think i'll go to any future porcfests; i kinda regret buying the ticket for this one but i might as well use it at this point
danielpbarron: yeah i plan in selling stuff for BTC; not interested in shorting it
mircea_popescu: i never been, how they go ?
mike_c: http://porcfest.com/ hmm, i don't think this is what you're talking about.
assbot: PorcFest | The 11th Annual Porcupine Freedom Festival
danielpbarron: yeah that's it
mike_c: oh :) is the porcupine community into bitcoin?
mircea_popescu: now im getting airbnb spam
danielpbarron: i've never been either; it's gonna be teeming with what MP refers to as "libertards"
mircea_popescu: what the fuck srsly, the vc circuit is reducing to a spam&scamfest
danielpbarron: mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters
mircea_popescu: <danielpbarron> mike_c, yes; they were some of the earliest adopters << libertards srsly ?!
danielpbarron: mircea_popescu, the "free state project" participants, yes
chetty: well thats a different breed of libtards, not lefties
danielpbarron: i recall some story of ver going to visit ian from free talk live and convincing them to accept BTC for selling ad space
danielpbarron: libertards != libtards
mike_c: ok, ok. this has nothing to do with the animal.
danielpbarron: i think aantonop is going to be there, among other "well known" idiots in the "bitcoin community"
kakobrekla: coinapult is a gold sponsor of the fest
kakobrekla: wear a helmet, i guess.
HeySteve: hello
HeySteve: wondering if anyone news sites have covered F.DERP yet...
HeySteve: uh any*
kakobrekla: i doubt
mircea_popescu: HeySteve go ahead.
mircea_popescu: anyway, off to a meeting, will bbl.
HeySteve: cool
HeySteve: mircea_popescu, I'd like to speak to you about it when you're back
fluffypony: !up peterl
fluffypony: !up peterl
peterl: trying to wrap my head around what F.DERP is
peterl: does it profit from the derp companies doing good or bad?
HeySteve: a bet against "amazing companies" I guess
assbot: AMAZING COMPANY!
HeySteve: wish I'd gotten short on that wannabe pornstar guy who gambled all his investor's funds away
kakobrekla: the thing is you cant go short cause idiots are idiots.
HeySteve: kakobrekla, I believe idiocy will eventually end in failure. sure there might be an initial boom while other idiots pile in but...
punkman: HeySteve: infinite hitpoints
kakobrekla: well not infinite but over 7 billion
kakobrekla: which i guess is as good as infinite
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.0695 = 0.695 BTC [+]
punkman: kakobrekla, the idiot pool could theoretically stop replenishing itself
HeySteve: I assume BitPay and BitGo (which I haven't heard of) are the relevant companies
punkman: I wouldn't bet on it
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.07 = 0.7 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 43 @ 0.06740031 = 2.8982 BTC [-] {5}
lobbes: the more I read the logs, the more humble I become. Then I read the blogs...
assbot: Last 1 lines bashed and pending review. ( http://dpaste.com/13VVSFH.txt )
kakobrekla: did ya read the bash?
ThickAsThieves: <+mike_c> ThickAsThieves: what do you think about creating seeds.therealaltcoin.org with node seeds. /// Sure, can someone provide the landing content/file? ;;later tell me or such, I'm very behind on logs and distracted by day trading lately
mike_c: sure, it's not a web page though, it's a DNS thing
mike_c: you add a bunch of A records in the DNS for active nodes. i'll let you know.
bitcoinpete: More lulzy feedback from the litecoin article:
bitcoinpete: "your article on litecoin is one of the worst, most unresearched journalism attempts ive ever seen. Hang your head in shame"
bitcoinpete: "your use of vocab is the least impressive and your facts are skewed only to meet your own objectives."
bitcoinpete: "Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up"
bitcoinpete: dammit, thought i changed that url...
fluffypony: ThickAsThieves
assbot: Down For Everyone Or Just Me -> Check if your website is down or up?
fluffypony: I already linked to the github repo for it
bitcoinpete: asciilifeform: huh
bitcoinpete: i'm seeing the same
assbot: /bitcoinpete Im guessing u havent been involved in crypto long as anyone who needs to research adv of litecoin clearly isnt crypto clued up
Blazedout419: ;;isitdown mpex.co
bitcoinpete: i really gotta get clued up
gribble: mpex.co is down
Blazedout419: ^^ grib can checks
kakobrekla: its down
bitcoinpete: quite neat
asciilifeform: mircea_popescu: another smoking disk ?
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 100 @ 0.06504115 = 6.5041 BTC [-] {14}
kakobrekla: he is off on a meeting or smth
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 10 @ 0.062 = 0.62 BTC [-]
bitcoinpete: so penguirker re-posts when the url is changed eh
mike_c: ;;isitdown mpex.coinbr.com
gribble: mpex.coinbr.com is up
fluffypony: modern teknologies
assbot: Bitcoin Foundation Mulling Standard BTC Denominations, Bitcoin Unicode
fluffypony: bitcoinpete cut them some slack, they have to consider the long-reaching consequences of renaming "satoshis"...whatever will the altcoins think if they do?
fluffypony: bitcoinbong is still my favourite
bitcoinpete: "that coffee will be 19 bitcoinbongs, please"
bitcoinpete: "The company known for computer chips on Thursday plans to announce the availability of an app that lets people leave offbeat animated messages using smartphones. It exploits the device’s camera and microphone to capture a user’s facial movements and voice, which are used to control cartoon-like figures known as avatars in recorded sequences."
assbot: Intel Serves up Mobile-Message Avatars - Digits - WSJ
bitcoinpete: but i bet intel's rng is still good
assbot: AMD Vows 25-Fold Increase in Chip Energy-Efficiency - Digits - WSJ
bitcoinpete: which should be useful for mining and such
moiety: herro eberybady
bitcoinpete: moiety: heya
assbot: Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 5 @ 0.2259989 = 1.13 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [B.MINE] [PAID] 1.72668865 BTC to 9`245 shares, 18677 satoshi per share
moiety: !up kermit
moiety: !up alex_c
moiety: omg im so nervous thinking about BB, can't wait to hear how it all went today. i know he'll be fine but still
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16100 @ 0.00082384 = 13.2638 BTC [+]
[]bot: Bet placed: 2 BTC for No on "Spain will advance from the 2014 World Cup group stage" http://bitbet.us/bet/912/ Odds: 5(Y):95(N) by coin, 9(Y):91(N) by weight. Total bet: 3.82877738 BTC. Current weight: 39,102.
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.MPOE
pankkake: !mpif
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021674 BTC (Total: 433.49 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]
assbot: Mainstage Video: OSCON 2014 - O'Reilly Conferences, July 20 - 24, 2014, Portland, OR
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 24991 @ 0.0008251 = 20.6201 BTC [+]
assbot: Putin Advisor Proposes "Anti-Dollar Alliance" To Halt US Aggression Abroad | Zero Hedge
assbot: Regulating Digital Currencies: Bringing Bitcoin within the Reach of the IMF by Nicholas Plassaras :: SSRN
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0666 = 1.0656 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 15 @ 0.06659999 = 0.999 BTC [-] {2}
HeySteve: yeah bitstein, seems russia are a move ahead again
HeySteve: mircea_popescu I am away now but will be back in about 8 hours or so
HeySteve: cheers all
kakobrekla: good luck
BingoBoingo: moiety: went well
moiety: :D brilliant BingoBoingo! When will they get in touch?
BingoBoingo: Late next week after the other interviews.
BingoBoingo: I think I've got this one.
BingoBoingo: Only two other people get interviewed
assbot: An App That Does Nothing Except Say 'Yo' Raises One. Million. Dollars.
moiety: sorry for delay, just spilled coffee everywhere, which is really useful. only two others is even better BingoBoingo. do you think they will call? they're usually pretty good for that here
moiety: some people just make you wait on a letter which is just crap
BingoBoingo: moiety: They said they will. I think some things attractive about the job to me (odd hours, duties from four other people's jobs) are going to come out as turnoff in the other interviews.
moiety: exciting times! i think i've been more nervous than you today!
BingoBoingo: I also encountered one of asciilifeform's defective birds earlier in the day.
pankkake: ;;later tell bitcoinpete your latest post reminds me of the http://trollscience.com/ "infinite money"
assbot: Science You Wish Were True :: Troll Science
gribble: The operation succeeded.
BingoBoingo: Attacked my windshield, and then was made to comply with a standard
assbot: Honey Boo Boo is a monster: What reality TV did to the pint-size pageant queen - Salon.com
pankkake: …where the author realizes tv is fake. duh
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: birds ?
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Defective bird attacked my windshield. Unlike the bird that attacked your window... THis one could only make one attempt before being corrected by physics.
pankkake: !up aabtc
asciilifeform: helps when window moves.
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Indeed, self defending window. Only mess was some feathers and dust.
kakobrekla: !up bigtip
assbot: Simpsons - Thermodynamic 2nd Law on Vimeo
pankkake: lol /r/litecoin is bagholding so damn hard
atcbot: 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 50k@161 216k@160 500k@151
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 201 24h-Vol: 58k High: 201 Low: 200 VWAP: 200
assbot: Why does everybody lie and say that Litecoin is faster than Bitcoin? : litecoin
BingoBoingo: asciilifeform: Like with winnie the pooh do the Russians have a less jaundiced Simpsons?
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: not afaik
pankkake: they have winnie the poo?
assbot: . . HD ! - YouTube
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 16 @ 0.0666 = 1.0656 BTC [+]
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 95 @ 0.2259989 = 21.4699 BTC [-]
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 1890 @ 0.00082419 = 1.5577 BTC [-]
moiety: !up frank1e
ThickAsThieves: <+asciilifeform> 'Avarus, Inc. (“we”, “us”, “our”) was incorporated under the laws of the State of Delaware on September 20, 2010. The Company was originally organized as a “blank check” shell Company to investigate and acquire a target company or business seeking the perceived advantages of being a publicly held corporation.' << lol! /// The Havelock System
moiety: so do bits go missing from logs if assbot isn't here?
mike_c: yup
moiety: ah, thanks
FabianB: $traded
empyex: FabianB: Traded in last 24 hours: F.MPIF S.BBET S.MPOE
FabianB: aha, S.BBET during netsplit
assbot: Russia in secret plot against fracking, Nato chief says - Telegraph
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 18200 @ 0.00082513 = 15.0174 BTC [+] {2}
assbot: The Codeless Code: Case 26 The Uncorrected Monk
asciilifeform: 'Perhaps the Russians are worried about our huge wind and solar potential, and have infiltrated the UK Government.' << lol. wreckers.
benkay: wreckers?
assbot: Enemy of the people - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
benkay: myeah
benkay: thx
assbot: Bolivia's Central Bank Bans Bitcoin and All Digital Currencies
benkay: pankkake: it begins :)
benkay: argentina had a chance to do the same before the Migration
chetty: benkay, but argentina has this habit of doing different than everyone else
benkay: i wouldn't really know
benkay: haven't been around long enough or read enough
assbot: BtcAlpha.com F.MPIF Tracker estimated NAV per share: 0.00021682 BTC (Total: 433.65 BTC). Last trade for F.MPIF on MPEX was at 0.00021726 BTC [+]
thestringpuller: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.39784744 BTC; +0.37267627 BTC (+0.2179%) since last check 1d 9h 3m 49s ago.
FabianB: $depth f.mpif
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Bids: 100 @ 0.00021682 100 @ 0.00021674 100 @ 0.00021667 100 @ 0.00021664
empyex: FabianB: [F.MPIF] Asks: 444 @ 0.00021726 56 @ 0.00023900 1000 @ 0.00024000 100000 @ 0.00029000
assbot: Wikileaks Publish Secret Trade in Services Agreement (TISA) - Financial Services Annex
benkay: o hai
mircea_popescu: how goes!
benkay: NEED MOAR DEALS
mircea_popescu: "Hello, mpex.co is under ddos. To stop the attack, send 0.25 BTC to 1DNExFs45Tmfyxp3aG9k9HQ1q6euWB7Sus
mircea_popescu: It's one time payment, after which you will not hear from me again (and you are free to publish my name and email on your blog)"
benkay: monster is hungry and must be appeased
mircea_popescu: did this actually happen ?
mircea_popescu: i was out
mircea_popescu: o wait, i guess i didn't miss anything. "If you don't pay me now, tomorrow price will increase to 0.5 BTC."
asciilifeform: what kind of turdmeister asks for 1/4 btc ?!
chetty: uh isnt a ddos supposed ot make page load slow? fail
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 16350 @ 0.00082155 = 13.4323 BTC [-] {4}
FabianB: lol
mircea_popescu: ask me not.
asciilifeform: well it was dead earlier today
mike_c: chetty: he paid him ;)
chetty: right
asciilifeform: guess the hand-cranked spamatron operator grew tired
mircea_popescu: i did ?!
mircea_popescu: hand cranked spamatron lol
mircea_popescu: i can't stop imagining various hand-cranked things
mircea_popescu: battleship.
mircea_popescu: offset press
mircea_popescu: john deere corn processor
asciilifeform: fridge.
mircea_popescu: ithink fridge, phone and washing machine actulaly existed
mircea_popescu: and dildo/vibrator, prolly.
asciilifeform: laugh now
asciilifeform: cry later:
assbot: The KillCap Refrigerator | musings on entropy
asciilifeform: '...the machine I would most like to develop is a pedal powered refrigerator and possibly freezer.'
benkay: why fridges spill all the cold air out every time one opens them, i'll never understand.
mircea_popescu: so did england justget eliminated ?
asciilifeform: ('absorption' type fridge fueled with the bugger's own fat would be considerably more efficient. but for some reason he did not suggest this variant.)
asciilifeform: benkay: i once worked with laboratory (-80C) units that didn't. a pump moved the cold air to reservoir when you turned the handle. room air pumped in, door opens. reverse when close hadle.
asciilifeform: *handle
benkay: is this...sane?
asciilifeform: afaik this was to keep co2 crystals from covering everything
asciilifeform: (they still seemed to do so)
mircea_popescu: i think if they did it the other way you couldn't pass
asciilifeform: (that, and ice)
mircea_popescu: so i go to this place where i normally have an orange juice "exprimido" which means freshly pressed with a two liter bottle, asked them to fill it
mircea_popescu: girly is like... well you ok to wait a little ? we gotta send someone to buy oranges.
mircea_popescu: im more than happy to wait for real fresh juice
kakobrekla: it ends here?
kakobrekla: where is the "fuck off im outta here?"
assbot: American Apparel sacks Dov Charney as chairman and suspends him as CEO | Business | The Guardian
nubbins`: ^ i lel'd
nubbins`: the fucked part is at the end where it says blank tees retail in their shops for 30GBP
nubbins`: i mean, i know london is far from L.A.
mircea_popescu: kakobrekla i just read teh newspaper
assbot: [MPEX] [S.MPOE] 20808 @ 0.00081773 = 17.0153 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: nubbins` what'd he do anyway ?
nubbins`: just general sleaze, other execs got tired of it
nubbins`: oh and the whole losing $100m last year i guess didn't help
punkman: morning
mircea_popescu: !up publio
nubbins`: evening, punkman
publio: thanks mp
publio: since btc is being touted as a replacement for fiat, has anybody been following the btcusd:xauusd ratio?
mircea_popescu: not much
benkay: ;;ticker --currency xau
gribble: Bitstamp BTCXAU ticker | Best bid: 0.480816, Best ask: 0.480832, Bid-ask spread: 0.00002, Last trade: 0.480832, 24 hour volume: 3043.21557294, 24 hour low: 0.480832, 24 hour high: 0.487984, 24 hour vwap: 0.0
benkay: publio: ^^
publio: gold shot up $40 today, yet btc is flat
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 40 @ 0.06899998 = 2.76 BTC [+]
mircea_popescu: the relation is very slight.
nubbins`: ;;bc,xau
gribble: 1 XAU = 1319.300000000000 USD = 2.19700249792 BTC
assbot: imgur: the simple image sharer
nubbins`: "what's a zero in roman noomerels?"
benkay: oh god
punkman: lol
[]bot: Bet placed: 1.6 BTC for Yes on "Bitcoin price above $800 before July" http://bitbet.us/bet/799/ Odds: 31(Y):69(N) by coin, 30(Y):70(N) by weight. Total bet: 9.16199681 BTC. Current weight: 9,848.
nubbins`: "just draw it with corners"
benkay: roman numerals 2.3
mircea_popescu: MMXV, II0IV, same shit
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 11 @ 0.06810728 = 0.7492 BTC [-] {2}
mircea_popescu: and then i rant about how us people don't speak latin. what speak latin lol.
mircea_popescu: jurov: mircea_popescu: can i open D.BBS and short my shares there? << what'd be d.bbs ?
nubbins`: blackberry sextenger
mircea_popescu: jurov: anyway i'd be surprised if schmucks who may buy D.* have mpex or at least coinbr accounts *and* whole bitcoins <<< are you saying the claim that someone "invested" 30mn usd in bitpay are false ?
mircea_popescu: mike_c:whereas bitpay investors will get rich. << how'd you go about it ?
mike_c: well, acquisition is liquidity event for bitpay investors, but if appropriately priced would not affect acquirer's short-term market cap.
mircea_popescu: but also if appropriately priced it'd be priced at 0.
mike_c: to rephrase: buying a $1b asset does not change market cap.
mircea_popescu: anyway, reason the contracts aren't signed yet is because i wanna see what the general community thinks
mircea_popescu: buying a 1bn asset for 1bn does not change book value
mike_c: right.
mike_c: it just feels like a situation where bitpay fiat investors would clean up but d.bpay investors could lose big.
mircea_popescu: alternatively, bitpay gets sold for $50k to facebook, which moves up 25% that month
mircea_popescu: bitpay fiat investors get wiped, d.bpay make bank
mircea_popescu: there's really very little way to price fraudulent sales.
mircea_popescu: facebook can announce a 20bn buy of something worth 0 any time it pleases.
mircea_popescu: odds are it will do so.
mircea_popescu: if actual bitcoin is at stake, it doing so becomes a certainty.
mike_c: yeah.. but if the returns are not well connected to the returns fiat investors see (btc forex risk ignored) it may not have the effect you are looking for.
mircea_popescu: well, fortuntely economy is additive.
mircea_popescu: anyway, do you see a constructive solution ?
mike_c: i'm not sure i see one you will like.
mircea_popescu: let me be the judge of that lol
mike_c: well, facebook doesn't just announce a 20bn purchase. they are public, they have to record what they pay.
mike_c: so you could use that purchase price. this does get complicated with (cash + stock + incentives) though.
mircea_popescu: to some degree
mircea_popescu: but no, in general the "purchase price" is more of a pr device than an accounting device these days
mike_c: there are both, the PR and the accounting. the PR being cash + stock + incentives. but cash + stock is accounting
mike_c: of course, the stock is generally restricted..
mike_c: it's complicated. i'll ponder some more.
mike_c: in case you didn't realize, it's complicated! :D
mircea_popescu: fluffypony:
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete cut them some slack, they have to consider the long-reaching consequences of renaming "satoshis"...whatever will the altcoins think if they do? <<< course this is long ago resolved, http://trilema.com/2013/mpex-one-year-of-dividends/#identifier_4_47551
assbot: MPEx : one year of dividends pe Trilema - Un blog de Mircea Popescu.
mircea_popescu: not entirely sure why the foundation derps think anyone asked them anything on the score, but then again... it's kinda what they do, isn't it.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell pankkake lol yup, this is pretty much it http://trollscience.com/troll/view/8147
assbot: Infinite money! :: Troll Science
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: ;;later tell fluffypony doesn't this remind you of usagi? http://trollscience.com/troll/view/8117
assbot: No more expired Milk! :: Troll Science
gribble: The operation succeeded.
TheNewDeal: bc,stats
TheNewDeal: ;;bc,stats
gribble: Current Blocks: 306715 | Current Difficulty: 1.346258011452534E10 | Next Difficulty At Block: 308447 | Next Difficulty In: 1732 blocks | Next Difficulty In About: 1 week, 3 days, 19 hours, 48 minutes, and 0 seconds | Next Difficulty Estimate: 14691342334.6 | Estimated Percent Change: 9.12724
mike_c: !jd mpif
assbot: Current MPIF account balance on Just-Dice: 171.84862188 BTC; +0.45077444 BTC (+0.2630%) since last check 2h 17m 56s ago.
mike_c: whoops, somebody just dropped 60 btc on JD. there goes another startup.
bitcoinpete: looking good, TheNewDeal
TheNewDeal: for sure
bitcoinpete: fluffypony: mircea_popescu i found our term for 10'000 satoshi: satoshi's calf http://www.cockneyrhymingslang.co.uk/slang/cow_s_calf_1
assbot: Cow's calf is Cockney Rhyming Slang for 50 pence!
bitcoinpete: cow's calf is the only slang term for half a quid i could find
punkman: bitcoinpete: why don't we call it a moiety
moiety: please do! :D
bitcoinpete: punkman: that would be quite the honour
moiety: moiety means one half of a whole anyways
mircea_popescu: <mike_c> whoops, somebody just dropped 60 btc on JD. there goes another startup. << lmao
mircea_popescu: bitcoinpete i recall it was discussed here back then, FabianB came up with an azn term
mircea_popescu: guxy or something
bitcoinpete: "So let’s recognize the world has changed a bit over the last two decades and call them for what they are. These aren’t startups - and most of the upside from investing in these companies comes before they even go public, not after the fact."
assbot:  louisgray.com: The Myth of the Billion Dollar Startup
bitcoinpete: speaking of d.btgo and d.bpay
mircea_popescu: course the problem here is mpex is kinda the billion dollar start-up
mircea_popescu: or at least was, before inept management and so forth killed half its value :D
punkman: mircea_popescu: when did mpex peak?
mircea_popescu: i think when btc was 1.2k
mircea_popescu: in dollar syou mean ?
punkman: in btc
punkman: never mind ;)
mircea_popescu: in btc it sorta fought for 1 like 3 or 4 times
punkman: about this time last year
bitcoinpete: 1 guxy/moiety/satoshi's calf, that is...
assbot: S.MPOE Analysis - Btc Alpha
bitcoinpete: "I have found that being nice builds your reputation. I have found that leaving money on the table, and being generous, pays dividends." << fred wilson
assbot: Be Nice Or Leave AVC
mircea_popescu: what's avc again ?
mircea_popescu: i'd like to short that idiocy.
punkman: is a blog
mthreat: he's a VC from NYC.
assbot: Fred Wilson (fredwilson) auf Twitter
mircea_popescu: mthreat no i know who the guy is, just, avc didn't compute
mircea_popescu: but whatever, leave hius blog. i wasn't even there.
TheNewDeal: anyone know of the mpoe vwap of the entirety of 2013?
TheNewDeal: just curious
assbot: Chet Baker "Summertime" - YouTube
TheNewDeal: can't believe someone put down 1.6 on BTC above 800 before july. 5 days ago would have had twice the timweight
bitcoinpete: saw that
bitcoinpete: bizarre
assbot: Reddit asks. Reddit gets. /hashtag/sneakpeak?src=hash /hashtag/bitcoin?src=hash iOS /Apple coming soon http://t.co/pmdlO4KAyb
bitcoinpete: as is cary's pandering
TheNewDeal: even stranger. Go look at the last 2 bets on bastille day
decimation: ;;later tell Mats_cd03 I apologize for logging - I had to get some sleep for an early morning. I generally check the logs within a few days, so it's still productive to write for the record.
gribble: The operation succeeded.
bitcoinpete: TheNewDeal lol such weight
punkman: last 3 Yes bets on bastille bet are losers
decimation: re: wreckers - sounds like a good description of the environmental lobby to me. bring back RSFSR penal code article 58
TheNewDeal: wtf is going on blockchain.info
TheNewDeal: nvm must not refresh like I thought
asciilifeform: decimation: wreckers << brought up because of brits blaming russian agents for 'discounting our wonderful renewable energy potential'
bitcoinpete: off to the library...
decimation: yeah that's stupid. If I were Russia I would fund the environmentalists to protest sane solutions like nuclear fission and promote insane solutions like wind
decimation: supporting the losers who oppose the new pantheism of our elites would be dumb
asciilifeform: where do you imagine us/euro enviro-whiners came from
decimation: hehe yeah exactly. And the wreckers (kulaks, rednecks, red-staters, etc) are all the same 'round the world
benkay: <TheNewDeal> wtf is going on blockchain.info // have they gone evil yet?
TheNewDeal: haha possibly. I was just looking at the website and apparently only the first block on the top was refreshing. List read 306725 , 306719, 306718....
TheNewDeal: thought GHASH pulled a sneaky one and solved like 6 blocks in a row
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.0001 * 600
gribble: 0.06
TheNewDeal: miners fee?
thestringpuller: ;;calc 0.001 * 600
gribble: 0.6
thestringpuller: wow this site wants to use 0.001 as a miners fee
thestringpuller: that's like jurov's 0.02 withdrawal fee lol
TheNewDeal: hahahaha
asciilifeform: ;;rate Mats_cd03 1 voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user Mats_cd03 has been recorded.
assbot: Mats_cd03 +v failed; L1: 0, L2: 0
asciilifeform: !up Mats_cd03
Mats_cd03: har har
asciilifeform: ;;rate mats 1 temporary voice
gribble: Rating entry successful. Your rating of 1 for user mats has been recorded.
decimation: Did you lose your voice mats ?
Mats_cd03: i lost my gpg passphrase
Mats_cd03: much shame upon family
decimation: sucks :( I will take this as a reminder to test out my backup arrangements
Mats_cd03: in this instance, my brain was the failure mode
assbot: Moore's Law Goes To War: How Can The Department Of Defense Keep Pace With Changes In IT? | Brookings Institution
Mats_cd03: fucking academics... moore's law is dead
atcbot: 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160
BingoBoingo: !up Mats_cd03
kakobrekla: he can do that himself nao
kakobrekla: unless lost pass again.
BingoBoingo: You never know...
assbot: Intel reveals its FrankenChip ARM killer: one FPGA and one Xeon IN ONE SOCKET The Register
asciilifeform: decimation: for some years, there were fpga on the market that fit into an intel or amd cpu socket
asciilifeform: decimation: built by nallatech (nsa contractor) and a few other outfits. thus, golden toilet prices
decimation: it is interesting, but there's no word on the details, like dynamic reconfiguration
asciilifeform: but at least these were traditional fpga and one could (at least in the case of xilinx) use linux toolchain, traditional vhdl/verilog, etc
decimation: you think that won't be the case with this intel chip?
asciilifeform: in the case of the intel product, even if it is placed on open market - you'll have to wait for reverse-engineered loader
asciilifeform: (intel never once in its entire life published anything but a mockery of 'open source.' see their 'open' bios, for example.)
decimation: but... this is intel's solution to "open" arm competition. Why would they start with a proprietary toolchain?
asciilifeform: this is merely idiocy of the journalist
asciilifeform: afaik there is no mass-market arm/fpga combo ic
decimation: no, but somehow according to the journalist companies like google would prefer to buy this intel fpga/cpu rather than an arm chip
asciilifeform: (actually there may be. fpga/cpu combo is a dime a dozen - xilinx made ppc/fpga cores for ages. but a modern pc arch cpu is something rather else)
BingoBoingo: PPC's modern
decimation: I'm pretty sure altera makes an fpga with an arm core
asciilifeform: modern clock rate
decimation: probably ... in an intel fab
asciilifeform: idea is, intel fears for its life, because x86 (and all the compatibility kludges that enable 20 years of crapola to run) is doomed.
BingoBoingo: Ah, features like an MMU aren't enough anymore. Now your need the pretense of "fast"
asciilifeform: danger of sane folks moving onto linux/arm (or whatever other arch)
decimation: aside from the journalist, there is an implict admission from intel here ... "We have no idea how to organize the transistors on our chip, here - have an FPGA"
asciilifeform: so gotta keep x86/winblows relevant somehow
asciilifeform: this is a lock-in play.
decimation: well, it's already happened on the mobile world - which is the only world selling chips in large quantities
asciilifeform: intel did once propose to stuff x86 turdballs in phones - to laughter around the world
decimation: intel's afraid that google et. al. will switch to arm in the server room - leaving the x86 market to ... nobody at all
asciilifeform: well, the high end
decimation: even those xscale chips that flopped weren't x86 as I recall
asciilifeform: (where their margin is fattest)
decimation: yeah there's still the "computing" computing market that mostly uses xeons
asciilifeform: xscale was their attempt at the true microcontroller market
decimation: but I don't think intel is going to survive on xeon chips alone
asciilifeform: the only people truly married to x86 are the folks bound to microshit
asciilifeform: i think at this point this isn't really controversial
decimation: and the scientific computing market is not wed to microshit
decimation: so if there is a serious linux based alternative cpu for them -- they are gone
asciilifeform: there is a reason we have the word - 'wintel'
asciilifeform: the two are 'partners in crime'
decimation: they still might sell some low end chips to idiots who want to run word or whatever
decimation: microsoft is pretty much in the same position
decimation: there are some games and business software that they have lock-in on
decimation: but that's also looking like a pretty niche market
thestringpuller: profitable. it is good starting money asset wise
thestringpuller: video games rule
decimation: intel market cap 150B; microsoft market cap 342B
decimation: at least intel can lease fabs to third parties
asciilifeform: recall how intel helped ms to cripple os/2
asciilifeform: (secret instructions)
decimation: yeah this whole affair reminds me very much of os/2
decimation: except now microsoft is the out-of-touch monopoly with no ideas
asciilifeform: intel is ms hardware arm.
asciilifeform: has been nothing but this, since 1990 or so.
BingoBoingo: The piece of software most damaging to progress in computing in history has probably been Microsoft Office
asciilifeform: ms on the other hand is... usg department of compyooting.
decimation: yeah that's true, the only organization on earth that will voluntarily use ms is the usg
asciilifeform: only when seen in this light do the facts begin to make sense.
decimation: "you want to get paid? well, you better write your TPS reports in MS so we can give you tax dollars"
TheNewDeal: hahaha
decimation: this turns into "everyone" uses ms to transact business, we have no choice...
assbot: DOD saves $100M a year with new Microsoft licensing deal | Network World
TheNewDeal: that's like the people who clip out all the coupons and then go shopping to save money
decimation: if you total the amount of money spent on microsoft over the years, USG could have built its own secure OS and secure hardware to run it on
asciilifeform: as if this was ever a goal.
decimation: that's pretty much the mission statement of the nsa, gov't labs, et al
decimation: note that very little progress has been made
asciilifeform: usg has exactly the os it wants.
asciilifeform: and intel products are the very same ideas, incarnated as hardware.
asciilifeform: (decades of legacy crud, endless mine of 'plausibly deniable' bug, documentation that would fill an entire bookcase and - when available - in heavily censored version, etc.)
asciilifeform blows dust of volumes of intel & amd cpu manual
asciilifeform: ^ what isn't in there is considerably more interesting than what is
asciilifeform: example:
asciilifeform: the only real source of genuine documentation on intel cpu initialization is:
asciilifeform: leaked AMI bios from a few years ago.
asciilifeform: (*leaked source)
asciilifeform: very telling detail - neither intel nor amd publish microcode documentation. (intel's microcode loader is known only from the leaked ami src, afaik. amd's is public. intel crypts their patches, amd - no. both release opaque binary blobs for microcode, no docs.)
decimation: it is odd that one of the companies doesn't try to be open to get more market share
asciilifeform: intel is arm of usg. amd - produces clones at the crown's pleasure (see agreement with intel)
asciilifeform: stops playing ball - no more clone.
decimation: but it's probably the case that if you are correct - that these microcode patches may weaken usg's own infrastructure
BingoBoingo: I keep telling people an OpenSparc *nix netbook would sell
asciilifeform: usg is not interested in securing own infrastructure in this sense.
assbot: Loper OS » A Country of Which Nothing is Known but the Name.
decimation: I need to read Eco's book, I've seen it mentioned in many places
asciilifeform: first rule of usg comsec - secure machine must not come to exist, the wrong folks might use it.
asciilifeform: kbg followed same rule, with soviet 'gost' cipher scheme
asciilifeform: note the observation about how no known u.s. military crypto gizmo allows generation of keys by the operator. ever.
asciilifeform: all keys come from the continent.
asciilifeform: (no prizes for guessing why)
asciilifeform: usg concept of seekoority -> controlled porosity.
assbot: Mulling Iraq options: Begin by telling me which of these groups you want to bomb
asciilifeform: because 'sane machine for me but not for thee' doesn't work - can't guarantee future loyalty of the folks you issue the hardware to.
decimation: yeah that's an interesting theory
decimation: plenty of hard drives have aes "built-in", supposedly
assbot: Stonewood's Eclypt Drive: the AES-256 Data Fortress
thestringpuller: ;;gettrust gigavps
gribble: WARNING: Currently not authenticated. Trust relationship from user thestringpuller to user gigavps: Level 1: 0, Level 2: -5 via 3 connections. Graph: http://b-otc.com/stg?source=thestringpuller&dest=gigavps | WoT data: http://b-otc.com/vrd?nick=gigavps | Rated since: Fri Nov 11 14:47:27 2011
atcbot: 35k@250 52k@240 16k@235 | 750k@175 50k@161 216k@160
atcbot: [ATC Diff] Current Diff: 715369.85 Est. Next Diff: 434630.21 in 476 blocks (#36288) Est. % Change: -39.24
BingoBoingo: %ticker
atcbot: [X-BT] Bid: 175 Ask: 235 Last Price: 235 24h-Vol: 58k High: 235 Low: 200 VWAP: 200
BingoBoingo: ;;ticker
gribble: Bitstamp BTCUSD ticker | Best bid: 592.52, Best ask: 594.0, Bid-ask spread: 1.48000, Last trade: 594.0, 24 hour volume: 5350.24576182, 24 hour low: 589.01, 24 hour high: 609.98, 24 hour vwap: 0
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21000006 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}
BingoBoingo: ;;lasers
gribble: ┌━ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ ┄ *pew!* *pew!* *pew!*
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [PETA] 20 @ 0.0670001 = 1.34 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: [HAVELOCK] [AM1] 3 @ 0.21 = 0.63 BTC [-] {2}
assbot: The Man Behind the Web's Most Controversial Video Site
moiety: i didn't even know this site existed
BingoBoingo: moiety: All of the most interesting videos are on World sStar Hip Hop.
moiety: BingoBoingo: including "the killing of 16-year-old Chicago student Derrion Albert in 2009" < also didn't know that was allowed
BingoBoingo: moiety: It's pretty much certain parts of urban black 'Murica unedited
BingoBoingo: Scares the hell out of white 'Murica
moiety: most things do
BingoBoingo: You know what's fucked up, Pedestrians in Google street view
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: now mostly censored.
BingoBoingo: Not in this neighborhood I'm browsing for apartments
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: google almost certainly has a sizeable squad devoted solely to this.
asciilifeform: if you link it here - i'd bet it will vanish within the year.
BingoBoingo: Well, turns out at the right angle face is blurred
assbot: Google Maps
asciilifeform: BingoBoingo: what is interesting in this picture ?
BingoBoingo: From that position Due East there is a girl. From this angle face is blured. Try noving North or South... No bluring
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